Once again, the Great Simplification must be commended for its perpetual kaleidoscopic array of guests! Nate Hagens and his crew never cease to amaze me. The mere intent of this podcast warms my ancient heart like few other things can.
@tuckerbugeater I respect what frog has to say but I see "them" post way too much on every single video so I always post this to see if "they" will ever reply but they never do. And it's always some long winded speech like this one here. Some people need to realize they aren't that important is my point.
Thank you so much, Nate, for this amazing interview. At the suggestion of a friend/colleague, I had just read her life changing book. This friend and I are now planning a workshop based on her work for the university community where we work in Mi'kma'ki (Nova Scotia, Canada)
Vanessa, I can't express how you've impacted me. I'm accustomed to loving Nate's guests, but you are relatable in a spooky way. Your every word echoes with clarity. I needed this. Many thanks. 🙏🏽
OMG, this woman is brilliant! Leave it to the holistic deep feminine perspective to perceive the way forward. This is exactly what I have found myself saying to myself and others: Stop! Stop running around in your head in a panic to "fix the problem." Slow down. Breathe. Be present. Rest. Quietly - look around. Allow the whole to find its own way of manifesting within its polarities. All of our troubles have arisen from our unconscious hubris... From our failure to listen to and work in harmony with Nature's laws. We've already blown it -- what's broken was already broken long ago. Therefore stop now. Let go of attachment to the narratives that define the current systems and listen to what's been whispering all along in the ear of your intuition. Let Nature show you her ways of fulfilling the needs of her organisms and their communities; let her teach you how to work in harmony with her, so all may thrive. Mankind talks about holism as a new way of framing reality, but mankind has yet to even begin to grasp the meaning and implications of what holism actually is. This is the first step.
wow. this one was fantastic and inspiring on so many dimensions. Vanessa really tied together many of the other ideas that have been explored on this cast. Thank you so much Vanessa and Nate for this one. I am so excited to share this with community and instigate conversations around these principles.
I am so pleased, Nate, that you are featuring Vanessa and the GTDF collective's work. It has been the most impactful work on my personal and professional journey.
Wow...What an incredible body of work Vanessa has woven into being...I will be watching this again as I want to commit these principles and explanations to memory...Thank you both for this mind altering conversation...I will not say I have hope for the future, but I will definitely be more open to the invisible after having watched this...💙
Two of my favourite thinkers, in conversation. This is brilliant. Will be finding a way to play at least some of this in my grad/undergrad course on Building Community Resilience (CHL5125/GGR434). Thank you Nate and Vanessa for the tireless work you do in support of transformative wake-up.
I'm only 6mins in and I love this woman, Vanessa Andreotti, and the facts that she is talking about. . . "" Responsibility as restraint " what a wonderful way to start the rehabilitation of humanity.
This book changed my life. Right now, education is fueling the challenges that we have. I love the idea of education as something that addresses denials that we all keep. But man, that is an existential idea for educators who are trained and assess their value on addressing ignorance.
Solid! I got her book thanks to you. Collective is key. An AA for humanity is exactly right. Next up train some facilitators, artists, creators. There isn't a magic wand. Keep moving.
Too much lately have we been exposed to the insanity of humanity... This interview does wonders to let us know that there are still many people out there who haven't drunk the cool aid... Many thx for this interview.
This was definitely the most upbeat and convincingly optimistic approach to the metacrisis that I have heard. Vanessa was a pleasure to listen to. A second listen might allow it's contents to permeate and perhaps penetrate the scar tissue around my soul caused from gazing into the abyss. It would be nice to delight in possibility again, but human behaviour is the confounding variable in the calculation. What can we do? What will we do? What have we always done and why?
Great conversation. Vanessa is so human, relatable, friendly, accessible, not what you generally a faculty dean associate with. 😊 I found her scepticism towards oxytocin effects a bit over the top. OXT is not primarily a hormone of „infantilization“, of „wishing oneself back to the womb“. The lack of OXT through civilisational stress, early parental separation, lack of breastfeeding, interrupted attachment bonds is supposedly at the root of many civilisation disorders like impaired attention span, emotional dysregulation, empathy deficits, narcissistic tendencies and others. Genetics, epigenetics and the concert of other neurotransmitters play their part but OXT certainly lays the foundation for a functional LHPA axis that we require for everything Vanessa is aspiring to.
I came to think about hospicing modernity as easing our current social system peacefully to its inevitable demise. While also caring for its ails long enough for the embryo of a whole new way in its womb to be be born intact. Ready to smoothly take its place as the old way fades. To bend, not break.
Understanding that there's a metabolic process and balance is essential. Death and disease are as essential as life and health to achieving the metabolic balance. Howard Stern, Hitler, Buddha and Gandhi are essential ingredients to the balance. Digesting, vomiting, and cancers are part of the metabolic balance. Wisdom is to understand this and flow with it - not as a dead log, but as fish or a sail boat who understands the currents. Dogma is useful as a means of creating temporary coherence and it will ravel and unravel as the metabolic balance sees fit. Even wisdom will experience the same ebb and flow.
“You have to be producing value in order to be worthy of being alive.” I believe the increasing depression and anxiety in children and youth in the U.S. is in large part due to them intuiting that the system does not have a place for them to contribute to “the house,” so they feel worthless.
there is no way to truly grasp the complexity and vastness of the situation, these metaphors and allegories are an important step in understanding what we want to change, especially before we do more damage with our ignorance
@@marentropy thank you, this is an important perspective. I wouldn't say there's absolutely no way, because we still do try in various forms, and metaphors are one form that can be very effective for some people.
For me this conversation was more than metaphorical ideas… Multifaceted tasks and ways will be to unpack, cultivate, practice, embody and educate in these four keys for regeneration she named: Emotional Sobriety Relational Maturity Intellectual Discernment Intergenerational Responsibility These point to essential, pragmatic and deeply meaningful calls and ways.
What we are going through societally and ecologically is a lot like a phase transition in physics. Before and after the phase transition is a totally different regime, with different rules and properties etc... It's hard to plan for a world we have no idea how it will look like... that's why all contempory politics are kinda useless at the moment, no one has any real idea of what kind of world we can and should be working towards. So yes, we will probably have to wait untill the water reaches our bums to have a clearer idea.
You can also describe this with Thomas Kuhn‘s term „paradigm change“. What we approach is certainly „meta paradigm change“ as this will be the only adequate approach to the meta crisis.
@@achenarmyst2156 "meta paradigm change" ok.... But what does the average Joe do in everyday practice?... This is when all the authorities and experts on this subject get quiet. I propose that people become as debt-free as possible. This is something practical that can be done after hearing all the erudite explanations.
@@daytime12 Becoming debt free appears an insurmountable problem for many. And public policies concerning debt are certainly not helpful in this regard. And btw. „until we have to“, we had to yesterday…
@@achenarmyst2156 just look at your last comments. In the words of Homer Simpson "Thats Looser Talk!!!" achenarmyst2156...Where is your Courage!!...your intellect...your never say die attitude!!. I am looking for practical things I can do to help the situation, not a achenarmyst2156 Milk Toast response. I'll give you something else we can All do. That is... Cultivate A Spirit Of Service to Humanity. Any one reading this? If you are engaged in a competition you wish to Win??...Don't choose as a teammate achensrmyst2156.
50:04 Tryptamines like DMT, Psilocybin, LSD etc. are psychoactive because their chemical structure is almost identical to Serotonin Edit: You even mentionend Ayahuasca (DMT + MAO - inhibitor to allow oral consumption) at the end, but as she also said there is no instant enlightenment and the hardest part to go beyond oceanic feeligs and beyond personal healing may be to get to a point where you can let go of any personal goal orientation first
That‘s why our sixth sense, intuition or gut feeling is so important. It requires good nourishing of our developing right hemisphere especially in our first three years. Attachment rulez!
Nate & team: Does anyone have the correct attribution for that Krishnamurrhi quote on "to be is to be related"? I'd like to use it, but I'm not coming up with any search results for it at all. Not word for word, not stated generally, not with Krishnamurthi's name attached. (Disappointed!😉) It's a nice quote, but I don't want to put it out there with Krishnamurthi's name attached if it's just another stick-on-a-convenient-spiritual-name attribution. There's way too much of that in circulation as it is. Thx!
I can't help thinking of the resources and thousands of dollars that were spent to sent Andreotti and her team to work with indigenous people in a remote area, only to hear them say the total obvious - that which all spiritual traditions have been saying for millennia: "we need to trust the Invisible to make the impossible possible." And in typical academic arrogance, she and her team term this concept "spiritual bypassing." The best interview on this channel has been with Iain McGilchrist. If we take his insights seriously, we will know what needs to be done.
- 49:50 '... moving together in a foggy road ...' it is hard to move together when lots of people you move with are trying to create even more fog than it was before. - 54:10 '... relating to a mystery of existence ...' mystery implies a mist in your poetic realm, inability to see clearly. We should not excessively romanticize mystery, otherwise we'll end up lost in a fog sitting in a ditch. - 50:01 'serotonin, metaforically ...' you can't use serotonin metaphorically, it will make you an easy victim in any reasonable conversation. If we want to speak metaphorically - we should use poetical language and not a scientific one. You can play a basketball using rules of soccer, but it will likely not end well, it will be a shitshow and you'll be on a losing side. - 50:45 'to have a serotogenic process that allows us to compost the shit ...' it will only allow you to see some scary parts of yourself and others, maybe, or it may make you delusional by believing that people in the circle you're sitting with are your friends or that shamans will keep supporting you after you'll stop paying them, or into an infinite wisdom of plants or some nonsense like that. Maybe it may help you to not throw in a towel for some time, but you'll likely be exploited because of all that wishful thinking foam that you've whipped. Therapists will charge you arm and leg for life advices that your family and friends should have given you in order for you to thrive. Thanks code there are people sharing their wisdom over the internet for almost free, but its quite often a mixed bag and very easy to get lost. - 52:02 'umbilical cord with the center of the metabolism of the earth, and that umbilical cord is in the gut and it serves us as an antennae ...' there is no point in keep commenting after that. Misapropriation of poetic language while discussing serious issues and generating shitload of fog sounds disappointing. Aren't we have enough of that nonsense fog already so that we can't see our future clearly? Indiginous people lost their wars to western civilization exactly because their model of the physical world was too foggy and disconnected from how it works. Calling those lessons 'shit' paints you as a person who is not able to learn from that wisdom and suffering of billions of people lived before. Problems you're trying to address are legit, but plagued by black and white thinking that modernity is somehow sick. There are many modern people who are not and there are much more who are. It is not helpful to engage in fear-mongering virtue-signalling game that schmachtenberger and alike are playing. There are more real problems that have to be addressed, for example: systematic humiliation of people at workplaces, dog-eats-dog environments and toxic competitive practices that misapplied left and right, bullshit jobs, isolation caused by fear-mongering and delusional wishful thinking, lack of social skills induced by structures of power and extractive economies in order to control half-aware sleeping victims.
Anytime we say that this or that thing needs to done first we take all of the agency we have to start moving the needle now and push it all into the future when conditions will be better. The problem with this approach is that future conditions may well be worse, and we end up embracing inaction in favor of action.
@@christopherharrison2987 There is either a fine line or a wide, shady gray zone between leaping before looking and paralysis by analysis. Your view represents a false dichotomy.
@@robinschaufler444 please re-read the initial exchange, because I think you’re projecting something onto it that wasn’t there. This isn’t a question about whether an individual gets paralyzed by analysis vs taking some kind of action. It’s about when an individual places some kind of massive centralized reform or correction as a condition on whether or not we can do something, individually or in small groups. In a world where so much feels like it’s going off the rails there are countless opportunities to step up and do something that positively impacts your neighborhood or community no matter how small or meaningless. We should never let the deck being stacked against us discourage anything we can actively do in the here and now to move the needle just a little bit. Because that’s literally how every single social movement starts.
Further, colonialism should be curtailed. Recognizing the harms of the past, but also acknowledging that the human has been colonizing since the beginning of time. My Scandinavian and Germanic ancestors were likely some of the biggest, until the Romans colonized them. Focusing on the 7 deadly sins may hold some key to redirect this. How do we control: pride greed wrath envy lust gluttony sloth?
Maybe the super organism is only a ball of cells, it hasn't yet fractalised out into a healthy branching pattern, maybe the DNA of the super organism is wrong, and we could genetically engineer it from tumour to organism. As above so below, but also as below, so above
@23.30 and the outcomes not being what the goal was, in the 1800's the enlightenment period that was in Europe meant the end of slavery, but those people get blamed for it the most. For any change to happen it must be the bourgeois, us, that must change first. The only great changes happened when they did.
Right, just like in the movie Avatar. I don't know if they had a ceremony, but they said their little prayer, after killing an animal of some kind, and then got on with their business.
I think that transferred on to giving thanks before each meal and once taken by religion and people moving away from that the practice of thanks alone has suffered.
Once again, the Great Simplification must be commended for its perpetual kaleidoscopic array of guests! Nate Hagens and his crew never cease to amaze me. The mere intent of this podcast warms my ancient heart like few other things can.
Well said!
You're a good frog, ya know that?
@@j85grim4 This isn't a joke right? Listen to how they dehumanize us and compare us to💩
@tuckerbugeater I respect what frog has to say but I see "them" post way too much on every single video so I always post this to see if "they" will ever reply but they never do. And it's always some long winded speech like this one here. Some people need to realize they aren't that important is my point.
Vanessa is thinking deeply and collaborating deeply and also getting the word out in a powerful way. Truly amazing interview.
I think Vanessa Andreotti is brilliant.
Thank you so much, Nate, for this amazing interview. At the suggestion of a friend/colleague, I had just read her life changing book. This friend and I are now planning a workshop based on her work for the university community where we work in Mi'kma'ki (Nova Scotia, Canada)
Vanessa, I can't express how you've impacted me. I'm accustomed to loving Nate's guests, but you are relatable in a spooky way. Your every word echoes with clarity. I needed this. Many thanks. 🙏🏽
OMG, this woman is brilliant! Leave it to the holistic deep feminine perspective to perceive the way forward. This is exactly what I have found myself saying to myself and others: Stop! Stop running around in your head in a panic to "fix the problem." Slow down. Breathe. Be present. Rest. Quietly - look around. Allow the whole to find its own way of manifesting within its polarities. All of our troubles have arisen from our unconscious hubris... From our failure to listen to and work in harmony with Nature's laws. We've already blown it -- what's broken was already broken long ago. Therefore stop now. Let go of attachment to the narratives that define the current systems and listen to what's been whispering all along in the ear of your intuition. Let Nature show you her ways of fulfilling the needs of her organisms and their communities; let her teach you how to work in harmony with her, so all may thrive.
Mankind talks about holism as a new way of framing reality, but mankind has yet to even begin to grasp the meaning and implications of what holism actually is. This is the first step.
Exactly, there is no "fix" to a predicament - only to be in relationship with it.
Wholeheartedly agree!
Stunningly relevant.
wow. this one was fantastic and inspiring on so many dimensions. Vanessa really tied together many of the other ideas that have been explored on this cast. Thank you so much Vanessa and Nate for this one. I am so excited to share this with community and instigate conversations around these principles.
I am so pleased, Nate, that you are featuring Vanessa and the GTDF collective's work. It has been the most impactful work on my personal and professional journey.
"Working on the belly of the beast", "Learning to trust the invisible, to make the impossible possible". She's great. Thank you, Nate.
Wow...What an incredible body of work Vanessa has woven into being...I will be watching this again as I want to commit these principles and explanations to memory...Thank you both for this mind altering conversation...I will not say I have hope for the future, but I will definitely be more open to the invisible after having watched this...💙
I'm only 20 minutes in and I am completely blown away. The answer is staring us right in the face
Two of my favourite thinkers, in conversation. This is brilliant. Will be finding a way to play at least some of this in my grad/undergrad course on Building Community Resilience (CHL5125/GGR434). Thank you Nate and Vanessa for the tireless work you do in support of transformative wake-up.
I'm only 6mins in and I love this woman, Vanessa Andreotti, and the facts that she is talking about. . .
"" Responsibility as restraint " what a wonderful way to start the rehabilitation of humanity.
Vanessa is truly incredible
Everyone needs to listen to this episode
What a beautiful interview. Thank you!
“De-fracking ourselves” instead of reductionism. So powerful!
This book changed my life. Right now, education is fueling the challenges that we have. I love the idea of education as something that addresses denials that we all keep. But man, that is an existential idea for educators who are trained and assess their value on addressing ignorance.
Good evening Nate and Vanessa
Super relatable.
Beautiful shared conversation.
Truly grateful.
💜
I bow to the sacredness of this dialog. The meta perspective is the only way out of the death cult the collective is mesmerized by.♾️🙏
There is nothing more urgent and important than this podcast.
Wow, such amaing wisdom. Ill be watching multiple times this and sharing it :)
Solid! I got her book thanks to you. Collective is key. An AA for humanity is exactly right. Next up train some facilitators, artists, creators. There isn't a magic wand. Keep moving.
Thank you for explaining everything so well 🌌
Profound communication of the issues. Wow, for her expose of education.
Too much lately have we been exposed to the insanity of humanity... This interview does wonders to let us know that there are still many people out there who haven't drunk the cool aid... Many thx for this interview.
Amazing. Its been a really long time since I felt pride of being Brazilian.
This was definitely the most upbeat and convincingly optimistic approach to the metacrisis that I have heard. Vanessa was a pleasure to listen to. A second listen might allow it's contents to permeate and perhaps penetrate the scar tissue around my soul caused from gazing into the abyss. It would be nice to delight in possibility again, but human behaviour is the confounding variable in the calculation. What can we do? What will we do? What have we always done and why?
Well said.
Great conversation. Vanessa is so human, relatable, friendly, accessible, not what you generally a faculty dean associate with. 😊
I found her scepticism towards oxytocin effects a bit over the top. OXT is not primarily a hormone of „infantilization“, of „wishing oneself back to the womb“.
The lack of OXT through civilisational stress, early parental separation, lack of breastfeeding, interrupted attachment bonds is supposedly at the root of many civilisation disorders like impaired attention span, emotional dysregulation, empathy deficits, narcissistic tendencies and others.
Genetics, epigenetics and the concert of other neurotransmitters play their part but OXT certainly lays the foundation for a functional LHPA axis that we require for everything Vanessa is aspiring to.
I completely agree…very good discussion, thank you !
This was once again tremendous; right at the end, the words of "going back to womb" brought me to immediate tears, it is just so powerful.
I came to think about hospicing modernity as easing our current social system peacefully to its inevitable demise. While also caring for its ails long enough for the embryo of a whole new way in its womb to be be born intact. Ready to smoothly take its place as the old way fades. To bend, not break.
Understanding that there's a metabolic process and balance is essential. Death and disease are as essential as life and health to achieving the metabolic balance. Howard Stern, Hitler, Buddha and Gandhi are essential ingredients to the balance. Digesting, vomiting, and cancers are part of the metabolic balance. Wisdom is to understand this and flow with it - not as a dead log, but as fish or a sail boat who understands the currents. Dogma is useful as a means of creating temporary coherence and it will ravel and unravel as the metabolic balance sees fit. Even wisdom will experience the same ebb and flow.
“You have to be producing value in order to be worthy of being alive.” I believe the increasing depression and anxiety in children and youth in the U.S. is in large part due to them intuiting that the system does not have a place for them to contribute to “the house,” so they feel worthless.
I think it's useful to make these metaphors and allegories, but at some point we have to start discussing pragmatic details and make tangible plans.
Certainly. But getting a feeling for the superorganism or the dragon comes first.
there is no way to truly grasp the complexity and vastness of the situation, these metaphors and allegories are an important step in understanding what we want to change, especially before we do more damage with our ignorance
@@marentropy thank you, this is an important perspective.
I wouldn't say there's absolutely no way, because we still do try in various forms, and metaphors are one form that can be very effective for some people.
For me this conversation was more than metaphorical ideas…
Multifaceted tasks and ways will be to unpack, cultivate, practice, embody and educate in these four keys for regeneration she named:
Emotional Sobriety
Relational Maturity
Intellectual Discernment
Intergenerational Responsibility
These point to essential, pragmatic and deeply meaningful calls and ways.
Wow!
I am liking this for the title alone! Watching now....
Thank you very very very much 😢❤❤❤
If you look up "vibrant personality" there is a picture of her, 10 minutes in i like this guest a lot already
Fantastic podcast. This, and the last discussion on the Indic mind were super super helpful, keep them coming!
What we are going through societally and ecologically is a lot like a phase transition in physics. Before and after the phase transition is a totally different regime, with different rules and properties etc...
It's hard to plan for a world we have no idea how it will look like... that's why all contempory politics are kinda useless at the moment, no one has any real idea of what kind of world we can and should be working towards.
So yes, we will probably have to wait untill the water reaches our bums to have a clearer idea.
I am convinced that we are not going to do anything until we have to.
You can also describe this with Thomas Kuhn‘s term „paradigm change“. What we approach is certainly „meta paradigm change“ as this will be the only adequate approach to the meta crisis.
@@achenarmyst2156 "meta paradigm change" ok.... But what does the average Joe do in everyday practice?... This is when all the authorities and experts on this subject get quiet. I propose that people become as debt-free as possible. This is something practical that can be done after hearing all the erudite explanations.
@@daytime12 Becoming debt free appears an insurmountable problem for many. And public policies concerning debt are certainly not helpful in this regard.
And btw. „until we have to“, we had to yesterday…
@@achenarmyst2156 just look at your last comments. In the words of Homer Simpson "Thats Looser Talk!!!" achenarmyst2156...Where is your Courage!!...your intellect...your never say die attitude!!. I am looking for practical things I can do to help the situation, not a achenarmyst2156 Milk Toast response. I'll give you something else we can All do. That is... Cultivate A Spirit Of Service to Humanity. Any one reading this? If you are engaged in a competition you wish to Win??...Don't choose as a teammate achensrmyst2156.
50:04 Tryptamines like DMT, Psilocybin, LSD etc. are psychoactive because their chemical structure is almost identical to Serotonin
Edit: You even mentionend Ayahuasca (DMT + MAO - inhibitor to allow oral consumption) at the end, but as she also said there is no instant enlightenment and the hardest part to go beyond oceanic feeligs and beyond personal healing may be to get to a point where you can let go of any personal goal orientation first
Helen Keller said to NYC symphony hall that it was the 5 senses that are getting in the way of where we have to go.
Helen wrote a letter actually. I remember it had beauty inside. Like the show. I Dig it.
That‘s why our sixth sense, intuition or gut feeling is so important. It requires good nourishing of our developing right hemisphere especially in our first three years. Attachment rulez!
Nate & team: Does anyone have the correct attribution for that Krishnamurrhi quote on "to be is to be related"? I'd like to use it, but I'm not coming up with any search results for it at all. Not word for word, not stated generally, not with Krishnamurthi's name attached. (Disappointed!😉) It's a nice quote, but I don't want to put it out there with Krishnamurthi's name attached if it's just another stick-on-a-convenient-spiritual-name attribution. There's way too much of that in circulation as it is. Thx!
Ms Brain, im not sure. Try here: www.jkrishnamurti.org/content/what-right-relationship
This is a very Jungian approach to integrating darkness in order to become whole and more authentic, gotta kick the darkness till it bleeds daylight
I can't help thinking of the resources and thousands of dollars that were spent to sent Andreotti and her team to work with indigenous people in a remote area, only to hear them say the total obvious - that which all spiritual traditions have been saying for millennia: "we need to trust the Invisible to make the impossible possible." And in typical academic arrogance, she and her team term this concept "spiritual bypassing." The best interview on this channel has been with Iain McGilchrist. If we take his insights seriously, we will know what needs to be done.
- 49:50 '... moving together in a foggy road ...'
it is hard to move together when lots of people you move with are trying to create even more fog than it was before.
- 54:10 '... relating to a mystery of existence ...'
mystery implies a mist in your poetic realm, inability to see clearly. We should not excessively romanticize mystery, otherwise we'll end up lost in a fog sitting in a ditch.
- 50:01 'serotonin, metaforically ...'
you can't use serotonin metaphorically, it will make you an easy victim in any reasonable conversation. If we want to speak metaphorically - we should use poetical language and not a scientific one. You can play a basketball using rules of soccer, but it will likely not end well, it will be a shitshow and you'll be on a losing side.
- 50:45 'to have a serotogenic process that allows us to compost the shit ...'
it will only allow you to see some scary parts of yourself and others, maybe, or it may make you delusional by believing that people in the circle you're sitting with are your friends or that shamans will keep supporting you after you'll stop paying them, or into an infinite wisdom of plants or some nonsense like that. Maybe it may help you to not throw in a towel for some time, but you'll likely be exploited because of all that wishful thinking foam that you've whipped. Therapists will charge you arm and leg for life advices that your family and friends should have given you in order for you to thrive. Thanks code there are people sharing their wisdom over the internet for almost free, but its quite often a mixed bag and very easy to get lost.
- 52:02 'umbilical cord with the center of the metabolism of the earth, and that umbilical cord is in the gut and it serves us as an antennae ...' there is no point in keep commenting after that. Misapropriation of poetic language while discussing serious issues and generating shitload of fog sounds disappointing. Aren't we have enough of that nonsense fog already so that we can't see our future clearly? Indiginous people lost their wars to western civilization exactly because their model of the physical world was too foggy and disconnected from how it works. Calling those lessons 'shit' paints you as a person who is not able to learn from that wisdom and suffering of billions of people lived before.
Problems you're trying to address are legit, but plagued by black and white thinking that modernity is somehow sick. There are many modern people who are not and there are much more who are. It is not helpful to engage in fear-mongering virtue-signalling game that schmachtenberger and alike are playing. There are more real problems that have to be addressed, for example: systematic humiliation of people at workplaces, dog-eats-dog environments and toxic competitive practices that misapplied left and right, bullshit jobs, isolation caused by fear-mongering and delusional wishful thinking, lack of social skills induced by structures of power and extractive economies in order to control half-aware sleeping victims.
Education needs reform first!
It might reform itself when there are no more B.S. jobs left to apply for.
Anytime we say that this or that thing needs to done first we take all of the agency we have to start moving the needle now and push it all into the future when conditions will be better. The problem with this approach is that future conditions may well be worse, and we end up embracing inaction in favor of action.
@@christopherharrison2987 good point!
@@christopherharrison2987 There is either a fine line or a wide, shady gray zone between leaping before looking and paralysis by analysis. Your view represents a false dichotomy.
@@robinschaufler444 please re-read the initial exchange, because I think you’re projecting something onto it that wasn’t there. This isn’t a question about whether an individual gets paralyzed by analysis vs taking some kind of action. It’s about when an individual places some kind of massive centralized reform or correction as a condition on whether or not we can do something, individually or in small groups.
In a world where so much feels like it’s going off the rails there are countless opportunities to step up and do something that positively impacts your neighborhood or community no matter how small or meaningless. We should never let the deck being stacked against us discourage anything we can actively do in the here and now to move the needle just a little bit. Because that’s literally how every single social movement starts.
"The warmth of the dragon with the dragon's consent could be put to good use. The dragon is part of the ecology."
1:25:58 I hope doggo is having the best dreams.
Her size dog produces about a ton of CO2 per year. Western style pets contribute to the meta crisis. Just sayin…
Processing the sh*t of the dying to avoid choking the ingestation. Wow, that is profound.
You can't swim until the water is up to your bum. So true. I wish I could hear the profanity in the Portuguese. Profanity seems fitting for the idea.
Further, colonialism should be curtailed.
Recognizing the harms of the past, but also acknowledging that the human has been colonizing since the beginning of time.
My Scandinavian and Germanic ancestors were likely some of the biggest, until the Romans colonized them.
Focusing on the 7 deadly sins may hold some key to redirect this. How do we control:
pride
greed
wrath
envy
lust
gluttony
sloth?
We all need to become Bilbo Baggins in order to gingerly approach the dragon of modernity and let the dragon take itself down
Maybe the super organism is only a ball of cells, it hasn't yet fractalised out into a healthy branching pattern, maybe the DNA of the super organism is wrong, and we could genetically engineer it from tumour to organism. As above so below, but also as below, so above
@23.30 and the outcomes not being what the goal was, in the 1800's the enlightenment period that was in Europe meant the end of slavery, but those people get blamed for it the most.
For any change to happen it must be the bourgeois, us, that must change first. The only great changes happened when they did.
Per Joseph Campbell life lives on death. At one time hunters would have a ceremony after the killl thanking the animal for its sacrifice.
Right, just like in the movie Avatar. I don't know if they had a ceremony, but they said their little prayer, after killing an animal of some kind, and then got on with their business.
I think that transferred on to giving thanks before each meal and once taken by religion and people moving away from that the practice of thanks alone has suffered.
Did she use the phrase "Batshit"??? if she did well done!!!
To succeed in the real world, pretty much do the opposite of everything she advises.
I knew this would be awful when she gave a land acknowledgement at the beginning and it only went downhill from there. This is why I hate academics.
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