Exciting, it's crazy we get a sneak peak of the system before it's done. I like how the Azure tower on Scott and the Metropole (I like to call the tower of Baradur) are rendered faithfully.
I too enjoyed seeing quite a few recognizable landmarks and buildings while operating the simulator. While it isn’t 100% accurate for the scenery and cityscape, it’s close enough to feel like Ottawa and be believable.
A more perfect simulation would have the train shudder 6 times as it comes to a stop and scream like a banshee around even the smoothest and gentlest curves.
Yes - I believe at peak times of day, this will be a transfer where you simply cross to the other side of the centre platform; that's why Lincoln Fields has 3 tracks.
For most parts of the day, it will serve where it did along the centre platform. However the plan is for peak periods, late night and weekends for it to operate as a shuttle only between Lincoln Fields and Moodie, in which it would stop and serve the platform further to the right only. In other words, it will serve both the platform it did in the video, and the one further to the right... it will all depend on the time of day and day of week.
@@RailFansCanadaare you saying the train won't alternate between tracks and be continuous to Queensview, pinecrest, etc? Is there an explanation of this configuration on OC Transpo website?
@@Pass3Part0ut Most of time time during the day, it will run from the East and both lines go through Lincoln Fields and continue to Algonquin and Moodie. Late night and weekends, they plan to run the Moodie branch only between Lincoln Fields. Otherwise to run both branches the whole way would mean twice as long wait for a train going to Moodie or Algonquin. To keep the frequency the same at those lower demand periods, if they both served the entire lines, they would need twice as many trains on the track, whereas this way people continuing to Moodie would just switch at Lincoln Fields by crossing the platform. Again, this will only happen late night, so probably later than 10pm and on weekends.
@@RailFansCanada they mentioned during peak times too, so during rush hour? They should have just kept Queensway station and split the lines there if the idea wasn't to keep people on the trains.
@@Pass3Part0ut maybe I'm getting the details a bit confused, but you can read this article here on our site in which Pat Scrimgeour had outlined how the lines would work. www.railfans.ca/news/stage-2-lrt-service-patterns-for-o-train-lines-1-3
Any idea if the simulator is running on commercial PC train simulator software or whether this is software purpose built for train operator training simulators? I know it's not as graphically impressive as Train Sim World 4 but I actually find the more stylized look of this sim appealing in its own way.
A proper simulator recreates the real train driver cabin perfectly not just for buttons and screens but also software. Big difference is that all the external imputs (track sensors, and radio comms with CBTC system come via cable from the simulator control room). Remember that in the control room, they can trigger all sort of faults, peopke jumping on tracks, power failures and train blocked ahead ete etc. What RFC got was an easy ride with no other trains and no defects, and no Godzilla appearing out of nowhere 🙂
Really hoping this western extension goes online in my lifetime without the headaches of the current Line 1. Stopped taking OC Transpo because it just wasn’t reliable even though I on purposefully bought a house near the western terminus to be able to rely on transit for work. But even when I lived near Tunney’s it wasn’t reliable. I remember the BRT system we used to have, and it was a dream of a system! Could get to work and around the city on time. The LRT really made things worse. I get growing pains and all but it’s been an unacceptable loss of service coupled with higher fares. Owning an EV has been cheaper & far more reliable. I just hope when this western portion opens, reliability increases. I will take it from Moodie when it does open but if the reliability isn’t there, I’m going back to my EV.
Btw, train reliability hasn't been a concern since 2022. Buses, there just aren't enough of them, and have been an issue since key years: 2003, 2011, 2017, and continues to be because there aren't enough buses.
Ottawa should have just build the simulator qnd put passengers in it and pretend to get them to destination. Think about how much money they would have saved and avoided the pesky bogie problem 🙂 Surprised the simulator does not render the balises on the tracks that give train updated position. BTW, a CBTC system in manual is like an Airbus FBW aircraft: it lets to control the train but never exceed the limits. Question: as your drove the train, did you see the "maximum allowed" speed start to go down and then back up again? CBTC gives train authority to proceed to point X, and train then calculates at what point before X it needs to start slowing down such that it can be stopped when it reaches X. The hope is that CBTC gives the train an updated authority to go further before that slow down starts. Just curious if you noticed it when you drove the train ? (this phenomena is very visible on the Montréal REM where ar regular intervals, the train has jerky acceleration)
Will there be a washroom 🚻 on the train? It's still going to be a long ride and passengers will need to use a toilet 🚽 or someone could have an accident on the train.
The trains themselves won’t have washrooms, but some stations have public restrooms. Mainly the terminus and interchange ones along the network. Some are also attached to commercial spaces that are open during most operating hours if one needs, even though it is not a perfect solution.
Truly hard to beleive that this system SHOULD have been complete in 2018, but here it is, 6 years later, and folks are STILL fooling around with hypotheticals.
Where do you get 2018 from for what's the west extension? If the west extension were a part of the initial build, 2018 still wouldn't be the date completed... its base alignment wasn't even settled until 2015. And that's before adding Bayshore and Moodie to the scope.
I hope I live long enough to see the train finished.
It feels like I can feel the smoothness of the rails with the simulator view - so realistic!
Exciting, it's crazy we get a sneak peak of the system before it's done. I like how the Azure tower on Scott and the Metropole (I like to call the tower of Baradur) are rendered faithfully.
I too enjoyed seeing quite a few recognizable landmarks and buildings while operating the simulator. While it isn’t 100% accurate for the scenery and cityscape, it’s close enough to feel like Ottawa and be believable.
Why did they close Queensway station? Too few riders transferring from bus & not enough TOD?
I assume it's too close proximity with Iris station
I hope there will be clear signage for which station to go to at Lincoln Fields for passengers.😅
Yes there will be , on the trains and on the platforms.
A more perfect simulation would have the train shudder 6 times as it comes to a stop and scream like a banshee around even the smoothest and gentlest curves.
I'm guessing Moodie to Algonquin will require a transfer at Lincoln.
Yes - I believe at peak times of day, this will be a transfer where you simply cross to the other side of the centre platform; that's why Lincoln Fields has 3 tracks.
5:18 where i live!
I'm confused what was going on at Lincoln Fields... Was your Moodie train on the wrong platform?
For most parts of the day, it will serve where it did along the centre platform. However the plan is for peak periods, late night and weekends for it to operate as a shuttle only between Lincoln Fields and Moodie, in which it would stop and serve the platform further to the right only. In other words, it will serve both the platform it did in the video, and the one further to the right... it will all depend on the time of day and day of week.
@@RailFansCanadaare you saying the train won't alternate between tracks and be continuous to Queensview, pinecrest, etc? Is there an explanation of this configuration on OC Transpo website?
@@Pass3Part0ut Most of time time during the day, it will run from the East and both lines go through Lincoln Fields and continue to Algonquin and Moodie. Late night and weekends, they plan to run the Moodie branch only between Lincoln Fields. Otherwise to run both branches the whole way would mean twice as long wait for a train going to Moodie or Algonquin. To keep the frequency the same at those lower demand periods, if they both served the entire lines, they would need twice as many trains on the track, whereas this way people continuing to Moodie would just switch at Lincoln Fields by crossing the platform. Again, this will only happen late night, so probably later than 10pm and on weekends.
@@RailFansCanada they mentioned during peak times too, so during rush hour? They should have just kept Queensway station and split the lines there if the idea wasn't to keep people on the trains.
@@Pass3Part0ut maybe I'm getting the details a bit confused, but you can read this article here on our site in which Pat Scrimgeour had outlined how the lines would work.
www.railfans.ca/news/stage-2-lrt-service-patterns-for-o-train-lines-1-3
Any idea if the simulator is running on commercial PC train simulator software or whether this is software purpose built for train operator training simulators?
I know it's not as graphically impressive as Train Sim World 4 but I actually find the more stylized look of this sim appealing in its own way.
It is a custom solution created Oktal, a tech company that specializes in simulators. www.oktalsydac.com/en/
A proper simulator recreates the real train driver cabin perfectly not just for buttons and screens but also software. Big difference is that all the external imputs (track sensors, and radio comms with CBTC system come via cable from the simulator control room).
Remember that in the control room, they can trigger all sort of faults, peopke jumping on tracks, power failures and train blocked ahead ete etc. What RFC got was an easy ride with no other trains and no defects, and no Godzilla appearing out of nowhere 🙂
So why did the Lincoln Fields to Bayshore to Moodie ride switch tracks three times then? @@jfmezei
Really hoping this western extension goes online in my lifetime without the headaches of the current Line 1. Stopped taking OC Transpo because it just wasn’t reliable even though I on purposefully bought a house near the western terminus to be able to rely on transit for work. But even when I lived near Tunney’s it wasn’t reliable. I remember the BRT system we used to have, and it was a dream of a system! Could get to work and around the city on time. The LRT really made things worse. I get growing pains and all but it’s been an unacceptable loss of service coupled with higher fares. Owning an EV has been cheaper & far more reliable. I just hope when this western portion opens, reliability increases. I will take it from Moodie when it does open but if the reliability isn’t there, I’m going back to my EV.
Btw, train reliability hasn't been a concern since 2022. Buses, there just aren't enough of them, and have been an issue since key years: 2003, 2011, 2017, and continues to be because there aren't enough buses.
Ottawa should have just build the simulator qnd put passengers in it and pretend to get them to destination. Think about how much money they would have saved and avoided the pesky bogie problem 🙂
Surprised the simulator does not render the balises on the tracks that give train updated position.
BTW, a CBTC system in manual is like an Airbus FBW aircraft: it lets to control the train but never exceed the limits.
Question: as your drove the train, did you see the "maximum allowed" speed start to go down and then back up again?
CBTC gives train authority to proceed to point X, and train then calculates at what point before X it needs to start slowing down such that it can be stopped when it reaches X. The hope is that CBTC gives the train an updated authority to go further before that slow down starts. Just curious if you noticed it when you drove the train ? (this phenomena is very visible on the Montréal REM where ar regular intervals, the train has jerky acceleration)
What about this simplistic single-line rail route needs such lengthy training?
Scenarios when it's raining or snowing. Well that's easy just turn the power off that should give you the correct experience and scenario.
Will there be a washroom 🚻 on the train? It's still going to be a long ride and passengers will need to use a toilet 🚽 or someone could have an accident on the train.
The trains themselves won’t have washrooms, but some stations have public restrooms. Mainly the terminus and interchange ones along the network. Some are also attached to commercial spaces that are open during most operating hours if one needs, even though it is not a perfect solution.
Truly hard to beleive that this system SHOULD have been complete in 2018, but here it is, 6 years later, and folks are STILL fooling around with hypotheticals.
Where do you get 2018 from for what's the west extension? If the west extension were a part of the initial build, 2018 still wouldn't be the date completed... its base alignment wasn't even settled until 2015. And that's before adding Bayshore and Moodie to the scope.
This system is outdated.