Just to head off more comments about the pillow - I did try the pillow on multiple nights with the thick end closest to my shoulder and away from my shoulder. In both orientations, it was uncomfortable for me (and other people I had test it).
@@JustinOutdoors As a side sleeper, I avoided the Trekology pillow after seeing videos like yours and opted for a Hikenture that has pretty much the same qualities but is not wedge-shaped. If space allows, I still take along a cheap flannel pillow that weighs next to nothing, just to give me the 'feel' of a real pillow - unnecessary but I like it, so... :)
So I ordered that flashlight and it is nice, but I returned it because I found the Fenix HM50R V2, bad name but frickin aaasum. It's a headlamp and flashlight in one, also type C rechargeable. Check it out.
I’m still a big fan of the ZenBivy system. I learned how to do the clips by touch in the dark. My last trip was above freezing and I went with the new half sheet to save weight and it worked great. I move a lot all night and I don’t have draft problems. Be Fee- have had plugging issues until I found the prefilter sock for it. Since then, no problems- highly recommended.
I also have the ZenBivy and it is the best sleep system I’ve ever had. From high altitude hikes in the Big Horns to flat land trips here in the Mid West, I am in love. It’s not as simple as a quilt or mummy but it is much more comfortable and versatile. Either way, get outside.
If you haven’t already, on your Culo Clean take a Sharpie and make a mark on the top of it to show you where the opening is. I have a yellow one also and found the round head design sometimes caused some “off target” squirts initially. Marking where the opening is is a nice little convenience.
Disagree on the Zen Bivy. I leave mine all together and have no issues when packing away. I hate pad straps. The great sleep is worth the insignificant additional weight in my opinion. Super warm and comfortable. Hike your own hike.
Me too. I kinda roll it toward the foot box and tuck it all inward and it works well. I'm a stomach sleeper so it's great for me. No real issues with drafts.
9:20 best part, totally didn't expect this 😆 Butt to be honest, this is good solution for certain problems that may occur during hike. It looks like usable for whole body "bottle shower". Instead of spare PET bottle cap with drilled holes in it.
I bought a Therm-a-Rest down pillow about 30 years ago as a kid and used it for anything camping for many years as well as some general travel. When I got back into camping & backpacking probably 15 years ago, I tried out several newer versions including the Trekology ALUFT 1.0, Klymit X-Travel, and several others. But the more I try, the more I go back to that same exact down pillow (yes, it has continued to function with only a minor tear on the draw string). The only modern one I can think of I haven't tried is just straight compressible foam. Takes up a bit more space and weighs a few oz. more, but nothing else I've tried comes even close to the comfort. Closest was the Nemo Fillow as a mix of inflatable and foam, but still not as good. Edit: these days I'm more of a side sleeper but was a back sleeper when I was young. The down works for both and whatever soft fabric they chose doesn't get too hot.
For setting up the MSR tent in poor weather conditions you can buy the universal footprint that allows you to set up the outer first. I used this method on the West Highland Way
Dude I don’t know what to say about you’re fecal matter cleansing demo. Definitely more of an informative demonstration than any other You Tube videos I’ve seen. I guess you are the tops on that .
I expect flaws with cottage companies pushing gear out and leaving the testing up to the customers to do it for them; I am sad to see a well loved company like MSR not doing it's own testing before releasing the tent on the market.
I got the nitecore 25 from a recommendation off one of your earlier videos and i have to say i love it. i bought a second one for my wife. the strap is more comfortable than traditional headlamps because it is so light and you hardly know its there. plus, its easier to adjust. Just my two cents!
Thanks for the reviews. Very helpful. I usethe Culo bidet at home on a regular basis. I've added a red line of fingernail polish to the top in line with the opening. Very helpful for pointing in the right direction.
For the "I don't like laying on my sleeping mat when I use a quilt"-issue I use a cheap (silk) sleeping-bag liner from Decathlon and put my sleeping mat in there. Way more comfortable for me during the night and it doesn't really slide around (or if it does you don't really notice because it's just all fabric. And, easily washable (as far as silk is easily washable). One thing to take into account: it doesn't have a hood of course
I really don’t get this thing with quilt. I have more then 30 years in sleeping bags in weather most would never go out in. Generally I find a sleeping bag rated to 30 degrees does me well I take a poncho liner an if it’s extremely cold I throw a handwarmer in a sock to the bottom of the bag . The other thing many don’t understand is never sleep in your day clothes. I also use a tarp if I use a tent it’s at least a 2 to 3 man tent. I need room for my best friend. My dog goes everywhere with me.
for the MSR freelite tent you could just put the rainfly on top while you stake down your tent so your tent isn't getting wet. Or put the footprint on top.
Yes that pillow sucks for the exact reasons you stated. I took out the internal removable bladder and put my seat to summit aeros pillow in the cover. Win win, now I have a removable cover for the sea to summit AND it stays in place which is the main reason I was looking for a replacement 👍
Why have reviewers of the MSR Freelite been unable to figure out that grabbing the bottom of the vestibule near the zipper and giving it a couple of quick shakes gets rid of virtually all water off the door before you even unzip it?? I have the tent and it really is that simple. It isn’t a problem. I’ve backpacked and bike packed across 3 continents and have done the same on every other tent I’ve ever owned. Do people really just drop water unnecessarily into their vestibules by not doing that??
I'm OLD SCHOOL with a sprinkling of newer stuff inflatable stuff inevitably leaks, not now but then I use a closed cell foam pad, and if needed browse for additional padding don't use fancy bedding anymore, use my old bags as blankets with a sleeping bag liner, got to get up too often anymore for a pee just got an used headlamp, it's ok... not a fan of rechargable stuff, something with AA/AAA Rechargables recently got the Sawyer Filter, that and BOIL or use IODINE TABLETS my favorite PUR Filters got bought by Katadyn and are gone... the Sawyer you can get anywhere for cheap always used Nalgene Plastic and just got a Klean Kanteen at the local store you can boil in it for water purification I've given up on HI-TECH TENTS, it's TARPS now TOIET PAPER... I still like it been using a damp sponge for cleanup with water handy for rinsing but that BIDET looks interesting
I love the new USB-C Rovyvonn. I am a follicularly challenged man, so I always hike with a ball cap anyway, and the Rovyvonn with a clip can turn into a headlamp on the bill of the cap or use as a "regular" flashlight I am used to around my neck with a snap lanyard or holding in my hand.
Love my Trekkology 2.0 too and am back to the sawyer squeeze as well. Also enjoying my Durston xmid2p - so big!! Although I use a bidet daily at home and have the backcountry bidet, I haven’t gotten into the habit yet on trail. Recently switched from Altra Timp to Hoka Speedgoats and OMG my feet are so happy! Thanks for your testing and recommendations, Justin!!
I was wondering when I saw the Kula cloth listed as one of the gear items mentioned in the video …. But your use makes sense. And, to be honest, I’ve been a little jealous by how happy women seem to be with this inexpensive piece of gear I could’t. (Gear envy is a strange thing!) But maybe I can!
Another great video, Justin! The Zenbivy seems like a super cumbersome system to use. I love my NU25 OG headlamp. The straps on the new one have no appeal to me, but I agree that the USB-C is very appealing. Lifestraw has the potential to have great products, but I feel like they just can't get the execution right. Definitely sticking with my Sawyer!
I love the straps on the new nitecore. Have to disagree on that one. The core function of a filter is removing pathogens. Largely ignoring differences in how well they do that is about as useful as ignoring how well a quilt keeps you warm would be. For example the QuickDraw only claims 3 log removal of Protozoa and cysts. The sawyer claims 6 log. That’s not slightly different , it’s a thousand times different. The telos is a great tent.
@Jason Livingston but Sawyer do make the testing of their product available. What makes you think they all use the same diameter hollow fibre? It’s a trade-off - larger diameter filters less effectively but gives better flow rates for the same size package, which is why the sawyer mini has a slow flow rate compared to some similar sized competitors. The long life span is entirely reasonable. You’re not using anything up when you use a hollow fibre filter, so as long as it’s cleanable by back flushing and the odd dose of chlorine it can in principle last indefinitely. Sawyer have a huge experience getting very long life out of the squeeze in the developing countries where they give them away. A factual claim like the hollow fibre size is regulated in every county that has advertising standards laws.
@Jason Livingston did you watch the video I linked? “Diameter” in my post was referring to the diameter of the pores. Pore size does make a difference and that shows up in the data. The reality is the .2 aren’t even claiming to remove all (nor are sawyer). Science isn’t that absolute. 3 log (all that Platypus seem to be claiming) is not removing ALL. It’s not remotely enough. If your water is coming from a pond that cattle can crap in then 5 log (all Katydin test shows) isn’t enough. … Those nice flow rates come at a cost of getting the job done. Whether the water is treated or not is irrelevant- nothing is used up in hollow fibre technology. Useful lifespan is about clogging you can’t clear or damage from some kind of abuse. No one in this conversation is talking about viruses at this point. No hollow fibre filter addresses viruses.
Seriously- you’re just spouting the same old received wisdom that GearSceptic debunks. And it’s all besides the point. The point is that Justin and anyone else claiming to review water treatment products ought to be researching and reviewing how well those products actually do the job, not just how easy they are to use and light to carry.
I love what Gearskeptic is doing and the detail he is going into but I think it's important to remember his caveats. His main point around the filter rates is risk management and make sure you are using a filter for the conditions you are in. The higher removal rates of the Sawyer still won't be sufficient in some scenarios if you have a low risk tolerance for being exposed to bacteria and protozoa.
@@JustinOutdoors of course. It just concerns me that, across all the backpacking channels collectively, massively more attention is being given to weight, ease of use and flow rates than to how well they actually do the job. This isn’t a plug for the Sawyer, it’s asking for more balanced reviews so people are well informed and the push on industry’s development of new products is in the right direction.
Ever since the pandemic, I've used a portable bidet, at home! On trail, it's no different. As for "drying off", since even me underwear is "quick drying" and since most of us sweat thru our clothes daily while hiking, I don't even bother drying off after using the bidet. My underwear dries quickly or I'll just be sweating shortly enough once I resume hiking. It's so simple and far more effective than toilet paper. IMHO
I appreciate the honest reviews! One dissagreement, though.. My friend had a bad experience with the Platypus filter. I find the Hydroblu Versaflow much better, especially when used as a gravity filter system with a Cnoc bag
FYI, there is no real downside to 0.2 micron filters relative to 0.1 because pathogens of concern are all larger than 0.2 or much much smaller than 0.1 microns (i.e. viruses). Sawyer's choice to use 0.1 has always baffled and disappointed me because the smaller size pores increase clogging and decrease throughput for no added benifit relative to 0.2 microns. . . yes, I'm a microbiologist that used to make my living filtering water for microorganisms and viruses.
thank you so much for letting us know! which water filter/purifier do you use? and i wonder if UV pens works as an addition to any of the filters in riskier places or third world countries?
one thing I find interesting is that few of the backpackers/all season campers talk about the Grayl filter bottles, which are pretty heavily recommended by bushcrafters/preppers. is it just a weight issue, or are there other considerations that keep you from using Grayl products?
They actually sell a “Portable Washlet” in Japan. The squirt bidet with an added fan dry all in one. A Washlet is a japanese toilet that has bidet, heated toilet seat, and heated dryer.
Thank you for talking about Zenbivy alternative. I thought there's no alternative to that fancy system. Looks like Hammock gear and Enlightened equipment needs more attention...
🤔 Have you tried the Sea to summit Aeros? (Pillow) Anyone using that Lifestraw Filter....Do NOT use it with the filter inside then switch it to the outside, ONLY use it on the outside or you run the risk of getting sick as you are now putting the filter that was just in unfiltered water, outside and close to your bottle. I used this for myself + dog on a recent trip and we both got sick. also it popped a small hole after that 1 trip. no drops or anything,
I got the zen bivy system based off of your initial reviews. I have one with the hooks and then the zipper. The hooks are fiddly, but no more of a hassle than a lightweight zipper on a sleeping bag. I thrash around at night and a quilt with pad straps doesn’t work for me unless I am in a hammock. If I have to stay warm and not in a hammock, gonna keep using the zen bivy system or the Big Agnes diamond park 0 bag I got, which is similar but significantly more bulkier. The MSR freelight having design issues continues a string of poor choices by MSR. They had stopped seam sealing their tents and had switch to a thread that was supposed to swell shut when wet to prevent moisture. Interesting theory that did not work in practice. Thanks for the demo of the bidet and kula cloth.
I've never reviewed the Zenbivy. Maybe you are mistaking me with Devin over at Backcountry Exposure? I know the Zenbivy is going to work for a lot of people! Devin LOVES his. For me, it just doesn't perform better than a traditional quilt.
After using the X-Mid now for a couple of years, I don't think I could ever go back to an inner pitch first tent! I love having the outer go up first, or having them already attached, so the inner doesn't get soaked if it's raining. Brilliant design 👍 I also will never give up my Trekoligy pillow! I'm even thinking of getting a second to use under my knees first when I'm sleeping on my back. The weight is negligible. How's Pippin doing? I just took my adventure pup out for her first long weekend backpacking trip. She did amazing! Except she put a wee hole in the mesh of the tent, and kinda tore up my OV 1/8 inch pad. Oh well, now it's just smaller and weighs less 😆😉
Completely agree on the new Nitecore. I started using the NU33 instead. It's larger actually, but the UI is much better and it's brighter and lasts longer.
@@willek1335 I think marketing has a huge thing for lumens. So adding that flood made the lumens pretty high. But it's not practical. It's too bright to use around camp and it's not helpful on the trail. The spot is floody enough on its own. I don't think they actually worked with people who actually hike and camp to design it. And I really liked the high CRI flood from the old one (and the NU33). I grill burgers on a little titanium grill sometimes and the high CRI lets me see the color difference between an uncooked, well cooked, or burned burger.
@@commentsonthetube14 That's unfortunate. I hate when they do that with stuff sacks, to save a gram. The sack for my sleeping pad is as tight as an Extra small condom. It's a pain in the ass to slip on.
my msr hubba hubba has the same issue with the door, and that tent is about 9 yrs old. Seems like they still can't seem to figure that out. Your issue with the zenbivy getting tangled up when you store it attached to the sheet is a headscratcher to me though, cuz I never unhook mine from the sheet, and never have any issues with it tangling up. Maybe I just get lucky 🤷
I think you could get around my issues if you were deliberate with how you put the zenbivy in your pack. I just stuff it in and keep stuffing. rolling it up or something before stuffing might work better.
The thing with wedge shape pillow is. The thick side is for the neck and thin side is for the head. So of course it going to be uncomfortable if you have it the wrong way around.
Yes 💯! It's the perfect amount of light for doing things within arms reach when my eyes are adjusted to the dark. I use the dim red mode at home before going to sleep and to avoid disturbing sleeping people when moving around. I rarely use the high output mode and even less often wished it was brighter.
With your lifestraw filter, do you backflush it at all? Because no filter is clog-proof, you have to clean them, preferably backflush them after every use and then douse them in a vinegar mix + backflushing them after every few trips.
I just bought a ZenBivy and the new updated version doesn’t use the clip system it has a zip system and the flaps on the side always stayed up. I can pack it up all in one system with no hassle unpacking. Maybe they will sponsor you a new one with the zips🎉
Have used a bidet for a long time and never felt I needed to dry back there. When I am hiking I am typically dealing with sweat anyways so what's the point...
Not sure if you tried it this way, but I think the wedge pillow is supposed to be placed with the taller part closer to the shoulders and the lower part of the pillow closer to the upper neck, then I think it's more comfortable. Not sure if you tried it this way or the other way around? Anyways, thanks for sharing 🙌
Depends on how you sleep. Typically, back sleepers should put the tapered part down as the boosted side puts extra stress on the c-spine & pushes it up a bit. Side sleepers should use the boosted side down to compensate for the curve of the side of the neck. But not everybody's body works the same so yeah, try it different ways & see what works.
I love my Aluft Pro Pillow, you’re using it the wrong way, have the higher end nearer your shoulders. I have five or six RovyVon torches now and they are am.
Cannot wait to try my new Zenbizy. I managed to get one before they sold out again, they are hugely popular, really looking forward to the flexibility it offers and not struggling with zip snags when trying to exit for a bathroom break! @justinoutdoors looked like yours had the wrong size mattress ?
The design flaws on that MSR Freelite tent are truly mind bobbling. Like, did they spend ANY time field testing this tent before releasing it on the market?
Always sucks being a early adopter of a dud product. This is why its good to wait a bit for the real world reviews to come out. That MSR tent and zen bivy are pretty pricey to. I remember when they first released the tent. Influencers were calling it gods gift to hikers within 3 days. A year later and the real world reviews reveal it has some major flaws. From a customer viewpoint , it pays to wait. I would send the Tent back. Ask for a refund. If your tent gets you wet. It ain't worth a freaking penny and is Dangerous. I expect more from a big brand like MSR. Part of me feels like the early adopters are more beta testers for these products nowadays. That is a shame because a big company like them should have a full on testing department. You pay a premium for their products and you expect it to be premium. Anyways thanks for the heads up. I will be sticking with my Xmid 1, BeFree , Kelty sleeping bag and Neoair and my thermarest compressible pillow. . For me the trekology was a dud. It hurts my ears. Not a big deal though since it was only 17 bucks Canadian.
Lol I just ordered my zenbivy light bed 10f yesterday and waiting for shipping....I hope the hooks don't make me regret it. They do have a bed that has zippers. Think thall be a better option?
If you’re considering a zippered zenbivy you really should just look at a sleeping bag at that point. Not all sleeping bags are mummy bags and even the non zippered zenbivy weighs more than a lot of big bags out there
I use the 25f model backpacking when I can use a hammock. Personally I haven't had any draft issues. Zippers can tear fabric, so I find the hooks are a great solution. Most days, I'll pack/unpack the system with the hooks done already, otherwise it takes too long to set up.
I use the Trekology Aluft Pro but I use it upside down. I like the thickest part of that wedge under my neck. It works for me well that way, but I agree that sleeping on it as intended is uncomfortable
@@JustinOutdoors Back country pillows are so hard to get right. Hell, even my regular pillows bother me eventually. I feel like the optimal design is a thin foam topper over a flat inflatable rectangle with raised sides for when you need to take up more space for side sleeping and a pad strap to keep it n place. Ideally brands would offer different thicknesses for differently sized people. I have wide shoulders so I need thiccc sides for side sleeping but I have really good posture so the middle needs to be pretty thin for me to sleep comfortably on my back. I wish I knew how to make these things....
except ............................................ I like BIG PILLOWS and I cannot lie You other brothers can't deny That when a backpacker walks in with an itty bitty sheet And a square thing in your face You get sprung, want to pull up tough 'Cause you noticed that pillow was stuffed Deep in the gortex sack its wearing I'm hooked and I can't stop staring Oh baby, I wanna get wit'cha And take your picture My homeboys tried to warn me But that pillow makes (me, me so sleepy )
You didn't use the Lifestraw Peak. If you did, you would've known that what you griped about it is wrong. Other users have literally debunked those claims about it not being able to be filtered with the filter inside easily. Also, just because you squeeze water with it with the filter on the outside, what makes is so that you can't put it back in when you're done? What makes you lose the benefits of the compactness of it? Is there a rule or something that you have to leave it outside of the bag? Do you "not" pre-filter your water to remove sediment from it before running it through your filter? Also, why didn't you backflush it when you hit 15 liters? Was there something preventing you from doing it? I haven't seen one filter that doesn't require maintenance.
I used it for over 100L, which was enough to know that I don't like it compared to the other options on the market. It works as a filter, but doesn't filter quickly, isn't easy to use, and requires more maintenance when compared to other filters.
The comments on the Zenbivy are disappointing. I love my 25 degree quilt and fast sheet. The whole system is as complicated as pad straps on any other quilt.
Rovyvon A8. 3 levels of white light: Dim, really-bright, and 650-lumens-of-why-is-the-sun-up-at-this-hour? Red for saving night vision (and has flashing modes as well). UV for entertaining you by discovering body fluids in motel rooms-- I guess. Anyway, it is neat. Strong pocket-clip with a powerful magnet, plus hole for adding wrist or neck strap. USB-C, and glowing charge status indicator. Best flashlight I have ever had.
I had it hanging in a snow cave all night, with the ambient setting, and it lasted all night just fine. I taught it would die, like so much other affordable tech at that temperature, but it held up. I don't keep any "safe queens".
@@helpfulcommenter Safe queen is from Chess, meaning a (valuable) piece that you don't take out in fear of losing it. A safe queen is a safety risk to me, because I don't know the limitations. I had a Protrek watch, branded as able to survive in those cold conditions, jet it temporarily shut down on day two. Now I know its actual limitation and can still use it in slightly warmer conditions.
Another way to use the Bidet is to take a larger bucket of water and pour below where your final spine bone and your buttchecks are. This is what you will find in most of Asia. I personally hate this it feels very weird but if you dont like the stream of water on you down there and want sth more gentle and have access to a lot more water this might work for you
I've been using the bidet for 3 years at home and on trail. I feel like the cleaner and higher fiber diet you have, the easier clean up is. Once I added about a teaspoon of psyllium husk fiber to my daily diet, I reduced my toilet paper consumption by 1/3 (pre-bidet), literally, because I now have "ghost wipes". With the bidet, everything is super clean... no extra hand scrubbing required. Enjoy! 😂
Just to head off more comments about the pillow - I did try the pillow on multiple nights with the thick end closest to my shoulder and away from my shoulder. In both orientations, it was uncomfortable for me (and other people I had test it).
Are people trying to troll me by still posting comments telling me I am using it the wrong way!? 😂😂😂
@@JustinOutdoors As a side sleeper, I avoided the Trekology pillow after seeing videos like yours and opted for a Hikenture that has pretty much the same qualities but is not wedge-shaped. If space allows, I still take along a cheap flannel pillow that weighs next to nothing, just to give me the 'feel' of a real pillow - unnecessary but I like it, so... :)
So I ordered that flashlight and it is nice, but I returned it because I found the Fenix HM50R V2, bad name but frickin aaasum. It's a headlamp and flashlight in one, also type C rechargeable. Check it out.
Following your suggestion I tried ultralight quilt and returned back to zenbivy.
Respect for demonstrating the bidet.
I’m still a big fan of the ZenBivy system. I learned how to do the clips by touch in the dark. My last trip was above freezing and I went with the new half sheet to save weight and it worked great. I move a lot all night and I don’t have draft problems.
Be Fee- have had plugging issues until I found the prefilter sock for it. Since then, no problems- highly recommended.
I also have the ZenBivy and it is the best sleep system I’ve ever had. From high altitude hikes in the Big Horns to flat land trips here in the Mid West, I am in love. It’s not as simple as a quilt or mummy but it is much more comfortable and versatile. Either way, get outside.
If you haven’t already, on your Culo Clean take a Sharpie and make a mark on the top of it to show you where the opening is. I have a yellow one also and found the round head design sometimes caused some “off target” squirts initially. Marking where the opening is is a nice little convenience.
Disagree on the Zen Bivy. I leave mine all together and have no issues when packing away. I hate pad straps. The great sleep is worth the insignificant additional weight in my opinion. Super warm and comfortable. Hike your own hike.
Glad it work for you! Like I said, I know it will work well for some people. Just not me!
I’m glad too see this. I’m 57. Getting into backpacking. Thought ZB looked awesome then saw this video.
I have a Zen Bivy and I've never slept better. But I'm not backpacking, I'm motocamping and the weight penalty means nothing to me.
Me too. I kinda roll it toward the foot box and tuck it all inward and it works well. I'm a stomach sleeper so it's great for me. No real issues with drafts.
9:20 best part, totally didn't expect this 😆
Butt to be honest, this is good solution for certain problems that may occur during hike.
It looks like usable for whole body "bottle shower". Instead of spare PET bottle cap with drilled holes in it.
I bought a Therm-a-Rest down pillow about 30 years ago as a kid and used it for anything camping for many years as well as some general travel. When I got back into camping & backpacking probably 15 years ago, I tried out several newer versions including the Trekology ALUFT 1.0, Klymit X-Travel, and several others. But the more I try, the more I go back to that same exact down pillow (yes, it has continued to function with only a minor tear on the draw string). The only modern one I can think of I haven't tried is just straight compressible foam. Takes up a bit more space and weighs a few oz. more, but nothing else I've tried comes even close to the comfort. Closest was the Nemo Fillow as a mix of inflatable and foam, but still not as good.
Edit: these days I'm more of a side sleeper but was a back sleeper when I was young. The down works for both and whatever soft fabric they chose doesn't get too hot.
For setting up the MSR tent in poor weather conditions you can buy the universal footprint that allows you to set up the outer first. I used this method on the West Highland Way
Dude I don’t know what to say about you’re fecal matter cleansing demo. Definitely more of an informative demonstration than any other You Tube videos I’ve seen. I guess you are the tops on that .
I expect flaws with cottage companies pushing gear out and leaving the testing up to the customers to do it for them; I am sad to see a well loved company like MSR not doing it's own testing before releasing the tent on the market.
Well, nemo has the same problem, even worse because there's no cross pole at all on some tents
I got the nitecore 25 from a recommendation off one of your earlier videos and i have to say i love it. i bought a second one for my wife. the strap is more comfortable than traditional headlamps because it is so light and you hardly know its there. plus, its easier to adjust. Just my two cents!
Thanks for the reviews. Very helpful. I usethe Culo bidet at home on a regular basis. I've added a red line of fingernail polish to the top in line with the opening. Very helpful for pointing in the right direction.
For the "I don't like laying on my sleeping mat when I use a quilt"-issue I use a cheap (silk) sleeping-bag liner from Decathlon and put my sleeping mat in there. Way more comfortable for me during the night and it doesn't really slide around (or if it does you don't really notice because it's just all fabric. And, easily washable (as far as silk is easily washable). One thing to take into account: it doesn't have a hood of course
I really don’t get this thing with quilt. I have more then 30 years in sleeping bags in weather most would never go out in. Generally I find a sleeping bag rated to 30 degrees does me well I take a poncho liner an if it’s extremely cold I throw a handwarmer in a sock to the bottom of the bag . The other thing many don’t understand is never sleep in your day clothes. I also use a tarp if I use a tent it’s at least a 2 to 3 man tent. I need room for my best friend. My dog goes everywhere with me.
for the MSR freelite tent you could just put the rainfly on top while you stake down your tent so your tent isn't getting wet. Or put the footprint on top.
ALL water filters will clog if you don't prefilter the dirt and debris first.
I never prefilter the quickdraw and haven't had it clog yet
Yes that pillow sucks for the exact reasons you stated. I took out the internal removable bladder and put my seat to summit aeros pillow in the cover. Win win, now I have a removable cover for the sea to summit AND it stays in place which is the main reason I was looking for a replacement 👍
I use a my pillow travel pillow in a small compression sack. Very comfortable and packs small and light.
Why have reviewers of the MSR Freelite been unable to figure out that grabbing the bottom of the vestibule near the zipper and giving it a couple of quick shakes gets rid of virtually all water off the door before you even unzip it?? I have the tent and it really is that simple. It isn’t a problem.
I’ve backpacked and bike packed across 3 continents and have done the same on every other tent I’ve ever owned. Do people really just drop water unnecessarily into their vestibules by not doing that??
I'm OLD SCHOOL with a sprinkling of newer stuff
inflatable stuff inevitably leaks, not now but then
I use a closed cell foam pad, and if needed browse for additional padding
don't use fancy bedding anymore, use my old bags as blankets
with a sleeping bag liner, got to get up too often anymore for a pee
just got an used headlamp, it's ok...
not a fan of rechargable stuff, something with AA/AAA Rechargables
recently got the Sawyer Filter, that and BOIL or use IODINE TABLETS
my favorite PUR Filters got bought by Katadyn and are gone...
the Sawyer you can get anywhere for cheap
always used Nalgene Plastic and just got a Klean Kanteen at the local store
you can boil in it for water purification
I've given up on HI-TECH TENTS, it's TARPS now
TOIET PAPER... I still like it
been using a damp sponge for cleanup with water handy for rinsing
but that BIDET looks interesting
I love the new USB-C Rovyvonn. I am a follicularly challenged man, so I always hike with a ball cap anyway, and the Rovyvonn with a clip can turn into a headlamp on the bill of the cap or use as a "regular" flashlight I am used to around my neck with a snap lanyard or holding in my hand.
Love my Trekkology 2.0 too and am back to the sawyer squeeze as well. Also enjoying my Durston xmid2p - so big!! Although I use a bidet daily at home and have the backcountry bidet, I haven’t gotten into the habit yet on trail. Recently switched from Altra Timp to Hoka Speedgoats and OMG my feet are so happy! Thanks for your testing and recommendations, Justin!!
I was wondering when I saw the Kula cloth listed as one of the gear items mentioned in the video …. But your use makes sense. And, to be honest, I’ve been a little jealous by how happy women seem to be with this inexpensive piece of gear I could’t. (Gear envy is a strange thing!) But maybe I can!
Another great video, Justin! The Zenbivy seems like a super cumbersome system to use. I love my NU25 OG headlamp. The straps on the new one have no appeal to me, but I agree that the USB-C is very appealing. Lifestraw has the potential to have great products, but I feel like they just can't get the execution right. Definitely sticking with my Sawyer!
I love the straps on the new nitecore. Have to disagree on that one.
The core function of a filter is removing pathogens. Largely ignoring differences in how well they do that is about as useful as ignoring how well a quilt keeps you warm would be. For example the QuickDraw only claims 3 log removal of Protozoa and cysts. The sawyer claims 6 log. That’s not slightly different , it’s a thousand times different.
The telos is a great tent.
@Jason Livingston but Sawyer do make the testing of their product available. What makes you think they all use the same diameter hollow fibre? It’s a trade-off - larger diameter filters less effectively but gives better flow rates for the same size package, which is why the sawyer mini has a slow flow rate compared to some similar sized competitors.
The long life span is entirely reasonable. You’re not using anything up when you use a hollow fibre filter, so as long as it’s cleanable by back flushing and the odd dose of chlorine it can in principle last indefinitely. Sawyer have a huge experience getting very long life out of the squeeze in the developing countries where they give them away.
A factual claim like the hollow fibre size is regulated in every county that has advertising standards laws.
@Jason Livingston did you watch the video I linked? “Diameter” in my post was referring to the diameter of the pores. Pore size does make a difference and that shows up in the data. The reality is the .2 aren’t even claiming to remove all (nor are sawyer). Science isn’t that absolute. 3 log (all that Platypus seem to be claiming) is not removing ALL. It’s not remotely enough. If your water is coming from a pond that cattle can crap in then 5 log (all Katydin test shows) isn’t enough. …
Those nice flow rates come at a cost of getting the job done.
Whether the water is treated or not is irrelevant- nothing is used up in hollow fibre technology. Useful lifespan is about clogging you can’t clear or damage from some kind of abuse.
No one in this conversation is talking about viruses at this point. No hollow fibre filter addresses viruses.
Seriously- you’re just spouting the same old received wisdom that GearSceptic debunks.
And it’s all besides the point. The point is that Justin and anyone else claiming to review water treatment products ought to be researching and reviewing how well those products actually do the job, not just how easy they are to use and light to carry.
I love what Gearskeptic is doing and the detail he is going into but I think it's important to remember his caveats. His main point around the filter rates is risk management and make sure you are using a filter for the conditions you are in. The higher removal rates of the Sawyer still won't be sufficient in some scenarios if you have a low risk tolerance for being exposed to bacteria and protozoa.
@@JustinOutdoors of course. It just concerns me that, across all the backpacking channels collectively, massively more attention is being given to weight, ease of use and flow rates than to how well they actually do the job. This isn’t a plug for the Sawyer, it’s asking for more balanced reviews so people are well informed and the push on industry’s development of new products is in the right direction.
Ever since the pandemic, I've used a portable bidet, at home! On trail, it's no different. As for "drying off", since even me underwear is "quick drying" and since most of us sweat thru our clothes daily while hiking, I don't even bother drying off after using the bidet. My underwear dries quickly or I'll just be sweating shortly enough once I resume hiking. It's so simple and far more effective than toilet paper. IMHO
I appreciate the honest reviews! One dissagreement, though.. My friend had a bad experience with the Platypus filter. I find the Hydroblu Versaflow much better, especially when used as a gravity filter system with a Cnoc bag
What was their bad experience?
The Nemo fillo is the best pillow from my experience but cocoon also offers a light weight pillow I like but it's all nylon so it's very slippery.
+1 for Fillo
Nemo is decent, at least they honor their warranty
FYI, there is no real downside to 0.2 micron filters relative to 0.1 because pathogens of concern are all larger than 0.2 or much much smaller than 0.1 microns (i.e. viruses). Sawyer's choice to use 0.1 has always baffled and disappointed me because the smaller size pores increase clogging and decrease throughput for no added benifit relative to 0.2 microns. . . yes, I'm a microbiologist that used to make my living filtering water for microorganisms and viruses.
thank you so much for letting us know! which water filter/purifier do you use? and i wonder if UV pens works as an addition to any of the filters in riskier places or third world countries?
one thing I find interesting is that few of the backpackers/all season campers talk about the Grayl filter bottles, which are pretty heavily recommended by bushcrafters/preppers. is it just a weight issue, or are there other considerations that keep you from using Grayl products?
They actually sell a “Portable Washlet” in Japan. The squirt bidet with an added fan dry all in one. A Washlet is a japanese toilet that has bidet, heated toilet seat, and heated dryer.
Thank you for talking about Zenbivy alternative. I thought there's no alternative to that fancy system. Looks like Hammock gear and Enlightened equipment needs more attention...
🤔 Have you tried the Sea to summit Aeros? (Pillow)
Anyone using that Lifestraw Filter....Do NOT use it with the filter inside then switch it to the outside, ONLY use it on the outside or you run the risk of getting sick as you are now putting the filter that was just in unfiltered water, outside and close to your bottle. I used this for myself + dog on a recent trip and we both got sick.
also it popped a small hole after that 1 trip. no drops or anything,
I got the zen bivy system based off of your initial reviews. I have one with the hooks and then the zipper. The hooks are fiddly, but no more of a hassle than a lightweight zipper on a sleeping bag. I thrash around at night and a quilt with pad straps doesn’t work for me unless I am in a hammock. If I have to stay warm and not in a hammock, gonna keep using the zen bivy system or the Big Agnes diamond park 0 bag I got, which is similar but significantly more bulkier.
The MSR freelight having design issues continues a string of poor choices by MSR. They had stopped seam sealing their tents and had switch to a thread that was supposed to swell shut when wet to prevent moisture. Interesting theory that did not work in practice.
Thanks for the demo of the bidet and kula cloth.
I've never reviewed the Zenbivy. Maybe you are mistaking me with Devin over at Backcountry Exposure? I know the Zenbivy is going to work for a lot of people! Devin LOVES his. For me, it just doesn't perform better than a traditional quilt.
@Justin Outdoors ugh.... you are right and I am sorry for my confusion.
After using the X-Mid now for a couple of years, I don't think I could ever go back to an inner pitch first tent! I love having the outer go up first, or having them already attached, so the inner doesn't get soaked if it's raining. Brilliant design 👍
I also will never give up my Trekoligy pillow! I'm even thinking of getting a second to use under my knees first when I'm sleeping on my back. The weight is negligible.
How's Pippin doing? I just took my adventure pup out for her first long weekend backpacking trip. She did amazing! Except she put a wee hole in the mesh of the tent, and kinda tore up my OV 1/8 inch pad. Oh well, now it's just smaller and weighs less 😆😉
Pippin is doing well. Still on his recovery journey! Hoping by mid to late summer he might be able to go one some short hikes!
@@JustinOutdoors good for Pipin! Fingers crossed for good weather and amazing recovery
Completely agree on the new Nitecore. I started using the NU33 instead. It's larger actually, but the UI is much better and it's brighter and lasts longer.
I wonder how Nitecore can be like "Yep. This is an upgrade. Ship it."😂 It seems like such a huge flaw.
@@willek1335 I think marketing has a huge thing for lumens. So adding that flood made the lumens pretty high. But it's not practical. It's too bright to use around camp and it's not helpful on the trail. The spot is floody enough on its own. I don't think they actually worked with people who actually hike and camp to design it.
And I really liked the high CRI flood from the old one (and the NU33). I grill burgers on a little titanium grill sometimes and the high CRI lets me see the color difference between an uncooked, well cooked, or burned burger.
@@commentsonthetube14 That's unfortunate. I hate when they do that with stuff sacks, to save a gram. The sack for my sleeping pad is as tight as an Extra small condom. It's a pain in the ass to slip on.
I have a Trekology pillow and it's awesome. It's perfect in my opinion and pretty much weightless. Worth every penny.
Are you planning to sell your Zenbivy? I'm going to Africa in July and am interested in their system
my msr hubba hubba has the same issue with the door, and that tent is about 9 yrs old. Seems like they still can't seem to figure that out.
Your issue with the zenbivy getting tangled up when you store it attached to the sheet is a headscratcher to me though, cuz I never unhook mine from the sheet, and never have any issues with it tangling up. Maybe I just get lucky 🤷
I think you could get around my issues if you were deliberate with how you put the zenbivy in your pack. I just stuff it in and keep stuffing. rolling it up or something before stuffing might work better.
@@JustinOutdoors i just stuff it in, no rolling
The thing with wedge shape pillow is. The thick side is for the neck and thin side is for the head. So of course it going to be uncomfortable if you have it the wrong way around.
Like I mentioned in another reply, I tried it both ways multiple times.
several weeks on the A.T. never had the Katadyne clog sounds like user error
I used one for 2 years (several hundred litres) with no issues, and then this one failed on day 4 of the GDT with about 100L through it pre-trip.
Your thumbnail featuring a Rovyvon flashlight caught my eye... then I had to find out what you were using if not TP.
Morbid curiosity.
Nitecore getting rid of the 1 lumen mode makes zero sense to me. It’s one of the NU25s best features.
@@jasonlivingston1261 yes overall it’s a downgrade for me. The 6 lumen mode is too bright for myself.
Yes 💯! It's the perfect amount of light for doing things within arms reach when my eyes are adjusted to the dark. I use the dim red mode at home before going to sleep and to avoid disturbing sleeping people when moving around. I rarely use the high output mode and even less often wished it was brighter.
With your lifestraw filter, do you backflush it at all? Because no filter is clog-proof, you have to clean them, preferably backflush them after every use and then douse them in a vinegar mix + backflushing them after every few trips.
I just bought a ZenBivy and the new updated version doesn’t use the clip system it has a zip system and the flaps on the side always stayed up. I can pack it up all in one system with no hassle unpacking. Maybe they will sponsor you a new one with the zips🎉
You have the Zenbivy Bed which uses zippers. The Zenbivy Light Bed and Core Bed use the clips. Different products. Love my Light Bed.
Have used a bidet for a long time and never felt I needed to dry back there. When I am hiking I am typically dealing with sweat anyways so what's the point...
Not sure if you tried it this way, but I think the wedge pillow is supposed to be placed with the taller part closer to the shoulders and the lower part of the pillow closer to the upper neck, then I think it's more comfortable. Not sure if you tried it this way or the other way around? Anyways, thanks for sharing 🙌
Depends on how you sleep. Typically, back sleepers should put the tapered part down as the boosted side puts extra stress on the c-spine & pushes it up a bit. Side sleepers should use the boosted side down to compensate for the curve of the side of the neck. But not everybody's body works the same so yeah, try it different ways & see what works.
I love my Aluft Pro Pillow, you’re using it the wrong way, have the higher end nearer your shoulders.
I have five or six RovyVon torches now and they are am.
I have rhe rovyvon a5 where you can add a triple A battery to suppliment the internal batery
That sounds like you have the Rovyvon e5 (not the a5 as shown in the video). The e5 is bigger and has the option to add a triple A battery.
Aluft Pro is the only camp pillow I've found that doesn't give me neck pain.
Very informative, just wanted to know which exped pad under the trekology pillow in the video. Thanks bro.
🙏💯Thank you, great reviews. We need honest reviews without people being loyal to brands or products. You are a true professional. 🔥💯🙏💪👍✝️
CNOC bag and a full size original Sawyer Squeeze, end of
That bivy thing looks complicated! Great video. I can see why you dump all that stuff.
Cannot wait to try my new Zenbizy. I managed to get one before they sold out again, they are hugely popular, really looking forward to the flexibility it offers and not struggling with zip snags when trying to exit for a bathroom break! @justinoutdoors looked like yours had the wrong size mattress ?
On this trip, I was using it with a too-large mattress but did all my testing with the correct sized mattress.
The design flaws on that MSR Freelite tent are truly mind bobbling. Like, did they spend ANY time field testing this tent before releasing it on the market?
Love my Zenbivy!!! It’s like it was made for me 🫶
Me too! Mine has zippers instead of the clips and its super easy and customizable. Love mine!
Never seen someone so baffled and bewildered by a zenbivy. Made me chuckle. On a side note, you're using that pillow wrong.
I like my zen bivey. All personal preference.
Always sucks being a early adopter of a dud product. This is why its good to wait a bit for the real world reviews to come out. That MSR tent and zen bivy are pretty pricey to. I remember when they first released the tent. Influencers were calling it gods gift to hikers within 3 days. A year later and the real world reviews reveal it has some major flaws. From a customer viewpoint , it pays to wait. I would send the Tent back. Ask for a refund. If your tent gets you wet. It ain't worth a freaking penny and is Dangerous. I expect more from a big brand like MSR. Part of me feels like the early adopters are more beta testers for these products nowadays. That is a shame because a big company like them should have a full on testing department. You pay a premium for their products and you expect it to be premium. Anyways thanks for the heads up. I will be sticking with my Xmid 1, BeFree , Kelty sleeping bag and Neoair and my thermarest compressible pillow. . For me the trekology was a dud. It hurts my ears. Not a big deal though since it was only 17 bucks Canadian.
How are you liking the Zerk?
What are you doing with the Zenbivy?😁
Lol I just ordered my zenbivy light bed 10f yesterday and waiting for shipping....I hope the hooks don't make me regret it. They do have a bed that has zippers. Think thall be a better option?
We love our Zenbivy! We have two and think they’re awesome.
If you’re considering a zippered zenbivy you really should just look at a sleeping bag at that point. Not all sleeping bags are mummy bags and even the non zippered zenbivy weighs more than a lot of big bags out there
I know that Zenbivy has a heavier quilt (not "light bed") with zipper option.
A lot of people love them, so I am sure it will work for you! I'd be interested in testing a zenbvy again if they made a UL zipper option.
I use the 25f model backpacking when I can use a hammock. Personally I haven't had any draft issues. Zippers can tear fabric, so I find the hooks are a great solution.
Most days, I'll pack/unpack the system with the hooks done already, otherwise it takes too long to set up.
Thank you for the video!
I use the Trekology Aluft Pro but I use it upside down. I like the thickest part of that wedge under my neck. It works for me well that way, but I agree that sleeping on it as intended is uncomfortable
I tried it every which way for multiple nights and just couldn't get comfortable on it :(
@@JustinOutdoors Back country pillows are so hard to get right. Hell, even my regular pillows bother me eventually. I feel like the optimal design is a thin foam topper over a flat inflatable rectangle with raised sides for when you need to take up more space for side sleeping and a pad strap to keep it n place. Ideally brands would offer different thicknesses for differently sized people. I have wide shoulders so I need thiccc sides for side sleeping but I have really good posture so the middle needs to be pretty thin for me to sleep comfortably on my back. I wish I knew how to make these things....
@Justin Outdoors you could've just said, I tried...
Paria Down Pillow ftw!
what pants are you wearing at 9:20?
Pillows are so personal. What one person loves someone else hates.
except ............................................
I like BIG PILLOWS and I cannot lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a backpacker walks in with an itty bitty sheet
And a square thing in your face
You get sprung, want to pull up tough
'Cause you noticed that pillow was stuffed
Deep in the gortex sack its wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get wit'cha
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that pillow makes (me, me so sleepy )
Yep. I need a big one or I get a pinched nerve in my neck.
You didn't use the Lifestraw Peak.
If you did, you would've known that what you griped about it is wrong. Other users have literally debunked those claims about it not being able to be filtered with the filter inside easily. Also, just because you squeeze water with it with the filter on the outside, what makes is so that you can't put it back in when you're done? What makes you lose the benefits of the compactness of it? Is there a rule or something that you have to leave it outside of the bag?
Do you "not" pre-filter your water to remove sediment from it before running it through your filter?
Also, why didn't you backflush it when you hit 15 liters? Was there something preventing you from doing it?
I haven't seen one filter that doesn't require maintenance.
I used it for over 100L, which was enough to know that I don't like it compared to the other options on the market. It works as a filter, but doesn't filter quickly, isn't easy to use, and requires more maintenance when compared to other filters.
@@JustinOutdoors Do you pre-filter dirty water before using it? Or do you use straight dirty water?
This, ladies & gentlemen, perfectly illustrates why you should always ask, before borrowing a cloth to wipe your face.
I have the platypus - I saw in your video you had it connected to a cnoc bag. Did you modify anything or will it connect with no issues??
Connects with no issues :)
Hardy need a Masters degree to use the ‘complicated’ Zenbivy system. Jeez
Did you try turning the pillow around so the wedge slopes backwards?
I did
Being obsessed by gear is not what it's all about
You seem to be using a Exped pad which has near to none comparision reviews.
How does it stack up with the BA Rapid and the Nemo Pad?
I still need to do a bit more testing on it but will be putting something out likely in May comparing a bunch of the top pads on the market!
7:38 That comment reminded me of a sarcastic Kylehateshiking video 😂 really made me laugh, thanks for the great content Justin!
that MSR tho! who from R&D let this through?!?!?
thanks Justin... we love you brother!
The comments on the Zenbivy are disappointing. I love my 25 degree quilt and fast sheet. The whole system is as complicated as pad straps on any other quilt.
What is the black and red quilt please
EE Enigma or EE Revelation Apex
I feel a little bad for Justin after reading the comments some of you are making.
how do you clean your hands after using the bidet
Powdered soap. geni.us/Pika-GGG
Nice Nemo tent! Which model are you testing out?
Dragonfly
@@JustinOutdoors Can't wait to hear about it!
I'm either going to pick up a Hornet 3P or a Dragonfly 2P/3P for this summer
Have the same tiny flashlight. It is awesome.
Rovyvon A8. 3 levels of white light: Dim, really-bright, and 650-lumens-of-why-is-the-sun-up-at-this-hour? Red for saving night vision (and has flashing modes as well). UV for entertaining you by discovering body fluids in motel rooms-- I guess. Anyway, it is neat. Strong pocket-clip with a powerful magnet, plus hole for adding wrist or neck strap. USB-C, and glowing charge status indicator. Best flashlight I have ever had.
Zen bivy uses duck down which is a huge deal breaker for that amount of money it's more of a scam imo
What Nemo tent is that when you are reviewing the Zen Bivvy? Thank you
Dragonfly
This is probably a dumb question, but when pooping in the woods, do you leave your pants around your ankles? Seems like you might get poop on them.
Just reverse the pillow 180*
So that what is currently under your neck would be at the top of your head and vice versa
Great reviews, thanks for sharing!
Very nice and helpful video!
This is a very entertaining yet informative content 👌
That flashlight isn't nu25 V2, it's nu25 UL, another model
Both are technically version 2 of the NU25. The non-UL version just has a slightly different headband (is still terrible in my opinion though).
@@JustinOutdoors not worth the 400lu gain?
Put the wedge shape pillow the other way its way better
Like I mentioned in another reply, I tried it both ways multiple times.
I like that little flashlight. Looks like you can just clip it onto a hat to use handsfree too if need be
@@helpfulcommenterJupiter is just a wealth of info. between him and Justin the amount i've learned has saved my butt many times
I had it hanging in a snow cave all night, with the ambient setting, and it lasted all night just fine. I taught it would die, like so much other affordable tech at that temperature, but it held up. I don't keep any "safe queens".
@@helpfulcommenter Safe queen is from Chess, meaning a (valuable) piece that you don't take out in fear of losing it.
A safe queen is a safety risk to me, because I don't know the limitations. I had a Protrek watch, branded as able to survive in those cold conditions, jet it temporarily shut down on day two. Now I know its actual limitation and can still use it in slightly warmer conditions.
Another way to use the Bidet is to take a larger bucket of water and pour below where your final spine bone and your buttchecks are. This is what you will find in most of Asia. I personally hate this it feels very weird but if you dont like the stream of water on you down there and want sth more gentle and have access to a lot more water this might work for you
A bucket of water? On a backpacking trip?
I can't justify the price of zenbivy
umm have you tried to place the pillow the other way, like neck part to be on top near the head?
I was excited for a lightsaber turned out to be a little flashlight... thanks for crushing my dreams.
Did you have a cold or dental work in this vid? I feel like you sound different lol
Great video! Thanks for the content!
Stuffed up nose!
I think you need a really clean break for that bidet to work.😂🤢
Not gunna lie, I was wondering about that 😅... I guess the cloth isn't that hard to clean and dry on trips.
Nope, because you're getting in there with your hand. Check out the video I like to at the end of this one!
I've been using the bidet for 3 years at home and on trail. I feel like the cleaner and higher fiber diet you have, the easier clean up is. Once I added about a teaspoon of psyllium husk fiber to my daily diet, I reduced my toilet paper consumption by 1/3 (pre-bidet), literally, because I now have "ghost wipes". With the bidet, everything is super clean... no extra hand scrubbing required. Enjoy! 😂