Q: i hear a lot of people say that the british 15 inch gun was obsolete by ww2 standards, how so? and what modifications would you make to the design to bring them up to standard? also, why didn't the british continue using/developing the 15 inch gun for newer ships post ww1 like the nel/rods and KGV's?
Q: would Bismarck be as remembered if the other axis battleships like yamato and the litorios did more stuff and actually had fights against other battleships
Drach, for your 'visual identification' question response, I'm surprised there was no mention of night recognition issues that the IJN had with recognizing USS Washington and South Dakota at the second night Battle of Guadalcanal. The INJ lookouts identified the two battleships as 'cruisers' until they trained searchlights on South Dakota, and a lookout on Atago identified Washington as a battleship just before she fired on the Kirishima.
In the book "Blazing Star, Setting Sun", the description of this battle includes multiple reports by Japanese destroyers from the earlier part of the action that correctly identified the US ships as battleships. Kondo repeatedly rejected these reports as inaccurate because 1) up until that point the US had never used battleship in Iron Bottom Sound, and 2) earlier reports during the day by Japanese scout planes had identified them as cruisers.
Your discussion of "vanta black" resonates with me. I painted my Cessna 172 in a blue used by USAF for vehicles in the past. I did paint some broad, yellow bands on the wings. Many people thought this a variation of "Blue Angels" colors. Tower controllers LOVED IT! I often received compliments from tower guys that they were able to see me at far greater distances than typical, "white with trim color" machines.
RE one nation's planes landing on another's carriers. In a book I read about USS Enterprise (IIRC it was "The Big E" by Edwin Stafford, but I could be misremembering) there was an account mentioned from the Battle of the Phillipine Sea (the 'Turn on the lights' incident) where a Japanese plane attempted to land on the Enterprise. According to the account, it tried to land 3 times, apparently being foiled each time by differences between USN and IJN landing signals. The explanation was that essentially US LSO signals were meant to inform the pilot of his position relative to the carrier, and Japanese ones were intended to tell the pilot where to go. So if a US LSO holds his paddles high he's telling the pilot "You are high", whereas a Japanese LSO making the same gesture would mean "You need to climb". This would be the biggest issue, assuming the plane in question would be able to operate on a foreign carrier, to it actually doing so; Are the pilots and deck crews able to understand each other's signals? While there are plenty of similarities between how different nations' carriers operated in WWII, the Devil is in the details, and little glitches in communication can cause Bad Things to happen.
In 1958, an Israeli helicopter pilot, short on fuel, landed on board the USS Wasp, which was on station in the eastern Mediterranean. When asked what he was doing landing on a US carrier, he replied "I thought it was one of ours."
In WWII the British lent the Americans HMS Victorious when the USA was down to just one carrier. The Yanks promptly renamed it USS Robin and it had no trouble handling American planes fighting against the Japanese.
Regarding unusual items recovered from wrecks, I highly recommend the Mariners Museum in Newport News, Virginia and their exhibits, particularly that of the USS Monitor. The objects they brought up from the Monitor's wreck (including the turret and its Dahlgren guns) and the ongoing preservation are fascinating.
I imagine that the "What If Sealion" video will be an absolute beast to put together, but its definitely a Drach video that I will be looking forward to
@@mikhailiagacesa3406somehow take out the RAF (replace Goering?), spam gliders and transport planes and train more paratrooper divisions, airlift everything, win?
16:05 What Drach said here is broadly on point, but if you want more specific info on that, you can google the article: 'Bird-head devices on Mediterranean ships'. It is a study specifically aimed at akrostolion (pl. akrostolia, the bow ornament) and aphlaston (pl. aphlasta, the stern ornament), although the bottom lines remains there is still much argument as to their use and such longevity unchanged. Also it may be counterintuitive, but studies show for a given thickness of wood the ancient mortise and tenon construction is exceptionally stronger than more modern plank on frame. The main reason it was abandoned is that it requires a massive amount of material (planks need a minimum thickness for a slot to be cut into it without breaking), and very time-consuming. Planks on frames could be much thinner, and therefore easier to work with, and took less material than building a shell-first hull. So if anyone would have magically found enough wood to build a ship of line shell-first, it would have been stronger than a plank on frame hull. The caveat to that is, it would have been if the planks were the same thickness, but a ship like Victory has a hull about 60 cm (2 ft) thick, from four to six times the thickness of the largest shell-first plank ever found in a wreck.
01:17:16 Just an FYI: The eight Sealand SL-7 container ships of the 1970's (now Algol Class Fast Sealift Ships) with 120,00 Hp were capable of 33kts and operated at 27 kts. Likely the only cargo ships ever capable of such speed. When the fuel price increased in the 70's operating costs skyrocketed, and Sealand was never able to operate them at a profit. For sure speed comes at great cost. The Navy acquired them in the early 1980s, and are now part of the ready reserve fleet.
Meet the B-Class Container Ships for Maersk.....built from 2006 onwards...top speed 37 knots, cruise speed 29 knots... Similar story to the SL-7...most of them were laid up in Loch Striven when the financial crisis hit. But they've since been able to operate economically at lower speeds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_M%C3%A6rsk_Boston
When the _Kentucky_ was scrapped, the machinery was divided in two sets and used to power the _Sacramento_ and _Camden_ fast combat support ships. 53,000 tons full displacement, 100,000 hp on two screws, rated for 30 knots.
@@SynchroScore Sucked fuel from both in 1972 & 73. I remember the Camden AOE2 had a placard that mimicked the AVIS ad of the time saying "We'er No.2 We Try Harder"
25:00 the Japanese actually never stopped with the tradition of not armouring their battleships against their own main guns; the Yamatos had no immunity zone against their main battery (which says more about their guns than their armour to be honest), with the exception of their turret face.
May I ask where you got this information? As far as I've have heard the Yamatos did have an immunity zone against there own guns. Mostly at longer ranges as they had a thick 410 mm (16.1 in) angled belt at 20 degrees and very good deck armor. I'm interested to read any refences you have that say they didn't. Thanks. Edit: I found in two different places online: "immunity zone against 46cm (18.1″) shells at ranges between 21,800 and 32,800 yards." for the Yamatos. Again this could be incorrect but I can't find anything anywhere that practically says they "don't have an immunity zone against there own guns".
@@willpat3040 Did that analysis take metallurgy into account? Not that it’s the most important aspect of a warship’s protection-armour layout is far more relevant and the Yamatos got that right outside of their TDS-but it might still have influenced the results somewhat when it came to very specific calculations like this, especially given the massive AP capabilities of the Japanese 18.1” gun. If I recall it was this issue with metallurgy that led to the Yamatos having armour that was “only” quite well-protected (which is, frankly, still superior deck and belt protection than those of just about any other contemporary battleship design save the KGVs), instead of being insanely well-protected as on-paper stats would indicate.
@@bkjeong4302 Fair question. After reading your comment (which surprised me as I never heard such a thing) I went looking through my book collection (which is lacking) and online. Most places will have a section on armament (about the 18.1 inch guns) and the armor (which lists the thicknesses) but only two sites online and none of my books talked about the immunity zone against their own guns. Both sites did have the same numbers however, so that's good. Now many Drydocks back Drach talked about the difference in quality of the armor between the British and Germany (the best) through the Italians and the Americans, and finally the Japanese etc. If I remember correctly Drach stated (along with Ryan from Battleship New Jersey) that there isn't a HUGE difference. As in the British may be 5-10% more effective than the American and the American may be at most 5-10% above the Japanese but in the end there wasn't a "quantum leap" in how good the very best was over the very worse. Face hardened Krupp steel is still Face hardened Krupp steel. After looking it up further the Japanese only had trouble with the 22inch plus faceplate on there turrets. Only above 20 inches did they struggle with the quality of the amour. The deck and belt armor on the Yamato were of similar quality as you might find on everyone else's ships. There was just much more of it.
Vantablack would have quite the psychological effect on your enemy, regardless of aiming problems; I'd certainly be creeped out if a large, vaguely boat-shaped shadow loomed up and started shooting at me.
27 knots on a merchant ship ;O that's like light speed for us! I started my career on a fruit carreer, that one sailign with cargo that can rot, and needs to go to market fast, topped out at 23 knots. Currently working on heavy lift carreers. we do indeed cruise in the 12 to 16 kn, depending on the schedule and contract and such. But absolute top is 18 knots but then we are overclocking the engine. But the hull is not designed for it, there is just extra power installed to push trough the ice if we go up north (or south) or to maintain speed longer in bad weather. I never did push the engine to that range tho, and cannot imagine situations that would be necesary other then SHTF situation, like being in the black sea in feb'22 that would be a: nope lets get out of here NOW situation, where fuel consumption could be ignored for a few hours.
It's important to remember that one of the most successful German merchant raiders in the First World War started life as a banana boat called Pongo. Never under estimate the speed and power of fruit carriers!
I thought this might be the case, i commented on that video saying i thought they went about 18 knots and had vast quantities of replys saying i was wrong and they go 27-30 so the refrigerator containers dont run out of diesel (thinks to myself, why not make them plug in to the ships electricity)
@Notmah Cuppatea reefer containers are indeed plugged into the electrical power supply on the ship! On shore/trucks they might be hooked up to their own generator module.
0:22:36 I imagine that the Enlisted members of the Aurora were extremely happy to be interned by the US, especially if they were removed from the ship and put ashore in barracks! (A noticeable increase in the quality of the food they got to eat would be (just) the first major difference!)
@@aceous99 now I am just picturing some US marines finding a torpedo boat from somewhere, painting a Japanese flag on it, and parking it right outside the door
Re longbows: A big area for me as I am currently writing my second book (England's Livery Wars). I think Robert Hardy mentioned two longbows and two arrows surviving from the medieval period prior to the discovery of the Mary Rose.
I worked at Philly Shipyard, on the site of the former Philadelphia Navy Yard. Dry Docks 4 and 5 were built together and originally had the ability to share cranes, via a loop around the dry dock service building in the middle (Building 620) (Edit to add building number)
R.E. intelligence gathering in Japan, Moe Berg, backup catcher for the Cleveland Indians, was on a barnstorming tour in Japan with Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, and others in 1934 and, as the story goes, secretly filmed the Tokyo skyline and harbor with a movie camera from the roof of a hospital building. How he came to do this or how the film was delivered to the US government is unclear, but it was allegedly used in planning the Doolittle raid.
Hi Drach, Thank you for your comments on writing good alternate history (1:28:30). I've tried to be very careful with this when writing my 'Republic of Texas Navy' series, taking one basic change, (Texas remaining independent) and working out how thinks might change from that departure point. So far, the first two books have been fairly well received, which hopefully means I've been doing it right.
@@DABrock-author Sounds intriguing, tbh. Both in general and specifically w.r.t. Gensoul (if you mean the WW2 officer commanding the French ships at Mers el Kebir?) Another typical French perspective on Albion perfide there! 😁
@@squirepraggerstope3591 Thank you for your interest. I don’t want to post links on Drachinifel’s channel without his permission, but you should be able to find my books by searching Amazon / Kindle for my name and ‘Republic of Texas Navy’. And yes, I was referring to the French admiral from Mers el Kebir.
In the case of alternate histories, one of the more interesting ones I've seen, is a series a friend of mine was working on. It centers around a rather plausible scenario where Hitler, and much of his inner circle, are killed in a plane crash just prior to the start of WW2. With the 'head of the snake' cut off, he's been toying around with what changes both politically and war wise that would bring about, as it makes Stalin the 'big bad' in the scenario. This has been used in a series of short stories, but also in our wargaming sessions to produce some very interesting, and plausible scenarios.
I think alternate history is great fiction. It is not, by definition, history. What is really bad for understanding history are the revisionist BS artists (like the 1619 project) where historical facts are replaced by ideological or political propaganda. This kind of thing is never an introduction to historical study, but a gateway to silencing actual historical study. A great example of how that works is the "Lost Cause" mythology that has grown around the US "Civil" War. It takes the perspective of the entire war out of its actual historical context (that of a War of Secession to preserve slavery) to a twisted concept of a war for the preservation of "honor" or "state's rights". Both the 1619 project and the lost cause myths are great examples of ripping history out of a proper contextual setting to make a political movement grow, and ultimately they both do the same thing--turn the actual history into something it was not. This is not "alternate history" like the Turtledove novels, but really just propaganda, but both have been quite successful at stifling all actual historical discussion.
We had 'The Munich Disease'; flu outbreak in 1938 does in all major national leaders, ex. Stalin, Roosevelt and Hirohito. Used GDW's Grand Europa. Much fun.
@@nco_gets_it listen here bud, I like the idea of honor, and succession, while against the notions of owning people. That said, you have it backwards, and the confederate flag is not racist. I suspect you were not there, do not really know, just spouting some verses of a song you learned. You do understand victors write that history? Survivors tell their tales, but burning , raping, pillaging, is not Honorable, and freed none, My understanding is Drach has no love of politics and propaganda in his content, get yourself a teaching position and or a political office, those folks love that there.
48:11 Interesting you pointed out the Corsairs. The British as I recall DID have to cut some length off the wingspans to let them fit under deck with their wings folded. So at its face, the Corsair DID have some issues operating from British carriers.
The note about Vantablack at night reminded me that, in fact, ninjas wore BLUE clothing at night because it blended in better than black. so if you wanted to hide a ship at night, use blue. ...granted, painting a ship dark blue might cause issues in broad daylight and given the size and speed of the things, the likelihood of what time of day an engagement would happen would have to do with what time of year and what location it'd happen in. so maybe not the BEST idea...
Time 52 minutes: PSNS in Bremerton WA has rail tracks for the cranes to navigate the shipyard. It makes sense that nearly all major shipyards would use this method. You know the track and size of mobile crane, therefore you can safely move 2 passed each other. Only problems we had were movements restricting foot travel while a crane was moved up or down a dock. Or the few times a crane hit a power line and knocked out our shore power. Incidentally, that happened in the first 10 minutes the 3 of us new guys arrived to USS OHIO. LOL entire room went dark, being part of engineering department, everyone but us had flashlights and that was the first tool I bought on my way home.
Your mention of the _Maersk Boston_ got me looking at some of their other ships, and they can be surprisingly fast. The Maersk E Class is rated at 25.5 knots on 149,000 installed horsepower. Not too shabby for what was the largest container ship in the world when built.
Always appreciate you answering my question (about 6th Battle Squadron), but you neglected to answer the second part: what would have happened if they came to blows.
When I first started watching your channel some years ago I really didn't like it that much, being an old wargamer (I started the hobby back in 1971.) getting more historical information on some of famous battles that me my friends and me used to re-fight, at first on table tops and then via computer, just kept building my interest as time went by. At this this point I'm 65 year olds and have become quite the amateur historian thatnks in part to you and your webite. The last war game I played was a recreation of WW2 in the Pacific called naturally enough, War in the Pacific by MAtrix games. It came out in 2008 and each turn was a day in real time. It covers Naval, ground, and airforces in the Pacific theatre of WW2. Thanks for all of the information that you provided and the clarifications that came along with all of your episodes. BTW, this game covered all the ships in WW2 on all of combatant's sides from Pearl Harbor until September 1945 and eay of game times equalled. Great stuff really. I have played just about every type of naval warfare and the battles that went alongthat's occurred in history, from Actium up to and including Jutland. Modern warfare was covered mostly by a game called Harpoon. It's quite old now but it's still accurate enough historically to keep one's attention. Again thank you very much for all of the work that you've put in over the years. Keep it up, I'm not in any danger of getting board yet!
Regarding visual similarities between vessels, I read somewhere that in the Bismark, Prinz Eugen / Hood, Prince of Wales encounter the Prinz Eugen was leading Bismark and the, at least initial British Salvos were concentrated on Prinz Eugen.
@51:00 Another point to be made in favor of movable cranes would be flexibility. If you're docks are full each individual crane can service multiple ships the same day. It's not like a ship needs a crane dedicated to it 24 hours/day and they can run those things 24/7 when necessary. 2 hours loading/offloading ship A, 6 hours loading/offloading ship B, etc...
Thanks for that beautiful shot of the Renown, not even my favorite British ship, The Hood followed by Vanguard. Beautiful camo scheme, whether it was good or not IDK?
In theory WW1 warships could have carried a proto radar device invented by Hülsmeyer and patented in 1904 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_H%C3%BClsmeyer ). But the navy was not interested because the device was marketed as a tool to prevent ship collisions and it was argued that foghorns had a greater range than this. Given that is was a very early development it lacked the ability to give directions and the ranging was only rudimentary. So, in its original form it was of little use for warships in battle. Had it been developed further in the decade before WW1, it could have become a game changer but it was not and fell into obscurity so completely that (to my knowledge) no later radar invention took inspiration from it.
The Vancouver Maritime Museum has some nicely put-together displays. Outside is a bathoscaph which was used to chart the Gulf--Stream. Inside, the original St. Rich, the first vessel to circumnavigate the Americas, I believe. RCMP vessel.
For the defense of Pearl Harbor, I agree with the need for several hours to bring the naval units up to full readiness to oppose the air strike, but even with less time much could have been done, to bring each individual ship to general quarters with guns manned and ready and full watertight integrity set, and at least destroyers could have been getting steam up and moving out of the harbor. This would go along with the message from the USS Ward (about attacking a submarine of the harbor mouth), which was sent at 0653 (about an hour before the start of the Japanese air attack), being quickly passed up to Admiral Kimmel, and him then ordering a full alert (and Admiral Bloch concurring for the 14th District installations). The real problem was that almost all of the army aircraft were parked "wingtip to wingtip" in the middle of the airfields for "security", and it would have taken at least 4 hours to get the fighters armed, ready and in position for takeoff. That would have been well before the Japanese strike group even took off.
Drach, I was shocked, shocked, to hear you say "irregardless" at 2:09:39 of Drydock 232 (Part 1). Disirregardless of its having crept into some dictionaries, "irregardless" isn't a word.
00:57:18 - Did navies ever consciously design destroyers/cruisers/battleships to look similar to each other to confuse visual identification? Captain Langsdorff " We sighted two destroyers and another ship. It wasn't till we closed with them that I realized they were cruisers. By that time, we'd already joined them in battle. I couldn't take my eyes off them. They came at me like destroyers. They kept coming at me. I couldn't believe that they'd dare do this unless they were supported by bigger ships. I thought they were trying to drive me out into the guns of bigger ships." The Battle of the River Plate
Nazi commerce raider Steir encountered the USS Stephen Hopkins in the south Atlantic. The USN Armed Guard fought two 37 mm antitank guns and a single 4” gun with the assistance of the merchant marine crew. After sinking the the Hopkins, the captain of the Steir determined the Hopkins gunfire had wrecked the Stiers engine room and he was forced to scuttle. Lucky for him a support vessel was able to take his crew and allied Pows aboard. When he filed his action report with the kriegsmarine, he claimed he has lost his ship to an Allied cruiser.
The range in WoW is ridiculously reduced by the velocity so the shells fired from 15"/42 actually land 45 degrees angle at 18 km which exaggerate the effectiveness of angling the ship. In the real world those angles and ranges the game forces players to play at, the shells are more likely penetrate than not. And I don't think the penetration physics are correct either. I vividly remember Normandie hit a Doria at 45 degree angle 6 km away with AP shells and everything bounced off.
Many artifacts are created around map compression. Ballistics vs 'travel' distance is completely wack. I do think they kind of try to mimic the penetration ballistics a little bit (but scaled) in order to please the historical crowd a little bit, but 20km on the gun is not 20 km of in game distance, ship speed, or actual shell travel time. I am actually more surprised somebody might contemplate WoWs trying to be even a little realistic in the year 2023. Five years ago I can see the case, but just like WoT before her, WoWs has dropped all the charades and gone Free to Play - give us your wallet - Arcade. Are Drach and Alex II stil doing Armchair Admirals?
The other issue caused by the compressed range is that accuracy for battleship main guns is all wonky (far higher than they would have been at what was expected to be their main fighting ranges, but also far too low for what’s essentially their in-game point-blank range). Oh, and the carriers somehow even being on the map AT ALL, when they would be sailing around way off the map launching aircraft into the map area or at each other. People keep harping on about CV cancer when carriers in fact have been massively nerfed in that aspect compared to how they operated historically.
@@bkjeong4302 The biggest problem for wonky accuracy isn't just the range being short but rather the fact that the range is known and no rangefinding is needed. But the game kind of make this clear that they have no interest in realism.
Possibly the least accurate thing about WOWS is torpedoes. Not the damage they can do, but how even a dinky little WW1 torpedo boat (a) can reload its tubes in around a minute and (b) actually has reloads at all. I get that the devs wanted to balance things so that DDs could actually compete (and maybe even survive) in close action with BBs and cruisers, but historically one of the things that destroyer skippers were very conscious of was that they'd only get one shot from their torpedo tubes, so they really needed to pick a time when they'd have the best chance of getting hits, which is completely absent from the game. Mind you, I do like playing WOWS, I just always thought it could do a better job of reflecting actual naval combat in the period. The whole thing about not turning your side to the enemy in the game, when in real combat it's absolutely what you want to do, first because it lets you shoot more guns at the other ship, and second because shells that missed a target at medium to long ranges were more likely to fall short or long rather then missing left or right. So turning end-on to the target would both reduce your ability to respond by masking some of your own guns, and place your ship in a better space to collect some of those under- or over-shoots that would otherwise have missed.
My main peeve when i was playing wow bbs (2 years ago, console version) was the comparatively overboosted ranges and accuracy of dd +cc arrnament, particularly compared to the derisory effect of secondaries on a bb. Torp autoloaders was obviously a technology that my ww1~ww2 books did not think worth mentioning.
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1) Good to hear the Wisdom if Sir Humphrey. 2)During Desert Storm/Shield, I heard the same explanation, (Me against...) from a minor member of the Saudi royal family. He and I were classmates.
23:29 In WW I, the US left German caretaker crews on the German liners and merchantmen that we interned. After our declaration of war, those caretakers did cripple many of those ships, but only for a short term. The US put them to use and a number of liners ended up as US War reparations. Interpretation of international law was also interesting. The US interned those ships (maybe with Imperial Germany's approval), but didn't inter the cargo sub Deutschland, which made two trips to the US in 1916.
David Dawson who plays King Alfred in Bernard Cornwell's The Last Kingdom would make a pretty darn good Nelson. Similar build, right age and a great actor. Having Sean Bean running around the movie as Sharpe would be fun even if historically ridiculous. See "Sharpe's Trafalgar "
Been watching a bunch of shipwreck videos recently. I have probably a better answer for ancient ships raised sterns. Those are likely raised to protect them from following seas that can swamp the boat, same as raised bows protect against waves coming over bow. Apparantly following seas can actually be more dangerous to "small" boats the size triremes would've been.
Just as a point of interest, I thought I'd share something today. I live about 2 miles away, and on the same road, as Ft. Saulsbury, in Delaware, USA. Ft. Saulsbury held WWII German & Italian P.O.W.s. It remains largely intact, and it is the only current day privately owned former US fort installation. The P.O.W.s were used as labor in the immediate area in the '40s & earned a small amount for their labor, I'm told. A bus was used to take them into town where the older residents here can recall seeing them brought in to buy from the local shops, once or twice a week- under armed supervision. Ft. Saulsbury's current owner does not want to know from present day visitors on their property and, from what I've heard, are willing to assert their rights to keep people away- make of it what you will..... 🚬😎
During the "battle of Lofoten" the S&G was led by admiral Lutchens (the same guy that did all the misstakes with Bismarck). And even thou both sides had discoverd the enemyforces long before action started, the German ships held there fire for 6 minutes !, while beeing under fire from Renown ! Still Gneisenau scored a hit on Renown, after only 2 minutes of shooting back at the British ship, while it took over 8 minutes for the British BC to score its first hit on the Jerry. The weather was difficult indeed, but with a more agressive commander S&G might very well been able to mission kill Renown. The German surface navy was often hamperd by hesitant commanders, during the DS battle Hood and PoW opened fire several minutes before Lutchens gave the order to shoot at the enemy.
00:57:18 - The WWI Brummer-class minelaying cruisers were specifically designed to resemble the British Arethusa-class cruisers, so as to make it easier for these ships to operate in British waters. The disguise was also effective when both ships were used to waylay an allied convoy from Norway.
Years ago, one of the history magazines (I'm not sure if it was Smithsonian or American Heritage,) devoted an issue to Alternative History; the consensus seemed to be that Alternative History could be good entertainment, but, because of all the "extra steps" required to get the desired results (Nazi victory in WW2, Confederate victory in the Civil War, etc.,) its only real value would be to show why events turned out the way they really did.
The question I'm most interested in as I hear it so often in these QandA's is what does the username "Texas and La shock" even mean, why was that chosen as a username?
Drachinifel - where did you do the analysis of the penetration / hit probabilities? I can't recall the video, and don't see anything on the list. (that's re: question from 30:00 , 33:30)
Regarding my question about the Diesel engine I have some more information for you which I assumed you where aware of (me working in interal combustion engine development might have something to do with that). For piston engines the power to weight ratio decreases with engine size (with a factor of roughly 1/D, D being the bore diameter). Hence the large marine Diesel engine have very low power to weight ratios of 30 W/kg or less while e.g. passenger car Diesel engine can go up more than 1000 W/kg. In contrast the power to weight ratio of turbomachinery does not depend on the size of the machine. E.g. I recall modern gas turbines having roughly 1-2 kW/kg regardless of whether it's a 300 kW aircraft engine or a 20 MW turbine for electricity generation. That's why for applications where weight is very important like aviation, turbomachinery will pull ahead at fairly low power requirements. From my rough calculation I had assumed that steam turbines of that time had higher power densities. For example: I calculate a Flechter-class to have 22.5 W per kg of standard displacent. I don't know how much of that displacement is taken up by the engines but assuming it is less that half the "old" steam turbine powerplant would still outperform modern Diesels in power density.
I remember looking at a marine engine in a museum. It was as big as my house. If they get big enough they will be too heavy to propel any raft big enough to support them.
Interesting point about the 1/D scaling of power/weight of diesel engines. I don't work on this topic, so I trust your judgement more than my own, but I would have assumed sort of the opposite, namely some kind of volume (power generation in a cylinder) vs. surface area (structural things holding the engine together) scaling. Can you expand a bit on that comment and explain what causes this scaling?
@@jbepsilon The power of an ICE is P = p_me * i * n * z * V_h, where P is the effective power, p_me is the mean effective pressure, i is the number of engine cycles per revolution (0.5 for four-stroke engines, 1 for two-stroke engines), n is the engine speed, z is the number of cylinders and V_h is the displacement per cylinder (I'm using German abbreviations here because that's what I'm used to). p_me, i and z don't scale with engine size, V_h scales with D^3 and n scales with 1/D. This means that overall the engine power scales with D^2, while the engine weight scales with D^3 thus power density being P/m scales with 1/D. The critical part is the 1/D scaling of the engine speed which is caused by mechnical limitations of the cranktrain (connnecting rod and crankshaft in particular).
@@gibbel4619 I like your formula, as a gearhead I looked at power as cubic inch, compression ratio, revolutions per minute. Sort of CIDxCRxRPM. I did drop small blocks when leaded went away as I lost CR rather focusing on CID albeit heavier. Love and learn, but I like your formula.
@@Driver-ur9mf If you only look at naturally aspirated (NA) spark-ignition engines, it's a decent approximation since the mean effective pressure you can achieve with a NA engines increases with a higher compression ratio. For a turbocharged (TC) engine this no longer holds true because of knock. For TC engines the maximum mean effective pressure you can achieve is higher with a lower CR. As an example of this. The NA engine in the Porsche 911 GT3 (from 2016) has a CR of 13.3 and achieves 92 kilowatts per liter while the turbocharged AMG M133 engine (at least the version of it I had on the test bench) achieves 140 kW/l with a CR of 8.6.
On main battery AAA: Bismarck famously and unsuccessfully tried firing all the main and secondary guns into the water at maximum depression in hope that the massive fountains thrown up would stop the rickety old Fairey Swordfish torpedo bombers (and it probably could've worked, if they'd managed to nail the timing/aimpoint -- I'm no engineer, but I deffs wouldn't want to be in a Swordfish intersecting with the splash from an 1800lb shell, but would think an Avenger could make it through) that ultimately all survived and scored one hit amidships that led to the ship's doom -- the later torpedo hit that jammed the rudder is often credited for sealing Bismarck's fate, but the fuel leak and flooding in the boiler rooms from that first torpedo caused the run to Brest and the reduction in speed that allowed KGV and Rodney to catch up. On Vantablack: See the old joke about nuclear submarines -- "you won't hear the boat, but you can hear the hole in the background noise." Also, USAF bombers/attack aircraft are generally painted a rather dark grey for the same reason (since at least the '91 Gulf war, they tend to kick in the metaphorical doors in the middle of the night*), while the pure fighters are camouflaged in two much lighter shades to blend with daytime sky/clouds. *also good advice for people literally breaking into places in the middle of the night, if anybody's thinking of getting into the burglary business.
Also, on dark-but-not-black bombers, I'm working in Bossier City, LA for the next couple of weeks, I'm seeing/hearing them a lot, being maybe a mile away from the departure end of the runway of Barksdale AFB. Also, amusingly, trying to find out how far from the base I am, Google Maps just noped out for presumably national security reasons, but says I'm 1.6 miles from the museum. Which is, unfortunately, on base grounds so I'd have to Know Somebody or jump through hoops to get in. (I was there once on a Boy Scout trip way back in the day just before Desert Storm, when security was less stringent, and it was really cool, they even let us out onto the apron to see the active-service B-52s, and I got my picture taken with the crew of Better Duck II.)
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At the question of spies in Japan, I was told to lace up naval boots horizontally and importantly, If one spotted a matelot wearing shoes laced at 45' he could well be a Japanese spy. I did think that there might have been more obvious give-aways.
96k views but only 1.7k likes? I don't understand. Shouldn't that be 96k likes? Yes, yes it SHOULD be 96k likes. Come on, people! Get with the program.
Carrier-compatibilty: Not a space/mass consideration. Are aircraft somehow connected to the catapult for launch? And if so would those attachments be universal enough?
Who do you think would win in a one ship say a razee frigate versus a similar ship between Nelson and Cochrane? Plus the same match up with each man commanding a a small squadron?
29:40 Kaiser and König do not have any World War II hulls sadly. Kaiser's is the hypothetical modernization but with a pair of WWII era twin 8.8 cm DP guns and gets an extra pair on the upgraded hull. König is also only in her hypothetical modernization but her Hull A lacks the wackeltopf (those ball towers) but they show up on Hull B. König Albert, however, is pretty much historical WWI Kaiser-class model. As for the battlecruisers, Von der Tann, Moltke, Derfflinger, and Mackensen all appear to be in their WWI configurations through and through. But starting with Prinz Heinrich (Ersatz Yorck) and subsequent ships, it is 100% hypothetical modernizations. Out of all of their hypothetical modernizations for German ships, real or paper, the only ones I actually think are done accurately to what Germany would’ve done is Prinz Heinrich (Ersatz Yorck) and Prinz Eitel Friedrich (modernized Mackensen). Everything else just looks ridiculous or nonsensical, especially Anhalt and the battlecruisers with the Graf Zeppelin casemates. 2:36:30 If anyone wants to see this interesting design in full 3D, I recommend downloading the mobile game Naval Creed Warships (as there is, sadly, no wiki for the game). It is the battleship IJN Izumi in that game.
Regarding Michael Griffith’s question (1:50.46) about U.S. and British intelligence gathering operations in Japan in the prewar years, you might wish to review the book “Secret Missions” (1946 Van Rees Press) by Rear Admiral Zacharias M. Ellis. Ellis provides interesting insight into U.S. efforts and unrealized plans to gather intelligence in Japan using methods other than code breaking, recounting his own visits to Japan during the 1920s, as well as his cultivation of relationships with mid-level and senior Japanese officers who had assignments in the U.S. I note that Ellis was regarded as something of a loose cannon. His pronounced racial views and factual assertions debunked in the years following war’s end make “Secret Missions” an uneven read, but the book is nevertheless fascinating.
1:50:00 Dr Mark Felton has extensive coverage about allied intelligence activities in the far East on one or both of His channels. Mark is to WWII history as Drach is to naval history, priceless !:-)
A friend of the family, my mother joined the Navy in 1938, I think the date is correct. I have his Hammock, not the bag just the Hammock. When he joined the navy, u carried your Hammock from ship to ship. I also have a pillow case of the USS Pennsylvania dated 1919. When a sailor was stationed on a ship, they would send this pillow back to mom. I don’t have the stuffing, just the case. Can send a picture if u like. On Essex Class they hung aircraft from the ceiling of the hanger ceiling. What thought was cool, it was the Brit’s navy who learned how to land a F4U aircraft on a carrier. U can’t come from straight from behind the carrier, u can’t see ship. U landed by turning from port side turn and land your aircraft on stern so u can see carrier deck. U made a half circle to to land the plane on stern of ship. U understand what I’m saying yes?? Also I believe u can takeoff from hanger aircraft from hanger of Essex Class carrier. U know the US built a underground airstrip on Oahu, was under a pineapple field. Think it’s still there.
Nelson's accent would be interesting. Lady Hamilton, despite how she was portrayed in the film 'That Hamilton Woman,' had a Lancashire accent. So should Nelson have been given a Norfolk accent.
Time 1:52 Morrison reports that the Japanese forces on Betio Is in the Gilbert's were accurately predicted by a field sanitation document collected in the middle 30s by a military attache in Tokyo
Many car and truck repair places pay to have their waste oil removed by a Haz-Mat company to be safely disposed of. What the Haz-Mat companies do to safely dispose of the oil is to run it through a very course filter, mix in other petroleum to balance the mixture, then sell it to shipping companies as fuel.
From a literary standpoint, alternative history is to history as science fiction is to science, a way of writing about current issues from a fictional perspective. Where alternative history turns into wishcasting is when you try to apply it to a political point of view. For example, American neo-isolationists present a world of unicorns and rainbows if only warmonger Wilson stayed out of WWI. However, there are an equal number of just as bad or worse outcomes if the Kaiser does not approve renewed unrestricted submarine warfare and involve the United States in the war.. There is also a subset of neo-isolationists who confuse the behavior of the Kaiserreich with the Third Reich but that is a different story. It can be useful to use alternative decisions to evaluate different possible outcomes either through wargaming or other means. Drach's recent what if for the Second Pacific Squadron and the Dogger Bank incident is a good example of a good use of alternative history. Beyond the operational level there are too many variables to say anything meaningful about alternative outcomes and alternative history becomes wishcasting.
On the measures taken to prevent interned ships escaping: isn’t it an unfriendly act to break/sneak an interned ship out of internment? If nothing else, isn’t it an uninvited warship in territorial waters, not exercising innocent passage, and therefore an act of war? I’ll try and look in to the current position that Drach wondered about at the start of the answer, but I don’t think my Law of Armed Conflict texts address the consequences of breaking/sneaking out.
On ships disguising their profile didn't the WW1 German commerce raider SMS Emden (3 funnels) rig a fake funnel to look like a British 4 funneled cruiser?
The idea of your going to give Pearl harbor a warning at 4 AM on a Sunday? Half of the fleet and most of the Air corps were still sleeping off hangovers at 8 a.m.
Even a hungover fighter pilot is better than no fighter pilot. Plus adrenaline tends to mitigate the effects of hangovers at least temporarily. The hammering of machine guns wouldn’t be nice tho
@@danhaas9730 still, remember that the defense of Hawaii is still a split organization. It wasn't great communication Army and Navy. Not to mention the problems with long-range communications that day. It's a bit like 9/11. Even after we had ideas about the first hijacking, by the time we got planes in the air and on station. It was really too late to do anything.
I think the biggest difference for Halsey and Beaty is that even with the things you can rightly criticize Halsey also has great successes you can point to. Beaty doesn’t. Near as I can tell he essentially shit the bed in almost every major situation other than back room politics.
Wouldn't a 27 knot cruising speed essentially require turbine drive? I don't see a Triple Expansion being able to keep those revs up for an entire voyage.
As well as Royal Marine and Naval Divisions fighting in France in WW1, many of the railguns were manned by the Royal Navy. The heavy calibre guns used, mostly various marks of the 9.2 inch, were usually supplied by the navy. The guns were later handed over to the British Army when the navy decided being on land this long was just not for them. The army was rather underwhelmed by the navies generosity.
Correction on modern naval diesels needing modern diesel fuel. Many of them can run on heavy fuel oils like Bunker C and Bunker B the bigger the diesel the less it cares about fuel viscosity and quality because its bigger, and as a result doesn’t care as much about fuel quality like something small like a transport truck’s engine.
Just how much could a crew do to repair an age of sail frigate by putting ashore, say in South America and cutting down trees and such? I have a strong suspicion I know exactly which ship your questioner was referring to - HMS _Lydia_ (36), Captain Horatio Hornblower. _The Happy Return_ is the earliest of the novels, and CS Forester's naval lore is much shakier and less plausible than it later became.
!:17:16 Even a merchant ship group going in the range 15 to 20 (or 21) Knots would make the Wolfpack tactic all but impossible, especially if they used some of. those hulls for C.V.E. conversion to prevent the U-Boats from running on the surface close to the convoy... (Even 12 to 15 knots with a sprint out to 20 to 21 knots, which could let them "side step" a U-Boat group detected via "Huff Duff" (High Frequency Direction Finding) methods!)
Regarding "The Man in The High Castle" my 2nd favorite show of all time next to "Chernobyl", I got to know the local Vancouver actor who played the PR/Marketing supporting character for the American Reich. In case if anyone was wondering if that character was modeled after "Don Draper [from Mad Men] in a horrific alternative existence" that is 100% accurate!
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Q: i hear a lot of people say that the british 15 inch gun was obsolete by ww2 standards, how so? and what modifications would you make to the design to bring them up to standard?
also,
why didn't the british continue using/developing the 15 inch gun for newer ships post ww1 like the nel/rods and KGV's?
Did any nation conduct privateering operations during either World War?
Good Morning Drak! looking forward to weekly dose of history and tech
Q: would Bismarck be as remembered if the other axis battleships like yamato and the litorios did more stuff and actually had fights against other battleships
Why were manx "packets" mailships so important to the RN?
Drach, for your 'visual identification' question response, I'm surprised there was no mention of night recognition issues that the IJN had with recognizing USS Washington and South Dakota at the second night Battle of Guadalcanal. The INJ lookouts identified the two battleships as 'cruisers' until they trained searchlights on South Dakota, and a lookout on Atago identified Washington as a battleship just before she fired on the Kirishima.
57:18 USS Johnston laughs itself silly
In the book "Blazing Star, Setting Sun", the description of this battle includes multiple reports by Japanese destroyers from the earlier part of the action that correctly identified the US ships as battleships. Kondo repeatedly rejected these reports as inaccurate because 1) up until that point the US had never used battleship in Iron Bottom Sound, and 2) earlier reports during the day by Japanese scout planes had identified them as cruisers.
Your discussion of "vanta black" resonates with me. I painted my Cessna 172 in a blue used by USAF for vehicles in the past. I did paint some broad, yellow bands on the wings. Many people thought this a variation of "Blue Angels" colors. Tower controllers LOVED IT! I often received compliments from tower guys that they were able to see me at far greater distances than typical, "white with trim color" machines.
Vanta black = "None more black"
That comment took it up to eleven. And made my day, thank you. @@MonkeyJedi99
RE one nation's planes landing on another's carriers. In a book I read about USS Enterprise (IIRC it was "The Big E" by Edwin Stafford, but I could be misremembering) there was an account mentioned from the Battle of the Phillipine Sea (the 'Turn on the lights' incident) where a Japanese plane attempted to land on the Enterprise. According to the account, it tried to land 3 times, apparently being foiled each time by differences between USN and IJN landing signals. The explanation was that essentially US LSO signals were meant to inform the pilot of his position relative to the carrier, and Japanese ones were intended to tell the pilot where to go. So if a US LSO holds his paddles high he's telling the pilot "You are high", whereas a Japanese LSO making the same gesture would mean "You need to climb". This would be the biggest issue, assuming the plane in question would be able to operate on a foreign carrier, to it actually doing so; Are the pilots and deck crews able to understand each other's signals? While there are plenty of similarities between how different nations' carriers operated in WWII, the Devil is in the details, and little glitches in communication can cause Bad Things to happen.
In 1958, an Israeli helicopter pilot, short on fuel, landed on board the USS Wasp, which was on station in the eastern Mediterranean. When asked what he was doing landing on a US carrier, he replied "I thought it was one of ours."
In WWII the British lent the Americans HMS Victorious when the USA was down to just one carrier. The Yanks promptly renamed it USS Robin and it had no trouble handling American planes fighting against the Japanese.
Regarding unusual items recovered from wrecks, I highly recommend the Mariners Museum in Newport News, Virginia and their exhibits, particularly that of the USS Monitor. The objects they brought up from the Monitor's wreck (including the turret and its Dahlgren guns) and the ongoing preservation are fascinating.
I imagine that the "What If Sealion" video will be an absolute beast to put together, but its definitely a Drach video that I will be looking forward to
It's a bear. Once ashore as the Germans, if the British want to screw the invasion (worst case scenario), they just start blowing up ports.
@@mikhailiagacesa3406somehow take out the RAF (replace Goering?), spam gliders and transport planes and train more paratrooper divisions, airlift everything, win?
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16:05 What Drach said here is broadly on point, but if you want more specific info on that, you can google the article: 'Bird-head devices on Mediterranean ships'. It is a study specifically aimed at akrostolion (pl. akrostolia, the bow ornament) and aphlaston (pl. aphlasta, the stern ornament), although the bottom lines remains there is still much argument as to their use and such longevity unchanged.
Also it may be counterintuitive, but studies show for a given thickness of wood the ancient mortise and tenon construction is exceptionally stronger than more modern plank on frame. The main reason it was abandoned is that it requires a massive amount of material (planks need a minimum thickness for a slot to be cut into it without breaking), and very time-consuming. Planks on frames could be much thinner, and therefore easier to work with, and took less material than building a shell-first hull. So if anyone would have magically found enough wood to build a ship of line shell-first, it would have been stronger than a plank on frame hull. The caveat to that is, it would have been if the planks were the same thickness, but a ship like Victory has a hull about 60 cm (2 ft) thick, from four to six times the thickness of the largest shell-first plank ever found in a wreck.
01:17:16 Just an FYI: The eight Sealand SL-7 container ships of the 1970's (now Algol Class Fast Sealift Ships) with 120,00 Hp were capable of 33kts and operated at 27 kts. Likely the only cargo ships ever capable of such speed. When the fuel price increased in the 70's operating costs skyrocketed, and Sealand was never able to operate them at a profit. For sure speed comes at great cost. The Navy acquired them in the early 1980s, and are now part of the ready reserve fleet.
Time is money. How fast you want to spend? 😁
Meet the B-Class Container Ships for Maersk.....built from 2006 onwards...top speed 37 knots, cruise speed 29 knots...
Similar story to the SL-7...most of them were laid up in Loch Striven when the financial crisis hit. But they've since been able to operate economically at lower speeds.
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When the _Kentucky_ was scrapped, the machinery was divided in two sets and used to power the _Sacramento_ and _Camden_ fast combat support ships. 53,000 tons full displacement, 100,000 hp on two screws, rated for 30 knots.
@@SynchroScore Sucked fuel from both in 1972 & 73. I remember the Camden AOE2 had a placard that mimicked the AVIS ad of the time saying "We'er No.2 We Try Harder"
25:00 the Japanese actually never stopped with the tradition of not armouring their battleships against their own main guns; the Yamatos had no immunity zone against their main battery (which says more about their guns than their armour to be honest), with the exception of their turret face.
May I ask where you got this information? As far as I've have heard the Yamatos did have an immunity zone against there own guns. Mostly at longer ranges as they had a thick 410 mm (16.1 in) angled belt at 20 degrees and very good deck armor. I'm interested to read any refences you have that say they didn't. Thanks.
Edit: I found in two different places online: "immunity zone against 46cm (18.1″) shells at ranges between 21,800 and 32,800 yards." for the Yamatos. Again this could be incorrect but I can't find anything anywhere that practically says they "don't have an immunity zone against there own guns".
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Did that analysis take metallurgy into account? Not that it’s the most important aspect of a warship’s protection-armour layout is far more relevant and the Yamatos got that right outside of their TDS-but it might still have influenced the results somewhat when it came to very specific calculations like this, especially given the massive AP capabilities of the Japanese 18.1” gun.
If I recall it was this issue with metallurgy that led to the Yamatos having armour that was “only” quite well-protected (which is, frankly, still superior deck and belt protection than those of just about any other contemporary battleship design save the KGVs), instead of being insanely well-protected as on-paper stats would indicate.
@@bkjeong4302 Fair question. After reading your comment (which surprised me as I never heard such a thing) I went looking through my book collection (which is lacking) and online. Most places will have a section on armament (about the 18.1 inch guns) and the armor (which lists the thicknesses) but only two sites online and none of my books talked about the immunity zone against their own guns. Both sites did have the same numbers however, so that's good.
Now many Drydocks back Drach talked about the difference in quality of the armor between the British and Germany (the best) through the Italians and the Americans, and finally the Japanese etc. If I remember correctly Drach stated (along with Ryan from Battleship New Jersey) that there isn't a HUGE difference. As in the British may be 5-10% more effective than the American and the American may be at most 5-10% above the Japanese but in the end there wasn't a "quantum leap" in how good the very best was over the very worse. Face hardened Krupp steel is still Face hardened Krupp steel.
After looking it up further the Japanese only had trouble with the 22inch plus faceplate on there turrets. Only above 20 inches did they struggle with the quality of the amour. The deck and belt armor on the Yamato were of similar quality as you might find on everyone else's ships. There was just much more of it.
Vantablack would have quite the psychological effect on your enemy, regardless of aiming problems; I'd certainly be creeped out if a large, vaguely boat-shaped shadow loomed up and started shooting at me.
Getting blow up would have psychological effects too. You might feel scattered.
Just the word vantablack is kinda creepy. 😬 Also it makes me think of The Count of Monte Cristo. Vampa was a character.
I think my first thought would be "That's a nightmare to clean!" Before making it worse.
I always look forward to these to see what monstrosity of a name fletcher has put together this time
He / she will be devastated when Drach eventually gives up and just calls him Fletcher no matter what he calls himself.
@@Dave_Sisson not only he/she...
But to be honest, I think Drach loves to be challenged and enjoys reading the name
27 knots on a merchant ship ;O that's like light speed for us! I started my career on a fruit carreer, that one sailign with cargo that can rot, and needs to go to market fast, topped out at 23 knots. Currently working on heavy lift carreers. we do indeed cruise in the 12 to 16 kn, depending on the schedule and contract and such. But absolute top is 18 knots but then we are overclocking the engine. But the hull is not designed for it, there is just extra power installed to push trough the ice if we go up north (or south) or to maintain speed longer in bad weather.
I never did push the engine to that range tho, and cannot imagine situations that would be necesary other then SHTF situation, like being in the black sea in feb'22 that would be a: nope lets get out of here NOW situation, where fuel consumption could be ignored for a few hours.
It's important to remember that one of the most successful German merchant raiders in the First World War started life as a banana boat called Pongo. Never under estimate the speed and power of fruit carriers!
I thought this might be the case, i commented on that video saying i thought they went about 18 knots and had vast quantities of replys saying i was wrong and they go 27-30 so the refrigerator containers dont run out of diesel (thinks to myself, why not make them plug in to the ships electricity)
@Notmah Cuppatea reefer containers are indeed plugged into the electrical power supply on the ship! On shore/trucks they might be hooked up to their own generator module.
@@Jacob-W-5570 excellent glad im not out of my mind on the topic haha
A joy and mind opening sharing with our masterful prof.
Alternate history: The Bismarck sinks everything!
Drach: *roars*
big mistake!! we do not mention Bismarck on this channel.
Either the Bismarck or a Tiger tank!!! 😂
@@Mike-im5bo tbf, even with all it's problems, and discounting the hype, the Tiger did far better than the Bismarck!
@@jlvfr My post was for all of the Tiger tank fanboys! 😂
@@Mike-im5bo :D :D
0:22:36 I imagine that the Enlisted members of the Aurora were extremely happy to be interned by the US, especially if they were removed from the ship and put ashore in barracks! (A noticeable increase in the quality of the food they got to eat would be (just) the first major difference!)
they can finally be safe from those pesky torpedo boats!
@@aceous99 now I am just picturing some US marines finding a torpedo boat from somewhere, painting a Japanese flag on it, and parking it right outside the door
Re longbows:
A big area for me as I am currently writing my second book (England's Livery Wars). I think Robert Hardy mentioned two longbows and two arrows surviving from the medieval period prior to the discovery of the Mary Rose.
I worked at Philly Shipyard, on the site of the former Philadelphia Navy Yard. Dry Docks 4 and 5 were built together and originally had the ability to share cranes, via a loop around the dry dock service building in the middle (Building 620)
(Edit to add building number)
R.E. intelligence gathering in Japan, Moe Berg, backup catcher for the Cleveland Indians, was on a barnstorming tour in Japan with Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, and others in 1934 and, as the story goes, secretly filmed the Tokyo skyline and harbor with a movie camera from the roof of a hospital building. How he came to do this or how the film was delivered to the US government is unclear, but it was allegedly used in planning the Doolittle raid.
Made pretty clear in the book "The Catcher Was a Spy." As I recall, Dept of Naval Intelligence was involved.
Hi Drach,
Thank you for your comments on writing good alternate history (1:28:30). I've tried to be very careful with this when writing my 'Republic of Texas Navy' series, taking one basic change, (Texas remaining independent) and working out how thinks might change from that departure point. So far, the first two books have been fairly well received, which hopefully means I've been doing it right.
P.S. If you haven't read them yet, I think you'll like how I handled Admiral Gensoul in book 2.
@@DABrock-author Sounds intriguing, tbh. Both in general and specifically w.r.t. Gensoul (if you mean the WW2 officer commanding the French ships at Mers el Kebir?) Another typical French perspective on Albion perfide there! 😁
@@squirepraggerstope3591 Thank you for your interest. I don’t want to post links on Drachinifel’s channel without his permission, but you should be able to find my books by searching Amazon / Kindle for my name and ‘Republic of Texas Navy’. And yes, I was referring to the French admiral from Mers el Kebir.
In the case of alternate histories, one of the more interesting ones I've seen, is a series a friend of mine was working on. It centers around a rather plausible scenario where Hitler, and much of his inner circle, are killed in a plane crash just prior to the start of WW2. With the 'head of the snake' cut off, he's been toying around with what changes both politically and war wise that would bring about, as it makes Stalin the 'big bad' in the scenario. This has been used in a series of short stories, but also in our wargaming sessions to produce some very interesting, and plausible scenarios.
I think alternate history is great fiction. It is not, by definition, history. What is really bad for understanding history are the revisionist BS artists (like the 1619 project) where historical facts are replaced by ideological or political propaganda. This kind of thing is never an introduction to historical study, but a gateway to silencing actual historical study. A great example of how that works is the "Lost Cause" mythology that has grown around the US "Civil" War. It takes the perspective of the entire war out of its actual historical context (that of a War of Secession to preserve slavery) to a twisted concept of a war for the preservation of "honor" or "state's rights".
Both the 1619 project and the lost cause myths are great examples of ripping history out of a proper contextual setting to make a political movement grow, and ultimately they both do the same thing--turn the actual history into something it was not. This is not "alternate history" like the Turtledove novels, but really just propaganda, but both have been quite successful at stifling all actual historical discussion.
We had 'The Munich Disease'; flu outbreak in 1938 does in all major national leaders, ex. Stalin, Roosevelt and Hirohito. Used GDW's Grand Europa. Much fun.
Always hearing more alternative history is great, especially accurate ones (though flukes do happen )
@@nco_gets_it listen here bud, I like the idea of honor, and succession, while against the notions of owning people. That said, you have it backwards, and the confederate flag is not racist.
I suspect you were not there, do not really know, just spouting some verses of a song you learned. You do understand victors write that history? Survivors tell their tales, but burning , raping, pillaging, is not Honorable, and freed none,
My understanding is Drach has no love of politics and propaganda in his content, get yourself a teaching position and or a political office, those folks love that there.
Happy to end up here a month later after I am sure I saw this. I love that youtube just finds your videos for me when I forget to choose what is next
Ok my week is almost complete, my Sunday morning drydock @6am in Milwaukee WI area. Always great content 👍
I can fall asleep thanks to those, life saving.
Brilliant explanation of the British/French rivalries/alliances. I hope people heard and listened.
Yay. I look forward to the long drydocks. I prefer the old way of having just one long one instead of two parts.
48:11 Interesting you pointed out the Corsairs. The British as I recall DID have to cut some length off the wingspans to let them fit under deck with their wings folded. So at its face, the Corsair DID have some issues operating from British carriers.
The note about Vantablack at night reminded me that, in fact, ninjas wore BLUE clothing at night because it blended in better than black. so if you wanted to hide a ship at night, use blue.
...granted, painting a ship dark blue might cause issues in broad daylight and given the size and speed of the things, the likelihood of what time of day an engagement would happen would have to do with what time of year and what location it'd happen in. so maybe not the BEST idea...
Time 52 minutes: PSNS in Bremerton WA has rail tracks for the cranes to navigate the shipyard. It makes sense that nearly all major shipyards would use this method. You know the track and size of mobile crane, therefore you can safely move 2 passed each other. Only problems we had were movements restricting foot travel while a crane was moved up or down a dock. Or the few times a crane hit a power line and knocked out our shore power. Incidentally, that happened in the first 10 minutes the 3 of us new guys arrived to USS OHIO.
LOL entire room went dark, being part of engineering department, everyone but us had flashlights and that was the first tool I bought on my way home.
Your mention of the _Maersk Boston_ got me looking at some of their other ships, and they can be surprisingly fast. The Maersk E Class is rated at 25.5 knots on 149,000 installed horsepower. Not too shabby for what was the largest container ship in the world when built.
Always appreciate you answering my question (about 6th Battle Squadron), but you neglected to answer the second part: what would have happened if they came to blows.
Sorry, I must've gotten carried away with the first part!
@@Drachinifel Maybe include it in the Alt History Livestream? (Where it might properly belong anyway.)
When I first started watching your channel some years ago I really didn't like it that much, being an old wargamer (I started the hobby back in 1971.) getting more historical information on some of famous battles that me my friends and me used to re-fight, at first on table tops and then via computer, just kept building my interest as time went by. At this this point I'm 65 year olds and have become quite the amateur historian thatnks in part to you and your webite. The last war game I played was a recreation of WW2 in the Pacific called naturally enough, War in the Pacific by MAtrix games. It came out in 2008 and each turn was a day in real time. It covers Naval, ground, and airforces in the Pacific theatre of WW2. Thanks for all of the information that you provided and the clarifications that came along with all of your episodes. BTW, this game covered all the ships in WW2 on all of combatant's sides from Pearl Harbor until September 1945 and eay of game times equalled. Great stuff really. I have played just about every type of naval warfare and the battles that went alongthat's occurred in history, from Actium up to and including Jutland. Modern warfare was covered mostly by a game called Harpoon. It's quite old now but it's still accurate enough historically to keep one's attention. Again thank you very much for all of the work that you've put in over the years. Keep it up, I'm not in any danger of getting board yet!
Regarding visual similarities between vessels, I read somewhere that in the Bismark, Prinz Eugen / Hood, Prince of Wales encounter the Prinz Eugen was leading Bismark and the, at least initial British Salvos were concentrated on Prinz Eugen.
First thing I thought of when that question came up.
Unfair germans!!
@51:00 Another point to be made in favor of movable cranes would be flexibility. If you're docks are full each individual crane can service multiple ships the same day. It's not like a ship needs a crane dedicated to it 24 hours/day and they can run those things 24/7 when necessary. 2 hours loading/offloading ship A, 6 hours loading/offloading ship B, etc...
Thanks for that beautiful shot of the Renown, not even my favorite British ship, The Hood followed by Vanguard. Beautiful camo scheme, whether it was good or not IDK?
In theory WW1 warships could have carried a proto radar device invented by Hülsmeyer and patented in 1904 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_H%C3%BClsmeyer ).
But the navy was not interested because the device was marketed as a tool to prevent ship collisions and it was argued that foghorns had a greater range than this.
Given that is was a very early development it lacked the ability to give directions and the ranging was only rudimentary. So, in its original form it was of little use for warships in battle.
Had it been developed further in the decade before WW1, it could have become a game changer but it was not and fell into obscurity so completely that (to my knowledge) no later radar invention took inspiration from it.
The Vancouver Maritime Museum has some nicely put-together displays. Outside is a bathoscaph which was used to chart the Gulf--Stream. Inside, the original St. Rich, the first vessel to circumnavigate the Americas, I believe. RCMP vessel.
For the defense of Pearl Harbor, I agree with the need for several hours to bring the naval units up to full readiness to oppose the air strike, but even with less time much could have been done, to bring each individual ship to general quarters with guns manned and ready and full watertight integrity set, and at least destroyers could have been getting steam up and moving out of the harbor. This would go along with the message from the USS Ward (about attacking a submarine of the harbor mouth), which was sent at 0653 (about an hour before the start of the Japanese air attack), being quickly passed up to Admiral Kimmel, and him then ordering a full alert (and Admiral Bloch concurring for the 14th District installations). The real problem was that almost all of the army aircraft were parked "wingtip to wingtip" in the middle of the airfields for "security", and it would have taken at least 4 hours to get the fighters armed, ready and in position for takeoff. That would have been well before the Japanese strike group even took off.
Drach, I was shocked, shocked, to hear you say "irregardless" at 2:09:39 of Drydock 232 (Part 1). Disirregardless of its having crept into some dictionaries, "irregardless" isn't a word.
Interesting
00:57:18 - Did navies ever consciously design destroyers/cruisers/battleships to look similar to each other to confuse visual identification?
Captain Langsdorff
" We sighted two destroyers and another ship.
It wasn't till we closed with them that I realized they were cruisers.
By that time, we'd already joined them in battle.
I couldn't take my eyes off them.
They came at me like destroyers.
They kept coming at me.
I couldn't believe that they'd dare do this unless they were supported by bigger ships.
I thought they were trying to drive me out into the guns of bigger ships."
The Battle of the River Plate
Nazi commerce raider Steir encountered the USS Stephen Hopkins in the south Atlantic. The USN Armed Guard fought two 37 mm antitank guns and a single 4” gun with the assistance of the merchant marine crew. After sinking the the Hopkins, the captain of the Steir determined the Hopkins gunfire had wrecked the Stiers engine room and he was forced to scuttle. Lucky for him a support vessel was able to take his crew and allied Pows aboard. When he filed his action report with the kriegsmarine, he claimed he has lost his ship to an Allied cruiser.
Edit- USS STEPHEN HOPKINS WAS A LIBERTY SHIP
The range in WoW is ridiculously reduced by the velocity so the shells fired from 15"/42 actually land 45 degrees angle at 18 km which exaggerate the effectiveness of angling the ship. In the real world those angles and ranges the game forces players to play at, the shells are more likely penetrate than not.
And I don't think the penetration physics are correct either. I vividly remember Normandie hit a Doria at 45 degree angle 6 km away with AP shells and everything bounced off.
Many artifacts are created around map compression. Ballistics vs 'travel' distance is completely wack. I do think they kind of try to mimic the penetration ballistics a little bit (but scaled) in order to please the historical crowd a little bit, but 20km on the gun is not 20 km of in game distance, ship speed, or actual shell travel time.
I am actually more surprised somebody might contemplate WoWs trying to be even a little realistic in the year 2023. Five years ago I can see the case, but just like WoT before her, WoWs has dropped all the charades and gone Free to Play - give us your wallet - Arcade. Are Drach and Alex II stil doing Armchair Admirals?
The other issue caused by the compressed range is that accuracy for battleship main guns is all wonky (far higher than they would have been at what was expected to be their main fighting ranges, but also far too low for what’s essentially their in-game point-blank range).
Oh, and the carriers somehow even being on the map AT ALL, when they would be sailing around way off the map launching aircraft into the map area or at each other. People keep harping on about CV cancer when carriers in fact have been massively nerfed in that aspect compared to how they operated historically.
@@bkjeong4302 The biggest problem for wonky accuracy isn't just the range being short but rather the fact that the range is known and no rangefinding is needed.
But the game kind of make this clear that they have no interest in realism.
Possibly the least accurate thing about WOWS is torpedoes. Not the damage they can do, but how even a dinky little WW1 torpedo boat (a) can reload its tubes in around a minute and (b) actually has reloads at all. I get that the devs wanted to balance things so that DDs could actually compete (and maybe even survive) in close action with BBs and cruisers, but historically one of the things that destroyer skippers were very conscious of was that they'd only get one shot from their torpedo tubes, so they really needed to pick a time when they'd have the best chance of getting hits, which is completely absent from the game.
Mind you, I do like playing WOWS, I just always thought it could do a better job of reflecting actual naval combat in the period. The whole thing about not turning your side to the enemy in the game, when in real combat it's absolutely what you want to do, first because it lets you shoot more guns at the other ship, and second because shells that missed a target at medium to long ranges were more likely to fall short or long rather then missing left or right. So turning end-on to the target would both reduce your ability to respond by masking some of your own guns, and place your ship in a better space to collect some of those under- or over-shoots that would otherwise have missed.
My main peeve when i was playing wow bbs (2 years ago, console version) was the comparatively overboosted ranges and accuracy of dd +cc arrnament, particularly compared to the derisory effect of secondaries on a bb. Torp autoloaders was obviously a technology that my ww1~ww2 books did not think worth mentioning.
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1) Good to hear the Wisdom if Sir Humphrey. 2)During Desert Storm/Shield, I heard the same explanation, (Me against...) from a minor member of the Saudi royal family. He and I were classmates.
23:29 In WW I, the US left German caretaker crews on the German liners and merchantmen that we interned. After our declaration of war, those caretakers did cripple many of those ships, but only for a short term. The US put them to use and a number of liners ended up as US War reparations. Interpretation of international law was also interesting. The US interned those ships (maybe with Imperial Germany's approval), but didn't inter the cargo sub Deutschland, which made two trips to the US in 1916.
Those sailors were lucky because being interned in britain means getting medical treatment on coastal facilities is prohibited and you could be shot.
David Dawson who plays King Alfred in Bernard Cornwell's The Last Kingdom would make a pretty darn good Nelson. Similar build, right age and a great actor. Having Sean Bean running around the movie as Sharpe would be fun even if historically ridiculous. See "Sharpe's Trafalgar "
Been watching a bunch of shipwreck videos recently. I have probably a better answer for ancient ships raised sterns. Those are likely raised to protect them from following seas that can swamp the boat, same as raised bows protect against waves coming over bow. Apparantly following seas can actually be more dangerous to "small" boats the size triremes would've been.
The U boat crews referred to the rescue vessels on convoys as Knockensammeln - literally Bone Collectors - I believe.
Just as a point of interest, I thought I'd share something today. I live about 2 miles away, and on the same road, as Ft. Saulsbury, in Delaware, USA. Ft. Saulsbury held WWII German & Italian P.O.W.s. It remains largely intact, and it is the only current day privately owned former US fort installation.
The P.O.W.s were used as labor in the immediate area in the '40s & earned a small amount for their labor, I'm told. A bus was used to take them into town where the older residents here can recall seeing them brought in to buy from the local shops, once or twice a week- under armed supervision.
Ft. Saulsbury's current owner does not want to know from present day visitors on their property and, from what I've heard, are willing to assert their rights to keep people away- make of it what you will.....
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During the "battle of Lofoten" the S&G was led by admiral Lutchens (the same guy that did all the misstakes with Bismarck). And even thou both sides had discoverd the enemyforces long before action started, the German ships held there fire for 6 minutes !, while beeing under fire from Renown ! Still Gneisenau scored a hit on Renown, after only 2 minutes of shooting back at the British ship, while it took over 8 minutes for the British BC to score its first hit on the Jerry. The weather was difficult indeed, but with a more agressive commander S&G might very well been able to mission kill Renown. The German surface navy was often hamperd by hesitant commanders, during the DS battle Hood and PoW opened fire several minutes before Lutchens gave the order to shoot at the enemy.
00:57:18 - The WWI Brummer-class minelaying cruisers were specifically designed to resemble the British Arethusa-class cruisers, so as to make it easier for these ships to operate in British waters. The disguise was also effective when both ships were used to waylay an allied convoy from Norway.
Years ago, one of the history magazines (I'm not sure if it was Smithsonian or American Heritage,) devoted an issue to Alternative History; the consensus seemed to be that Alternative History could be good entertainment, but, because of all the "extra steps" required to get the desired results (Nazi victory in WW2, Confederate victory in the Civil War, etc.,) its only real value would be to show why events turned out the way they really did.
The question I'm most interested in as I hear it so often in these QandA's is what does the username "Texas and La shock" even mean, why was that chosen as a username?
Babylon 5
Drachinifel - where did you do the analysis of the penetration / hit probabilities? I can't recall the video, and don't see anything on the list. (that's re: question from 30:00 , 33:30)
33:40 - Um, where _is_ this updated table that includes the _Alaskas'_ guns? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
Regarding my question about the Diesel engine I have some more information for you which I assumed you where aware of (me working in interal combustion engine development might have something to do with that). For piston engines the power to weight ratio decreases with engine size (with a factor of roughly 1/D, D being the bore diameter). Hence the large marine Diesel engine have very low power to weight ratios of 30 W/kg or less while e.g. passenger car Diesel engine can go up more than 1000 W/kg. In contrast the power to weight ratio of turbomachinery does not depend on the size of the machine. E.g. I recall modern gas turbines having roughly 1-2 kW/kg regardless of whether it's a 300 kW aircraft engine or a 20 MW turbine for electricity generation. That's why for applications where weight is very important like aviation, turbomachinery will pull ahead at fairly low power requirements.
From my rough calculation I had assumed that steam turbines of that time had higher power densities. For example: I calculate a Flechter-class to have 22.5 W per kg of standard displacent. I don't know how much of that displacement is taken up by the engines but assuming it is less that half the "old" steam turbine powerplant would still outperform modern Diesels in power density.
I remember looking at a marine engine in a museum. It was as big as my house.
If they get big enough they will be too heavy to propel any raft big enough to support them.
Interesting point about the 1/D scaling of power/weight of diesel engines. I don't work on this topic, so I trust your judgement more than my own, but I would have assumed sort of the opposite, namely some kind of volume (power generation in a cylinder) vs. surface area (structural things holding the engine together) scaling. Can you expand a bit on that comment and explain what causes this scaling?
@@jbepsilon The power of an ICE is P = p_me * i * n * z * V_h, where P is the effective power, p_me is the mean effective pressure, i is the number of engine cycles per revolution (0.5 for four-stroke engines, 1 for two-stroke engines), n is the engine speed, z is the number of cylinders and V_h is the displacement per cylinder (I'm using German abbreviations here because that's what I'm used to). p_me, i and z don't scale with engine size, V_h scales with D^3 and n scales with 1/D. This means that overall the engine power scales with D^2, while the engine weight scales with D^3 thus power density being P/m scales with 1/D. The critical part is the 1/D scaling of the engine speed which is caused by mechnical limitations of the cranktrain (connnecting rod and crankshaft in particular).
@@gibbel4619 I like your formula, as a gearhead I looked at power as cubic inch, compression ratio, revolutions per minute. Sort of CIDxCRxRPM. I did drop small blocks when leaded went away as I lost CR rather focusing on CID albeit heavier.
Love and learn, but I like your formula.
@@Driver-ur9mf If you only look at naturally aspirated (NA) spark-ignition engines, it's a decent approximation since the mean effective pressure you can achieve with a NA engines increases with a higher compression ratio. For a turbocharged (TC) engine this no longer holds true because of knock. For TC engines the maximum mean effective pressure you can achieve is higher with a lower CR. As an example of this. The NA engine in the Porsche 911 GT3 (from 2016) has a CR of 13.3 and achieves 92 kilowatts per liter while the turbocharged AMG M133 engine (at least the version of it I had on the test bench) achieves 140 kW/l with a CR of 8.6.
On main battery AAA: Bismarck famously and unsuccessfully tried firing all the main and secondary guns into the water at maximum depression in hope that the massive fountains thrown up would stop the rickety old Fairey Swordfish torpedo bombers (and it probably could've worked, if they'd managed to nail the timing/aimpoint -- I'm no engineer, but I deffs wouldn't want to be in a Swordfish intersecting with the splash from an 1800lb shell, but would think an Avenger could make it through) that ultimately all survived and scored one hit amidships that led to the ship's doom -- the later torpedo hit that jammed the rudder is often credited for sealing Bismarck's fate, but the fuel leak and flooding in the boiler rooms from that first torpedo caused the run to Brest and the reduction in speed that allowed KGV and Rodney to catch up.
On Vantablack: See the old joke about nuclear submarines -- "you won't hear the boat, but you can hear the hole in the background noise." Also, USAF bombers/attack aircraft are generally painted a rather dark grey for the same reason (since at least the '91 Gulf war, they tend to kick in the metaphorical doors in the middle of the night*), while the pure fighters are camouflaged in two much lighter shades to blend with daytime sky/clouds.
*also good advice for people literally breaking into places in the middle of the night, if anybody's thinking of getting into the burglary business.
Also, on dark-but-not-black bombers, I'm working in Bossier City, LA for the next couple of weeks, I'm seeing/hearing them a lot, being maybe a mile away from the departure end of the runway of Barksdale AFB. Also, amusingly, trying to find out how far from the base I am, Google Maps just noped out for presumably national security reasons, but says I'm 1.6 miles from the museum. Which is, unfortunately, on base grounds so I'd have to Know Somebody or jump through hoops to get in. (I was there once on a Boy Scout trip way back in the day just before Desert Storm, when security was less stringent, and it was really cool, they even let us out onto the apron to see the active-service B-52s, and I got my picture taken with the crew of Better Duck II.)
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At the question of spies in Japan, I was told to lace up naval boots horizontally and importantly, If one spotted a matelot wearing shoes laced at 45' he could well be a Japanese spy. I did think that there might have been more obvious give-aways.
I gave you a like just because you used the slightly archaic word matelot. Personally I still use the work lascar.
96k views but only 1.7k likes? I don't understand. Shouldn't that be 96k likes? Yes, yes it SHOULD be 96k likes.
Come on, people! Get with the program.
Carrier-compatibilty:
Not a space/mass consideration. Are aircraft somehow connected to the catapult for launch? And if so would those attachments be universal enough?
Nice stax !
59:00 I say they looked a lot like each other. Yes the battleship has large secondary turrets but I say they would be hard to differentiate.
Who do you think would win in a one ship say a razee frigate versus a similar ship between Nelson and Cochrane? Plus the same match up with each man commanding a a small squadron?
"Raise the unit" I envisioned the English Navy dredging up an old ship to send the army over on :P
On the WoW German or Italian ships they have range finders on the top of the mast as well
29:40 Kaiser and König do not have any World War II hulls sadly. Kaiser's is the hypothetical modernization but with a pair of WWII era twin 8.8 cm DP guns and gets an extra pair on the upgraded hull. König is also only in her hypothetical modernization but her Hull A lacks the wackeltopf (those ball towers) but they show up on Hull B. König Albert, however, is pretty much historical WWI Kaiser-class model. As for the battlecruisers, Von der Tann, Moltke, Derfflinger, and Mackensen all appear to be in their WWI configurations through and through. But starting with Prinz Heinrich (Ersatz Yorck) and subsequent ships, it is 100% hypothetical modernizations. Out of all of their hypothetical modernizations for German ships, real or paper, the only ones I actually think are done accurately to what Germany would’ve done is Prinz Heinrich (Ersatz Yorck) and Prinz Eitel Friedrich (modernized Mackensen). Everything else just looks ridiculous or nonsensical, especially Anhalt and the battlecruisers with the Graf Zeppelin casemates.
2:36:30 If anyone wants to see this interesting design in full 3D, I recommend downloading the mobile game Naval Creed Warships (as there is, sadly, no wiki for the game). It is the battleship IJN Izumi in that game.
Nelson at Trafalgar = Michael Fassbender. Right age. Right size. Right accent. Right smirk.
What would have been the effect if the majority of Liberty and victory ships could travel between 17-20 knots?
What is your opinion of the "1632 series" published by Baen Books?
Regarding Michael Griffith’s question (1:50.46) about U.S. and British intelligence gathering operations in Japan in the prewar years, you might wish to review the book “Secret Missions” (1946 Van Rees Press) by Rear Admiral Zacharias M. Ellis. Ellis provides interesting insight into U.S. efforts and unrealized plans to gather intelligence in Japan using methods other than code breaking, recounting his own visits to Japan during the 1920s, as well as his cultivation of relationships with mid-level and senior Japanese officers who had assignments in the U.S. I note that Ellis was regarded as something of a loose cannon. His pronounced racial views and factual assertions debunked in the years following war’s end make “Secret Missions” an uneven read, but the book is nevertheless fascinating.
1:50:00 Dr Mark Felton has extensive coverage about allied intelligence activities in the far East on one or both of His channels. Mark is to WWII history as Drach is to naval history, priceless !:-)
A friend of the family, my mother joined the Navy in 1938, I think the date is correct. I have his Hammock, not the bag just the Hammock. When he joined the navy, u carried your Hammock from ship to ship. I also have a pillow case of the USS Pennsylvania dated 1919. When a sailor was stationed on a ship, they would send this pillow back to mom. I don’t have the stuffing, just the case. Can send a picture if u like. On Essex Class they hung aircraft from the ceiling of the hanger ceiling. What thought was cool, it was the Brit’s navy who learned how to land a F4U aircraft on a carrier. U can’t come from straight from behind the carrier, u can’t see ship. U landed by turning from port side turn and land your aircraft on stern so u can see carrier deck. U made a half circle to to land the plane on stern of ship. U understand what I’m saying yes?? Also I believe u can takeoff from hanger aircraft from hanger of Essex Class carrier. U know the US built a underground airstrip on Oahu, was under a pineapple field. Think it’s still there.
Wow, thats the first I have seen of the Cigar Carrier Class… I would bet they would be quite popular in Miami amongst the cartels… .lol
Nelson's accent would be interesting. Lady Hamilton, despite how she was portrayed in the film 'That Hamilton Woman,' had a Lancashire accent. So should Nelson have been given a Norfolk accent.
Time 1:52 Morrison reports that the Japanese forces on Betio Is in the Gilbert's were accurately predicted by a field sanitation document collected in the middle 30s by a military attache in Tokyo
Many car and truck repair places pay to have their waste oil removed by a Haz-Mat company to be safely disposed of. What the Haz-Mat companies do to safely dispose of the oil is to run it through a very course filter, mix in other petroleum to balance the mixture, then sell it to shipping companies as fuel.
40:16 Like that silhouetted spinning dancer GIF that you can 'see' rotating CW or CCW
Are there any good books to recommend about Operation Sealion and, What if scenarios?
RE: Atlanta as testbed. The USS Mississippi was used as the testbed for future weapons systems.
And then the USS Norton Sound.
@@jjhead431 All hail the Snort'n Norton!
...wait a moment. Nelson was reckless, a genius in a fight but utterly clueless in every other field...
_Nelson is Goku._
I was just on a cruise ship that said at lunch it was doing 17 Knots and we were overtaking a container ship at the time.
drach, you are limiting your cast list, the forthcoming Walt Dismay version will no doubt have a trans poc
2:44:00 Halsey also had various significant successes he could point to. Beatty, not so much.
From a literary standpoint, alternative history is to history as science fiction is to science, a way of writing about current issues from a fictional perspective. Where alternative history turns into wishcasting is when you try to apply it to a political point of view. For example, American neo-isolationists present a world of unicorns and rainbows if only warmonger Wilson stayed out of WWI. However, there are an equal number of just as bad or worse outcomes if the Kaiser does not approve renewed unrestricted submarine warfare and involve the United States in the war.. There is also a subset of neo-isolationists who confuse the behavior of the Kaiserreich with the Third Reich but that is a different story.
It can be useful to use alternative decisions to evaluate different possible outcomes either through wargaming or other means. Drach's recent what if for the Second Pacific Squadron and the Dogger Bank incident is a good example of a good use of alternative history. Beyond the operational level there are too many variables to say anything meaningful about alternative outcomes and alternative history becomes wishcasting.
On the measures taken to prevent interned ships escaping: isn’t it an unfriendly act to break/sneak an interned ship out of internment? If nothing else, isn’t it an uninvited warship in territorial waters, not exercising innocent passage, and therefore an act of war?
I’ll try and look in to the current position that Drach wondered about at the start of the answer, but I don’t think my Law of Armed Conflict texts address the consequences of breaking/sneaking out.
On ships disguising their profile didn't the WW1 German commerce raider SMS Emden (3 funnels) rig a fake funnel to look like a British 4 funneled cruiser?
The idea of your going to give Pearl harbor a warning at 4 AM on a Sunday? Half of the fleet and most of the Air corps were still sleeping off hangovers at 8 a.m.
Even a hungover fighter pilot is better than no fighter pilot. Plus adrenaline tends to mitigate the effects of hangovers at least temporarily. The hammering of machine guns wouldn’t be nice tho
@@danhaas9730 still, remember that the defense of Hawaii is still a split organization. It wasn't great communication Army and Navy. Not to mention the problems with long-range communications that day. It's a bit like 9/11. Even after we had ideas about the first hijacking, by the time we got planes in the air and on station. It was really too late to do anything.
@50 minutes- what dry dock is that?
I think the biggest difference for Halsey and Beaty is that even with the things you can rightly criticize Halsey also has great successes you can point to.
Beaty doesn’t. Near as I can tell he essentially shit the bed in almost every major situation other than back room politics.
Long name fletcher has arrived as expected
Wouldn't a 27 knot cruising speed essentially require turbine drive? I don't see a Triple Expansion being able to keep those revs up for an entire voyage.
As well as Royal Marine and Naval Divisions fighting in France in WW1, many of the railguns were manned by the Royal Navy. The heavy calibre guns used, mostly various marks of the 9.2 inch, were usually supplied by the navy. The guns were later handed over to the British Army when the navy decided being on land this long was just not for them. The army was rather underwhelmed by the navies generosity.
Captain Laurence's sea chest is on display at the Halifax Maritime Museum.
Bismarck changed the English and French outlook big time I think.
Correction on modern naval diesels needing modern diesel fuel. Many of them can run on heavy fuel oils like Bunker C and Bunker B the bigger the diesel the less it cares about fuel viscosity and quality because its bigger, and as a result doesn’t care as much about fuel quality like something small like a transport truck’s engine.
Very true. You need a pre-heating system for the fuel though to reduce the viscosity of the fuel before injection.
1;52:10 Paranoia? You're forgetting the Niihau incident.
Just how much could a crew do to repair an age of sail frigate by putting ashore, say in South America and cutting down trees and such?
I have a strong suspicion I know exactly which ship your questioner was referring to - HMS _Lydia_ (36), Captain Horatio Hornblower. _The Happy Return_ is the earliest of the novels, and CS Forester's naval lore is much shakier and less plausible than it later became.
!:17:16 Even a merchant ship group going in the range 15 to 20 (or 21) Knots would make the Wolfpack tactic all but impossible, especially if they used some of. those hulls for C.V.E. conversion to prevent the U-Boats from running on the surface close to the convoy... (Even 12 to 15 knots with a sprint out to 20 to 21 knots, which could let them "side step" a U-Boat group detected via "Huff Duff" (High Frequency Direction Finding) methods!)
Idris Elba would be perfect to play Lord Nelson in a movie.
Regarding "The Man in The High Castle" my 2nd favorite show of all time next to "Chernobyl", I got to know the local Vancouver actor who played the PR/Marketing supporting character for the American Reich. In case if anyone was wondering if that character was modeled after "Don Draper [from Mad Men] in a horrific alternative existence" that is 100% accurate!