Excellent video and content. Spot on. Most people don’t understand this flywheel. And when the debt converts to shares, debt ratio goes down. Expect MSTR to hit the ATM like madmen now, and then slow which will catapult the share price in Q1/Q2 as the FASB rules are implemented in Q1… S&P inclusion will largely be contingent on 4 qtrs of profitability, which if BTC goes up a bit more, is probable. Keep up the great work!!!
I got into MSTR only because my wife set up an IRA for me and I live in New York which doesn't allow me to hold bitcoin in my IRA so I had to invest in stocks. So I have went down the MSTR rabbit hole and I'm loving it! It's insane! haha
High level on the FASB fair value rule for crypto- goes live from tomorrow for financial years ending after 15 December, but can be adopted earlier). Before this change crypto couldn't be reflected at real value- so a drop in the asset would be permanent, and a recovery wouldn't be taken into account! This means that the earliest Microstrategy can be in the S&P500 is 2026... (after 4 quarters of profitable trading) it's going to be a wild ride!
What do you mean can’t be found. Bitcoin can always be bought for a price. The price just goes up until there is a seller. Also company can’t put more than 40% of their treasuries into securities
Curious why you hold sol? No fixed supply, super centralized, lots of competition, problem it's solving isn't worth much. Doesn't seem like there's as much upside as BTC or mstr in imo
I am also 50/50 btc and mstr . I hold fbtc and mstr in my Roth . So all the proceeds/profit i may recieve in the future if there actually is any will be tax free when I decide to take some money out .
I’d hedge if I had mstr. I’m doing so with bitcoin and the BITX etf. Usually at a 80-20 or. 70-30 ratio. The lower percentage being the portion I sell covered calls on. I’m getting assigned a lot but that means I’m making money cause I’m selling slightly out of the money calls. As the price of btc gets higher I’ll increase my percentage of bitx I’m selling calls on. Slowly dca out of the market while also getting paid to do so
MSTR is like a perpetual motion machine! The infinite money glitch 🤠. I hope the price does lay down for a little while right now I have 171 shares my goal is 220 by years end. Thank you 👍
Great stuff. Future is so bright. I think the company could get to a point where they have a 1,000,000+ coins, sailor may be getting older as the decade progresses, but it’s some point the company will be so monstrous that really anyone else could take over sailors’s position at the company and dedicate the time. He’s in a unique position to kind of work on this special project, while not being the direct ceo. at some point, someone else would need to take over though they wouldn’t have the share holder power that he does, so it may not be as effortless to make these transactions that he’s doing. Hopefully by that point will be well over 1 million coins functioning like a bitcoin bank at that point, that can just be managed. NFA
Nice video But what we all want to know is If MSTR is going to outperform Bitcoin and how much the multiple can Be, We all know that the stock is going up , But is it going up against Bitcoin,? or else we just buy Bitcoin?What can we realistically expect In the multiple ?
im not sure if my last questions came through, it was at 1.07 hr on the pat bet david podcast where sailor said dont own any secuyity ie stock and squirmed in his chair, MSTR or no
@ i saw an article about mstr being considered a financial company….that such a decision could be made in march. Was just curious anyone’s opinion…if this is even a valid concern.
Hello sir. What are the next MSTR ? Ther is solstraegys, Neptune, SMLR. Do you think one of these companies can give many x in the future wen the btc price increases?
MSTR is the next MSTR. They have created a moat by having the deepest liquidity and volatility on their options chain. I will make a video comparing them to others soon
Thank you sir. Now is it fair to say that MSTR won't crash as hard as before doing the bear market because the market cap is bigger now or that is not the case because all is depending on BTC price Action? I would like to share some charts with you that are continuing with me about Global liquidity because it's been dropping and I want to see your outtake on it so is it possible to contact you on email or discord?
No, the stock must rise considerably with such a significant "catalyst" coinciding with BTC at all-time highs. To capture the interest of newcomers, they need to witness a positive reaction rather than see it just languishat at this momentous occasion. Yes, I understand it has increased substantially already, but they can't keep undermining the stock at every opportunity.
It's unsecured convertible debt. Either it converts to shares or is paid back plus the interest rate at the end of its term. In a worst case bear market where this convertible debt is still open and comes due ( if you look at the staggering of debt + conversion price that's incredibly unlikely) they would have to raise cash to pay the previous debt. Either through business operations, corporate debt, convertible debt, or issuing new shares.
At 1.07 in the pat bet david interview saylor gets uncomfortable about holding any stock, i value your input, please have a look and your thought?@bitcoinnotcrypto
who knows where we’ll end up- for now i’m holding roughly 25% crypto (mainly BTC and ETH, with some DOGE and XRP sprinkled in there) in my portfolio. as for the other 75%: it’s about 25% S&P ETFs, 7% MSTR, and the rest is a collection of single stock plays i’ve made mostly over the long term. currently at a negative realized gain for this year and get funny looks from my tax professional… but the reason im down (realized) is because i sold poor performing holdings to transition them into opportunities i saw. now im up (unrealized) over 3x the amount that im “down”. it’s always important to remember the nuance in personal finance, and investing in general.
MSTR only needs one quarter of positive EPS to get into the s&p500 as long as it is big and averages the previous 4 quarters positive. I recon June 2025.
I think this weekend we will someone bidding up bitcoin, probably to a new ATH just so they can dump it Monday morning causing a dump in MSTR Monday. They will do this to scoop up MSTR on the cheap so they can sell it later to the fund managers. Tues Wed will probably be a snap back to New highs In MSTR.
@@bitcoinnotcryptoso you think next week MSTR will go down and after Dec 23 it’ll go back up? I assumed the opening price would be 20% up next Monday first thing. But I guess it may go down after that
@bitcoinnotcrypto It was mentioned on investanswers. $Zeus is a communication layer that enables the Bitcoin and Solana blockchains to communicate and interact with each other. Essentially, this means that Zeus enables developers to build and scale applications that can seamlessly move assets and information across the Bitcoin and Solana blockchains
He knows it is, but it's unstoppable, best they can do is slow it down. But with the incoming administration, they have to at least get on to the speculative digital gold train.
I heard that MicroStrategy may get rejected from the QQQ in the future. Apparently the rules say that financial companies are excluded. MicroStrategy could be deemed a financial company.
I'm guessing some wall street people were a little surprised by the listing so they will buy bitcoin this weekend causing a pump in bitcoin, then Monday before market open they will dump it causing another mini crash, this will cause a dump in MSTR Monday so they can come in and scoop up MSTR on the cheap. In fact I am already seeing signs of that now on Sat night, bitcoin is pumping a bit which is unusual for a Saturday. They are accumulating so they can dump it. I will be ready Monday morning to buy some more MSTR if this is the stunt they pull. 😊
One of the most underrated channel!
Totally agree, stumbled across the channel, and it's in my daily line up now. Really enjoy the content and easy to understand analysis.
Excellent video and content. Spot on. Most people don’t understand this flywheel. And when the debt converts to shares, debt ratio goes down. Expect MSTR to hit the ATM like madmen now, and then slow which will catapult the share price in Q1/Q2 as the FASB rules are implemented in Q1… S&P inclusion will largely be contingent on 4 qtrs of profitability, which if BTC goes up a bit more, is probable. Keep up the great work!!!
I got into MSTR only because my wife set up an IRA for me and I live in New York which doesn't allow me to hold bitcoin in my IRA so I had to invest in stocks. So I have went down the MSTR rabbit hole and I'm loving it! It's insane! haha
I got 28 shares. MSTR
Nice, if it goes as well as we hope, next year at this time those 28 could be 280!
@@dominickolas Yet another stock split? Depends on how the cycle plays out. The bear will show up...eventually?
@@FlorisDVijfde Of course it's no sure thing. I'd place it at 60/40 chance. I'm an optimistic fellow.
I’ve said it before on other videos, but I swear you could be Mr. Ballin’s brother thanks for the content
I agree with your CC sentiment - there are a lot of juicy looking far out premiums, but MSTR’s price movement can be explosive.
High level on the FASB fair value rule for crypto- goes live from tomorrow for financial years ending after 15 December, but can be adopted earlier). Before this change crypto couldn't be reflected at real value- so a drop in the asset would be permanent, and a recovery wouldn't be taken into account! This means that the earliest Microstrategy can be in the S&P500 is 2026... (after 4 quarters of profitable trading) it's going to be a wild ride!
That's what I have seen too, too bad it isn't retroactive. They have so much gains from their Bitcoin holdings
You explain it really clearly thank you
great video forrest!
Thanks Konrad
Thank you for your video, just out of curiosity what you think about MSTU? As in holding it for the short term?
When BTC just can’t be found all these treasuries can buy…MSTR
What do you mean can’t be found. Bitcoin can always be bought for a price. The price just goes up until there is a seller.
Also company can’t put more than 40% of their treasuries into securities
Thanks for the crypto review
Good info!! I’m 50/50 MSTR/BTC… I might be early in going in as much as I am but I believe in MSTR that much and I’m getting it at a discount
I’m 80/20 MSTR/SOL
Curious why you hold sol? No fixed supply, super centralized, lots of competition, problem it's solving isn't worth much. Doesn't seem like there's as much upside as BTC or mstr in imo
@@jeffmathiaslawoffice9269 same here sol and MSRT let’s go 🚀
@@jeffmathiaslawoffice9269 MSRT and sol same here we should be ok with holding these 2🚀
I am also 50/50 btc and mstr .
I hold fbtc and mstr in my Roth .
So all the proceeds/profit i may recieve in the future if there actually is any will be tax free when I decide to take some money out .
MSTR heading to $10K beautiful company 🇺🇸
Per stock?
I heard this too. It's possible but not probable. But if mstr trades 6x nav and bitcoin goes to $500k, then $10k it is!!
Mstr isn’t degenerate enough for me. Im all MSTX!
I’d hedge if I had mstr. I’m doing so with bitcoin and the BITX etf. Usually at a 80-20 or. 70-30 ratio. The lower percentage being the portion I sell covered calls on. I’m getting assigned a lot but that means I’m making money cause I’m selling slightly out of the money calls. As the price of btc gets higher I’ll increase my percentage of bitx I’m selling calls on. Slowly dca out of the market while also getting paid to do so
Masterpiece explanation
MSTR is like a perpetual motion machine! The infinite money glitch 🤠. I hope the price does lay down for a little while right now I have 171 shares my goal is 220 by years end. Thank you 👍
It's simply company assets. Mstr is climbing quickly up the nav list.
Great stuff. Future is so bright. I think the company could get to a point where they have a 1,000,000+ coins, sailor may be getting older as the decade progresses, but it’s some point the company will be so monstrous that really anyone else could take over sailors’s position at the company and dedicate the time. He’s in a unique position to kind of work on this special project, while not being the direct ceo. at some point, someone else would need to take over though they wouldn’t have the share holder power that he does, so it may not be as effortless to make these transactions that he’s doing. Hopefully by that point will be well over 1 million coins functioning like a bitcoin bank at that point, that can just be managed. NFA
Nice video But what we all want to know is If MSTR is going to outperform Bitcoin and how much the multiple can Be, We all know that the stock is going up , But is it going up against Bitcoin,? or else we just buy Bitcoin?What can we realistically expect In the multiple ?
MSTR's improved credit rating will also let current holders buy more shares on margin.
Is mSTR now a long hold then ?
10 years prediction 15k -30k if everything goes good
Absolutely!
@@ricardorocha6408how
Good explanations.
Wonderful video!
im not sure if my last questions came through, it was at 1.07 hr on the pat bet david podcast where sailor said dont own any secuyity ie stock and squirmed in his chair, MSTR or no
Next thing that could happen in 2025 is MSTR going in to the S&P 500.
highly unlikeley due requirements for the s&p are very different than nasdaq
More likely 2026 imo
This will happen
What happens when/if MSTR is removed from the QQQs in March?
They would sell the shares they have. Absolutely no reason for them to remove it however
@ i saw an article about mstr being considered a financial company….that such a decision could be made in march. Was just curious anyone’s opinion…if this is even a valid concern.
@@criticalcrossroads498 they hold Bitcoin reserves instead of usd or some other asset. I don't think this makes them a financial company.
@@bitcoinnotcrypto Interesting....I hope you are right...and thank you for the quick response.
Hello sir. What are the next MSTR ? Ther is solstraegys, Neptune, SMLR. Do you think one of these companies can give many x in the future wen the btc price increases?
MSTR is the next MSTR. They have created a moat by having the deepest liquidity and volatility on their options chain. I will make a video comparing them to others soon
Thank you sir. Now is it fair to say that MSTR won't crash as hard as before doing the bear market because the market cap is bigger now or that is not the case because all is depending on BTC price Action? I would like to share some charts with you that are continuing with me about Global liquidity because it's been dropping and I want to see your outtake on it so is it possible to contact you on email or discord?
I'd like to see you do a video that explores the ideological divide between Bitcoin maximalism and the broader cryptocurrency movement.
Interesting, I'll think on that one
good info... thank you
Yes HUGE 🎉
I didn’t know Mr.Ballin had a crypto channel 🤯
Bitcoin not crypto 😂
MrBallen
No, the stock must rise considerably with such a significant "catalyst" coinciding with BTC at all-time highs.
To capture the interest of newcomers, they need to witness a positive reaction rather than see it just languishat at this momentous occasion.
Yes, I understand it has increased substantially already, but they can't keep undermining the stock at every opportunity.
How does MSTR guarantee his bond holders a no loss bond if btc tanks?
It's unsecured convertible debt. Either it converts to shares or is paid back plus the interest rate at the end of its term.
In a worst case bear market where this convertible debt is still open and comes due ( if you look at the staggering of debt + conversion price that's incredibly unlikely) they would have to raise cash to pay the previous debt. Either through business operations, corporate debt, convertible debt, or issuing new shares.
At 1.07 in the pat bet david interview saylor gets uncomfortable about holding any stock, i value your input, please have a look and your thought?@bitcoinnotcrypto
Regarding a huge retrace, what's worst case? I'm thinking of a huge looming black swan, holding cash like buffet or deep dive
What happens next is Wall Street disappears from the party while the music is still playing.
Leave it to someone holding xrp to say something silly 😜
@ Couldn’t help myself lol
The QQQ inclusion is huge, but do you think the price will actually take off soon or will we see a range-bound phase first? 🤔
who knows where we’ll end up-
for now i’m holding roughly 25% crypto (mainly BTC and ETH, with some DOGE and XRP sprinkled in there) in my portfolio.
as for the other 75%:
it’s about 25% S&P ETFs, 7% MSTR, and the rest is a collection of single stock plays i’ve made mostly over the long term.
currently at a negative realized gain for this year and get funny looks from my tax professional…
but the reason im down (realized) is because i sold poor performing holdings to transition them into opportunities i saw. now im up (unrealized) over 3x the amount that im “down”.
it’s always important to remember the nuance in personal finance, and investing in general.
MSTR only needs one quarter of positive EPS to get into the s&p500 as long as it is big and averages the previous 4 quarters positive. I recon June 2025.
Dump or pump on monday?
What does your gut tell you?
@LukeRoxALot my gut says pump but I bought so probably dump 😂
@jakedaman790 my gut says pump too. We shall see.
I think this weekend we will someone bidding up bitcoin, probably to a new ATH just so they can dump it Monday morning causing a dump in MSTR Monday. They will do this to scoop up MSTR on the cheap so they can sell it later to the fund managers.
Tues Wed will probably be a snap back to New highs In MSTR.
If MSTR continues to increase its number of shares to buy bitcoin, at what point will its price begin to rise?
When they slow down the atm and/or an influx in investor interest.
@@bitcoinnotcryptoso you think next week MSTR will go down and after Dec 23 it’ll go back up? I assumed the opening price would be 20% up next Monday first thing. But I guess it may go down after that
It was inevitable XD
Zeus video would be good.
What is Zeus?
@bitcoinnotcrypto It was mentioned on investanswers. $Zeus is a communication layer that enables the Bitcoin and Solana blockchains to communicate and interact with each other. Essentially, this means that Zeus enables developers to build and scale applications that can seamlessly move assets and information across the Bitcoin and Solana blockchains
Bears already saying it will be taken out after a few months like smci
that's what we call cope
Tenho 130 #MSTR
you look similar to a guy who has a youtube channel and tells scarry or crazy stories.
How can Powell honestly think BTC isn’t eventually a threat to the dollar ? 🤷♂️
He knows it is, but it's unstoppable, best they can do is slow it down. But with the incoming administration, they have to at least get on to the speculative digital gold train.
Shouldn’t be allowed. I’m selling the q’s off all week.
Dude loves underperforming
@ lol do you have my returns for the last two years… no. You guys live in echo chamber of lies. 20+ stocks out performed bitcoin this year.
First 🙋🏼♂
Things for microstrategy were going fantastic till Cintron came along with its 2 cents
Bears can scare.
@bitcoinnotcrypto well the SEC needs to fine him , supposedly he is an agent for hedge funds
Anyone that gives me more time to buy an asset like $MSTR at a discount is my friend.
@@xgmbx3468they roasted a bunch of us that were leveraged up on Mstr.
I heard that MicroStrategy may get rejected from the QQQ in the future. Apparently the rules say that financial companies are excluded. MicroStrategy could be deemed a financial company.
they’ve already been accepted😂
they would have to drop out of the top 100
I thought they were a software company?
It’ll be funny if it dumps on Monday 😂😂😂
It could 🤷 who knows how front run this inclusion has been
@ yeah, I bought some this week just in case it pumps.
I'm guessing some wall street people were a little surprised by the listing so they will buy bitcoin this weekend causing a pump in bitcoin, then Monday before market open they will dump it causing another mini crash, this will cause a dump in MSTR Monday so they can come in and scoop up MSTR on the cheap. In fact I am already seeing signs of that now on Sat night, bitcoin is pumping a bit which is unusual for a Saturday. They are accumulating so they can dump it.
I will be ready Monday morning to buy some more MSTR if this is the stunt they pull. 😊
Too much yappin
Bitcoin not $mstr, mstr is still fiat