I guess ur chromosomes are not as developed as normal people chromosomes are to get that he was complaining about the game not being called a gacha but a “heroes collector” which is fake advertisement, before u ever comment any bulshit again get ur silly brain grown up enough to understand what someone is saying and then start a conversation u dumb
well it is true that most if not all other genre are above gacha games, but they got some sort of prestige of being a money spender or lucky/time spender, especially in asian community, and the more games you play means the more you spent
@@TheVirginityThief its not objectively most regular games slam gacha games in every aspect, want hot characters theres better games for that, want good story better games for that, want better combat theres games for that, the only thing i cant think of a good alternative is the free gambling mechanic but i mean theres literally gambling mobile games that dont make u pay money to do either and its fake currency
I don't understand why both of them are gatekeeping the term gacha gamer. It's so wild to me since tectone in particular hates it when people try to gate keep him.
@@Gilgamesh-em6ru yea man, and like me personally I only really play hoyo games and like wuwa, tof, and pgr… does that mean I’m not a valid gacha gamer because I don’t play gacha games with shitty 2d sprites gameplay? I live the games that I DO play quite a bit. But when it comes to a gacha game, I want the game to look like a game I woukd want to play without the gacha elements, but just have the gacha elements, and that means high quality to a certain extent and 3d.
Funny thing is that he actually used to be much slimmer a few years ago. Used to watch some of his fgo vids back when I played. Bro really just put on a lot of weight after consuming too much gacha. 😂
I watched your channel from the start during the early RSL days, easily the most informative CC for that game. I had no idea you are now the founder of Godforge!
@@thatokperson Yea having learning curves and macro gameplay is one thing like in League tracking enemy laners, vision control and ganking/counter ganking as junglers matter but FGO is "Haha let's overload you with information and bloat mechanics that all blend into each other and if you don't understand the 8000 things you're just bad" is kind of a reach....
@@TieflingUnshackled the thing about FGO is, even if you don't use most of the mechanics you're not really that bad in FGO, we'll be 3turn farming most of the time and for bosses/CQ it's down to having suitable units and CD management, those facecards he shows are heavily RNG reliant even with summer BB and Bunnytoria we still get those full hands of Castoria cards
@@primadansaripudin9269 Yea it was just the way the guy framed the idea of complexity and knowledge. My usual idea and why I like HSR combat is over complex mechanics and interactions don't make things hard or challenging it just makes it hard to approach.
Skill be like double castoria and MLB BG np5 spishtar + Oberon, actual skill is not going insane for the gacha and no auto, a mentally challenged 7 year player btw
@@sillyyoutuber7860Have you ever looked at a Beta for a game before? Godforge looks like it is still in the stage before pre alpha should even be considered…and they are asking for beta signups. His whole point was that a game this early in development should not even be asking for betas, let alone being advertised to people, I mean just look at that gacha “animation.”
This guy is such a sour man. There really was no reason to be so mad about this. I get the feeling that he's jealous of the man. What he's doing might be considered slander since he's actually getting paid being an advisor for a company. I don't know any better but his attitude is kinda cringe.
Yeah 90% was just bs, this guy was just mad because he doesn’t like other gacha ccs and had to make a rant about it. The end of the video especially sounds like he is just jealous. Not to mention there is so much to criticize in his involvement since he was crying about promoting gambling and feeling bad about it on the genshin days and is now pushing a pvp gacha of all things to his audience.
bro you can look at this man's room and lifestyle and Mtashed's family and success and its clear as day that bro is jealous. This video makes me sad to watch
Teccy: I respect real Gacha gamers who play something else and not just hoyo games and WuWa Also Teccy: Barely plays even those games much less other Gacha games
Yeah but at least he's tried those games. I also have tried those games. I do find it a bit odd when people call themselves a gacha gamer if they only play Hoyo games though. I don't call myself a gacha gamer because they aren't my main games. I play competitive games but gacha are nice for detoxing
I actually agree with Tectone here because he has at played played most other gachas for a while. I have even played most of them myself. He doesn’t claim to be a Gacha God but he’s still pretty known in multiple communities. He’s just chill now & playing stuff for fun imo.
Gacha games live and die for the player if it’s not worth their time anymore, Baldman here definitely played a lot more games here but i have to agree he has been streaming less games and just doing only “just chatting” streams most of the time.
The thing he's complaining about with the basic attack, special attack, and ultimate is just showing he's not a major Gatcha player. That is the most COMMON setup for a turn based gatcha game. It's not Star Rail's thing. People only know it FROM Star Rail because Star Rail made it more well known by being popular.
Straight up. Played a game with the same formula. It did add more over time, however it was always a variant or addition to an EXISTING mechanic. It's insane that people think Hoyo invented gacha at this point.
@@PatchDaBluntBlud. It's not that hard. He has played other gacha games before, but the fact that there are other games that had SR's formular even before SR released, and he just straight up calls it SR copy when there are literally other games that did it before SR (The whole formula/UI thingy)
Not fair shwing the animations of a developing game vs a game thats been out forever. and the worst part is that they are almost similar animation wise.
And the funny part is people in FGO have been complaining why can't the animation be skipped for years. But yes, he is comparing 9 years old game with a game in development.
This guy is a tourist too. HSR's systems are basically copied from previous turned-based gacha like Onmyoji. So if he's not a tourist he should be mentioning the actual originals, not the secondhand copy that is HSR.
It doesnt matter We all know hsr has no creativity and is just another rpg that cant innovate Thing is he is right when he expose the gameplay and whatever all these mobile rpg play the same you played summoners or raid you played them all
Have you seen Genshin and starrail recently character released. Moze is literally similar to Ororon. They have been reusing their previous games with different skins and still make millions of dollars.
He isn't a tourist, but it doesn't change that hsr is just as generic as other rpg games of its kind. Still love it. Whether it's original or not is besides the point. He still made some valid criticisms, albeit while being oddly nitpicky here and there and the devs/tash can use some of it. I will say that whole fgo yap is insane when 99% of fgo is just slamming 2 koyan and buster charater and doing the same shit for hours without an auto. Dogshit game and im glad I quit. Anyway I feel like a lot of people are just mindlessly saying this guy is jelly as if ignoring all the valid things he said because he's some self-aware edgy egotistical loser gacha gamer. It's just a criticism video. Ain't that deep.
i got a lotta lashings for saying that hsr does nothing new with its turn based mechanics and even old games like onmyoji have more interesting stuff they coulda just copied. wish they coulda copied their skin system too idk how they make so much money and still can’t even make decent skins or any at all 😭 people were making hsr seem so original and ground breaking w the game play at the start saying it was similar with so many other games from china would just make you the village idiot
Fake gacha players? Strange. Why all this gatekeeping for such a predatory genre? Are YTers who play gacha games not allowed to call themselves gacha gamers until they've played every gacha in the market? Seems idiotic to me. If someone is playing a gacha game, is that not enough to call them a gacha gamer? More importantly, who even cares? Man. At least defend something worth defending.
Yep, just like if you claim you're an "anime fan" and only watched DBZ, Naruto, Demon Slayer, One piece.. completely understand where Teccy is coming from.
@ not the same comparison. If I was making a point that claiming to be a dbz fan while only seeing one episode then your point would make sense but I was saying that watching multiple anime’s makes you an anime fan. It’s like if I listened to multiple artist full discography’s. I would probably consider myself a fan of music
Summary of 2hu video: "I play Gaccha game my whole life therefore i'm special. How dare you involved in gaccha related project, only i deserve the authority over this entire gacha game market (please hire me instead)."
Bro went on the longest fgo tangent ever (and for what?) and showcased 2 units with outdated as hell animations as if they're good. And I say that as an fgo player
Yeah, this is a bit too high on the cringe scale for me. People are unironically trying to gatekeep what a "true" gacha game is trying to act like one persons experiences are somehow less valid over someone elses due to which predarory gambling game they subscribe to. Dont even get me started on the irony of claiming how Hoyoverse games somehow arent the true gacha game experience when they've been creating these games since 2012. The only reason they do this cringe dick measuring contest between hoyoverse and other gacha games is due entirely to Genshins popularity. This cringe is on a whole different level of embarrassing.
The reason he said hoyo games are true gacha experience ie genshin and star rail is cuz a lot of people based their opinions of gacha off of just hoyo games which why wuwa gets so much hate
Bro went out on a huge > FGO way more complex then Star Rail when 99% of fgo content can be solved by 1 castoria + 1 arts dps + 1 borrow castoria Or 1 Koyan + 1 buster dps + 1 borrow Koyan. Really complex gameplay
@@squarebrain6714 add one tamamo on the arts team and use plug and you will still beat any challenge quest they put out. FGO is not that complex, stop trying to pretend that it is.
@@squarebrain6714 add tamamo on the arts team with or add castoria on the buster team, use plug suit and congratulations, you beat every challenge quest out there. Idk why y'all trying to pretend this game is complex at all.
For those who don’t already know what a pre alpha build is for: It’s not even at a build that is supposed to be tested. It’s a build where the core mechanics and UI designs aren’t set in stone. Some core mechanics might not even be properly coded into the game yet. Depending on how the development phase is structured, some assets (3D models, animations, music) may not be produced yet, being replaced by placeholder assets. Judging the summoning animation, it looks like a concept animation that is set to be refined later. There is also a possibility that the Starrail UI layout that the game uses will be tweaked, if it hasn’t already been properly designed yet. Though I will say, that it’s a bad idea to publicly show pre-alphas, especially if you’re using placeholder assets. Any form of marketing should only ever use assets that are already refined. Even alphas aren’t usually shown publicly.
@@jmcMateo Hoyo doesn't need to, Fateless is new and trying to bring the fans along during development stages, It's mainly a showcase to those that follow them and just want to see periodic updates. Could be risky cause then you see outsiders look at this and be like "wtf is this half-ass not-complete clone..." or could pay off as, "oh it's cool how they went from showing us concept arts, to alpha, to beta, now release, and how far they've come"
Yeah exactly this. A lot of things are super super placeholder. So no one should ever look at an alpha from an artistic perspective. Even looking at it from a gameplay/content perspective is really iffy because it could massively change.
@@jmcMateo I could just tell they’re winging their marketing strategies. It also baffles me that they were trying to advertise a half-unfinished raid lookalike, while calling it a “hero collector turn-based RPG” to an audience of hoyo players. None of Mtashed’s audience is going to drop HSR to play Fateless. And those of his audience who haven’t picked up HSR yet, certainly aren’t going to be picking up Fateless instead.
@@Karuzen Except they set themselves up for the reaction of “wtf is this” by advertising this game towards a hoyo/wuwa audience. A lot of gacha gamers exclusively play hoyo games and wuwa because they are the most visually polished games on the market.
Iirc I think he also did skadi, now he is jobless and trying real hard to make it as a cc. Imagine if he had saved the money instead, at least he would be a little better financially and not on the brink of being homeless
Looking at this guy , suddenly i am even more glad that tectone calls people like me who started playing with genshin a tourists , because looking at this guy is jsut sad
As someone doing game dev copying UI layouts from successful games is good because of the familiarity it brings to the users. It's taught in college too.
The amount of assuming this guy is doing is off the charts. I don't like how the game is looking myself either, but any actual intelligent person would read "pre-alpha" and realize making a video bashing on it when they haven't even had the chance to cook (the just turning the oven on for christ sake) is gonna make you look like nothing short of a clown.
It takes like 10 sec to go to the godforge page to see he is not a consultant or anything this dude says. He is QA and community voice. He has zero part in the development of the game. Also Godforge working with people who took part in triple A titles and pre-alpha build is full of whitebox to protect the final product from poaching.
MTrash has such a sad story, he would rather sell his soul playing games he doesn't even like for views rather than the games he actually likes because he gets no views. No wonder he keeps trying to quit every game he plays.
It’s not a Star rail copy it’s a raid copy at least he should get it right the only Honkai Star rail similarity is the camera angle and that angle isn’t unusual for a turn based combat game
FGO is a game that came out in 2015 and Godforge is a game being developed at 2024. The fact that we can compare a 2015 and 2024 game should tell you the fact that it is gonna be 100% sh!t.
Nah man if you are a fate/nasu verse fan you would have already play this game No one after 2017 who never play mobile game after seeing that shit be like " damn this is fire" I know because I used to play it
5:03 started Genshin a few months ago and was wondering why characters were muted for new events, thought it was just a bug that they refused to fix. Now I know.
23:04 I feel like I've heard similar thing in the past where a cc, outside of gacha, got sponsored by mihoyo, but in the contract they don't want the guy to say "waifu"
I mean the thing about FGO vs Godforge when he showed the footage of animations is that it's comparing a 2015 game designed to run on bare minimum phone specs from 10 years ago vs. a 2025 game - so if they're both ass, I feel like that's still more embarrassing for Godforge
Believe the Fateless CC states that it's still not polished in the special effects when it comes to attacks in that video lol he just wanted to show the overall setup of how it'll be similar to RSL turn-based attacks. If it stays like that on global release, then yes, they need to be laughed at at that point lol
The first gacha game I played was FGO, i didn't even know what gacha was at the time, I just liked Fate series. I was so into it, i had to illegally download FGO on my cellphone, because it wasn't available on my country at the time. Then, I played Obey Me, and then, Genshin. So I don't think I know much about gacha :')
18:03 this can always work. onmyoji, an older very popular turn based rpg, there’s a mode where you pick pre built characters that are given to you randomly and have to use them to go against other players. it’s quite fun especially playing characters you haven’t built or gotten yet. it is luck based in a way where you can get characters that are more easily countered but it’s a super fun pvp mode.
I've played the Hoyoverse games and E7 but personally, I'm a BA Enthusiast. There are some others but I either don't play them anymore or EOS. Anyone remember Ayakashi Ghost Guild?
Pepperidge farm ‘members. But man, it’s funny seeing second generation and third generation gacha gamers argue about who’s the true gacha players while us first generation (Ayakashi/Valkyrie Crusade/RoB/AgeofIshtaria/etc.) gamers are just vibin on top the corpses of our dead games while appreciating how things evolved with the newer generations.
To quote a tweet I saw: "What yall think about the concept that you arent a "real" gacha player if you only play Hoyo/WuWa. Believe me i tried and every other gacha was straight up dogshit 2/10 tier."
Calling yourself a "Gacha gamer" and shitting on people because they play the popular gachas (they are popular because they are the best btw) is just delusional virtue signalling, elitism and attention seeking. Dude is hating just because.
@@flamingdeathbanana Um no not really. They are objectively good games. You can dislike a game but that doesn't mean it's a bad game. Also yeah unfortunately for gacha most of them are not good
@@flamingdeathbananaTo be fair, I've played Gacha since 2014 and none of them quite revolutionised Gacha Games/ broke out of containment faster like Genshin and Wuthering Waves does because of their quality and gameplay. Older Gacha games are typically bound to niche, mobile gaming gameplays (turn based, tower defense, what have you) that didn't appeal to the majority of heavy rpg gamers back then (this was filled by MMOs as a genre before MMOs got phased out of popularity)
not gonna lie till i see tectone actually make a vid on his main channel about a gacha game more recent and not once every 3 months lol all i see is drama, wuwa, star rail and zzz hes a tourist too XD
The punishing difficulty spikes in wuwa activate my neurons. When i beat it its the most satisfying feeling. Same thing with pgr. Facing a 100x health bar boss that could kill me in 2 hits, for the first time had me apprehensive asf but damn its the most fun ive ever had in a gacha EVER. Kuro really does it for me forreal.
Tbf most hoyo users are not really gacha players, you can clearly see that when all they do is complain how "hard" content is, complain about "powercreep", and complaining about how complicate combat is, like really they are just there to collect characters, play some side minigames that have nothing to do with the game and play a super extended visual novel.
Will tash man quit his own gacha game too? Lol
would be in character xD
Aight bet 😂
no one likes shttash
Hell yeah 😂
Watching him and tec praising pgr but they both quit because they had skill issues lmfao.
This 2hu guy seems like a very well rounded person with impecable mental health.
Lol I thought I was the only one listening to this and thinking if the dude was ok.
@@jcruz2255 Not the first time he'd go after someone whilst making the dumbest of takes.
Discord moderator energy
Why is he so upset????
he's played too much gacha and is delusional 😂 he should get hired because he played all of gachas in the world 😂
Brother complaining about the horrendous 3d animation then had the gall to show me the 7 deadly frames of animation
I guess ur chromosomes are not as developed as normal people chromosomes are to get that he was complaining about the game not being called a gacha but a “heroes collector” which is fake advertisement, before u ever comment any bulshit again get ur silly brain grown up enough to understand what someone is saying and then start a conversation u dumb
Ngl saying "I played more gachas then you" is not a flex. It like powerscaling being a d-eater. Most regular games are much better then gacha games.
well it is true that most if not all other genre are above gacha games, but they got some sort of prestige of being a money spender or lucky/time spender, especially in asian community, and the more games you play means the more you spent
@@Biohacker777its a very asian thing indeed lol
That's debatable
@@TheVirginityThief its not objectively most regular games slam gacha games in every aspect, want hot characters theres better games for that, want good story better games for that, want better combat theres games for that, the only thing i cant think of a good alternative is the free gambling mechanic but i mean theres literally gambling mobile games that dont make u pay money to do either and its fake currency
This. Its even worse if you spend in them
"Oh no dude Tectone is starting drama again"
- TheHomieBiimow
The homie TAO is gone he is gone licking yelan armpits lmaoo
Omg it’s the funny yakooza guy hello
Never let me forget about that soy pussy
@@DrVeritasRatio real talk tho, mf nuked his entire content from his channel lmao
@@burrzie8446yeah he nuked his channel
That guy is the definition of jealousy. He is so mad for absolutly no reason. So sad honestly
Im so glad people lile you exist so I can laugh at you.@@gamerbeast3616
Honestly, dont know why anyone should feel jealous over a RAID SHADOW LEGENDS rippoff....
I don't understand why both of them are gatekeeping the term gacha gamer. It's so wild to me since tectone in particular hates it when people try to gate keep him.
@@Gilgamesh-em6ru yea man, and like me personally I only really play hoyo games and like wuwa, tof, and pgr… does that mean I’m not a valid gacha gamer because I don’t play gacha games with shitty 2d sprites gameplay? I live the games that I DO play quite a bit. But when it comes to a gacha game, I want the game to look like a game I woukd want to play without the gacha elements, but just have the gacha elements, and that means high quality to a certain extent and 3d.
Bro literally looks like a actual gacha gamer 😂
Because bro is one 😮💨
He’s the ultimate gacha gamer. He made a video about how terrible his addiction is, albeit not terrible in his eyes. lol
Funny thing is that he actually used to be much slimmer a few years ago. Used to watch some of his fgo vids back when I played. Bro really just put on a lot of weight after consuming too much gacha. 😂
his background. dude gives mad creep incel vibes
Those walls....😂
I am founder of Godforge, if you want an actual chat about what we’re up to, happy to come and chat to you 😂
❤
I watched your channel from the start during the early RSL days, easily the most informative CC for that game. I had no idea you are now the founder of Godforge!
Hey
As much as 2hu explained about FGO's mechanics, most of the time we just put two koyans with a buster farmers anyway
I agree knowledge can be skill but I think bro missed that information bloat does not equal knowledge based skill
@@thatokperson Yea having learning curves and macro gameplay is one thing like in League tracking enemy laners, vision control and ganking/counter ganking as junglers matter but FGO is "Haha let's overload you with information and bloat mechanics that all blend into each other and if you don't understand the 8000 things you're just bad" is kind of a reach....
@@TieflingUnshackled the thing about FGO is, even if you don't use most of the mechanics you're not really that bad in FGO, we'll be 3turn farming most of the time and for bosses/CQ it's down to having suitable units and CD management, those facecards he shows are heavily RNG reliant even with summer BB and Bunnytoria we still get those full hands of Castoria cards
@@primadansaripudin9269 Yea it was just the way the guy framed the idea of complexity and knowledge. My usual idea and why I like HSR combat is over complex mechanics and interactions don't make things hard or challenging it just makes it hard to approach.
Skill be like double castoria and MLB BG np5 spishtar + Oberon, actual skill is not going insane for the gacha and no auto, a mentally challenged 7 year player btw
he seems bitter lol and i’m guessing he dislike mtash at the beginning 😅this video seems like he mad he didn’t get the job haha
Yeah this felt too personal
gatekeeping gachas this hard is the cringiest most sad thing ive seen today
Went from Mtash trashing to a FGO ad lol
2hu was inspired by envi and iyo "I should be the ONLY MF to be consulted on Gacha games!"
he does consistently call himself, "The god of gacha games" on his channel
ngl this guy seems bitter as hell. like calm down buddy
100%
apart from the characterdesigns stuff he seems to be overreacting. its in beta. provide valid criticism and try to avoid just shitting on him.
@@sillyyoutuber7860Have you ever looked at a Beta for a game before? Godforge looks like it is still in the stage before pre alpha should even be considered…and they are asking for beta signups. His whole point was that a game this early in development should not even be asking for betas, let alone being advertised to people, I mean just look at that gacha “animation.”
@@sillyyoutuber7860its not even in beta. Its not even in alpha lol. Its barely any more than concept footage at this point
This guy is such a sour man. There really was no reason to be so mad about this. I get the feeling that he's jealous of the man. What he's doing might be considered slander since he's actually getting paid being an advisor for a company. I don't know any better but his attitude is kinda cringe.
Omg the funny part that he is proud of his backround 😂😂
Its just disguisting
Yeah 90% was just bs, this guy was just mad because he doesn’t like other gacha ccs and had to make a rant about it. The end of the video especially sounds like he is just jealous.
Not to mention there is so much to criticize in his involvement since he was crying about promoting gambling and feeling bad about it on the genshin days and is now pushing a pvp gacha of all things to his audience.
this guy is creepy as fuck LOL how is this weirdo going after mtash
@@DigbigbombigFrrr, 😭🙏 like he doesn’t even have any strong points
bro you can look at this man's room and lifestyle and Mtashed's family and success and its clear as day that bro is jealous. This video makes me sad to watch
Teccy: I respect real Gacha gamers who play something else and not just hoyo games and WuWa
Also Teccy: Barely plays even those games much less other Gacha games
yeah he used to tho and he doesn't claim to be a gacha streamer.
Yeah but at least he's tried those games. I also have tried those games. I do find it a bit odd when people call themselves a gacha gamer if they only play Hoyo games though. I don't call myself a gacha gamer because they aren't my main games. I play competitive games but gacha are nice for detoxing
Tec also said it himself a few times that he's a reactor, not a gacha streamer or whatever have you.
I actually agree with Tectone here because he has at played played most other gachas for a while. I have even played most of them myself. He doesn’t claim to be a Gacha God but he’s still pretty known in multiple communities. He’s just chill now & playing stuff for fun imo.
Gacha games live and die for the player if it’s not worth their time anymore, Baldman here definitely played a lot more games here but i have to agree he has been streaming less games and just doing only “just chatting” streams most of the time.
The thing he's complaining about with the basic attack, special attack, and ultimate is just showing he's not a major Gatcha player. That is the most COMMON setup for a turn based gatcha game. It's not Star Rail's thing. People only know it FROM Star Rail because Star Rail made it more well known by being popular.
Straight up.
Played a game with the same formula. It did add more over time, however it was always a variant or addition to an EXISTING mechanic.
It's insane that people think Hoyo invented gacha at this point.
I don’t get it ?😂 so you can’t play a gatcha game and call yourself a gatcha gamer ?it’s still a gatcha game
its an action rpg thing actually
@@PatchDaBluntBlud. It's not that hard. He has played other gacha games before, but the fact that there are other games that had SR's formular even before SR released, and he just straight up calls it SR copy when there are literally other games that did it before SR (The whole formula/UI thingy)
So what? That's still garbage
Not fair shwing the animations of a developing game vs a game thats been out forever. and the worst part is that they are almost similar animation wise.
And the funny part is people in FGO have been complaining why can't the animation be skipped for years. But yes, he is comparing 9 years old game with a game in development.
If you are going to show something to the press, it needs to be good. this isn't some closed room conference with concept footage.
@@11luismpI do agree with that, why so off something that looks like dogshit. Game looks like Raid 1.5 and probably won’t get much better.
If I play another gacha games that are not from hoyoverse:
I should be the only mf praised because i play other gacha games!!....
It’s sad Gacha doesn’t have a you
This guy is a tourist too. HSR's systems are basically copied from previous turned-based gacha like Onmyoji. So if he's not a tourist he should be mentioning the actual originals, not the secondhand copy that is HSR.
It doesnt matter We all know hsr has no creativity and is just another rpg that cant innovate
Thing is he is right when he expose the gameplay and whatever all these mobile rpg play the same you played summoners or raid you played them all
Have you seen Genshin and starrail recently character released. Moze is literally similar to Ororon. They have been reusing their previous games with different skins and still make millions of dollars.
He isn't a tourist, but it doesn't change that hsr is just as generic as other rpg games of its kind. Still love it. Whether it's original or not is besides the point. He still made some valid criticisms, albeit while being oddly nitpicky here and there and the devs/tash can use some of it.
I will say that whole fgo yap is insane when 99% of fgo is just slamming 2 koyan and buster charater and doing the same shit for hours without an auto. Dogshit game and im glad I quit.
Anyway I feel like a lot of people are just mindlessly saying this guy is jelly as if ignoring all the valid things he said because he's some self-aware edgy egotistical loser gacha gamer. It's just a criticism video. Ain't that deep.
@S3ymira you're saying a 4-star is a copy of a 4-star, and that's how they're raking in money? On cutting corners on the designs of 4-stars?
i got a lotta lashings for saying that hsr does nothing new with its turn based mechanics and even old games like onmyoji have more interesting stuff they coulda just copied. wish they coulda copied their skin system too idk how they make so much money and still can’t even make decent skins or any at all 😭 people were making hsr seem so original and ground breaking w the game play at the start saying it was similar with so many other games from china would just make you the village idiot
Bro pre alpha, your still adding the ingredients.
Alpha is your ready to put it together.
Beta is your ready to cook it.
Fake gacha players? Strange. Why all this gatekeeping for such a predatory genre?
Are YTers who play gacha games not allowed to call themselves gacha gamers until they've played every gacha in the market? Seems idiotic to me. If someone is playing a gacha game, is that not enough to call them a gacha gamer? More importantly, who even cares? Man. At least defend something worth defending.
Yep, just like if you claim you're an "anime fan" and only watched DBZ, Naruto, Demon Slayer, One piece.. completely understand where Teccy is coming from.
ngl it's giving those ppl who call ur music taste trash cs u only listen to popular artists
@@ML-yn9yu you’re an anime fan if you watch those?
By yOur logic im a fan of every music artist that i have heared one of their songs
@ not the same comparison. If I was making a point that claiming to be a dbz fan while only seeing one episode then your point would make sense but I was saying that watching multiple anime’s makes you an anime fan. It’s like if I listened to multiple artist full discography’s. I would probably consider myself a fan of music
Is 2hu in a villain arc or does he actually feel this way? 'Cause if he actually feels this way, might be time to take a break from video games
Summary of 2hu video: "I play Gaccha game my whole life therefore i'm special. How dare you involved in gaccha related project, only i deserve the authority over this entire gacha game market (please hire me instead)."
So you didn't watch the video.
Exactly bro
He should be the only mf*ker getting praise in the gacha community!
He is pretty convincing tho that godforge belongs to the 🗑️
@@razanix92 from what they are showing so far, i agree
Bro went on the longest fgo tangent ever (and for what?) and showcased 2 units with outdated as hell animations as if they're good. And I say that as an fgo player
If this 2hu dude is the face of the average gacha players i'd happily be a tourist lmao
"I'm the only one who should get hired to make a gacha game" vibe
Yeah, this is a bit too high on the cringe scale for me. People are unironically trying to gatekeep what a "true" gacha game is trying to act like one persons experiences are somehow less valid over someone elses due to which predarory gambling game they subscribe to.
Dont even get me started on the irony of claiming how Hoyoverse games somehow arent the true gacha game experience when they've been creating these games since 2012.
The only reason they do this cringe dick measuring contest between hoyoverse and other gacha games is due entirely to Genshins popularity.
This cringe is on a whole different level of embarrassing.
The reason he said hoyo games are true gacha experience ie genshin and star rail is cuz a lot of people based their opinions of gacha off of just hoyo games which why wuwa gets so much hate
Not so thinly veiled FGO sponsored video
All I heard from this video was "why mtash make gacha game and not me?????"
This guy definitely feels insulted when other people play only Hoyoverse stuff and call themselves a Gacha gamer.
Tectone is pretty fair here. Does the game look kinda bad…. Yeah. But is this guy also being kinda petty…. Also yeah lol
All games in pre-alpha look shitty tbh
does he actually think all that fgo yap actually made it sound "highly mechanic"? bro 😂
Bro went out on a huge > FGO way more complex then Star Rail when 99% of fgo content can be solved by
1 castoria + 1 arts dps + 1 borrow castoria
Or
1 Koyan + 1 buster dps + 1 borrow Koyan.
Really complex gameplay
Well tbh its mostly counts for Farming. Harder advance quest needs some tactic and rng to finish.
Man, did you tried something outside farming events? :D
@@squarebrain6714 add one tamamo on the arts team and use plug and you will still beat any challenge quest they put out.
FGO is not that complex, stop trying to pretend that it is.
@@squarebrain6714 add tamamo on the arts team with or add castoria on the buster team, use plug suit and congratulations, you beat every challenge quest out there.
Idk why y'all trying to pretend this game is complex at all.
@@squarebrain6714 Farming is what you do 99% of the time lmao
For those who don’t already know what a pre alpha build is for:
It’s not even at a build that is supposed to be tested. It’s a build where the core mechanics and UI designs aren’t set in stone. Some core mechanics might not even be properly coded into the game yet. Depending on how the development phase is structured, some assets (3D models, animations, music) may not be produced yet, being replaced by placeholder assets.
Judging the summoning animation, it looks like a concept animation that is set to be refined later. There is also a possibility that the Starrail UI layout that the game uses will be tweaked, if it hasn’t already been properly designed yet.
Though I will say, that it’s a bad idea to publicly show pre-alphas, especially if you’re using placeholder assets. Any form of marketing should only ever use assets that are already refined. Even alphas aren’t usually shown publicly.
Yea that's the problem they're presenting pre alpha gameplay. HoYo didn't do this w HSR for example
@@jmcMateo Hoyo doesn't need to, Fateless is new and trying to bring the fans along during development stages, It's mainly a showcase to those that follow them and just want to see periodic updates. Could be risky cause then you see outsiders look at this and be like "wtf is this half-ass not-complete clone..." or could pay off as, "oh it's cool how they went from showing us concept arts, to alpha, to beta, now release, and how far they've come"
Yeah exactly this. A lot of things are super super placeholder. So no one should ever look at an alpha from an artistic perspective. Even looking at it from a gameplay/content perspective is really iffy because it could massively change.
@@jmcMateo I could just tell they’re winging their marketing strategies. It also baffles me that they were trying to advertise a half-unfinished raid lookalike, while calling it a “hero collector turn-based RPG” to an audience of hoyo players.
None of Mtashed’s audience is going to drop HSR to play Fateless. And those of his audience who haven’t picked up HSR yet, certainly aren’t going to be picking up Fateless instead.
@@Karuzen Except they set themselves up for the reaction of “wtf is this” by advertising this game towards a hoyo/wuwa audience. A lot of gacha gamers exclusively play hoyo games and wuwa because they are the most visually polished games on the market.
2hu literally the "uhm actually " emote
The jealousy and bitterness is wild.
Tldr: Bro wants a job LMAOOO
The guy was too bitter that even a Bitter gourd cant swallow him. deym lol
this guy is 100% a discord mod for a loli vtuber
This is the guy that pulled like 25 Merlins in FGO for no good reason.
Iirc I think he also did skadi, now he is jobless and trying real hard to make it as a cc. Imagine if he had saved the money instead, at least he would be a little better financially and not on the brink of being homeless
@@grabakrfen9337 what kind of job did he have to afford all that anyways?
Bruh... I've watched over 17minutes of this and the man doesn't point out any significant point to be THAT mad over.
"I AM the only mf that deserves to be praised"
Apparently bro is a weeb thats why he hates gamers, Probably.
I had a stroke at the FGO portion
Sounds like a hater. A nothing burger.
Also, having FGO mechanic being explained triggered my PTSD. So glad I only have a short stay on that game.
This guy has never touched grass in his entire life. Hooooooooooly
Looking at this guy , suddenly i am even more glad that tectone calls people like me who started playing with genshin a tourists , because looking at this guy is jsut sad
when he started explaining FGO, my brain just turned off. why did that go on for so long? was this video a secret FGO promo?
Someone in twitch chat said "shit vs turd" for the graphics comparison 💀💀💀💀💀
Lunchly vs Lunchables
if you know brave frontier and Ushi gaming, you a real one
The guy who went free to play crying about how predatory gacha games are is not making his own gacha game. Rat behaviour
As someone doing game dev copying UI layouts from successful games is good because of the familiarity it brings to the users. It's taught in college too.
No way bro brought out the Adventure Quest comparison 💀
GATEKEEPING GACHA AND CALLING HOYO AND KURO PLAYERS FAKE LMAO, THESE GACHA PEOPLE SHOULD GET A GRP
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@@_keruSHUT UR TRAP, EVERYBODY IS A FUCKIN TOURIST
@@_keru sure bruh, whatever helps u sleep at night
Dude looked like he was going to swing one out of the screen 🤣
This turned into a FGO ad real quick...
The amount of assuming this guy is doing is off the charts.
I don't like how the game is looking myself either, but any actual intelligent person would read "pre-alpha" and realize making a video bashing on it when they haven't even had the chance to cook (the just turning the oven on for christ sake) is gonna make you look like nothing short of a clown.
He the main character of a bully mahnwa
It takes like 10 sec to go to the godforge page to see he is not a consultant or anything this dude says. He is QA and community voice. He has zero part in the development of the game. Also Godforge working with people who took part in triple A titles and pre-alpha build is full of whitebox to protect the final product from poaching.
Ok nah bro just compared the animations of a game in pre alpha to a game that has been out for over a decade.
dude talking about every turn based game since pokemon and then calling it an hsr clone xD
Again, brain rot players thinking hoyo did games first.
Rover is speaking not totally mute.
Oh this guy huh. Yeah 2hu ain’t exactly known for being the sharpest tool in the shed
instructions unclear, cant find the auto button in fgo🥀
genshin, generous? hmm, define generous.🤣🤣😂😂
Play FGO.
@@padorupadoru8029 hey fgo is not that bad. you can guarantee yourself 1 five star every year.
3 intertwined fates for the anniversary
@@cgocbya5204for the 3rd anniversary, 1 pull for each year lol
Bro 3 fates is basically three 5 stars which is very generous.
Why is this guy so mad?
Just to make this clear: Reading is a skill.
the gatekeeping was a little weird lol "you're not a real gacha player if you only play hoyo games and ww"
blud just comes off as a childish freak and that kinda kills his criticism
MTrash has such a sad story, he would rather sell his soul playing games he doesn't even like for views rather than the games he actually likes because he gets no views. No wonder he keeps trying to quit every game he plays.
It’s not a Star rail copy it’s a raid copy at least he should get it right the only Honkai Star rail similarity is the camera angle and that angle isn’t unusual for a turn based combat game
Lookin fairly healthy teccy
FGO is a game that came out in 2015 and Godforge is a game being developed at 2024. The fact that we can compare a 2015 and 2024 game should tell you the fact that it is gonna be 100% sh!t.
This FGO ad went crazy
Nah man if you are a fate/nasu verse fan you would have already play this game
No one after 2017 who never play mobile game after seeing that shit be like " damn this is fire"
I know because I used to play it
The Mount Rushmore or Gacha gaming definitely doubles as a fully functional set of urinals.
Imagine being called a gacha gamer instead of a normal gamer now that's gotta sting
Ngl the fgo footage bro showed just made me think it fucking ass since god forge would probably have netter animations by beta
5:03 started Genshin a few months ago and was wondering why characters were muted for new events, thought it was just a bug that they refused to fix. Now I know.
Was totally not expecting us to think the exact same thing at 33:00
bro just made an ad i guess
First thing I see when I open the video is his wall.
What a horrible day to have eyes.
23:04 I feel like I've heard similar thing in the past where a cc, outside of gacha, got sponsored by mihoyo, but in the contract they don't want the guy to say "waifu"
I mean the thing about FGO vs Godforge when he showed the footage of animations is that it's comparing a 2015 game designed to run on bare minimum phone specs from 10 years ago vs. a 2025 game - so if they're both ass, I feel like that's still more embarrassing for Godforge
Believe the Fateless CC states that it's still not polished in the special effects when it comes to attacks in that video lol he just wanted to show the overall setup of how it'll be similar to RSL turn-based attacks. If it stays like that on global release, then yes, they need to be laughed at at that point lol
The actual thing is that it's in development footage of a game that didn't even have a beta yet.
Unspoken rule of pvp gacha: They are whale territory. ppl climb up not because they're skilled but because they can swipe their credit card
The first gacha game I played was FGO, i didn't even know what gacha was at the time, I just liked Fate series. I was so into it, i had to illegally download FGO on my cellphone, because it wasn't available on my country at the time. Then, I played Obey Me, and then, Genshin. So I don't think I know much about gacha :')
18:03 this can always work. onmyoji, an older very popular turn based rpg, there’s a mode where you pick pre built characters that are given to you randomly and have to use them to go against other players. it’s quite fun especially playing characters you haven’t built or gotten yet. it is luck based in a way where you can get characters that are more easily countered but it’s a super fun pvp mode.
I've played the Hoyoverse games and E7 but personally, I'm a BA Enthusiast. There are some others but I either don't play them anymore or EOS. Anyone remember Ayakashi Ghost Guild?
Pepperidge farm ‘members. But man, it’s funny seeing second generation and third generation gacha gamers argue about who’s the true gacha players while us first generation (Ayakashi/Valkyrie Crusade/RoB/AgeofIshtaria/etc.) gamers are just vibin on top the corpses of our dead games while appreciating how things evolved with the newer generations.
I'm a bigger Gacha player then those channels he's calling out!
And that's just sad
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Tectone: "Spend money and you will be a god!"
Me: "Spend money and you will be a coat rack!"
To quote a tweet I saw: "What yall think about the concept that you arent a "real" gacha player if you only play Hoyo/WuWa. Believe me i tried and every other gacha was straight up dogshit 2/10 tier."
who in the world want to be acknowledge as gacha gamer rather than regular gamer?
As a day 1 NA FGO player why did he compare the animations 😭 that’s kinda embarrassing
Calling yourself a "Gacha gamer" and shitting on people because they play the popular gachas (they are popular because they are the best btw) is just delusional virtue signalling, elitism and attention seeking. Dude is hating just because.
Not necissarily. Bad games being popular is a tale as old as gaming. Look at ALL the EA Sports games. Or the most popular FPS games.
@@flamingdeathbanana Um no not really. They are objectively good games. You can dislike a game but that doesn't mean it's a bad game. Also yeah unfortunately for gacha most of them are not good
@@flamingdeathbananaTo be fair, I've played Gacha since 2014 and none of them quite revolutionised Gacha Games/ broke out of containment faster like Genshin and Wuthering Waves does because of their quality and gameplay. Older Gacha games are typically bound to niche, mobile gaming gameplays (turn based, tower defense, what have you) that didn't appeal to the majority of heavy rpg gamers back then (this was filled by MMOs as a genre before MMOs got phased out of popularity)
LMFAO.They the best? you must be a special kind of retard
Bro just made another RAID SHADOW LEGENDS. 😂😂
That's one way to do an fgo add this feels like a work
not gonna lie till i see tectone actually make a vid on his main channel about a gacha game more recent and not once every 3 months lol all i see is drama, wuwa, star rail and zzz hes a tourist too XD
The punishing difficulty spikes in wuwa activate my neurons. When i beat it its the most satisfying feeling. Same thing with pgr. Facing a 100x health bar boss that could kill me in 2 hits, for the first time had me apprehensive asf but damn its the most fun ive ever had in a gacha EVER. Kuro really does it for me forreal.
4:56 calm down this en problems jp cn kr didn't get effected also hsr is effected that's not the community or company fault
"Leave my million dollar company alone" ahhhh comment
@@nirifer7275iam not defending a company iam saying it's nobody fault
Tbf most hoyo users are not really gacha players, you can clearly see that when all they do is complain how "hard" content is, complain about "powercreep", and complaining about how complicate combat is, like really they are just there to collect characters, play some side minigames that have nothing to do with the game and play a super extended visual novel.
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