425: The Acolyte! Kevin Smith/Marc Bernardin - FMB LIVE 6/12/24
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Kevin Smith and Marc Bernardin enter the virtual Scum & Villainy Cantina to talk about the latest Disney+ Star Wars series The Acolyte, talk about the latest in entertainment news, and maybe take in a few Q's to A.
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Start at (Kevin edit someone else movie) : 2:32
Tushy sponsors : 15:44
What's new with Marc : 20:42
Kevin slowing activities down : 24:14
Harder time for everyone : 30:42
Trailers talk : 40:24
Funny anecdotes : 43:40
The Acolyte talk : 57:12
News : Shawn Levy to be director of the next Avengers : 1:40:00
News : Sony buys Alamo Drafthouse : 1:44:24
Moviepass Documentary & 40X talk: 1:49:46
Jenny Nicholson SW hotel video : 2:03:25
News : Blade movie director : 2:10:44
News : New villain in Captain America 4 : 2:18:37
News : The Boys ending soon : 2:23:15
Comicstorian dies at 40 : 2:24:25
Audience Q&A : 2:30:16
... Did Kevin break Neby!?!? 😮😮
Kevin and Ralph Garman have hinted at possibly ending Hollywood Babble On after 15 years.
JC is really short-sighted. He complains about Jenny making a video about SW, yet he owns a bar…
Haven't watched anything yet, but just scanning the topics, this kind of looks like a bummer. Have not really been excited about a lot of stuff lately, it always seems to be the same old thing.
Thank you for stamping it
JC should watch Jenny Nicholson's video. She didnt go into that to rip it apart. She went into it to try to play along, and it didn't work for her.
He doesn’t want to watch it, why should he? He had the experience and liked it, why watch someone else not like it… it’s 4 hours.
@@jpetersgoyanksno one is saying he has to watch it. What people are saying is that he is wrong for trying to invalidate her bad experience and trying to put her down all while never actually seeing what she said and instead got all his information from blurbs taken by people reactioning to her. Just like he had a good experience, she had a bad one and his good experience doesn't change the fact that she had a bad one and it wasn't her fault. Like for example fir a show she was seated behind a pillar and could not see most of the show because of this, something that they bring up and he ignores claiming you get what you put into it
2:07:00 Bampf Man's petulant take on Jenny's Star Wars Hotel video, which he didn't even watch any of, is so goddam dumb and hypocritical, your entire industry is based on fans critiquing the things they love and pay for. She's a connoisseur of theme-based attractions and is 100% a Star Wars fan, every single thing she said was in-depth, researched, fair and thought out for 4 hours, even her goddam app that was central to the main experience didn't work for the thousands of dollars spent
... Yeah, it was a bad take, but it was an emotional reaction. People are people. Put yourself in his shoes. He has said before that it revitalized his love for Star Wars. For him, the experience was a dream he barely made happen. Clearly his experience was different and he knows it would affect how he remembered it (which, when he was talking about the snippets friends would share him on, it was clear those snippets had already challenged his memory of the experience).
You and most people would feel the same..
@@TheBigBMoss imo his desire to save his pristine precious memory doesn't excuse implying Jenny was wrong because she didn't put in the effort, "you get out what you put in" - in addition to the whole video, she had a dedicated section explaining why that's not valid - he's blaming the fans because they weren't good enough to understand the hotel
if you truly love something you will want it to be as good as it can be, that includes hearing quality criticism, why wouldn't he want his experience to be what others have if it was so great
This is a common conflict when people say things like "if you don't like it then just don't buy it", that's not how fandom works and he more than most should know that at the deepest level
She was 100% excited to be there and trying to Role play along with the cast too!
His first reaction is to accuse her of not paying for her stay. Bampf man didn't pay for his either 😂
Her SW hotel review is incredible and good on her for calling out Disney for how expensive the experience is for very little.
JC, buddy. Jenny didn't go in there wanting to make a hit piece on the Star Wars Hotel. She wanted it to be good. She was excited. You'd know that if you watched her video.
Kevin Smith nerding out over Wrath of Khan makes my fucking day. That movie is 100% masterpiece. Flawless film.
JC, she did not go there looking for crack, she did not go there to pick it apart, from the video she went to play and have fun and it did not work out. Her experience was bad and at $6K they are a fair criticism.
Yeah it's obvious he didn't watch the video
@@apocalypsepow He sure felt free to criticize it, though.
All of JC’s criticisms of the Nicholson video fall apart if he actually watched it.
I just got done watching her video. I agree. She tried hard to play along and do the story. She got hosed. I appreciate that Kevin defended her.
Congratulations on the feature film Marc. I was a backer on Splinter so I'm very happy to hear there's a continuation
Where can you see the last one?
oof i love all three of these dudes and realistically always will. But wow hearing JC shit on Jenny’s video without having an inking of knowledge regarding it was extremely difficult to watch. expected better :/
JC has no idea what he is talking about regarding that Star Cruiser video. He obviously has no idea who Jenny is, she's a big Star Wars and theme park fan and really wanted to love it. I mean, she used to have a show called the Millenial Falcon. Like I said, big fan.
He admits he didn't actually watch her video and instead only knows about it from grifters hating on her
We need an episode where every time Kevin cuts himself down, he has to donate $100 to charity.
I don't think he has that much money. At least it might mean a Clerks: Next Generation movie, followed by two sequels and spin-offs to get the money together. 🙂
You know what's so wonderful about Kevin talking about Logic's movie? He's talking about it like it has inspired him in the exact same way Clerks inspired generations of young filmmakers in the 90s. Someone finally gave it back to him.
This now feels like a work zoom conference
It’s nice to see the boys back together ☺️
Kevin being the sole voice of reason during that Jenny Nicholson discussion. That other guy came in HEATED for a video he didn't even watch.
He took it so personally
Not only did he not watch it, he based his opinion on other You Tubers opinions. LITERALLY the problem with alot of things in the world today...........
I like that JC was ready to defend something… I never get mad at someone passionately defending something.
@@jpetersgoyanks he's passionately (and blindly) taking a swing at someone without even attempting to understand what they were even saying.
That other guy? He owns the most famous space themed bar. It makes sense he's passionate about it
The Old Man Beyond conversations are important lessons for the younger fans because if they don't understand the economics behind funding their fandoms, they risk losing them altogether in the future
it took 25 years for kevin to realise he's a director
I don't know if Kevin or Mark read this but while you were talking about Star Trek and said the movies brought you into it. I was nine when it started on Thursday, September 8, 1966. There were no Star Wars yet. So it was the biggest thing to watch then. We were in the middle of the space race, so it was big to a kid like me. That is the reason I went to see Star Wars 21 times in 1977 in the theater.
Why is being honest about something "tearing it down"?
One could just as easily ask: Why is tearing something down "being honest about it?"
@@sinistar99 how is Nicholson tearing it down? By mentioning that Disney didn't pay actors properly and they had to find out they were fired right before a very long shift? Hiring their students who they can pay dirt cheap, have no experience negotiating plus pile extra duties onto and take rent money from putting them in a high stress situation? Fuck those workers, it's so mean to discuss working conditions and awful to sympathise with people.
Is it tearing down to mention paying for a memory maker package with roving photographers to take photos throughout the weekend only for a new, more expensive photo package to be announced and instead of hiring more photographers just reassigning all the photographers who would have been roaming to do that package resulting in paying for a service that no longer existed not even informing people who had paid or offering a refund?
Wait, maybe it's "tearing down" to mention using Disney's shipping service to send a bulky, expensive droid home only for it to never arrive despite the address being correct, being given the run around when trying to get updates, no refund offered and Disney only responding when someone with a lot of twitter posted about it. Fuck people who aren't influencers, amirite, it's so cruel to point out that normal people are shit out of luck if they want a refund.
Who cares about people to whom a few hundred dollars is a lot of money, they should shut up. The audacity of wanting the things you pay for.
It's nice to know that people liked the performances and work of Captain Keven, Ounni, Lt. Croy, etc but don't think their performances were good enough to deserve being paid more than an actor who just has to sing two songs. Like, they were so good but also they don't deserve any empathy or attention when they got pink slipped out of no where. Any consideration for how people who thought they had long stable contracts needing to scramble to reorganise their lives since unlike other roles at Disney they couldn't just be shifted into different roles in the park is just really mean to Disney.
If the thing being torn down is the complete contempt for non wealthy people, workers, and anyone who isn't an influencer then tear it down.
Why do you want to prop up the wall of silence and apathy? This isn't a fart, trying to make the person who talks about the stinky issues the problem is childish "they who smelt it dealt it" logic. The continued deliberate silence on how the people who worked at the star wars hotel were treated and framing even mentioning the many guests who had problems as petty is so heartless.
@@sinistar99exactly, the assumption is always that criticism is honest and praise is questionable but in fact, as demonstrated on the internet, hate and or criticism is way easier than praise.
@sinistar99 that kind of attitude is why they keep making trash. People like you rush to defend it.
@@sinistar99and one can ask how someone having a bad experience at a place and talking about it isn't an honest opinion. Why is it that when someone doesn't like something or talks about a negative experience you automatically assume it is false. You are no better than the people you are against. You are trying to invalidate someone for simply talking about a bad experience they had and trying to claim that since they are calling out the negative that they experienced than it isn't an honest opinion. S
As a Star Wars casual who did watch the full Jenny Nicholson video, that was a really bad take by JC. If you watched the video, you would see that literally none of JC's criticisms of it are valid. JC is doing his best Don Quixote and fighting windmills here. Really disappointed as I count him and Mark as some of the SW fans whose opinions I take seriously.
If you've watched that Movie Pass documentary and enjoyed it, I highly recommend going to Dan Murrell's channel and his video on it. It's more personal and cover aspects the documentary didn't touch.
So, not only does JC shit on a video he hasnt even watched, but he's defending something that we all know by now was a notorious failure for Disney.
Andorr is great. MARK KNOWS
@2:04:55 "You'll get out of it what you put in." JC, maybe you 'should' watch the video because that's a line that she directly addresses and has a rebuttal for....because her and a lot of other people put in ALOT, and genuinely tried to get a good experience out of it, and didn't get anything substantial or satisfying out of it. Kevin is right, Jenny is a huge fan. She doesn't go in to these things with the sole desire to criticize. I'm sure she would have preferred to do a 4 hour video of how great a time she had and how sad it was that they were closing it.
Did they really "she did it wrong" Jenny Nicholson?!?!
1 guy did and Kevin Smith politely tried to correct him.
Hearing the producers kid watching Spiderman in the background is so damn charming. How perfect of a reminder that we’re still nerds no matter what stage of life we’re in. Thanks for giving us something to relate to guys.
JC- Luke doesn’t remember a Sith because he doesn’t see her. He’s told that it’s Tusken Raiders. Pay better attention!
I meet Kevin In May at Liverpool in the uk and made my dream come through such a nice friendly guy and got a massive hug he made me feel so at ease as I was so nervous
Love the show! I kindly request the audio levels be matched. I'm on the volume control a lot.
This has always been my fav podcast!! 😊love you guys Marc, Kev and JC
Kevin love you stop overthinking stuff.
Just do this podcast and live shows at Scum and Villainy and stop worrying about doing live shows if the attendance is getting to you. You don’t owe anybody anything and this podcast is your safe haven.
Hes freaked out over the empty room for Borefest Babbleon last week. If they give JC a date the Cantina will always be full.
SOMEONE STOP KEV FROM READING THE GOD DAMN CHAT ALREADYYYYYYYYY 😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️ The entire air just goes out of the show!
No it doesn’t.
JC... Man. You do not know Jenny Nicholson. You have no idea how much she puts into theme parks, and Star Wars, Disney, etc. Her video is absolutely incredible and, I get that you went, but your attitude toward her and her work here is a poor reflection on you. Especially without seeing any of her work.
I agree with @TullyQuinn - Nicholson is the real deal. She’s definitely One of Us and nerds the fuck out about Disney, Star Wars and amusement parks. I’m not going to watch a 5-hour video about a thing that sounded stupid to me, but no one should doubt her bonafides.
wop wop wop wop wop
I'm in Washington State and my rent has gone up three times in the last year and a half. My T Mobile bill is supposed to be going up next month. Things are tough everywhere.
Exactly...like everywhere, everywhere, across every expense. It being "illusory" is ridiculous, as is stating gas prices/jobs, and every other completely ignorant of economics, but "cant wait to read every biased article from my curated news source" talking point brought up here...People are literally voicing stress about the cost of McDonalds to the point of fast food restaurants bringing back value meals lol. And even those are money grabs. Its pure greed, unregulated and enabled. I guess it just takes 2 years of things being okay, and then another 2 years of inexcusable fleecing, to get to the next 4 years of "it will get better, cause I say so", all while semi-denying there is an actual problem in the first place...Still voting for Kamala for the record. People so far on one side like Marc, just sound like the Disney playbook. Just reeks of dishonesty/being out of touch willfully/etc.
JC not understanding the Jenny Nicholson video is kind of a bummer but ultimately not surprising considering he didn't watch it. He didn't even get her name right lmao. I'm a religious tier Star Wars fan but I won't defend the Starcruiser and found Jenny's video to be entirely in good faith.
He did it and liked it, why would he watch a video of someone not liking it? I don’t watch all the pandering hate videos of SW content. I enjoy it, why do I need to watch people who don’t?
@@jpetersgoyanks Jenny is a massive Star Wars fan and it’s not a hate video lmao. I’m a diehard fan who enjoys literally every piece of SW media and I still watched and enjoyed the commentary. Framing her content as hate content is such a bad faith response to me saying he should watch a video before debating its merits. It’s like not watching a movie but still reviewing it.
who is this Dum-dum critiquing Jenny without having watched or even heard about what she said...?
So glad to see another show. I miss being able to enjoy it every week. Would LOVE a show focused on X-Men 97 once you all have seen it! It was so good!
Lmao! "It's like full of cool um......stuff" watching you guys protect yourselves is hilarious!
Thanks guys, you know it's trash
So glad to see Fatman beyond back
Kev, you gotta be more positive towards yourself.
You've been around 3 decades for a reason.You're the freaking man
I need a weekly fatman
The Irony of Eps 3 of the Acolyte, is we find out how shoddy the construction is on a stone fortress, where someone named OSHA lives there.
To be fair, I think they are leaving parts out of that, or kinda misrepresenting it. I haven't watched the show to be honest but just some the reviews I've seen I can already tell people are milking the bad aspects of it.
Like, if all the bodies weren't burned up, and the other girl got trained in the dark side of the force... it seems like the sith just lied to her and killed everybody. Assuming a sith shows up though to teach the bad girl.
Also the Jedi showing up and treating them well before Anakin is alright, this all happened in the past, so its likely explaining why they made the rules that the did to treat Anakin like such a punk.
Not that it really matter to me though, I ain't watching it till it all over and as a pirate. If its good enough I'll watch the whole thing, if not I'll stop. Meh either way.
Really happy when I see an updated show. Have a great week all!
My sister Victoria turned 32 today! Great day! Happy birthday Jay!
Luke never sees Reva's lightsaber - he doesn't know who is chasing him except Owen's 'someone bad might be coming here'.
Also it finally explains why Leia knows who Luke is talking about when he says "I'm with BEN Kenobi". And the whole thing about her response is a part of her character. She also doesn't really show any real reaction to her entire planet being blown up
@@joncarroll2040 Yeah because also in regards to why her holo-message to Obi Wan isn't more 'familiar', I just assume Leia couldn't be like "Hey old friend, you still a Jedi? Remember when you used The Force to save me once LOL" because what if the message fell into Imperial hands...
Ohhh bad take JC. Jenny Nicholson is who these types of theme parks are made for.
There are other posts here that better qualify Jenny Nicholson.. so I won’t… but dude, she’s as hardcore with Star Wars and theme parks as you are for Star Wars and Star Wars themed bar
Kev is absolutely right.
As a 42yo man, I love Oldman Beyond even more
RIP Comicstorian. loved his content
Is separation of nerd & sports STILL a thing?!? Comics & Star Trek since 74, D&D since 78, full-on nerd that's always watched one sport & played 3. How is it still different camps 50 years later?!?!?
In real life maybe not so much but in movie and TV land it still is to a large degree and they both live in that latter world.
Although I don't know the context of why you're asking, still at the early part of the video, so that may change.
The only channel where I don’t skip through the paid promotion.
Kev needs to start saying "I think it's dope no matter what anyone says."
I got so excited when Kevin mentioned Jenny's video, and I couldn't wait to hear him and Marc discuss it, but then JC cuts off the whole conversation based on his strong opinions rooted in having not seen it? Come on, dude.
Wait, why are we listening to JC again?😊
He’s like the worst kind of fan.
Why couldn't JC up the price of his Corona by $1 to make up for the $0.72 he pays extra? He says "I can't double the price of a Corona", but to make the profit margin you did before, you wouldn't have to? Just because your costs double, doesn't mean your prices have to to continue to make the same profit? Or am I missing something?
See you in Atlanta tomorrow!!!
Speaking of robotic sharks: There already is a movie called 'RoboShark', it came out in 2015. It's as daft as you imagine it to be. And one of the characters is a computer genius called Bill Glates. I had fun watching it, so maybe give it a shot.
Mark, Kevin. We are old now, we are not as hawt, we are no longer as sexy (both mentally and physically) are views are fossils. So make your media and if it is good we will be there.
love you!
What I used to do as a kid was play with my power of the force figures but whenever I'd have them travel or have a chase or something, I'd use the micro machines or the action fleet ships instead of the bigger ships because it gave me a bigger play area
It's impossible to redo Star Wars; you can redo Back to the Future without any issues, but Star Wars at this point is untouchable. Unless you create an alternate universe version of Star Wars, that would be a solution. Right now Star Wars is a Cinematic Universe. It wouldn't make sense to redo it, just as it wouldn't make sense to redo The Avengers. There are so many TV shows, books, and comic book stories attached to The Skywalker Story that at this point in time you can't really touch that lore anymore.
Just Watch Jim Cumming’s TH-cam podcast and it really hit home…
Two plus(?!) generations of voice actors are in their “prime”. Megaton, Optimus Prime, Jim, Charles Martinet (Mario), Bill Farmer, Rob Paulsen… and so on. I don’t know which of SMOD sees this and then think tanks it all for future shows, but I throw really thinking about Kevin and Mark having some fun talks with them before and preserving more of their life and careers before these magical people go.
Love ya all. Thank you for SOO many years listening to this amazing show❤
But do they steal kids, they asked if they could test them with their permission and the one kid asked the mother if she could leave to be a Jedi.....I have been hearing a lot of people say this and at no point did they say they were going to just take the child.
I agree, they don't steal the child but I get the impression they might keep pestering the parents/guardians until they relent. Although, once they have them all contact is cut which puts it very much into cult territory.
@@Elwaves2925 I would agree with that
Jedi is 7M!?! (Iykyk)
Yeah Qui Gon wasn’t leaving that planet without Annie… didn’t even try for the mom.
@@elleryvandooyeweert9655 He also avoided telling Ani that Shmi was never going to go with them. He waited until the deal for one was struck to make it look like it was Watto's fault.
Hey JC
Could you look into having TH-cam letting us play the videos in the background of our iOS devices…
I can manage when listening to Adam Savages’ q&a videos.
But never elsewhere
Maybe it’s a setting
Love Kevin Smith films, why I made my own feature film Northwood Pie, thank you Kevin so much for inspiring me.
In case you're wondering, the solution to the Connection at 2:27:02 has Dogma in the category 'names that start with an animal'. Lol. Other categories are names that rhyme, places in NY, and titles that end with a unit of measurement. Btw, Hedwig and the angry inch is a wonderful little movie, you should give it a try. I may be a cis male but I remember I loved its story. 😊
I'm convinced that animation is the way to reinterpret. Look at the recent Babylon 5: The Way Home animated movie. Do something somewhat similar to that for the original Star Wars trilogy. Teach the audience to accept the idea of recast/reboot/reinterpretation with a high quality story. Another 2 years later. Then move it to live action. Possibly with the same actors.
Marc always drops science, love him
Hey guys, there were multiple Big Trouble in Little China comics series, and 2 Novels (Big Trouble in Mother Russia, Big Trouble in Merrie Olde England)
Gotta say JC has the worst takes ever in Star Wars. They suck. Huge time
tremors is the jaws of the desert.....
If Kevin had any balls left he would go on Legion Of Skanks
Jc needs to actually sute and watch the video for himself. Thank goodness for Kev.
Missed you guys, good work fellas👍🏿
I wish volume was higher so i can listen on my phone
I just watched Splinter.
I gotta hand it to Marc. He made a good short.
The story was interesting.
I do have some questions about how the kids "power" works.
Does he Have to be a certain distance from the ground or is it Standing on Earth activates it?
"Preservation of one’s own culture does not require contempt or disrespect for other cultures.” - Ceasar Chavez
Eric Kripke has learned from his time on Supernatural and will end it after five seasons instead of letting it linger on for fifteen seasons.
I like Marcs idea and mention of Matthew Vaughn Star Wars reboot with Dark Empire and dark thriller approach.
They can start a separate universe with this story to appeal to a broader audience ✨
Welcome back Kev. I've been on the fence about watching the Acolyte, all the negative reviews have put me off. Still might check out the first episode at least. I did watch The Boys though. That was awesome.
About trailers not being first shown before new films and only on TH-cam, the Nosferatu trailer is going to be first shown before The Bikeriders. Do you think that this is good? I’m excited about it and I don’t know if it’s because I’m feeling nostalgic or I’m just excited to see something be theater exclusive.
Another great show Kevin and Mark
The Ashley Madison doc on Netflix was pretty interesting too.
Starts at 2:33.
Thank you
Kevin smith is the biggest loser in hollywood after he-man ruined his career
Dan the man!
@@itariwasashi1645heman didnt ruin his career... if anything did it'd have been cop out. But then he went and made red state.
@@itariwasashi1645literally nobody cares
Netflix also owns the Paris theatre in NYC too.
Finally Kevin is back 🙌
"They're going to be passing edicts and setting up laws and rules that seem to fit them and nobody else." That literally never fuckin happened in any of the prequels. The Jedi never made laws or told anyone what to do short of their own members. They Jedi were peace keepers and investigate crimes and shit.
The idea of jedis were quite literally inspired by jesuits, with the influence of Douglas Gabrial (friend of marsha lucas)
This is the most star trek talk i have ever heard from any star wars review lol
The huge issue I have with episode 3 of The Acolyte is that it treats the audience like the child. We only see what she experiences so we learned nothing new during the whole episode. It's consistent with the character not knowing more years later but it was a super frustrating watch.
Damn JC was really butt hurt over that video he hasn’t watched. 😂
I'd love for a similar podcast but where they talk just about new movies that aren't franchises/IP or comic based.
1:51:02 he means Movie Pass and it is a really good doc.
Drove 7 hours to go to Chasing Amy showing for a Smod-cation. This opening has me worried Im out just burning money
LoL you kinda did it to yourself what did you expect lol
Where can we see Mark’s short?
So are you guys not updating Spotify anymore?
I think Waterworld deserves a second chance, although not necessarily a sequel or a hard reboot. The polar ice caps/glaciers melting and leading to ocean levels rising dramatically + massive floods, showing more of how the post-apocalyptic Waterworld begins in a prequel-ish film set earlier in the timeline could help "ground" the Waterworld property. You could possibly set some of it on dryland and explain certain things that way, or maybe include a younger version of The Mariner/Kevin Costner's character to connect it directly to the original... The premise of Waterworld is somewhat more relevant today than it was back then. It was a huge flop at the box office, so it's probably unlikely anyone would wanna risk doing another Waterworld, but there might be ways to do it on a somewhat smaller budget
May not be comics or whatever, but this is probably the most relatable episode so far lmao. Inflation is a bitch!
I can speak personally, inflation is fucking kicking my teeth in haha
Wow, Ryan Coogler pulled a Mile Morales on Marvel. "Nah, I'm gonna do my own thing."
Jaws of Gowanus canal in Brooklyn. ;)