Honestly, this is the first time I've seen Uki-otoshi applied from a standing position, and I'm only now realizing how practical it is, and how much technical appreciation goes into its execution, particularly as regards Kuzushi. Several of my students have actually used this waza--unknowingly--in randori, and with considerable success. It starts out as an attempted entry to Ogoshi for example, but because their opponent stiff arms them, they end up pivoting back and throwing with their hands.I'm so thankful you made this video!!!
You're right-the standing application is not often done and people do it kind of naturally from time to time in randori a tournament. Glad you like it Jun!
I was wondering if you could share another video on this, perhaps with some slow-motion and a more detailed description of the movements of the hands? Just a thought.
This video is excellent overall. I like how you described the execution of Uki Otoshi in that it's Tai Otoshi without the leg. About the technique being a training wheel for kuzushi, it makes me think Uki Otoshi should be taught at lower belt levels. Then again, if you look at the Judo Gokyo, it's quite higher up on belt levels. So Uki Otoshi could either be white belt level or higher level considering the purpose you described it. The reason I requested this technique is to see its modern variations compared to all the videos I've watched so far which they always teach the traditional version and not caring to explore deeper than that or not wanting to present their ideas in public the way you do so. Thank you to Derrick, Mike and you sensei for working hard to produce this video. Hopefully this technique will ease the curiosity of others similar to mine.
Just a huge respect for mentioning to practice Uki-Otoshi not for the Nage-No-Kata only.The Techniques in Nage-No-Kata are placed in an order to show fundemental principles and "scenarios" .For instance, in the Koshi-Waza the series is Uki-Goshi,Harai-Goshi and Tsuri-Komi-Goshi.Uki-Goshi is a hip throw where the opponent floats on the hip,indicating what happens when timing is perfect.Harai-Goshi follows up as a scenario when Uke steps to Tori's left and Tsuri-Komi-Goshi is the last answer where Uke moves to Tori's right. For those who want to see a "competitive version" of Uki-Otoshi check out Mongolia's Dashdavaa and Davaadorj.
I was working on the te-waza set from Nage No Kata tonight, and I was wondering about ways to possibly work on Uki Otoshi as a technique for randori and I remembered this video was up. I might give this a try next time I'm working in nagekomi. I'm sure there are some competitive judoka who use this throw in shiai (although none currently spring to mind, haha).
If you observe a lot of matches, it is amazing to see how often Uki Otoshi (in the standing application) is done as well as Sumi Otoshi. In many cases, it's done by either novices or juniors who pretty much fling an opponent onto the mat, but upon close observation, they are accidentally or inadvertently doing (in as many cases as not) some kind of variation of either Uki Otoshi or Sumi Otoshi. Thanks for your comment as it brings up a good point.
With all due respect, sensei, I think that the drop in the kneeling version is an important part of the kuzushi. It marries the use of the hands with gravity. I was startled to find video of more than one koryu jujutsu that performs uke otoshi exactly as found in the nage no kata. So I think there was a good reason why the throw was performed with a dropping movement. I have used uke otoshi in no gi and in gi randori and it works really well, especially if the guy is pushing you or bending over. I usually grip with a collar tie. Manipulation of the head really helps bring him down and forward. If I don't want to drop to a knee, I squat deeply. That has worked pretty well. Love your videos. Keep them coming. We use them in our training a lot.
Great comment. As has often been said, we have to make the technique work for each of us. Uki Otoshi is a good example of a technique that has more than one application and variations adaptable to the goals or needs of the person performing it. Both the kneeling and standing applications of Uki Otoshi are taught in Kodokan Judo and this gives us the opportunity to adapt the movement to the athlete performing it and to the context of the situation. Too often, people dismiss a throw like Uki Otoshi as "old fashioned" and miss out on the real usefulness of the throw. Your experience with this throw disproves this. From what you wrote, you have successfully used this throw in randori and proven its effectiveness. Again, thanks for the thoughtful comment.
I like the standing version better too: as a tall judoka I can just use my stature as Kuzushi, whereas in dropping on my knee I need to lose a lot of time and can’t connect with renraku waza. Also, being tall often doesn’t make you short enough even when you get on your knee, so If I have to drop down, I prefer to commit to a sacrifice throw instead. I like your videos a lot! ❤
Sensei Steve Scott, would you consider this throw as well as Sumi Otoshi (which you feature in another video) to be viable techniques to use in self-defense situations?
It was a give and take practice session, so there will be some compliance. You are not incorrect, at about the 1:00 mark or so I mention that the Uki Otoshi application going on a knee is used in the Nage No Kata as a point of reference. Both variations of Uke Otoshi are practiced. Thanks for your comment!
This video is excellent overall. I like how you described the execution of Uki Otoshi in that it's Tai Otoshi without the leg. About the technique being a training wheel for kuzushi, it makes me think Uki Otoshi should be taught at lower belt levels. Then again, if you look at the Judo Gokyo, it's quite higher up on belt levels. So Uki Otoshi could either be white belt level or higher level considering the purpose you described it. The reason I requested this technique is to see its modern variations compared to all the videos I've watched so far which they always teach the traditional version and not caring to explore deeper than that or not wanting to present their ideas in public the way you do so. Thank you to Derrick, Mike and you sensei for working hard to produce this video. Hopefully this technique will ease the curiosity of others similar to mine.
Glad you liked it and found it useful! As you rightly pointed out, this throw teaches a lot about Kuzushi. From my perspective, too many people simply associate it as a throw they "have to learn" to do Nage No Kata and as a result, really never accept it as a viable throwing technique or attempt to make it functional. Thanks for requesting it and for your comments.
You're welcome sensei. If there's one thing I forgot or that it came to my mind just now, is that I didn't get to request Sumi Otoshi to you. I know you're planning on the Yoko Otoshi video sometime later, I want to mention that technique before I forget. I may have another request/question after those but I'll let you concentrate on what you're doing for now unless you want to know. Again thanks for the video and your time sensei.
It's viable for sure, I used it at 2016 USA Judo Sr. Nationals in the match before my bronze. Scored wazari but in slow motion video it looks ippon to me ;)
Honestly, this is the first time I've seen Uki-otoshi applied from a standing position, and I'm only now realizing how practical it is, and how much technical appreciation goes into its execution, particularly as regards Kuzushi. Several of my students have actually used this waza--unknowingly--in randori, and with considerable success. It starts out as an attempted entry to Ogoshi for example, but because their opponent stiff arms them, they end up pivoting back and throwing with their hands.I'm so thankful you made this video!!!
You're right-the standing application is not often done and people do it kind of naturally from time to time in randori a tournament. Glad you like it Jun!
I was wondering if you could share another video on this, perhaps with some slow-motion and a more detailed description of the movements of the hands? Just a thought.
That's a good idea. I don't have anything in stock right now on Uki Otoshi other than what you have seen. This is a project that we will tackle.
Thank you, sir!
This video is excellent overall. I like how you described the execution of Uki Otoshi in that it's Tai Otoshi without the leg. About the technique being a training wheel for kuzushi, it makes me think Uki Otoshi should be taught at lower belt levels. Then again, if you look at the Judo Gokyo, it's quite higher up on belt levels. So Uki Otoshi could either be white belt level or higher level considering the purpose you described it. The reason I requested this technique is to see its modern variations compared to all the videos I've watched so far which they always teach the traditional version and not caring to explore deeper than that or not wanting to present their ideas in public the way you do so. Thank you to Derrick, Mike and you sensei for working hard to produce this video. Hopefully this technique will ease the curiosity of others similar to mine.
Just a huge respect for mentioning to practice Uki-Otoshi not for the Nage-No-Kata only.The Techniques in Nage-No-Kata are placed in an order to show fundemental principles and "scenarios"
.For instance, in the Koshi-Waza the series is Uki-Goshi,Harai-Goshi and Tsuri-Komi-Goshi.Uki-Goshi is a hip throw where the opponent floats on the hip,indicating what happens when timing is perfect.Harai-Goshi follows up as a scenario when Uke steps to Tori's left and Tsuri-Komi-Goshi is the last answer where Uke moves to Tori's right.
For those who want to see a "competitive version" of Uki-Otoshi check out Mongolia's Dashdavaa and Davaadorj.
Thank you for your excellent comment! I will check out the videos you recommend.
I was working on the te-waza set from Nage No Kata tonight, and I was wondering about ways to possibly work on Uki Otoshi as a technique for randori and I remembered this video was up. I might give this a try next time I'm working in nagekomi. I'm sure there are some competitive judoka who use this throw in shiai (although none currently spring to mind, haha).
If you observe a lot of matches, it is amazing to see how often Uki Otoshi (in the standing application) is done as well as Sumi Otoshi. In many cases, it's done by either novices or juniors who pretty much fling an opponent onto the mat, but upon close observation, they are accidentally or inadvertently doing (in as many cases as not) some kind of variation of either Uki Otoshi or Sumi Otoshi. Thanks for your comment as it brings up a good point.
With all due respect, sensei, I think that the drop in the kneeling version is an important part of the kuzushi. It marries the use of the hands with gravity. I was startled to find video of more than one koryu jujutsu that performs uke otoshi exactly as found in the nage no kata. So I think there was a good reason why the throw was performed with a dropping movement. I have used uke otoshi in no gi and in gi randori and it works really well, especially if the guy is pushing you or bending over. I usually grip with a collar tie. Manipulation of the head really helps bring him down and forward. If I don't want to drop to a knee, I squat deeply. That has worked pretty well. Love your videos. Keep them coming. We use them in our training a lot.
Great comment. As has often been said, we have to make the technique work for each of us. Uki Otoshi is a good example of a technique that has more than one application and variations adaptable to the goals or needs of the person performing it. Both the kneeling and standing applications of Uki Otoshi are taught in Kodokan Judo and this gives us the opportunity to adapt the movement to the athlete performing it and to the context of the situation. Too often, people dismiss a throw like Uki Otoshi as "old fashioned" and miss out on the real usefulness of the throw. Your experience with this throw disproves this. From what you wrote, you have successfully used this throw in randori and proven its effectiveness. Again, thanks for the thoughtful comment.
I like the standing version better too: as a tall judoka I can just use my stature as Kuzushi, whereas in dropping on my knee I need to lose a lot of time and can’t connect with renraku waza. Also, being tall often doesn’t make you short enough even when you get on your knee, so If I have to drop down, I prefer to commit to a sacrifice throw instead. I like your videos a lot! ❤
thanks for showing this
Glad you like it!
Sensei Steve Scott, would you consider this throw as well as Sumi Otoshi (which you feature in another video) to be viable techniques to use in self-defense situations?
Looks as though the "Uke" is a bit too compliant. Perhaps I'm remembering it incorrectly but I seem to remember dropping to a knee on a side step?
It was a give and take practice session, so there will be some compliance. You are not incorrect, at about the 1:00 mark or so I mention that the Uki Otoshi application going on a knee is used in the Nage No Kata as a point of reference. Both variations of Uke Otoshi are practiced. Thanks for your comment!
1. uke participates in demo:
"Uke too compliant"
2. if uke resists:
"that technique is all strength"
This video is excellent overall. I like how you described the execution of Uki Otoshi in that it's Tai Otoshi without the leg. About the technique being a training wheel for kuzushi, it makes me think Uki Otoshi should be taught at lower belt levels. Then again, if you look at the Judo Gokyo, it's quite higher up on belt levels. So Uki Otoshi could either be white belt level or higher level considering the purpose you described it. The reason I requested this technique is to see its modern variations compared to all the videos I've watched so far which they always teach the traditional version and not caring to explore deeper than that or not wanting to present their ideas in public the way you do so. Thank you to Derrick, Mike and you sensei for working hard to produce this video. Hopefully this technique will ease the curiosity of others similar to mine.
Glad you liked it and found it useful! As you rightly pointed out, this throw teaches a lot about Kuzushi. From my perspective, too many people simply associate it as a throw they "have to learn" to do Nage No Kata and as a result, really never accept it as a viable throwing technique or attempt to make it functional. Thanks for requesting it and for your comments.
You're welcome sensei. If there's one thing I forgot or that it came to my mind just now, is that I didn't get to request Sumi Otoshi to you. I know you're planning on the Yoko Otoshi video sometime later, I want to mention that technique before I forget. I may have another request/question after those but I'll let you concentrate on what you're doing for now unless you want to know. Again thanks for the video and your time sensei.
It's viable for sure, I used it at 2016 USA Judo Sr. Nationals in the match before my bronze. Scored wazari but in slow motion video it looks ippon to me ;)