The new 9500 has a 218.1 gear ratio where the 1200 is 265.1, but they have similar line speeds. I think the 1200 is the better buy for $40 difference. This is a useful video.
I noticed the Jeep engine was running when using that winch. Was the trailer battery being charged by the tow vehicle when using the HF winch out of curiosity?
Jeep has a single battery so ran it just to be sure it didn't drain down. The trailer has two full size batteries on board plus is connected to the truck battery thru the trailer wiring. The truck was not running but with technically three batteries connected it actually had more amp's available than the Jeep winch did.
@@hotrodyj You should check the triple battery voltage with the tow vehicle running vs not running. I would bet the running voltage to be ~14.5 vs the not running voltage being ~12.8. Ohms law would mean more voltage equals more amps with the same resistance. I agree with Justin K that the testing method was flawed if only slightly.
@@hotrodyjno you should have had it running. You really wanna burn your shit to the ground also don’t you? Btw your trucks alternator probably cannot handle that shit…
when you were using the smitty on the jeep the motor was running (system voltage is greater than 12 volts). when you used the badlands it was running using a battery which would be 12 volts or less.). not apples to apples
Thanks for the great video. I like smitty but don't like how much force it takes to free-spool it. Looked like you were pulling the jeep just trying to get the cable pulled out.
I run two normal car batteries on the trailer mounted directly below the winch. Easily 1000 amps between two batteries. I've used the winch several times since posting the video and it works great!! WAY better than my old Humvee winch did.
Nicely Done!. Looking to get a winch for my Silverado. Was thinking about this HF Badland 12000 but you made such excellent points that I think I'll check out some others as well to see what 100 or so bucks on a competitors model get me. Nicely Done, Very Nicely Don!
I will say I have had warn since the 80s and they've been great. but on my offload ring I have very tight tolerances within the winch area and I went with a HF winch just to see how it would perform and switched to synthetic cable. Its been a great winch and I haven't had any issues and it's going on it's 3rd year being on the truck and performs about as good as my warn vr evo 8000 that came with my trailer. I will say it's not as nice as my warn XD-9000i. I loved the cable capacity of that winch and it had so much room to wrap on itself when offraoding and not getting a perfect pull
@mp-xt2rg Do you honestly think there is only a 5 pound difference? You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. There is a 20-50 pound difference between synthetic and steel cable. Synthetic absolutely makes the winch faster. Not up for debate, long proven.
It’s not though. One is in a running vehicle and the other is on a trailer with no alternator charging the battery as it works…. Who tf knows what his battery levels were. This is just a shitty review
Marine grade batteries are better for capacity. They can be depleated further without damaging them. Other than that, regular batteries have better CCA abilities. Marine batteries are rated in MCA, not CCA, which is basically the same but marine grade are rated at 32 degrees CCA, while car batteries are rated at 0 degrees CCA. So marine grade batteries are not better for CCA, but is better for capacity.
Mine is not worth the f***after one year just like all the other China freight s***... Take to f****** hours to get my truck halfway on the trailer then wouldn't pull it rest in the f****** way up
I have 4 of these winches. They have been overused and I have never had any problems.
Yeah but powering with jeep running what was powering the one one trailer ??? Mite be differents in amps ??
Exactly the issue here. One has a steady supply of current the other doesn’t. Bad review
nice welder. the northern tool stuff is nice
The new 9500 has a 218.1 gear ratio where the 1200 is 265.1, but they have similar line speeds. I think the 1200 is the better buy for $40 difference. This is a useful video.
I noticed the Jeep engine was running when using that winch. Was the trailer battery being charged by the tow vehicle when using the HF winch out of curiosity?
Jeep has a single battery so ran it just to be sure it didn't drain down. The trailer has two full size batteries on board plus is connected to the truck battery thru the trailer wiring. The truck was not running but with technically three batteries connected it actually had more amp's available than the Jeep winch did.
@@hotrodyj You should check the triple battery voltage with the tow vehicle running vs not running. I would bet the running voltage to be ~14.5 vs the not running voltage being ~12.8. Ohms law would mean more voltage equals more amps with the same resistance. I agree with Justin K that the testing method was flawed if only slightly.
I agree trailer winch handicapped with lower voltage
@@hotrodyjno you should have had it running. You really wanna burn your shit to the ground also don’t you? Btw your trucks alternator probably cannot handle that shit…
when you were using the smitty on the jeep the motor was running (system voltage is greater than 12 volts). when you used the badlands it was running using a battery which would be 12 volts or less.). not apples to apples
This is my thought as well.
Thanks for the great video. I like smitty but don't like how much force it takes to free-spool it. Looked like you were pulling the jeep just trying to get the cable pulled out.
We use 1000 cold cranking amp battery and the winch runs great and the battery is a foot away from the winch
I run two normal car batteries on the trailer mounted directly below the winch. Easily 1000 amps between two batteries. I've used the winch several times since posting the video and it works great!! WAY better than my old Humvee winch did.
Nicely Done!. Looking to get a winch for my Silverado. Was thinking about this HF Badland 12000 but you made such excellent points that I think I'll check out some others as well to see what 100 or so bucks on a competitors model get me. Nicely Done, Very Nicely Don!
The jeep running made it seem like the jeep winch was more efficient.
I will say I have had warn since the 80s and they've been great. but on my offload ring I have very tight tolerances within the winch area and I went with a HF winch just to see how it would perform and switched to synthetic cable. Its been a great winch and I haven't had any issues and it's going on it's 3rd year being on the truck and performs about as good as my warn vr evo 8000 that came with my trailer. I will say it's not as nice as my warn XD-9000i. I loved the cable capacity of that winch and it had so much room to wrap on itself when offraoding and not getting a perfect pull
Can the clutch side be clocked?
Looked like you have the smitty with a synthetic line Harbor Freight had a steel cable line. The line weight makes a difference on motor speed
Both are steel cable
Synthetic lines do not pull faster. Do you honestly think 4 or 5 lbs makes any difference when pulling a 4000lb load?
@mp-xt2rg Do you honestly think there is only a 5 pound difference? You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. There is a 20-50 pound difference between synthetic and steel cable. Synthetic absolutely makes the winch faster. Not up for debate, long proven.
Harbor freight has a history of being optimistic with specifications. I'm not surprised a 9500lb winch is outperforming HFs 12000.
It’s not though. One is in a running vehicle and the other is on a trailer with no alternator charging the battery as it works…. Who tf knows what his battery levels were. This is just a shitty review
The problem is you need a Lotta cold cranking amp battery Thousand cold cranking amp marine batteries works best
Marine grade batteries are better for capacity. They can be depleated further without damaging them. Other than that, regular batteries have better CCA abilities. Marine batteries are rated in MCA, not CCA, which is basically the same but marine grade are rated at 32 degrees CCA, while car batteries are rated at 0 degrees CCA.
So marine grade batteries are not better for CCA, but is better for capacity.
Mine is not worth the f***after one year just like all the other China freight s***... Take to f****** hours to get my truck halfway on the trailer then wouldn't pull it rest in the f****** way up