Healing and Hope in Crisis: Our Response to the McNamara Report

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  • @lovingalways5799
    @lovingalways5799 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    To anyone asking why Mike was fired over something he did 20+ years ago
    It's more his unwillingness to confess everything and repent, even when they came to him in private, he would not confess and repent and how he manipulated millions with his black horse teaching saying he was gonna be persecuted when it was just him hiding his sins instead of brining everything into the light and avoiding all this mess with lawyers and investigations and things

    • @AlexNesh
      @AlexNesh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Golden words

    • @elizabethgould994
      @elizabethgould994 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, and to prevent this pattern of his from repeating

    • @Hal-k8p
      @Hal-k8p 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      wasn't just 20 years ago. this continued up very close to the present time.

    • @lovingalways5799
      @lovingalways5799 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @user-zq5jd7ee9n would you please share the evidence for that please?

    • @benjaminjohnson6118
      @benjaminjohnson6118 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bickle sexually assaulted a pair of teenage girls and you all sweep it under the rug.

  • @annakirtley8171
    @annakirtley8171 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Maybe a more accurate thing to say would be the goal and desire is to make IHOPKC a safe place rather than it IS a safe place. That’s where repentance comes in. It has not been a safe place.

    • @docbarm3338
      @docbarm3338 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🎯🎯🎯

    • @rumaabba8875
      @rumaabba8875 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love ihopkc , i love ihop. Many allready receive salvation frm by existance of their ministries. Mike didnt have any to do with ur false concern. Bcz The Lord Jesus Christ is the cornerstone inside Ihop. Its so clear religineous personal never receive the Joy of the Lord and Presence of God..

  • @Vlabar
    @Vlabar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Judgement is starting in the house of the Lord

  • @maryb8774
    @maryb8774 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    As a former sex assault inv and P.I, including trained in workplace investigations, I’ve never seen a more biased, congealed, in-investigated report. It basically addresses the firestorm on and from Twitter. As an inv. I could have cared less about social media and feeling the need to address it. Mike already admitted, so that’s not the issue. It’s the real lack of specification of allegations via statements. Maybe the JDs did not want to talk, but other wits may have. Anyway, just reviewing this from an inv point of view.

    • @kainoaalapai2247
      @kainoaalapai2247 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Your analysis makes sense! They hired a defense attorney, not an actual investigator. And this defense attorney was not actually agreed upon by the advocate group. On top of all that, they have had like four months to prepare for this and hide and get rid of any evidence they dont want to come up.

    • @Innuendos06
      @Innuendos06 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What a sad and hopeless bunch of words that never want to face reality....

    • @rumaabba8875
      @rumaabba8875 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Beyond 20 years ago... what the heck... , why now?? These attacks didnt know that no weapon formed against IHOP shall prosp3r.

    • @valor101arise
      @valor101arise 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@rumaabba8875 it's not just one incident 20 yrs ago. Then I would agree with you. But these issues are on going and recent. One of the reasons Jane Doe came forth was because she saw others being used and abused

    • @floral35
      @floral35 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      check out the
      day star dilemma

  • @bobharms8787
    @bobharms8787 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    I advocate Prayer. I pray. I love .I forgive. I do not condemn. I hope, trust that when I die sooner rather later I will find the love and perfect peace Jesus promised, for I know the Truth, pure light where there is no variableness
    nor shadow of turning, and my hope is to finish my course loving trusting he is faithful who calls you. Confess your faults one to another that you may be healed.forgive one another, love not this world because pride is deceitful

    • @benjaminjohnson6118
      @benjaminjohnson6118 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You sold your witness for power. You are being punished for supporting predators.

    • @GinaMaeKim
      @GinaMaeKim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should be advocating for the abused.

  • @KaareneRNHealthLifeCoach
    @KaareneRNHealthLifeCoach 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I continue to pray for complete healing and restoration for all… I know that is Gods heart… God is for his children even when we are lost he is fighting for the very best outcome for all involved. I truly think they are trying to do their very best… I know there are a lot of outsiders pointing fingers and condemning… I call it the peanut gallery….. it is so hard for outsiders to know all that is going on and for what reasons and it’s easy to point and judge. I just think everyone who calls themselves a lover of Jesus should be cautious not to judge and keep a posture of prayer for this body of Christ.

    • @annalkleinsasser
      @annalkleinsasser 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks you said it so well!
      We must keep interceding and lifting IHOP up in our prayers and ask God to lead and guide all involved and to bring healing for His glory!

  • @SylvainRobert-vh9jw
    @SylvainRobert-vh9jw 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A house built on lies cannot stand... Is it not written that the judgment will start in the house of god?

  • @whengalboroto
    @whengalboroto 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    New crisis came about Misty Edwards. This is sad to be honest like a lot of real issues behind the curtain are now surfacing but this is to no surprise because this is the Lord cleaning his house. Praying for healing and godly repentance in IHOP and godly reformation to happen.

  • @julesdeleon
    @julesdeleon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Gaslighting at its finest.

    • @Innuendos06
      @Innuendos06 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      100%

    • @geoffreymilke5176
      @geoffreymilke5176 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Democrats could not have done a more thorough gaslighting job

    • @lionjudah8900
      @lionjudah8900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well said.

    • @joshcondon5767
      @joshcondon5767 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely 100%

  • @izio4408
    @izio4408 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Can we just get this over with please...

  • @Mike-do8bc
    @Mike-do8bc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    What about the sexual behavior on some of the worship teams? How is that going to be addressed?

    • @acorz3314
      @acorz3314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      As a former singer there, it is very much a thing.

    • @Mike-do8bc
      @Mike-do8bc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      MB and ELT aren't the only guilty ones here. What did Misty do about this culture in the worship/prayer community at IHOPKC? Other leaders?

    • @re8837
      @re8837 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Mike-do8bc I'm not sure exactly how involved Misty is involved last few years, but ever since her year long sabbatical in Israel she is almost never on stage.

    • @carpediem4612
      @carpediem4612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But I thought ihop worship was consecrated,with holiest of vessels, pouring out their undevoted love n attention and money for His undivided attention, this Onething🤌😏
      True worship and true FEaR of the Lord, would have u trembling n shaking to be in his presence..or preaching with known sexual sin. ..woa is me, I am unclean,
      Yet ,so flippantly singing to Him whilst living unholy ..WOW that’s a whole level of depravity..as kids we would fear walking into church cuz the old saints could sniff our sins out..or taking communion … today they lead church with smirk on face..truly there is no reverence nor fear of the Lord who could strike em dead…
      so spill the beans please..the world who watched n bought these songs n worshipped along with sexualized lover Jesus songs, lead by unholy vessels 👌“being led” into an an unholy presence
      What does light have in common with darkness..burn ihop books n music kids..almighty God is watching what u will do with info coming out.. @@acorz3314

    • @AlexNesh
      @AlexNesh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@acorz3314omg sorry to hear that 😢

  • @nickypendleton4066
    @nickypendleton4066 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I pray that progress will be made..All of the victims must be heard. changes must be made including a theological review of IHOPKC prohetic movement practices..

    • @docbarm3338
      @docbarm3338 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      The ministry itself must be investigated. Mike WAS IHOPKC and involved in nearly every aspect. Financials especially must become transparent since they left the EFCA since 2016!

  • @brianjohnson52
    @brianjohnson52 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After first being at IHOPKC since 2000, living in the community for 2 years and then leading a HOP four 4 years....
    This representation of justice and prayer is embarrassing to the body of Christ !
    Lovers of Jesus and not being lovers of justice??
    They ARE one and the same!
    Lovers of covering up sin yet believing 24/7 is the only way to bring about justice and in the mean while put our heads in the sand?
    As for me and my house....

  • @jimgiacomelli7495
    @jimgiacomelli7495 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    So MB was fired for conduct 0ver 20 years ago?

    • @elainepetras236
      @elainepetras236 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      RIGHT!!!! and that he AND THE WOMEN repented of!!! What a complete woke joke!!! God protect any of us who has ever made a mistake or two in our past!!!

    • @ucarouen
      @ucarouen 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Everyone I write in response keeps being deleted instantly by TH-cam.

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@elainepetras236 I have zero problems with the shepherd having a side chick or two. Those bridegroom teachings sure tickled me ears nice🤢🤮

    • @carpediem4612
      @carpediem4612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ditto.they are scrubbing this too!🤌@@ucarouen

    • @lovingalways5799
      @lovingalways5799 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's more his unwillingness to confess everything and repent, even when they came to him in public he would not confess and repent and how he manipulated millions with his black horse teaching saying he was gonna be persecuted when it was just him hiding his sins instead of brining everything into the light and avoiding all this mess with lawyers and investigations and things

  • @dzizitv3228
    @dzizitv3228 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The minister of truth sounds more and more convincing lika an AI. IHOPkc trying their hardest to protect the cash cow by distancing themselves from Mike.

  • @rorygriffin8905
    @rorygriffin8905 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is disingenuous. It puts all the blame on others why other Jane Does are not interviewed. It ignored that Michael Brown called for that panel. This is extremely calculated speech. It loses its trust in very short order

  • @GospelTruthMedia
    @GospelTruthMedia 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This awful, these guys just don't get it. Constant deflection, dancing around the issues, and at all costs determined: the show (IHOP) must go on! God will deal with them though...

    • @Dana-hd8he
      @Dana-hd8he 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      GospelTruth: DEFUNCT THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT! NO FRUIT

  • @sustainingpurpose4922
    @sustainingpurpose4922 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    All that needs to happen is Bickle, Greaves and the team tell the truth. They know exactly what happened.

    • @GinaMaeKim
      @GinaMaeKim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      wont happen. The report is a joke. NO THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE YET! On top of ALL OF THIS they waited over 3 months to do this stupid report done by their defense attorney! That is THREE MONTHS+ of shredding papers, hiding emails, deleting emails, etc.... Just think about it. THERE IS A MOT MORE GOING ON AND THAT HAS GONE ON!

  • @joycecollins7148
    @joycecollins7148 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What a shame he has admitted,Forgiveness is not a choice it must take place .I to was a victim but thank God for the blood of Jesus both sides need Jesus his heart of forgivness

    • @rumaabba8875
      @rumaabba8875 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Beyond 20 years ago... what kind victim u are?
      Mike got repenctance earlier than u are.. , these outsider attacking ihop bcz they are antichrist influence
      and u are need forgiveness by the power of God Almighty.

  • @jeffniebergall2148
    @jeffniebergall2148 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Not able to conduct an in person interview with MB???
    Was he busy? Fig leaf alert

  • @crystalasia2649
    @crystalasia2649 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Also GET RID of this HORRIBLE PR-guy. We all know hes just a PR guy and he is making you guys look SO BAD!

  • @ResurrectionLifeMin
    @ResurrectionLifeMin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." - 2 Thessalonians 2:11. This is that which we are witnessing today with the continued IHOP-KC COVERUP.

  • @markstryzewski3028
    @markstryzewski3028 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Powerful , encouraging ... a commission of agreed upon leaders that both sides will agree to makes sense. Let's get "all the cards on the table" and work for restoration in the body of Christ.

    • @kainoaalapai2247
      @kainoaalapai2247 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You do realize you are being hoodwinked. Open your eyes!

    • @Guyfrommars183
      @Guyfrommars183 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There will be no healing without actual humility, actual transparency & actual transparency. :(

  • @valor101arise
    @valor101arise 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ???? You are still not addressing this in light of the fact that people were preyed upon by a person. That doesnt look like humbling oneself, repenting, and forgiving to bring resolve. This is a different matter where protection is vital to justice and truth. Im so grieved by ELT and ihopkcs response and dealing with this!!!!

  • @nathancomo7789
    @nathancomo7789 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Also you keep erasing things on here too🤦‍♂ Even in the public eye your hiding stuff. Imagine what they are doing behind close doors people.

    • @rumaabba8875
      @rumaabba8875 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Devil=》accuser & father of lie (liar)

    • @Dana-hd8he
      @Dana-hd8he 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nathan coming YEP to erasing motive of their operation which is OCCULT BEHAVIOR

  • @jesse65847
    @jesse65847 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Everybody read the report before you comment.

    • @GinaMaeKim
      @GinaMaeKim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The report is a joke. NO THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE YET! On top of ALL OF THIS they waited over 3 months to do this stupid report done by their defense attorney! That is THREE MONTHS+ of shredding papers, hiding emails, deleting emails, etc.... Just think about it. THERE IS A MOT MORE GOING ON AND THAT HAS GONE ON!

  • @upboundbibletalks
    @upboundbibletalks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The report is in alignment with what I know to be true from people directly involved. Meanwhile, I’ve seen disparaging comments from members of the AG about the report. I wish the professionalism displayed by McNamara can foster trust for the AG to bring up alleged evidence.

  • @rontimus
    @rontimus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys facilitated a predator forever. Just shut it down.

  • @joandean3817
    @joandean3817 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    This is stuff from 2 decades ago. It happened, he repented and God is taking care of it now. That is all folks. Go back to you whatever you do. Show is over. ❤Zion 🔥

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You wish/this is just the beginning

    • @user-wf4sy1wb5t
      @user-wf4sy1wb5t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👍

    • @rumaabba8875
      @rumaabba8875 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Those religineous full of ENVY , envy worst then jeleous

    • @lionjudah8900
      @lionjudah8900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, get Mike back so he can access more young women!

  • @JorgeCalderon-w1n
    @JorgeCalderon-w1n 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I blessed and prayed for IHOP! I stand with the body of Christ and for truth.

  • @docbarm3338
    @docbarm3338 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The ministry itself must be investigated. Mike WAS IHOPKC and involved in nearly every aspect. Financials especially must become transparent since they left the EFCA since 2016!

  • @floral35
    @floral35 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    it is not a safe place or pleasing to any survivors

  • @cooperkurdziolek5737
    @cooperkurdziolek5737 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So when someone actually brought clear allegations with evidence it was addressed and brought to the light by IHOP....

  • @Thefirstflightup
    @Thefirstflightup 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I read the report, it is kind of biases TBN. Why? If you are a victim and had been abused by a famous pastor, will you have courage to come out, letting people see your face on the internet and judging you. I am not saying whether it is truth or not. But the reported only focus on the validation of these women’s identities or their reactions to the issues. Or, how leaders in Ihopkc have been assaulted. It didn’t focus on MB at all… If you want a fair report, I guess we need a third party to step in, but not IHOP themselves find somebody to investigate.

  • @twinsof1965
    @twinsof1965 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is what happens when "self" becomes more important than God. It should be a lesson to every church in the world. We have allowed new age, demonic and Jezebel spirits into the ministry and church as a whole. We worship by lips only and not with our whole hearts. Everyone wants to be famous and known that they make it all about themselves instead of Jesus Christ! We have women looking like men and men looking like women on the platforms "performing" and the crowds worship them more than they do God. But if anyone disagrees with any of the rules they have in place and they try to tell the leaders, they are the ones to get kicked out of church, immediately. Leaders need to ask the Lord for discernment and begin to see who is truly humble and pleasing to God to be up in a platform leading in worship or preaching and teaching. That is the way it was done in the Bible and in old times of the church. They were not there just to be famous or impress anyone but God. Big difference from all churches today. So, so sad that there are so very few churches left where the Holy Spirit of God is and everyone who enters can feel it! It's NOT and SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT NUMBERS!!! It should be about true believers in Christ and true worship to Him alone!
    😪😪😪💔💔💔😭😭😭

    • @carpediem4612
      @carpediem4612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🎯🎯🎯

  • @kramsdrawde8159
    @kramsdrawde8159 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This was known by more than just bickle and he is NOT the only one who has done this at Ihopkc.

  • @kel8150
    @kel8150 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Thank you Eric; I appreciate the update. I pray that we can move forward in unity.
    Please, anyone leaving comments, if you have anything that won't be helpful for building up those in need, kindly keep it to yourself. This has been a painful season for many, and attacks don’t help.

    • @lionjudah8900
      @lionjudah8900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey, folks leave the wolves alone to prey on the vulnerable. We want to stay in our safe spaces and don't want to hear it anymore.🙉🙈🙊

    • @takeheart2926
      @takeheart2926 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Speaking up against abuse is very helpful. Standing for justice is very loving.
      Defending abusers is the most unkind thing to do. Enabling abusers is not the heart of God.
      Silence the truth is not kind at all and it grieves the heart of God.
      Abandoning victims is very unkind.
      Speaking out in defense of abuse while not educated about abuse is foolish.
      Making a big issue about being kind while looking away from abuse and defend and enable an abuser is extremely unkind, cruel and toxic.
      God is a God of justice. You can choose to look the other way. And maybe here on earth you get away with it. The day you stand before God…. God cares that you abandoned victims and defended an abuser. And your defense was I had to be kind.
      What is kind about touch minors and women inappropriately. What is kind about sexual abuse and hiding lying and being deceitful.
      This proofs how broken the church is. When there is sexual abuse. They are going to pad each other on the shoulder and say…. I am kind I am kind look how kind i am. And totally ignore the fact how much evil is in abuse.
      It’s not kind to put zero value in sexual abuse yet stand proud proclaiming how kind we are.
      The issue here at hand isn’t… who is kind and who is not.
      The issue is not are all sinners or not.
      The issue isn’t here are we forgiving or not.
      That’s always what every abuser uses to deflect, gaslight and weaponize faith.
      The issue at hand is a leader hid sexual abuse since 1975. That’s many many years of deception, manipulation, evil and gaslighting.
      God is a God of justice. Now you maybe care about still pleasing Mike Bickle.
      The day you stand before God… God cares you defended and abuser. He will hold every one accountable for enabling. And not defending the broken, the hurt and abandoned.

    • @lionjudah8900
      @lionjudah8900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Amen, well said.@@takeheart2926

    • @lionjudah8900
      @lionjudah8900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Amen, well said.@@takeheart2926

    • @GinaMaeKim
      @GinaMaeKim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are COMPLETELY NAIVE. The report is a joke. NO THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE YET! On top of ALL OF THIS they waited over 3 months to do this stupid report done by their defense attorney! That is THREE MONTHS+ of shredding papers, hiding emails, deleting emails, etc.... Just think about it. THERE IS A MOT MORE GOING ON AND THAT HAS GONE ON!

  • @crystalasia2649
    @crystalasia2649 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    STILL NOT A THIRD PARTY THAT WAS AGREED UPON!!! This guys is such a snake. PR snake. We do not want to hear from you. And we want an ACTUAL THIRD PARTY that is agreed upon. NOT a defense attorney that you guys keep touting as "a third party investigator." It is SICK and EMBARRASSING what you guys are doing! It has been MONTHS!

  • @ParkerRudolph
    @ParkerRudolph 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Well said! Thank you for these clear and concise reports.

    • @GinaMaeKim
      @GinaMaeKim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      HAHAHAHA are you this naive. The report is a joke. NO THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE YET! On top of ALL OF THIS they waited over 3 months to do this stupid report done by their defense attorney! That is THREE MONTHS+ of shredding papers, hiding emails, deleting emails, etc.... Just think about it. THERE IS A MOT MORE GOING ON AND THAT HAS GONE ON!

  • @teriparrish4193
    @teriparrish4193 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This sounds very suspect.

  • @madduckks
    @madduckks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    And what about Mike's son and that alleged affair?

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Total coverup.

    • @gustavomarquez4291
      @gustavomarquez4291 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It is written in the report. Read it :)

    • @SomethingNewOficial
      @SomethingNewOficial 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It’s in the report

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SomethingNewOficial is Bob Hartley in the report

    • @elainepetras236
      @elainepetras236 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did you even bother to read the report???

  • @carpediem4612
    @carpediem4612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Was Misty’s song tightrope that u erased here..propehtic?🤔

  • @vintageisbetter
    @vintageisbetter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where’s the link???

  • @jmkqfnvyl87
    @jmkqfnvyl87 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Subsequent actions?
    Not one biblical action has been taken by IHOP.
    You have not even dismissed leaders in the way that is prescribed in your bible but have done so in the way that corporations do.
    But we have to actually use the Lords definitions of what constitutes a "lover of God". Not the ones we made up to allow complacency and compromise and continuance in sin. Read the epistles of John. Hold yourself accountable to those words and those definitions and don't use other qualifiers.

    • @jillshannon8627
      @jillshannon8627 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They fired him, disfellowshipped him, and the leaders resigned before they got fired. Action and sanction has been applied. Biblical rebuke was also brought against him repeatedly.

    • @jmkqfnvyl87
      @jmkqfnvyl87 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@jillshannon8627 nope. Biblical rebuke is to bring someone before the congregation and ask them to repent. If not repentant publicly and willing to stand before the body. . . Then if not repentant or willing to submit, you are commanded to treat them as an unbeliever and disfellowship them based on that. You cannot call them a believer and 'lover of God' AND disfellowship. That can't happen among christians. Actually we have the biblical model of how Jesus rebuked leaders and his disciples in public and how Paul instructs us to show us what that looks like.
      The body of Christ as expressed in a church is not subject to the rules of HR or the whims of boards or CEO's. Boards and CEOs should not be making unilateral decisions rather we should do it the biblical way. Someone who is only doing it the HR way of doing things cares more about how things look than obeying biblical process. The HR process of doing things does not actually accomplish anything for a church cause God has never viewed a church as a corporation and does not go by or hold us accountable to those rules but to scripture.
      Same goes with resignation--somone resigning has nothing to do with and doesn't even effect the biblical process that must still be followed.
      Sure a senior leader can just resign from a corporation and just walk away. But it's not that way in a church body--which must insist on biblical process.
      So that will be the question: is IHOP an expression of the body of Christ or of a corporation? By which rules of which kingdom will they choose to abide by and justify themselves by--the secular or the sacred?
      But I tell you this truly, Jesus will never justify any action except by reference to the word and testimony of God. Stuff we have done because it seems "right" according to the wisdom of culture or of man's traditions and what "looks good" from that standpoint will all be called foolishness.

    • @annmariehalla9145
      @annmariehalla9145 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for the truth, I have been through 2 church splits and well you said it all biblical.., where I live all these churches here are run like corporations and it’s disgusting.,, we have to do church on line due to this so called church government! We refuse to replace, disrespect our Lord with worldly applications, and approaches to the body of Christ

    • @rumaabba8875
      @rumaabba8875 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Dude , most accusers = outsider .. you guys supposely held in accountable. Stop and repent!!
      Devil = accusers of brethern

  • @SV-nx6fk
    @SV-nx6fk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I honestly don't get this. You have chosen to destroy a godly man and his ministry. Where is the healing and restoration when you have terminated your relationship with him? ... Can you people stop with thinking you have to operate in a manner that the world does in a litigious world and acting to 'protect' your organization. How are any of these actions in keeping with the Gospel? Cast the sinner to curb and spit on him as he wails over some sins he did over 20 years that he and God recognized as under the Blood.
    The fact that no one can dig up anything closer than 20 years ago should tell you that the redemption work of Grace did its work in Mike's life.

    • @GinaMaeKim
      @GinaMaeKim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are so naive. The report is a joke. NO THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE YET! On top of ALL OF THIS they waited over 3 months to do this stupid report done by their defense attorney! That is THREE MONTHS+ of shredding papers, hiding emails, deleting emails, etc.... Just think about it. THERE IS A MOT MORE GOING ON AND THAT HAS GONE ON!

  • @loonhaunt
    @loonhaunt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I fear for the American church. AKA Inquisition.

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The militarism is moving into the church - authoritarianism is coming to a church near you

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The church is as sleazy as society 🤢🤮

    • @keshatincopa3970
      @keshatincopa3970 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What do you mean?

    • @loonhaunt
      @loonhaunt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@keshatincopa3970see my comment beginning with "more rejoicing".

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A remnant remains

  • @mikhailryzhov9539
    @mikhailryzhov9539 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Кто из вас без греха , пусть кинет в них камень.
    А вообще то удивительно смотреть на вас.
    Вспоминается история с Майкл Джексон, которого обвиняли в домогательствах, а после его смерти эти же обвинители каялись в том что это неправда и хотели от него денег.
    И здесь то же кто-то что-то хочет и нашёл повод.
    Скрывающий проступок ищет любви.
    Мы призваны искать любви а не справедливости.

    • @mikhailryzhov9539
      @mikhailryzhov9539 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Мир вам и благодать

  • @spider23000
    @spider23000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Remember Jesus.

  • @youlife.
    @youlife. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    JOHN 8:7

  • @lizreuber7945
    @lizreuber7945 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thank you IHOPKC. You’ve taken the high road.
    Let’s see if the “advocacy group” is satisfied or continues to desire viral social media posts over the humility you have chosen.
    May our God bring healing to all involved and complete restoration.
    None of this surprises Him… including our reactions. He will reign supreme.

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      😂😂😂are you bickle

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

    • @rumaabba8875
      @rumaabba8875 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love Ihop, Godbless you all , ur broadcast trully blessing to my soul and spirit....

  • @TroyStevens430
    @TroyStevens430 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Classic spiritual manipulation.

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The congregation doesn’t even care😂😂😂

    • @TroyStevens430
      @TroyStevens430 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Tendervittle Just demonstrates how little discernment there is in this church. All that's required by Volz is throwing out a couple of spiritual sounding phrases about the blood of Jesus & the empty tomb and the sheep happily conclude that all's well. Meanwhile, there's still a boatload of corruption that remains unaddressed.

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@TroyStevens430 I started in this cult in 1983 - I know a lot - the whole movement is disgusting - fantasy land

    • @TroyStevens430
      @TroyStevens430 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Tendervittle I've only been observing from a distance, but having worked in a spiritually abusive 'Christian organization' my radar has been sounding pretty loudly whenever I hear these guys.
      To me it's becoming blatantly obvious from refusal to allow a true investigation that there must be way more that they're hiding. It won't work. Jesus is personally exposing this garbage and there's no amount of brand management or spin-doctoring that's going to thwart Him.
      Bless you for escaping the plantation.

    • @carpediem4612
      @carpediem4612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yup and every camp even us moderate Pentecostals have been calling them out from the start….why don’t u expose what u know n plaster it everywhere..maybe some cultmembers may see the light@@Tendervittle

  • @Essentials2018
    @Essentials2018 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am startled that Mr. Volz misunderstands the seriousness of the IHOPKC situation. This ministry and all defending it are a tragic fulfillment of 1 Timothy 4:1-2.
    Shame on all of you!

  • @blueskywoo
    @blueskywoo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wait. He changed his shirt. What happened.

  • @LetyBravo
    @LetyBravo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ... "a PERCEIVED lack of safety" - hahahaha!

  • @mikhailryzhov9539
    @mikhailryzhov9539 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Св. Исаак Сирин сказал: "Не называй Бога справедливым. Потому что если Бог справедлив, я погиб"

  • @TN-Rural-Noachide-Woman
    @TN-Rural-Noachide-Woman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Spiritual bypassing and gross CYA and no this is NOT A SAFE PLACE OR SPACE HOW DISGUSTING

  • @pianowithdw
    @pianowithdw 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can you guys please make it all more vague with more verbage videos, long drawn out processes and ambiguity? There hasn't been enough...
    But seriously, this is getting absolutely pitiful and maybe someone could finally just be clear and transparent? This has been an absolutely shameful way to handle this situation from the start, and all this dancing around seems very un-Christlike. I love IHOP KC and have been deeply impacted through its ministry, and no one's perfect, but howbout you guys do what's right and just be open?

  • @thismoment.intime
    @thismoment.intime 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Appreciate the update. Praying Proverbs 3:5-6

  • @GoofyGolf412
    @GoofyGolf412 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YIKES

  • @Skipbo000
    @Skipbo000 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so much for 24/7 prayer.... when are we finally going to accept that the entire modern evangelical movement is rife with idolatry, hyper spiritualism and egoism. this intense obsession with being "spiritual" or "godly" in order to be better than the world around us, putting certain people on pedestals and idolizing them, even turning the Bible itself into a weaponized idol that we use to judge and control others is all just nothing more than sin. Love God and Love Others. That's all we have to do. It doesn't matter what music we use, what gimmicks we create, books we read or sermons we listen to. IHOP is just another gimmick created by people who believe that it somehow makes Jesus love them more or listens to them more intently.

  • @gatewaychurchrichmond
    @gatewaychurchrichmond 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That is good news.

    • @Pollard_jono
      @Pollard_jono 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      This is not credible news whatsoever

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Get ready more dirt is coming

    • @Pollard_jono
      @Pollard_jono 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Tendervittle truckloads

    • @nathancomo7789
      @nathancomo7789 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Pollard_jono 100% it is NOT. What a joke this is.

    • @kainoaalapai2247
      @kainoaalapai2247 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes NOT credible at all!

  • @lionjudah8900
    @lionjudah8900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nothing to see here...

  • @migrantson
    @migrantson 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cap.

  • @WilliamMiller-nr5gb
    @WilliamMiller-nr5gb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This is the best publication on this matter from IHOP-'KC to date, by far. Thank you for it. 🙏♥️

  • @JudithGrominger
    @JudithGrominger 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am pleased at the discretion regarding the handling of this matter.

  • @JorgeCalderon-w1n
    @JorgeCalderon-w1n 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amen!

  • @zhuangcorp
    @zhuangcorp 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I think this report is more reliable than what many feared. But it also falls short in a number of ways. '
    C+ or B-

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You don’t ask for much👎

    • @nathancomo7789
      @nathancomo7789 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Haha are you serious. More like an F-. Also did you think about the fact that its been months and they've had all this time to hide or prep for something like this which in the end wasnt even an investigator, but a defense attorney!

  • @phils2ys4u
    @phils2ys4u 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yay! Problem solved. NOT!! What a clown show. The way ihop has handled this and completely excluded themselves from the issue is despicable. What a joke.

  • @Mary003-tez79
    @Mary003-tez79 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God bless you 💕🙏🙏🙏

  • @vanderHoffTeachings
    @vanderHoffTeachings 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Like a butcher putting his own meat-labels on his meat.

  • @michelangelo6565
    @michelangelo6565 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your a joke bro

  • @carpediem4612
    @carpediem4612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Haaa so funny watching the comments decrease in numbers as the views increase..keep hiding truth ya don’t like ihop 👌

    • @nathancomo7789
      @nathancomo7789 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They keeeeeep hiding the truth. Even their videos keep getting hidden by them. Imagine what theyre hiding behind closed doors. And they've had MONTHS to hid stuff.

  • @Tendervittle
    @Tendervittle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a joke - sleazy ihop 🤢🤮

  • @tatiede9618
    @tatiede9618 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It looks like the Jay Doe #1 doesn’t even exist 🤷‍♀️

    • @cooperkurdziolek5737
      @cooperkurdziolek5737 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Looks like she is lying and exaggerating what happened without evidence....

  • @andywilson6890
    @andywilson6890 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is horrible. You people should be ashamed. You are fooling no one but yourselves. My heart breaks for what you and the General have done to ihopkc.

  • @OrangeLight08
    @OrangeLight08 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    why does this guy seem plastic and robotic. ? almost ai like.

    • @Iris-j4r
      @Iris-j4r 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably because Internet trolls like directing their malice at him. These people are human; grieving - and they are treated guilty by association. Just so grose how people have conducted themselves and shown their true colours when another part of the body gets hit with a devastating blow like this; and then ugliness is of so called Christ Followers is displayed. Hideous.

    • @estherhofmann2915
      @estherhofmann2915 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Iris-j4r the speaker went throught a long difficult and challenging time. Your comments show a miserable character. Shame!

    • @albertlopez2237
      @albertlopez2237 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thats how he is; just is a bit odd. look up other interviews he had had years b4 this situation.

    • @Iris-j4r
      @Iris-j4r 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@estherhofmann2915 Lady, read your Bible and get a grip on life. I dont know what youre on about, but YOU NEED JESUS.

  • @gustavomarquez4291
    @gustavomarquez4291 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you!!

  • @mschulte3203
    @mschulte3203 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well said, Eric 🎉!

    • @GinaMaeKim
      @GinaMaeKim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you are so naive. The report is a joke. NO THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE YET! On top of ALL OF THIS they waited over 3 months to do this stupid report done by their defense attorney! That is THREE MONTHS+ of shredding papers, hiding emails, deleting emails, etc.... Just think about it. THERE IS A MOT MORE GOING ON AND THAT HAS GONE ON!

  • @arinapak4824
    @arinapak4824 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes and Amen

  • @felipesimoes1
    @felipesimoes1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Ihopkc is a blessing for Brazil. 🇧🇷🇮🇱

    • @carpediem4612
      @carpediem4612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Poor Brazil

  • @docbarm3338
    @docbarm3338 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The ministry itself must be investigated. Mike WAS IHOPKC and involved in nearly every aspect. Financials especially must become transparent since they left the EFCA since 2016!

    • @rumaabba8875
      @rumaabba8875 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Im sorry , who are u sir?
      🤣

    • @GinaMaeKim
      @GinaMaeKim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The report is a joke. NO THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE YET! On top of ALL OF THIS they waited over 3 months to do this stupid report done by their defense attorney! That is THREE MONTHS+ of shredding papers, hiding emails, deleting emails, etc.... Just think about it. THERE IS A MOT MORE GOING ON AND THAT HAS GONE ON!

  • @maryfuqua3314
    @maryfuqua3314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you !