Thank you for posting this up and sharing this to whoever put it on youtube i ll showem the next time!! Bet im one of the few whi comment bother to study everything about this properly .I reckon that person knows properly!
Try doing this to a 6”2 person who is heavily intoxicated on a busy Saturday night....lol. You do what is required to get that mess out of the dance floor and away from the front door. This SIA physical intervention course is a complete waste of time and money. It takes years of hard grafting at doors and a few bottles back of your head to become a good solid doorman. This course is not going to turn you a good doorman.
FlameHead _ comes with time. Sometimes when you are too busy dealing with issues in front of you some chav sneaks around the back and bottle you and leg it round the corner, the truth is you can’t have all the corners covered. The venues are trying to save money, in some clubs we used to have 12 doorman on a Saturday night or bank holiday Sunday night now they have been reduced to 6/7, literally cutting our strength to half but at the same time adding a separate smoking area increasing our workload. When shit hits the fan the venue managers are asking questions!!! In reality they just want to comply with the licensing regulations by having a few of us there, not to reduce the violence or trouble. There motto is to invest as less as possible and stretch that profit to moon and back at the cost of other people’s blood. Just done a very busy pub for last two weeks very close to Ladbroke Grove, during the nottinghill carnival the pub had around 600 people and it was two of us manning it ..... been in the job for over 30 years even I found that ridiculous. You need to invest properly to see a result if not no matter how good the doorman’s are they are always going to come out second.
@@losedarkhorse I find as doorman it is within the last hours it all kicks off, as these born kids live like chaos and when their 18 to 19 don't care or even think twice about law. If we are to evict, it will take more use of force with heavier hands back also arms twisted and especially when we're on our own. Used more force than what SIA preaches to us during my career, l had lot of court charges dropped and police statements demolished since l used my body worn camera and mentioned words stand back, as when l told police and sent footages over to CPS it was these idiots l thrown out in wrong. Always remember, we have no more power than regular person outside badge but we are able to use more force if needed as long as we show that we felt threatened when BWC activated as that will stick in any court and with hands together also open leg stance, and step back with shout of stand back is only two moves l must admit is correct for our legal also personal safety while on duty. I know first two principle moves don't work, but remember you got to show police and prosecution that you felt threatened rather than you just heading up to reveller and grabbing. I seen this all too well, lot of door staff lost their licenses to work when dealing with escalations straight hands on, or now gained reputations and made unemployable where they are always known on DBS to be first cause instead of the resolution. Law is fukk of snowflakes, come to USA and you don't get what British law throws at you mate. Sometimes l wonder, is it worth it having a SIA level 2 badge. I'm looking for out, as ever since SIA took over there have been lot of issues and for me personally l find it is lost with reality to fairy tales.
@@lynxyt_194 Mate, he is right. I am on my second shift this weekend tonight and going to have brief before l start. I will also have debrief, making absolute clear of my role also intentions to colleagues, also where l be location and how many people l be closely keeping eye on inside club. You have to use self initiative and also be more dynamic as risk moves every hour to every minute, lot of tines l try blend in and talk to them outside before heading in or when customers are having smoke because it helps clear the quietness which make it less of a potential hostile environment as we employees to self employed don't get paid enough to stay quiet and go full on regimental.
cheers knight Rider I have a background like yours. I do respect the effort that these organisations put into such courses, how ever they are as much use as tits on a bull when it comes to the bloke who is at the sharp end of real violence an on his own to boot. their scenarios of effective restraining methods is laughable, in each situation the person is just standing there, why dont you try guys when your dealing with a street fighter, not to forget a grappler. no disrespect. cheers kell.
I'm guessing the videos are for those who are doing SIA training to practice the holds. We all know real world situations differ from that in the classroom, but people need to see how the holds are performed so that in a real life situation it's an automatic reaction that other people working with you know off by heart and split seconds decisions make all the difference. No amount of training can prepare you for the real situations as some people will freeze.
@@Doodlebugdude seeing how the holds are performed and doing them on a non resisting attacker isn't going to do a thing when it hits the fan.techniques need to be pressure tested against a resisting aggressive partner wearing gloves,if you freeze up and panic either your training wasn't effective enough or you aren't cut out for the doors.
@@JJ_Beats._. It's about learning. Nobody comes out the womb knowing everything. Learning the basics and experience of real life situations we have all been through is key. We aren't born experts which is the point I was making. 😊
@@JJ_Beats._. I went through a 5 day intensive course because I worked in a medium secure unit where patients can kick off at any time. You don't jump to expert level without learning basic manoeuvres. Our trainers taught us that. The element of surprise is also very important. That training saved my life when drunken thugs attacked my friends. It becomes almost automatic.
@@Doodlebugdude completely agree,but the sia physical intervention training is a joke and will likely not serve you well unless you take a few hits,gain some experience on the doors along with advice from your colleagues. I'd always highly suggest anyone working or wanting to work on the doors take up a martial art,get used to the feeling of getting hit and having to stay standing while you're in the clinch. Along with situation awareness skills which come to most people pretty naturally and if not you'll pick it up as you go along.
At least i can watch this over and over again its easier to learn in a visual format!!
Hopefully I'll pass this course, very much enjoyed the course, just exams and physical intervention to go, fingers crossed 🤞.
Thank you for posting this up and sharing this to whoever put it on youtube i ll showem the next time!! Bet im one of the few whi comment bother to study everything about this properly .I reckon that person knows properly!
I'll be going full on with it Alexandra.
What's with the spa music.
Only a handful of things taught by the SIA work, and the ones that do you can't actually apply unless the person is letting you do it.
Thanks for showing me them home
What school
What's with the spa musix
Keeps you focused on the task...
are we not open
to a hed but?
R K knows but he knows also ...he knows i was a bit rough on him!!sorry he did describe me as strong! Just did not know what to do with my strength!
A P knows!!
Try doing this to a 6”2 person who is heavily intoxicated on a busy Saturday night....lol. You do what is required to get that mess out of the dance floor and away from the front door. This SIA physical intervention course is a complete waste of time and money. It takes years of hard grafting at doors and a few bottles back of your head to become a good solid doorman. This course is not going to turn you a good doorman.
A few bottles at the back of your head😂😂😭
FlameHead _ comes with time. Sometimes when you are too busy dealing with issues in front of you some chav sneaks around the back and bottle you and leg it round the corner, the truth is you can’t have all the corners covered. The venues are trying to save money, in some clubs we used to have 12 doorman on a Saturday night or bank holiday Sunday night now they have been reduced to 6/7, literally cutting our strength to half but at the same time adding a separate smoking area increasing our workload. When shit hits the fan the venue managers are asking questions!!! In reality they just want to comply with the licensing regulations by having a few of us there, not to reduce the violence or trouble. There motto is to invest as less as possible and stretch that profit to moon and back at the cost of other people’s blood. Just done a very busy pub for last two weeks very close to Ladbroke Grove, during the nottinghill carnival the pub had around 600 people and it was two of us manning it ..... been in the job for over 30 years even I found that ridiculous. You need to invest properly to see a result if not no matter how good the doorman’s are they are always going to come out second.
@@losedarkhorse I find as doorman it is within the last hours it all kicks off, as these born kids live like chaos and when their 18 to 19 don't care or even think twice about law. If we are to evict, it will take more use of force with heavier hands back also arms twisted and especially when we're on our own. Used more force than what SIA preaches to us during my career, l had lot of court charges dropped and police statements demolished since l used my body worn camera and mentioned words stand back, as when l told police and sent footages over to CPS it was these idiots l thrown out in wrong. Always remember, we have no more power than regular person outside badge but we are able to use more force if needed as long as we show that we felt threatened when BWC activated as that will stick in any court and with hands together also open leg stance, and step back with shout of stand back is only two moves l must admit is correct for our legal also personal safety while on duty. I know first two principle moves don't work, but remember you got to show police and prosecution that you felt threatened rather than you just heading up to reveller and grabbing. I seen this all too well, lot of door staff lost their licenses to work when dealing with escalations straight hands on, or now gained reputations and made unemployable where they are always known on DBS to be first cause instead of the resolution. Law is fukk of snowflakes, come to USA and you don't get what British law throws at you mate. Sometimes l wonder, is it worth it having a SIA level 2 badge. I'm looking for out, as ever since SIA took over there have been lot of issues and for me personally l find it is lost with reality to fairy tales.
@@lynxyt_194 Mate, he is right. I am on my second shift this weekend tonight and going to have brief before l start. I will also have debrief, making absolute clear of my role also intentions to colleagues, also where l be location and how many people l be closely keeping eye on inside club. You have to use self initiative and also be more dynamic as risk moves every hour to every minute, lot of tines l try blend in and talk to them outside before heading in or when customers are having smoke because it helps clear the quietness which make it less of a potential hostile environment as we employees to self employed don't get paid enough to stay quiet and go full on regimental.
cheers knight Rider I have a background like yours. I do respect the effort that these organisations put into such courses, how ever they are as much use as tits on a bull when it comes to the bloke who is at the sharp end of real violence an on his own to boot. their scenarios of effective restraining methods is laughable, in each situation the person is just standing there, why dont you try guys when your dealing with a street fighter, not to forget a grappler. no disrespect. cheers kell.
I'm guessing the videos are for those who are doing SIA training to practice the holds.
We all know real world situations differ from that in the classroom, but people need to see how the holds are performed so that in a real life situation it's an automatic reaction that other people working with you know off by heart and split seconds decisions make all the difference.
No amount of training can prepare you for the real situations as some people will freeze.
@@Doodlebugdude seeing how the holds are performed and doing them on a non resisting attacker isn't going to do a thing when it hits the fan.techniques need to be pressure tested against a resisting aggressive partner wearing gloves,if you freeze up and panic either your training wasn't effective enough or you aren't cut out for the doors.
@@JJ_Beats._. It's about learning.
Nobody comes out the womb knowing everything.
Learning the basics and experience of real life situations we have all been through is key.
We aren't born experts which is the point I was making.
😊
@@JJ_Beats._. I went through a 5 day intensive course because I worked in a medium secure unit where patients can kick off at any time.
You don't jump to expert level without learning basic manoeuvres.
Our trainers taught us that.
The element of surprise is also very important.
That training saved my life when drunken thugs attacked my friends.
It becomes almost automatic.
@@Doodlebugdude completely agree,but the sia physical intervention training is a joke and will likely not serve you well unless you take a few hits,gain some experience on the doors along with advice from your colleagues.
I'd always highly suggest anyone working or wanting to work on the doors take up a martial art,get used to the feeling of getting hit and having to stay standing while you're in the clinch.
Along with situation awareness skills which come to most people pretty naturally and if not you'll pick it up as you go along.
That's non S. I. A. I recently did my training less than a week ago that's not what I was taught..
Kikkeli
Uhmmmmm I also thought that!!
Maybo mark Jenner
Not exactly that sort of sparring!!
Not exactly that sort of sparring!!