I love Denzel and the original gladiator movie but soon as he started speaking like he was in training day and the hip hop music started playing I was out. It's gonna be garbage. The lead actor also doesn't seem to have the gravitas of Russel Crowe
Both look bad to me. They are tailored for the American market. The F1 movie reminds me of that horrible movie with Sylvester Stallone some decades ago that meant to be about F1 but could not get the rights but regardless was just plain bad. Making a fictional story in F1? Why? Sport is all about Historical rivalries and Rush captured exactly that in 2013 with the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda. You could make a movie about the rivalry between Prost and Senna but these are real life events. What I am seeing here seems to be a typical example of "USA taking on the World" only it never happened. Like "The Last Samurai", true story of French officer Jules Brunet except Hollywood made the main character American and in the context of the Meiji era, he could not have been American because America was not even an Empire back then and barely had any military History whereas France Empire was declining just like the Japanese era of the Samurai, therefore it made no sense to have an American character except to create a fictional American hero to please an American crowd while neglecting Historical events, authenticity and cultural sense altogether. France and Japan have a medieval History and strong military History that started declining in the 19the Century so Jules Brunet's military career and choice to move to Japan made complete sense as rare as this move was. With an American soldier it just does not work. This F1 movie is 100% fictional so already you are losing all the supporters of F1 and all the Europeans. Sure it is a story about mentoring but it has no veracity in the History of F1, in fact there is no mentoring in F1, there is nothing but intense rivalry between teammates. Older F1 drivers are everything but mentors, they want to be number one in the team otherwise they would not be here still. Vettel never mentored anyone, neither did Alonso nor Hamilton and neither will Verstappen. There is no WE in F1. The number 2 driver will be asked to let number 1 win when the Championship depends on it. There is no Ford vs Ferrari epic either in F1 not since the 80s anyway, the last was Renault / McLaren. You could do the Brawn story but again the context of Brawn won't interest anyone because it is the poor era of F1 where Honda stood up due to regulations, it pretty much preceded the Ferrari domination under Schumacher, then the Mercedes domination under Hamilton, then the Red Bull domination under Vettel and Verstappen where one manufacturer seems to have understood how to go beyond the rule without getting caught while the rest is just not doing well. There is never been Mercedes vs Red Bull so maybe next year it is going to change with the revival of McLaren, maybe there will be an epic battle Nando Loris / Max Verstappen - McLaren / Red Bull but it would be a first since the 80s. The last epic rivalry was Prost Senna in F1 after that it was the desert, the Schumacher era sucked then came Alonso ever so briefly but never really got the car to compete after, then another long stretch of Hamilton, then the Red Bull domination with Vettel and now Verstappen. Decades of boring, no rivalry zero action where one pilot and one team dominate so outrageously, you already know from day 1 who is going to win it at the end of the season. To make a good F1 story you have to dig in the past, go all the way back to Fangio down to Senna and after that, nothing therefore you have to create fictional teams and characters that will only speak to an American audience. This movie F1 literally does not need F1, it could be any other sport. But mentoring in motorsports? This just does not happen, not in F1, not in Le Mans, not in WRC, not in IndyCar, not in MotoGP and definitely not between pilots who have not retired. If mentoring there is, it is between Team Boss and pilot, a typical example would be Paul Newman with Sebastien Bourdais in Indycar, or Valentino Rossi with his team VR46 Racing Team. Retired pilots help new pilots but active pilots don't, it is Hollywood nonsense. Gladiator II has you pointed out is full of CGIs better made than the first one but here is the thing, the best parts of a movie are usually not CGI, they are real. The first Gladiator was focusing on character development and plot. Although completely inaccurate Historically (like every Ridley Scott movie, last but not least Napoleon) it was watchable outside the USA because the depiction of the lives of gladiators was reasonably accurate and that's all it was. The cast was also pretty well chosen. In Gladiator II the cast is just lazy. Denzel Washington as much as I like him in his early days has become like most Hollywood actors a caricature of himself. Put it bluntly, you cannot have an Afro American actor playing an African. They are two completely different culture and I say it here clearly, Black Americans and Black Africans have NOTHING in common outside the colour of their skin. Culturally speaking it is night and day. Black Americans have the WASP / American Ghetto mentality, the American dream mentality, it is all about money and being obnoxious, it is all about looking good and being cool. Black Africans are survivors, they deal with physical abuse every day, they are the opposite of Black Lives Matter, they are tribal and if you are not of their tribe, you are in trouble. They are also closer to the land of their ancestors, especially among rural tribes, they have customs that are ancestral. In the first Gladiator, the casting was great, Djimon Hounsou is a Beninois, he is African not American and as such he is closer to what African people during Ancient Rome were, their spiritual state of mind, their attachment to the Land of their Fathers. Afro Americans have no attachment to the Land whatsoever, and for a good reason they are not natives. Denzel Washington is playing a New York ghetto character, he did not grasp his role and it is very common with Hollywood actors who have plenty of star power and are close to the end of their career, they make no efforts anymore, no research, accuracy is none of their concern. De Niro is a typical example of that decline, he has become a cliche of himself, all you see in every role he plays is De Niro doing a parody of De Niro and it sucks plain and simple. Oliver Reed was amazing in the first Gladiator, so was Richard Harris, these are old school theatrical actors who have been raised with Shakespeare and Greek Tragedy literature. They were perfectly fit to play their role. Joaquin Phoenix and Russell Crowe were not in their Prime yet, quite not A-listed and they delivered the good. Gladiator II suffers of the current lack of talents in Hollywood, lots of woke wannabies who are so politically oriented that they forgot their job is to learn to act, not to deliver a political speech and teach us a lesson. When Clint Eastwood dies, the last Hollywood Great will be gone and with him movies like Unforgiven. The current generation of actors won't give us that because they don't have the rugged edge of their predecessors, they were born in a materialistic era where work ethic is not valued as much as political correctness and arse kissing. The line-up in Gladiators II is missing old school badly. I am not buying most characters, I am seeing Hollywood all over and the Director Ridley Scott is responsible for that too because he has given way to woke Hollywood, he has not stay true to the nonsensical approach of cinema that made him a big name in the industry. To me he's way passed his prime. This trailer reminds me of Alexander and Troy or even worst 300 so full of Scottish and Irish accents and Viking looking Greeks it was Hollywood at its worst. Too many A-list actors who try to look good on camera killed these movies. The new breed of actors grew up in "looking good" Hollywood, they did not grow up in 12 Angry Men acting culture where actors don't play themselves playing someone else making a caricature of their roles but where actors disappear to become their role. Hollywood have not delivered that for decades granted there are a few exceptions such as Jeff Bridges or Daniel Day-Lewis. And this would be why you never hear about them in the media, they are true actors, not prima donnas and you can tell they work at their craft. The large majority of contemporary actors don't. They just sit there and look cute or so they think and the result is cringeworthy. Take a look at a young Jeff Bridges in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974), his performance speaks volume and you can tell he is surrounded by old school quality actors. We don't have that these days. Every time I watch a movie with the latest breed of actors and actresses, it feels to me like I am watching TH-camrs. I am not watching professional acting. Gladiators II feels like this to me. Unfit old actors passed their prime who could not care less and newbie who don't have much talent really.
'We will rock you - Queen', an American classic? Nope.
Lmao I thought the same thing when he said that
British band I know, but Americans love this song. It's been playing at basically every sporting event for 50 years.
i dont understand the issue with Denzel's " hood speak" as you put it. Romans spoke latin, no one in the movie sounds like a Roman.
To me it feels out of place by comparison--with the original film and the other actors in this one.
I love Denzel and the original gladiator movie but soon as he started speaking like he was in training day and the hip hop music started playing I was out. It's gonna be garbage. The lead actor also doesn't seem to have the gravitas of Russel Crowe
I'm with you. Sequels to epics seem like a bad idea to begin with anyway.
@@GoodRebelCreative especially after a long period, Top Gun maverick did manage to pull it off. But that's a rare example.
Both look bad to me. They are tailored for the American market. The F1 movie reminds me of that horrible movie with Sylvester Stallone some decades ago that meant to be about F1 but could not get the rights but regardless was just plain bad. Making a fictional story in F1? Why? Sport is all about Historical rivalries and Rush captured exactly that in 2013 with the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda. You could make a movie about the rivalry between Prost and Senna but these are real life events. What I am seeing here seems to be a typical example of "USA taking on the World" only it never happened. Like "The Last Samurai", true story of French officer Jules Brunet except Hollywood made the main character American and in the context of the Meiji era, he could not have been American because America was not even an Empire back then and barely had any military History whereas France Empire was declining just like the Japanese era of the Samurai, therefore it made no sense to have an American character except to create a fictional American hero to please an American crowd while neglecting Historical events, authenticity and cultural sense altogether. France and Japan have a medieval History and strong military History that started declining in the 19the Century so Jules Brunet's military career and choice to move to Japan made complete sense as rare as this move was. With an American soldier it just does not work. This F1 movie is 100% fictional so already you are losing all the supporters of F1 and all the Europeans. Sure it is a story about mentoring but it has no veracity in the History of F1, in fact there is no mentoring in F1, there is nothing but intense rivalry between teammates. Older F1 drivers are everything but mentors, they want to be number one in the team otherwise they would not be here still. Vettel never mentored anyone, neither did Alonso nor Hamilton and neither will Verstappen. There is no WE in F1. The number 2 driver will be asked to let number 1 win when the Championship depends on it. There is no Ford vs Ferrari epic either in F1 not since the 80s anyway, the last was Renault / McLaren. You could do the Brawn story but again the context of Brawn won't interest anyone because it is the poor era of F1 where Honda stood up due to regulations, it pretty much preceded the Ferrari domination under Schumacher, then the Mercedes domination under Hamilton, then the Red Bull domination under Vettel and Verstappen where one manufacturer seems to have understood how to go beyond the rule without getting caught while the rest is just not doing well. There is never been Mercedes vs Red Bull so maybe next year it is going to change with the revival of McLaren, maybe there will be an epic battle Nando Loris / Max Verstappen - McLaren / Red Bull but it would be a first since the 80s. The last epic rivalry was Prost Senna in F1 after that it was the desert, the Schumacher era sucked then came Alonso ever so briefly but never really got the car to compete after, then another long stretch of Hamilton, then the Red Bull domination with Vettel and now Verstappen. Decades of boring, no rivalry zero action where one pilot and one team dominate so outrageously, you already know from day 1 who is going to win it at the end of the season. To make a good F1 story you have to dig in the past, go all the way back to Fangio down to Senna and after that, nothing therefore you have to create fictional teams and characters that will only speak to an American audience. This movie F1 literally does not need F1, it could be any other sport. But mentoring in motorsports? This just does not happen, not in F1, not in Le Mans, not in WRC, not in IndyCar, not in MotoGP and definitely not between pilots who have not retired. If mentoring there is, it is between Team Boss and pilot, a typical example would be Paul Newman with Sebastien Bourdais in Indycar, or Valentino Rossi with his team VR46 Racing Team. Retired pilots help new pilots but active pilots don't, it is Hollywood nonsense.
Gladiator II has you pointed out is full of CGIs better made than the first one but here is the thing, the best parts of a movie are usually not CGI, they are real. The first Gladiator was focusing on character development and plot. Although completely inaccurate Historically (like every Ridley Scott movie, last but not least Napoleon) it was watchable outside the USA because the depiction of the lives of gladiators was reasonably accurate and that's all it was. The cast was also pretty well chosen. In Gladiator II the cast is just lazy. Denzel Washington as much as I like him in his early days has become like most Hollywood actors a caricature of himself. Put it bluntly, you cannot have an Afro American actor playing an African. They are two completely different culture and I say it here clearly, Black Americans and Black Africans have NOTHING in common outside the colour of their skin. Culturally speaking it is night and day. Black Americans have the WASP / American Ghetto mentality, the American dream mentality, it is all about money and being obnoxious, it is all about looking good and being cool. Black Africans are survivors, they deal with physical abuse every day, they are the opposite of Black Lives Matter, they are tribal and if you are not of their tribe, you are in trouble. They are also closer to the land of their ancestors, especially among rural tribes, they have customs that are ancestral. In the first Gladiator, the casting was great, Djimon Hounsou is a Beninois, he is African not American and as such he is closer to what African people during Ancient Rome were, their spiritual state of mind, their attachment to the Land of their Fathers. Afro Americans have no attachment to the Land whatsoever, and for a good reason they are not natives. Denzel Washington is playing a New York ghetto character, he did not grasp his role and it is very common with Hollywood actors who have plenty of star power and are close to the end of their career, they make no efforts anymore, no research, accuracy is none of their concern. De Niro is a typical example of that decline, he has become a cliche of himself, all you see in every role he plays is De Niro doing a parody of De Niro and it sucks plain and simple. Oliver Reed was amazing in the first Gladiator, so was Richard Harris, these are old school theatrical actors who have been raised with Shakespeare and Greek Tragedy literature. They were perfectly fit to play their role. Joaquin Phoenix and Russell Crowe were not in their Prime yet, quite not A-listed and they delivered the good. Gladiator II suffers of the current lack of talents in Hollywood, lots of woke wannabies who are so politically oriented that they forgot their job is to learn to act, not to deliver a political speech and teach us a lesson. When Clint Eastwood dies, the last Hollywood Great will be gone and with him movies like Unforgiven. The current generation of actors won't give us that because they don't have the rugged edge of their predecessors, they were born in a materialistic era where work ethic is not valued as much as political correctness and arse kissing. The line-up in Gladiators II is missing old school badly. I am not buying most characters, I am seeing Hollywood all over and the Director Ridley Scott is responsible for that too because he has given way to woke Hollywood, he has not stay true to the nonsensical approach of cinema that made him a big name in the industry. To me he's way passed his prime. This trailer reminds me of Alexander and Troy or even worst 300 so full of Scottish and Irish accents and Viking looking Greeks it was Hollywood at its worst. Too many A-list actors who try to look good on camera killed these movies. The new breed of actors grew up in "looking good" Hollywood, they did not grow up in 12 Angry Men acting culture where actors don't play themselves playing someone else making a caricature of their roles but where actors disappear to become their role. Hollywood have not delivered that for decades granted there are a few exceptions such as Jeff Bridges or Daniel Day-Lewis. And this would be why you never hear about them in the media, they are true actors, not prima donnas and you can tell they work at their craft. The large majority of contemporary actors don't. They just sit there and look cute or so they think and the result is cringeworthy. Take a look at a young Jeff Bridges in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974), his performance speaks volume and you can tell he is surrounded by old school quality actors. We don't have that these days. Every time I watch a movie with the latest breed of actors and actresses, it feels to me like I am watching TH-camrs. I am not watching professional acting. Gladiators II feels like this to me. Unfit old actors passed their prime who could not care less and newbie who don't have much talent really.