This is absolute gold for everyone new and old to modular. Good to see some kick drum patches in there, add a noise source and you've also got some very flexible snares too. Thanks for all the patch ideas!
thanks Daryl, much appreciated. If you're into making drums I've turned single oscillators into whole drum kits a few times in various videos. Here's one that's pretty quirky sounding // th-cam.com/video/lIGBIl3tX30/w-d-xo.html Here's another that's got a bit of drum machine meets bass voice thing going on // th-cam.com/video/gf8F31v45eo/w-d-xo.html This one gives a simple example and a more complex one, the complex one sounds great (if I do say so my self) // th-cam.com/video/Vy23uZSsdLY/w-d-xo.html
Dang, tip one, and I'm blown away I've had an oscillator with a sub out (Bastl Pizza) for a while now, and never considered using two different VCA patterns to make it sound like two voices. It's such a simple idea, and I've done some really weird patching since I've built this rack, but somehow there are some little tricks like this that need to be shown to me. It feels like if someone pointed out a door that leads to a room I never noticed in my house.
Mylar melodies is real great at doing that. Taking different outputs and running through entirely different vca, filter and effects routing to fake different voices. Fun stuff!
Thanks Gaeel, a personal favourite is having a less rhythmical dense gate pattern play an envelope + VCA for a sub wave. If you can get a -2 octave sub you can get some really cool separation between what feels like a higher and lower part. It usually means faster envelopes so you don't hear the other pitches come from as an envelope fades out and the 1v/oct is still playing faster changes but usually works well.
Yeah Mylar is a good call for that too, one thing he does different to this example which is nice is use the same pitch sequence but split off the pitch sequence. Rather than use one oscillator and break off different wave forms. Split the sequence into multiple places but only let certain notes play on each one. Nice musical way to work.
this really was super inspiring, tried out a few things with my little AE Modular, the AM in particular worked well and really expands the range of timbres I can get from 3 fairly limited oscillators. A bit of filter FM just to spice it up even more, interesting comparing how the overall sound can change a lot depending on wether the base oscillator or one of the modulating oscillators is also modulating the filter. Lots of ground to cover with experiments, I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't thought about AM using a VCA... Cheers Ben, thanks for the video. 🙏💙
glad to hear that and glad to hear you're getting good results too. Definitely coupling filter FM with AM is a good thing. As you say which of the oscillators goes where makes a big difference. Also try modulating the filter with the AM modulated waveform that can be fun.
Thank you. I am little more than an initiate into synthesis, and this very informative video is encouraging. Much of what you are doing seems super complicated even after you explain it I must admit. Nonetheless the way you explain it along with the visual aid of watching you do it at the same time makes its simple elegance obvious.
Thanks Aaron, things are tricky when you get started. If you can give VCV (free software) a try and try to rebuild some patches from videos that you like. It will give you an idea of how to go about some of the patch ideas without the cost of having it all in front of you. It's not patching hardware in experience obviously but it can help with the initial learning and understanding of patches. Feel free to ask questions and thanks for the comment.
@@DivKid I am doing purely analog to start out. I actually started by building simple to moderate breadboard modules. It helped me understand the individual components and very basic patching. I am encouraged to dig deeper now.
Minor correction: The synced waveforms look like what you'd get from a 3340 IC, and the positive/negative sync-inputs are an almost dead giveaway that thats the chip that was used. The standard hard sync on the 3340 doesn't work like 'normal' hard sync - that the waveform simply resets - what actually happens is that the triangle wave "switches direction" if the positive sync pulse coincides with the positive ramp of the triangle. (And the other way around for negative sync) This is a pretty unconventional way of implementing sync, so many manufacturers who used the 3340 back in the day did a workaround to get the regular sawtooth reset kind of sync. I always like it when designers go for the "true" 3340 hard sync. It's a cool sound, especially on the tri wave, and opens up for some patches that aren't possible otherwise.
Hi Johan, yeah the 3340 IC was used, Apollo View aren't trying to hide that, they mention on their site/manual. Thanks for the history/explanation of the sync and how people usually changed it, always great to hear information like that.
@@DivKid Wow, thank you for the reply! After posting I honestly felt a little awkward for such infodumping. Thank you for your work throughout the years, you are so inspiring.
Thanks for following along over the years and for the kind words, much appreciated. No worries about the info dump, it's good to learn new things so always feel free to share here.
I was inspired to try combining Synching oscillators with different sequences, mild linear FM from the synched oscillator, and exponential FM from a Sample and Hold.
Yeah sync with different oscillator sequences is nice. One droning long bass thing and the other an arpeggio or faster pattern. Lots of cool results. Bit of FM never hurt anyone!
Very stable, I know they spent a long time (there's a lot of calibration done in the manufacturing process) getting the stability and tuning accuracy right over a wide range.
yeah that linear sub feedback for the kick is great, rumble is the right word! If only I'd have thought to say rumble while making the video! Yeah souped up 3340, nice work from Apollo View.
Hello, I'd say any demo I've made. It's for the most part all applicable to any module. They're usually (like this) also wrapped up in module demos though. Luckily the people I work with are happy for me to push ideas people can take away and try. For example take the Dannysound Timbre (wave folder) video and if you see a patch you like try it on a Doepfer Wave Multipler, Joranalogue Fold 6 etc. I appreciate that doesn't sign post you to much but more often than not the patches apply across a broad bunch of modules with the same or similar functions. Do ask any questions though and I'll try to help. Or you have specific module types you'd like to get more from I'll grab some links.
Was there a multi oscillator synth with ‘What The’ before the Alpha Juno? Alpha only has a single DCO per voice and also has PWM Saw like your patch. Love these patched and your videos as always! It would be great to see how you would patch up an Operat.
Hello, yeah the Operat would be good fun, I have one here and have had nice sounds from it. I'm not sure about the 'What The' history really, not much beyond what was shared in the video anyway. I think it was entirely Alpha Juno and new for it, rather than coming from something else.
@@DivKid Not too many demos of it and I think your style would make it shine and would probably tip me over the edge to get one haha! Yeah, I think it was the first and just has one oscillator per voice. In addition to the PWM Square and Saw there is also a PWM Sub which is wild. It was the first vintage synth in my collection and so happy I got it and a programmer before the prices jumped.
I wish I still had some of the vintage bits I used to but plenty of gear to playing with and enjoying. PWM subs are nice! Great when a sub tracks along with changes in the waveform. That said ... I like a stable sub as a base to build over shifting harmonics on top of.
@@DivKid Eurorack definitely helps scratch the itch for characterful vintage sounds. Your review of the Soundforce Dual Filter is the reason I got one! Also building a Danny Sound Multi Mode Filter and stereo Olivella Imagenes. Agreed on the stable sub. Out of curiosity where did you gain your knowledge of synthesis and is there anywhere else besides your videos that you recommend checking out?
Hello, good timing, that's actually set on a schedule to post tomorrow afternoon. So watch out for that. Just catching up with both finishing up some exclusives and also fitting them into the schedule - I don't like posting loads at once in one week then nothing the week. I try to keep a fairly steady schedule of things going live.
Hi Robert, the release was set with retailers as last night when the video launched (to the date and time). Modular stores should have them online now or at least very soon. Control in New York USA have them - www.ctrl-mod.com/products/apollo-view-allscillator-8-waveform-vco?_pos=3&_sid=9f3c8dc7f&_ss=r Signal Sounds in the UK have them - www.signalsounds.com/apollo-view-allscillator-eurorack-oscillator-module?gclid=CjwKCAiA7IGcBhA8EiwAFfUDsTOf7fWMSSHALcT45Rk8nY5FRugD0TCHVk2s7bUmdgw_uEyBJwobrRoChg0QAvD_BwE (there's a discount code for Patrons for Signal Sounds) Others should have it up very soon. Where do you normally shop?
They (PC) have it online now and if you care to passively support me a bit you can use this link to visit Perfect Circuit as I'll get a small kickback ... sorry to push that, always feels weird but every bit of help keeps me going here. Thanks! Affiliate link bit.ly/DK-perfectcircuit If you don't want to use the affiliate link it's here (normal link, nothing to do with me) www.perfectcircuit.com/apollo-view-allscillator.html
Thank for this great content, i am learning alot! Joined patreon only for the Reese hoover major of bass town patch... nothing to be found there about it though.. shame on you ;-)
It's a lttle hard to see what one of these can do on it's own because you are using two at the same time. Just a suggestion but it would have been nicer if you had demonstrated one solo Allscillator first, then later on in the video demonstrate two. I would be more interested starting out with showing how you can combine the 8 outputs of one module.
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This is absolute gold for everyone new and old to modular. Good to see some kick drum patches in there, add a noise source and you've also got some very flexible snares too. Thanks for all the patch ideas!
thanks Daryl, much appreciated. If you're into making drums I've turned single oscillators into whole drum kits a few times in various videos.
Here's one that's pretty quirky sounding // th-cam.com/video/lIGBIl3tX30/w-d-xo.html
Here's another that's got a bit of drum machine meets bass voice thing going on // th-cam.com/video/gf8F31v45eo/w-d-xo.html
This one gives a simple example and a more complex one, the complex one sounds great (if I do say so my self) // th-cam.com/video/Vy23uZSsdLY/w-d-xo.html
@@DivKid I somehow missed these ones from you! Cheers!
Dang, tip one, and I'm blown away
I've had an oscillator with a sub out (Bastl Pizza) for a while now, and never considered using two different VCA patterns to make it sound like two voices.
It's such a simple idea, and I've done some really weird patching since I've built this rack, but somehow there are some little tricks like this that need to be shown to me.
It feels like if someone pointed out a door that leads to a room I never noticed in my house.
Mylar melodies is real great at doing that. Taking different outputs and running through entirely different vca, filter and effects routing to fake different voices. Fun stuff!
Thanks Gaeel, a personal favourite is having a less rhythmical dense gate pattern play an envelope + VCA for a sub wave. If you can get a -2 octave sub you can get some really cool separation between what feels like a higher and lower part.
It usually means faster envelopes so you don't hear the other pitches come from as an envelope fades out and the 1v/oct is still playing faster changes but usually works well.
Yeah Mylar is a good call for that too, one thing he does different to this example which is nice is use the same pitch sequence but split off the pitch sequence. Rather than use one oscillator and break off different wave forms. Split the sequence into multiple places but only let certain notes play on each one. Nice musical way to work.
One of the best and most informative vids on the ‘net!
Nice one thanks Jez, appreciate that.
Best video on synthesis for a while!
cheers Leon, really appreciate that.
this really was super inspiring, tried out a few things with my little AE Modular, the AM in particular worked well and really expands the range of timbres I can get from 3 fairly limited oscillators. A bit of filter FM just to spice it up even more, interesting comparing how the overall sound can change a lot depending on wether the base oscillator or one of the modulating oscillators is also modulating the filter. Lots of ground to cover with experiments, I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't thought about AM using a VCA... Cheers Ben, thanks for the video. 🙏💙
glad to hear that and glad to hear you're getting good results too. Definitely coupling filter FM with AM is a good thing. As you say which of the oscillators goes where makes a big difference. Also try modulating the filter with the AM modulated waveform that can be fun.
Thank you. I am little more than an initiate into synthesis, and this very informative video is encouraging. Much of what you are doing seems super complicated even after you explain it I must admit. Nonetheless the way you explain it along with the visual aid of watching you do it at the same time makes its simple elegance obvious.
Thanks Aaron, things are tricky when you get started. If you can give VCV (free software) a try and try to rebuild some patches from videos that you like. It will give you an idea of how to go about some of the patch ideas without the cost of having it all in front of you. It's not patching hardware in experience obviously but it can help with the initial learning and understanding of patches.
Feel free to ask questions and thanks for the comment.
@@DivKid I am doing purely analog to start out. I actually started by building simple to moderate breadboard modules. It helped me understand the individual components and very basic patching. I am encouraged to dig deeper now.
breadboarding and understanding the circuits is a great way to go, hope it's all going well.
Minor correction: The synced waveforms look like what you'd get from a 3340 IC, and the positive/negative sync-inputs are an almost dead giveaway that thats the chip that was used.
The standard hard sync on the 3340 doesn't work like 'normal' hard sync - that the waveform simply resets - what actually happens is that the triangle wave "switches direction" if the positive sync pulse coincides with the positive ramp of the triangle. (And the other way around for negative sync)
This is a pretty unconventional way of implementing sync, so many manufacturers who used the 3340 back in the day did a workaround to get the regular sawtooth reset kind of sync.
I always like it when designers go for the "true" 3340 hard sync. It's a cool sound, especially on the tri wave, and opens up for some patches that aren't possible otherwise.
Hi Johan, yeah the 3340 IC was used, Apollo View aren't trying to hide that, they mention on their site/manual.
Thanks for the history/explanation of the sync and how people usually changed it, always great to hear information like that.
@@DivKid Wow, thank you for the reply! After posting I honestly felt a little awkward for such infodumping. Thank you for your work throughout the years, you are so inspiring.
Thanks for following along over the years and for the kind words, much appreciated.
No worries about the info dump, it's good to learn new things so always feel free to share here.
I was inspired to try combining Synching oscillators with different sequences, mild linear FM from the synched oscillator, and exponential FM from a Sample and Hold.
Yeah sync with different oscillator sequences is nice. One droning long bass thing and the other an arpeggio or faster pattern. Lots of cool results. Bit of FM never hurt anyone!
always a pleasure.
thanks Giacomo :)
WAUW Audiorate wave morphing is so coool!
Yeah absolutely, wave splicing and see-saw morphing thing is really powerful.
Hi @@DivKid, thanks for your reply. I was wondering, how stable is this VCO? The VCO looks like hours of creative patching fun.
Very stable, I know they spent a long time (there's a lot of calibration done in the manufacturing process) getting the stability and tuning accuracy right over a wide range.
Nice to see a souped up 3340 VCO with additional waveforms. Btw, that's a really good rumble kick @9:30!
yeah that linear sub feedback for the kick is great, rumble is the right word! If only I'd have thought to say rumble while making the video!
Yeah souped up 3340, nice work from Apollo View.
Wow! What a great video I need to watch this like 5 times lmao. Thanks!
Let me know if you've any questions and enjoy the repeat viewings! thanks.
Great video!
Fantastic.
thanks Gabriel, appreciate that.
That dnb patch is mental
haha thanks sir Wellington
DivKid is the goat
Do you have any other videos that are just module agnostic patch ideas? I enjoyed this video a ton.
Hello, I'd say any demo I've made. It's for the most part all applicable to any module. They're usually (like this) also wrapped up in module demos though. Luckily the people I work with are happy for me to push ideas people can take away and try.
For example take the Dannysound Timbre (wave folder) video and if you see a patch you like try it on a Doepfer Wave Multipler, Joranalogue Fold 6 etc.
I appreciate that doesn't sign post you to much but more often than not the patches apply across a broad bunch of modules with the same or similar functions.
Do ask any questions though and I'll try to help. Or you have specific module types you'd like to get more from I'll grab some links.
Was there a multi oscillator synth with ‘What The’ before the Alpha Juno? Alpha only has a single DCO per voice and also has PWM Saw like your patch. Love these patched and your videos as always! It would be great to see how you would patch up an Operat.
Hello, yeah the Operat would be good fun, I have one here and have had nice sounds from it.
I'm not sure about the 'What The' history really, not much beyond what was shared in the video anyway. I think it was entirely Alpha Juno and new for it, rather than coming from something else.
@@DivKid Not too many demos of it and I think your style would make it shine and would probably tip me over the edge to get one haha!
Yeah, I think it was the first and just has one oscillator per voice. In addition to the PWM Square and Saw there is also a PWM Sub which is wild. It was the first vintage synth in my collection and so happy I got it and a programmer before the prices jumped.
I wish I still had some of the vintage bits I used to but plenty of gear to playing with and enjoying. PWM subs are nice! Great when a sub tracks along with changes in the waveform. That said ... I like a stable sub as a base to build over shifting harmonics on top of.
@@DivKid Eurorack definitely helps scratch the itch for characterful vintage sounds. Your review of the Soundforce Dual Filter is the reason I got one! Also building a Danny Sound Multi Mode Filter and stereo Olivella Imagenes.
Agreed on the stable sub. Out of curiosity where did you gain your knowledge of synthesis and is there anywhere else besides your videos that you recommend checking out?
scope at 16:52 looks like a 1980s side-scroller shoot-em-up
haha some city scape of skyscrapers.
THE MAN IS A LEAN MEAN WORKING MACHINE
indeed, lots of cool stuff coming and a pleasure to be able to work with it and share ideas around it
Nice patching.
cheers mate!
Excellent video! Now we all need two or more oscillators of this kind to try the patches out. 🙂
I joined Patreon but cannot find the techno kick patch. is it not out yet
Hello, good timing, that's actually set on a schedule to post tomorrow afternoon. So watch out for that.
Just catching up with both finishing up some exclusives and also fitting them into the schedule - I don't like posting loads at once in one week then nothing the week. I try to keep a fairly steady schedule of things going live.
@@DivKid thank you for clarify! I was lost looking for it after watching this video weeks ago. I will continue support thanks!
Are these Allscilllators available for purchase? Not seeing any on the typical sites.
Hi Robert, the release was set with retailers as last night when the video launched (to the date and time). Modular stores should have them online now or at least very soon.
Control in New York USA have them - www.ctrl-mod.com/products/apollo-view-allscillator-8-waveform-vco?_pos=3&_sid=9f3c8dc7f&_ss=r
Signal Sounds in the UK have them - www.signalsounds.com/apollo-view-allscillator-eurorack-oscillator-module?gclid=CjwKCAiA7IGcBhA8EiwAFfUDsTOf7fWMSSHALcT45Rk8nY5FRugD0TCHVk2s7bUmdgw_uEyBJwobrRoChg0QAvD_BwE (there's a discount code for Patrons for Signal Sounds)
Others should have it up very soon. Where do you normally shop?
@@DivKid Perfect Circuit gets a lot of my business!
They (PC) have it online now and if you care to passively support me a bit you can use this link to visit Perfect Circuit as I'll get a small kickback ... sorry to push that, always feels weird but every bit of help keeps me going here. Thanks!
Affiliate link bit.ly/DK-perfectcircuit
If you don't want to use the affiliate link it's here (normal link, nothing to do with me) www.perfectcircuit.com/apollo-view-allscillator.html
Thank for this great content, i am learning alot! Joined patreon only for the Reese hoover major of bass town patch... nothing to be found there about it though.. shame on you ;-)
It's a lttle hard to see what one of these can do on it's own because you are using two at the same time. Just a suggestion but it would have been nicer if you had demonstrated one solo Allscillator first, then later on in the video demonstrate two. I would be more interested starting out with showing how you can combine the 8 outputs of one module.
Damn. I've really been underutilizing my oscillators, huh 🤣
hopefully you can go give them some new patches and try a few things.
@@DivKid absolutely! You always get my mind racing man! ✌️
that's nice to hear thanks :)
It is some really cool sounds. Its just still a fast presentation, hard to follow what all you are doing.