The Cast Takes Sides In This Carl & Lindsay Conflict | Summer House After Show S8 E13 Pt. 1 | Bravo

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  • @bravo
    @bravo  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Watch Part 2 of the Summer House Season 8 Episode 13 After Show: th-cam.com/video/KKTjGyeK1Ug/w-d-xo.html

  • @stmart4097
    @stmart4097 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +181

    I am sooo tired of carl playing victim...grow up man... kyle needs to get help for his anger issues..he does this every season...he can dish it out but can never take it..he explodes and then pulls the water works... I hope the women team up at the reunion and go against the boys.. we all need friends like gabbi,paige and ciara..those are girls girls..

    • @rlast4698
      @rlast4698 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ❤ totally agree

  • @danielrivera6208
    @danielrivera6208 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    jesse portrayed whole season as a player when its actually west

    • @okand5138
      @okand5138 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      They’re the same. Birds of a feather.

    • @Justice4ALL.120
      @Justice4ALL.120 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I do not find either of them attractive.
      It is like the sitcoms... beautiful women and unattractive men.

    • @laurenm9630
      @laurenm9630 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@okand5138idk even Jesse was giving him some “wtf” looks here.

    • @maggiesamson337
      @maggiesamson337 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Both of them are. I saw through West. Jesse has more respect because he is out in the open.

    • @danielrivera6208
      @danielrivera6208 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@maggiesamson337 but hes the trash bag”

  • @jenhan1501
    @jenhan1501 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

    Lindsay has no space to be soft when Carl is a pile of mush. Someone has to be the realistic one in the relationship. Bars turn profits mainly on alcohol so a sober bar is a stupid idea.

    • @shiddity
      @shiddity 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      A sober bar is literally the dumbest idea ever

    • @rlast4698
      @rlast4698 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@shidditylike a fashion show without any fashion. How dreadful

    • @marylynezenyi9692
      @marylynezenyi9692 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@rlast4698 😂😂😂😂. IYKYK!

  • @zamamkhize132
    @zamamkhize132 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    Paige is such a girls girl. She is a loyal ride or die in all the best ways.

    • @Tortula2
      @Tortula2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Wish Lala and Scheana could be this type of friend

    • @louloumagrath8694
      @louloumagrath8694 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Paige and Katie know how to be a loyal friend

    • @classyconversationswithrho344
      @classyconversationswithrho344 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, for her girlfriends. Not her boyfriend.

  • @NhiNguyen-oc6wm
    @NhiNguyen-oc6wm 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +215

    Carl is a very poor communicator. Even worse than Lindsay. He talks in circles. It’s infuriating

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It’s called narcissistic world salad. They thrive on the spirit of confusion.

    • @JuliaB1955
      @JuliaB1955 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@prima-madalina Word salad, for sure. The sign of a healthy mind is the ability to communicate. In decades of editing, I can see who is or is not stable and clear-headed based solely on the clarity and cogency of their writing.

    • @Perfect10wChocolateskin
      @Perfect10wChocolateskin 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      facts spit it out .. say it with your chest . don’t try to be in control of my feelings or reaction to everyday life … let it out and we get through this .. not when you sugar coat or lie about it then change ya mind & apologize 2 weeks later ..🙄🤦🏽‍♀️ creating “theoretical or hypothetical situations for real life .. smh i can’t think like that lol Lindsey too straight forward & want a resolution

    • @JuliaB1955
      @JuliaB1955 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Perfect10wChocolateskin YES!

    • @Confidentk9sCa
      @Confidentk9sCa 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He doesn’t talk in circles. He just doesn’t know how to articulate in a way that makes things utterly clear for Lindsay. She’s a realist and requires communication in great detail. The type that reads all the instructions thoroughly and following to a tea before putting anything together or ever putting those instructions away. Problem is she’s not a good listener when not understanding someone nor does she realize she’s not understanding someone because she’s the type that needs more than great detail to understand what she hasn’t learned or experienced herself. This adds a lot of problems to all she requires in a relationship with someone so different than her. When someone regularly says the negative things on their mind, that’s exactly the energy they emit and life they ultimately live, even if they have fun and happy moments, it’s always big highs and big lows…chaotic, especially around people who don’t like this.
      Carl does require a gentle partner who gives a lot of understanding, and affirmations with love, affection and support that’s more loving instead of a realist type. Realists can be very negative because they naturally worry about the negative all the time (even without thought/just instinct) trying to prevent the bad from happening yet that same frame of negative mind/worry, often brings on the bad. They don’t see a lot of the good in the little things. They want and expect big highs, great things, the best, etc. which is actually a loss of reality; the opposite of reality for a realist happens a lot. Then they blow things out of proportion and emit a lot of negative energy. Carl’s been through a lot and is naturally deep down very sensitive so seeing the good in the little things is vital for someone like him.
      I have respect for both people here. However, Carl and Lindsay are not a good match, that’s pretty clear. But I also think Carl is living in a city with many realists that like to always say what’s on their mind. That’s a lot of constant blows to someone like Carl. Sadly, I don’t think NYC is a good fit for him either. It’s an awesome city but not for Carl to live.

  • @sarahlynch3
    @sarahlynch3 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +292

    Carl and kyle should just date each other they are a perfect fit

    • @julezett
      @julezett 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Not possible: Carl doesn't have the right work ethic and drive for Kyle 🫠

    • @alicemanno248
      @alicemanno248 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Carl & Kyle are Tom Sandoval & Tom Swartz

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@alicemanno248 exactly!!!

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@julezett how can Kyle hate on Amanda’s work ethic but want to work with Carl?? He protects and believes in Carl more than his own wife. We shouldn’t take any of Kyle’s complaints about Amanda seriously if he thinks an addict who used to show up to client events high and drunk is an asset. It’s always been obvious to me Kyle just wants cast members connected to lover boy for branding purposes- i fully believe he doesn’t value them at all as employees and just uses them as free mascots/influencers.

    • @JuliaB1955
      @JuliaB1955 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@julezett Truth!

  • @valentino4411
    @valentino4411 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +246

    Carl knows that ppl have polarizing views of Lindsay so he pushes the narrative that she's always the villain but he has a dark side too.

    • @progressbaby1
      @progressbaby1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Totally agree !!!!!!

    • @stmart4097
      @stmart4097 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I cldnt agree more..carl is such a gas lighter and manipulator..I am def team hubbs..carl has a lot of growing up to do and stop playing victim

    • @iknewyouweremypet
      @iknewyouweremypet 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That part

    • @jent1437
      @jent1437 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yess 1000%

    • @sarahanne815
      @sarahanne815 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Exactly. If you binge watch all the seasons through back to back it’s very apparent. The audience just has the gift of a year between seasons to forget. But the evidence is there. Carl is no angel either

  • @chloearseno
    @chloearseno 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

    Ohhh West….I had so much hope but it seems like your stuck in neverland. It’s ok to live that way in a sense but your coming to an age where you need to make decisions. If you’re not ready for a relationship, your best bet is transparency and honesty.

    • @JB-1007
      @JB-1007 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      West literally looks like Robin Williams playing adult Peter Pan in the movie Hook

  • @Andre2012ish
    @Andre2012ish 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

    Omg the men in this show make me feel so happy I’m single… They legit are all toddlers

    • @shiddity
      @shiddity 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At least toddlers eventually grow up...these douche bags are the worst!

  • @tinajohnson5787
    @tinajohnson5787 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +210

    I totally agree with Paige. Look at Ciara!! What random chick are you going to find who is more beautiful than this queen??? Makes no logical sense besides he's scared of the "g" word.

    • @kyseul
      @kyseul 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      I agree with Paige too! Also from what West has said he could basically find "the one" and he'd still want to be hooking up with random people regardless. West will be 30 this year but he sounds like a college kid who thinks that by avoiding calling someone his girlfriend he'll never have to take any responsibility. At a certain point it's time to be an adult.

    • @sunflower8035
      @sunflower8035 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Agreed! Ciara is everything & could have anyone! 👸🏿

    • @JS-hn5ld
      @JS-hn5ld 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      She has zero personality, is immature and rude, and her room is a mess, she’s mean and boring and her boobs are fake. Looks fade-her personality lives forever.

    • @alla.e
      @alla.e 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      So happy she stuck to her grounds in not jumping into bed with him! He clearly didn’t deserve it!

    • @cali-tm1ec
      @cali-tm1ec 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I'm a straight female and I'd date Ciera 😍

  • @mariat6171
    @mariat6171 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +251

    Carl needs a woman who will read a script of approved speaking points.

    • @JuliaB1955
      @JuliaB1955 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Good one!

    • @rlast4698
      @rlast4698 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol totally agree

  • @Justice4ALL.120
    @Justice4ALL.120 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Kyle being a DJ is because he needs to be the center of attention. It also gives him an excuse to spend even more time in bars. Amanda deserves so much better.
    I do not understand why anyone would find West attractive. Ciara is drop-dead GORGEOUS; West was lucky she was even interested in him.

  • @10113sarah
    @10113sarah 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +157

    1) Carl is actually completely wrong - Lindsay has a terrible tone / always has. But he is wrong and he’s extremely aware of how to manipulate the public. Many of us see through it.
    2) Lindsay is calling out valid points - and Kyle is interesting because he would be / has been so upset dealing with Carl as an employee
    Carl is so hardcore manipulative - and that’s a lot to say when Lindsay isn’t my type of chick

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Carl stopped using illicit substances but he still has the manipulative gaslighting behaviors of an addict.

    • @iloveeverything5
      @iloveeverything5 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yes, SO manipulative. It actually makes me feel sick.

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@iloveeverything5 the way he smirks when she gets upset makes my skin crawl

  • @lisawatkins8801
    @lisawatkins8801 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +140

    I'm no longer on either side of Carl and Lindsay. It's obvious that they just never belonged together. Both of them have behaved atrociously and there is no real love there. It's the best thing for both of them that Carl finally called the wedding off.

    • @cicelywarrington363
      @cicelywarrington363 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Exactly! I’m on no one’s side. They were delusional thinking they could make the best friends turned lovers into a marriage. They don’t even like each other!

    • @sogiki
      @sogiki 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Eh. Lindsay is actually delusional and I can’t believe how bad she looks barking on the the after show and still insisting she’s right.

    • @joannefeeney5792
      @joannefeeney5792 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Exactly, this is why Danielle voiced her concern of moving too fast towards Marriage...of course you want to move to marriage during the "honeymoon phase" ....how you communicate thru real conflict...that is where you can tell if it is is true love

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@sogiki I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this. I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time.

    • @jeanmcginnis9804
      @jeanmcginnis9804 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠​⁠@@natalysentifconson-zj2gx Just when I was beginning to give up hope,a few people see through Lindsay!😆 She’s everything you said especially manipulative and talk about having to walk on eggshells around her…whew! She ruined several relationships with men and her “ timeline chart” wasn’t working as planned so she grabbed Carl up so she could stay on track for marriage and children. Boy,did Carl dodge a bullet with this one!

  • @conceicao4468
    @conceicao4468 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    He was gaslighting her non stop. No matter what she says it would been received as an attack

    • @daniellemcintyre5445
      @daniellemcintyre5445 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Are you even watching the same show?

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@daniellemcintyre5445 yes… he’s smug and smirking anytime she asks valid questions. He expects her to marry him and merge finances without knowing where/how he makes money?? Whose going to fund this imaginary bar? How could he possibly enter one of the most high-stress industries that exists when he’s this indecisive and stunted?! Imagine a bad communicator like Carl managing a bar and having staff 🥴

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@daniellemcintyre5445 I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this. I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time.

  • @RealOne-gg8hn
    @RealOne-gg8hn 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    The smarter the woman the harder it is to find the right partner

  • @Tquin55
    @Tquin55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    Why are people even taking sides. I don’t think I’ve ever seen two people more NOT suited for each other. They both knew at some level it was wrong and they both were making shitty choices. At least Carl had the guts to pull the plug because once married it’s much harder to split.

    • @jeanmcginnis9804
      @jeanmcginnis9804 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep,Lindsay wasn’t in love with Carl,she was in love with fulfilling her timeline for marriage and children.

    • @ArcticAirUltraPro
      @ArcticAirUltraPro 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah as soon as he went with her not even a year into sobriety I knew it was a lost cause

  • @exithiside
    @exithiside 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +198

    When I heard about them splitting, I didn’t think there would be any way I could dislike Carl.
    He has been looking worse and worse every after show.
    I’m actually team Lindsay now

    • @LittleMissStamper
      @LittleMissStamper 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      That's unfortunate for you lol

    • @AidayIan
      @AidayIan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I totally agree her ways distroy her message, but it´s obvious he is a crying baby.

    • @iknewyouweremypet
      @iknewyouweremypet 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      10000%

    • @spring_bean8183
      @spring_bean8183 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      1000% agree. I never thought there would come a day where I would be team Lindsay... but Carl is really showing his true colours.

    • @iknewyouweremypet
      @iknewyouweremypet 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@spring_bean8183 same

  • @deboraho7022
    @deboraho7022 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    I f**ing love this season of summer house. Talk about adulting 101!!👏🏾

  • @shannonmillikin463
    @shannonmillikin463 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    Carl wants a Mom, he wants someone who will hold his hand as he flies by the seat of his pants. Amanda agreeing, well how’s that working for you Amanda?!

    • @maggiesamson337
      @maggiesamson337 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      She literally knows from experience. Except she is married and values the concept of marriage. Amanda will eventually get tired and choose herself.

  • @jazmine6971
    @jazmine6971 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    All of the guys are so immature. Jesse might be the most mature guy. Sad.

    • @crystalobaseki
      @crystalobaseki 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      💯

    • @elizabethdepeter6735
      @elizabethdepeter6735 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Jesse has faced real life challenges, which makes him mature and able to see the big picture

    • @summoner1451
      @summoner1451 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's only the guy that are immature? lmao. Every single PERSON on this show is immature.

  • @princess_maya_
    @princess_maya_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +154

    Also, Ciara is is absolutely stunning. She can do SO much better than Wes lol

    • @princessfionafromshrek
      @princessfionafromshrek 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      then she's smart, hilarious, skilled. West was punchinggg

    • @mikahkadence-wilson9401
      @mikahkadence-wilson9401 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      LMAO, these are the kind of women that end up single forever and then look up in their 40s and say why can’t I find anybody but they forgotten that they picked apart every little thing in their 30s and 20s and didn’t focus on the big things to have something established by now. No man or woman is going to be perfect and check all of your boxes , You simply decide what things you can work within what things you can’t. Yes, kyle is a dreamer however, Kyle is the one on record for having a dream and making it come true… I think it’s worth listening to his opinion about what he wants to do next. We’re gonna have a repeat oh, and Craig said he wanted to quit law and just see…. Everybody who laughed then can’t get an invite now.

    • @princessfionafromshrek
      @princessfionafromshrek 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mikahkadence-wilson9401 wow 🤣

    • @jaye5490
      @jaye5490 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mikahkadence-wilson9401 nicely said!

    • @M2161
      @M2161 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Thisisntkikihe makes several valid points regarding waiting around for the “perfect one”

  • @Labia340
    @Labia340 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    Carl doesn’t honor her trauma around abandonment.

    • @Tquin55
      @Tquin55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      I don’t think either of them honor each other. Carl recently lost his brother to suicide and is in early recovery and she says she won’t be nice or soft until he gets a job? Both need to accept this relationship is not it.

    • @suzannequinlan1129
      @suzannequinlan1129 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂🤣

  • @ahe_haha
    @ahe_haha 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Bruh someone teach these men ANYTHING because this is embarrassing.

  • @TheAxphyxiating
    @TheAxphyxiating 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Lindsay is difficult for sure but Carl is so coached and rehearsed it’s difficult to know what’s real with him. He needs everyone to be on his side but still be seen as the ‘Nice guy’ and he gets frustrated when he’s not getting what he wants. Boring.

    • @drkn1559
      @drkn1559 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hit 🎯

    • @maggiesamson337
      @maggiesamson337 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He’s an addict and they tend to be liars.

  • @chanellbotshekan
    @chanellbotshekan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    To me, this is the moment where Lindsay should've woken up. I think Carl already knew this wasn't working and they weren't compatible. But Lindsay has all this energy with her girlfriends about how Carl wants someone that's not her, but still is confused by him wanting to breakup. YALL WANT DIFFERENT THINGS OUT OF PARTNERSHIP. YALL ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. To me, after this, there's no way she was blindsided by this break up. No F'n Way. I think she was just mad she wasn't the one to pull the trigger.

    • @Tquin55
      @Tquin55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      💯

    • @cali-tm1ec
      @cali-tm1ec 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      boom there it is!

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree with you 100%! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this. I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time.

    • @jeanmcginnis9804
      @jeanmcginnis9804 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@natalysentifconson-zj2gx🎯

  • @nataliebell5926
    @nataliebell5926 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Carl's revolting so glad they didn't get married

  • @AudieMama22
    @AudieMama22 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Did Carlito get new veneers? He’s speaking with a lisp 👅

  • @jennifer6833
    @jennifer6833 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Wes is telling Ciara he’s not ready for a relationship. She needs to move on from him.
    Lindsay and Carl are both insufferable together. They don’t listen to hear each other. Communication is key.

  • @mikeyteladoo5230
    @mikeyteladoo5230 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I love how the narrative before season started that everyone was on Carl side and he even said "you'll understand why i broke up with her" and it's like bruh this is proof you have terrible communication skills

    • @jeanmcginnis9804
      @jeanmcginnis9804 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh,I get why he broke up with her. Who wants to walk on eggshells 24/7…Carl dodged a bullet!

  • @_b_james_m_
    @_b_james_m_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Why is Gabby going so hard in the paint on Carl, the hell is she doing?
    And wasn’t she unemployed living off of her parents as of last season?

  • @CS-wt7tp
    @CS-wt7tp 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Carl & Kyle should get married to each other. These 2 are the biggest selfish man babies EVER!!!!

  • @iloveyouuuu135
    @iloveyouuuu135 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Carl needs to grow the fuck uppppp. You are an ADULT, my friend.

  • @ButWait40108
    @ButWait40108 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +340

    On Lindsey's side on this.😮

    • @jessicajohnson4019
      @jessicajohnson4019 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      Me too. Been team Carl but honestly for her to be softer she needs a soft place to land. Boom!

    • @keirybreedy8791
      @keirybreedy8791 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      No sides necessary they wrong for each other it needed to end.

    • @rree4551
      @rree4551 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Carl is the BIGGEST WIMP

    • @emilyp5176
      @emilyp5176 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Carl is so fragile….and Kyle 🤦🏻‍♀️

    • @exithiside
      @exithiside 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Carl and Kyle are both being so fucking selfish.
      Carl is just being more passive aggressive about it, while Kyle is legit just aggressive.
      Neither of these men are ready for kids.

  • @TamGotDaJuice07
    @TamGotDaJuice07 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    4:42 Gabby is 100% right (not even just with Lindsay & Carl) but women do tend to soften up and submit when we have a man that we can trust to lead us and lead the relationship…

  • @Jamiechanrunsfar
    @Jamiechanrunsfar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The dudes on this show are embarrassing.

  • @katiesutton827
    @katiesutton827 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Kyle is EVERYTHING he accuses Lindsey of being.

  • @madrina312
    @madrina312 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

    Ciara deserves better

    • @JS-hn5ld
      @JS-hn5ld 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Does she tho? She has nothing to offer, besides being attractive.

  • @654Ally
    @654Ally 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Carl has an answer for everything but he is never the problem. If all the things he is saying are his passion, why has he not done it? He has no drive to do anything. He could have said: you know what Lindsay , I will show you that my plans will work.

    • @Thedaisyeffect
      @Thedaisyeffect 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And no money. Lindsey is valid in asking these questions. Finances is one of the biggest causes of divorces these days. There has to be something

    • @Free420Love
      @Free420Love 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Thedaisyeffecty’all gotta stop with that narrative. He’s making money in the exact same way as Lindsey.😂 $70,000 on brand deals alone + the significant show salary & the other side deals he has is FAR from not making any money.
      She just wants what even she doesn’t have, which is a legitimate, stable, consistent job, not just income from deals that isn’t ever certain or guaranteed, because she didn’t want to have to work after they got married, she wanted to immediately get pregnant & stay at home (& only mentioned this a few months before the wedding).
      They are BOTH responsible for the end of the relationship (which they never should have been in in the first place), and there’s a lot to criticize about how both are behaving…but this ridiculous, hypocritical narrative she’s trying to push about Carl not making money, when he absolutely does, and makes it the exact same way she does Deals + Show, is just foolish to keep entertaining.

    • @jeanmcginnis9804
      @jeanmcginnis9804 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Free420Love🎯👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @tinapoe3115
    @tinapoe3115 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    My goodness Carl what is wrong with him!? Petulant dude takes off without her bag

  • @rree4551
    @rree4551 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    Carl is the BIGGEST WIMP

  • @lizdocabo
    @lizdocabo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    Carl get over it! A “sober bar” is like the crappiest idea i’ve ever heard!

    • @Jaycool-uc1dd
      @Jaycool-uc1dd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      😂😂

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right… that’s just a restaurant without a liquor license. He’s an idiot

    • @kayleethompson5244
      @kayleethompson5244 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Cocktails, non alcoholic beer, & sober centered things are getting a lot more popular. The idea could be expanded on.. but she just immediately shut it out. I work at a place that's been open and popular for 20 years, this season, they added a mocktails section to the menu, because it's lucrative..

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kayleethompson5244 not in nyc!! you need liquor to compete and make profits in the bar/restaurant scene in NYC. Lindsey's PR firm specialized in NY restaurants/bars and had to close down because so many of her clients went out of business during covid. he should take her advice.

    • @irenetsomidis2167
      @irenetsomidis2167 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kayleethompson5244Bethany Frankel became a millionaire from non alcaholic drinks!

  • @lizdocabo
    @lizdocabo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

    Amanda is defending Carl because Kyle is just like him,,,
    Manipulative and emotionally abusive

    • @rree4551
      @rree4551 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      OMG YES!

    • @jennifer6833
      @jennifer6833 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Plus he works for them.

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kyle is a great guy and so funny and hardworking. Kyle is the reason I started watching the show! Kyle needs to sort out the things that connect him with Amanda. Kyle needs to divorce her! I'm so tired of her. She's so selfish and doesn't appreciate Kyle. She talks to him disparagingly all the time, even in front of other people in the room. She doesn't love him!

    • @NarcissisticEmpath
      @NarcissisticEmpath 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lindsay is the worst out of all of them. They were all right about her at last year's reunion. She is a huge gaslighter and when Carl does not take the bait, he gets called a narcissist. Everyone, has narcissistic traits. Some high some low. That is where I place Carl just like them all. But Lindsay is a full blown narcissist. It's. Ore on display now that she got on that ozempic diet and started wearing tighter and less clothing. Men want soft women. She acts like a man and that is a turn off. Carl needs to be with someone who doesn't drink. PERIOD

    • @theresaterry164
      @theresaterry164 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think Carl has been a better friend to Amanda, way more than Lindsay. It stands to reason she would feel more for Carl.

  • @sydneylockett8129
    @sydneylockett8129 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I honestly think they are both missing each other with communication. I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault. These two are not compatible and it shows in their communication over and over. They both are not taking the time to listening to each other and understand one another. Marriage is honestly all about that. If you can’t do that in general than you shouldn’t get married.

    • @jeanmcginnis9804
      @jeanmcginnis9804 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lindsay needs a man that won’t put up with her controlling,manipulative ways.Her eggs are about to be hard boiled and the clock’s ticking!🤣

  • @jenifersantinole
    @jenifersantinole 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    So a non alcoholic sports bar is a terrible idea. Carl wanted Lindsey to like to him? 😂🥴

    • @keirybreedy8791
      @keirybreedy8791 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It isn't there popping up all over the place

    • @jenifersantinole
      @jenifersantinole 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@keirybreedy8791 bars make 75% off of booze if they are opening they will close soon lol. Horrible idea that’s insane

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@keirybreedy8791can you provide example of a successful one? I’m genuinely curious. And whose money would Carl be using? He could literally bankrupt his wife if it went south

    • @10113sarah
      @10113sarah 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Her tone sucks but she’s not asking crazy questions

    • @kweenz600
      @kweenz600 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@keirybreedy8791maybe in Salt Lake City, not in NYC

  • @rayshawnwilliams8888
    @rayshawnwilliams8888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    Gabby’s storyline is validating Lindsay 🤦🏾‍♀️

    • @Tquin55
      @Tquin55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Wonder if she’s getting paid at this point! 😂

    • @tikigyrl79
      @tikigyrl79 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yessss...so true!😆Also..im really hating Gabby's jeans that are folded up and way tooo big...is that a look? Is that really a thing?

    • @sunflower8035
      @sunflower8035 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I love Gabby!

    • @joshknutson16
      @joshknutson16 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      🥱🥱🥱

    • @Benegesserite
      @Benegesserite 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I wonder why gabby is around. Nothing compelling/funny/interesting. Maybe replace her with someone else ?

  • @marisoljandres4398
    @marisoljandres4398 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Carl throwing in that jab about Lindsay setting up Kyle all those summer ago’s is so manipulative.

  • @CS-wt7tp
    @CS-wt7tp 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Ciara is freaking beautiful, smart & good person & wes thinks he can do better 😂😂😂
    News flash wes you will NEVER find someone on her level EVER again

    • @theresaterry164
      @theresaterry164 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes! This! A thousand times!

  • @Missmam_micdrop
    @Missmam_micdrop 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    All these people need therapy or need to get their money back cause none of them know how to communicate and are all just loud and wrong

  • @lipkin108
    @lipkin108 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I was on team Lindsay. I’m now on team nobody. Both refused to listen

  • @sabrinapoirier2963
    @sabrinapoirier2963 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Gabby and Lindsay have no idea how to be in a successful relationship and they feed each other in such a toxic way. And I like them both, but your partner’s needs need to matter too.

  • @lizdocabo
    @lizdocabo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    OMG.. these guys.. oh God.. please grow up

  • @tonietaylorshort9582
    @tonietaylorshort9582 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Gabby is beautiful

    • @Moody-mR4
      @Moody-mR4 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      She’s also very interesting. She better have a bigger storyline next season.

    • @g.t.7550
      @g.t.7550 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I agree with both statements. She’s being placed as Lindsey’s support person like Danielle was. She’s not a supporting personality!

    • @traumaqueeen
      @traumaqueeen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I find her WAY more interesting than Ciara. Ciara and Paige and giving Valley Girl vibes and Gabby is giving NYC fashion girl - I need more of this!

    • @Moody-mR4
      @Moody-mR4 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@traumaqueeen 100% more interesting than Ciara/Paige, they’ve just been a part of the cast longer but Gabby is everythingggggg

    • @katierayborn8449
      @katierayborn8449 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@traumaqueeenCiara literally is a NYC fashion girl 😂😂

  • @Ennui83
    @Ennui83 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Carl is a lot of work (and honestly not worth the effort that he requires).
    West seems likeable, floral pants and all. However Jesse (of all people) questioning how many women would have called West their boyfriend - questioning West's approach to and ideas about relationships - is why this show is a giant no.

  • @sallyhr
    @sallyhr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank god Ciara didn’t sleep with him. West was just another goofy Austin.

  • @_soulmatters
    @_soulmatters 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Carl is so gross.

  • @cyndiadawsonhammonds93
    @cyndiadawsonhammonds93 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Anybody that's been watching Lindsay and Carl knew this marriage was never going to happen. Lindsay would marry anyone just to say she got married. And Carl?

  • @dallasjamison5026
    @dallasjamison5026 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Carl and Lindsay's "engagement" always felt painfully performative. Now that it's over, time for a cast shake-up. They can leave along with long ignored Gabby. On the upside, West and Jesse are great additions and their friendship has been heart-warming.

  • @katyhartTV
    @katyhartTV 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    How are Kyle and Carl more immature and emotional now at 40 than they were Season 1? Kyle chooses a chill, creative girl and then suddenly wants her to be passionate and grinding everyday like him. Carl chooses a strong, assertive girl and then wants her to be a soft flower who doesn’t ask questions. I swear these Bravo cameras are like time machines for men incapable of growing up!

  • @ginakristy31
    @ginakristy31 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Paige is the epitome of a girl's best friend!! Everyone deserves to have a friend like her on his/her side!!! LOVE her

  • @Editlovehandle
    @Editlovehandle 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    He pays half her rent. End of story

    • @Tquin55
      @Tquin55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Even when not living there.

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@Tquin55 becuase he's an idiot. he renewed a lease with both of their names on it and then broke up with her like a month later.. he could have just communicated better and saved them both the money.

    • @Tquin55
      @Tquin55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@prima-madalina. Or he was still hopeful when they signed the lease. So easy to sit behind your keyboard and make judgements when you see 2% of these peoples lives.

  • @deek.704
    @deek.704 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I agree on the non booze bar but come on she’s so hatful

  • @g.t.7550
    @g.t.7550 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Karl needs to save his bravo checks bc he does NOT have a JOB! No expensive soccer vip tickets.
    I haven’t always been a fan of Lindsey or Karl but Lindsey has made nothing but sense in babysitting Karl in his recovery and pursuit of adulthood. She is telling him hard truths and asking him the direct questions he doesn’t ask himself. A sober bar? Do you mean Chili’s without margaritas or Dave and Buster with no beer? Who is going? Tweens…I’m exhausted for her.

  • @Sharni_100
    @Sharni_100 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    For Amanda to say Lindsay needs to be softer and kinder is laughable. This girl shits on her husband any chance she gets. 😭😂

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly! Amanda constantly speaks disparagingly to Kyle in front of other people and behind his back. She should be ashamed. And she wonders why he is in no hurry to buy a house in the suburbs? Show more respect for your husband. Amanda doesn't help Kyle with the business, even though she knows they have debts. And at the most difficult time, when Kyle asks Amanda for help and to be more involved in «Loverboy», she tells him that she wants to do something for herself (swimwear). Amanda is so SELFISH. Does Amanda realize that she lives on the money that Kyle earns by running "Loverboy" that needs help getting rid of debts? Amanda DIDN'T WANT TO SIGN A PRE-NUP before the wedding. She said: «I WON'T SIGN A PRE-NUP because if Kyle divorces me, I'LL GET HALF OF HIS COMPANY ALONG WITH THE MONEY». Those who haven't seen it can go and watch it in the sixth season of Summer house. Amanda MARRIED KYLE NOT FOR LOVE, BUT FOR MONEY! If "Loverboy" goes bankrupt, Amanda will go bankrupt too. With what money does Amanda want to start her own business selling fashionable swimwear? They both live on the profits from "Loverboy". If "Loverboy" goes broke, her dream of creating swimwear collections will not come true! Interestingly, Amanda doesn't want to work for "Loverboy", but wants to get half of the company along with the money if she and Kyle get divorced. It turns out that Amanda IS WAITING FOR KYLE TO GET RICH BY HIS OWN EFFORTS and "Loverboy" to begin to prosper, in order to divorce Kyle at that very moment. Amanda wants to get half of "Loverboy" along with the money WITHOUT INVESTING HER OWN EFFORTS in the prosperity of "Loverboy". SIGN A PRE-NUP AMANDA and then do whatever you want. I can see how treacherous you are Amanda. Amanda behaves as if Kyle is obliged to provide her with everything she wants. In my opinion, she doesn't love him and married him only for money.

  • @Happy.mamaaa
    @Happy.mamaaa 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You need to treat and speak to a man the way you expect him to treat and speak to you. Period

  • @user-df4wr7qp2d
    @user-df4wr7qp2d 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    the tea is wests wife is going to be a white blonde woman lmao lets all move on now. just seeing how he spoke about the bachelor women following him.

  • @Jessica-vp3ho
    @Jessica-vp3ho 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Carl, how, after 8 years, are you just noticing your shorts are too short and pants too tight?!?!?! Who agrees that he must have made fun of Kyle's orange shorts and them being so short? lol I bet he didn't even know they were Ciaras.

  • @BNVS26
    @BNVS26 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ciara saying she dates intentionally after she wasted time getting played by Austen is laughable.

    • @kazania7653
      @kazania7653 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      she clearly has been saying the whole season she's learnt from that situation

  • @lisaspence5672
    @lisaspence5672 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Regardless of who's "side you're on" I think it's obvious that Carl did the right thing!! She should stop bi**hing about him and be thankful he had the guts to break it off! They both want each other to completely change and it's obvious Carl is terrified of Lindsay so whatever, thank goodness he didn't go through with it just to divorce a month later. I kinda feel like she was delulu to even think they should have gone through with it

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      he's not scared of her, it's his fake nice guy act. watch the older seasons, he used to scream in her face. they're both unhinged and his mask is coming off.

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lisa Spence I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this. I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time.

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@natalysentifconson-zj2gx Carl has been a manipulative rage-aholic and addict since season 1. He’s no prize either 🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @Jessica-vp3ho
    @Jessica-vp3ho 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    NOBODY said anything about PAIGE doing the same thing to CRAIG!!! She called his ideas stupid and said she didn't wanna be with a broke man.

    • @Easy2Lov3
      @Easy2Lov3 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Facts!

  • @robbainbridge1297
    @robbainbridge1297 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    West is very immature

  • @shannonholland3185
    @shannonholland3185 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Team lindsay and paige and ciara

  • @suzannequinlan1129
    @suzannequinlan1129 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This happens to EVERY relationship Lindsey has EVER HAD 😂

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.

  • @EPHTR8032
    @EPHTR8032 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Y’all, I know it’s not funny, but Carl just leaving and being like “f**k it” when Lindsay told him she needed to put her stuff in the car is hilariously petty 😂😂😂 Cause why would he do that?!

    • @dorothy2220
      @dorothy2220 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂..poor Carl

  • @valentino4411
    @valentino4411 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Carl lost brother to drugs. Lindsay is afraid that his involvement in nightlife/bars, nonalcoholic drinks, 420, etc could cause him to relapse.

  • @lipkin108
    @lipkin108 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Lindsay and Carl both gaslighted each other and it was obvious they hate each other

    • @10113sarah
      @10113sarah 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Eh Lindsay stayed the same. Carl is BS

  • @Brittneyylovee
    @Brittneyylovee 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I agree with rounding! 30 and wants to be in situationships only?

  • @josealejandro7475
    @josealejandro7475 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Carl is the biggest manchild ever. All he ever says are the words soft and kind. Dude you’re freaking pushing 40!?!? Stop with the crybaby shit

  • @keristockton9655
    @keristockton9655 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    At some point, you have to think... "I'm like 40. I've had SEVERAL relationship that were ALL toxic l, filled with screaming matches and ridiculous fights....maybe it's not everyone else." She's constantly demanding these men be perfect or she flips out and is mean AF but they should give her all the grace and compassion in the world...and make her sandwiches.

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.

    • @keristockton9655
      @keristockton9655 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@natalysentifconson-zj2gx YASS! She does scare them. I don't think in the decade we've been watching she's ever said "I was wrong", "I fugged up", "I probably shouldve done ______ different." and ALL "I'm a victim. He's the worst person ever who hurt me. My feelings, my feelings, my feelings, my wants, my needs." All it ever is. No growth there.

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@keristockton9655 I agree with you 100%. Well said!

  • @amber-jade1938
    @amber-jade1938 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I completly agree with everything Gabby said regarding Lindsay/Carl. Ive never been on either side rock solid. I have fluctuated my opinion alot over the years regarding both of them (L + C). But after hearing Gabbys perspective. Ive gotta say I really feel like I may actually be a lindsay supporter here.

  • @Janet-Martin
    @Janet-Martin 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Carl is not sober, he says last season that he's California Sober but I think he doing more than smoking weed all day because look at him with his speech and his eyes tell it all !! Carl is far from being a man because he is 40+ years old and still looking for a job that makes him happy and that he enjoys ??? Every man I know at 40+ has their retirement plan completely planned out and isn't taking a year off work to find himself, he says he wants a job that makes him happy and that he enjoys ?? OMG Carl used TF out of Lindsay for an entire year, never planned on marrying her, and lived his best life because of Lindsay. I see people saying well he gets paid $250,000 from the show but that isn't nothing living in NYC !!! Lindsay has her quirks but come TF on Carl is lazy, used the excuse of his brother which is sad, and even cry's to his mommy and step daddy that he is still working on himself but he ISN'T because he's not SOBER !!!

    • @niominati
      @niominati 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think hes on pills

    • @Janet-Martin
      @Janet-Martin 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@niominati Carl is doing more than smoking weed, and I think we can all see that !!

  • @saraeemmm
    @saraeemmm 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why does west constantly look like he’s about to burp? Honestly… everyone goes on about how amazing he is but I just don’t see it, also he’s not attractive THERE I SAID IT. I’m sorry, he should be so fuckin lucky to bag a girl as hot as Ciara (she’s a frickin model)

  • @deek.704
    @deek.704 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Ohhh Lyndsey has a big mouth on her side 🙄bc she’s loud she thinks everyone has to listen to her

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this. I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time.

  • @tavaresleora4286
    @tavaresleora4286 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    THIS WAS A TERRIBLE RELATIONSHIP FROM DAY ONE AND EVERYONE TRIED TOO TELL THEM, ESPECIALLY DANIELLE!

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this. I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time.

  • @LittleMissStamper
    @LittleMissStamper 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Lindsey's *SINGLE* mouthy friend is probably a decent chunk of why she's NOT getting married now. 🙄 Get better friends instead of just surrounding yourself with people who only tell you what you want to hear 🤨

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Lindsey’s personality is strong enough to handle herself… a new friend didn’t change her entire relationship

    • @nahhhbruhhh
      @nahhhbruhhh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Lindsay is the mouthiest one there 😭😭 please

    • @LittleMissStamper
      @LittleMissStamper 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@prima-madalina It SURE AS HELL didn't help lol

    • @LittleMissStamper
      @LittleMissStamper 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@nahhhbruhhh Which is exactly why the LAST thing she needs is someone co-signing her madness...or her mouth 🙄

    • @prima-madalina
      @prima-madalina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@LittleMissStamper so you think they should’ve stayed together?!

  • @TamGotDaJuice07
    @TamGotDaJuice07 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Not to be rude or anything but is Carl on something? Or is he back drinking & is just drunk on the after shows? Every after show something seems off with him but I can’t quite put my finger on it.

    • @Janet-Martin
      @Janet-Martin 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @TamGotDaJuice07 Carl is only California Sober and remember at the reunion that he swore that he couldn't go California Sober because it would just lead to down to where he was before which was ROCK BOTTOM !! That's why if you watch back last season you'll see Lindsay ask Carl how much weed did you smoke today when he was being aggressive and argumentative at the bar and Carl said not that much but Lindsay said Carl gets super aggressive and argumentative when he's super high and Carl even apologized to Lindsay the next morning saying he knew he was in the wrong !! So Carl can get high everyday all day long but Lindsay can't drink, hell no Lindsay stopped drinking completely for 6 months to completely support Carl until Carl started smoking weed again saying he needed to take the edge off !!! I see what you're seeing and believe Carl is doing more than smoking weed all day and Carl IS NOT SOBER !!!

  • @marieneu264
    @marieneu264 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Good God, she won’t let the other girl speak!

    • @LeboMiranda
      @LeboMiranda 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who are you talking about?

  • @JenniferAgbo-ih1eh
    @JenniferAgbo-ih1eh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Theoretical jobs 🤣 Team Lindsay but idk how I got here

  • @therealhouseofpop729
    @therealhouseofpop729 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I knew Wes was going to be Austin 2.0

    • @theresaterry164
      @theresaterry164 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At least Wes is funny

  • @kfo2520
    @kfo2520 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A little cringey watching Lindsey talk over Gaby constantly, even to just repeat herself. Without even acknowledging that gaby had something to add.

  • @aylecatalina7
    @aylecatalina7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Lindsey is insufferable and there’s a reason she’s not married with children like she wanted to be by now. Carl needs to work on himself before getting into another serious relationship.

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this. I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time.

  • @louisloother301
    @louisloother301 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's laughable reading the comments defending Lindsay AND HER DISGUSTING BEHAVIOR!!!!! SHE'S A TERRIBLE PERSON AND HASN'T CHANGED SINCE SEASON 1!!!!!!

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with you! I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time. Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.

  • @ola3rd
    @ola3rd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I will keep asking over and over, in what world was Lindsay blindsided? After these episodes, it almost seems like SHE is about to call the wedding off! Andy better grill her on this at reunion because it is so confusing how these 2 could possibly think they are even 5% compatible

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ola3rd I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this. I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time.

  • @mzzthang3912
    @mzzthang3912 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Carl and Lindsay shouldnt be together and im team no one but i dont understand how everyone is team lindsay she has a hard time listening but expects things her way why ask him what does he need from u if when he tells u what he needs u tell him ur not capable of doing that

  • @dcoleman4444
    @dcoleman4444 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It felt like after Carl told Lindsey his stepfather wouldn't marry them, he shifted. He started speaking more harshly with Lindsey and acting more offended by her. He was distancing himself mentally because he had already decided on some level that he was out. And maybe if it hadn't been 9 months of him being undecided, Lindsey might have been more supportive.

    • @tiffanimorris7127
      @tiffanimorris7127 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was like a carefully constructed performance that he knew the ending to

  • @Julie.S11
    @Julie.S11 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Karl is complaining and Kyle is agreeing yet this is EXACTLY what Kyle is doing to Amanda .. not being supportive or “soft” towards what she wants to do with her life

  • @Tquin55
    @Tquin55 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Lindsey saying she’s activated. 😂. What’s new? It just a constant roller coaster.

  • @itstee649
    @itstee649 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Carl is coming across vindictive and passive aggressive imo. He acts out in passive aggressive ways. The suitcase situation and every aftershow he is feeding the narrative of Lindsay being a villain, hmmm.

  • @mxf1x138
    @mxf1x138 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm sorry, but I'm still so far Team Carl on this. Dealing with someone as manipulative and toxic as Lindsay is draining. When you start to stand up for yourself, they twist your words and the narrative, painting you as the villain. When in reality, you're just giving them a taste of their own medicine!!

    • @natalysentifconson-zj2gx
      @natalysentifconson-zj2gx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with you! I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time. Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.