You didn't note that you need to make sure that the valve hole must me on the spread rather than the cross so you can get air into the tire. Yours was right so lots of room to get the inflator in so assume it wasn't a fluke. Good to make note of this before starting. I put tape on the valve hole so I am aware of its placement. Also for a double cross you skip 2 holes between spokes pointing in the same direction. For triple cross you would have skipped three. Not sure triple cross is possible on a motorcycle wheel, but you can go up to quadruple cross for bicycles due to the length of the spokes. More crossing makes a stronger wheel.
That’s an awesome way to explain it. I used the valve hole as my starting point for reference but I may have failed to elaborate. Thank you! Really helpful way to look at it.
Nice comprehensive video on respoking a wheel. When I did my Harley Sprint wheel there were no videos to help and it took a while. Thanks Keep On! P.S. I welded up a simple balancing, truing stand using the wheels own bearings.
Great video Brian. I’m new to wheel building for motorbikes, usuall do bicycles, and I’ve watched lots of others but YOU do this very well for a novice.👍
Here I am trying to lace mine by putting each spoke through the hub and into the wheel, one at a time... didn't even occur to me that I could put all the spokes through the hub FIRST. Thanks for the video man, this is really helful.
Awesome, man! I’m trying to figure out trueing but it’s going pretty slow. Lacing it up is huge and not the easiest thing in the world at all. Congrats!
Nice video Brian, i can personally vouch that photographs dont work after trying to lace mine today off one. This video was really helpful for a reference and to jog my memory thanks
Thanks, Sean. I do believe Honda wheels are different from Yamaha wheels. I recall reading that somewhere. I could be wrong. If so, you’ll know right away! Thanks for watching. Really appreciate it.
I relaced the rear rim on a Suzuki 90 back in the 70s, by observing the pattern of the front rim. trued the rim quite well for first time, everything great. Now, 45 yrs later, I learn about inner and outer spokes. Oh well...
Here is what I am taking away from this, get a fine point sharpie, brake assembly out and rim tape removed, label either end of a spoke hole between the rim and hub as A-A, B-B, C-C etc in an inconspicuous place : )
I enjoyed your video, but I noticed that you laced your wheels differently from you picture on the wall. Your finished wheel shows your outer spokes pointing backwards. The picture shows them pointing forward. I laced mine up same as yours and then noticed in an original photo of my bike the forks facing forward also. I prefer the look of having them face backwards. My question is...is this okay? Is there a purpose to having them face forward? Thanks. -Mike in Bend, OR.
Hello, I teach motorcycle repair at a Vocational/Technical school in Brunswick, Maine. My students noticed that the spokes from the near side of the hub went into the far side of the rim!!?? At 14:41 of the video you can clearly see that the wheel is totally laced incorrectly. OOPPS. Outdoor Powersports Program class of 2022
@@KeepOnWrenching Here I am again, a year latter with my second year students and their comment is "I didn't know Hellen Keller had a you tube video on lacing wheels!!" Your wheel IS NOT CORRECTLY LACED SIR!! As a certified trained Honda Pro technician(now shop teacher), I can see that the wheel is not laced correctly. Look carefully at where the spokes ended up in the rim. This video was very helpful as to what NOT to do. Please send me the name of the motorcycle shop mentioned at 1:22 into the video that you said trued the wheel, thanks Bill Ross Outdoor Powersports Instructor - Region 10 Technical High School Brunswick, Maine
were all your inner and outers the same length? I thought mine were supposed to be but I cannot get this to work! once I get to the outer spokes they are all too long somehow! but my spoke is symmetrical just like yours so I don't see what I'm doing wrong.
I found using the filler tube hole as a good reference to start from. The spoke ends are shaped differently. That’s the key. I had the exact same issue with the ones being too long. I had to start over a few times until it all jived perfectly.
@@KeepOnWrenching nice! Yeah I just finished my wheel up and the spokes are all equally poking through the nipples so the spokes were not a perfect fit. I'm likely just going to have to grind the tips of once my wheel is trued so that it doesn't pop the inner tube. thanks for the video. it was helpful to me!
It’s not that easy, Dexter. Totally support marking areas before disassembly to assist with reassembly. But there’s a weird art to this stuff. It’s finicky. I took over 2000 images of my 70 CB350 build and those images didn’t convey the complexity and nuances in certain circumstances. That’s why I made the video. To just show how it all goes together. 100% support pictures along the way! Thanks for chiming in!
Okay Nope.... Move along, these are not the droids your looking for. My dyslexia was trigger. I'll just clean the existing ones as tedious as it is. They are in good shape, just oxidized. Disregard my comment on the Scram ride video. LoL.
You should take it to an expert to lace it. You have a mistake that only a pro can see. The holes on the rims are half on one side and half on the other side. you lace the outer spokes to the other side of the rim. this is a huge mistake. If I were you, I would desapeer this video. This is the reason why only profesoinals should load wideos like this. the problem is that others will do the same as you and this can make security problems.
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You didn't note that you need to make sure that the valve hole must me on the spread rather than the cross so you can get air into the tire. Yours was right so lots of room to get the inflator in so assume it wasn't a fluke. Good to make note of this before starting. I put tape on the valve hole so I am aware of its placement.
Also for a double cross you skip 2 holes between spokes pointing in the same direction. For triple cross you would have skipped three. Not sure triple cross is possible on a motorcycle wheel, but you can go up to quadruple cross for bicycles due to the length of the spokes. More crossing makes a stronger wheel.
That’s an awesome way to explain it. I used the valve hole as my starting point for reference but I may have failed to elaborate. Thank you! Really helpful way to look at it.
Nice comprehensive video on respoking a wheel. When I did my Harley Sprint wheel there were no videos to help and it took a while. Thanks Keep On! P.S. I welded up a simple balancing, truing stand using the wheels own bearings.
It’s kind of an intimidating process for sure.
Great video Brian. I’m new to wheel building for motorbikes, usuall do bicycles, and I’ve watched lots of others but YOU do this very well for a novice.👍
I’m a novice indeed. Thanks so much. I’m getting ready to try it again. It’s a mind bender sometimes.
Here I am trying to lace mine by putting each spoke through the hub and into the wheel, one at a time... didn't even occur to me that I could put all the spokes through the hub FIRST. Thanks for the video man, this is really helful.
Lacing wheels is an adventure. Glad you got it sorted.
You got me through another crucial step in my CL restoration, Brian. Thanks for making this vid.
Awesome, man! I’m trying to figure out trueing but it’s going pretty slow. Lacing it up is huge and not the easiest thing in the world at all. Congrats!
@@KeepOnWrenching it looks tedious but hopefully not as bad as adjusting the carb float height 🤓
I laced my CD175 wheel today and your video was very helpful. Thanks Brian.
Awesome! Those things are a puzzle. Glad you had success.
Thanks, man. Helpful. I've been dreading this job on my Honda XR75 project.
It’s doable if you stay organized! Lots of nuances.
Nice video Brian, i can personally vouch that photographs dont work after trying to lace mine today off one. This video was really helpful for a reference and to jog my memory thanks
Yeah...it’s very confusing. I’ll probably be referencing my own video if I do it again. Lol. Glad you found it helpful.
Nicely done sir. I need to do the front wheel on my '72 Yamaha XS650. Your video was very helpful.
Thanks, Sean. I do believe Honda wheels are different from Yamaha wheels. I recall reading that somewhere. I could be wrong. If so, you’ll know right away! Thanks for watching. Really appreciate it.
Excellent and entertaining video. Very informative!
Glad you enjoyed it.
I relaced the rear rim on a Suzuki 90 back in the 70s, by observing the pattern of the front rim. trued the rim quite well for first time, everything great. Now, 45 yrs later, I learn about inner and outer spokes. Oh well...
Lol. As long as it works, right!? That is impressive. I left the trueing to a professional. Glad it worked out for you. :)
Good job on the procedure, and Great audited. You get her going yet.
Yup. That one is done and back in the road.
Thank you again. I continue to need & use your videos.
That’s great to hear. Hopefully you have clear sailing on your project.
Did you true your own rims? If you did, do you have any tips or a tutorial ?
I brought them to a shop for a final true. Saved me a ton of labor hours getting them that far.
Here is what I am taking away from this, get a fine point sharpie, brake assembly out and rim tape removed, label either end of a spoke hole between the rim and hub as A-A, B-B, C-C etc in an inconspicuous place : )
Whatever works! Having a starting point definitely helps. :)
Thanks man!
You’re welcome!
I enjoyed your video, but I noticed that you laced your wheels differently from you picture on the wall. Your finished wheel shows your outer spokes pointing backwards. The picture shows them pointing forward. I laced mine up same as yours and then noticed in an original photo of my bike the forks facing forward also. I prefer the look of having them face backwards. My question is...is this okay? Is there a purpose to having them face forward? Thanks. -Mike in Bend, OR.
Never noticed. Seems to be fine. Been riding it for a couple years now. I’ll look into it.
Very useful video, Thanks Brian.
Thanks, John. I’m glad you found it useful.
Looks really nice. Where did you get your stainless spikes from? I see a lot on eBay for 18” rims but haven’t found for 19”.
Hello, I teach motorcycle repair at a Vocational/Technical school in Brunswick, Maine. My students noticed that the spokes from the near side of the hub went into the far side of the rim!!?? At 14:41 of the video you can clearly see that the wheel is totally laced incorrectly. OOPPS. Outdoor Powersports Program class of 2022
It really only goes together one way. Wheel was professionally checked and trued.
@@KeepOnWrenching Here I am again, a year latter with my second year students and their comment is "I didn't know Hellen Keller had a you tube video on lacing wheels!!" Your wheel IS NOT CORRECTLY LACED SIR!! As a certified trained Honda Pro technician(now shop teacher), I can see that the wheel is not laced correctly. Look carefully at where the spokes ended up in the rim. This video was very helpful as to what NOT to do. Please send me the name of the motorcycle shop mentioned at 1:22 into the video that you said trued the wheel, thanks Bill Ross Outdoor Powersports Instructor - Region 10 Technical High School Brunswick, Maine
Question ,for any one
- if the spokes are all loosened can you change one spoke at a time?
Good question. I suppose you could but it could be pretty tight to start. Worth a shot.
were all your inner and outers the same length? I thought mine were supposed to be but I cannot get this to work! once I get to the outer spokes they are all too long somehow! but my spoke is symmetrical just like yours so I don't see what I'm doing wrong.
I found using the filler tube hole as a good reference to start from. The spoke ends are shaped differently. That’s the key. I had the exact same issue with the ones being too long. I had to start over a few times until it all jived perfectly.
@@KeepOnWrenching nice! Yeah I just finished my wheel up and the spokes are all equally poking through the nipples so the spokes were not a perfect fit. I'm likely just going to have to grind the tips of once my wheel is trued so that it doesn't
pop the inner tube.
thanks for the video. it was helpful to me!
Hey Brian, where did you get the spoke kit for the CL's with the bigger front wheel? CMC only has them for CB's.
I think I found it on 4into1.
Dime City Cycles was the only spot I could find the spoke set for the 19” front wheel
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Came out ok.
Are spokes reusable once you completely disassemble the wheel?
I’m sure they could be replated
Fantastic
Thanks, Sooda.
Same process regardless of wheel manufacturer?
No. This is Honda specific. Honda has the double cross pattern from what I understand.
Why are all holes on the outside of the hub recessed. The inside of the hub doesn’t have the same detail?
It does not.
Does it matter which direction the wheel goes?
I saw no directional indicators on that wheel.
My front wheel is out of centre how wood I centre the front wheel
Gotta get it trued. Not the easiest thing.
why not just take a picture before disassembly???? and copy the picture
It’s not that easy, Dexter. Totally support marking areas before disassembly to assist with reassembly. But there’s a weird art to this stuff. It’s finicky. I took over 2000 images of my 70 CB350 build and those images didn’t convey the complexity and nuances in certain circumstances. That’s why I made the video. To just show how it all goes together. 100% support pictures along the way! Thanks for chiming in!
Okay Nope.... Move along, these are not the droids your looking for. My dyslexia was trigger. I'll just clean the existing ones as tedious as it is. They are in good shape, just oxidized. Disregard my comment on the Scram ride video. LoL.
You should take it to an expert to lace it. You have a mistake that only a pro can see. The holes on the rims are half on one side and half on the other side. you lace the outer spokes to the other side of the rim. this is a huge mistake. If I were you, I would desapeer this video. This is the reason why only profesoinals should load wideos like this. the problem is that others will do the same as you and this can make security problems.
that is 36 spokes, 2cross lacing (2sets of 9spokes per flange = 2 x9 x 2 = 36)