HMS Sovereign of the Seas - Guide 236
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- The Sovereign of the Seas, a 'great ship' of the Royal Navy, is today's subject.
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Tennessee-class cruiser
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
I have a question.
How are you doing personally Drach? We, the members of your crew, hope you are taking good care of yourself and your family!
Drach, what are the advantages and disadvantages of having a ship placed on a cement platform(?) like the Mikasa? And if there was a ship that could have the same treatment, which one would you like it to be?
How about one on the Adventure Galley ?
Did any other ship have a name as pretentious or more pretentious than "Sovereign of the Seas" ?
What could the US navy buy with one trillion dollars.?
Now that Drach has spoken the evil of a trillion dollar warship into existence, it is only a matter of time. Thanks!
Nice to see military procurement hasn’t changed much in 400 years.
the trillion dollar ship do exist if you look at inflation. Sovereign shows this.
An episode should be done on these wicked, tax-payer abusing things just for fun.
Looking forward to the 5 minute guide (more or less) of that one!
The Zumwalt class pushed towards that price for the whole project and was completely inappropriate for the military environment it was commissioned into. Sounds like things are still the same...
*Senator Tillman Intensifies*
Age of Sail: This ship is serving as I class ship of line for over 60 years
Age of Dreadnoughts: Today we will launch the most powerfull battleship in the world, which is already obsolete.
To be more balanced; the age of sail saw quite slow progress in technology, particularly marine technology. And this was generally for good reasons.
Dreadnought on the other hand arrived at a time when the technology of almost everything about a warship was going through a period of major change. By the time she was in service her engines were recognised to be less than ideal, although it took decades to create geared turbine systems to really fix that weakness. The fuel was starting the shift from coal to oil. The boilers were in the process of a revolution, due to both of the preceding points. The guns were reasonably stable, but not the mounts or aiming systems. The steel used, and armour plate, was evolving as fast as the shells to penetrate it. A bit later aircraft started down their path as well.
I try to be more generous in how I view ships like the Dreadnoughts.
Having lived through the home computer age, age of sail = 8 bit 77-87 ish. Age of Dreadnoughts = 90's Pentium/cirux/AMD era. And now things have settled down a bit.
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 Of course now that CPUs are no longer growing exponentially it's become all about GPUs, and the main reason there's no arms race like in the pentium age anymore is that crypto miners buy up all the good GPUs before home users can get to them :P.
I believe some WW2 Destroyers are still in use today :)
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 I saw an Age of Sail game for sale for around a fiver about 10 maybe 15 years after it first came out when I thought that 35-45 quid was a bit much.
I bought it and I have never played a more useless game ever. It was nearer the 87 btw 77 was Comodore Pet times when I bought my Nascom.
"Lacks swimming pool, too many kids, food inadequate. Interesting itinerary and good guest speakers. Noisy crew drills due to wooden decking." - Cruise Critic 1637
10/10 we need one of these on every warship video
"Ships entertainment dancers appear to be malnourished men"
🤣🤣🤣👍
No phone no pool no pets, ain't got no cigarettes. But she's queen of the seas.
"Pet(t) shipwrights not allowed on deck".
I absolutely love it when the old sailing ships are covered.
Boarding parties were repulsed because they didn’t have their “you are here” maps.
-- Crap. We’re lost.
Anglo-Dutch naval battles are as if entire ships started drunken bar fights.
"Similar to the US Navy commissioning a trillion dollar warship."
Sounds like they'd absolutely do that
Isn't that basically the price of the new "stealth" destroyers the US Navy commissioned recently ?
@@Paludion The Zumwalt? I think that's still in the "billions" area
@@Paludion The Zumwalts? No - they came in at just over $7 billion/$0.007 trillion each once the shouting had stopped - about $4.1bn to actually build one (3 were built of 32 planned before the politicians pulled the plug) and $10bn R&D spread across the class.
USN: Write that down
don't give dc any ideas!!!
So, I guess you can say the Brits got their money's worth from her from the large sum paid to build her and how effective she was in battle.
A worthy ancestor to Warspite. 😁
Well, considering that she caused the actual collapse of the government, a civil war and the effective neutering of the monarchy, I don't think the House of Stuart was particularly pleased with the return on investment :P.
@@GaldirEonai Not disagreeing about the house of Stuart but it was built by money from the citizens and the Roundheads made it their own. B^)
to be fair she would have being much cheaper without all that useless Gold
Demi-culvern-drake... Dang, that's as confusing as English money used to be!
The Two Ronnies could have made a brilliant sketch about an Admiral trying to buy some haha.
It all makes more sense when you find out that the "Pound £" started out being worth a pound of pennies, and that 240 is equally dividable into 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, and 12.
Before standardisation guns could be whatever calibre/length/size someone thought was a good idea. As a logistician myself, I have nothing but admiration for anyone who had to provision ships of the time as this is pretty much my worst nightmare. 😀
@@Kevin-mx1vi The variety of potential calibres of shot and requirements of charge are, to use a euphemism, courageous. "What could go wrong?" comes to mind.
Especially given that, iirc, cloth cartridges were still in the future (quite possibly because of the lack of standardization) and the guns were loaded with loose powder. Meaning there were open barrels of gunpowder on the gun decks.
The history of 'mare clausum' is indeed interesting as it was championed by the Spanish kingdoms and Portugal and opposed by the English & Dutch into the 17th century. The whole of the Pacific Ocean was claimed by the Spanish under this concept in the 16th & 17th centuries. Grotius championed the idea in his 1609 work dealing with 'mare liberum' maintaining that each nation had the right to the navigable seas to the distance they could defend those waters from the land. The English writer John Selden is credited with coming up with the actual phrase 'mare clausum' in 1635 with the conflict between the competing positions of 'liberum' versus 'clausum' being settled in 1702 - more-or-less- with the publication of 'De domino maris' by the Dutch Cornelius Bynkershoek which defined territorial waters as being the distance of a cannon shot from land which then became the 3-mile limit. This was changed to the internationally recognized 12-mile limit in 1982 with Gibraltar and Greenland being two notable exceptions, adhering to the older 3-mile limit.
That makes sense. The strait of Gibraltar is only 8 miles wide.
Very interesting, thank you
That thing about defending the seas makes sense. It's no wonder the original definition of territorial sea was basically 'within range of guns from the shore'.
Basically the British version of Space Battleship Yamato then...
_Saraba, Chikyuu yo..._
But without the wave motion gun
@@joem7641 Just fit a siege bombard in a chase mount...
The English version*
But unlike Yamato, she was actually useful...
Thank you, Drach! For uploading this ship, one of my many reason I enjoy naval history is this particular ship. DE GULDEN DUVEL, the ship sooo expensive, more expensive then Iowa and Yamato combined.
That's a belatedly short video for a ship that lasted so long.
The Airfix kit of this ship was my entry point into a lifelong addiction to sailing ships. The box art alone of this kit is magic.
Nice. I love how you cover all sorts of ships, of all sorts of nations, from all periods of time. Been binge watching every weekend for a few months now since I found your vids on the battle of Jutland.
Isn't ford and nimitz class basically the same size
@@jessISaRicePrincess pretty close iirc....though I think you might be replying to the wrong comment/vid since I didn't bring up either class of carrier
Ahhh yes Drach what a ship it is!
Can you oneday do its arch enemy De Zeven Provinciën the one De Ruyter commanded?
Im early enough that the Constitution is still just a few acorns.
Love Drach's presentation of naval history, history that does indeed 'deserve to be remembered.' (Nod to History Guy.)
Drach's referenced Lindybeige before... so I'd be all up for a Drach & HG crossover :D
Like the US having a Trillion Dollar Warship...
USN: Hold my Ice Cream
Drach: "This would similar to the modern US Navy ordering a one trillion dollar warship"
US Navy: "Hold mah beer..."
I can certainly see reusing ballast and metal fittings being recycled into parts for the new ship. Nor do I think that oil lamps changed that much over the centuries.
However skilled Drach´s video of the "Sovereign of the Seas" might be - and it it very well indeed - it does not encapsule the impact this wonder of human thought and engeneering had on the people of it´s time.
And it was supposed to do just that. The idea to construct and built an artwork, armed with guns to fight other artworks is so far away from modern thinking as the moon. Men have changed a lot over the last 400 years - or have they?
*looks at the Kuratus vs American-Mech-I-Forget-The-Name-Of* Naaaaah.
That is one thing I have never understood about those big beautiful ships.
Ship's carpenter: "Aye Cp't won't cost but 500 pounds to patch the holes in the ship but 22000 pounds to replace the artwork."
I’ve been waiting in anticipation for this one, one of my favourites age of sail ships
This is like the Empire making the Death Star and it didn't get destroyed by a bunch of teenagers, but instead served on for over a hundred years.
"Luke, swim up to the Captain's private head outlet pipe, crawl up it, and lay a petard and light it. That should do it."
And then got destroyed by accident during routine maintenance, had salvaged bits of it put into another Death Star, which was itself scrapped, and then had a small piece of it put into a third one that was in service three centuries later.
Last time I was this early the Dutch where worried about the golden devil
"Would be like the US Navy commissioning a trillion dollar warship"... SHHHH!!! Don't give them any ideas.
Pretty sure someone in the US Navy is thinking about it.
@CipiRipi00 atm they are at 0,01 trillion mark.
It seem the British have a habit of building ships which render all others obsolete, makes you wonder if what the next one will be.
hey drach don't give dc any ideas right now!! they're wasting enough money!! how would you like to take the designers of this old girl and show them the ford class?
Wow the Sovereign of the Seas/Royal Sovereign/whatever she was named in one or two of her four or five reincarnations.. for centuries patrolling the northern seas with less and less surviving wood from her heydays but with more and more spirit.. GREAT my father built the model when recovering from surgery and he still has that devil of a model! Not a single flat surface on the entire ship! Even deckhouse walls are baroquely curved to enhance the pleasure of the unwary model maker.
A gilded British Super-Dreadnought... Why has this never been the final boss of a computer game? Why has this never been the main enemy ship in a pirate-movie? Why has this never appeared in a comic book? Why? Why?!?
Because she never lost a fight.
Hello Drachinifel, did you know, what ship on drawing at time 3:45 is not a SOS, but first Petts large ship Prince Royal (1610)?
Joe Biden: A trillion dollar warship? Come on manj ruvvnsv jisjiviuiuri........
Americans and more guns is kind of a meme here. The nut didn't fall far from the tree.
>ahem< Santissima Trinidad...
As you described the many types of guns aboard her, my first thought was "She's a freaking pre-dreadnaught!"
she's literally the world's first Super Battleship.
I imagined Ogre from the old Steven Jackson game.
Theres been a few earlier super battleships; Tessarakonteres, Leontophoros, Syracusia and Calliguas Barge (which was more a of a pleasure ship).
@@watcherzero5256 yeah, although those polyremes effectiveness are pale in comparison to SoTS, and they act more as a biggus dickus contest than proper battle platform.
This ship sounds like the British Empire's Death Star. Too bad, no one was crazy enough to instll Ottoman Turk style bombards to its hull.
That would have been more like an equivalent to Space Battleship Yamato, with the spinal-mounted Wave Motion Gun :P.
@@GaldirEonai Yeah, come to think of it, more like the fictional Yamato.
I got the Airfix model of this ship for Christmas in 1968 when I was ten 😀
Ok so if I have followed correctly, she had in fact 2 canons of each type like the Ark of Noah ^^ :)
yep and the only tow model sail ships i built were the Soveriegn and the Vassa bloody hard to paint all that gilding
Been there! Bloody hard, but bloody enjoyable. As for the rigging....
That face when you realise she was "just" 1,600 tons, while the type 45 is about 8,500 tons.
Really shows hoe much ship's have changed.
Tons burthen, which is maybe 2500 tons displacement. Your point stands though.
So basically she was the Yamato of the day
Nicely done captain drach💯👍
A name more arrogant than HMS Invincible…or HMS Arrogant
Given her relative capabilities not really.
At least Sovereign of the Seas actually lived up to her name, being the most overpowered naval vessel of her time by a huge margin and destroying a number of other primary naval units.
2:46 That must have been a magnificent sight seeing her flying in full sail with pennants swirling.
imagine seeing her fighting of multiple enemy ships
Considering battles in the age of sail was full of smoke due to gunpowder and Anglo-Dutch Wars were fought in the North Sea (and the Channel, and west of the Channel etc) which has fog quite often; imagine being a Dutch naval captain/admiral your fleet is moving to engage a numerically inferior English fleet which is near a fog bank. Suddenly this huge ship moves out of the fog it's gildings shining as it enters sunlight.
@@outrider425 she was the tank that all tanks aspire to be.
Sovereign of the Seas:"Ok guys I got agro come dps these guys."
Really awful video footage from the 1700s
All things considered.
The HMS Hold my Beer seemed to pay off in the end with how long she served.
Please don't encourage the US Navy like that.
7:17 Sovereign of Theseus more like
US Navy:. Trillion dollar warship you say. 🤔
I want to see movies about the times of the "Golden Devil" lol. Just imagining the ship plowing through and fighting off boarders sounds like riveting stuff.
The Four Day’s Battle (which involved both this girl and her archenemy, De Zeben Provincien, De Ruyter’s flagship) really needs a movie made about it. Aside from the ships involved, it was one of the biggest naval engagements ever (and probably the longest age-of-sail engagement).
Hey can you do a video about the first ship of the royal navy?
Tough to determine, some say it was the Norse-like longboats built by Alfred The Great in the 800's , or by his grandson Aethelstan in the 900's who was the first king of an actually consolidated England. Most say it was in the reign of Henry the Eighth when the RN was established formally. No one apparently knows for sure who was "first" but we know one of the earliest big warships was _Henry Grace à Dieu_ so it may as well be.
So...Tillman 0?
I love these types of stories. Makes the gears start turning for a table top game campaign setting..
A wooden ship the size of a modern aircraft carrier captained by a mad 'prankster' wizard king?
@@5peciesunkn0wn Or maybe the enemy has one ship that just can't be taken out in a straight fight. Wherever it shows up, the battle is lost. So what do you do? You send in the fantasy commandos (the player characters) to infiltrate the harbor it's anchored at and sabotage it...
@@GaldirEonai that also works
@@GaldirEonai Give it a Siege Bombard as a chaser and we have ourselves the wooden maritime Death Star.
@@GaldirEonai Would love to play a campaign that features a fantasy equivalent to the raid on Alexandria harbor.
I built the Airfix model semi recently, the ship is honestly brilliant and so so gorgeous
I'm so early Beattie hasn't messed up yet.
Last time i was this early, the K22 was K13
You're too late nevertheless.
Damn, that's a mood!
When the ships were wood and the men were iron.
Expensive yes, but I think England got her money's worth out of her after all.
Really glad my insomnia kept me up long enough to catch this upload, great video as always, Ship Jesus.
3:14 HEY!! Don't give them ideas!! The current USN doesn't have the same Congress it did 150 years ago!
The most beautiful warship of any age I ever saw. Never knew she underwent so many re-builds and lasted so long.
Really like the Age of Sail 5 minute guides Uncle Drach, keep 'em coming.
Sovereign of the Seas.
When the Royal Navy has a Death Star cheat code.
I may not be early to see Beatty and Seymour decorate the Skaggerak with 3 Battlecruisers on the spot, but at least I'm not to late too miss out on a Drachinifel video :D
Need to start covering pirate ships next.
We're still owed a video about the age of warlord pirates in the interwar pacific and indian ocean :D.
Well trillion $ warship certainly put that into perspective!
After serving for 300 years maybe it was worth it?
Ah! Not the cruise ship then !
With the inflation rate being what it is we’re probably going to see a trillion dollar warship soon
"... similar to the U.S. Navy commissioning a trillion-dollar warship." Don't give them any ideas.
It's kind of interesting, ships get bigger and bigger and bigger over time until the present era when they're getting smaller. With the exception of the United States adoration of big aircraft carriers. Are you better off with one big cruiser or two destroyers or three frigates shooting the same missiles?
Depends on if you want to sail across an ocean and patrol for a while...
@@gregorywright4918 I see what you're getting at and that's a good point but we send those cruisers with support ships that can fuel frigates as easily as they can cruisers.
Drachinifel:"The first ship to carry more than 100 guns."
Portuguese warships from the 16 century: 😂😅🤣
Interesting that any percentage of the ship lasted that long while in service. USS Constitution has about 8-10% original construction from what I've read but this ship seems to have endured much more service and battle and still endured. Impressive. I guess they built them good back then.
*Built and launched by my Great Great (etc) Grandfather Peter Pett in 1637
Drac can you imagine if original Sovereign was still around :)))) next to Victory ......what a site
A Ford class aircraft carrier only costs 12.8 billion. Something seems off about that price.
Drach, come on, do the Stora Kronan at some point!
The RN should have a new ship named Sovereign of the Seas. I’ve liked the idea that it would be the name of a large survey ship replacing HMS Scott.
Because how better to be sovereign of the seas than by knowing it best?
But that is the name of a modern cruise liner which has a displacement of 74,000 tonnes.
Paul McNeil Nope. That ship was renamed Sovereign and has been sold for scrap.
And honestly it doesn’t matter what some cruise ship is named in relation to a naval vessel
So glad you’re doing a video on this sweet ship. Saw a model of it at the San Pedro Maritime Museum in California back around 1990, and have loved this ornate English mobile boom-boom platform ever since.
Interesting to see how sailing ship design changed between this and HMS Victory. The constant evolution of design always interesting to me. Has to be said the Royal Navy have a long record in creating innovative and world changing warships.
Curious what is the minimum “modern” artillery round that could one shot cripple a vessel like this. A shell from an 8 inch gun? 12 inch gun?
Johnston, and Sovereign of the Seas. The two ends of the spectrum for heroic warships; one has a long legacy toughened through many conflicts, the other is a matchbox heading out in a blaze of glory
A comparison only an American would make. No offense, Johnston's story is impressive...
A trillion dollar warship? Assuming the US builds a space navy this may be prophetic
Wow, what other single ship had a greater direct effect on world history? Having a major hand in both the establishment of the British empire and ending feudal rule in England.
The only ones in the same league that come to mind are the USS Maine, the Lusitania, or the SMS Goeben.
All that golden gilding. All those refits. I wonder how many dockyard carpenters supplemented their income with a small piece of wood casually slipped under a tunic towards the end of a shift?
If not for her odd mix of cannons, the Sovereign of the Seas would have probably not been out of place at Trafalgar although her older design would probably count against her.
She would be carrying out freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea.
Actually crazy how much detail u got right!
Hope that scab that scorched me got a good whippen
"Trillion-dollar warship"
Ugh, don't let the Navy brass hear that, they'll take it as an invitation and challenge rolled into one.
30% of an annual budget? Well at least they got their money's worth off the old girl. Imagine yourself as a dutch seaman and seeing this monstrosity slowly bearing its way down on you but you still can't get out of the way in time.
Laet ons de gouden duyvel met onzen branders vernielen./ Let's destroy the golden devil with our fire ships.
Love these age of sail themed episodes! More, please!
Love these videos on age of sail / age of RN. Know almost nothing coming from ww2.
Thanks for waghing is a lovely throwback to a lot more annoying era of Drach...
It wouldn’t surprise me if they did incorporate some parts of the older Sovereign into the newer one. Shipbuilders do that sometimes. The new USS Enterprise CVN-80 carries the anchor of USS Enterprise CVN-65
seen the price of steel lately??
In the Royal Navy of thre 18th century, it was a budget dodge. Parliament had to approve the funds for a new ship, but not to repair existing ones. So they'd take a ship apart and build a new one to the current (more modern) design, but re-using any timbers that could be safely salvaged from the old one. Then they'd call it a "great repair" and it could all be done from existing budgets :)
Indeed. Much of the kit seen on Enterprise NCC-1701 A is seen being used again on Enterprise NCC-1701 D.
@@seanbissett-powell5916 I feel British military history has been a battle between the armed forces and exchequer.
@@seanbissett-powell5916 padding estimates for other projects still goes on!!!
All of that variety in armament must have been an absolute nightmare in terms of ammunition provision and ammunition control.
I just realized, this ship must be a pain to the sailors during holystoning day.
Amazing; one of the coolest ships I've seen a video about on this channel. It's refreshing to see a ship that got to do a lot for a long time.
A Trillion Dollar US Warship Don't tempt them.
NGL, sounds like a Carnival cruise ship.
"trillion dollar warship"
To be fair, there was a recent request to make a warship which costed a lot more than that..... estimated costs: $855 quadrillion...
Yes, though the US government mistook this as a joke.
I'm so early! Hi Drach! Love from Kansas!