Interesting fact, the reason they used spiral spokes in wheels or in your case a flywheel was to aid with contraction in cast iron. Straight spokes had a tendency to cracking.
Yep the older wheels had straight spokes with very slow cooling. Curved spokes came later as cooling could be quicker, the curve would absorb the shrinking as the wheel contracted.
I believe the finial answer as a squareness gauge is the best yet. It would also work well set up with a squareness standard to check any shaped part. I am going to my shop later today to experiment with mine. Thanks Lyle!
Number 2 is indeed a pump. They were called proportioning pumps. They were used to inject a small amount of solution into a process of some kind. It appears that the discharge side of the pump had a screw adjustment to regulate the amount of liquid injected into the process. We used them in the water treatment of our boilers. Ours weren't that make of pump but the same idea.
Item number 5 is called a mico press. As a lineman for Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, many years ago, I used that tool when splicing open wire lines. Splicing open wire line is a 2 step process. The diameter of the old copper wire was 0.104 inches in diameter, and a sleeve with roughly that inner diameter was used. The 2 wire ends being spliced was inserted into each end of the sleeve and the mico press was used to temporarily crimp each end of the sleeve onto the wire ends. Then we used another hand tool called a sleeve roller that rolled over and squeezed the sleeve onto the wire. For those who do not know what open wire lines are, back in the day telephone service was provided via bare wires, connected to insulators mounted on crossarms which were then mounted on telephone poles. As a general rule, copper wire was used for long distance service and local service utilized steel wire.
Wifes name and pic. Mark here. Cool pump, we still use modern versions to pump sodium hypochlorite(less potent and less dangerous than liquid chlorine). Liquid chlorine will expand 457 times as a gas, real bad in big leaks, thus the switch to hypochlorite.The speed and stroke can be varied on the pump to get the desired flow rate. Will disinfect water as determined by laboratory test results. Water must stay contact with the hypochlorite for a certain period of time to kill pathogenic or disease causing bacteria. I would have never guessed what that pump was. Dig your videos. Peace
I have a Chandler and price old model. The old model is the serpentine spokes and the new model is straight spokes. It still listed like that since the 1920s i believe. Most of those platen presses were converted from treadle power to electric motor drive. However they also would have been run on a flat belt with a slipping belt type of drive. Could have been 50 of them running on the same shaft. I learned printing from my dad and now I'm the only one at my work that knows how to run these things.
Bell telephone drop wire crimper for the black rubber coated 2 steel copper clad conductors inside an insulated rubber jacket with a ridge edge to mark the RING /polarity of the two wires. It would be used on heavy metal connector and the connection was strong enough to support the drooping cable load plus any ice build up weight/pull, Was used by telephone residential telephone drop wire installers.
I just got done watching your video and I would like to add to the finial conversation. I worked as a tool and die maker in the 70's and used it several times. Imagine the bar with finial end one end of a set of contact points and set up a parallel bar with a direct reading dial gauge. You can now set the finial end inside a hole after setting indicator to 0 and measure wall thickness. This works very well to measure all most impossible measuring any other way.
Thanks for the mention, Mr. Pete. I didn't come up wit this method but I recall seeing it described in a post of one of the machining forums. The indicator doesn't need to be dead center with the ball, just close. You'll use a rocking motion at a single contact point and you'll see the indicator each a max point then drop off. My latest video (Sine Plate Part 1 around 5 minutes.) has a more detailed demonstration of this. I'm using a comparator edge but the technique is the same for the ball end.
I still believe the spherical ball end is a mounting point for clamping adjustable links or accessories as well. In-fact in your picture I believe the mounting of the arm above is the same design. Thanks for sharing.
Thumbs up. You deserve it. Thank you for the finial description for inspecting a cylinder square. I like this suggestion the very best. I worked with small motors and loads, so shaft alignment with an indicator rig normally wasn't possible or required. I did try to set up my own rig to align an air compressor and motor in the 75 to 100 HP range. Even this size was pretty small for this method of inspection. I wasted a lot of time without gaining much. Interesting to me is that using a mag base for this application is risky. There is a surprising mystery that a mag base moves when mounted on a rotating shaft affecting the accuracy of the indicated reading. I started aligning lathe functions by putting my mag base on the lathe spindle chuck and rotating the spindle to indicate tailstock or tool holders. An instructor at a Mazak maintenance class demonstrated the potential induced indicator reading error with this method. This is the demonstration... Attach mag base to a plate of steel. Indicate the same steel plate supported by the mag base. Move the demonstration rig in any arc that simulates a horizontal rotating motion. The indicator will show movement. I have done this demonstration to other skeptics and have seen more than .002" total indicator setup deflection. After this demonstration I never relied on a mag base for this application. I think that the shaft alignment rig is necessary for combating this mag base issue as well as reducing the swing radius for confined shaft alignment space. 100 HP motor shaft is still pretty small for this type of rig. The roller chain supplies good multiple contact for a confined secure clamping force. A Ridgid pipe vise is a common application of this method this type of clamping for e that most of us have used many times. Compare the clamping force of this chain vise to to be pipe jaw force in a good bench vise.
I did alignment work and used the Starrett dial indicator jig. Roll both shafts together, if you only roll one shaft you build in the imperfections of the coupling casting and it will throw your readings off. You are talking about aligning a pump to the thickness of a human hair.
Thanks for the other explanations Mr Pete. I still stand by my guess though🤔. When changing out clamps with only 0003" interference fit to the shaft, the sphere aids in proper alignment of both axis of the shaft and clamp to avoid binding as it starts, it is much easier to start over a spherical diameter that is concentric and then push straight in. Well that's my conclusion anyway😁 Hope you are staying cool up there
Tim in Ireland at Way Out West - Workshop stuff just released a video "Connecting Giant Vintage Bandsaw To A Vintage Stationary Engine.."" In this video the large cast iron bandsaw had a flywheel which looks very similar to the one in your video. Interesting. Dave.
Very interesting as always Mr. Pete. As a child I would stand in front of the big plate glass window in Estherville Iowa and watch Mr. Niemoth at a press like you showed. He was like part of the machine inserting and removing paper or cards as the press operated. I found it so fascinating. Just like the motion of that pump you demonstrated.
with regards to the pump/shaft alignment, clocking the face and periphery of the coupling shown in the starret catalogue is/was the quick and dirty method of shaft alignment (using a straight edge for the periphery and a pair of inside calipers for the faces is even quicker and favoured by Bubba as you might say). The "preferred" method though, is/was to attach a dti to each shaft and simultaneously clock the periphery of the opposing shaft and use those readings to plot a graph from which the exact amount of shim and lateral movement of the motor can be determined. This isn't so easy to do in the field but now with lazer alignment it's the method with which the lazer's computer uses to do it's calculations. In many places lazer alignment has replaced 'clocking'.
a small chamfer would help assemble a surface gauge just as easily as the ball for FAR less manufacturing costs. i have seen the squaring thing done that way before, but i always thought it was just to make a nice decorative finish myself as well.
The fly wheel looks like a fly wheel from a hand corn sheller we use to have also. Maybe the company that made the one you have there also made them for corn shellers also.
I think you might be able to fix that ACTOGRAP. If its like a high frequency section of a TIG welder it will run with a tungsten electrode. That gap will arc and set up the high frequency. The space will have to be cleaned up like points in an old school automotive distributor. The interior rheostat might need a cleaning as well. Might not be worth your time but its interesting.
The finial answer sounds intriguing. However for it to indicate that the cylinder is square it would have to be perfectly aligned with the center origin of the cylinder/circle plane 360* around the cylinder when measuring. Maybe that can be accomplished by using the sides of the "V" block in conjunction with the finial?
When I was in the eighth grade I would stop in and help our local newspaper man with small chores. One of them was printing flyers on a platen press. He had two of them. One was foot pedal operated, the other had been converted to electric drive.
I agree that the ball end is for using the instrument as a squareness comparator. Consider the design of the Solidrock squareness instrument with the precision arc on its base.
My mother ran a typesetting business. She worked several different printers and one had a printer like that. We called it a crash printer. He used it to print raffle tickets when you needed a different number on every ticket.
I have heard the same thing about the finial used as a squareness checker and have seen it demonstrated. I have done it myself as an exercise . Of course there are better devices for a squareness checker, however if all you have is a surface gage, it does work. ( btw I did not see the 74a episode)
A finial like that being that it is round,, has an extremely small point of contact.. plus if you were using that it makes for a non marring surface so instead of using a scribe or a pointer you could use the finial ball on the end say to trace the diameter around the object you were measuring ... at least that's what I was taught it was for
Another great video Mr. Pete! As always you’ve piqued my interest. I worked on direct driven air compressors and blowers all my life. In doing that I’ve aligned hundreds of shafts.you. Are Basically correct on the operation of the tool. In use though, the couplings must be connected so if you rotate one the other rotated as well. This way you negate any diametrical difference in either coupling. Thanks for what you do.
My great uncle J. Porter Fisher owned the Ralls County Record newspaper in New London Missouri and used a Linotype machine until at least the mid 1970's.
That fineal won't work as a squareness indicator because the radius of the ball would have to be exactly aligned with the indicator tip vertically. Any deviation would give higher readings on one side and lower readings on the other side as you swivel to find the high spot. You need a pivot radius much larger than that ball to insure the high spot is true.
Good morning! I was wondering if finial was there to keep you from mistaking it for scrap metal when it I accidentally left out, or rolled onto the floor. It would be an instant identifier to even a notices eyes.
I believe Oxtool has a video or two utilizing a finial style contact device of some kind in some testing that he does. The explanation was that using a ball insures a true tangent contact with as small a contact point as possible giving much more accurate readings. A flat surface would allow some "averaging" of the surface being tested. I don't suppose you watch The Tradesman Channel but he's rebuilding a very old lathe. I think hes looking for help or advice on.
Aha! Mr Everton’s Sterelator is a chlorine dosing pump, probably used to sterilise treated wastewater before dumping it on a tree farm or such like place. It’s still done today and the dose is quite accurately measured by the fixed volume pump. Much more sophisticated pumps nowadays of course. It was probably built so sturdy to be able to overcome the pressure of the wastewater pumps that pumped the water to inject the chlorine into the water pipeline.
Tom Lipton from oxtools showed checking the squareness of the cylinder square with the finial ball end in one of his videos before I can’t remember which one it was.
The Everson pump would likely have pumped sodium hypochlorite (AKA chlorine bleach). Chlorine gas would require a very different system. Since it looks like it is meant for high pressure us, it could have been used in drinking ware treatment for other chemicals such as sodium hydroxide for pH control.
Perhaps this pump is for pumping liquid chlorine compounds (chlorinating liquid) to water in a large swiming pool as water flows through the filters. Chlorine tends to evaporate from the water.
Do you think that the reasoning for curved spokes on cast flywheels was to avoid cracking due to contraction stresses as the castings cooled? Whereas radial spokes would set up more stress as they cooled, leading to cracking, unless cooled very slowly in the moulding sand and maybe stress relieved bu further heat treatment afterwards?
Excellent....i have that exact same wheel and up until now i had no idea that it was from a printing press. My next task is to figure out what i should do with it. Cheers
Lyle, if you look at the probe end of that test indicator, it too, has a ball tip. I remember operating one of those platen presses in print shop in junior high school, some 63 years ago. Thanks for the memory. Will I see you at the Bar-Z? Jon
I took Print Shop in Junior High/ Middle School and we used those old style presses. Even then most printing was done using Line-o-type machines. The local newspaper switched to photo-offset printing while I was in High School, making these machines even more obsolete.
LOL I learned how to set type by hand too at Edsel Ford high School in Dearborn Michigan! And then I graduated to a linotype that used molten lead to create type in bars containing sentences LOL all the while we also used film to do the same exact thing to burn on metal plates so they taught us all the ways of doing these things despite the fact that we printed the school newspaper using the most modern techniques at the time. I don't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing but I agree I hated setting type it was miserable, and of course the largest compartment for holding letters was e
the finial end reminds me of a push rod from a over head valve engine. it would seem to me in some applications, that peculiar end is for a pivot for some other part which would clamp onto that end and have be adjustable. i've owned a pose able armature for doing small work... i think it was a soldering stand. it had alligator clips that clamped onto a shaft that had the same thing but in miniature from what is shown here. i'll bet that's a generic, universal use, standard machinists part..
I have a Chandler-Price 10 x 15 old style from 1907...same flywheel design. Your photo is of an 8 x 12 old style, judging by the treadle style. But its flywheel differs only in size. They also made 12 x 18 and 14 x 22 platen presses, but I believe the flywheel rims were a bit different. The 10 x 15 weighs 1,500 pounds, as I recall.
I have a 1934 Oxford dictionary that defines Finial as "ornamental". I have a 1912 tool catalogue which has illustrations of Starrett toolmakers surface gages which do have the notch in the front of the base block, and the ball on one end of the rod. One of them however has a disk base, in which the rod fastens like an axle, straight up, but does have the sliding clamp for a scriber, but appears to have a pivot at the base of the rod, which if turned around would possibly allow the spherical end to be used in the notch, as shown in the "checking the squareness" application. There is also an "inspectors gage", which looks a bit like a micrometer but the rod slides, rather than threads, and appears to have a clamping sleeve on it. It appears to allow the gaging of the distance between the anvils, with a ruled scale (32nds & 40ths). It appears this can be withdrawn after the measurement with the reading retained by the position of the sleeve clamp. There is a knurled sleeve near the end, with a sphere at the very end of the rod. The sleeve would block the rod from being inserted in the frame bore to reverse the insertion, unless it comes off. the description states " designed for measuring the thickness of ship's plates, boiler plates. etc., where measure has to be taken a hole drilled for the purpose". If the rod can be inserted in reverse, it would allow measurement of a curved plate, with the ball on the inside. If you send me an email address I will send you a scan.
Good follow up video Mrpete 👍. I don't think you will be done with the finial question any time soon as it's probably got many uses, I am enjoying finding out what many uses it has.
Hello Lyle, 14:35 . do you have a video on how to use the Starrett tool shown that looks like a cross...... the one with two small balls on the ends. I recently obtained one and would love to know how to use it.... Thank You so Much, Paul Brown
@@ypaulbrown Yes indeed. The "Cross" has a ball on each end and a pivot in the middle. One ball touches the inside of the bore and the other ball acts on the tip of the indicator.
He did a video many years ago. I don't believe the video was on the tool. But, rather another project. And in it he demonstrated that tool and one other that went in a lantern type tool holder in a lathe. He was indicating a part in a 4 jaw chuck on the lathe. I'd venture to say it been at least 6 years since that video came out. The other tool had what I remember too look like a ball mounted on a leaf spring. But I can't remember much more.
Does anyone know why they used to make pulleys with those curved spokes? The pattern makers of the time had to carve all that out of wood by hand. It seems crazy they went through that much work just to add a decorative flair to industrial machinery.
See a previous comment - they said that cast iron would fatigue if the spokes were straight and possibly crack. The curved spokes supposedly solve that. Interesting.
I’ve been aligning 1963 Weinmann pumps in the boiler room with a straight edge and the my laser eyeball for 23 years. Would have loved to have one of those. Posted my first TH-cam I’d today. How long till I catch up with you? Hahahaha
So I'm watching an episode of Banacek from 1973. They are talking to a publisher of local underground news paper. The camera pans into a room and right there in the center of the doorway is the printing press. They painted a tie die pattern on the wheel.
Interesting fact, the reason they used spiral spokes in wheels or in your case a flywheel was to aid with contraction in cast iron. Straight spokes had a tendency to cracking.
great information
I wonder if the straight-spoked version is cast steel? That might be how the problem was worked around. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You are correct! As the casting cooled the spiral spokes allowed rotation preventing fractures at the rim!
Yep the older wheels had straight spokes with very slow cooling.
Curved spokes came later as cooling could be quicker, the curve would absorb the shrinking as the wheel contracted.
I believe the finial answer as a squareness gauge is the best yet. It would also work well set up with a squareness standard to check any shaped part. I am going to my shop later today to experiment with mine. Thanks Lyle!
Number 2 is indeed a pump. They were called proportioning pumps. They were used to inject a small amount of solution into a process of some kind. It appears that the discharge side of the pump had a screw adjustment to regulate the amount of liquid injected into the process. We used them in the water treatment of our boilers. Ours weren't that make of pump but the same idea.
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Well, that description of the use of the finial makes perfect sense. Thanks for all the effort put into that.😊
Item number 5 is called a mico press. As a lineman for Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, many years ago, I used that tool when splicing open wire lines. Splicing open wire line is a 2 step process. The diameter of the old copper wire was 0.104 inches in diameter, and a sleeve with roughly that inner diameter was used. The 2 wire ends being spliced was inserted into each end of the sleeve and the mico press was used to temporarily crimp each end of the sleeve onto the wire ends. Then we used another hand tool called a sleeve roller that rolled over and squeezed the sleeve onto the wire. For those who do not know what open wire lines are, back in the day telephone service was provided via bare wires, connected to insulators mounted on crossarms which were then mounted on telephone poles. As a general rule, copper wire was used for long distance service and local service utilized steel wire.
Thanks
Wifes name and pic. Mark here. Cool pump, we still use modern versions to pump sodium hypochlorite(less potent and less dangerous than liquid chlorine). Liquid chlorine will expand 457 times as a gas, real bad in big leaks, thus the switch to hypochlorite.The speed and stroke can be varied on the pump to get the desired flow rate. Will disinfect water as determined by laboratory test results. Water must stay contact with the hypochlorite for a certain period of time to kill pathogenic or disease causing bacteria. I would have never guessed what that pump was. Dig your videos. Peace
Thanks for beating this subject to death,it's a tough job but someone's got to do it and you are the man!🤗😎🤗😎
I have a Chandler and price old model. The old model is the serpentine spokes and the new model is straight spokes. It still listed like that since the 1920s i believe. Most of those platen presses were converted from treadle power to electric motor drive. However they also would have been run on a flat belt with a slipping belt type of drive. Could have been 50 of them running on the same shaft. I learned printing from my dad and now I'm the only one at my work that knows how to run these things.
Thanks
Thanks for sharing your finds and expertise
Wow. Chemical pumps have come so far. I am so glad you posted that.
The “square checker” sure adds another use for the finial.
Bell telephone drop wire crimper for the black rubber coated 2 steel copper clad conductors inside an insulated rubber jacket with a ridge edge to mark the RING /polarity of the two wires. It would be used on heavy metal connector and the connection was strong enough to support the drooping cable load plus any ice build up weight/pull, Was used by telephone residential telephone drop wire installers.
I just got done watching your video and I would like to add to the finial conversation. I worked as a tool and die maker in the 70's and used it several times. Imagine the bar with finial end one end of a set of contact points and set up a parallel bar with a direct reading dial gauge. You can now set the finial end inside a hole after setting indicator to 0 and measure wall thickness. This works very well to measure all most impossible measuring any other way.
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Excellent suggestion to use the surface gauge in that matter of squareness.
Thanks for the mention, Mr. Pete. I didn't come up wit this method but I recall seeing it described in a post of one of the machining forums. The indicator doesn't need to be dead center with the ball, just close. You'll use a rocking motion at a single contact point and you'll see the indicator each a max point then drop off. My latest video (Sine Plate Part 1 around 5 minutes.) has a more detailed demonstration of this. I'm using a comparator edge but the technique is the same for the ball end.
Thank you for the information
Thank you Mr Pete.
I still believe the spherical ball end is a mounting point for clamping adjustable links or accessories as well. In-fact in your picture I believe the mounting of the arm above is the same design. Thanks for sharing.
Thumbs up. You deserve it.
Thank you for the finial description for inspecting a cylinder square. I like this suggestion the very best.
I worked with small motors and loads, so shaft alignment with an indicator rig normally wasn't possible or required. I did try to set up my own rig to align an air compressor and motor in the 75 to 100 HP range. Even this size was pretty small for this method of inspection. I wasted a lot of time without gaining much.
Interesting to me is that using a mag base for this application is risky. There is a surprising mystery that a mag base moves when mounted on a rotating shaft affecting the accuracy of the indicated reading. I started aligning lathe functions by putting my mag base on the lathe spindle chuck and rotating the spindle to indicate tailstock or tool holders. An instructor at a Mazak maintenance class demonstrated the potential induced indicator reading error with this method. This is the demonstration...
Attach mag base to a plate of steel. Indicate the same steel plate supported by the mag base. Move the demonstration rig in any arc that simulates a horizontal rotating motion. The indicator will show movement. I have done this demonstration to other skeptics and have seen more than .002" total indicator setup deflection. After this demonstration I never relied on a mag base for this application. I think that the shaft alignment rig is necessary for combating this mag base issue as well as reducing the swing radius for confined shaft alignment space. 100 HP motor shaft is still pretty small for this type of rig. The roller chain supplies good multiple contact for a confined secure clamping force. A Ridgid pipe vise is a common application of this method this type of clamping for e that most of us have used many times. Compare the clamping force of this chain vise to to be pipe jaw force in a good bench vise.
Very interesting
I have an old CEMENT MIXER that was used in the 1940s -- Still in use. The DRIVEN spoke looks exactly like your "spoked wheel".
Excellent demonstration of the alignment technique.
Curved spokes in cast iron wheels are to relieve stresses during cooling...
Odd numbers of spokes were another way of doing it...
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I did alignment work and used the Starrett dial indicator jig. Roll both shafts together, if you only roll one shaft you build in the imperfections of the coupling casting and it will throw your readings off. You are talking about aligning a pump to the thickness of a human hair.
I’m looking forward to those videos. I finished restoring my 10k model C to an A this winter. Keep up the work.
Thanks a million mr peterson your a blessing
Thanks for the other explanations Mr Pete. I still stand by my guess though🤔. When changing out clamps with only 0003" interference fit to the shaft, the sphere aids in proper alignment of both axis of the shaft and clamp to avoid binding as it starts, it is much easier to start over a spherical diameter that is concentric and then push straight in. Well that's my conclusion anyway😁
Hope you are staying cool up there
I pretty much agree with you. I did try slipping the clamps over the ball, and it’s slid on beautifully
Thank you mr Pete
Tim in Ireland at Way Out West - Workshop stuff just released a video "Connecting Giant Vintage Bandsaw To A Vintage Stationary Engine..""
In this video the large cast iron bandsaw had a flywheel which looks very similar to the one in your video. Interesting.
Dave.
Very interesting as always Mr. Pete. As a child I would stand in front of the big plate glass window in Estherville Iowa and watch Mr. Niemoth at a press like you showed. He was like part of the machine inserting and removing paper or cards as the press operated. I found it so fascinating. Just like the motion of that pump you demonstrated.
Yes, I remember watching men run those old presses
Very informative and interesting 👍
with regards to the pump/shaft alignment, clocking the face and periphery of the coupling shown in the starret catalogue is/was the quick and dirty method of shaft alignment (using a straight edge for the periphery and a pair of inside calipers for the faces is even quicker and favoured by Bubba as you might say). The "preferred" method though, is/was to attach a dti to each shaft and simultaneously clock the periphery of the opposing shaft and use those readings to plot a graph from which the exact amount of shim and lateral movement of the motor can be determined. This isn't so easy to do in the field but now with lazer alignment it's the method with which the lazer's computer uses to do it's calculations. In many places lazer alignment has replaced 'clocking'.
Thank you, very interesting
3:25 In high school shop (1967) the class made electric pencils. Not anything close to this but it did work .
Tom Lipton at Oxtoolco channel has a series of videos fabricating a wheel for an intaglio press very similar to the wheel you have.
The Brass tool with steel ends in your other video resembles tools in my 1912 catalogue, for punching holes in "sheep's" ears for tags.
a small chamfer would help assemble a surface gauge just as easily as the ball for FAR less manufacturing costs. i have seen the squaring thing done that way before, but i always thought it was just to make a nice decorative finish myself as well.
The fly wheel looks like a fly wheel from a hand corn sheller we use to have also. Maybe the company that made the one you have there also made them for corn shellers also.
I like the answer to the finial. You do not need to find a ball bearing to check for square.
very good information mrpete
I think you might be able to fix that ACTOGRAP. If its like a high frequency section of a TIG welder it will run with a tungsten electrode. That gap will arc and set up the high frequency. The space will have to be cleaned up like points in an old school automotive distributor. The interior rheostat might need a cleaning as well. Might not be worth your time but its interesting.
I was going to try a tig electrode
But one 16th of an inch was the smallest that I had
The finial answer sounds intriguing. However for it to indicate that the cylinder is square it would have to be perfectly aligned with the center origin of the cylinder/circle plane 360* around the cylinder when measuring. Maybe that can be accomplished by using the sides of the "V" block in conjunction with the finial?
Looking forward to the 4 South Bend videos.
When I was in the eighth grade I would stop in and help our local newspaper man with small chores. One of them was printing flyers on a platen press. He had two of them. One was foot pedal operated, the other had been converted to electric drive.
Enjoying this video from Abu Dhabi and looking forward to your upcoming 4 part series.
I agree that the ball end is for using the instrument as a squareness comparator. Consider the design of the Solidrock squareness instrument with the precision arc on its base.
My mother ran a typesetting business. She worked several different printers and one had a printer like that. We called it a crash printer. He used it to print raffle tickets when you needed a different number on every ticket.
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The Actograph used a tungsten tip
I have heard the same thing about the finial used as a squareness checker and have seen it demonstrated. I have done it myself as an exercise . Of course there are better devices for a squareness checker, however if all you have is a surface gage, it does work. ( btw I did not see the 74a episode)
A finial like that being that it is round,, has an extremely small point of contact.. plus if you were using that it makes for a non marring surface so instead of using a scribe or a pointer you could use the finial ball on the end say to trace the diameter around the object you were measuring ... at least that's what I was taught it was for
Another great video Mr. Pete! As always you’ve piqued my interest. I worked on direct driven air compressors and blowers all my life. In doing that I’ve aligned hundreds of shafts.you. Are Basically correct on the operation of the tool. In use though, the couplings must be connected so if you rotate one the other rotated as well. This way you negate any diametrical difference in either coupling. Thanks for what you do.
My great uncle J. Porter Fisher owned the Ralls County Record newspaper in New London Missouri and used a Linotype machine until at least the mid 1970's.
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That fineal won't work as a squareness indicator because the radius of the ball would have to be exactly aligned with the indicator tip vertically. Any deviation would give higher readings on one side and lower readings on the other side as you swivel to find the high spot. You need a pivot radius much larger than that ball to insure the high spot is true.
Love the Finial Final. Finale Finally ....Bravo
Good morning! I was wondering if finial was there to keep you from mistaking it for scrap metal when it I accidentally left out, or rolled onto the floor. It would be an instant identifier to even a notices eyes.
that's a handwheel for a proof press for letterpress printing
I believe Oxtool has a video or two utilizing a finial style contact device of some kind in some testing that he does. The explanation was that using a ball insures a true tangent contact with as small a contact point as possible giving much more accurate readings. A flat surface would allow some "averaging" of the surface being tested. I don't suppose you watch The Tradesman Channel but he's rebuilding a very old lathe. I think hes looking for help or advice on.
Aha! Mr Everton’s Sterelator is a chlorine dosing pump, probably used to sterilise treated wastewater before dumping it on a tree farm or such like place. It’s still done today and the dose is quite accurately measured by the fixed volume pump. Much more sophisticated pumps nowadays of course. It was probably built so sturdy to be able to overcome the pressure of the wastewater pumps that pumped the water to inject the chlorine into the water pipeline.
Forgot to say that it would have pumped hypo - typically a 20% solution of essentially dry pool chlorine in water
Thanks, Pete! You rock. That blew my mind that you learned to set type before it was obsolete. Progress is definitely logarithmic. ;)
A finial prevents the end from mushrooming in a drop situation.
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Love the mystery tool section .
The finial finale 😊👍☘️
Tom Lipton from oxtools showed checking the squareness of the cylinder square with the finial ball end in one of his videos before I can’t remember which one it was.
Thank you for posting. I enjoy the what Is it series
The Everson pump would likely have pumped sodium hypochlorite (AKA chlorine bleach). Chlorine gas would require a very different system. Since it looks like it is meant for high pressure us, it could have been used in drinking ware treatment for other chemicals such as sodium hydroxide for pH control.
Perhaps this pump is for pumping liquid chlorine compounds (chlorinating liquid) to water in a large swiming pool as water flows through the filters. Chlorine tends to evaporate from the water.
Do you think that the reasoning for curved spokes on cast flywheels was to avoid cracking due to contraction stresses as the castings cooled? Whereas radial spokes would set up more stress as they cooled, leading to cracking, unless cooled very slowly in the moulding sand and maybe stress relieved bu further heat treatment afterwards?
That’s exactly what I was told many years ago one. But why do so many of those big wheels have straight spokes?’s?
Excellent....i have that exact same wheel and up until now i had no idea that it was from a printing press. My next task is to figure out what i should do with it. Cheers
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Very interesting thanks mate.
Lyle, if you look at the probe end of that test indicator, it too, has a ball tip. I remember operating one of those platen presses in print shop in junior high school, some 63 years ago. Thanks for the memory. Will I see you at the Bar-Z? Jon
I think the finial mystery is solved. Thank you.
Couldn't quite read what your t-shirt said..
"God Made Her
Jesus Saved Her
I Raised Her
My Daughter is A Nurse"
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.
good morning Lyle...you are looking great.......best wishes from Florida , Paul
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Just to say... the bandsaw on the recent video by Wayoutwest on TH-cam too, has a wheel just like yours!
I took Print Shop in Junior High/ Middle School and we used those old style presses. Even then most printing was done using Line-o-type machines. The local newspaper switched to photo-offset printing while I was in High School, making these machines even more obsolete.
LOL I learned how to set type by hand too at Edsel Ford high School in Dearborn Michigan! And then I graduated to a linotype that used molten lead to create type in bars containing sentences LOL all the while we also used film to do the same exact thing to burn on metal plates so they taught us all the ways of doing these things despite the fact that we printed the school newspaper using the most modern techniques at the time. I don't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing but I agree I hated setting type it was miserable, and of course the largest compartment for holding letters was e
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For etching VIN into Catalytic converters.
the finial end reminds me of a push rod from a over head valve engine. it would seem to me in some applications, that peculiar end is for a pivot for some other part which would clamp onto that end and have be adjustable. i've owned a pose able armature for doing small work... i think it was a soldering stand. it had alligator clips that clamped onto a shaft that had the same thing but in miniature from what is shown here. i'll bet that's a generic, universal use, standard machinists part..
Enjoyed thanks for sharing
Thanks rob
Maybe the finial is to be used like a gage ball would be in some fashion.
I have a Chandler-Price 10 x 15 old style from 1907...same flywheel design. Your photo is of an 8 x 12 old style, judging by the treadle style. But its flywheel differs only in size. They also made 12 x 18 and 14 x 22 platen presses, but I believe the flywheel rims were a bit different.
The 10 x 15 weighs 1,500 pounds, as I recall.
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Have a happy Father’s Day Mr Pete!
I have a 1934 Oxford dictionary that defines Finial as "ornamental". I have a 1912 tool catalogue which has illustrations of Starrett toolmakers surface gages which do have the notch in the front of the base block, and the ball on one end of the rod. One of them however has a disk base, in which the rod fastens like an axle, straight up, but does have the sliding clamp for a scriber, but appears to have a pivot at the base of the rod, which if turned around would possibly allow the spherical end to be used in the notch, as shown in the "checking the squareness" application. There is also an "inspectors gage", which looks a bit like a micrometer but the rod slides, rather than threads, and appears to have a clamping sleeve on it. It appears to allow the gaging of the distance between the anvils, with a ruled scale (32nds & 40ths). It appears this can be withdrawn after the measurement with the reading retained by the position of the sleeve clamp. There is a knurled sleeve near the end, with a sphere at the very end of the rod. The sleeve would block the rod from being inserted in the frame bore to reverse the insertion, unless it comes off. the description states " designed for measuring the thickness of ship's plates, boiler plates. etc., where measure has to be taken a hole drilled for the purpose". If the rod can be inserted in reverse, it would allow measurement of a curved plate, with the ball on the inside. If you send me an email address I will send you a scan.
Thank you very much for the description and analysis
Interesting, thanks Mr Pete!
The multiple holes would probably be for different diameter shafts.....
Thanks for the video.
Every finial like that is for moving the bar/rod across a surface.
You may have a good laugh about this , but there is a 1887 platen press in my basement and it is operational with 96 cases of type. Bob in Pa.
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Tom with Ox Tools made his wife a printing press, with a wheel similar to that wheel
Good follow up video Mrpete 👍. I don't think you will be done with the finial question any time soon as it's probably got many uses, I am enjoying finding out what many uses it has.
Looks like the groove behind the ball can also be used to protect the point on the scribe
Good stuff as always Mr. Pete. Great to see you in your outside shop.
Looks like flywheel from corn sheller
He has a lot of the same interests and the same Machinery as you do including the REO engines and a complete Chandler and price printing press
Inheritance machining is a great channel.Pete I think you would enjoy it yourself. AL B.
Nice bid!
4 is a injector pump
Bubba and I really like videos Bubba like to hear his name, makes him feel important
You could almost call him (in)famous...
Hello Lyle, 14:35 . do you have a video on how to use the Starrett tool shown that looks like a cross......
the one with two small balls on the ends. I recently obtained one and would love to know how to use it....
Thank You so Much, Paul Brown
It is used for checking inside of a hole for concentricity as it inverts the movement.
@@malcolmtill thank you so much......I assume a dial indicator touches the end not in the hole......best regards, Paul
@@ypaulbrown Yes indeed. The "Cross" has a ball on each end and a pivot in the middle. One ball touches the inside of the bore and the other ball acts on the tip of the indicator.
@@malcolmtill Thank You......
Paul
He did a video many years ago. I don't believe the video was on the tool. But, rather another project. And in it he demonstrated that tool and one other that went in a lantern type tool holder in a lathe. He was indicating a part in a 4 jaw chuck on the lathe. I'd venture to say it been at least 6 years since that video came out. The other tool had what I remember too look like a ball mounted on a leaf spring. But I can't remember much more.
I do believe I described the use of the finial in the original vid.
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Does anyone know why they used to make pulleys with those curved spokes? The pattern makers of the time had to carve all that out of wood by hand.
It seems crazy they went through that much work just to add a decorative flair to industrial machinery.
See a previous comment - they said that cast iron would fatigue if the spokes were straight and possibly crack. The curved spokes supposedly solve that. Interesting.
the Steralator is great.....
I’ve been aligning 1963 Weinmann pumps in the boiler room with a straight edge and the my laser eyeball for 23 years. Would have loved to have one of those. Posted my first TH-cam I’d today. How long till I catch up with you? Hahahaha
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So I'm watching an episode of Banacek from 1973. They are talking to a publisher of local underground news paper. The camera pans into a room and right there in the center of the doorway is the printing press. They painted a tie die pattern on the wheel.
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