An older top end rim bike modernised is no slower than a 10K superbike for most people. best bet is to narrow the bars, reduce the crank length and use a wider rim that lets you get at least 25c or if lucky a 28c rubber. My Preferred daily ride is a CAD3 that is a least a size too small, so toe overlap isn't great, but setting PR's all the time on it, particularly on descents.
I have a 2018 Cannondale SuperSix and I can't imagine ever getting rid of it. I also have a new aero bike. It does look cool and is faster on a flat road. But, the Cannondale is just special. I had a 2013 that I sold when I got the 2018. I always regretted selling it. Especially when the guy I sold it to binned it when he wasn't paying attention and ran into the back of a truck.
I need to bleed the brakes on my commuter bike. I generally like working on my bikes but this is one job that I'm not looking forward to (even worse considering it's a SRAM groupset that uses DOT fluid... when I bought a mtb, Shimano brakes were a big selling point). Also, changing pads is not a big task, but a lot more frequent and expensive on disc brakes than on rims.
@simonr7097 It really isn't bad at all. It is pretty easy. Just wear gloves when you do it. I have 3 bikes with SRAM and the DOT fluid is the one aspect I don't like. It isn't environmentally friendly either. As for the Shimano brakes, they are more popular with mountain bikers anyway. I know three people who run SRAM AXS with Shimano brakes.
Love my 2014 Synapse, Started riding in the early 80's but love the mid 2010's. Upgraded to R8000 Ultrgra rim. Could not be happier with it. Really like it's Zonda wheels. Takes me back every time I ride it.
Bought a 2017 Look 785 Huez RS. Fully tricked out with SRAM Red etap for the cost of mid price carbon wheelset… it came with a decent set btw. Very happy going the pre-loved route
A bike I still regret selling, was my Pinarello Rokh, I could safely run conti gp 4000 28C which measured up to 31mm after a week of inflammation. Extremely comfy ride position and the frame had the Dogma K rear curved shock absorbing stays. Very very over looked and under appreciated bike, mainly because it wasn't a Dogma
Snatched a 2013 Cannondale CAAD10 Ultegra a few weeks ago for 620€, a set of Mavic Ksyrium Elite (1550g for the pair) for 70€, did a few Aliexpress upgrades for about 100€ and I've got myself a trusty Aluminium frame (not too keen on buying a pre owned carbon frame) rocket that's 7.5kg for around 800€ ! CAAD12s are also amazing value, old Cannondales are amazing
Wow. David Arthur is imitating me! Just woken up at 3am on a week day, can't go back to sleep and looking to make a colossally irresponsible purchase to offset the bad feeling of approaching workday with some dopamine rush!
Yes -- 2nd hand rim brake mechanical shifting bikes are MUCH BETTER than current bikes! I don't want Di2. I don't want disk brakes. I don't want 32 tires. I don't want hookless. I don't want tubeless.
You couldn’t have said it better as I feel exactly the same way, I have no desire whatsoever to even look at these newer bikes, I love road bikes from 1990 to about 2015, rim brake , and mechanical, stay safe out there!
Great vid David and nice to see recommendations like this and not just talking of the latest and great bikes which are excellent but this shows that older bikes are still relevant and brilliant today.. Love my Cannodales ❤ my 2014 SSE is still awesome today and always puts a smile on my face.. Pete 🚴♀️🚴🏻👍
I still use my 2011 S Works SL3 as my main bike or my 2010 Roubaix as my 2nd bike. Both give great performance for my riding. Now I’m in my 70th year, these bikes are more than enough for keeping me excited about getting out and riding, come rain or shine. As exemplified by this great video, I’d have to literally give away these bikes if I were to sell them.
Thank you, David, for giving these bikes the spotlight they deserve and in a way, it reminds me of something my father did when he was in his twenties in the early '60s and that was to buy and restore Triumph TR3 sports cars, British imports from the previous decade. Sure, they were not Jaguar XKEs, but they were fun and attainable and we even took family road trips in them. And so it is with these bikes from just a decade ago. Nothing wrong with being able to afford something and being able to service and upgrade it. Plus we all know looks count for a lot and that decade had a cool aesthetic. And getting back to my Dad, he got involved in SCCA sports car racing in California in the '60s and even stepped away from his engineering career to build race car engines for two years, including one with the famed Bud Moore Team in South Carolina which fielded the Factory Ford Boss 302 Mustangs in the 1970 Trans-Am series. And even now, I am only too happy to buy older bikes and see them bring good times again. Earlier this year I presented as a surprise to a family member a 26" full rigid mountain bike in its chrome-plated splendor, adorned with pink pedals and pink bars and other custom touches for her. And she loves her bike which looks and rides like it is brand-new, not decades old already. And she knows it is old, I explained the story of my thrift-store find, and whatever, she knows her bike is cool 😀
0:15 2010s bikes are also my favourite bikes, most likely because I started in this decade and my preferences are probably stuck in this decade too. Regular internal routing, 25 mm tires, 21 mm internal rim width max., two-piece aluminium cockpits, I pretty much don't need anything more than these.
Havent bought a bike since 2010 when I splurged on a store demo Orbea Orca Carbon with Dura ace comps and wheels. A child can lift it with a pinkie finger. When I feel the urge for downtube shifting I ride an 80's Bianchi with shimano 600 that I got from a police auction 20 years ago. I had to replace the moldy Bianchi branded saddle, which was identical to Selle Italia classic, which is my favorite saddle next to Brooks. It fits so perfect I can ride long distances without the need for padded bike shorts.
I almost bought a 2017 carbon one with ultegra that they were asking $600 for😵💫 I had just got a 17 caad12 and didn’t think the synapse would be that fun so I stupidly passed on it🤦🏻♂️
Any Caad series is a good bet re: performance and weight. However, with all of these older road bikes, take care re: tire clearance and gearing options.
I got a giant tcr advanced 1 from 2019, I love it! Really good deal too, perfect condition but had to mess around with the front derailleur for a while.
Ive been doing this for years, I have a De Rosa Merak with 11 speed record, a Cannondale Black Inc Nano with sram red, Colnago c50 with 10 speed record. Together they owe me less than 3 grand Australian.
I have a Cannondale CAAD3 painted in an incredibly late 90s tangerine to mango fade. It had modern 11spd Shimano parts on it and I've done a few solo rides where I average 18.5-20mph and didn't have much issues holding 20mph+ on just slight declines.
Fun episode/channel! The newest bikes are for the newest riders that think $10K for a bike is acceptable and don't know any better, pros that get it all for free (and deserve to) and experienced riders with money to burn and/or chronic FOMO. Oh, and of course the industry which must churn inventory and product to keep the money plates spinning in the air. It's all good, just breaking it down for you. But you should really buy a used bike.
My first gen venge is the lightest bike and one of the most aero I've got. It climbs better than my Canyon Ultimate disc which weights the same (the canyon was a ex canyon sram team bike)
I have a 2013 BMC SLR01 with 10sp SRAM Red that I will (probably) never sell. I still love it despite also having the 2022 BMC SLR01 with Ultegra Di2 and disc brakes and Enve AR 4.5, which is moticeably more comfortable and faster.
Not all tires measure equally re: diameter vs size, in other words, a 32 in one tire may be a smaller/shorter profile than another, i.e., more width than height. Unfortunately this is not easy to suss out by just stated size alone.
Well, 2 years ago I bought a BMC Roadmachine with Di2 Ultegra , disc brakes, 28 mm tyres, ( latex tubes, conti go 5000 clinchers) etc.My first new road bike in 20 years, since my Litespeed Tuscany with 10 speed mech campy record, ( latex tubes, 23 mm contis) pretty high end at the time. Well the Litespeed rarely gets a ride these days. The BMC is just so much better in every aspect, stiffer where it counts, more comfortable, shifts better, stops better, handles better, just all round a delight to ride. Accounting for inflation the Litespeed was more expensive. The Titanium welding on the Litespeed is a work of art, however, the BMC is more fun to ride and faster…..I wonder how many people dissing electronic shifting and disk brakes have actually spent much time actually riding a current bike….might be pleasantly surprised if they do….
Has anyone else noticed that the 52cm/54cm road bikes are usually listed at higher prices than the larger 56cm, and up? Must be a supply and demand thing. Tall people can get great deals on Ebay, while average height riders pay a premium.
As a guy who's almost 2m tall it's hard enough for me to find new bikes that fit. Finding a good used one in my size is almost impossible, even if I'm willing to travel half way across the country to pick it up.
Prices of used bikes are crazy in my opinion... At least in Slovenia. People are asking almost 1000€ for 10 year old aluminium bikes with 10spd Ultegra xD
Hi David off topic here. Could you review foldable electric bikes like kern bikes? I am thinking in commuting to work and when I ride a sweet a bit. I want to do minimal exercise as we don’t have showers 😊.
Damn - shouldn’t have watched this. Have had my eye on a very sharp looking 2015 Cannondale Supersix evo on the local equivalent of eBay here in NZ. Keep telling myself that I’ve got way too many bikes. But it’s so tempting for the equivalent of about 1000 quid…🤤
Rim brakes on carbon wheels must have been the biggest regression in bike design/safety. Thankfully disc brakes came in quickly on the back of this and restored order.
#Warning. That damage on the chainstay is a deal breaker for me. Bought my propel with same damage and chain stay snapped but got fixed and was lucky to not be sprinting at the time Also why can't I comment on the TH-cam app had to go to website
Nice second hand bikes but it’s a gamble with carbon. To my knowledge you have no warranty whatsoever (apart from giant) as a second owner. Having had frames replaced under warranty I’d be very careful and would prob stick to aluminium
I can handle durian rider doing this because everyone thinks he's a schizo and ignores him but we do not need people pointing out specific models of the best road bikes ever made. All that's going to do is drive up the prices. It happened with 90's mtbs and now every reddit soybeard and xeir mother has one. Can't find a good one for under 300 any more. I know you need content but don't make these type of videos.
I have a cannondale slice 2013 aero 11speed sram rival upgraded my self and i bough it second hand and i dont regret it at all. Thier some thing special about 2010 -2020 bikes you don't find no more. And plus to expensive its like buyin a car or loan to a house i pass. Great video❤
An older top end rim bike modernised is no slower than a 10K superbike for most people. best bet is to narrow the bars, reduce the crank length and use a wider rim that lets you get at least 25c or if lucky a 28c rubber. My Preferred daily ride is a CAD3 that is a least a size too small, so toe overlap isn't great, but setting PR's all the time on it, particularly on descents.
I have a 2018 Cannondale SuperSix and I can't imagine ever getting rid of it. I also have a new aero bike. It does look cool and is faster on a flat road. But, the Cannondale is just special. I had a 2013 that I sold when I got the 2018. I always regretted selling it. Especially when the guy I sold it to binned it when he wasn't paying attention and ran into the back of a truck.
I know what you mean about discs being high maintenance, I had to adjust my pads twice in 2023. That’s 5 minutes I’ll never get back. Outrageous
Yeah changed my stem on my integrated bike and it took 2 days.
I need to bleed the brakes on my commuter bike. I generally like working on my bikes but this is one job that I'm not looking forward to (even worse considering it's a SRAM groupset that uses DOT fluid... when I bought a mtb, Shimano brakes were a big selling point).
Also, changing pads is not a big task, but a lot more frequent and expensive on disc brakes than on rims.
@simonr7097 It really isn't bad at all. It is pretty easy. Just wear gloves when you do it. I have 3 bikes with SRAM and the DOT fluid is the one aspect I don't like. It isn't environmentally friendly either. As for the Shimano brakes, they are more popular with mountain bikers anyway. I know three people who run SRAM AXS with Shimano brakes.
Love my 2014 Synapse, Started riding in the early 80's but love the mid 2010's. Upgraded to R8000 Ultrgra rim. Could not be happier with it. Really like it's Zonda wheels. Takes me back every time I ride it.
Bought a 2017 Look 785 Huez RS. Fully tricked out with SRAM Red etap for the cost of mid price carbon wheelset… it came with a decent set btw. Very happy going the pre-loved route
My only issue with this era is the limited tire width they support. I run 32mm now and love it.
23 is way faster.
@@Hoops176 on a perfectly smooth velodrome
Those older synapses with disc run 32s no problem.
yeah, that is understandable
@@Hoops176 slow is smooth, smooth is fast 🚴♀️✨✨
A bike I still regret selling, was my Pinarello Rokh, I could safely run conti gp 4000 28C which measured up to 31mm after a week of inflammation. Extremely comfy ride position and the frame had the Dogma K rear curved shock absorbing stays. Very very over looked and under appreciated bike, mainly because it wasn't a Dogma
Snatched a 2013 Cannondale CAAD10 Ultegra a few weeks ago for 620€, a set of Mavic Ksyrium Elite (1550g for the pair) for 70€, did a few Aliexpress upgrades for about 100€ and I've got myself a trusty Aluminium frame (not too keen on buying a pre owned carbon frame) rocket that's 7.5kg for around 800€ !
CAAD12s are also amazing value, old Cannondales are amazing
What Aliexpress uppgrade you mean ? I'd like to get my hands on a CAAD 12, I'm taking any advices
@@Rascross Upgraded to like Titanium quick release skewers, new lightweight stem & handlebar, carbon seatpost, carbon 3D printed Saddle (Ryet), TPU tubes, carbon bottle holders :)
Should/ could have mentioned teh Caad12 along with the superSix evo: Disc = bigger tires, too
Wow. David Arthur is imitating me! Just woken up at 3am on a week day, can't go back to sleep and looking to make a colossally irresponsible purchase to offset the bad feeling of approaching workday with some dopamine rush!
Yes -- 2nd hand rim brake mechanical shifting bikes are MUCH BETTER than current bikes!
I don't want Di2. I don't want disk brakes. I don't want 32 tires. I don't want hookless. I don't want tubeless.
You couldn’t have said it better as I feel exactly the same way, I have no desire whatsoever to even look at these newer bikes, I love road bikes from 1990 to about 2015, rim brake , and mechanical, stay safe out there!
Would you pick modern bikes if you had to commute with them regardless of weather?
@@Dmxravin No, I would find a GOOD 2nd hand bike from a few years ago. Much less expensive and easier.
Better value yes. better performance? no
Cool, man. You do you!
Great vid David and nice to see recommendations like this and not just talking of the latest and great bikes which are excellent but this shows that older bikes are still relevant and brilliant today.. Love my Cannodales ❤ my 2014 SSE is still awesome today and always puts a smile on my face.. Pete 🚴♀️🚴🏻👍
I still use my 2011 S Works SL3 as my main bike or my 2010 Roubaix as my 2nd bike. Both give great performance for my riding. Now I’m in my 70th year, these bikes are more than enough for keeping me excited about getting out and riding, come rain or shine. As exemplified by this great video, I’d have to literally give away these bikes if I were to sell them.
I have that ‘71 model of the Synapse HiMod as my winter bike with full Red mech and disc, 30c tires. It still flys, and crazy light.
Thank you, David, for giving these bikes the spotlight they deserve and in a way, it reminds me of something my father did when he was in his twenties in the early '60s and that was to buy and restore Triumph TR3 sports cars, British imports from the previous decade. Sure, they were not Jaguar XKEs, but they were fun and attainable and we even took family road trips in them. And so it is with these bikes from just a decade ago. Nothing wrong with being able to afford something and being able to service and upgrade it. Plus we all know looks count for a lot and that decade had a cool aesthetic. And getting back to my Dad, he got involved in SCCA sports car racing in California in the '60s and even stepped away from his engineering career to build race car engines for two years, including one with the famed Bud Moore Team in South Carolina which fielded the Factory Ford Boss 302 Mustangs in the 1970 Trans-Am series. And even now, I am only too happy to buy older bikes and see them bring good times again. Earlier this year I presented as a surprise to a family member a 26" full rigid mountain bike in its chrome-plated splendor, adorned with pink pedals and pink bars and other custom touches for her. And she loves her bike which looks and rides like it is brand-new, not decades old already. And she knows it is old, I explained the story of my thrift-store find, and whatever, she knows her bike is cool 😀
0:15 2010s bikes are also my favourite bikes, most likely because I started in this decade and my preferences are probably stuck in this decade too.
Regular internal routing, 25 mm tires, 21 mm internal rim width max., two-piece aluminium cockpits, I pretty much don't need anything more than these.
Havent bought a bike since 2010 when I splurged on a store demo Orbea Orca Carbon with Dura ace comps and wheels. A child can lift it with a pinkie finger.
When I feel the urge for downtube shifting I ride an 80's Bianchi with shimano 600 that I got from a police auction 20 years ago. I had to replace the moldy Bianchi branded saddle, which was identical to Selle Italia classic, which is my favorite saddle next to Brooks. It fits so perfect I can ride long distances without the need for padded bike shorts.
Solid ideas. Personally, I wouldn't buy anything without disc brakes - I ride steep hills, in the rain. But, to each their own.
I have a 2016 Supersix . Absolutely love it.
Can confirm that the old version of the Cannondale synapse is an absolute delight, picked one up second hand last summer and have loved it ever since
I’m hyped, just bought a 2017 synapse carbon di2, picking it up Thursday!
I have a 2014 synapse hi-mod disc - though the front brake is squeaky maybe I should’ve gone for a rim version after all
Rode the old version of the Synapse for four days in the South of France (Provence region). Very comfy, but fast on the downhill as well.
I almost bought a 2017 carbon one with ultegra that they were asking $600 for😵💫 I had just got a 17 caad12 and didn’t think the synapse would be that fun so I stupidly passed on it🤦🏻♂️
I have a 2014 carbon synapse with 105. I stuck some Campagnolo Zonda wheels on and it is a awesome daily for work commute etc
Hi David
Very informative video as always with lots of great looking bikes on the market 🚴♂️👍👍
Any Caad series is a good bet re: performance and weight. However, with all of these older road bikes, take care re: tire clearance and gearing options.
I got a giant tcr advanced 1 from 2019, I love it! Really good deal too, perfect condition but had to mess around with the front derailleur for a while.
I have Trek Madone 5.2. I love it!
Ive been doing this for years, I have a De Rosa Merak with 11 speed record, a Cannondale Black Inc Nano with sram red, Colnago c50 with 10 speed record. Together they owe me less than 3 grand Australian.
I have a Cannondale CAAD3 painted in an incredibly late 90s tangerine to mango fade. It had modern 11spd Shimano parts on it and I've done a few solo rides where I average 18.5-20mph and didn't have much issues holding 20mph+ on just slight declines.
Above Category - What a shop!!!
Great video and i agree, the old SSE are the best roadbikes 😮
A 2015 scott foil is legendary
David that Venge was just a frame 3000. That whole bike in USA would be at least $5,500
Fun episode/channel! The newest bikes are for the newest riders that think $10K for a bike is acceptable and don't know any better, pros that get it all for free (and deserve to) and experienced riders with money to burn and/or chronic FOMO. Oh, and of course the industry which must churn inventory and product to keep the money plates spinning in the air. It's all good, just breaking it down for you. But you should really buy a used bike.
Brilliant content love the rim brake bikes pure class, valued my SWORKS Venge at the end too still hanging on to it.
This is the answer for riders who keep complaining about the price of new bicycles. Buy one of these.
My first gen venge is the lightest bike and one of the most aero I've got. It climbs better than my Canyon Ultimate disc which weights the same (the canyon was a ex canyon sram team bike)
I have a 2013 BMC SLR01 with 10sp SRAM Red that I will (probably) never sell. I still love it despite also having the 2022 BMC SLR01 with Ultegra Di2 and disc brakes and Enve AR 4.5, which is moticeably more comfortable and faster.
CAAD12 ultegra take it or leave it
I don’t want to buy any bike from this era with a press fit bottom bracket. With this caveat, what would you suggest?
How do i figure out the max tire clearance of these modern classic road bikes? I am pretty fond of my 32 mm tires on my steel 90's bike.
Not all tires measure equally re: diameter vs size, in other words, a 32 in one tire may be a smaller/shorter profile than another, i.e., more width than height. Unfortunately this is not easy to suss out by just stated size alone.
Well, 2 years ago I bought a BMC Roadmachine with Di2 Ultegra , disc brakes, 28 mm tyres, ( latex tubes, conti go 5000 clinchers) etc.My first new road bike in 20 years, since my Litespeed Tuscany with 10 speed mech campy record, ( latex tubes, 23 mm contis) pretty high end at the time. Well the Litespeed rarely gets a ride these days. The BMC is just so much better in every aspect, stiffer where it counts, more comfortable, shifts better, stops better, handles better, just all round a delight to ride. Accounting for inflation the Litespeed was more expensive. The Titanium welding on the Litespeed is a work of art, however, the BMC is more fun to ride and faster…..I wonder how many people dissing electronic shifting and disk brakes have actually spent much time actually riding a current bike….might be pleasantly surprised if they do….
The length of the rear derailleur gear outer on that first sl5 tarmac or horrendous. It’ll definitely need a good service 😂
The shift housing also popped out of the shift housing stop at the dropout.
Has anyone else noticed that the 52cm/54cm road bikes are usually listed at higher prices than the larger 56cm, and up? Must be a supply and demand thing. Tall people can get great deals on Ebay, while average height riders pay a premium.
As a guy who's almost 2m tall it's hard enough for me to find new bikes that fit. Finding a good used one in my size is almost impossible, even if I'm willing to travel half way across the country to pick it up.
Nice one David
Prices of used bikes are crazy in my opinion... At least in Slovenia. People are asking almost 1000€ for 10 year old aluminium bikes with 10spd Ultegra xD
Just bought a 2018 Trek Domane SL 6 isospeed, direct mount rim brakes, full Ultegra, vision carbon wheels, 1600 km… 640 euro.
that's a very good deal!
@@davidarthuryep! I know 😅
GIANT CONTEND
Second hand bikes in the UK are a bargain. They are much more expensive here in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which is strange.
Hi David off topic here. Could you review foldable electric bikes like kern bikes? I am thinking in commuting to work and when I ride a sweet a bit. I want to do minimal exercise as we don’t have showers 😊.
Damn - shouldn’t have watched this. Have had my eye on a very sharp looking 2015 Cannondale Supersix evo on the local equivalent of eBay here in NZ. Keep telling myself that I’ve got way too many bikes. But it’s so tempting for the equivalent of about 1000 quid…🤤
Should I buy all 16 ??
Rim brakes on carbon wheels must have been the biggest regression in bike design/safety. Thankfully disc brakes came in quickly on the back of this and restored order.
Ill take that Venge, please!
tempting isn't it!
Impossible price😮
Tnx
#Warning. That damage on the chainstay is a deal breaker for me. Bought my propel with same damage and chain stay snapped but got fixed and was lucky to not be sprinting at the time
Also why can't I comment on the TH-cam app had to go to website
Nice second hand bikes but it’s a gamble with carbon. To my knowledge you have no warranty whatsoever (apart from giant) as a second owner. Having had frames replaced under warranty I’d be very careful and would prob stick to aluminium
Giant propel for 800 bucks?
this dudes dad owns a mine
Want a road bikes with rim brakes don’t need disc brakes
I don't really need 16 bikes...
All Carbon no aluminum or even steel.
Sigh… true. Plenty of great candidates made out of either, particularly the Cannondale CAAD series (if you can hang with the geometry).
I own a couple of bikes from this era. Just stay away from bb30.
👏👏👍👍😍😍😍😍
Great vid! Some rippers there!😊
idk if i can convince my girlfriend that im buying 10 classic bikes
Buy a decent used carbon bike and sell the frame. Take the parts and put them on a made-to-measure steel frame. Be happy.
LOL did exactly that
Steel is worse than carbon. That ship has sailed
I can handle durian rider doing this because everyone thinks he's a schizo and ignores him but we do not need people pointing out specific models of the best road bikes ever made. All that's going to do is drive up the prices. It happened with 90's mtbs and now every reddit soybeard and xeir mother has one. Can't find a good one for under 300 any more. I know you need content but don't make these type of videos.
Disc is dumb. HEAVY
Deep dish is dumb. HEAVY
Fat tires are dumb. HEAVY
It is a scam.
I ride lightweight bicycles.
HEAVY sucks.
I have a cannondale slice 2013 aero 11speed sram rival upgraded my self and i bough it second hand and i dont regret it at all. Thier some thing special about 2010 -2020 bikes you don't find no more. And plus to expensive its like buyin a car or loan to a house i pass. Great video❤
Nothing from Trek or Scott? How about Look or Time ...😊