Oh! For a moment I thought I found my self but no. 😂 I’ve the dame profile picture for my Apple Music profile 😆👍 in April I always remember her and my heart breaks again 😭
@@jiuncho4435 That seems true only to a person who is better than half of the online population, I have my doubts that includes you and I will give for granted you are just trying to find excuses to feel more intelligent
@@Taric25 Actually, actually, literally has been in use to mean "figuratively" or just to add emphasis for literally centuries, figuratively would be unnatural and is only used by people complaining about literally. That means literally is used correctly here.
Whether or not if Dogen or Matt sees this. I really want to thank both of you for inspiring me to really get into Japanese more with a greater degree of effort(I mean learning with immersion is much more fun now and is it really "difficult" to watch anime when you already have an interest?). So, if anyone gets around to seeing this, be sure to check out Matt and Dogen for continued ideas because they are super awesome people. Matt especially thank you for the ideas with immersion that has saved my life and made everything so much better during quartine(those ideas were God sent with help so really really thanks), and Dogen thanks for your funny content and super informative ideas with pitch-accent and everything. P.S. funny that this comment will become old, and I'll back be saying WOW that was a long time ago and my Japanese was mediocre but in the future hopefully it is awesome. So, future me and others keep it up and remember putting yourself into any Japanese is getting you better than you were yesterday!
@@eresoup7229 Hey, yeah it's still going strong with a constant 2 hour approach with active immersion at least, and I'm taking a 70%-30% approach on what I want to work on between reading and listening skills(rotating when necessary). To be honest, I'm pretty off and on with Anki, but I give it my best shot. I just hope that someone who is thinking about learning any language can realize that you don't be a genius to be able to learn a language because I want to be the living proof of that statement.
This is the most passive aggressive video between two of the best non-native fluent Japanese speakers on TH-cam and I love every single thing about it. I need more!!!
In conclusion 1. When you are in conversation with a friend or in another situation, try to find words or sentences with the same meaning or the same pronunciation. 2. Remember the minor details including nuances, accents, or other. 3. Have a debate with your friend or maybe fight him, and associate these words with the experience.
That was me and my teachers in school, arguing about syntax... They used modern syntax, while I use archaic syntax... So while they would say "the brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" I'd say "the brown fox over the lazy dog jumped" although not exactly that sentence, and not in English, because English has a strict word order.. Since when would English use House yours instead of your house. Well 1000 years ago, but that's not important... neither of us were wrong, but it was all about which version was the best.
If you want to know his method in more detail I recommend you watch his videos. Also, there is his Japanese Quickstart Guide, which basically explains what you should do to start learning Japanese (including sentence cards of course): massimmersionapproach.com/table-of-contents/stage-1/jp-quickstart-guide/
I thought this would be very informative, then I learned it was a joke and wondered why else I would expect anything else from Dogen. Then I realized, he was being really clever about hiding the tricks to memorizing Japanese words in the video. 1.) 0:09 - 0:13 - Learn the synonyms, and learn the little nuances that differentiate words. (0:26 - 0:39, 1:11) 2.) 0:14 - Repeat words to yourself to help remember them. (Maybe use SRS apps?) 3.) 0:41 - Learn pronunciation (incl. pitch accent) when you learn new words. (1:18) 4.) 0:56 - 0: 59 - Don't admit mistakes and deflect. 5.) 1:25 - 1:28 - When corrected again, pretend you knew it all along, then deflect.
5 stars. Probably the most insightful and practical guide I’ve found on how memory works particularly with language learning. Highly recommend for anyone looking to take that next step towards fluency.
God I love the running gag of fluent Japanese-speaking foreigners instantly comparing each other's Japanese and becoming increasingly defensive. Art imitates life.
Secret Info from Banter Achieved: 1) There are different ways to IMPLY the same thing (i.e. similar meaning). 2) When structure is considered, nuances matter. (i.e. in formal writing). 3) To Memorize, Expand your Vocabulary then Improve what you've come to know. 4) Develop your ear's senses to the nuance of specific phonetics, such as rendaku. 5) Slowly figure out Exceptions to the Rules.
And what's the morale: When memorising Japanese words prepare for phonetic dilemmas and well... You're learning for nothing because someone will tell you you should use something else anyway
No, you are not learning for nothing because if you don't even know the basic grammar and vocabulary, then even with perfect pronunciation, you can't form a single sentence. It's just like having someone speak in an accent in English, their tone and everything will sound odd and foreign, but they are still speaking English nonetheless and phonetics is not something that one just memorizes. They can study it and learn about them, but to be able to accurately put it to use, you just gotta use the language more and interact with natives, and that just takes time
This was a really witty idea and well executed. The acting, the editing, and the overall quality was outstanding. I would have loved to have seen some of the behind-the-scenes if there were any.
this is basically the same as watching the 2 smartest kids in your classroom flex at each other to get the teacher's approval meanwhile i'm sitting here like "huh, yeah, i know some of these words"
This was hilarious! Laugh out loud funny. I love how Matt became more dramatic sounding as the skit went on. This was kinda like a real life anime the way you two fought over such bizzaro things back and forth. Great content!
No but... he does cover how to memorize... by example. He repeats himself, explains the concepts to a colleague, and compares the word with similar sounding words in a bit of a tongue twister to get used to the sounds. When you watch it over, the repetition helps as well. And since it's so short, you could study this for half an hour easily by connecting previous/outside knowledge. Very well done!!!
I forgot to add that he also uses visual elements and displays the important kanjis that he's teaching. For visual learners, this is helpful outright. For kinesthetic learners, rewriting kanji over and over will help more, but so will the appearance being according to when he's saying it. Guh, I'm nerding out a bit, but this is fantastic.
Outstanding video! Many thanks to the author of the channel for the recommendations! The problem with many people is that they want to take a "magic pill" or get "secret knowledge" and immediately have skills and abilities. However, the truth of life is that knowledge, skills, and abilities do not come by themselves. You can't learn a foreign language without doing anything, without wasting your time and effort, just like you can't learn to ride a bike lying on a comfy couch, listening to lectures and watching videos about "modern methods of learning" on a bike. To really learn something, you have to really practice every day. You're going to fall down while you're learning, and you're going to get bumps - that's normal! The ups and downs of learning are an integral part of our lives. Motivation from success and depression from failure will always be your study companions. However, every student has problems in his or her studies that he or she lacks the knowledge to solve. It can be: poor memorization of words; no progress in language learning; the student can speak, but does not understand speech by ear; misunderstanding of grammar; incorrect pronunciation, etc. Agree that a problem you don't know how to solve is very demotivating. In order to find the answer to our question we have to spend a lot of time to read videos, articles and books by polyglots. In today's world, we have to solve problems as quickly as possible. I don't have time to study and analyze a huge amount of information. My goal is to master the basic knowledge of a foreign language as quickly as possible and already start earning money effectively in the international arena. I settled on the practical guide by Yuriy Ivantsiv " Polyglot's Notes: practical tips for learning foreign language". This book is always in my bag. If I have a problem while learning a language, I quickly find the answer in this book. There are many different techniques and tips for learning a foreign language in Polyglot Notes. I have made my own individual schedule and plan for language learning. Now I know what I am going to study, how I am going to study, when I am going to study and what results I am going to achieve. No problem could stop me! With an effective language learning plan my professional skills are more and more in demand internationally every day. Friends, don't stop there! Everyone has talents that millions of people around the world need! Learn the language and make your ideas and dreams come true! Thanks to the author of the channel for the informative and useful video! Your videos motivate me.
The part where Dogen looks up the thing in the dictionary right before exclaiming that he already knows that is the reason i dont trust any net "expert" lolol
Legit didn’t watch the video right away because I thought it was super in-depth and informative and I was too lazy for that, and then I finally watch it and get this
My favorite detail is that you've got the accent dictionary opened up *all the way to the rules* in the back. Like you didn't just check the word, you read a whole page of phonetic explanation before saying "of course I knew that".
Japanese pitch-accent and pronunciation lessons: www.patreon.com/dogen
Ah greet i don't have memory
Me before watching: "oh this will be informative and helpful"
Me after: "Why did I expect any different from Dogen."
We have been tricked, we have been backstabbed, and, quite possibly, we have been bamboozled
僕らはトリックされて、バックスターブされて、多分バンブーズールされていた。
Oh! For a moment I thought I found my self but no. 😂 I’ve the dame profile picture for my Apple Music profile 😆👍 in April I always remember her and my heart breaks again 😭
I really expected to learn something =. =
Not even gonna lie...I thought the same thing
We were both bamboozled 🤣
@@OrangeC7 I actually needed this, I've been doing this meme and spicing it up was just the thing to keep it fresh.
I feel like this is basically the internet when it comes to any topic
Except most of the times both sides are horrendously wrong
@@jiuncho4435 That seems true only to a person who is better than half of the online population, I have my doubts that includes you and I will give for granted you are just trying to find excuses to feel more intelligent
@@sardinhunt Stop being personally dramatic.
@@sardinhunt "give for granted"? Really?
@@kevinscales I didn't notice that lol.
extremely helpful, will never forget a japanese word ever again
I don’t remember the last time I literally loled at a TH-cam comment.
Yes,the Grammar. Why is Japan Grammar OCD
Hahaha! 😂 indeed!!
@@dumalun8388 Nah. I think that's every language when you go Proper or Formal.
@@dumalun8388 ocd syntactic word order or agglutination or poly synthetic vs analytical?
This is literally "When the two smartest kids get a different answer in one question"
Kinda like in Detective Conan when Conan and Heiji both solve the same case separately and through different hints.
*on one question
Actually, you wrote "literally", but you should have written "figuratively". (Yes, this is in theme with the video.)
@@Taric25 Actually, actually, literally has been in use to mean "figuratively" or just to add emphasis for literally centuries, figuratively would be unnatural and is only used by people complaining about literally. That means literally is used correctly here.
@@crediblesalamander8056 Words have been misspelled and used as malapropisms for centuries. Your logic is invalid.
Thanks so much for having me on!! I hope you guys enjoy the video as much as I enjoyed getting to make it 💪
Whether or not if Dogen or Matt sees this. I really want to thank both of you for inspiring me to really get into Japanese more with a greater degree of effort(I mean learning with immersion is much more fun now and is it really "difficult" to watch anime when you already have an interest?). So, if anyone gets around to seeing this, be sure to check out Matt and Dogen for continued ideas because they are super awesome people. Matt especially thank you for the ideas with immersion that has saved my life and made everything so much better during quartine(those ideas were God sent with help so really really thanks), and Dogen thanks for your funny content and super informative ideas with pitch-accent and everything. P.S. funny that this comment will become old, and I'll back be saying WOW that was a long time ago and my Japanese was mediocre but in the future hopefully it is awesome. So, future me and others keep it up and remember putting yourself into any Japanese is getting you better than you were yesterday!
@@landinburdeshaw995 future man here, how’s Japanese going
@@eresoup7229 Hey, yeah it's still going strong with a constant 2 hour approach with active immersion at least, and I'm taking a 70%-30% approach on what I want to work on between reading and listening skills(rotating when necessary). To be honest, I'm pretty off and on with Anki, but I give it my best shot. I just hope that someone who is thinking about learning any language can realize that you don't be a genius to be able to learn a language because I want to be the living proof of that statement.
@@landinburdeshaw995 king
@@landinburdeshaw995 The future is here again, how's it going?
If Matt says mattaku, does Dogen say Dogenaku
一を聞いて十を知るw
Goddamnit, barb
r/im24andthisisdeep
This is how black holes are created, just so you know....xD
まったく どげなく
This video was everything I expected it to be and also nothing like I expected, such a good video lmao
Took the words right out of my mouth. Also, fancy seeing you here 👀
Look at these guys flexing lol
This is not a flex. This is a cry for help.
they straight up roasted everyone of us....
lol? More like col (crying out loud)
LMAO was just thinking the same
This is the most passive aggressive video between two of the best non-native fluent Japanese speakers on TH-cam and I love every single thing about it. I need more!!!
In conclusion
1. When you are in conversation with a friend or in another situation, try to find words or sentences with the same meaning or the same pronunciation.
2. Remember the minor details including nuances, accents, or other.
3. Have a debate with your friend or maybe fight him, and associate these words with the experience.
There's a reason why English called fistfights "teaching someone a lesson" because there's no way you can forget that one long bruise up your lips
4. Settle your differences in a duel at noon
Even when on the same side, two people studying a shared topic can't help but devolve into nerd fights.
Wrong
Me being an absolute beginner and watching this:🤔
@@scottend5239 wrong?
That was me and my teachers in school, arguing about syntax... They used modern syntax, while I use archaic syntax... So while they would say "the brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" I'd say "the brown fox over the lazy dog jumped" although not exactly that sentence, and not in English, because English has a strict word order.. Since when would English use House yours instead of your house.
Well 1000 years ago, but that's not important... neither of us were wrong, but it was all about which version was the best.
@@dumalun8388 It was a joke, my dude.
Reading the title: Oh great, that is something helpful for me!
After the video: Alright then, keep your secrets :(
Making sentence cards in Anki, that is what Matt recommends.
It's still a new word to learn
Exactly, I was really looking forward to learning something, not some skit about how to pronounce things or way things are said.
If you want to know his method in more detail I recommend you watch his videos.
Also, there is his Japanese Quickstart Guide, which basically explains what you should do to start learning Japanese (including sentence cards of course):
massimmersionapproach.com/table-of-contents/stage-1/jp-quickstart-guide/
JALUP by Adam Shapiro is a great way to learn without having to make your own cards.
I feel like this video should be titled "Dogen and Matt deterring you from learning Japanese"
The video ends only because it starts coming to blows right after.
I thought this would be very informative, then I learned it was a joke and wondered why else I would expect anything else from Dogen. Then I realized, he was being really clever about hiding the tricks to memorizing Japanese words in the video.
1.) 0:09 - 0:13 - Learn the synonyms, and learn the little nuances that differentiate words. (0:26 - 0:39, 1:11)
2.) 0:14 - Repeat words to yourself to help remember them. (Maybe use SRS apps?)
3.) 0:41 - Learn pronunciation (incl. pitch accent) when you learn new words. (1:18)
4.) 0:56 - 0: 59 - Don't admit mistakes and deflect.
5.) 1:25 - 1:28 - When corrected again, pretend you knew it all along, then deflect.
5 stars. Probably the most insightful and practical guide I’ve found on how memory works particularly with language learning. Highly recommend for anyone looking to take that next step towards fluency.
I simultaneously love and hate this. This is my favorite. I didn't know Matt had comedy/acting chops! His expression was so smug at the end. Wait!
yeah he was great lmao
Seeing the title and the length I wondered how a language learning tips could be this short. 30 seconds in ... you got me there.
Ah yes Dogen has finally found someone to nerd banter with
Idk why but when Dogen's face when he said "知っているし" had me on the floor lmaoo
Thank you, I'll definitely use these 3 BEST ways to memorize Japanese words.
タイトル通りの内容を期待して開いたのがバカだった
How most conversations on Twitter go
This is like a Twatter conversation.
SO ACCURATE
Um, actuallly... I gotta stop you real quick here @DanVR. It's Twitter. Not Twatter. 😤
And I thought I was alone calling it twatter. And faecebook.
@@prog112 TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER
@@herpdederp6186 Fecesbook
God I love the running gag of fluent Japanese-speaking foreigners instantly comparing each other's Japanese and becoming increasingly defensive.
Art imitates life.
2人ともめちゃくちゃ上手くてびびったw
普段喋ってる時に考えないこと論理的に言われたら、賢くなった気分になる
Its just like a 日本 version of a unwritten big bang theory episode.
That was great.
Secret Info from Banter Achieved:
1) There are different ways to IMPLY the same thing (i.e. similar meaning).
2) When structure is considered, nuances matter. (i.e. in formal writing).
3) To Memorize, Expand your Vocabulary then Improve what you've come to know.
4) Develop your ear's senses to the nuance of specific phonetics, such as rendaku.
5) Slowly figure out Exceptions to the Rules.
This video sounds much more useful suddenly
btw with that order it should be oboeru nobasu and then kitaeru
Why can't I hit the like button more than once?
マジでこれ大好き。
Mattさんのうざったい喋り方とDogenさんのキレ方、どっちも日本語の雰囲気がリアルでおもしろい
quality educational content. please take my money.
I haven't forgotten a single word since watching this video
This might be the best video i have ever seen, thanks guys.
Wow, now I've memorized "単語の覚え方" and "語彙力の鍛え方".
This is the best! YOU LITERALLY FEEL THE RESULTS IN JUST LESS THAN TWO MINUTES!
I´m just floored by the level of proficieny in japanese in this 2 minute video. My biggest admiration for both of you!
And what's the morale: When memorising Japanese words prepare for phonetic dilemmas and well... You're learning for nothing because someone will tell you you should use something else anyway
nah you just dont know enough to differentiate yourself.
No, you are not learning for nothing because if you don't even know the basic grammar and vocabulary, then even with perfect pronunciation, you can't form a single sentence. It's just like having someone speak in an accent in English, their tone and everything will sound odd and foreign, but they are still speaking English nonetheless and phonetics is not something that one just memorizes. They can study it and learn about them, but to be able to accurately put it to use, you just gotta use the language more and interact with natives, and that just takes time
Always great to see you two together!
Every salad needs some beef and you just served it to us gracefully. Thank you.
Thank you for this video. Now I can show to people the best sounding Japanese speakers.
"The top 3 BEST ways to memorize Japanese words ft. MattvsDogen" is more like it
Yes, these were wonderful tips. There is no way that I would forget a word again.
ここまで流暢だとは…
すごすぎます
Thank you for this! The tips really worked and now I can memorize any new Japanese word!
This was a really witty idea and well executed. The acting, the editing, and the overall quality was outstanding. I would have loved to have seen some of the behind-the-scenes if there were any.
I learned a new word from this, so it worked. Didn't know 語彙力 beforehand.
I’m loving these comedic type collabs
Beautiful collab, I also loved how this wasn't full Japanese, but half English half Japanese. It really makes the video realistic haha
Thanks for the tips! The second method works the best for me! I've finally managed to memorize my Japanese dictionary along with the pitch accents :)
1:27これめっちゃすきwww
最高だね 草
Honestly this is the first time I see MattvsJapan actually speaking Japanese XD
「語彙力の鍛え方」と言う単語を教えてくれてありがとうございます
完璧だ! i wish I could give this two thumbs up!
This was not the video we wanted, but it was the video we needed.
As for me this was not the video I needed but for sure the video I wanted
Best crossover ever.
I've missed these advanced Japanese lessons so much.
this is basically the same as watching the 2 smartest kids in your classroom flex at each other to get the teacher's approval
meanwhile i'm sitting here like "huh, yeah, i know some of these words"
確かに「選ぶ」って例外だ！すげー！！
I forget every new word so of this works for me it will be life changing
Wow! That was awesome! You guys rock!
I have these exact conversations about semantics with my brother-in-law. We love messing with each other.
I’m very much into these Dogen - Matt crossovers. Keep them coming.
This was amazing.
This was such a fun collab to watch! Great work guys!
I was literaly studying japanese when this video came out xD ありがとございます
I genuinely thought this was going to be an informative video. Love it.
this was freaking hilarious, i would love more collabs from u two, 最高！
動画楽しんでみた後に、
ふと日本人やってるのが恥ずかしくなる時があるｗ
「日本人やってる」か？実在を描写する動詞なら「日本人である」となるだろう？
ww
Maaaan these guys🙆🏾♂️makes you want to learn even harder🙌
どうげんさんの重箱の隅をつついていくスタイル大好きです😂😂😂😂😂
This was hysterical!
I learned more with this video than in the past 3 years!
This was hilarious! Laugh out loud funny. I love how Matt became more dramatic sounding as the skit went on. This was kinda like a real life anime the way you two fought over such bizzaro things back and forth. Great content!
From it being a Dōgen video and only being 1:45 long I expected this to be a sketch. Didn't expect it to be a fight though.
No but... he does cover how to memorize... by example. He repeats himself, explains the concepts to a colleague, and compares the word with similar sounding words in a bit of a tongue twister to get used to the sounds. When you watch it over, the repetition helps as well. And since it's so short, you could study this for half an hour easily by connecting previous/outside knowledge. Very well done!!!
I forgot to add that he also uses visual elements and displays the important kanjis that he's teaching. For visual learners, this is helpful outright. For kinesthetic learners, rewriting kanji over and over will help more, but so will the appearance being according to when he's saying it. Guh, I'm nerding out a bit, but this is fantastic.
単語の覚え方(または語彙力の鍛え方)は、結局は「反復」(repeat)でしょうね。日本人(高校生、英語勉強中)より。
This is amazing
In my opinion, use the spaced repetition method which keeps words remembered for long term instead of short term
Outstanding video! Many thanks to the author of the channel for the recommendations! The problem with many people is that they want to take a "magic pill" or get "secret knowledge" and immediately have skills and abilities. However, the truth of life is that knowledge, skills, and abilities do not come by themselves. You can't learn a foreign language without doing anything, without wasting your time and effort, just like you can't learn to ride a bike lying on a comfy couch, listening to lectures and watching videos about "modern methods of learning" on a bike. To really learn something, you have to really practice every day. You're going to fall down while you're learning, and you're going to get bumps - that's normal! The ups and downs of learning are an integral part of our lives. Motivation from success and depression from failure will always be your study companions. However, every student has problems in his or her studies that he or she lacks the knowledge to solve. It can be: poor memorization of words; no progress in language learning; the student can speak, but does not understand speech by ear; misunderstanding of grammar; incorrect pronunciation, etc. Agree that a problem you don't know how to solve is very demotivating. In order to find the answer to our question we have to spend a lot of time to read videos, articles and books by polyglots. In today's world, we have to solve problems as quickly as possible. I don't have time to study and analyze a huge amount of information. My goal is to master the basic knowledge of a foreign language as quickly as possible and already start earning money effectively in the international arena. I settled on the practical guide by Yuriy Ivantsiv " Polyglot's Notes: practical tips for learning foreign language". This book is always in my bag. If I have a problem while learning a language, I quickly find the answer in this book. There are many different techniques and tips for learning a foreign language in Polyglot Notes. I have made my own individual schedule and plan for language learning. Now I know what I am going to study, how I am going to study, when I am going to study and what results I am going to achieve. No problem could stop me! With an effective language learning plan my professional skills are more and more in demand internationally every day. Friends, don't stop there! Everyone has talents that millions of people around the world need! Learn the language and make your ideas and dreams come true! Thanks to the author of the channel for the informative and useful video! Your videos motivate me.
「buで終わる動詞は平板、「選ぶ」がその例外」とか全く意識したことなかったな
すごい
I love these two youtubers
A productive conversation degrading in to frustrating nitpicking is the content we deserve.
Dude, I was sitting with the stupidiest grin all video.
That was amazing, ty guys
Were you reading the subtitles as you were grinning?
The part where Dogen looks up the thing in the dictionary right before exclaiming that he already knows that is the reason i dont trust any net "expert" lolol
Loved it 🥰🥰🥰!!!
Thanks a lot. At least I'll never forget the word "語彙力".
Wasn’t expecting this at 3 AM but it’s definitely welcome haha
10 AM here
3 pm for me))
It should only be 5PM in Japan rn
This was really really great 🤣
Was more useful than I thought it would be
You guys got me. genuinely thought this was a tip going in.
からかってる時のマットの表情が良い。
Super helpful! Thanks!
Legit didn’t watch the video right away because I thought it was super in-depth and informative and I was too lazy for that, and then I finally watch it and get this
ziziwai I watched it right away, and I really got very disappointed, I wish they have told us some good recommendations after the skit
My favorite detail is that you've got the accent dictionary opened up *all the way to the rules* in the back. Like you didn't just check the word, you read a whole page of phonetic explanation before saying "of course I knew that".
Thanks for the help 😃
memorisation has never been so easy
The kanji for horse 馬 was randomly in my dream....am I doing this right
Ye
めっちゃすき😂🍣🍣🍣
Matt’s “tch” really made this one of the best anime fights of all time
Of course...Dogen would do this