Oh! For a moment I thought I found my self but no. 😂 I’ve the dame profile picture for my Apple Music profile 😆👍 in April I always remember her and my heart breaks again 😭
@@Taric25 Actually, actually, literally has been in use to mean "figuratively" or just to add emphasis for literally centuries, figuratively would be unnatural and is only used by people complaining about literally. That means literally is used correctly here.
@@jiuncho4435 That seems true only to a person who is better than half of the online population, I have my doubts that includes you and I will give for granted you are just trying to find excuses to feel more intelligent
Whether or not if Dogen or Matt sees this. I really want to thank both of you for inspiring me to really get into Japanese more with a greater degree of effort(I mean learning with immersion is much more fun now and is it really "difficult" to watch anime when you already have an interest?). So, if anyone gets around to seeing this, be sure to check out Matt and Dogen for continued ideas because they are super awesome people. Matt especially thank you for the ideas with immersion that has saved my life and made everything so much better during quartine(those ideas were God sent with help so really really thanks), and Dogen thanks for your funny content and super informative ideas with pitch-accent and everything. P.S. funny that this comment will become old, and I'll back be saying WOW that was a long time ago and my Japanese was mediocre but in the future hopefully it is awesome. So, future me and others keep it up and remember putting yourself into any Japanese is getting you better than you were yesterday!
@@eresoup7229 Hey, yeah it's still going strong with a constant 2 hour approach with active immersion at least, and I'm taking a 70%-30% approach on what I want to work on between reading and listening skills(rotating when necessary). To be honest, I'm pretty off and on with Anki, but I give it my best shot. I just hope that someone who is thinking about learning any language can realize that you don't be a genius to be able to learn a language because I want to be the living proof of that statement.
This is the most passive aggressive video between two of the best non-native fluent Japanese speakers on TH-cam and I love every single thing about it. I need more!!!
That was me and my teachers in school, arguing about syntax... They used modern syntax, while I use archaic syntax... So while they would say "the brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" I'd say "the brown fox over the lazy dog jumped" although not exactly that sentence, and not in English, because English has a strict word order.. Since when would English use House yours instead of your house. Well 1000 years ago, but that's not important... neither of us were wrong, but it was all about which version was the best.
In conclusion 1. When you are in conversation with a friend or in another situation, try to find words or sentences with the same meaning or the same pronunciation. 2. Remember the minor details including nuances, accents, or other. 3. Have a debate with your friend or maybe fight him, and associate these words with the experience.
If you want to know his method in more detail I recommend you watch his videos. Also, there is his Japanese Quickstart Guide, which basically explains what you should do to start learning Japanese (including sentence cards of course): massimmersionapproach.com/table-of-contents/stage-1/jp-quickstart-guide/
I thought this would be very informative, then I learned it was a joke and wondered why else I would expect anything else from Dogen. Then I realized, he was being really clever about hiding the tricks to memorizing Japanese words in the video. 1.) 0:09 - 0:13 - Learn the synonyms, and learn the little nuances that differentiate words. (0:26 - 0:39, 1:11) 2.) 0:14 - Repeat words to yourself to help remember them. (Maybe use SRS apps?) 3.) 0:41 - Learn pronunciation (incl. pitch accent) when you learn new words. (1:18) 4.) 0:56 - 0: 59 - Don't admit mistakes and deflect. 5.) 1:25 - 1:28 - When corrected again, pretend you knew it all along, then deflect.
5 stars. Probably the most insightful and practical guide I’ve found on how memory works particularly with language learning. Highly recommend for anyone looking to take that next step towards fluency.
God I love the running gag of fluent Japanese-speaking foreigners instantly comparing each other's Japanese and becoming increasingly defensive. Art imitates life.
And what's the morale: When memorising Japanese words prepare for phonetic dilemmas and well... You're learning for nothing because someone will tell you you should use something else anyway
No, you are not learning for nothing because if you don't even know the basic grammar and vocabulary, then even with perfect pronunciation, you can't form a single sentence. It's just like having someone speak in an accent in English, their tone and everything will sound odd and foreign, but they are still speaking English nonetheless and phonetics is not something that one just memorizes. They can study it and learn about them, but to be able to accurately put it to use, you just gotta use the language more and interact with natives, and that just takes time
this is basically the same as watching the 2 smartest kids in your classroom flex at each other to get the teacher's approval meanwhile i'm sitting here like "huh, yeah, i know some of these words"
Secret Info from Banter Achieved: 1) There are different ways to IMPLY the same thing (i.e. similar meaning). 2) When structure is considered, nuances matter. (i.e. in formal writing). 3) To Memorize, Expand your Vocabulary then Improve what you've come to know. 4) Develop your ear's senses to the nuance of specific phonetics, such as rendaku. 5) Slowly figure out Exceptions to the Rules.
This was a really witty idea and well executed. The acting, the editing, and the overall quality was outstanding. I would have loved to have seen some of the behind-the-scenes if there were any.
This was hilarious! Laugh out loud funny. I love how Matt became more dramatic sounding as the skit went on. This was kinda like a real life anime the way you two fought over such bizzaro things back and forth. Great content!
Pov: you are in class, the teacher is gonna teach a new, interesting lesson but like usual the two smart kids spend the whole class flexing; resulting to you never learning anything again, like usual.
The part where Dogen looks up the thing in the dictionary right before exclaiming that he already knows that is the reason i dont trust any net "expert" lolol
Japanese people will not be so aggressive with correcting mistakes, so we foreigners have to compensate by chopping down each other’s hopes and dreams so that one day we may be closer to complete fluency
My favorite detail is that you've got the accent dictionary opened up *all the way to the rules* in the back. Like you didn't just check the word, you read a whole page of phonetic explanation before saying "of course I knew that".
Legit didn’t watch the video right away because I thought it was super in-depth and informative and I was too lazy for that, and then I finally watch it and get this
While the rest of you were laughing, I’ve been studying this rigorous, 効果的 and empirical method. Please use this summary of my meta analysis. I think it is especially suitable for training in becoming Japan’s next hokage: 1. Upon encountering a new vocab, pause what you are doing and mutter it under your breath repeatedly and as much as possible schizophrenically to commit it to memory, especially in the middle of conversation since that’s when it is most likely to slip away (0:15). 2. Make associations between like terms and seek to understand their nuances in order to use them most 適当に, such as the difference between 鬱 and 絶望. 3. Often, it is necessary to incite petty arguments in order to draw out useful tangential information that you had just forgotten (1:27). To this end it is morally and ethically permissible to do so. お疲れ様!
Japanese pitch-accent and pronunciation lessons: www.patreon.com/dogen
Ah greet i don't have memory
Me before watching: "oh this will be informative and helpful"
Me after: "Why did I expect any different from Dogen."
We have been tricked, we have been backstabbed, and, quite possibly, we have been bamboozled
僕らはトリックされて、バックスターブされて、多分バンブーズールされていた。
Oh! For a moment I thought I found my self but no. 😂 I’ve the dame profile picture for my Apple Music profile 😆👍 in April I always remember her and my heart breaks again 😭
I really expected to learn something =. =
Not even gonna lie...I thought the same thing
We were both bamboozled 🤣
@@OrangeC7 I actually needed this, I've been doing this meme and spicing it up was just the thing to keep it fresh.
This is literally "When the two smartest kids get a different answer in one question"
Kinda like in Detective Conan when Conan and Heiji both solve the same case separately and through different hints.
*on one question
Actually, you wrote "literally", but you should have written "figuratively". (Yes, this is in theme with the video.)
@@Taric25 Actually, actually, literally has been in use to mean "figuratively" or just to add emphasis for literally centuries, figuratively would be unnatural and is only used by people complaining about literally. That means literally is used correctly here.
@@crediblesalamander8056 Words have been misspelled and used as malapropisms for centuries. Your logic is invalid.
I feel like this is basically the internet when it comes to any topic
Except most of the times both sides are horrendously wrong
@@jiuncho4435 That seems true only to a person who is better than half of the online population, I have my doubts that includes you and I will give for granted you are just trying to find excuses to feel more intelligent
@@sardinhunt Stop being personally dramatic.
@@sardinhunt "give for granted"? Really?
@@kevinscales I didn't notice that lol.
extremely helpful, will never forget a japanese word ever again
I don’t remember the last time I literally loled at a TH-cam comment.
Yes,the Grammar. Why is Japan Grammar OCD
Hahaha! 😂 indeed!!
@@dumalun8388 Nah. I think that's every language when you go Proper or Formal.
@@dumalun8388 ocd syntactic word order or agglutination or poly synthetic vs analytical?
Thanks so much for having me on!! I hope you guys enjoy the video as much as I enjoyed getting to make it 💪
Whether or not if Dogen or Matt sees this. I really want to thank both of you for inspiring me to really get into Japanese more with a greater degree of effort(I mean learning with immersion is much more fun now and is it really "difficult" to watch anime when you already have an interest?). So, if anyone gets around to seeing this, be sure to check out Matt and Dogen for continued ideas because they are super awesome people. Matt especially thank you for the ideas with immersion that has saved my life and made everything so much better during quartine(those ideas were God sent with help so really really thanks), and Dogen thanks for your funny content and super informative ideas with pitch-accent and everything. P.S. funny that this comment will become old, and I'll back be saying WOW that was a long time ago and my Japanese was mediocre but in the future hopefully it is awesome. So, future me and others keep it up and remember putting yourself into any Japanese is getting you better than you were yesterday!
@@landinburdeshaw995 future man here, how’s Japanese going
@@eresoup7229 Hey, yeah it's still going strong with a constant 2 hour approach with active immersion at least, and I'm taking a 70%-30% approach on what I want to work on between reading and listening skills(rotating when necessary). To be honest, I'm pretty off and on with Anki, but I give it my best shot. I just hope that someone who is thinking about learning any language can realize that you don't be a genius to be able to learn a language because I want to be the living proof of that statement.
@@landinburdeshaw995 king
@@landinburdeshaw995 The future is here again, how's it going?
If Matt says mattaku, does Dogen say Dogenaku
一を聞いて十を知るw
Goddamnit, barb
r/im24andthisisdeep
This is how black holes are created, just so you know....xD
まったく どげなく
This video was everything I expected it to be and also nothing like I expected, such a good video lmao
Took the words right out of my mouth. Also, fancy seeing you here 👀
This is the most passive aggressive video between two of the best non-native fluent Japanese speakers on TH-cam and I love every single thing about it. I need more!!!
Look at these guys flexing lol
This is not a flex. This is a cry for help.
they straight up roasted everyone of us....
lol? More like col (crying out loud)
LMAO was just thinking the same
Even when on the same side, two people studying a shared topic can't help but devolve into nerd fights.
Wrong
Me being an absolute beginner and watching this:🤔
@@scottend5239 wrong?
That was me and my teachers in school, arguing about syntax... They used modern syntax, while I use archaic syntax... So while they would say "the brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" I'd say "the brown fox over the lazy dog jumped" although not exactly that sentence, and not in English, because English has a strict word order.. Since when would English use House yours instead of your house.
Well 1000 years ago, but that's not important... neither of us were wrong, but it was all about which version was the best.
@@dumalun8388 It was a joke, my dude.
In conclusion
1. When you are in conversation with a friend or in another situation, try to find words or sentences with the same meaning or the same pronunciation.
2. Remember the minor details including nuances, accents, or other.
3. Have a debate with your friend or maybe fight him, and associate these words with the experience.
There's a reason why English called fistfights "teaching someone a lesson" because there's no way you can forget that one long bruise up your lips
4. Settle your differences in a duel at noon
I feel like this video should be titled "Dogen and Matt deterring you from learning Japanese"
Reading the title: Oh great, that is something helpful for me!
After the video: Alright then, keep your secrets :(
Making sentence cards in Anki, that is what Matt recommends.
It's still a new word to learn
Exactly, I was really looking forward to learning something, not some skit about how to pronounce things or way things are said.
If you want to know his method in more detail I recommend you watch his videos.
Also, there is his Japanese Quickstart Guide, which basically explains what you should do to start learning Japanese (including sentence cards of course):
massimmersionapproach.com/table-of-contents/stage-1/jp-quickstart-guide/
JALUP by Adam Shapiro is a great way to learn without having to make your own cards.
I thought this would be very informative, then I learned it was a joke and wondered why else I would expect anything else from Dogen. Then I realized, he was being really clever about hiding the tricks to memorizing Japanese words in the video.
1.) 0:09 - 0:13 - Learn the synonyms, and learn the little nuances that differentiate words. (0:26 - 0:39, 1:11)
2.) 0:14 - Repeat words to yourself to help remember them. (Maybe use SRS apps?)
3.) 0:41 - Learn pronunciation (incl. pitch accent) when you learn new words. (1:18)
4.) 0:56 - 0: 59 - Don't admit mistakes and deflect.
5.) 1:25 - 1:28 - When corrected again, pretend you knew it all along, then deflect.
The video ends only because it starts coming to blows right after.
5 stars. Probably the most insightful and practical guide I’ve found on how memory works particularly with language learning. Highly recommend for anyone looking to take that next step towards fluency.
Idk why but when Dogen's face when he said "知っているし" had me on the floor lmaoo
God I love the running gag of fluent Japanese-speaking foreigners instantly comparing each other's Japanese and becoming increasingly defensive.
Art imitates life.
タイトル通りの内容を期待して開いたのがバカだった
Ah yes Dogen has finally found someone to nerd banter with
I simultaneously love and hate this. This is my favorite. I didn't know Matt had comedy/acting chops! His expression was so smug at the end. Wait!
yeah he was great lmao
Seeing the title and the length I wondered how a language learning tips could be this short. 30 seconds in ... you got me there.
Thank you, I'll definitely use these 3 BEST ways to memorize Japanese words.
I haven't forgotten a single word since watching this video
This is like a Twatter conversation.
SO ACCURATE
Um, actuallly... I gotta stop you real quick here @DanVR. It's Twitter. Not Twatter. 😤
And I thought I was alone calling it twatter. And faecebook.
@@prog112 TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER TWATTER
@@herpdederp6186 Fecesbook
Mattさんのうざったい喋り方とDogenさんのキレ方、どっちも日本語の雰囲気がリアルでおもしろい
Its just like a 日本 version of a unwritten big bang theory episode.
That was great.
"The top 3 BEST ways to memorize Japanese words ft. MattvsDogen" is more like it
How most conversations on Twitter go
Wow, now I've memorized "単語の覚え方" and "語彙力の鍛え方".
This is the best! YOU LITERALLY FEEL THE RESULTS IN JUST LESS THAN TWO MINUTES!
Why can't I hit the like button more than once?
マジでこれ大好き。
And what's the morale: When memorising Japanese words prepare for phonetic dilemmas and well... You're learning for nothing because someone will tell you you should use something else anyway
nah you just dont know enough to differentiate yourself.
No, you are not learning for nothing because if you don't even know the basic grammar and vocabulary, then even with perfect pronunciation, you can't form a single sentence. It's just like having someone speak in an accent in English, their tone and everything will sound odd and foreign, but they are still speaking English nonetheless and phonetics is not something that one just memorizes. They can study it and learn about them, but to be able to accurately put it to use, you just gotta use the language more and interact with natives, and that just takes time
I´m just floored by the level of proficieny in japanese in this 2 minute video. My biggest admiration for both of you!
this is basically the same as watching the 2 smartest kids in your classroom flex at each other to get the teacher's approval
meanwhile i'm sitting here like "huh, yeah, i know some of these words"
This might be the best video i have ever seen, thanks guys.
2人ともめちゃくちゃ上手くてびびったw
普段喋ってる時に考えないこと論理的に言われたら、賢くなった気分になる
Honestly this is the first time I see MattvsJapan actually speaking Japanese XD
quality educational content. please take my money.
1:27これめっちゃすきwww
最高だね 草
Secret Info from Banter Achieved:
1) There are different ways to IMPLY the same thing (i.e. similar meaning).
2) When structure is considered, nuances matter. (i.e. in formal writing).
3) To Memorize, Expand your Vocabulary then Improve what you've come to know.
4) Develop your ear's senses to the nuance of specific phonetics, such as rendaku.
5) Slowly figure out Exceptions to the Rules.
This video sounds much more useful suddenly
btw with that order it should be oboeru nobasu and then kitaeru
Thank you for this video. Now I can show to people the best sounding Japanese speakers.
Always great to see you two together!
Beautiful collab, I also loved how this wasn't full Japanese, but half English half Japanese. It really makes the video realistic haha
ここまで流暢だとは…
すごすぎます
Every salad needs some beef and you just served it to us gracefully. Thank you.
Matt’s “tch” really made this one of the best anime fights of all time
動画楽しんでみた後に、
ふと日本人やってるのが恥ずかしくなる時があるｗ
「日本人やってる」か？実在を描写する動詞なら「日本人である」となるだろう？
ww
This was a really witty idea and well executed. The acting, the editing, and the overall quality was outstanding. I would have loved to have seen some of the behind-the-scenes if there were any.
完璧だ! i wish I could give this two thumbs up!
Thank you for this! The tips really worked and now I can memorize any new Japanese word!
I showed this to my grandpa with dementia, it was so helpful he started remembering every english word he has forgotten.
This was hilarious! Laugh out loud funny. I love how Matt became more dramatic sounding as the skit went on. This was kinda like a real life anime the way you two fought over such bizzaro things back and forth. Great content!
Pov: you are in class, the teacher is gonna teach a new, interesting lesson but like usual the two smart kids spend the whole class flexing; resulting to you never learning anything again, like usual.
From it being a Dōgen video and only being 1:45 long I expected this to be a sketch. Didn't expect it to be a fight though.
This was not the video we wanted, but it was the video we needed.
As for me this was not the video I needed but for sure the video I wanted
I’m loving these comedic type collabs
Yes, these were wonderful tips. There is no way that I would forget a word again.
I learned a new word from this, so it worked. Didn't know 語彙力 beforehand.
Thanks for the tips! The second method works the best for me! I've finally managed to memorize my Japanese dictionary along with the pitch accents :)
「語彙力の鍛え方」と言う単語を教えてくれてありがとうございます
I just learnt 5000 words with this amazing 1:45 minute long video, AMAZING
The part where Dogen looks up the thing in the dictionary right before exclaiming that he already knows that is the reason i dont trust any net "expert" lolol
When the two smartest people argue in class
These two guys in conversation: "This isn't even my final form."
That ん、知ってるんし while looking it up got me laughing 😂😂👍🏽 you are a comedic genius
Wow! That was awesome! You guys rock!
I’m very much into these Dogen - Matt crossovers. Keep them coming.
This is the Japanese Linguistics version of two OP characters flexing on each other before a fight in anime.
I have these exact conversations about semantics with my brother-in-law. We love messing with each other.
「buで終わる動詞は平板、「選ぶ」がその例外」とか全く意識したことなかったな
すごい
Best crossover ever.
I was literaly studying japanese when this video came out xD ありがとございます
this was freaking hilarious, i would love more collabs from u two, 最高！
This was such a fun collab to watch! Great work guys!
Matt sounds like a naughty kid when he angrily speak Japanese lol
Dude, I was sitting with the stupidiest grin all video.
That was amazing, ty guys
Were you reading the subtitles as you were grinning?
Japanese people will not be so aggressive with correcting mistakes, so we foreigners have to compensate by chopping down each other’s hopes and dreams so that one day we may be closer to complete fluency
I learned more with this video than in the past 3 years!
My favorite detail is that you've got the accent dictionary opened up *all the way to the rules* in the back. Like you didn't just check the word, you read a whole page of phonetic explanation before saying "of course I knew that".
互いに日本語だけに話すのが始まるのときに、真面目になったね。
どうげんさんの重箱の隅をつついていくスタイル大好きです😂😂😂😂😂
I genuinely thought this was going to be an informative video. Love it.
I've missed these advanced Japanese lessons so much.
Wasn’t expecting this at 3 AM but it’s definitely welcome haha
10 AM here
3 pm for me))
It should only be 5PM in Japan rn
確かに「選ぶ」って例外だ！すげー！！
I forget every new word so of this works for me it will be life changing
Legit didn’t watch the video right away because I thought it was super in-depth and informative and I was too lazy for that, and then I finally watch it and get this
ziziwai I watched it right away, and I really got very disappointed, I wish they have told us some good recommendations after the skit
Maaaan these guys🙆🏾♂️makes you want to learn even harder🙌
A productive conversation degrading in to frustrating nitpicking is the content we deserve.
This was amazing.
ah yes the matt rivalry arc. looking forward to a phonetics battle on top of a moving train.
And now we need a native Japanese professor to do a reaction video to this.
While the rest of you were laughing, I’ve been studying this rigorous, 効果的 and empirical method. Please use this summary of my meta analysis. I think it is especially suitable for training in becoming Japan’s next hokage:
1. Upon encountering a new vocab, pause what you are doing and mutter it under your breath repeatedly and as much as possible schizophrenically to commit it to memory, especially in the middle of conversation since that’s when it is most likely to slip away (0:15).
2. Make associations between like terms and seek to understand their nuances in order to use them most 適当に, such as the difference between 鬱 and 絶望.
3. Often, it is necessary to incite petty arguments in order to draw out useful tangential information that you had just forgotten (1:27). To this end it is morally and ethically permissible to do so.
お疲れ様!
this hurts sounds like me when sleep deprived btw somone suggest tekisetsu instead of the raising commonity of half-arsed tekitou
Impressed with Matt‘s comedy acting skills. Good stuff
Loved it 🥰🥰🥰!!!
I watched this and instantly knew Japanese.
英語と日本語これだけまぜててガツガツ喋れるのすげえな。
memorisation has never been so easy
Bruh this video is just two guys flexing their Japanese on us.