The Mighty Munchen Cruiser Review | World of Warships Legends

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  • @jaymccarthy3818
    @jaymccarthy3818 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    German cruisers don’t need EoP to make their HE pen. They naturally have 1/4 pen compared to 1/6 for everything else. So Munchen naturally pens 37.5mm armor and it doesn’t get the malus that EoP gives.

    • @TbullGaming
      @TbullGaming  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's a good point, thanks for reminding me!

    • @gioshuecortes4319
      @gioshuecortes4319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      HE pen rounds up so it actually pens 38mm armor

    • @jaymccarthy3818
      @jaymccarthy3818 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gioshuecortes4319 thanks for that info I didn’t know how rounding works in this game so I always assumed it rounded down

    • @gioshuecortes4319
      @gioshuecortes4319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jaymccarthy3818 no problem! I left a more detailed description of dpm and such for muchen somewhere in the comments if you're interested in some more Muchen specific knowledge

  • @wubuck79
    @wubuck79 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love, love, love this ship. I run German ships almost exclusively and Nurnberg has always been my first love and tier-for-tier favorite ship, so this was a natural transition. Running my maxed-out Von Muller on it and just like Nurnberg, the ridiculous damage I can rack up with broadside AP salvos when I get the chance - even against BBs- is quite a shock to enemy players. Plus I’m averaging 7-9 fires started per game. I think I’ve bought my last premium.

  • @frenchmustard08
    @frenchmustard08 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is pronounced like myun ken! It is a city in Bayern, or Bavaria, in southern Germany. It is Munich in English. Really enjoyed your video, great commentary and skills on display. Will pick up this ship for sure!

  • @xxxxCronoxxxx
    @xxxxCronoxxxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im still playing with commanders for this ship, need to get my AL graf spee commander up to 12/2 to see what a max concealment build can get its detection down too. sofar at 9/1 and 16point gunichi mikawa i got it down to 9.8 surface and 5.1 air, although ingenious is a really good skill to have for this ship and im starting to wish more of the german cruiser commanders had that skill.

    • @jaymccarthy3818
      @jaymccarthy3818 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Using just a 15/2 Graf Spee and a 16/2 Mikawa my Munchen can get down to 9.3km surface and 4.7km air. Assuming it’s guns are DP it could easily have a kilometer of stealth AA and a CV literally can’t pull out if they are making an attack run.
      Maxing out Mikawa you can maybe shave that down to 9.2 or 9.1 surface. With Swirzki you can probably get to like 8.8.

    • @xxxxCronoxxxx
      @xxxxCronoxxxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaymccarthy3818 it has 2 twin DP turrets

  • @curbacz16
    @curbacz16 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The frame rate of your videos are pretty niceeee. Everything is super smooth in the video! :D

  • @xxxxCronoxxxx
    @xxxxCronoxxxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @6:00 ya with with the angle the shot is coming in at 11km the shot is coming in too steeply and bouncing off the side armor, but im pretty sure you would still be able to penetrate the cit through the deck armor if you got the aim right. as Jay McCarthy mentioned its HE has enough pen the practically pen anything thats not the belt armor or a turret.
    if you look at the armor viewer all the armor on the munchen is able to bounce 8" / 208mm shells with a belt and side citadel armor that can bounce any battleship grade shell it will come up against, however it takes a lot of HE damage if they aim high and any battleship shell with overmatch the upper side armor and the citadel deck armor of this ship and the citadel is high and particularly vulnerable towards the rear of the ship behind the first funnel, you dont want to be running away or kiting a battleship with this ship and the farther away you are from the battle ship the more likely a stray shell is going to hit where it needs to to overmatch your armor and citadel. if you play this ship wrong and or the battleships knows where to aim on your ship you will find your self getting deleted quickly and often. its like an atlanta with a higher skill floor but arguably a higher skill ceiling, also makes credits as well or better than an atlanta in my experience.
    played well this ship will slaughter other cruisers and destroyers but if you make any mistakes in this ship you will likely just die, especially once people learn how to shoot his ship.

  • @glynnwood3288
    @glynnwood3288 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good game, looks like it’s a ship that does well in experienced/good hands like the Tashkent. Very tempted.

  • @GoBirds1995
    @GoBirds1995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gonna buy this ship next pay day

  • @BigRedOne-xj8br
    @BigRedOne-xj8br 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This thing is Danae level squishy, but I have had some ripper games in it. Going to make my AL Hipper build custom for this. Great review!!

  • @stylovogelberlin
    @stylovogelberlin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    YES PURE LOVE NÜRNBERG AT T6 😍👍🍻

  • @Ser_Thelonius
    @Ser_Thelonius 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it. With lutjens it's got a max speed of 42 knots but definitely see a drop in fires and pens

  • @peteanderson2533
    @peteanderson2533 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was after a tier 6 "premium" ship that isn't a battleship. I have been advised to get this one. I reckon this review looks it in.

  • @bforseth
    @bforseth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not really a German Cruiser guy but it looks like a good ship for those people. I hope we can get a new Russian T6 cruiser at some point. Love the Molotov and Chappy but don't have the Kutuzov.

  • @l1f3syphon
    @l1f3syphon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep up the good work Tbull

  • @lillpete64
    @lillpete64 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reminded me of the dallas without torps of course

  • @OneShotSharrock
    @OneShotSharrock 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wasn't expecting it to be that good! Damn

  • @lancevandyke5678
    @lancevandyke5678 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the name BoogaardsFist. Not sure if you named it after the hockey player or not but that’s what came to mind. Rip

  • @jakesink77
    @jakesink77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    maybe a future tier 7 German light cruiser down the pike

    • @xxxxCronoxxxx
      @xxxxCronoxxxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i dont know if plan z hand any fictional plans for a light cruiser that would be better much less better enough to be put at tier 7

  • @DC-je4pm
    @DC-je4pm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have double rudder and full speed agility commander build on him. It’s fast and furious. Also you can see the crispy smoothness of the PS5 on show. Miles better.

  • @south_eagle1403
    @south_eagle1403 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey TBull is this video from your PS5? Congratulations btw. I will be getting mine next month 👍🏽

  • @bugsb70
    @bugsb70 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like this one will be added to the fleet

  • @mrwdpkr5851
    @mrwdpkr5851 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The rate of fire looks great .

  • @borbusmaximus7322
    @borbusmaximus7322 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid, really entertaining. I was wondering if you would ever play with your fans

  • @lukenukem1164
    @lukenukem1164 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm on the fence.
    Video quality look great BTW, less saturation now.

  • @Volksgenossen
    @Volksgenossen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would you say the AP is as effective as RN CLs?

    • @gioshuecortes4319
      @gioshuecortes4319 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      looking only at tier 6 Munchen has higher ap dpm than Belfast and Fiji (not per salvo alpha only dpm) but also less raw penetration and doesn't she have the improved angles nor the short fuse, so RN cruisers ap deals more consistent damage and Munchen has higher dpm. The ideal scenario to make the most out of Munchen AP is within 10km and a flat broadside.
      Assuming full pens, 100% accuracy and no damage modifiers:
      Munchen ap dpm is 360,000 and he dpm is 163,200 (keep in mind german HE has 1/4th he pen so it pens 38mm of armor which means she gets more consistent pens than others)
      Fiji ap dpm is 297,600
      Belfast ap dpm is 297,600 and he dpm is 201,600 (standard 1/6th he pen so it only pens 26mm of armor)
      Keep in mind Munchen uses German 150/55 which are found on Scharnhost and the Bismarck-class instead of the 150/60 found on Konigsberg and Nurnberg so she does have slower shell speed.
      Yes despite the lower gun amount she does have higher dpm than Nurnberg and Konigsberg and the only tier 6 with higher ap dpm is Atlanta at 367,600.
      I will emphasize again her AP is high damage but VERY low penetration, so those numbers are somewhat misleading, an ap overpen won't deal nearly the same damage as an he pen so it isn't brainless ap spam and the ap deals such great damage that using it in those ideal scenarios where you can get it to work it's going to be incomparable to other ships.
      At 10km without any modifiers Munchen has about 97mm of ap penetration, this is lowest in tier low and even lower than Konigsberg and Nurnberg which sit at 122mm at 10km and Fiji and Belfastv which sit at 121mm (without modifiers) so knowing when to use the ap is going to be important to get the most out of it.
      TL;DR MUNCHEN HAS AP BETTER DPM WITH LOWER PENETRATION, AND THE HE IS REALLY FUCKING GOOD AGAINST HEAVILY ARMORED TARGETS

  • @Thunderone22
    @Thunderone22 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thx Tbull I just got this ship from a free Fall crate 😂

  • @ThinkTank541
    @ThinkTank541 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Munchy laughs while people scream and are slowly chewed to bits and pieces.

  • @twbones99
    @twbones99 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    AP still slaps with lutjens

  • @ftlnetwork6067
    @ftlnetwork6067 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it worth 50 bucks? I was contemplating it but im a battle ship guy myself.

  • @danielnwosu3971
    @danielnwosu3971 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do want to point out that the recording looks better. Was there a tweak to it?

    • @TbullGaming
      @TbullGaming  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah changed up a few things, good to hear it improved

  • @roberthamilton6986
    @roberthamilton6986 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spartan said the AP is fantastic

  • @perfectpoochesllc2151
    @perfectpoochesllc2151 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best use for dubloons? Or the video where you might have covered this?

  • @carlycrawford2713
    @carlycrawford2713 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Muchen is amazing :p

  • @micha-elhorus5799
    @micha-elhorus5799 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So tbull, do you like It?

  • @lillpete64
    @lillpete64 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the ps5 a yuge difference and if so exactly how?

    • @TbullGaming
      @TbullGaming  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well keep in mind they're still optimizing the PS5 version of the game, but it definitely looks great

    • @TbullGaming
      @TbullGaming  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have to turn off the HDR for recording purposes since it isn't compatible with the streaming/recording software, so it looks better if you have that on than what is shown

  • @saturnsam7756
    @saturnsam7756 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    München is good but where is Mainz

  • @spence1813
    @spence1813 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this in your PS5?

    • @TbullGaming
      @TbullGaming  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah. I turned the HDR off since the colors were pretty saturated on the recording

  • @Omalley69
    @Omalley69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Use your spotter plane when in smoke \o/

  • @lillpete64
    @lillpete64 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As your looking around i most definitely notice a big difference from the ps4

  • @yannlaliberte8407
    @yannlaliberte8407 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    interesting

  • @joeboyd3274
    @joeboyd3274 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks fun, just got the dragon though.

  • @a_ni_ma_l
    @a_ni_ma_l 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Launch the plane in smoke 👍

  • @MrScArEy88
    @MrScArEy88 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Arena is worse than regular matches. These ppl will literally float around until the other teams take each other out or do a 6v1

  • @matthewriley4935
    @matthewriley4935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Munchkin

  • @jasonhester1294
    @jasonhester1294 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i find speed to be over rated. You can not go fast enough that i can't hit you. As far as the Mahan goes, people still don't exhibit good tactics even at T5.

    • @davefinfrock3324
      @davefinfrock3324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can go fast enough not to be hit. That's the point. With very quick rudder shift you can get out of the impact zone of incoming shot. The more speed the further you get from the impact area and the less chance you actually get hit. The downside is you give up offensive potential (though not that much) and end up with very substantial investments in the survivability commanders both for inspirations and legendary abilities.

    • @jasonhester1294
      @jasonhester1294 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davefinfrock3324 if you think you can go fast enough to not get hit then you haven't had the right people shooting at you. No one hits anything consistently at long range with the dispersion values but at the range at which most cruiser engagements happen 12-15 km the amount of lead that goes into the shot fits on the screen and you can't get enough wiggle in that amount of time to avoid substantial damage. It's like those little French destroyers that think I can't hit them at 45 knots. I can. It's not hard. That speed doesn't replace the utility of smoke for disengagement. Speed is good for chasing and flanking. It is not an adequate defensive measure.

    • @davefinfrock3324
      @davefinfrock3324 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jasonhester1294 You're not comprehending what's being said. It's not just speed. It's speed and manueverability. You can avoid shot clusters and it's not that hard, especially considering most who play haven't a clue what they're doing. Chasing salvos was a real thing and it did work. This is a similar concept--and it does work. Obviously, the closer you get the more difficult it is. It's simply another tool in the toolbox.

    • @jasonhester1294
      @jasonhester1294 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davefinfrock3324 no i get it. you're a good player. most people aren't (as you mentioned). speed does them no good. with more than 6000 games played i'm very accurate and i fire my shots individually if the target isn't close up. if you don't move you get hit, if you do move i'm going to bracket you. it's a constant barrage and i haven't found many people who can avoid it. it make for interesting hate mail. i'm sure you'll do fine. Everyone else is more likely to go "whee! watch how fast i go. Uh back to port"

    • @gioshuecortes4319
      @gioshuecortes4319 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like you haven't been playing against players that are skilled enough to use it, best way of tanking damage is to avoid it entirely