I played the Hela deck and got 3 8-cubes in a row, and I'm not a very good player. On one hand, I'm glad I can finally climb on the ladder, but on the other, it's not fun to play. Yes, I can beat the annoying move and bounce decks with 3 cards, but I don't feel good about it. I was pretty annoyed with the boring move meta (yes, it is a pretty skilled deck, but we all know what you are doing, and you're taking 5 minutes every turns), then the mirrors Agatha, now it's going to be mirror Hela. Snap haven't been fun or exciting this season. Like you, I'm taking a break.
I think that using activate to make an older and more accessible card like Hell Cow is interesting, but I can understand how it’s too strong. I would like to see them try it out with some other older cards to add variety to their play styles too! If you’re going to make the acquisition of good cards difficult for new or returning players (returning CL 5k player here) then why not redesign or buff up some Series 2 or 3 cards we all have?
Honestly I was hoping for more cards shifting to Activate, but Hell Cow is plenty exciting. Sword Master right now is a bit meh...I'm trying out some sort of Shuri Sauron mix with Black Knight and Sword Master to target Red Skull so that I have essentially two win conditions.
Thanks for the decks! I do feel that Hela decks do get a rough ride from the community, the effect of discarding your cards has to be worth it - it has a hard counter with clog, or a well placed Cosmo, just like every other archetype does. As Hela decks don't run any tech, it is possible to go over the top with Tribunal, or my personal favourite NegHawk, so I'll be trying to take advantage and get to infinite this week!
100% agree. Hela has never been the problem it's been made out to be. You don't have to like playing against it, but here's the hard to swallow truth about Hela decks. Everything it does is SUPER OBVIOUS, possibly the most obvious deck next to destroy. So, if you lose (especially when you lose big) to Hela, that's not the Hela player's fault. THAT'S YOUR FAULT. 😂 If everyone had just shut up about Hela it likely wouldn't have been tinkered with like it has and now, they gotta deal with this. Congratulations, bandwagon whiners, enjoy the new Hela! 😂 The sole reason Hela works is there's way too many people that don't know when to leave a game.
For your questions section: what types of decks are best for including lots of tech? I want to play a deck that has tech which answers a wide variety of meta decks. Eg my ideal deck would include Shadow King, Killmonger, Shang Chi, Enchantress/Rogue, Cosmo, Red Guardian, Juggernaut. But im worried i won't have a win condition.
@@innerchimp9783 Little bit of both honestly. You can snap if you have their wincons, and just save 1 or 2 slots for power like Ms. Marvel. I like slotting in Cable and Copycat since the info allows you to decide what tech cards to play on curve and what wincons you don't have to play around.
PulseGlazer had one a few videos ago, and I'm currently playing the Madam Web Spectrum list. My own is kinda bad since I'm missing a few key cards, but it looks something like: Nova, Shadow King, Armor, Cable, Scarlet Witch (can be Nocturne if you have her or Rhino), Lizard, Juggernaut, Killmonger, Shang-Chi, Enchantress, and Sera. The list featured a bit ago had Shadow King, Zabu, Symbiote Spiderman, Sera, Enchantress, Mobius, Killmonger, Ghost, White Widow, Ms. Marvel, Copycat and Shang-Chi iirc.
Hey Glazer!! Omg man, I checked Sizer's youtube channel, in his most recent video, first match he makes Derek retreat, then takes off his pants and plays in boxers or something winning all kinds of match ups, what a man LOL
Webb and cosmo is such a sick combo , teenage war head too . Have that plus thena package , Wiccan , alioth , magento , skarr, and others . I went from 78 to 91 yesterday it’s nuts. Snipe hela constantly lol
There will be something for Frigga for sure. I'm immediately thinking at a 16 power Human torch, Deadpool or some bounced 1 power nonsense, so you could play even on turn 5.
i agree with you, the change to hell cow is a problem. Like i said some vieos ago hela is fun if she is not dominant, like she seems to be right now. Nice to see a more playable black swan, hitmonkey maybe can shine now!
Hey, don't know if you saw that they also added text to Gorr who is an ongoing 6 cost -3 power that gains +2 power for each On Reveal card on the board. I think he looks like a huge powerhouse. Wanted to know your thoughts on him. Thanks for the great content!
I'm a returning player so I'm missing Blink. I wonder if I should get it for 6k tokens and buid the Hela deck. Or if I should save for Ajax or other future cards.
I played a non-Hela discard and I was kind of shocked on how consistent the deck was looking after all these changes, huge numbers without the usual risk/ lack of control.
The patch was pretty surprising to me and I think they will make adjustments to counteract this soon. I've always enjoyed playing Hela but it seems kind of a weird time to make these changes but maybe that's just because I ended up getting MW and was just thinking about move cards.
As for the patch I am fine with Black Swan & finally I can play Hell Cow too, even if Hela profit’s, I personally want to play more classic discard, Sword Master is kinda interesting.
Thanks for the video and decks! 😊 I think that it's an interesting patch, maybe i'll try Hellcow for a discard Apocalypse deck that i have, to see how good it is now. Have a very nice day! 😊
As someone who doesn't mind playing the Hela roulette game, I'm ok with the patch. Don't know that the changes to future cards were needed , but I will presume the designers know more than I do so happy to wait and see what happens. After this month, having a month or two with some more underwhelming cards might be good for my resources so long as the meta doesn't get stale...
No. A real Hela player would keep playing her even if she was weak. Sorry, I don't like playing cheesy strong Hela. I'll play Hearthstone until the next OTA 😂
I keep having issues with my move deck. Last night I har Arana played already. So I did the combo.. Iron fist… activate Arana… Human Torch… and then Ghost Spider.. I was expecting with this that Torch would move 3 times… but for some reason Ghost Spider didn’t move him, just the other two, she did nothing. There was space for Torch to be pulled before anyone asks. No clue why this keeps happening. Does Ghost spider considers Arana as a played card when we activate it? Cause Ghost Spider seems to fail after I activate Arana.
I know it’s not popular, but I love hela, and don’t mind it when it’s in the meta. When a hela is in the meta I just like to go over the top of it with a big combo deck
My thoughts on the patch are a mix of surprise and lack of surprise. What doesn’t surprise me is that they already told us Hellcow would be changed to an ‘Activate’ card, so it’s no surprise that Hela will see a big resurgence. What surprises me is that they kept Hellcow at 4/6 stats. I thought they would probably nerf him to 4/5 or even 4/4. Also, the SwordMaster change is definitely a plus.
Hellcow was a 4/8 so he’s already seen a nerf with the new activate keyword. 4/6 seemed pretty reasonable when i first saw it but time will tell if he needs another nerf or if other cards in the deck might need a look at.
About the patch, as predicted, Hell cow is now a 5 star card and a must have in deck for discard! I don't think activate should ever be in discard. Here is a question of the day from me, What do think if second dinner locking specific keywords with deck archetypes, like discard has on reveal but never activate?
I still can't believe the busiest man in Marvel Snap started a second channel on a different game! I think the patch is underwhelming and am disappointed that Hela benefits since I don't enjoy playing that or playing against it.
Interesting to see the Husky Hella opts to do wasp over Luke cage; Curious to see which version between that one swap may be best..gonna do Luke cause yeah anti affliction, but wasp does make me curious
Patch outside of the Hell cow change is pretty unexciting. Even the sword master change feels like it won't matter much. I think they need to do something to balance Hela, but at the same time it doesn't feel THAT powerful. I selfishly want Hell Cow for discard too
I do like enjoy playing hela well anything that can pull big nunbers e.g. panther zola, tribunal decks, negative. So kinda biased about the patch 😅. But with her making a comeback, clog will too.
Love you Glazer thanks for the content man. I agree Hela is horrible. But I’ve been running a Cosmo good cards Jean Gray deck and it just shuts down Hela.
I think the patch is fine. I love what they have been doing recently by reworking series 3 cards. Giving newer players strong options to play against players that have a bunch of series 4/5 cards. I've been handling hela just fine with C3. Cosmo is best boy!
Hela being broken is a problem. happy there is a counter. honestly I think they could keep cow an activate, but just make it discard 1. I feel like discard in general can just scale way too much.
I agree with you, meta is insufferable Thay make Hela too consistent by wanting to buff classic discard. I didn't see a single Hela discarded, literally zero. And you can Jubilee/Blink to find it if not in hand. Black Swan change is whatever, I really need those october/november cards
I don't mind Hela. I played it A LOT early in my Snap days. It's cheap and competes at a high level. But it's not a fun meta when Hela it's the best deck
@snapjudgmentspod in your opinion would he be worse than Jugg? I'm kind of sad right now, I spent my 3 keys last week and missed on Alioth each time, I've been after that card since he was broken and he has eluded me twice in spotlight
RE datemine after collectiong my thoughts Surtur: 100 percent they changed him because of skaar ever being meta is TOO good. Think about it for second you play surtur on 3 and you two other big dudes with his OG statline that's 3/11 making skaar free. And if you play skaar and about big dudes like red hulke he's 3/19! in addition to all your big dudes and play in 3 lanes most decks only carry can only use shang chi once. This with mocking bird nerf makes me fully believe that. Him being a up to a 2/11 seems a lot more fair Scorn: I was not interested in this card before and they side graded. Not getting it. Frigga: they swapped her and Malekith's spots but her week still is good with red guardian and copycat(crazy she's already getting a rerun) I've stated this in other forms like Reddit and in my discord with my friends who play Marvel snap, and on various YT comments about the patch, it was underwhelming. especially again those bundles and their prices
I agree it suck to be in a Hela Meta again. I will play much less now and just give 1 cube to Hela players when they snap. If they dont snap and I see myself having a chance then I will take a risk at giving them 2 cubes but they will.never get more than that from. If Hela players want to really climb they wont get that from me.
I wasn't a fan of the previous hela meta and won't be a fan now either. I definitely want SD to keep buffing underplayed cards, but agree with the issue of a casino-style deck having too much consistency.
no one says a desk is a flat surface with four legs. a desk is just a flat surface to do work on. how many legs it has isnt important to it being a desk or if it is slanted or not.
Patch is okay. I have submitted this is just how the balance team wants to do things. It feels like the goal is not to make the meta good/bad/balanced, but rather, it's to change the meta over and over.
Galactus is that way for me, I’m still salty about a patch note that said something to the effect of, well galactus is easy to counter but the meta hasn’t adjusted yet so we are taking a power point off to solve this issue, Like come on dude it’s a major problem but you just want to look the other way
“If you have three 3s in hand, I’m fine Lady Sif-ing with Hela in hand” - what does that mean? What are the other 3s? Never mind, I listened to the rest and you also said “If you have three 6s I feel perfectly fine” so I assume “threes” was a mis-speak.
I still think the Hell Cow issue can fixed by readjusting Hela. Even though they debuffed her w/the -2, the giant power cards in the deck are still too powerful. They need to make it so Hela can only bring back a few cards. Think of Magneto: He only affects 3 & 4 costs. Maybe make it so she does something similar on her resurrections. Then the Hela players needs to really work for their win instead of just slice everything and then drop her T6.
I dunno why he's tripping so hard on the Hellcow Hela deck. I'd say the War Machine/Storm/Legion thing is a way stupider cheese that needs to be addressed first. (That completely smashes Hela btw.) Also the bug where Falconing Ghost-Spider makes her not work when dropped again needs to be fixed ASAP. I played against Hela decks a lot yesterday and beat them often with standard Move by just outscaling her in power. As that Hela deck has no Shadow King / Killmonger / Shang-Chi tech cards, it's hard for Hela to compete with the massive overpower that pure move can generate. The Hellcow makes it an ok deck, but far from invincible. I think it takes Hellcow just to make Hela playable. I hope they totally leave it as is. Like all Hela decks it still depends on near-perfect runout, Lady Sif not targeting Hela even though 3 other 6-cards are sitting right there - which of course she always does, and the RNG of where Hela places cards even when you do draw her. What do you do when they snap and you still haven't drawn Hela yet? And as always, Cosmo, Leech, Alioth, etc. will rip the cubes right outta your Hela-loving hands. I don't think I'm worried about it. I really like that Move deck he showed balanced with Cosmo and Alioth tech. Definitely a well-rounded Move deck with some protection against Hela, Shang-Chi, Shadow King, etc.
@@snapjudgmentspod As I've gone on to beat Hela opponents with a winrate of decisively over 50% of those games since my original comment, I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one. The extra edge for me is how quickly you can recognize you're against her - often as soon as turn 1 when Black Cat discards herself. This allows you to easily retreat for only 1 cube when it's not going well, or force them into early snap situations that cost them extra cubes before they realize they're screwed. I say this as I literally just came off a game where we mutually snapped into me dropping Cosmo on their obvious lane choice and watching their Hela dreams flush down the drain. Easy 8 cubes. Yes Hela is powerful. But overpowered meta-breaking?? Not enough tough spots to keep her in check? You have all your cards drawn, Hellcow is in place, Hela is ready to go... and they snap back?? What do you do? Continue and pray that Leech or Red Guardian doesn't pop out next turn? They snap early and your needed cards still haven't drawn yet. Stay and hope for the best? You're against Move where they've setup to crush left and mid lane with Heimdall on Turn 6. You have no idea where your Hela RNG cards will go. Flip a coin? Iron Man, Onslaught are out, Tribunal is threatening to come. Can you hang? Mr. Negative and Jane Foster drop. Can you continue? They've played nothing but Arana and Symbiote and they snap. You have all the cards you need but can you compete with Black Panther and Arnim? Wong with Mystique is out. Of course your Magneto is discarded and won't return until it's too late to change anything. Do you go for it? And maybe best of all! - Turn 1 you drop Blade into Infinaut, or Black Cat discards, and they insta-snap. What do you do? Continue until you realize you're against a hard-countering Clog deck and are forced to retreat with your tail tucked between your legs? Are all those plays OP'ed as well? Should we whine like babies about all of that and just nerf everything? You have the right to your opinion of course, and I definitely don't blame you for finding Hela annoying. She's always been and always will be. But let's not go putting too much on it. Hela is far from a smothering meta-breaker even with Hellcow. Her play is telegraphed a mile away, her power output is matched or surpassed by several other decks, sufficient hard counters to her already exist, and she's one of the least fun decks to play as she's fundamentally a no-brainer cheese build. Again I reiterate the Storm/War Machine/Legion thing is way worse in terms of making the game less fun for everybody and needs to be addressed first. But of course I have no control for what people will "complain" about (everything and anything?) They already nerfed Sandman who wasn't even a big problem.
@@snapjudgmentspod I'm back here 1 week later where stats say that Hela hasn't even broken the top 10 decks in winrate or cube-rate. Soooo.... annoying, yeah. Meta-smothering? Hela Nope.
It's interesting to me that people find Hela so polarizing. Imo at least you know what's happening and can make a reasonable decision or counter play. I find Sandman, Arishem, and Junk FAR more toxic and unfun than Hela. My least favorite meta ever (not counting Arishem because that wins automatically) was Prof X Cannonball.
How do you play around big dumb idiots regurgitated randomly all over the board? It's boring to beat, brain dead to pilot, and warps the meta for the worse.
Had a blast against both Hela and War Machine with good old Tribunal. Super Skrull copies War Machine or Magik negates flood before it gets Legioned. The only counter is Magneto that pulls your Mystique away, but still I only lost about 2/10 against Hela
Do you think they under correct and kill Luke cage before addressing the cow? And if so are we in the free range meta? Blah. They had to know when making the cow this would happen. I just subbed corvus for cow and been running away with games
Kinda disappointed in this patch TBH, there's not a whole lot to be excited for (not many new variants, "meh" new cards [except Fenris Wolf but we already knew about him], etc.) How about a question: Is a hot dog a sandwich?
Can I just point out how BS it is that Blink has yet to get a rerun, especially now that hella is back to being meta, but we're seeing cards from the Eternals season getting reruns? Don't even get STARTED on that baron zemo 35 dollar bundle. That kinda pisses me off even as somehow who gets all the season passes. Also I play Black Knight in my hella decks an extra big dude you can revives with hellcow instead of wasp. Also RIP corvus glaive.
I think lockdown is the worst mechanic of the game of 3 locations . Wow I'm sick of playing Hela. I will not be caring what my rank is this season ...nor will I be playing often....as Hela and lockdown are all I see. :(😢
Not impressed With this patch. I mostly play decks for bounties so the majority of the decks i face are the ones you feature with alterations to fulfill bounties :). Good luck with your "dailies only" sabbatical.
They always roll out overpowered cards. Remember original werewolf,zabu etc. Early on we usually had to suffer a month or more before it was corrected. Hela/hell cow will only be around a week or so. The rest of the patch was just "bleh"
Hela is indeed now busted and I have the evidence. I had been stuck at rank 98 for over a week and used TLSG Hela list to hit infinite with a straight run of wins. I did win the roulette a couple of times in Hela mirrors and now in dumpster infinite I climbed from 3200 to 2400. I really am not a good player but the consistency is real! So on one hand I love this patch but do feel bad (playing Hela does feel dirty atm) it will quickly kill the game with mirrors.
So hela is broken but war machine decks with the location cheese is okay? Why is no one covering that? This community likes to be selective on what is considered broken or not.
To be fair off the top of my head War machine deck counters: Quake, legion, nacturn, scarlet witch, magic, storm on the flooding location, rouge, enchantress, negasonic, Jeff, war machine, cosmo, move decks can get lucky, junk decks can get lucky, Hela deck counters: alloth, and cosmo in the right lane with priority, War machine is clearly tellagraphed and at most you will lose 2 cubes to it, but hela is just a slot machine that wins 75% of the time and most of the time you should only lose 2 cubes to it but there’s a chance that the hela revive could go wrong, with the war machine deck you can see the lose almost instantly
you critisise hela deck but this move deck which easily gives 16 or way more power is perfectly fine because you like move , move decks are more insane than hela and they need nerfing too madame web and arana lolol yeah right not op at all is it .
I literally just lost four games in a row, three 4 cubers and one 8 cuber, with Husky's Hela list. Won zero. No short for this. I guess you gotta be real lucky and no skill player (*cough *cough JDMacDonaldinho *cough) to do well with it
I don't know about you'll this game used to fun every game was different now this game is just boring every week it's the same thing everyone plays the same decks or counters I'm tired of playing the same decks over and over I wish they would just release all the cards at the same time let people go for the cards they want first then the meta would be fresh mixed this now is just monotonous
@snapjudgmentspod all I see is some kind of move or discard every single game I wish they would release all the cards at once let people decide what card they want first
QOTD: What are your thoughts on the patch?
Also, the promsed Poke-link: www.youtube.com/@PulseGlazer-s6c
I played the Hela deck and got 3 8-cubes in a row, and I'm not a very good player. On one hand, I'm glad I can finally climb on the ladder, but on the other, it's not fun to play. Yes, I can beat the annoying move and bounce decks with 3 cards, but I don't feel good about it. I was pretty annoyed with the boring move meta (yes, it is a pretty skilled deck, but we all know what you are doing, and you're taking 5 minutes every turns), then the mirrors Agatha, now it's going to be mirror Hela. Snap haven't been fun or exciting this season. Like you, I'm taking a break.
Hell/Hela is going to be unleashed. There's no risk anymore just reward. Let's see that counter deck
The worst are the bugs, that kill playstyles.
I think that using activate to make an older and more accessible card like Hell Cow is interesting, but I can understand how it’s too strong.
I would like to see them try it out with some other older cards to add variety to their play styles too! If you’re going to make the acquisition of good cards difficult for new or returning players (returning CL 5k player here) then why not redesign or buff up some Series 2 or 3 cards we all have?
Honestly I was hoping for more cards shifting to Activate, but Hell Cow is plenty exciting. Sword Master right now is a bit meh...I'm trying out some sort of Shuri Sauron mix with Black Knight and Sword Master to target Red Skull so that I have essentially two win conditions.
Thanks for the decks! I do feel that Hela decks do get a rough ride from the community, the effect of discarding your cards has to be worth it - it has a hard counter with clog, or a well placed Cosmo, just like every other archetype does. As Hela decks don't run any tech, it is possible to go over the top with Tribunal, or my personal favourite NegHawk, so I'll be trying to take advantage and get to infinite this week!
100% agree. Hela has never been the problem it's been made out to be. You don't have to like playing against it, but here's the hard to swallow truth about Hela decks. Everything it does is SUPER OBVIOUS, possibly the most obvious deck next to destroy. So, if you lose (especially when you lose big) to Hela, that's not the Hela player's fault. THAT'S YOUR FAULT. 😂 If everyone had just shut up about Hela it likely wouldn't have been tinkered with like it has and now, they gotta deal with this. Congratulations, bandwagon whiners, enjoy the new Hela! 😂 The sole reason Hela works is there's way too many people that don't know when to leave a game.
31:37 love the learning with glazer section
For your questions section: what types of decks are best for including lots of tech?
I want to play a deck that has tech which answers a wide variety of meta decks. Eg my ideal deck would include Shadow King, Killmonger, Shang Chi, Enchantress/Rogue, Cosmo, Red Guardian, Juggernaut. But im worried i won't have a win condition.
Sera!
@@snapjudgmentspod But what's my win condition? Or is stopping their win condition my win condition?
@innerchimp9783 usually Ms. Marvel
@@innerchimp9783 Little bit of both honestly. You can snap if you have their wincons, and just save 1 or 2 slots for power like Ms. Marvel. I like slotting in Cable and Copycat since the info allows you to decide what tech cards to play on curve and what wincons you don't have to play around.
PulseGlazer had one a few videos ago, and I'm currently playing the Madam Web Spectrum list. My own is kinda bad since I'm missing a few key cards, but it looks something like:
Nova, Shadow King, Armor, Cable, Scarlet Witch (can be Nocturne if you have her or Rhino), Lizard, Juggernaut, Killmonger, Shang-Chi, Enchantress, and Sera.
The list featured a bit ago had Shadow King, Zabu, Symbiote Spiderman, Sera, Enchantress, Mobius, Killmonger, Ghost, White Widow, Ms. Marvel, Copycat and Shang-Chi iirc.
The Drac/Monkey deck is a blast to play and is surprisingly strong.
Hey Glazer!! Omg man, I checked Sizer's youtube channel, in his most recent video, first match he makes Derek retreat, then takes off his pants and plays in boxers or something winning all kinds of match ups, what a man LOL
“You’re describing perceived and anecdotal categories, not facts…” leading into defining a desk is how I’m gonna answer this stuff from now on 👌🙏🖤
Webb and cosmo is such a sick combo , teenage war head too . Have that plus thena package , Wiccan , alioth , magento , skarr, and others . I went from 78 to 91 yesterday it’s nuts. Snipe hela constantly lol
The decks featured on today's episode are especially delicious.
There will be something for Frigga for sure. I'm immediately thinking at a 16 power Human torch, Deadpool or some bounced 1 power nonsense, so you could play even on turn 5.
i agree with you, the change to hell cow is a problem. Like i said some vieos ago hela is fun if she is not dominant, like she seems to be right now. Nice to see a more playable black swan, hitmonkey maybe can shine now!
btw I always thought ketchup was more of the technique to make it, that's why there are different ketchups. Tomato ketchup isn't the only ketchup
Fair point!
Hey, don't know if you saw that they also added text to Gorr who is an ongoing 6 cost -3 power that gains +2 power for each On Reveal card on the board. I think he looks like a huge powerhouse. Wanted to know your thoughts on him. Thanks for the great content!
He was last update but yes he's very strong
I'm a returning player so I'm missing Blink. I wonder if I should get it for 6k tokens and buid the Hela deck. Or if I should save for Ajax or other future cards.
I played a non-Hela discard and I was kind of shocked on how consistent the deck was looking after all these changes, huge numbers without the usual risk/ lack of control.
The patch was pretty surprising to me and I think they will make adjustments to counteract this soon. I've always enjoyed playing Hela but it seems kind of a weird time to make these changes but maybe that's just because I ended up getting MW and was just thinking about move cards.
As for the patch I am fine with Black Swan & finally I can play Hell Cow too, even if Hela profit’s, I personally want to play more classic discard, Sword Master is kinda interesting.
Thanks for the video and decks! 😊 I think that it's an interesting patch, maybe i'll try Hellcow for a discard Apocalypse deck that i have, to see how good it is now. Have a very nice day! 😊
Got a question, which card would spend your tokens on - US Agent, Ajax, or Thena?
I’m excited for this patch. I think there’s a lot of potential to Black Swan
As someone who doesn't mind playing the Hela roulette game, I'm ok with the patch. Don't know that the changes to future cards were needed , but I will presume the designers know more than I do so happy to wait and see what happens. After this month, having a month or two with some more underwhelming cards might be good for my resources so long as the meta doesn't get stale...
No. A real Hela player would keep playing her even if she was weak.
Sorry, I don't like playing cheesy strong Hela. I'll play Hearthstone until the next OTA 😂
I keep having issues with my move deck. Last night I har Arana played already. So I did the combo.. Iron fist… activate Arana… Human Torch… and then Ghost Spider.. I was expecting with this that Torch would move 3 times… but for some reason Ghost Spider didn’t move him, just the other two, she did nothing. There was space for Torch to be pulled before anyone asks. No clue why this keeps happening.
Does Ghost spider considers Arana as a played card when we activate it? Cause Ghost Spider seems to fail after I activate Arana.
Anyone can help?
Try asking the devs in the discord, or bug reporting. Ghost spider is definitely bugged right now with Sinister London, but I dunno about the rest.
I know it’s not popular, but I love hela, and don’t mind it when it’s in the meta. When a hela is in the meta I just like to go over the top of it with a big combo deck
I've had a lot of success against Hela with move bounce, even with the ghost spider bug.
Would you say arana is worth buying with tokens? even though she doesn't work with brood or bp?
It's early
My thoughts on the patch are a mix of surprise and lack of surprise.
What doesn’t surprise me is that they already told us Hellcow would be changed to an ‘Activate’ card, so it’s no surprise that Hela will see a big resurgence.
What surprises me is that they kept Hellcow at 4/6 stats. I thought they would probably nerf him to 4/5 or even 4/4.
Also, the SwordMaster change is definitely a plus.
Hellcow was a 4/8 so he’s already seen a nerf with the new activate keyword. 4/6 seemed pretty reasonable when i first saw it but time will tell if he needs another nerf or if other cards in the deck might need a look at.
Frigga mockingbird seems good
About the patch, as predicted, Hell cow is now a 5 star card and a must have in deck for discard! I don't think activate should ever be in discard.
Here is a question of the day from me, What do think if second dinner locking specific keywords with deck archetypes, like discard has on reveal but never activate?
Whats the main use for Wasp, subbing that in over drac or luke seems a bit weird, can anyone explain it to me?
To play with blink, to counter jean
I still can't believe the busiest man in Marvel Snap started a second channel on a different game!
I think the patch is underwhelming and am disappointed that Hela benefits since I don't enjoy playing that or playing against it.
Interesting to see the Husky Hella opts to do wasp over Luke cage; Curious to see which version between that one swap may be best..gonna do Luke cause yeah anti affliction, but wasp does make me curious
If I don't have Blink, Lockjaw could be a good alternative on the Hela deck? Or what else?
Just LJ really
Awesome, the metabreaker is clog 😮💨
For The Replacements deck, I think StrongGuy is better over Bishop solely for the surprise factor.
:( I don't have bob and Martyr made me lose couple of games and they were already mine :( I dont know what to use instead ?
Patch outside of the Hell cow change is pretty unexciting. Even the sword master change feels like it won't matter much. I think they need to do something to balance Hela, but at the same time it doesn't feel THAT powerful. I selfishly want Hell Cow for discard too
Don’t particularly like Ketchup!?! Blasphemy! 😂😂😂
I do like enjoy playing hela well anything that can pull big nunbers e.g. panther zola, tribunal decks, negative. So kinda biased about the patch 😅. But with her making a comeback, clog will too.
maybe frigga could be cool with a medium sized deadpool?
Always happy when there are viable non-whale decks! Hela lives again!!
Love you Glazer thanks for the content man. I agree Hela is horrible. But I’ve been running a Cosmo good cards Jean Gray deck and it just shuts down Hela.
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I think the patch is fine. I love what they have been doing recently by reworking series 3 cards. Giving newer players strong options to play against players that have a bunch of series 4/5 cards. I've been handling hela just fine with C3. Cosmo is best boy!
Hela being broken is a problem. happy there is a counter. honestly I think they could keep cow an activate, but just make it discard 1. I feel like discard in general can just scale way too much.
I agree with you, meta is insufferable Thay make Hela too consistent by wanting to buff classic discard. I didn't see a single Hela discarded, literally zero. And you can Jubilee/Blink to find it if not in hand.
Black Swan change is whatever, I really need those october/november cards
Considering that I was tired if the previous meta. I'm fine with this. At least I know how to play against Hela.
The patch feels meh but I'm excited to test the cards regardless
What purpose does wasp serve in the husky hela deck?
Explained in the vid. You can Blink it or manipulate your hand with it
It's also to play Hela against Jean Cosmo and maybe protection against silver samurai
Yes you are ❤
I don't mind Hela. I played it A LOT early in my Snap days. It's cheap and competes at a high level. But it's not a fun meta when Hela it's the best deck
Can cannonball be in place of alioth or Juggernaut?
Worth a try
@snapjudgmentspod in your opinion would he be worse than Jugg? I'm kind of sad right now, I spent my 3 keys last week and missed on Alioth each time, I've been after that card since he was broken and he has eluded me twice in spotlight
@snapjudgmentspod NM, disregard that, lol. My brain wasn't functioning properly. The whole point is to bounce help to cosmo and stop the trigger.
@ajosteen5077 I think worse in a hela meta
Hela? Meet my buddy, Leech.
RE datemine after collectiong my thoughts
Surtur: 100 percent they changed him because of skaar ever being meta is TOO good. Think about it for second you play surtur on 3 and you two other big dudes with his OG statline that's 3/11 making skaar free. And if you play skaar and about big dudes like red hulke he's 3/19! in addition to all your big dudes and play in 3 lanes most decks only carry can only use shang chi once. This with mocking bird nerf makes me fully believe that. Him being a up to a 2/11 seems a lot more fair
Scorn: I was not interested in this card before and they side graded. Not getting it.
Frigga: they swapped her and Malekith's spots but her week still is good with red guardian and copycat(crazy she's already getting a rerun)
I've stated this in other forms like Reddit and in my discord with my friends who play Marvel snap, and on various YT comments about the patch, it was underwhelming. especially again those bundles and their prices
Hot take: I dont think Hela is broken. Move and the other points decks out points her.
hela is a deck that the game needs, but it must be winnable. maybe -3
Great patch! but too bad everyone is playing Hela now...
I agree it suck to be in a Hela Meta again. I will play much less now and just give 1 cube to Hela players when they snap. If they dont snap and I see myself having a chance then I will take a risk at giving them 2 cubes but they will.never get more than that from. If Hela players want to really climb they wont get that from me.
So anyone got jeets updated phoenix force list??
Soon
Frigga could be good with daken
I wasn't a fan of the previous hela meta and won't be a fan now either. I definitely want SD to keep buffing underplayed cards, but agree with the issue of a casino-style deck having too much consistency.
Hey Pre nerf Taskmaster because it could be scary, but lets make hela more consistant should be fine to down side whats so ever...
Why is wasp in the hela list?
Explained in the vid no?
Nooo dont fix hellcow, take hela out and let regular discard be fun
What if I don't have blink
Full video has card replacements
run lockjaw
@snapjudgmentspod sorry saw that after my comment but unfortunately somehow I don't have lock jaw either
no one says a desk is a flat surface with four legs. a desk is just a flat surface to do work on. how many legs it has isnt important to it being a desk or if it is slanted or not.
I like the Ajax idea but it’s hela…
Idk why they don’t just leave Hela in an okay spot, her becoming op every once in a while is annoying.
Patch is okay. I have submitted this is just how the balance team wants to do things. It feels like the goal is not to make the meta good/bad/balanced, but rather, it's to change the meta over and over.
I think Arishem is the biggest mistake they've made. Seems more level now, but i will die on this hill. Hate Arishem haha.
Galactus is that way for me, I’m still salty about a patch note that said something to the effect of, well galactus is easy to counter but the meta hasn’t adjusted yet so we are taking a power point off to solve this issue,
Like come on dude it’s a major problem but you just want to look the other way
Why wasp in hela deck?
Explained in the vid
I'm not terribly excited by the patch. Hela has me frightened of a stale meta.
Comments for the Al Gore Theorem!
I like HELA - I am a Hela Enjoyer XD I was playing a lot Agatha Hela decks. I am fine with the patch, I wish we get the old HELA back :D I AM SORRY
Praise Hela. Glad shes back!
“If you have three 3s in hand, I’m fine Lady Sif-ing with Hela in hand” - what does that mean? What are the other 3s?
Never mind, I listened to the rest and you also said “If you have three 6s I feel perfectly fine” so I assume “threes” was a mis-speak.
Yup sorry
I still think the Hell Cow issue can fixed by readjusting Hela. Even though they debuffed her w/the -2, the giant power cards in the deck are still too powerful. They need to make it so Hela can only bring back a few cards. Think of Magneto: He only affects 3 & 4 costs. Maybe make it so she does something similar on her resurrections. Then the Hela players needs to really work for their win instead of just slice everything and then drop her T6.
I dunno why he's tripping so hard on the Hellcow Hela deck. I'd say the War Machine/Storm/Legion thing is a way stupider cheese that needs to be addressed first. (That completely smashes Hela btw.) Also the bug where Falconing Ghost-Spider makes her not work when dropped again needs to be fixed ASAP.
I played against Hela decks a lot yesterday and beat them often with standard Move by just outscaling her in power. As that Hela deck has no Shadow King / Killmonger / Shang-Chi tech cards, it's hard for Hela to compete with the massive overpower that pure move can generate. The Hellcow makes it an ok deck, but far from invincible. I think it takes Hellcow just to make Hela playable. I hope they totally leave it as is.
Like all Hela decks it still depends on near-perfect runout, Lady Sif not targeting Hela even though 3 other 6-cards are sitting right there - which of course she always does, and the RNG of where Hela places cards even when you do draw her. What do you do when they snap and you still haven't drawn Hela yet? And as always, Cosmo, Leech, Alioth, etc. will rip the cubes right outta your Hela-loving hands. I don't think I'm worried about it. I really like that Move deck he showed balanced with Cosmo and Alioth tech. Definitely a well-rounded Move deck with some protection against Hela, Shang-Chi, Shadow King, etc.
Saving this for a week from now when Hela is clearly tier 1 and everyone's complaining
@@snapjudgmentspod As I've gone on to beat Hela opponents with a winrate of decisively over 50% of those games since my original comment, I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one. The extra edge for me is how quickly you can recognize you're against her - often as soon as turn 1 when Black Cat discards herself. This allows you to easily retreat for only 1 cube when it's not going well, or force them into early snap situations that cost them extra cubes before they realize they're screwed. I say this as I literally just came off a game where we mutually snapped into me dropping Cosmo on their obvious lane choice and watching their Hela dreams flush down the drain. Easy 8 cubes.
Yes Hela is powerful. But overpowered meta-breaking?? Not enough tough spots to keep her in check?
You have all your cards drawn, Hellcow is in place, Hela is ready to go... and they snap back?? What do you do? Continue and pray that Leech or Red Guardian doesn't pop out next turn? They snap early and your needed cards still haven't drawn yet. Stay and hope for the best? You're against Move where they've setup to crush left and mid lane with Heimdall on Turn 6. You have no idea where your Hela RNG cards will go. Flip a coin? Iron Man, Onslaught are out, Tribunal is threatening to come. Can you hang? Mr. Negative and Jane Foster drop. Can you continue? They've played nothing but Arana and Symbiote and they snap. You have all the cards you need but can you compete with Black Panther and Arnim? Wong with Mystique is out. Of course your Magneto is discarded and won't return until it's too late to change anything. Do you go for it?
And maybe best of all! - Turn 1 you drop Blade into Infinaut, or Black Cat discards, and they insta-snap. What do you do? Continue until you realize you're against a hard-countering Clog deck and are forced to retreat with your tail tucked between your legs?
Are all those plays OP'ed as well? Should we whine like babies about all of that and just nerf everything?
You have the right to your opinion of course, and I definitely don't blame you for finding Hela annoying. She's always been and always will be. But let's not go putting too much on it. Hela is far from a smothering meta-breaker even with Hellcow. Her play is telegraphed a mile away, her power output is matched or surpassed by several other decks, sufficient hard counters to her already exist, and she's one of the least fun decks to play as she's fundamentally a no-brainer cheese build.
Again I reiterate the Storm/War Machine/Legion thing is way worse in terms of making the game less fun for everybody and needs to be addressed first. But of course I have no control for what people will "complain" about (everything and anything?) They already nerfed Sandman who wasn't even a big problem.
@@snapjudgmentspod I'm back here 1 week later where stats say that Hela hasn't even broken the top 10 decks in winrate or cube-rate. Soooo.... annoying, yeah. Meta-smothering? Hela Nope.
@Devillionaire junk took it out of top meta
@Devillionaire that's... Not how people play snap?
my personal brew was sizer move but cosmo was 2099, crazy how similar minds work sometimes
It's interesting to me that people find Hela so polarizing. Imo at least you know what's happening and can make a reasonable decision or counter play. I find Sandman, Arishem, and Junk FAR more toxic and unfun than Hela. My least favorite meta ever (not counting Arishem because that wins automatically) was Prof X Cannonball.
How do you play around big dumb idiots regurgitated randomly all over the board? It's boring to beat, brain dead to pilot, and warps the meta for the worse.
Had a blast against both Hela and War Machine with good old Tribunal. Super Skrull copies War Machine or Magik negates flood before it gets Legioned. The only counter is Magneto that pulls your Mystique away, but still I only lost about 2/10 against Hela
You can nerf hela by making cosmo a 3/4😂
Do you think they under correct and kill Luke cage before addressing the cow? And if so are we in the free range meta? Blah. They had to know when making the cow this would happen. I just subbed corvus for cow and been running away with games
Well we got rid of Hela being OP just to bring it right back and make it even stronger. The hell cow is insane.
QOTD:
WHY DID THEY BREAK IRON FIST TORCH GHOST SPIDER FALCON!!!
Are you talking about the bug?
@@snapjudgmentspod 100% yes.
Because it's a bug
Kinda disappointed in this patch TBH, there's not a whole lot to be excited for (not many new variants, "meh" new cards [except Fenris Wolf but we already knew about him], etc.)
How about a question: Is a hot dog a sandwich?
Can I just point out how BS it is that Blink has yet to get a rerun, especially now that hella is back to being meta, but we're seeing cards from the Eternals season getting reruns? Don't even get STARTED on that baron zemo 35 dollar bundle. That kinda pisses me off even as somehow who gets all the season passes. Also I play Black Knight in my hella decks an extra big dude you can revives with hellcow instead of wasp. Also RIP corvus glaive.
I think lockdown is the worst mechanic of the game of 3 locations . Wow I'm sick of playing Hela. I will not be caring what my rank is this season ...nor will I be playing often....as Hela and lockdown are all I see. :(😢
Finally. Am I the first to comment on this??
Way to go!
I HATE Hela. Whenever the card is good the meta is horrible and we just had a great meta yesterday. I really want her to have a new ability.
100% agree
Hela is my favorite deck haha
@@DisgruntldMonky I have no skill, and a crippling gambling addiction
-disgruntldMonky 😂😂😂
Hey on this channel people can like whatever they like
And here I was ready to play Arana and do some busted move stuff smh… Then here comes Hela like “Good job wasting your keys” smh
Move is the only thing that has felt good into Hela
Not impressed With this patch. I mostly play decks for bounties so the majority of the decks i face are the ones you feature with alterations to fulfill bounties :).
Good luck with your "dailies only" sabbatical.
They always roll out overpowered cards. Remember original werewolf,zabu etc. Early on we usually had to suffer a month or more before it was corrected. Hela/hell cow will only be around a week or so. The rest of the patch was just "bleh"
Leave hell cow alone, im finally winning haha.
What's the point of wasp?
Blink and counter jean
Hela is indeed now busted and I have the evidence. I had been stuck at rank 98 for over a week and used TLSG Hela list to hit infinite with a straight run of wins. I did win the roulette a couple of times in Hela mirrors and now in dumpster infinite I climbed from 3200 to 2400. I really am not a good player but the consistency is real! So on one hand I love this patch but do feel bad (playing Hela does feel dirty atm) it will quickly kill the game with mirrors.
I’m not a fan of the update as there is too much Hela now.
So hela is broken but war machine decks with the location cheese is okay? Why is no one covering that? This community likes to be selective on what is considered broken or not.
Amen
Agreed
To be fair off the top of my head
War machine deck counters:
Quake, legion, nacturn, scarlet witch, magic, storm on the flooding location, rouge, enchantress, negasonic, Jeff, war machine, cosmo, move decks can get lucky, junk decks can get lucky,
Hela deck counters: alloth, and cosmo in the right lane with priority,
War machine is clearly tellagraphed and at most you will lose 2 cubes to it, but hela is just a slot machine that wins 75% of the time and most of the time you should only lose 2 cubes to it but there’s a chance that the hela revive could go wrong, with the war machine deck you can see the lose almost instantly
Why Wasp is in Hela ? Black knight mby?
They're talking about cube equity in high infinite, where war machine/legion is much much worse performing
It’s uninstall time
you critisise hela deck but this move deck which easily gives 16 or way more power is perfectly fine because you like move , move decks are more insane than hela and they need nerfing too madame web and arana lolol yeah right not op at all is it .
Move is extremely hard to play, draw dependent and easily countered
He's right. Snap judgments, I mean.
Not a fan of the patch, Hela is too much and not fun.
I literally just lost four games in a row, three 4 cubers and one 8 cuber, with Husky's Hela list. Won zero. No short for this. I guess you gotta be real lucky and no skill player (*cough *cough JDMacDonaldinho *cough) to do well with it
Yeah eff jdmac!
I don't know about you'll this game used to fun every game was different now this game is just boring every week it's the same thing everyone plays the same decks or counters I'm tired of playing the same decks over and over I wish they would just release all the cards at the same time let people go for the cards they want first then the meta would be fresh mixed this now is just monotonous
It's only been a few days of that for me
@snapjudgmentspod all I see is some kind of move or discard every single game I wish they would release all the cards at once let people decide what card they want first