ARGYLLE | As Good As Kingsman? | Review
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Romancing the Stone is another movie that toys with the idea of an author meeting a real-life version of her own character. It was a genuinely good action/adventure you might like to check out.
Her Alibi is a different take on that concept as an author spins and polishes events in his real life to make them fit into the spy thriller novels he writes with an idealized version of himself as the hero. It was cheesy, but fun.
Kinda like the movie...
Exactly the movie I thought of when Calvin was discussing it wasn't a new idea
Nim's Island features a reclusive, nervous woman author and her fictional hero is played by Gerard Butler basically being Indiana Jones.
To quote Pierce Brosnan "more people have walked on the moon, than ever liked Kingsman: The Golden Circle" Hearing that Calvin liked that film is something of a shock.
I don't mind 'Golden Circle' but then again I only thought the original Kingsman was 'alright'.
Did Brosnan actually say that? 😂
I liked it not as much as the first but sequels rarely do
Yeah. Golden Circle was a mess
First movie is absolutely amazing but I still loved golden circle…
Speaking of tweets announcing this movie, one of the first ones just casually revealed the twist:
Matthew Vaughn is set to direct a thriller about a best-selling female novelist who turns out to be a world-class spy suffering from amnesia.
Bryce Dallas Howard, Sam Rockwell & Samuel L Jackson are in talks to star in the film.
- @DiscussingFilm
Wow, that is a crazy leak.
Excellent
Did the next one say, "in this sequel to Kingsman The Golden Circle"
If you haven't seen Romancing The Stone with Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner, treat yourself. It's the film that this and The Lost City a couple of years ago are trying to be. Female novelist gets dragged into an exotic adventure straight out of one of her novels. Romancing The Stone is a great movie and plays it relatively straight with no gimmicks and constant winking at the audience.
I love the smoke scene. It was supposed to be ridiculous, but not once ever, did I say I can't tell whats going on. This smoke scene reminds me of the end head explosion scene in Kingsman.
Truth be told I saw trailer with the cat and thought it was all about him. Oh well. There was television show called Castle, starting Nathan Fillion Stana Katic ( the Canadian agent at the very end of a Quantum of Solace/ and was up for the role of Fields) it follows Nathan's character as he rides along with an NYPD police officer, the premise is that he is writing books based on Stana Katic character Kate Beckett. In a extremely similar way to Argyle how is. the marketing department of ABC actually commissioned real world 10 novels.
Speaking of Bryce Dallas Howard, she has done some decent action directing in The Mandalorian. Might be an interesting candidate for director of Bond 26 (assuming she doesn't die of old age by the time production starts).
She gets it from her father :)
Very true! I've enjoyed the various Star Wars related episodes she has directed so I'd be curious to see her direct a fully fledged feature film someday.
I actually think she would be a great choice to direct Book One of Argylle if Vaughn decides not to do it, and it would be quite meta.
I enjoyed her as Claire Dearing
in the *"JURASSIC WORLD"*
trilogy and I don't think she deserved to be nominated by the Razzies for Worst Actress in *"JURASSIC WORLD: Dominion".*
@@JOSH-lw2jvthe people who nominate and vote for the Razzies are nasty, mean-spirited arsewipes. If you're a great actress in a bad movie, you win Worst Actress, even if you're giving it your best with what you're given. They're basically just bullies. Hey remember that time they nominated an 11 year old girl?
Movies wherein the characters you want to see are in-story fantasies feel like the audience is being gypped.
Calvin is not a cat person?? Wow, considering I always thought of him as the real-life version of Ben Wishaw’s Q, I’m surprised :0
It's the Blofeld connection. Mentally scarring.
Another author getting involved in a comic adventure is ROMANCING THE STONE
Great film btw
That was quite a fun little moment with the lady handing out 3D glasses. Wonder if she's got any x-ray specs from TWINE knocking about?
The funny thing is Vaughan hates 3D. You'll notice none of his films have been released in it. Fox were trying to push him to either shoot First Class in 3D or have it converted and he wouldn't allow it. And this was post Avatar when studios were going nuts for it. I like to think the lady's film student colleague knew this and to pass the time convinced her to do it.
I’m actually currently reading the Argylle book and that mid credit scene is lifted straight out from the book. I think the King’s Man is just a little Easter egg, but the camera does linger on it for a while which is quite odd.
The film is such a weird companion to the book because the book is just an Argylle story. I’m only about halfway through, but the only mention of Elly Conway is on the cover of the book because she is the credited author (despite the actual identity of Conway being up in the air, and there are some theories). It’s so weird because I like on paper the concept of the author being caught up in a spy adventure, it has nice parallels to Ian Fleming, but after watching the film I can’t help but feel like I would have preferred an adaptation of the book to what we got.
Oh wow I didn't realise they'd actually released a book! That's something I'm going to have to check out now...
Wiki says the 'tie in book' was written by Terry Hayes and Tammy Cohen, who don't appear to be well know authors so the whole 'who is Elly Conway' gimmick [including odd rumours Taylor Swift was the author] has a rather flat answer.
@@jamesatkinsonja Terry Hayes is quite a seasoned screenwriter. He co-wrote Max Max 2 and 3, Dead Calm, Payback, From Hell, and the Martin Campbell/Izabella Scorupco reunion Vertical Limit. He also did uncredited writing on Cliffhanger and Reign Of Fire. His novel I Am Pilgrim has been talked up as the next great spy movie franchise. And yes Matthew Vaughan was going to direct! Later James Grey was linked with directing. Vaughan told the HappySadConfused podcast that his plan is for there to be a Spy Movie Shared Universe, for Kingsman, Argylle and a third unnamed movie. Maybe that'll be Pilgrim?
@@davidjames579 Fair enough but he's hardly a name joe Public is familiar with unlike if it was Taylor Swift.If your going to do a marketing gimmick like that, you need a good reveal. It would be like if they released 'Deadly Game' under a fake name and then revealed Michael Caine was the author-that would be a great payoff to a mystery!
@@davidjames579According to wiki, he's already filmed the third spy film-currently known as 'Project X' [with Chris Hemsworth and Sam Rockwell] which might be Pilgrim!
I hope you do more theatrical reviews this year, I really like them. 👍
It seems Matthew Vaughn peaked with Layer Cake, First Class and the first Kingman movie.
No rush to watch Argylle anytime soon...
It's a shame that Vaughn has been a flop for a decade. Guy Ritchie has made some dissapointing films, but then he makes something I really enjoy, I don't think Vaughn is likely to make anything I'll enjoy in the future.
That sounds more like peaks and troughs.
Im happy you made a video on Argylle.
I'm happy because I wanted to know your opinion
I had fun watching this movie. I don't see myself getting this on disc, but it didn't ruin my evening. I think it's great that Bryce was able to perform with her real body. She looks great and is probably the best part of this movie.
She hasn't performed with her own body before? Who's was it?
This also reminded me of The Lost City and I can't believe how similar the concepts are.
The Lost City also reminded me of the superior Romancing the Stone.
the 3rd Kingsman film (as opposed to the prequel The Kingsman) is listed as in preproduction and is called Kingsman: the Blue Blood with Eggsy and and Harry Hart returning
Vaughn mentioned filming was going to start in 2022 then Egerton said 2023 and neither happened so it does seem like something is holding things up.
(Very mild plot device spoiler) To me the movie felt like a bunch of rapid goofy ideas that they put in front of you with no other intention than “look how goofy and funny we are; you should be laughing.”
I can turn my brain off for goofy, but there still has to be a somewhat believable story. Things do have to have reasons other than “because the plot needs it to continue.”
As Vaughan self finances I feel he has something of the George Lucas thing going on. In that his biggest indulges and maybe not ideas get a free pass as there's no one to say no.
I think the best thing about this movie was Sam Rockwell and Bryce Dallas Howard’s chemistry, they make a great pair
I really like the idea of a sequel to this movie. From the twist to the end of the movie, we are led to believe that Cavill and Cena are not real. However, when Cavill actually shows up at the end shatters her reality again. So imagine a sequel where fiction literally bleeds over into reality even more.
I had no idea that they tried a bit of fake-out marketing for this - first I saw was the trailer which gave away the "spy novel comes to life" premise. Honestly in 2024 the idea that we're going to get online backlash because someone was misled on how much Henry Cavill appears is absolutely tiring and I'm glad they ditched the fake-out marketing angle.
Sounds like Scarecrow and Mrs. King OR Spy (2015 film) with Melissa McCarthy
Last week, the two writers who did the book came forward. Matthew Vaughn commissioned them, in effect, to do a novelization of the movie.
The fact they weren't 'name' people felt like a let down given all the attempted hype.
swifties can stop now
@@LynnHermioneI never understood why people thought Taylor Swift wrote it. Aside from the cat being the same breed as hers (what a connection), I don't get it. Surely more chance of Dua Lipa writing it.
@@davidjames579 Probably just because Taylor Swift is arguably the biggest star in the world right now [times person of the year 2023] and the marketing department saw an opportunity...
@@jamesatkinsonja wow! Anything for social media engagement I guess. I have a vision of a boardroom of aging execs saying how do we get kids to stop.looking at Tik Tok and at our movie. Who's trending? Quick. Start a rumour!
I saw the trailer a few days ago. Put me in mind of Romancing the Stone - author mixed up in real life.
Thank you for great review's! A little off the subject, but can we have a tour of your office! The stuff you have is incredible and fascinating! Keep up the great work! Be safe, brother!
In the US that Argylle trailer has been shown in front of every movie for months. It's ingrained in my DNA.
I was hoping to see your take on this and really enjoyed the video.
I actually really like Argylle, but if there is always one thing to count on for recent Matthew Vaughn films..its the way he stages action..Its something you don't see alot but there is so much clarity and style in his action scenes, and they are also absolutely audacious and absurd. (also, Brad Allan had a hand in the action)...I honestly want Matthew vaughn do a live action Bayonetta movie
A lot of people say Henry Cavill's character looks a lot like 'Captain Scarlet'! Mate, he was born to play CS ;)
Now I can't unsee this!!
Captain Black definatly. Those sunken cheek bones. Always thought the Captain Scarlet puppet looks like Jimmy Carr. Even more since the hair transplant.
I think Gerry Anderson said he modeled Scarlett’s head after Cary Grant.
That said, give Cavill the Trainspotting treatment and he’s perfect for Captain Black!
@@unsolicited577 Some think Anderson based him on Roger Moore! The voice actor-Francis Matthews- certainly based the voice on Cary Grant.
I liked Argylle having watched it on Thursday at one of the first showings , it did remind a bit of a spy version of Romancing the stone up to the half way mark which has a similar plot , certainly plenty of plot twists , also a more family friendly film than kingsman I thought
Even the 1960s The Saint and the Fiction Makers plays with the author fiction and reality mash-up. Hardly a new genre...
It’s funny how movies can be either ”amazing” or ”flop” these days. There is a middle ground. I saw this movie today and I really enjoyed it. Sure, it’s not the best movie ever but definitely not worst either. It serves it’s purpose well as entertainment. Some movies are just okay and that’s okay 👍
The trailers made it look like Romancing the Stone, but it was actually the Long Kiss Goodnight.
All I can think of when I hear about this movie is Stranger Than Fiction, but spy action...
Sidekicks, where kid sees scenarios in his life as featuring Chuck Norris as himself. Chuck is the idealised best friend, who gets him out of any trouble.
This feels like a reversed "The Last Action Hero" type of movie!
Thank you! I was trying to figure out "what's another action movie that's like this?" and it's Last Action Hero.
The First Passive Hero?
The film is definitely not in 3D anywhere. Sounds a weird experience you had there!
Best 3D movie I've ever seen.
The name's Waircut... Hank Waircut.
Henry, there's no chance of you landing Bond looking like that.
Auwwwah, Henry Cavill...starts drooling uncontrollably🤤
Excellent reaction Calvin, this video pleased me. My thirst for Henry Cavill and my own make believe he is my Bond and youre analysis of this gem of a film
Read The Argylle book as a promotion for the film. which is about Argylle.
I enjoyed the film but I found it really distracting that they used The Beatles' Now & Then as a diagetic soundtrack for stuff that happened years ago, when it came out like 4 months ago
Lol! Me too. I just decided the film must take place in the future. They talk about how Now And Then was playing when they fell for each. As that was at least 5 years ago, then the film must take place in 2028 at the earliest.
This to me calls to mind Romancing the stone from the eighties. I think it was that film that started it all.
That move was heavily inspired by Indiana Jones, which was inspired by James Bond. It really has come full circle with this Argyle movie.
You had me at Dua Lipa.
I thought her acting was actually pretty good, and I would have liked more of her in the film.
I actually liked this movie, but I liked it a little less after each twist. By the end of it I was thinking less about the movie itself and more about how much ArgyllexWyatt fanfiction exists in this universe
Regarding Argylle on streaming....
The current digital distribution rule is 45 days after theatrical release so Argylle should be on Apple TV mid March. However if the film does really badly and pulled from cinemas in two weeks or so it may arrive earlier than the 45 days window.
To be honest, I'm not sure if Henry Cavill would make a good Bond. We definitely need an actor who's more unknown and can show his skills through the role.
Out of curiosity, when will Cypher 007 be getting new levels? It's been a while and I've been waiting to see what they do with it.
I actually really enjoyed it and thought it was bonkers in a good way but I do agree that it was a bit long especially with some of the action scenes near the end which were rather repetitive.
Sounds like we owe you a big thank you for taking a hit for us on this one Calvin. I'll definitely be giving this one a miss now.
I am sure this movie was released in my country last summer.
It was marketed as a film about a cat similar to Garfield. I thought the cat was called Argyle.
I am so confused that I am thinking maybe I saw an advert for a different movie. And maybe you should just ignore me.
I work in a movie theater and I can say that no, we have no showings of Argyle in 3-D. Unless England has it different, I feel like someone made a mistake.
It's not a 3D release anywhere. Unlikely on an independentally produced film like this, and also because Vaughan hates 3D.
Other films, aside from Romancing the Stone that connect to the theme of the writer who is more than that, are The Long Kiss Goodbye, where Geena Davis has a deep dark and violent past she has forgotten about that she rediscovers in herself and, believe it or not, Bedtime Stories with Adam Sandler, where the stories he tells his niece and nephew at bedtime, seem to come true!
I'd also inc Best Seller, where an author's creation comes to life and joins him in a case.
19:05 But imagine Calvin, if Bond 26 will start doing this themselves at the mid credits, hinting at what's install or the next villain for Bond 27?
Infact, what if like the MCU movies, instead of having a colourful opening montage like the early 2000's Marvel movies or how Bond movies do it, Bond 26 instead put the song and montage at the end credits after the last scene??!!!
Movies have to survive with the times! But traditions and values are important ;) all the best
Very good points! I suppose my issue stems from whether or not the mid/post credits teasers are actually followed up on or not. Marvel had everything so well planned out for a while that their teasers really worked to generate hype for what comes next and you could (mostly) count on it coming because the projects were already greenlit and they were building towards a clear goal. With teasers in the likes of Argylle, Rise of the Beasts, Morbius etc I just don't have faith in them to actually follow them up based on the lack of general enthusiasm for the films themselves. The only question when it comes to Bond will be whether a credits teaser comes before or after the "James Bond Will Return" text ;)
@calvindyson oooooooo I'd love to see how they play with 'james bond will return' in the next movie :)
@@calvindyson There was also that laughable tease in 'The Kingsman' and the infamous one in Black Adam.
Blofeld turns to the camera and smiles "If you want a job doing, best do it yourself"
is that referance to smething?? sorry if i didnt get it haha@@davidjames579
I feel like Matthew feels the need to leach of that one really successful he made (also probably the one idea of his he’s really attached to).
It sounds like a riff on Romancing the Stone.
It does make me think of the Bruce Willis in this for 5 mins but the box art makes him to be the lead character scam.
The infamous 'geezer teasers'.
@@jamesatkinsonja Millenium Films are also guilty of this, hiring the likes of Gary Oldman and even Richard E Grant to do one day shoots in multiple films.
@@davidjames579 True-I recently watched Hitman's bodyguard 2 and Grant is brought back for about 30 seconds!
Just watched it and loved it.
I was scratching my head over the mid post credit scene because if this film does exist inbthevsane universe, them Samuel Jackson is playing two separate characters.
Good guy in this, villain in The King's Men
Bond has done it many times. For example Joe Don Baker is a villain in Living Daylights [and dies] while being a good guy in Goldenye+TND
@jamesatkinsonja Yes, but each Bond film before the Craig era didn't bother with continuity. Whereas this film was connecting itself to the Kingsmen films
@@matthewjay5483 Yeah, it is odd to see now a days-you certainly see re-casting or actors coming back in new parts a lot less. I suppose you also have Sofia Boutella in two roles too. The 'cross over/team up' element seemed so tacked on I doubt Vaughn really thought it through!
Idk if someone's already said, but all Kingsman films are owned by MARV. Fox just financed them. So he can bring Kingsman 3 at any studio that will finance them & these days it's definitely not Fox/Disney financing it
Love Bryce and yeah was misdirected in the marketing
Really just convinced me that Cavill should not be Bond.
Yeah, i have to admit even considering his limited screentime I wasn't exactly left wanting more from him...
I've always thought Cavill is quite wooden in his performances. I think in real life he has charm and charisma in spades, but I've never thought it translated to film. I will say, though, the trailer for The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare is the first time I've felt like maybe that charisma will finally shine through.
The casting would not be subtle.
He was playing a cartoon character all the same so i don’t think he meant to give that impression
Charles Hawtrey from the Carry On films would have been a better candidate to play Bond than wooden Cavill.
Poor Henry is like a viagra tablet. Permanently stiff!
I have seen one trailer for this movie and cold have told you this is not a Henry Cavil film. I have not seen this film, and really don't have plans to.
Hey Calvin, I was looking for your Quantum of Solace in depth review and could not find it. Have you ever done one?
He hasn't done it yet. He's up to 'Tomorrow Never Dies' for in depth reviews
I had hoped this was a Die Hard spin off! (Remember John McClane’s taxi driver!)
A 2hr movie where the hero sits in a limo listening to music. The one action scene is when he accidentally let's off the handbrake.
If cavill isnt casted as Bond (which is unlikely) im just gonna pretend this is his bond film. Also what is up with his hair in this film?
I was also hoping for more of an insight into what a Cavill Bond would have been like through this but he's barely in it which is a shame... And yes, the hair is BONKERS! 😂
@@calvindysonyeah he Is a supporting character it's more Ellie Conway's 'Story'. Also I'm gonna go and watch the film Tommorow I can't wait I know the reviews are largely negative but I'll probably have a blast with it.
@@calvindyson still got The Ministry Of Ungentlemanly
Warfare coming and we'll always have The Man From UNCLE where he plays Sterling Archer.
Is Bryce Dallas-Howards character called 'Joan Wilder'?
Anyone else think Henry Cavill looka like the guy in Liar Liar who the woman was sleeping with?!?
Saw this earlier today. Romancing the Stone meets The Long Kiss Goodnight meets... so many others! Enjoyable for sure, but would have benefited from being (a) shorter and (b) a 15 rather than 12A
Matthew Vaughn has completely lost the plot. The first Kingsman was absolutely wonderful and featured the only action scene (Colin Firth in the church)
that's ever made me cry real tears of joy because I couldn't believe how incredibly good it was.
Then the two sequels came and thankfully went. And now this: the first part in another shitty, fucking trilogy. Sigh. What went wrong?
Was the first Kingsman a fluke? Was its greatness due to the work of other people involved at the time?
I thought it was just crap. The whole cinema was dead silent, while the movie tried its hardest to be funny. It just wasn't. The end credits scene added absolutely nothing and made zero sense.
I will see Argylle at some point digitally but my only view of it before this was the Bryce trailer so good to see that seems to be the focus. I do think they should make the Third Kingsman movie, I loved the first one and did like the second and even the Kings man but they were steps down. Also, bold for them to say it is a new genre. In addition to what you named the writer's works are real stuff goes WAY back to things like Delirious and Romancing the Stone.
If you see it in a cinema you'll be seeing it Digitally.
@@davidjames579 Yes, all modern video is not "film" but is shot, edited and projected digitally. I guess I meant on a streaming service but I figured people would understand what I meant. 🙂
I agree wholeheartedly with your review. Overall, I enjoyed myself. But it's not worth writing home about. I did, however, think Rockwell gave a genuinely great, effortless comic performance that raised it to a "B-."
It's Remington steel
I thought that too!
How do you feel that they just released the Argylle novel, apparently authored by Elly Conway. I haven’t read but I’m assuming it’s the in universe book with none of the outside world stuff?
Available in XD at our local theater.
I'm sure if you sat in a studio meeting about the film the word "meta" would have come up repeatedly.
Hope you had fun in Thailand, Calvin.
Apparently the hotel was all out of Phu Yuk 1974.
Has there actually been any marketing for this because I had literally never heard of it before watching this review. I've been to the cinema multimple times in recent months and had Apple TV until a few weeks ago and, if there was any, its totally passed me by!
There was quite a lot of hype due to the whole 'who's Elly Conway' gimick and the names attached but they only released the trailer online fairly recently, How the whole project has been dragged out [announced in mid-2021] didn't help.
Just came back from the cinema and my immediate reaction is that I Loved Sam Rockwell and his duo with Bryce is funny and amazing
Please do a video on the following theme:
RANKING OF BOND FILMS WITH THE MOST REALISTIC COLD WAR DEPICTION
For example:
SPECTRE trying to raise tensions between the West and the Soviets in Turkey (FRWL, 1963)
Red China's devious scheme with Goldfinger to destabilise Western economy by radiating the interior of Fort Knox (GF, 1964)
Red China's nefarious plan with SPECTRE to instigate World War 3 in order to replace America and USSR as the new global superpower (YOLT, 1967)
General Orlov's diabolical design to cause an atomic explosion in West Germany so that the balance of power would tilt in favour of the Soviets (OP, 1983)
The Soviet's reliance on Western technology resulting in 007 being awarded the Order of Lenin for derailing their rogue agent Zorin's masterplan to destroy Silicon Valley (AVTAK, 1985)
Illicit arms deal coupled with diamond and opium smuggling involving rogue elements of the Soviet military command and the Afghan resistance (TLD, 1987)
... and of course there are more
You... you liked the Golden Circle?!? Look Calvin, I can understand putting Moonraker as your second favourite Bond movie, but this is completely unacceptable!
Our Man Bashir from DS9 does the concept better.
A case not as clever as they think it is might have looked better on the written page
Finally watched Argyle and I definitely found this film was too long and convoluted.
However, there is an Argyle novel that was released as well so I wonder if you are going to review the book as well?
A good way to reboot Bond. Fleming meets Broccolli and Hitchcock and Connery on a train..
Call it Strangeways On A Train
This is a Bond variation like KING SOLOMON'S MINES starring Richard Chamberlain is a RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK variation. Aka, stale oatmeal.
I'd struggle to call it a Bond knock off when it's not really like Bond.
I want kingsman 3
Argylle from die hard 😂 just kidding looks okay to me but I will check on my Apple TV plus when it’s on there.
I think waiting for it to go on Apple TV is probably the better shout tbh
The fact that there is a certain rejection of Henry Cavill's name for the role of James Bond makes him the best candidate. Sean Conery studied the character's movement with a ballet teacher and it was enough to convince the producers.
I don't think Connery's casting is really comparable. He wasn't a well known actor at the time and his casting partly came out the low budget production needing to take a chance on a lesser known actor while Cavill is an well known actor who's played a big part [superman] already [and is arguably starting to age out of the role now he's turned 40]. I've not heard the ballet teacher story before-director Terrance Young said he did a lot of work to 'whip him into shape' after Connery was cast [similar to how Daniel Craig said he did a lot of training + research [like reading all the books] when he was cast].
@@jamesatkinsonjaI read this story in an interview with Sean Conery in Playboy in the year Daniel Craig debuted. It is also mentioned in the Insider DR No documentary.
It also depends what there looking for when re-casting Bond. If it's a 'younger Bond/another origin story' [like 'The Batman' where Robert Pattinson was in his mid 30's] anyone over 40 [like Cavill] would be too old. Traditionally they go for lesser known people rather than established 'film stars' so if that holds it would rule out a lot of the people linked.
Pierce Brosnan, Roger More and Timoty Dalton were over 40 when they played James Bond. You only need 3 films 2 years apart. Unless the director is unknown with an unknown actor, but that would be bad marketing.
@@brenoramosmosso Unfortunately the days of the films being 'two years apart' are over as the rushed production of 'Quantum' was such a bad experience and the 'Bond formula is retired [so writing takes longer]. Of course the advantage with going younger is there usually cheaper [Daniel Craig got less money for Casino Royale-$3.2million than Halle Berry did for Die Another Day-$4 million, let alone the $20 million Pierce was allegedly wanting]! Going back to 'The Batman', part 2 is currently planned to come out nearly 4 years [late 2025] after the first but Pattinson is still only 37]. Cavill supposedly got $10 million for Argylle so his quote must be pretty high for an actual lead role.
To quote your words at the beginning of the review “Well we always have Man From UNCLE”
On a serious note people should really talk about that movie a lot more. It’s such an awesome movie, with a great Bond audition for Cavill. I don’t think he’d be such a popular choice for Bond if people didn’t Adore his performance in that movie. What’s your opinion on the film?
He did a video on 'Uncle' a while ago if you've missed it. Uncle didn't make much impact with the general audience [as it lost money] nor critics at the time so I get why it's stayed a cult film [similar to 'The Nice Guys' from the following year].
I am glad you liked it. I thought this film was lots of fun though some moments were longer than they needed to be like you mentioned. The only thing I disagree with you on, is I think the second Kingsmen film is garbage and I'm glad we never got a State Men film. I'd rather ase more of Bryce and Sam Rockwell over more Kingsmen though I loved Ralph Finnes in Kings Man. BTW, would love to hear your take on Amazon's Mr & Mrs Smith. My wife and I are both really enjoying that.
The 3rd Kingsman movie was better than the 2nd.
Just saw it in the cinema. It wasnt 3d but it was in the Imax. I liked the start. In fact the moments where they were showing the books with Henry Cavill and John Cena, just made me want to watch that whole film instead. It felt like they were spoofing the most ridiculous Bond moments, and it made me want a Bond spoof like this. But it got caught up in this convulated mess and you can see the twists a mile off. I really like most of Vaughns films but I didnt like the Kings Man prequel at all, and i am not quite sure if this was worse or not. It has the same issues with tone and the action gets quite tedious in the same way too.
Matthew Vaughn certainly has ambitious spy film plans with sequels and crossovers for Kingsman, Argylle and an upcoming [to date unnamed] new series but 9 years from the first Kingsman it already feels like diminishing returns as most people felt Kingsman 2 inferior to the original while 'The Kingsman' and now 'Argylle' both had lackluster critical and commercial reaction.
Yeah good point
Diminishing Returns you say? That sounds a good name for a podcast.
The more I see of Matthew Vaughn the more I I feel he’s just now kinda bitter about everything. In his early days he was all screw Hollywood I don’t need them but now it’s like he’s become the man who just makes kinda homages to other genres of films with flashy action scenes and pop music. It feels to me like he is a one trick pony and now because Kick Ass died out he’s now focused on KingsMan stuff and I don’t know if it’s strong enough ship
The funny thing is the more he has distanced himself from Hollywood through self financing the more he's become like them. Its a long way from Layer Cake.
Sounds to me to be a dafter Romancing The Stone in many ways...
Yea this did not seem like a good idea, Vaughan has always been visuals and style. In his works not based on anything writing and dialog has always been B at best.
Cavill is still my pick for the next Bond, but I think being in this and The Man From U.N.C.L.E. have ruined his chances by sheer proximity.
I felt his character in 'Mission Impossible Fallout' was his take on a 'dark and serious' Bond which also feels like he's already done the part.
I think he's too old for the part now. They need to cast a younger actor in their early 30s, like Sean Connery was in Dr No. I want them to get someone who can play the role for a good 6 or 7 movies.
@@jamesatkinsonja me and my brother recently watched that as he had never seen it before. Easily the best one in the franchise, in no small part because of Cavill. He's so, so good in it, and really sells his turn halfway. I also love how fantastically annoyed he is throughout the film. Like he's so unbelievably done with the IMF's goofy bullshit and can't help but show it.
We were actually remarking while watching through the series that the Mission Impossible movies are like if someone made a serious Roger Moore Bond movie. Lots of gadgets and ridiculous stunts, really self-aware but earnest enough to sell it. Like it's been well established that Bond steals from other franchises, but honestly the MI series has been stealing from them, and in a lot of ways, doing it better.
@@Rocket1377 true, but also Henry Cavill looks younger now than Sean Connery ever looked.
@@Rocket1377 Agreed. It needs to be someone currently in there early 30's [and probably not already associated with a big name role], especially given the films take longer to make now.
Argylle looked terrible from the trailers. And the reviews and lack of audience engagement made me think it would be loathsome. But.....due to a cheap cinema ticket, time to spare, and perverse curiosity to watch trainwreck movies made by overconfident people I went and saw it. And.......to my genuine surprise enjoyed it. Its a weird sensation when you're waiting for a film to be bad, so you can laugh at it, and you're waiting and waiting. By the time I got to the Mini Moke chase, I gave up on that because by now I was involuntarily enjoying it. I'll agree it is too long. But I genuinely liked the twists and wtf moments. One in fact elicted an actual gasp from me. If a film can motivate my senses without any driving from me then it gets my recommendation. Not a great film by any manner, but as a fun, silly romp its great. The twists are ludicrous and plentiful, but I had a silly grin on my face often and laughed a lot. Its not really much of a Bond or spy spoof, but as an experience I was simply entertained. I also don't like Vaughan's nasty, egotistical side, but none of that came across here. It was good, clean fun. I actually wished they'd released this at Xmas, as its the ideal thing to watch after too much rum doused Xmas Pudding. Or leaves you in a simular mood, along with the bloated feeling.
So this film is pretty much like if you took the plot of Alan Wake and add James Bond elements into it.
It's not a popular opinion but I do feel pretty 'over' ''Cavill for Bond' given we've already seen his take on the part in other movies [Light hearted-Man from Uncle, Dark+ Serious-Mission Impossible: Fallout, Parody-Argylle]. Generally I'd rather they go after lesser known candidates [particular younger than 40 given Bond 26 is a while off] rather than the same group who seem to have been linked for ages now.
Same here. I want them to surprise me now for so.eone who could take on bond for more than 3 films aswell. Henry ain't gona be that person
I don't think any actor the press mention will. The actor who gets it is probably currently in Drama School.
well you never know. I think what ever happens though, we'll all be very suprised! We are very far removed from the culture and times of Connery and Moores era and it must have been weired for anyone back in 1987, 1995 and 2006 that a new actor is going to be Bond for the next number of films @@davidjames579
I think only Moore and Brosnan had history to link to the part (Moore being in The Saint and The Persuaders, Brosnan being in Remington Steele). Pierce had though been considered by Cubby before he made Steele. All the others were not obvious or public choices. Even Craig after Layer Cake was only known by a smaller amount of people. So I think EON could surprise us. And just practically probably don't want to be paying the actor 20 million a film.
@@davidjames579 Exactly. I like the idea of being 'surprised' about what an actor could bring to the part and going for a lesser known actor certainly helps the budget! The same old names have been linked for years [such as Tom Hiddleston when 'Night Manager' was 8 years ago and as you say it's unlikely to be any of them.