Martov was a true democratic socialist, but his Mensheviks worked with the Provisional Government and thereby supporting the imperialist war. Also the Mensheviks rejected Soviet power, rejected the Congress of Soviets and were ideological bankrupt. Still Lenin and Martov had this bond despite their differences. After he died in 1923, the sick Lenin was not informed. Some say Martov's death would have been a deep shock to the already deeply sick Lenin!
Revolutionary Socialist Media Lenin told Stalin to pay married medical fees which Stalin didnt, Lenin's wife later said this was one of the times Lenin was disappointed at stalin
@@spanixtanspanixtan8757 I disagree with some of your assertions. Lenin's principle idea was not to form a small elite, his vanguard concept was more flexible than that. I suggest you read Paul LeBlanc and Lars Lih's works on Lenin.
Not all Mensheviks were in favor of the Provisional Government and continuing the war. Julius Martov and Alexander Martynov were firmly against continuing the war
It was Nikolay Bauman, if you haven't already found it. Bolshevik activist, participant in the revolution of 1905. Got in a scandal due to being kind of an asshole. Lenin defended him, probably not one of his positions that has aged particularly well.
Haha I don't know why but when I see the actor who plays Martov he kind of reminds me of actor Simon Helberg aka " HOWARD WOLOWITZ " with a beard and mustache. Haha
@@mvk4343 Nah. The Bolsheviks expelled many others over the years for very similar actions as what Bauman was accused of. Bauman's case was one where an internal party investigation found that the allegations against him were unfounded. Parties today conduct the same internal investigations when allegations are made against a party member, and this has provably allowed Marxist parties to weather attacks by the CIA and FBI. Acting like modern so-called "woke" parties have a "cancel culture" problem is asinine and shows you to be reactionary in your thinking.
I don't see him depicted here as hysterical. But I've little knowledge of what he was like in real life. And the issues he raises about what the Party should be like are serious issues. His view of the Bauman affair is a serious matter too, regardless of whether or not you agree with him.
It’s static and unchanging and doesn’t pertain to reality. Used here I feel doesn’t make any sense though. Lenin would have expelled Bauman especially since this was 1902 and not 1918 at the height of war. Also tv Martov was talking about a dialectical process not a metaphysical one and the real Lenin would have agreed with him.
Marxists understand capitalism to be the self-contradiction of bourgeois social relations which points towards its aufhebung. This means that all invocation of metaphysics, even those of pre-critical philosophy, become bourgeois ideology, that is the ideology of the ruling class. The aufhebung lies in the realm of politics, not the realm of philosophy. Bourgeois metaphysics thus are not to be "replaced" with some "proletarian" version, with a "better" philosophy, but overcome. But this is of course the classical marxist approach which today is at least in question, if not falsified by History. An answer to this question would make necessary once again a political approach.
Millions died each year in the imperial Russia (mostly young children) due to the poverty, constant hunger, luck of education and medicine. It was a feudal country with average life expectancy around 33 years, with extremely poor peasants and extremely rich nobles. Nobody mourn those millions victims of bad ruling of the last Romanovs. Lenin killed few thousands of those parasites, who sucked dry their own people - nobles, priests, cossacks, give real power to the people, provided free housing, healthcare and education - and he was called a monster...by real vampires and monsters, who killed millions in WWI right at the same time, lmao.
METAPHYSICS JULIUS!!!!
"Comrade Computer, FREEZE PROGRAMME!"
Russell would let us know that this portrayal of Lenin's character is too impressive
What did Russell actually accomplish?. Zero
Huh, I don't think I've ever seen Patrick Stewart with hair before.
He looks stunning as Lenin, no?
Martov was a true democratic socialist, but his Mensheviks worked with the Provisional Government and thereby supporting the imperialist war. Also the Mensheviks rejected Soviet power, rejected the Congress of Soviets and were ideological bankrupt. Still Lenin and Martov had this bond despite their differences. After he died in 1923, the sick Lenin was not informed. Some say Martov's death would have been a deep shock to the already deeply sick Lenin!
Revolutionary Socialist Media Lenin told Stalin to pay married medical fees which Stalin didnt, Lenin's wife later said this was one of the times Lenin was disappointed at stalin
Martov was one of the rare internationalist and anti-war Mensheviks. A tragedy he decided to walk out with the rest of them.
@@spanixtanspanixtan8757 I disagree with some of your assertions. Lenin's principle idea was not to form a small elite, his vanguard concept was more flexible than that. I suggest you read Paul LeBlanc and Lars Lih's works on Lenin.
@@spanixtanspanixtan8757 “for want of a nail” is a huge part of Soviet history. Details matter deeply!
Not all Mensheviks were in favor of the Provisional Government and continuing the war. Julius Martov and Alexander Martynov were firmly against continuing the war
Make it so
Patrick Stewart is so good at yelling at people in dramatic fashion.
what's the full name of the man they are talking about?
It was Nikolay Bauman, if you haven't already found it. Bolshevik activist, participant in the revolution of 1905. Got in a scandal due to being kind of an asshole. Lenin defended him, probably not one of his positions that has aged particularly well.
@@vallraffs no I hadn't. thank you.
Being an asshole was an entry requirement for the Bolsheviks.
@Red Baron not an antisemite.
An absolute pig, if the historical details are true. Poor woman, RIP
Haha I don't know why but when I see the actor who plays Martov he kind of reminds me of actor Simon Helberg aka " HOWARD WOLOWITZ " with a beard and mustache. Haha
As a marxist, I still think the bauman affair was a tragic misstep in Lenin's judgment ie "analysis".
nah Lenin is just anti-cancel culture which would piss off all the wokes of this century
@@mvk4343 Nah. The Bolsheviks expelled many others over the years for very similar actions as what Bauman was accused of. Bauman's case was one where an internal party investigation found that the allegations against him were unfounded. Parties today conduct the same internal investigations when allegations are made against a party member, and this has provably allowed Marxist parties to weather attacks by the CIA and FBI. Acting like modern so-called "woke" parties have a "cancel culture" problem is asinine and shows you to be reactionary in your thinking.
The party is not there to police its members.
@@levine4970 why shouldn’t it police its members
@@levine4970 The party ought to have some ethics which members are not allow to disregard with impunity
could you please upload complete absolute beginners, thanks
1903
Damn patrick stuart looks just like lenin lol
First I read "vs Martok".
And Jalad at Tanagra
Menshevick vs bolshevick
This! The Left needs this!
lol, Patrick Stewart.
Hate to see him being a bad guy though.
Peoples War awwww the liberal thinks Lenin was a "bad guy " that's cute.
@@pplswar lmao if you think Lenin is a bad guy you are a fool
shut the fuck up liberal
Peoples War fucking liberal
Lol all the socialists who think Lenin was "good". No, the commenter was right, Stewart did play the villain in this piece.
I doubt that Martov was like that. This one has hysteria and no depth. Would like to get hold of the debate that took place in London in 1907
Maybe they showed him this way, because this were the known facts about him at the time of the production of the series.
1903.
Bit harsh, I love this dramatisation. I think it’s awesome
how does he have no depth? have you seen the whole show
I don't see him depicted here as hysterical. But I've little knowledge of what he was like in real life. And the issues he raises about what the Party should be like are serious issues. His view of the Bauman affair is a serious matter too, regardless of whether or not you agree with him.
why can't anyone make a video of full movie?
They have - and it's not a "movie", it's a series (which last I checked was all on YT)
It's from a series called "Fall of Eagles". It's on TH-cam.
There is, Patrick Stewart as Lenin scenes stitched together. It’s kind of like a movie. Here on TH-cam
I love how he doesn't even try a Russian accent.
My view is that if you aren't speaking the language then just use your native tongue
Lenin spoke English with an Irish accent because he learned English from Irish workers in a boarding house.
yeah but he wouldnt be speaking english in this scene@@nuur2825
What's wrong with metaphysics? I like metaphysics. Also I like this series. I wish I had access to the whole of it.
Well, Marxists are materialists
It’s static and unchanging and doesn’t pertain to reality. Used here I feel doesn’t make any sense though. Lenin would have expelled Bauman especially since this was 1902 and not 1918 at the height of war. Also tv Martov was talking about a dialectical process not a metaphysical one and the real Lenin would have agreed with him.
@@traveler3242 Yes, it is now. I love it.
Marxists understand capitalism to be the self-contradiction of bourgeois social relations which points towards its aufhebung. This means that all invocation of metaphysics, even those of pre-critical philosophy, become bourgeois ideology, that is the ideology of the ruling class. The aufhebung lies in the realm of politics, not the realm of philosophy. Bourgeois metaphysics thus are not to be "replaced" with some "proletarian" version, with a "better" philosophy, but overcome. But this is of course the classical marxist approach which today is at least in question, if not falsified by History. An answer to this question would make necessary once again a political approach.
@@phs170600 Marxism is not falsified by history. just the Bourgeoisie's version of it.
It's Patrick Stewart playing monster murderer Lenin.
"monster murderer", you meant to say hero of the people, greatest patriot, eternal burning flame of liberation.
@@WorkerPower No tears will be shed for the Tsar and his Family 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@allengreene9954 yes, they deserved their fate
@@WorkerPower Yep 👍🏿
Millions died each year in the imperial Russia (mostly young children) due to the poverty, constant hunger, luck of education and medicine. It was a feudal country with average life expectancy around 33 years, with extremely poor peasants and extremely rich nobles.
Nobody mourn those millions victims of bad ruling of the last Romanovs.
Lenin killed few thousands of those parasites, who sucked dry their own people - nobles, priests, cossacks, give real power to the people, provided free housing, healthcare and education - and he was called a monster...by real vampires and monsters, who killed millions in WWI right at the same time, lmao.