I wish Maze’s End had its own unique animation for winning the game other than just having the opponent’s head explode. Like an animation of all the gates being built or something.
I'd settle for an active Gate count on the card, like how cards with Delirium have that number on the side showing how close you are to having it active.
Yeah, I'm surprised the deck worked as well as it did without Ram and the other gate payoffs. Maybe we'll get them in the future before Foundations rotates.
I love the variety in standard! You got the mono-black decks, the black-reds, the black-whites, the black-greens, the black-blues, the black-blue-whites. Then you have the mono-red decks and the other ones that pretend they aren't mono-red by splashing green or white. Endless possibilities!
For sure! The variety is amazing. However, I just feel like there's a deck out there that could make use of Deep Cavern Bat... I really feel like that card needs to start seeing some play.
@@MTGGoldfish while im glad they moved away from every random mythic having an really extra animation (with some of them looking kind of ugly too), I I do think it'd be nice if some of the more unique cards had something to give them a bit more flair.
I wish you added what you would change about these budget decks if they were no longer budget. Not that it’s applicable in this case, but you used to do that and it gave me something to work towards!
Jim Davis tried to build a maze's end deck in his TH-cam channel, but he didnt believe in omenpath's journey as a tool. Is risky, but it helps. The Titania's command is also a good addition. Nice deck
There’s a surprising amount of graveyard recursion for lands in Standard at the moment. Toss in a Lumra and/or Bonny Pall and you’ve got some significant bodies for when the combo win isn’t going so well too.
You should make a physical tracker that makes it easier to check which ones you have. Like an abacus type design, slide some coin or labeled object to the right when you have that gate on the field, and to the left when you don't have it yet
I am making this comment without checking Seth’s decklist, but my first instinct against a maze deck is always removing Rakdos guildgate, which always seem to be a bad color combination for any maze deck, so it is mostly a 1 copy gate.
For a deck like this, I'd definitely want to track the Gates I had outside of looking at tiny squares on a screen. The notes app I use has a checklist mode, so I'd just write down all the Gates in the deck I had, check them off as they are played, and look at the unchecked ones when tutoring for the next one. Just something that might make tracking it easier!
I will be honest maze’s end snuck back into standard without me noticing until the video, there’s a bunch of cool new/old stuff we can do now in standard but I chosen to be the most toxic player possible pun intended and I’m sure everyone hates me right now but I’m having a blast. I have waited 2 years to play rotpriest and when llanowar elf was spoiled I figured now was my best opportunity for my pile. Rotpriest, mockingbird, invasion of ikoria, and fleeting reflection (which also targets two creatures for extra triggers) make for a lot of possible rotpriest on top of ivy spelltheif to double spells make for a fun posion deck that I’m sure no one wants to actually play against.
4 rotpriest 4 llanowar elf 3 mockingbird 4 ivy spelltheif 3 invasion of ikoria 4 fleeting reflection 4 enter the enigma 4 tyvar’s stand 4 snakeskin veil 4 royal treatment 4 shore up 18 land including thran portal for more color fixing because you really need untapped sources only.
Used to play Maze's End deck years ago in the old Standard format. Obviously, it is a tier-2 or below deck but it was very enjoyable when you managed to pull a win off. There were tons of fog effects and draw engines back then but there was nothing like Spelunking and the frog. Both cards speed up the process a lot.
19:18 Flywheeler was a crazy card in the pre-foundations selesnya Kona deck. it on t2 + t1 citanul stalwart (also in the opponent's deck) was how we did T3 Kona bombs before we had access to llanowar elves. Now that the kona deck has elves and omniscience i personally don't play flywheel or stalwart anymore but it's neat to see them around
I'm so glad Seth went with Day of Judgement against that reanimator deck. They could've used the vehicle to have Atraxa survive Split Up and I don't think he saw that line. Hopefully the opponent wouldn't've either though lol
Outside of standard, I could see "Omo, Queen of Vesuva," being a great include for this deck because she makes non-gates into gates with different names!
At 31:51 your Omenpath clock could've been shorter if you picked fewer lands. I don't think it'd have won you the game, but still could've been a misplay.
I was thinking the same thing. If he just picked Maze's End he would guarentee getting it on end step and I think he would have had an out if he drew Circuitous Route
Hey Seth your recent videos have a real high pitched sound coming through your mic. You can fix it by adding some EQ to cut off the super high frequency range without affecting the overall sound. Just be careful not to be too aggressive with the EQ since you could end up sounding muffled
EDIT: Nevermind, DIFFERENT names. Can't get two maze's ends 31:42 Would have taking just the maze's ends worked here? The first one comes in at end step and you have 5 untapped lands to go up to 8 gates, then next turn you play it, use it, up to 9 gates with 4 mana left, end step another mazes in comes in and you use it and 10 gates and win? I can't tell but it looks like he has 7 gates at this point and maze's end could ramp him even without spelunking.
Hmmm, so what kind of lands will we see in Aetherdrift? If it's a race where you cross over in different planes via omenpaths, which are portals/gates, then it might be likely that we'd get a land simply called 'Omenpath' or similar.
What do you think about enigma jewel in a maze's end list? It has been a house with fountainport/mirrex. You can even start maze ending activating as early as turn 3. Omen hawker is too vulnerable to removal, but enigma jewel does crazy stuff and fuels cards like mazemind tome or collector's vault and ramps/searches into wraths
I don't get it. I am subscribed to MTGGoldfish and all your other channels, but I never EVER get a notification when a new video drops. Meanwhile I get notifications for junk I don't care about every other day. I wish TH-cam stopped being such a derp, since I love all your content. Thanks Seth and glad to see your cough is clearing up!
So I’m just getting into trading cards and are collecting some here and there from different games/sets. I know next to nothing about MTG. I bought for MTG the Fallout sets and hoping to pickup the LoTR sets. As these are more branded sets, any suggestions for where I should look for getting some, what I would call, unbranded MTG cards. I am Mainly looking at aesthetics for now as I will most likely be collecting them and just admiring the artistry in them.
It seems like aftermath analyst is better than omenpath journey. You do end up skewing towards self mill if you build that way. World soul rage, jace, mazes end might be a thing.
If the new capenna etb sac lands were still in standard omenpaths journey's landfall triggers would be crazy. I hope someone messed with that when they were there together.
@MTGgoldfish Seth you should check your vitamin levels with a blood test, and you might be able to get some supplements so you don't have to suffer through a flu the entire winter.
A few friends and I are working on a Dandan (forgetful fish) variant with mazes end as the win con. If anyone has any ideas shout em out. I will probably start a reddit thread soon
Can anyone explain what is the rationale behind using removal on the slasher & not the bloodletter that doesn't come back from being sent to the graveyard
Slasher still kills us super quickly even without Bloodletter. Ideally we'll kill the Slasher and the find a sweeper to deal with it forever before the stun counters are gone.
Love Maze's End and enjoy the content, but Seth Probably Better Known As SaffronOlive has sounded really sick in all his videos this week and should probably take a couple days off to recover.
I have only seen the first game of the first match but I imagine assembling ten different lands is not going to fare well in a standard with two OTK combos
I wish Maze’s End had its own unique animation for winning the game other than just having the opponent’s head explode. Like an animation of all the gates being built or something.
I'd settle for an active Gate count on the card, like how cards with Delirium have that number on the side showing how close you are to having it active.
WOTC is a small indie card game they don't have the budget for fancy animations like that 😿
@@destroyerbot2066 🤣🤣🤣
exactly, especially because it isn't "opponent loses" it's "you win." agreed that it should have a gate count too, for each players' benefit.
@@jrjamesson Yeah, just an animation for "You win" would be awesome. Like when you do Oracle of Thassa. Its not just one card.
The fact we got all the gates back in standard but not the ram is a travesty
The ram was decent but it was only as good as it was cause it always survived Gates Ablaze. Which is the real travesty that Gates Ablaze isn't back.
Since Foundations is going to be legal in Standard for 5 years, I'm hoping they're signaling a new Ravnica set in the future.
honestly the ram would do nothing in this deck considering that standard is 80% removal tribal.
Nah im glad blaze isnt back. @FlawlessRhythmGG
Yeah, I'm surprised the deck worked as well as it did without Ram and the other gate payoffs. Maybe we'll get them in the future before Foundations rotates.
The fabled return of Sir Cootius Root!
This madre me lol
I love the variety in standard! You got the mono-black decks, the black-reds, the black-whites, the black-greens, the black-blues, the black-blue-whites. Then you have the mono-red decks and the other ones that pretend they aren't mono-red by splashing green or white. Endless possibilities!
So what I’m hearing is, either a version of black or mono-red. Lol
For sure! The variety is amazing. However, I just feel like there's a deck out there that could make use of Deep Cavern Bat... I really feel like that card needs to start seeing some play.
@@brownout100 hell yeah, that card barely sees play, and i mean, if they run black they should also run Shoeldred that card seems strong!
I understand the poor devs are probably overworked as is, but man, i wish all the alternate win cons had unique animations
Over worked? Never seen a game with less features added lol
There is so much more Wizards could do with animations. It's sort of sad we don't get more cool ones.
@@MTGGoldfish while im glad they moved away from every random mythic having an really extra animation (with some of them looking kind of ugly too), I I do think it'd be nice if some of the more unique cards had something to give them a bit more flair.
or at least a generic one for alt win cons that don't have unique animations
@@Crusina There are SO many new cards with new mechanics added every few months.
seth building brews with every nonbasic land type series
Seth has the best brews.
Our folds to bloodmoon series.
Does that mean he has to do tron?
@@nubbyboi6523 he will, as soon as they print some insanely janky urza's lands in mh4 or the next un-set.
@ Urza’s Monopoly
Land - Urza’s Tower Mine Power-Plant
Has anyone else noticed how often Seth says that Gates natively enter "untapped" when he means to say "tapped"? :) Luv ya Seth, never change!
I wish you added what you would change about these budget decks if they were no longer budget. Not that it’s applicable in this case, but you used to do that and it gave me something to work towards!
Jim Davis tried to build a maze's end deck in his TH-cam channel, but he didnt believe in omenpath's journey as a tool. Is risky, but it helps. The Titania's command is also a good addition. Nice deck
thinks too much like a pro player, which keeps him back from unlocking the true power of a jank deck
I built a Monogreen deck using Hedge Shredder and selfmill
4 Argoth, Sanctum of Nature
2 Selesnya Guildgate
2 Altanak, the Thrice-Called
2 Hedge Shredder
4 Say Its Name
2 Stubborn Burrowfiend
4 Circuitous Route
2 Greenhouse // Rickety Gazebo
2 Case of the Locked Hothouse
2 Simic Guildgate
2 Bramble Familiar // Fetch Quest
1 Azorius Guildgate
1 Dimir Guildgate
2 Conduit of Worlds
2 Blanchwood Prowler
4 Thran Portal
2 Golgari Guildgate
1 Boros Guildgate
1 Izzet Guildgate
2 Omenpath Journey
4 Maze's End
2 Spelunking
1 Rakdos Guildgate
4 Aftermath Analyst
1 Orzhov Guildgate
2 Gruul Guildgate
2 Loot, Exuberant Explorer
// Sideboard
2 Omenpath Journey
2 Walk-In Closet // Forgotten Cellar
Omenpath's Journey is risky, but overall I think it is good enough, especially if you are cautious about what Gates you grab if you expect removal.
Hedge shredder self mill gates might work
I built this with Hedge Shredder
4 Argoth, Sanctum of Nature
2 Selesnya Guildgate
2 Altanak, the Thrice-Called
2 Hedge Shredder
4 Say Its Name
2 Stubborn Burrowfiend
4 Circuitous Route
2 Greenhouse // Rickety Gazebo
2 Case of the Locked Hothouse
2 Simic Guildgate
2 Bramble Familiar // Fetch Quest
1 Azorius Guildgate
1 Dimir Guildgate
2 Conduit of Worlds
2 Blanchwood Prowler
4 Thran Portal
2 Golgari Guildgate
1 Boros Guildgate
1 Izzet Guildgate
2 Omenpath Journey
4 Maze's End
2 Spelunking
1 Rakdos Guildgate
4 Aftermath Analyst
1 Orzhov Guildgate
2 Gruul Guildgate
2 Loot, Exuberant Explorer
// Sideboard
2 Omenpath Journey
2 Walk-In Closet // Forgotten Cellar
This sounds sweet
That does sound sweet
There’s a surprising amount of graveyard recursion for lands in Standard at the moment. Toss in a Lumra and/or Bonny Pall and you’ve got some significant bodies for when the combo win isn’t going so well too.
I tried and it works
Ahhhh! I've missed hearing about Eldraine's lost knight: Syr Cootius
You should make a physical tracker that makes it easier to check which ones you have. Like an abacus type design, slide some coin or labeled object to the right when you have that gate on the field, and to the left when you don't have it yet
Smart
The gates deck was great, but Valgavoth driving a car is the real content here
I am making this comment without checking Seth’s decklist, but my first instinct against a maze deck is always removing Rakdos guildgate, which always seem to be a bad color combination for any maze deck, so it is mostly a 1 copy gate.
For a deck like this, I'd definitely want to track the Gates I had outside of looking at tiny squares on a screen. The notes app I use has a checklist mode, so I'd just write down all the Gates in the deck I had, check them off as they are played, and look at the unchecked ones when tutoring for the next one. Just something that might make tracking it easier!
You could also put their total copies next to the name, to make it easy to differentiate between the one-of and multiple-of gates
hey seth dont forget about the cave land that enters and becomes a copy of any land in your graveyard.... 😅
specifically works with spelunking as well
We need Gates though
@MTGGoldfish , yes, but it would then be a gate, and would let you recuperate a gate that you may not be able to recur via spells
Side board against mill obviously
@@MTGGoldfish seth...its a gate....that was a cave....let that sink in 😉
My first deck was budget Gates in Historic, so it's really cool to see it coming up here!
I will be honest maze’s end snuck back into standard without me noticing until the video, there’s a bunch of cool new/old stuff we can do now in standard but I chosen to be the most toxic player possible pun intended and I’m sure everyone hates me right now but I’m having a blast. I have waited 2 years to play rotpriest and when llanowar elf was spoiled I figured now was my best opportunity for my pile. Rotpriest, mockingbird, invasion of ikoria, and fleeting reflection (which also targets two creatures for extra triggers) make for a lot of possible rotpriest on top of ivy spelltheif to double spells make for a fun posion deck that I’m sure no one wants to actually play against.
4 rotpriest
4 llanowar elf
3 mockingbird
4 ivy spelltheif
3 invasion of ikoria
4 fleeting reflection
4 enter the enigma
4 tyvar’s stand
4 snakeskin veil
4 royal treatment
4 shore up
18 land including thran portal for more color fixing because you really need untapped sources only.
Used to play Maze's End deck years ago in the old Standard format. Obviously, it is a tier-2 or below deck but it was very enjoyable when you managed to pull a win off. There were tons of fog effects and draw engines back then but there was nothing like Spelunking and the frog. Both cards speed up the process a lot.
19:18 Flywheeler was a crazy card in the pre-foundations selesnya Kona deck. it on t2 + t1 citanul stalwart (also in the opponent's deck) was how we did T3 Kona bombs before we had access to llanowar elves. Now that the kona deck has elves and omniscience i personally don't play flywheel or stalwart anymore but it's neat to see them around
I'm so glad Seth went with Day of Judgement against that reanimator deck. They could've used the vehicle to have Atraxa survive Split Up and I don't think he saw that line. Hopefully the opponent wouldn't've either though lol
Spelunking in general I feel is an underrated card, I run that and hedge shredder in my grolnok deck and it goes brrrrrrrrr
Spelunking is underrated? I think its pretty rated right now.
Outside of standard, I could see "Omo, Queen of Vesuva," being a great include for this deck because she makes non-gates into gates with different names!
Feels a tad slow for Historic Gates and I don't think Gates really work in Legacy/Vintage. Would be fun in Nine-Fingers Keene for EDH
What about some kind of Hedge Shredder + Mazes end to get all of the lands on the battlefield in one turn?
I built a version like this:
4 Argoth, Sanctum of Nature
2 Selesnya Guildgate
2 Altanak, the Thrice-Called
2 Hedge Shredder
4 Say Its Name
2 Stubborn Burrowfiend
4 Circuitous Route
2 Greenhouse // Rickety Gazebo
2 Case of the Locked Hothouse
2 Simic Guildgate
2 Bramble Familiar // Fetch Quest
1 Azorius Guildgate
1 Dimir Guildgate
2 Conduit of Worlds
2 Blanchwood Prowler
4 Thran Portal
2 Golgari Guildgate
1 Boros Guildgate
1 Izzet Guildgate
2 Omenpath Journey
4 Maze's End
2 Spelunking
1 Rakdos Guildgate
4 Aftermath Analyst
1 Orzhov Guildgate
2 Gruul Guildgate
2 Loot, Exuberant Explorer
// Sideboard
2 Omenpath Journey
2 Walk-In Closet // Forgotten Cellar
@@Hanmacx Thats really cool, I might have to see if I have the wildcards to build that!
My biggest takeaway from this is that I still hate Loot’s design and don’t look forward to seeing him in more card art.
Sir Cootious Root is back! My favorite Seth pronunciation! Easily the best knight in the game. Happy Turkey Day Seth! I hope you have a great holiday.
Hedge shredder would be great in the deck
Nothing like some early Olive to start the work week.
At 31:51 your Omenpath clock could've been shorter if you picked fewer lands. I don't think it'd have won you the game, but still could've been a misplay.
I was thinking the same thing. If he just picked Maze's End he would guarentee getting it on end step and I think he would have had an out if he drew Circuitous Route
Oof, poor Seth, that sickness is sticking around, feel better soon!
these decks are always so cool but i would love to see a non budget standard gates deck!! what would you change or improve with an infinite budget?
Hey Seth your recent videos have a real high pitched sound coming through your mic. You can fix it by adding some EQ to cut off the super high frequency range without affecting the overall sound. Just be careful not to be too aggressive with the EQ since you could end up sounding muffled
EDIT: Nevermind, DIFFERENT names. Can't get two maze's ends
31:42 Would have taking just the maze's ends worked here? The first one comes in at end step and you have 5 untapped lands to go up to 8 gates, then next turn you play it, use it, up to 9 gates with 4 mana left, end step another mazes in comes in and you use it and 10 gates and win? I can't tell but it looks like he has 7 gates at this point and maze's end could ramp him even without spelunking.
I'd love to make a commander deck for gates. Stuff to bring gates back to the battlefield and tutor them is even nore important since it's singleton
When as a community can we all agree spelunking is not broken, but it can break other synergies?
Hmmm, so what kind of lands will we see in Aetherdrift? If it's a race where you cross over in different planes via omenpaths, which are portals/gates, then it might be likely that we'd get a land simply called 'Omenpath' or similar.
Seth’s consistent mispronunciations are always great.
What do you think about enigma jewel in a maze's end list? It has been a house with fountainport/mirrex. You can even start maze ending activating as early as turn 3. Omen hawker is too vulnerable to removal, but enigma jewel does crazy stuff and fuels cards like mazemind tome or collector's vault and ramps/searches into wraths
Nice to see my favourite knight in MTG
Was waiting for this video the moment maze’s end was spoiled
11:44 The power of WHAT
I don't get it. I am subscribed to MTGGoldfish and all your other channels, but I never EVER get a notification when a new video drops. Meanwhile I get notifications for junk I don't care about every other day. I wish TH-cam stopped being such a derp, since I love all your content. Thanks Seth and glad to see your cough is clearing up!
So I’m just getting into trading cards and are collecting some here and there from different games/sets. I know next to nothing about MTG. I bought for MTG the Fallout sets and hoping to pickup the LoTR sets. As these are more branded sets, any suggestions for where I should look for getting some, what I would call, unbranded MTG cards. I am Mainly looking at aesthetics for now as I will most likely be collecting them and just admiring the artistry in them.
No Joke i was really waiting on the Gate Deck from seth 🎉
My favorite opponent was the one playing Black
This was a fun video! Thought about how annoying this would be to play in paper though LMAO
It seems like aftermath analyst is better than omenpath journey. You do end up skewing towards self mill if you build that way. World soul rage, jace, mazes end might be a thing.
Oh geez after that hedge shredder turn maybe that's the way to ramp into gates
If the new capenna etb sac lands were still in standard omenpaths journey's landfall triggers would be crazy. I hope someone messed with that when they were there together.
100 dollars being the new budget magic is crazy.
so you said break the hedge shredder... why not do it in a gates deck? mill gates put them all into play?
Is Rest in peace good against slasher?
Fun, but what in the world would it do vs any mono red/gruul aggressive deck or control deck with counter spells?
the deck doesnt really care if you counter the ramps spells and in regards to Mono Red I would use Elspeth's Smite main deck
I would love Price of Progress to be in standard 😂
I am a great believer in Deadly Cover Up. Time to make some gate players cry
@MTGgoldfish Seth you should check your vitamin levels with a blood test, and you might be able to get some supplements so you don't have to suffer through a flu the entire winter.
Sir Cutious returns!
A few friends and I are working on a Dandan (forgetful fish) variant with mazes end as the win con.
If anyone has any ideas shout em out. I will probably start a reddit thread soon
All I want now is a card that rewards players for having gates, deserts, and caves on the field at the same time.
I kinda want to see Gates vs Caves
Could a Progenitus brew be possible in standard?
Kona restue bestie
Even your sideboard counterspells are on theme, you have neGATEs
Sir cutious is back!
I love gates decks.
"Sometimes opponents just draw exactly what they need no matter what you've done"
MTG for y'all lmao
I swear it was such a miss not calling the deck "gate over."
Can anyone explain what is the rationale behind using removal on the slasher & not the bloodletter that doesn't come back from being sent to the graveyard
Slasher still kills us super quickly even without Bloodletter. Ideally we'll kill the Slasher and the find a sweeper to deal with it forever before the stun counters are gone.
no archdruid charm?
Isn't Rest in Peace potentially detrimental to you? I think Leyline would be better overall.
We don't really have graveyard synergies outside of the Room Crucible of Worlds in the sideboard, so I think it's fine.
The gate subtype would fit aetherdrift
Why didn't just get lost the hedge shredder before they got any value from it
Love Maze's End and enjoy the content, but Seth Probably Better Known As SaffronOlive has sounded really sick in all his videos this week and should probably take a couple days off to recover.
Ramp combo… Rambo?
No room for Fog Bank?
is farewell in the format?
No
@robman102 good thing it is in explorer format. Time to be evil
I have only seen the first game of the first match but I imagine assembling ten different lands is not going to fare well in a standard with two OTK combos
I van fianlly play this again after building it in explorer and that not being good enough after a set or two
Has it been a decade, I feel old
👴🏻 “back in my day you could even try to use alternative win-cons in modern” 😅😢
Sir-Q-It-Us
Gatekeeping Standard
What you’ll catch me doing if someone brings their Spider-Man deck to the table.
@@jellywillreturn is just game, why you heff to be mad?
If only Keane the Nine-Fingered was in standard
Is cir-cootious route a route that gives you cooties? Do you get them from the boilerbiggles?
Sir Cutie, us root for him.
FLYwheel racer, not fleetwheel.
Sir cue eh tuss (circuitous)
Gated Haunted House?
not impressed by omenpath journey. "4 mana ramp 5, potentially" is kind of like saying the lookout is 3 mana deal 20, potentially
"Little critter on an omenpath journey, got lost" in the news headline
Seth, on the off chance that you don't just say it that way for the meme it is pronounced: "sir-kit-us"
sir-que-it-us
"Bedder Gnown"
Sir Cootius Root
FIRST THANK YOU SAFFRON !
watched
Anyone else have to listen to this on 1.25? seemed like he was talking way slower for some reason.
this doesnt even feel like standard anymore
Get out of my walls lol I just started playing with gates again like 2hrs ago
Best.
I love ya Seth, but your biggest flaw is that you are a gate deck player. I hate Mazes end, lol.
SIR QUEUE IT US Route, really not too hard
$100 in gems?
It seems like Felidar Retreat is a natural include in a lands matters deck.
nearly 6 years and seth still can’t pronounce circuitous
where's the fun-of doppelgang? you're ramping anyway and have spelunking
and you could copy the Maze's End to do more search per turn