Council of Trent’s Excomunicable offenses #4 under Sacraments “If any one saith, that, after the consecration is completed, the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ are not in the admirable sacrament of the Eucharist, but (are there) only during the use, whilst it is being taken, and not either before or after; and that, in the hosts, or consecrated particles, which are reserved or which remain after communion, the true Body of the Lord remaineth not; let him be anathema.”
Thank you Father. This response was similar also to Father Ripperger who addressed a similar concern in one of his conferences…he used to be a Fraternity Priest as well, I believe. We are so very blessed to have good, orthodox, and knowledgeable priests within the Church. Especially with the novelties and heresies we see abound amongst many prelates and priests….
The use of the communion plate also called paten is ideal for picking the fragments as well. Nobody can tell how small a particle can be until the presence of Christ ceases, although sometimes particles less than a mm wide are caught by the servers. It's reasonable to assume that very small particles such as those hold the presence of Christ, and they could easily be lost if not caught or the paten is not kept horizontal and steady at all times. Thankfully is not a sacrilege to accidentally lose a particle (could be an accidental profanation though), another thing entirely is to not take reasonable means to collect as many particles as possible so that the priest can purify them properly as in the TLM ablutions, not just use a purificator and scatter them all over.
This is a great explanation of the issue. I’ve never understood how people think it is realistic to literally never step foot in any Catholic Church on the off chance they might step on a particle. Yet this is what people believe.
The smallest part of the smallest part of a consecrated host contains the whole Christ, Full and Entire, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in the manner of a substance. If you were to see the bottom of a ciborium, you would "err" on the side of devotion. Note, I said devotion, not "caution." Caution deals with avoidance of accident of mistake. Devotion deals with love and fidelity.
@@jacksoncastelino04 I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re still working on an extensively long list of Sacred Traditions that after 4 days of waiting for an answer you still haven’t provided them and not that you have nothing to back up yoir baseless accusation.
I went to Mass at a novosorto parish and the homily the priest said that to say there’s no salvation outside the Catholic Church is hearasy Is this true? If so than why are we to evangelize? Ty
It is an established doctrine of the church. However, just because someone calls themselves Catholic does not mean they automatically merit eternal life. We must obey the commandments and grow in holiness by partaking in the church’s sacraments and doing God’s will for our life. As St Paul says “he who endures until the end will be saved” and he must “fight the good fight”. That is not to say that there may not be other means by which others inside or outside the church may be saved. If you know those who are outside the church, the best thing you can do is pray and offer penances and sacrifices for them as those can be redemptive.
It is true, but just partially. The catholic church is the only way to the fullness of truth. It is the best way to come closer to god on this earth. However: Think about a christian who has heard about something that is called "catholic church", but his pastor warns him about it. So the only thing he knows about the church, is that his pastor believes that it is false. But still he lives a holy-like life, prays a lot and reads the bible. And the church teaches, that it is possilbe that god chooses to bring him into heaven, after the purification, that we call "purgatory". On the other hand: If you know that the church is the truth, but still decide to get into a schism, for political reasons, there is no salvation outside the catholic church for you.
I think Father’s thinking - with all due respect- is a little off and I suspect is motivated by trying to justify the awful conditions that Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament is subjected to within the Novus Ordo environment. It strikes me as a slippery slope indeed to suggest that the condition under which the Holy Eucharist as per St Thomas Aquinas is still present is determined by its discernability as bread - by implication from the human eye. My wife is legally blind, does that mean the Eucharist isn’t the Eucharist because she can’t discern it visually? I don’t think for a moment this is what Aquinas is saying, yet seems to be the implication here.
Exactly - As much as our Lord does not approve of unworthy reception or desecration of the Eucharist, he is not “pained” by it, at least not now in heaven (where he is presently located). (It is possible that, with his divine foreknowledge, Jesus was aware of future unworthy receptions of the Eucharist, even as he walked this earth 2000 years ago, and that this was a cause of pain back then.) Let’s look at it. First of all, Jesus retains his human nature in Heaven and will retain it for all eternity. (See CCC 659.) However, because he has ascended into Heaven (where he is LOCALLY present), he is now glorified and therefore impassible; that is, he can no longer suffer. (This is a property of all glorified bodies, including Christ’s; see Revelation 21:4.) Second, it should be noted that, although the presence of Jesus in the Eucharist is real and substantial (that is, the consecrated bread and wine are no longer actual bread or wine, but Jesus), it is a sacramental presence - different from a “local” presence. (See CCC 1353 and 1369.) One is not to imagine that our consumption of the sacred species causes harm to Jesus physical body that is in Heaven. In a similar way, it is not as though Jesus feels a physical discomfort or anything like that when someone receives him unworthily. It follows that no action on our own part can harm or otherwise grieve Jesus in the Eucharist… although, of course, deliberately receiving Christ unworthily or desecrating the Eucharist is extremely harmful for the person who does it. That’s the big concern! We have a reverential duty. Naturally, people are not responsible inadvertently stepping on small particles-provided it is truly inadvertent and not due to negligence or something like that. In that case, it does not even harm or affect the persons who do it, still less Jesus. And while Jesus is still fully present in the tiny broken fragments or visible pieces of crumbs, once the Eucharistic species suffer a change sufficiently great that they no longer have the properties of bread or wine, then the sacramental presence ceases. Christ is not sacramentally present in micro-particles of the host that are barely visible to the human eye. Hence, in essence, for the host, the Presence remains until it has been dissolved into a paste or divided into minuscule particles; for the wine, the Presence remains until it is diluted or divided into minuscule droplets. (That is why, for example, the priest, deacon, or acolyte uses water to purify the vessels after Communion: this action dissolves any remaining particles of the host and dilutes any remaining drops of the Precious Blood. Although minuscule particles of the Host technically do not retain the Presence, out of reverence for the Presence that was once there, care should be taken lest these fall to the floor. Thus, for example, any breaking of the host should always be done over the corporal-the white cloth on which the species are consecrated-and when Communion is given out, someone should generally hold a paten or other receptacle underneath to catch any falling hosts or particles.) It is hard to pinpoint the exact moment after receiving Communion that the Presence ceases, but it’s safe to say the Host remains Christ's body until it is broken down in our digestive systems.
I disagree, prior to Vatican 2 everyone knew Jesus is in ALL particles of the Communion host and when I used to bring communions in a pix, YES there are particles in the pix just from the hosts being in there. Better to err with extreme caution, this is God we are talking about not bread!!!
I am trapped at a Novus Ordo parish for now because I do not have a car capable of getting me all the way to my Ordinariate parish, where reception is only by intinction. I have not been going up to receive Communion because everyone else other than one or two people receive in the Calvinist way (on the hand), and I do not want to be walking on particles of the Host. I'm not sure I agree with Fr here, but I will keep studying. I do believe that the Church has the absolute obligation to do the most it can reasonably do to prevent the loss of particles of the Host, namely, to restore the practice of the old Roman Rite in the entire Western Church. Intinction, I think, is the only reasonable way to receive both Species while safeguarding against abuse.
I'm not a priest, but I seriously think you should reconsider receiving communion. As Fr said, extremely small particles which are not discernably bread are not the Body of Christ. This is *NOT* just Fr's opinion, as he cited Thomas Aquinas. Additionally, on matters that we are not knowledgeable on, we should default to priests who have been trained and formed for many years and are living a higher state than us (Fr. also belongs to a society which goes out of its way to have reverence for the Eucharist). Even if you were at a Latin Mass, particles of the Host could fall off the paten. Additionally, the people receiving communion in the hand are the reason why you have these concerns, it's one thing if you see discernably visible particles of the Host drop on the floor - its another thing for very small particles to fall that you can't see and would be unable to even find to fall because of someone else. You are not committing a sin or contributing to irreverence by simply walking in a church. If anything, if you receive on the tongue kneeling, you may be a good witness to the Real Presence for those receiving on the hand. I once heard a story that came from Fr. Faber about a priest who was overly concerned with the falling of particles during the mass. Fr. Faber told him "leave some for the angels". Meaning, don't be concerned about particles of the Host to the point of being scrupulous. There is a good midway point between caring about the details/being reverent and having scruples about it. God doesn't want us to live in fear about these kinds of things. We should bring back patens for distributing communion, and many of the novus ordo parishes I have been to have them which do help to collect particles that may fall. Also, if a Host falls to the ground, paten or not, the area should be purified with water and a purificator. I completely agree we need more reverence, but this concern should get to the point where it becomes a burden to our spiritual life. Above all, Jesus wants to come to us in the Blessed Sacrament. The value of just one communion is infinite, don't deprive yourself of it because of worries that you have created.
I disagree with your description of the size of “the bread”! My friend brought communion to her mother- in- law who was home bound. When my friend picked up the host from the pix she thought she saw a particle fall to the floor out of the corner of her eye. She gave her mother-in-law communion and as close was closing the pix a voice said to her interior, “aren’t you going to pick me up”! She looked down saw the tiny particle and put it in the pix to bring back to the church to have the priest cleanse it. It is dangerous to say “ if you can’t see the particle”. I am over 50 and don’t see as well as someone in the 20’s! Be careful w/ generalities see if they apply to all ages!!!
@@bobskanal My point is, if it is a "partical" Jesus is present in his entirety. All particle sizes qualify! I asked the priest at the noon Mass if he would go over the correct way to receive in the hand, to instruct people to make a throne with their hands. He never did.
Council of Trent’s Excomunicable offenses #4 under Sacraments
“If any one saith, that, after the consecration is completed, the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ are not in the admirable sacrament of the Eucharist, but (are there) only during the use, whilst it is being taken, and not either before or after; and that, in the hosts, or consecrated particles, which are reserved or which remain after communion, the true Body of the Lord remaineth not; let him be anathema.”
The answer is to receive holy communion kneeling and on the tongue. Much less likely that any particle would fall on the floor.
Thank you Father. This response was similar also to Father Ripperger who addressed a similar concern in one of his conferences…he used to be a Fraternity Priest as well, I believe. We are so very blessed to have good, orthodox, and knowledgeable priests within the Church. Especially with the novelties and heresies we see abound amongst many prelates and priests….
The use of the communion plate also called paten is ideal for picking the fragments as well.
Nobody can tell how small a particle can be until the presence of Christ ceases, although sometimes particles less than a mm wide are caught by the servers.
It's reasonable to assume that very small particles such as those hold the presence of Christ, and they could easily be lost if not caught or the paten is not kept horizontal and steady at all times.
Thankfully is not a sacrilege to accidentally lose a particle (could be an accidental profanation though), another thing entirely is to not take reasonable means to collect as many particles as possible so that the priest can purify them properly as in the TLM ablutions, not just use a purificator and scatter them all over.
This is a great explanation of the issue. I’ve never understood how people think it is realistic to literally never step foot in any Catholic Church on the off chance they might step on a particle. Yet this is what people believe.
Communion only on the tongue...❤
So who decides how big a particle must be before it is still considered the Body of Christ ?
Great books in the background!!
The smallest part of the smallest part of a consecrated host contains the whole Christ, Full and Entire, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in the manner of a substance. If you were to see the bottom of a ciborium, you would "err" on the side of devotion. Note, I said devotion, not "caution." Caution deals with avoidance of accident of mistake. Devotion deals with love and fidelity.
Normalise Communion only on tongue/kneeling
God bless the SSPX
Does God bless division? Does God bless disobedience? Does God bless dissent against St. Peter?
@@in_defense_of_the_church That You Should ask to Those who Brought The Division by being Disobedient to The Sacred Tradition
@@jacksoncastelino04 what Sacred Tradition are you referring to? In other words, be specific about your accusation.
@@jacksoncastelino04 I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re still working on an extensively long list of Sacred Traditions that after 4 days of waiting for an answer you still haven’t provided them and not that you have nothing to back up yoir baseless accusation.
I went to Mass at a novosorto parish and the homily the priest said that to say there’s no salvation outside the Catholic Church is hearasy
Is this true? If so than why are we to evangelize? Ty
It is an established doctrine of the church. However, just because someone calls themselves Catholic does not mean they automatically merit eternal life. We must obey the commandments and grow in holiness by partaking in the church’s sacraments and doing God’s will for our life. As St Paul says “he who endures until the end will be saved” and he must “fight the good fight”. That is not to say that there may not be other means by which others inside or outside the church may be saved. If you know those who are outside the church, the best thing you can do is pray and offer penances and sacrifices for them as those can be redemptive.
It's not heresy, and has been an article of faith since forever. A V2 idea I suspect. I love your ''Novosorto'' term! I shall use it!
It is true, but just partially. The catholic church is the only way to the fullness of truth. It is the best way to come closer to god on this earth. However: Think about a christian who has heard about something that is called "catholic church", but his pastor warns him about it. So the only thing he knows about the church, is that his pastor believes that it is false. But still he lives a holy-like life, prays a lot and reads the bible. And the church teaches, that it is possilbe that god chooses to bring him into heaven, after the purification, that we call "purgatory". On the other hand: If you know that the church is the truth, but still decide to get into a schism, for political reasons, there is no salvation outside the catholic church for you.
In other words, Communion on the hand is sacrilege.
I think Father’s thinking - with all due respect- is a little off and I suspect is motivated by trying to justify the awful conditions that Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament is subjected to within the Novus Ordo environment. It strikes me as a slippery slope indeed to suggest that the condition under which the Holy Eucharist as per St Thomas Aquinas is still present is determined by its discernability as bread - by implication from the human eye. My wife is legally blind, does that mean the Eucharist isn’t the Eucharist because she can’t discern it visually? I don’t think for a moment this is what Aquinas is saying, yet seems to be the implication here.
Exactly - As much as our Lord does not approve of unworthy reception or desecration of the Eucharist, he is not “pained” by it, at least not now in heaven (where he is presently located).
(It is possible that, with his divine foreknowledge, Jesus was aware of future unworthy receptions of the Eucharist, even as he walked this earth 2000 years ago, and that this was a cause of pain back then.)
Let’s look at it. First of all, Jesus retains his human nature in Heaven and will retain it for all eternity. (See CCC 659.) However, because he has ascended into Heaven (where he is LOCALLY present), he is now glorified and therefore impassible; that is, he can no longer suffer. (This is a property of all glorified bodies, including Christ’s; see Revelation 21:4.)
Second, it should be noted that, although the presence of Jesus in the Eucharist is real and substantial (that is, the consecrated bread and wine are no longer actual bread or wine, but Jesus), it is a sacramental presence - different from a “local” presence. (See CCC 1353 and 1369.) One is not to imagine that our consumption of the sacred species causes harm to Jesus physical body that is in Heaven. In a similar way, it is not as though Jesus feels a physical discomfort or anything like that when someone receives him unworthily.
It follows that no action on our own part can harm or otherwise grieve Jesus in the Eucharist… although, of course, deliberately receiving Christ unworthily or desecrating the Eucharist is extremely harmful for the person who does it. That’s the big concern! We have a reverential duty.
Naturally, people are not responsible inadvertently stepping on small particles-provided it is truly inadvertent and not due to negligence or something like that. In that case, it does not even harm or affect the persons who do it, still less Jesus.
And while Jesus is still fully present in the tiny broken fragments or visible pieces of crumbs, once the Eucharistic species suffer a change sufficiently great that they no longer have the properties of bread or wine, then the sacramental presence ceases. Christ is not sacramentally present in micro-particles of the host that are barely visible to the human eye.
Hence, in essence, for the host, the Presence remains until it has been dissolved into a paste or divided into minuscule particles; for the wine, the Presence remains until it is diluted or divided into minuscule droplets.
(That is why, for example, the priest, deacon, or acolyte uses water to purify the vessels after Communion: this action dissolves any remaining particles of the host and dilutes any remaining drops of the Precious Blood. Although minuscule particles of the Host technically do not retain the Presence, out of reverence for the Presence that was once there, care should be taken lest these fall to the floor. Thus, for example, any breaking of the host should always be done over the corporal-the white cloth on which the species are consecrated-and when Communion is given out, someone should generally hold a paten or other receptacle underneath to catch any falling hosts or particles.)
It is hard to pinpoint the exact moment after receiving Communion that the Presence ceases, but it’s safe to say the Host remains Christ's body until it is broken down in our digestive systems.
I disagree, prior to Vatican 2 everyone knew Jesus is in ALL particles of the Communion host and when I used to bring communions in a pix, YES there are particles in the pix just from the hosts being in there. Better to err with extreme caution, this is God we are talking about not bread!!!
I am trapped at a Novus Ordo parish for now because I do not have a car capable of getting me all the way to my Ordinariate parish, where reception is only by intinction. I have not been going up to receive Communion because everyone else other than one or two people receive in the Calvinist way (on the hand), and I do not want to be walking on particles of the Host.
I'm not sure I agree with Fr here, but I will keep studying. I do believe that the Church has the absolute obligation to do the most it can reasonably do to prevent the loss of particles of the Host, namely, to restore the practice of the old Roman Rite in the entire Western Church. Intinction, I think, is the only reasonable way to receive both Species while safeguarding against abuse.
I'm not a priest, but I seriously think you should reconsider receiving communion. As Fr said, extremely small particles which are not discernably bread are not the Body of Christ. This is *NOT* just Fr's opinion, as he cited Thomas Aquinas. Additionally, on matters that we are not knowledgeable on, we should default to priests who have been trained and formed for many years and are living a higher state than us (Fr. also belongs to a society which goes out of its way to have reverence for the Eucharist).
Even if you were at a Latin Mass, particles of the Host could fall off the paten. Additionally, the people receiving communion in the hand are the reason why you have these concerns, it's one thing if you see discernably visible particles of the Host drop on the floor - its another thing for very small particles to fall that you can't see and would be unable to even find to fall because of someone else. You are not committing a sin or contributing to irreverence by simply walking in a church. If anything, if you receive on the tongue kneeling, you may be a good witness to the Real Presence for those receiving on the hand.
I once heard a story that came from Fr. Faber about a priest who was overly concerned with the falling of particles during the mass. Fr. Faber told him "leave some for the angels". Meaning, don't be concerned about particles of the Host to the point of being scrupulous. There is a good midway point between caring about the details/being reverent and having scruples about it. God doesn't want us to live in fear about these kinds of things. We should bring back patens for distributing communion, and many of the novus ordo parishes I have been to have them which do help to collect particles that may fall. Also, if a Host falls to the ground, paten or not, the area should be purified with water and a purificator. I completely agree we need more reverence, but this concern should get to the point where it becomes a burden to our spiritual life.
Above all, Jesus wants to come to us in the Blessed Sacrament. The value of just one communion is infinite, don't deprive yourself of it because of worries that you have created.
The devil uses you piety against you. Go and recieve the eucharist.
I disagree with your description of the size of “the bread”! My friend brought communion to her mother- in- law who was home bound. When my friend picked up the host from the pix she thought she saw a particle fall to the floor out of the corner of her eye. She gave her mother-in-law communion and as close was closing the pix a voice said to her interior, “aren’t you going to pick me up”! She looked down saw the tiny particle and put it in the pix to bring back to the church to have the priest cleanse it. It is dangerous to say “ if you can’t see the particle”. I am over 50 and don’t see as well as someone in the 20’s! Be careful w/ generalities see if they apply to all ages!!!
It was still the eucharist, because she saw it as the eucharist and still decided to ignore it.
@@bobskanal My point is, if it is a "partical" Jesus is present in his entirety. All particle sizes qualify! I asked the priest at the noon Mass if he would go over the correct way to receive in the hand, to instruct people to make a throne with their hands. He never did.
@@maryannelizabeth10 Some priests these days...