I believe that we are projecting who we are. Meaning, narcissist are the way they are because inside they feel extremely scarce. It’s like a person who is full, will not be desperate for more. Similarly, a hungry man is in dire need to consume. A narcissist is like someone who’s starving inside and instinctively need to be on the take. And a starving person has nothing to give either. To me, a person becomes a narcissist because at the core of it, there is an underlying belief that they are not enough. That’s the paradox. What is interesting is why this is so widespread in this age. I think it’s because externally we seem to have accomplished a lot but internally there is poverty or starvation. And narcissistic expressions is almost like the soul crying for help. Problem is one can never see themselves let alone help themselves unless they stop and look inward (reflection).
My recent observation of a narcissist losing it, almost seemed like a cry for help. The more I stayed present and observed the rant, the more they kept going. Quite something to witness. They are hurting and lost in their ego, disconnected from their heart.
Is it unwillingness or the inability to do so? Watching this from the perspective of a person with narcissistic tendencies, I believe I have an understanding of the internal process of a true narcissist. I would sum it up as "you don't know what you don't know." The inability to emphasize with others and take their feelings into account is because they can't put themselves in other's people's shoes. Not won't. Narcissists are the most wounded among us. They shut down because reality was too painful. They can't feel love. Are you even alive if you can't feel love? It's torturous. That being said, I understand the abuse one suffers at the hands of a narcissist, and I am not defending the behavior or damage they cause. I just want to extend a small degree of understanding and empathy to narcissists because, nevertheless, they are still human. I would love to hear other thoughts on this and am open to different perspectives. Thank you!
@@Sarah-sv6wg Interesting point of view, I understand that lack of feelings, you know, is not like we have to “feel “ love for everyone, but knowing by first hand how they think & behave, I’m sure they cause damage with the intention to hurt and they enjoy watching you suffer. I don’t know exactly how their brains function but they can convince everyone you are wrong, crazy, or simply change the reality like Hitler, have you ever think how in the world he was able to convince millions of “decent “ people that killing the Jews was the best idea to clean human DNA from de illness and genetic diseases. They are charming, they know how to use words, they are perfect on the outside. I m sorry, I definitely have no empathy for these #%*-
My husband’s mother was very strongly narcissistic - and I saw a pic @ her funeral of the little girl of 4 - her posture , her facial expression and her positioning of her hands communicated a deeply terrorized and frightened child . I then put the many stories together of her early life - that I had been told - many of them by her @ my invitation - and stories that came out at her funeral ( privately to me ) - yes - a tortuous way to live for a beautiful human child - and the denial that increases tension over the years as it MUST be maintained within the psyche - one believes / she believed in order to survive and to belong . The tragic and Dark side of being born human. ❤
@@Sarah-sv6wg Thank you for this. Exactly - unwillingness or inability? the difference is crucial, in fact life-threatening for the narcissist. Yours is an expression rarely seen on the plethora of videos on narcissism. I cannot tell you how I appreciate it and your deeper understanding. I'm sorry to say it but even this from the honorable CM makes me sick. Pls see my comment above, and thank you again.
I was emotionally and psychologically abused by a covert narcissist. Rather than identify myself as their victim, I call myself their survivor. For me, the only way to heal was to get completely away from them, block them from any further access to my life, and start over. To this day, I carry with me the lessons she taught me. Nowadays I can spot a narc coming at me from 100 miles away.
It's like we have to be naive to fall for their illusions. But once out of the illusion, we see them so clearly. In my case, I discovered how it manifested in my family and I was surrounded by it, only to find out afterwards how my friendship was a reproduction of my family dynamic. Once you disassociate with each of them, the more power you feel, the better investments you make. Stay blessed. ❤
Be mindful of how you use language. You call yourself "their" survivor - that's possession, that is staying in the personal, keeping your caboose hitched to their power. You were winnowed and weathered and seasoned by a human who embodied a dimension of the Archetype of Narcissist. You have learned to identify a calibre of narcissist - you get to collect the whole set with time and terms such as victim/survivor/wound/heal become irrelevant. May the odds be ever in your flavour.
I was married to a man who had NPD, for 14 years. I did not know he was in the beginning. I have been through it all and to try and explain it to someone else is almost impossible. To understand it they would need to go through it.
All those who incarnate have 2-3 narcissistic traits that we use for our survival. Just because we show these traits doesn't mean they are a full on narcissist. It's helpful to remember that those who show an overwhelming number of these traits have the lowest form of self esteem. Yes it just to remove yourself from their need to control you but as I have learned sending love to these individuals (from afar) helps heal you. We contracted these individuals into our lives for soul growth and expansion. You can't change them but you certainly can change your self. I needed to be more loving to myself. I needed to realize my self-worth, and the individuals who I contracted to help me in this life did an absolutely amazing job and I thank them every day. 🙏 (of course in prayer)
Thank you 🥰 I hope my thoughts help those who suffer. When my parent transitioned into spirit they came to my sister and I and said," don't forget, you both agreed to this," which reminded us that we are not victims but participants in a plan that is difficult for most humans to comprehend. I'm just so grateful for Sacred Contracts 🙏. Caroline's book helped me let go and be thankful. I gift it to those who are struggling. Sending love ❤️
I like to describe the difference (between a True Narcissist and someone with traits of it) as those with traits, will "catch" themselves, become introspective to try and overcome it or at least are AWARE of it... but True Blue Narcs NEVER EVER and CANNOT do that. And you are absolutely right about an experience with a Narc being soul growth producing. For sure.
Carolyne, as I was listening you, I slowly became inraged because it reminded me of someone that I trusted the most. He was the most spiritual person I knew, one of the most intelligent man . A poet and an artist and our friendship lasted 35 years. I never though of him being a narcissist but as you were describing the characteristics of a narcissist , I recognized him. I think the most dangerous ones, are the ones that are very spiritual. I never associated spirituality and narcissism together. It’s a dangerous combination . Thank you Carolyne for another fascinating archetype.
I’ve heard this referred to as spiritual materialism. Even spirituality can become an extension of the ego and confirmation of one’s superiority over others. “I’m so enlightened, I’m so much more healed than everyone else, etc. “. I think it’s one of the most insidious presentations because it’s cloaked in “goodness”.
“It’s like getting them out of a cult”. 👏👏👏 Absolutely. I do know a man who definitely has narcissistic personality disorder and it causes immense suffering in his life. He is acutely *aware* that he has NPD, however has no commitment to changing it. I appreciate you said that narcissists need to feel superior/extraordinary in order to feel safe.
My ex didn't think he needed to change. He would only resist, and it's not worth my time and energy. It's not my job to rescue. I don't agree with decisions to violate marital vows, but I accept that ex did what HE wanted to do as a low vibrational being.
I think the reason that self awareness has blossomed is because for centuries, there were the masters and the slaves , the ones in power, and the ones serving the power, and we have entered the age where resources and information are available to everyone if they acknowledge their self responsibility and develop their Skills and talents to no longer be a servant, so self awareness is important to get out from under the rock of master /slave mentality!
such an interesting concept. it would explain why marriage is becoming more and more obsolete. the original survival dynamic of marriage no longer serves us.
Thank you for your wonderful messages. I always get so much from them. One part that I’d like to offer an alternative perspective to is regarding the idea that narcissism is on the increase in current times. I’m in my 60’s and grew up with highly accomplished narcissistic family members. All of their damaging behavior was culturally acceptable in those days. Their sense of entitlement was expected both outside the family and within it. I’m not a psychologist but it seems to me that many cultural norms including sexism, racism, religious supremacy and supremacy-thinking in general are forms of narcissism. I wonder if it seems more prevalent today because we’re becoming more aware of what narcissism is and how cultural norms can mask it, even within a family.
Dearest Caroline, I wish to thank you for your lovingkindness to put forth so much content free for people who do not have the financial resources to pay for the kind of help you are providing. I have purchased: your books, Gaia for access to your Sacred Power Series and Oracle cards, but it takes all those and more information such as your Power of Archetypes series, as we process more and go in to new, deeper terrain for understanding and greater healing. I am a beneficiary of your work in the world - it is working, as I am healing. I am beginning the TRANS-ACENSION now. Sacred Power was really pivotal for my breaking through and the Archetypes Series is carrying me across the threshold. Great Thanks and Gratitude for all you are doing to prepare awakening people. Sincerely, Brenda from Toronto, CANADA
Great content, regarding the, “example," archetype in narcissism. (I sound like a nitpicking narcissist now), but the one word that is missing as far as their withholding is, validation. They crave it but rarely give it, in fact, their contribution may be invalidation. If they knew Einstein, they would tell him, “Great job on that relativity thing, but you never got your personal life in order?” Which brings up an even larger point that, everyone is open to criticism, because no one is perfect. But, the narcissist has the internal need to point out the negative, the flaw, and control the victim through invalidation. The need to feed their ego by devaluing you, it just makes them feel good. Which makes me think it’s a dopamine thing, like a compulsion to self soothe, mixed with a lack of empathy. Validation, is weaponized, to control, devalue, and soothe.
Nailed it on the head 💛 I thought I was going crazy before I even knew this character existed. I was naive. My mum has a nack for sniffing a rat out. 😂 and she pointed things out over time. It saved my life and my sanity. Narcissists are geniuses on their own way. But they are impossible to live with it. Discussions end up confusing you and it would almost be easier to have your finger nails pulled out one by one. You must accept them as they are and let them go. They have worlds to conquer apparently….on their own.
I recommend reading “the human magnet syndrome” by psychotherapist Ross Rosenberg. In that book you’ll learn the history of the boom of narcissism, the different levels of narcissism (including the healthy narcissism she describes later in the video) and much more.
I've noticed a strong UNEVOLVED Scorpio/8th house component to narcissism and also dominant fixed sign influence in their charts. They are very fixed in their beliefs and use the energy of others, typical of the Scorpio character as they commonly use others' resources (energy).
I think of narcissism as a damaged sense of human connection - instead of valuing human connection, they feel a great deal of anxiety or repulsion when faced with the needs and feelings of those connected to them. Often narcissists did not get their actual needs met as children (for a whole variety of reasons) and came to see relationships as inherently unsafe. They learned to value relationships only for what they can get from them. If that is never corrected, then narcissism just gets stronger.
I agree. If wounds were on a scale, narcissists would be some of the most wounded people. Their ways are purely for survival. They learned they can only rely on themselves to survive and as they age, more behaviors develop to survive. There is a belief that relationships that are loving cause the most pain and often a pain that is unbearable. It feels as if they won't survive it. This is where the need for control begins. If they can be in control, they don't get to the point of risking the pain. There are extreme wounds early in life.
Your hair always looks great and so does the rest of you. You also have a wonderful voice and a beautiful diction, both of which you use to say excellent things. Bless you.
The "I'm destined for something special " story, which has fed me up...They were told they "were special and destined for something extraordinary", without telling them that to achieve it, they had to do something about it. I'm also tired of walking on eggshells so that "people destined for something special" don't leave in outbreak. Nothing is free in life, that's it and that's that. Thank you Caroline for having this space ❤.
I'll just say hurt people hurt. I think they are hurting inside more then we could ever be. When we are in pain we grow from there, but they can't, they are just stuck with their pain of nonworthines. That brings compassion and forgivnes in me for those, even if they hurt me I can grow and they remain same, at least in this lifetime. God bless you all and know that you are worthy child of God❤
Thank you so much for this excellent offering, Caroline 🙏 The ego, or 'Imposter Self', is a mental construct which can only fabricate a facsimile (therefore a distortion) of the Real in us. It's ironic we have to go through a phase of identifying with the Impostor Self, which is deficient in its core. We then try and compensate for the feeling of deficiency by Narcissistically trying to be mirrored as 'special' (using others for 'Narcissistic Supply)'. If we're fortunate, it will fall apart on us sooner rather than later, because it doesn't work this way. If we are not fortunate, we can get stuck there and end up holding other people hostage, viewed as sources of supply for us ('feeding off of people' I once heard a person say). It's truly tragic, and it may just be the real underlying pandemic of our time; the entitled 'gimme-gimme-take-take club'. Ironically, it seems that only when we finally hit bottom on this trick, in true humility, can we begin realizing our underlying true luminous nature, beyond any concept of or need for being special. The ego will never understand how this can be the real privilege of a lifetime. The great irony is that the impact of this realization ends up being profoundly humbling. Ask any addict with a long history of recovery. Amazing Grace this human life is, isn't it?!? Offered with best wishes for the Narcissist, and especially for the real one, in us all. Thanks again, Caroline.
Thank you for sharing this. The more I ponder on it the more I realize how my attachment to identifying with that false self had me believing that I was the constant critical voice and not realizing I was under the scrutiny of something I myself made up. Your explanation resonated with me profoundly.
Very well written and described Susan! This is pivotal: "The ego is a mental construct which can only fabricate a facsimile (therefore a distortion) of the Real in us." Soooo helpful written this way! Thank you!
It would be great if narcs were able to reflect and gain humility. In my rather extensive experience, they don't get to that point. Yes, everyday narcissism does follow this path, people with narc traits etc, people who are able to genuinely face their shadow and face their inner demons, those people can change. But the hardcore narcs I know, all past 50 now, haven't changed that much, theyve simply learned fake humility because they're running out of options
Oh brilliant. Having grown up with such a mother , and recognizing some -only some- of these aspects in myself, listening to the full arc of this video, is illuminating and also restful.
I work with many who are healing from narcissistic relationships. Boundaries and self care are key 🔑 💗 Don't engage with them, grey rock em Narcissists have been exposed, because we spiriually aware!
Yep. My friend spends hours telling us how handsome he was, how fun his life was. He says now he is ready to put a bullet in his head,cuz he lost his whole life due to alcoholism
Another reason may be that historically our democracy is being threatened by a narcissist. So important for us to understand the power of the narcissist archetype.
It's now understood that there is a genetic component to this disorder, as well. Our family has generations of narcissists. My older sister and my son are narcissists. It's heartbreaking. They are destructive and leave chaos and injury in their wake. The sister is a malignant narcissist and her behaviors, her scheming, her brutalizing of others is nothing short of evil. All while one can see it all stems from such deep insecurity and anxiety. It must be terrible being in these people's minds.
*NO!* Its not in the genes...! It's a generational curse with familiar demons. Watch the movie Heriditary. Beware of the curses they might cast on you through that movie though. But our lifestories have a spiritual plot. Our souls do not die!
Narcissism is a learned behaviour and why they have no empathy is because they were taught by example. To them it is normal . So normal in fact they believe all parents are like his/her parents behind closed doors.
I will add, even when they “apologize “ is about them! For example: they said, I made a mistake, they never said: I know I hurt you with my infidelity. It’s like...ups , I made a mistake
I know a narcissist very well. I believe he became that way bc he had violent, cruel narcissistic parents. He's not violent, but is really messed up. He's like a powder keg and bristles at even the smallest criticism. He was created by humiliation, shame, and hate. I see his narcissism and related delusions as a coping mechanism.
Well, when you have a narc psycho running from his crimes as a former President no wonder- thank you so much for these - love your take on the archetypal profiles!!! So amazing and interesting!!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much for this 🙏 The last 5 minutes were transformative for me in the acceptance of the other person's journey 🙏💖 I have been struggling with unconditional love in this area particularly, so thank you thank you thank you 😊
It seems like the challenge of true self awareness that is willing to peel through the layers of self importance is just off limits to the narcissist. It takes a dive into deep humility to realize our inherent worth.
After going out with a narcissist, I couldn’t believe it. It was so bad but this particular one it was about the sax so I came up with the word Sexopath I don’t know if that’s a archetype but thank you for your wise insights.
Blown away by the ending of this video. Honestly, I was about to redirect my attention until the last ten minutes when you shifted to focus on the responsibility (and wonderful opportunities) each of us has to live out the meaning our life has been given --- not in the status way of meaning but rather the sense of meaning that lays latent in each of us. Great work.
I was friends with a male friend, I am female, for almost 30 years, and throughout that time I would periodically distance myself because of the gaslighting and the put downs disguised as jokes and stories where I was the object of the joke. Finally, 10 years ago I stopped contact with him but went back after a year. Then two years ago after my mother’s death and the death of a mutual friend, I just could not take it anymore after several instances of emotionally abusive behavior and gaslighting I cut off all contact and although I questioned myself for a year, I now realize I am better off without him in my life. I knew something was wrong, but I blamed myself until I learned more about narcissistic behavior.
Thank you, Carolyn, for your decades of work and contribution....and making significant chunks available for free on TH-cam. This message penetrated deeply. I believe I will be more able to not shut down into shocked and silent fear when interacting with the narcissists in my family of origin---as a result of the insight and perspective you shared. Blessings
I really love how the well rounded the description of this is on all levels, the compassionate description of the wounded low self esteem human that underpins the narcissistic coping strategy, the implied gradations of how extreme or partial narcissism can appear depending on how many of the traits are manifest, and that there can be a higher purpose to aspects of the state - it is not simply evil - and the problem arises more from staying stuck in it and over identifying with and attaching to the state. I've recently been noticing narcissistic traits in myself and in those around me and have been horrified. But I'm seeing that the manifestation of some narcissistic traits does not make this necessarily someone's identity and it can be grown out of. There is a compassionate and growthful way forwards.
Wow. That was a beautiful transition. Yes, we are all sacred and indispensable to the whole, and had we not been, we would not be incarnated here NOW. Namaste.
as an empath before trully purging my shadowself was in relationship with this type of archtype, I am grateful I am walk away. Self love and self respect really win anytime.
Re: 11:38 - Needs a little more salt. Were you at my Thanksgiving table? Because this actually happened. I spent a week shopping, baking and cooking a feast and all my husband could say was that the turkey needed more salt. Like it would kill him to say thank you for the meal. On Thanksgiving, ironically.
Hi Carolyn, I’m just starting your video. I’m thrilled that you’re doing a talk on narcissism. I have 3 narcissists among my close relatives, two overt (dad & BIL) and one covert (sister). Man am I ever looking forward to hearing what you have to say. I’ve learned almost everything I know about narcissism here on TH-cam. I’ve been a fan of your’s since my days in Colorado when I would take the backroads to my job in Boulder. Back then there were still horse farms along the way with a stellar view of the Front Range. Your cassette tape series from Sounds True on Energy Anatomy accompanied me on my long commute both coming and going. I listened to your chakra and archetype teachings again and again until I had them memorized. Later I was grateful that you weighed in on the topic of democracy and that you shared with us that your dad was a Marine. Semper Fi!
8:20 We have been saying for a long minute now, the two types of people are those who are talking about it and those who are too busy doing it to be talking about doing it. 🙂
The hyper-awareness is so apparent. There’s so much anger, anxiety, sense of entitlement and grandiosity everywhere now. My narcissistic mother had narcissism down to a T and of course she didn’t like me because I had her sussed from early age. Society has become very narcissistic but narcissistic aware too. Thank you Caroline. Loved your example of people announcing that they’re made for great things!
A Narc. once said to me “ why do your parents love you so much, you have never done anything special “ Being a good human, daughter, mother, business owner, companion…. just wasn’t that special to the narcissist..
because they don't relate to and experience the true, raw, natural mammalian bond and instinct to connect, nurture and protect. they have no capability to understand another person's feelings..only their own cold superficial perspective. so of course, this one was actually in a cold lizard like way, expressing that they can relate to warm blooded bonding mammals
Hi thank you for this exploration despite your hair😍. I have given thought to the word narcissism since I first heard of it on TH-cam and noticec that I was raised by someone with those tendencies. Not totally narcissistic, they definitely had other very strong and good human qualities but the narcissism is like a bitter sauce over a decent meal. I have also noticed it in many people I have encountered over the course of my life. I. even see some of the narcissist quality in myself sometimes. It's terrifying and very difficult to acknowledge. My sense after years of alchemy classes, is that the modern epidemic of narcissism is coming from a kind of vacuity created by our modern culture and predatory capitalism. Our economic policies have been "sucking" the spirit out of humanity's basic resources- clean air, clean water, nutrient containing food, adequate shelter. Early on in my life it. seemed like it only in those far away"third world" countries like the sweatshops, and dow chemicals in Bhopal and chevron in central and South America.. Now it's just everywhere all the time. . Just as the atom bomb created a vacuum, a fireball then a crater of desolation, somehow that happened to our connection to our natural support system. Some souls still have power enough to bridge the desolate chasm to give and receive life resources. Others are driven by the vacuum , running from it and have 0 spirit energy and awareness to fill the void. Hence their only option is to steal it from others endlessly, with no capacity to ever be satisfied. What is worse? an insatiable vacuous greedy human or an AI robot programmed to survive at all costs?
Thank you for your talk. you've put the narcissistic personality in a larger framework. This is indeed a narcissistic age where we cannot only focus on individuals that we have labelled as narcissists.
I am so impressed in the description, you didnt say The Name! I was gleefully playing "Whats My Line". You done good! Funny though. You have reached the Heights of restraint! It just wasn't necessary to mention it.
Thanks for such important description of the Narcissistic Archetype. It’s becoming so common nowadays that at times it is confusing to identify them, especially when they make you doubt yourself. ❤
I very much enjoyed your take on the Narcissist which falls in line with what I have been noticing over the past few years as the increase of this "narcissist" label has become overused and too generalised. During my many years of facilitating QHHT Regressions where people connect with their Past Lives and (parallel and pre-birth experiences in the womb etc.) it is all about people reconnecting to their personal power and becoming aligned with the "present moment". Connecting with and creating a beautiful life now, which is what I believe the universe is pushing us all towards. The Gaslighting Narcissist that people bandy around so much in their conversations talks more of a Sociopath (in my opnion) - than a dysfunctional suffering narcissist from childhood. I think there are many levels of Narcissism and that most of us have had this within us and around us in some form or another. Becoming conscious and more self-aware of our thoughts and actions and behaviours is key. And so much more of course (in my opinion) because there is so much more to know and to learn that we can only just touch the surface of. The Universe (of which we are a part of) is orchestrating everything is as should be and for the greater good in the long run. I so agree that the Narcissist dilemma is all about bringing us to the eventual self-awareness of our wonderful power to love and be of love to others (rather than the shadow side of self-power and self-destruction). I am passionate about all this so I apologise if I have gone on too long here but I thank you for giving a much more open-hearted talk on this subject that has demonised and generalised suffering dysfunctional behaviours. 🕊😊
“My hair is a wreck” hahahahah I love you so much! And the way you just shrugged it off! Thank you for this download! It’s so helpful for me and my clients
Carolyn, Thank you so much for this series on archetypes. I've been pondering your observations on the narcissist over the last couple of weeks and was prompted to look at other TH-cam presenters on the subject. Boy, is it a big topic! Dozens of videos to watch. Most say STAY AWAY if you can. I think of all archetypes as having a positive side and a "shadow side". Yet the narcissist seems all shadow to me. I just re-listened to your talk and concentrated on what you say at the end. It showed me the way to understand the flip side of the narcissist. It's positive side shows up if you look at it as a necessary boundary setting self care step in the long journey towards consciousness. I don't think there is much we can do for the narcissist who is so entrenched in their behavior that it becomes an actual personality disorder. ALL shadow. And where/when does that tipping point occur? So I think your "wild thought" has deep merit. I would love for you to address your concept in greater depth. We need all the help we can get!
You learn to not ask questions. Choose your words wisely oh and watch that tone! My ex wasn't diagnosed But after I started dating him I started googling. Hadn't even really heard of narcissist before that. He definitely had the characteristics. Glad I'm put! But dang it was difficult.
Thanks Carolyn for bringing light to narcissism. It is a deeply complicated subject. The are some great books out there. The Narcissist in your life by Julie Hall is easy to read and understand. Dr. Rhoberta Shaler’s work is very thorough and accurate. Gabor Mate’s work videos and books.
All narcissism has it's roots in childhood trauma and a child's concept of self and self interest getting damaged. I really wish all content on this topic would start acknowledging that, instead of laying it out like these people are just born this way.
I used to think i was a narcissist. But thank you caroline for making it clear. I realised i am not. I am in control on my power but i also impower others. I feel i am more a rebel. The world is in a narcissistic state with social media. Everything revolves around the poster. Lovers of self. I want ZERO part of it And i love how people say they survived a narssicis but MAYBE YOU WERE THE NARCISSIS. you know who knows a narcissis ... a narcssissis
I had an experience very brief less then an instant but it took 4 years to get passed the initial shock of it and start to understand what God had revealed to me. There will be a time outside of this construct that we stand alone in front of our Lord and our soul will answer only for ourself to ourself and then for thy God have mercy.
Thank you Caroline. Although I like to consider myself an empathetic person, I also realised I could be narcissistic once in a while, especially when I get triggered. I am now on a journey to become more aware of this energy within me and also when others show me their narcissistic behaviour, I can be more firm and compassionate enough to take the right action to deal with such a person, that includes myself. 🌹🙏❣️
Thank you for redefining this topic. To be honest, everytime I listen to it, it makes me become uncomfortable even more. Dealing with these livelihoods. Maybe I am ready to hear it or seriously not attached no more. My level has gone up 😂❤. Thank you Caroline ❤️😘 😊
Thank you for your insights. I was 8 years in relationship with a Narcissist but did not even know what a Narcissist was! You have brought the answers I've needed to understand what happened to me. P.S. I was privileged to see you in conference with Norm Shealy many years ago. ❤
wow really insightful and concise. Thanks Caroline! This one surprised me in some ways. I thought I had a pretty good grasp of the narcissist but talk this gives some great nuances, even helpful elements to understand how to co-create, see our "specialness" with purpose instead of entitlement. Really nice!
Really enjoyed this particularly regarding the right of passage through the phase of narcissism- makes sense. I was wondering whether you might look at the persecutor - I realise that this is a reflection of my own shadow though still curious as to how to heal and look at this archetype. Thank you ❤
Thoughts on this: narcissists demonize the human. One step further than belittling the human (which I see in many spiritual spaces), they literally think being human - or acting human - is below them. They are above [and actually terrified/horrified of a truth that tells them they're below] others.
If you are taking requests, please do the 'monitor' such as in hall-monitor someone who may/or may not have some authority and holds others to account and please do the seductress. Thank you.
"Criticizing a narcissist is like putting a match to gasoline" -- boy is that the truth!
I believe that we are projecting who we are. Meaning, narcissist are the way they are because inside they feel extremely scarce. It’s like a person who is full, will not be desperate for more. Similarly, a hungry man is in dire need to consume. A narcissist is like someone who’s starving inside and instinctively need to be on the take. And a starving person has nothing to give either. To me, a person becomes a narcissist because at the core of it, there is an underlying belief that they are not enough. That’s the paradox. What is interesting is why this is so widespread in this age. I think it’s because externally we seem to have accomplished a lot but internally there is poverty or starvation. And narcissistic expressions is almost like the soul crying for help. Problem is one can never see themselves let alone help themselves unless they stop and look inward (reflection).
It’s like a person who is full, will not be desperate for more
I think we have a lot to learn about ourselves from narcissistic people.
YES!!!! It’s unbelievable. It’s devastating especially when it’s your children and husband and siblings, etc.
My recent observation of a narcissist losing it, almost seemed like a cry for help. The more I stayed present and observed the rant, the more they kept going. Quite something to witness. They are hurting and lost in their ego, disconnected from their heart.
Beautifully said ❤
“Total unwillingness to recognize other people feelings “ absolutely true
Is it unwillingness or the inability to do so? Watching this from the perspective of a person with narcissistic tendencies, I believe I have an understanding of the internal process of a true narcissist. I would sum it up as "you don't know what you don't know." The inability to emphasize with others and take their feelings into account is because they can't put themselves in other's people's shoes. Not won't. Narcissists are the most wounded among us. They shut down because reality was too painful. They can't feel love. Are you even alive if you can't feel love? It's torturous. That being said, I understand the abuse one suffers at the hands of a narcissist, and I am not defending the behavior or damage they cause. I just want to extend a small degree of understanding and empathy to narcissists because, nevertheless, they are still human.
I would love to hear other thoughts on this and am open to different perspectives. Thank you!
@@Sarah-sv6wg Interesting point of view, I understand that lack of feelings, you know, is not like we have to “feel “ love for everyone, but knowing by first hand how they think & behave, I’m sure they cause damage with the intention to hurt and they enjoy watching you suffer. I don’t know exactly how their brains function but they can convince everyone you are wrong, crazy, or simply change the reality like Hitler, have you ever think how in the world he was able to convince millions of “decent “ people that killing the Jews was the best idea to clean human DNA from de illness and genetic diseases. They are charming, they know how to use words, they are perfect on the outside. I m sorry, I definitely have no empathy for these #%*-
My husband’s mother was very strongly narcissistic - and I saw a pic @ her funeral of the little girl of 4 - her posture , her facial expression and her positioning of her hands communicated a deeply terrorized and frightened child . I then put the many stories together of her early life - that I had been told - many of them by her @ my invitation - and stories that came out at her funeral ( privately to me ) - yes - a tortuous way to live for a beautiful human child - and the denial that increases tension over the years as it MUST be maintained within the psyche - one believes / she believed in order to survive and to belong .
The tragic and Dark side of being born human. ❤
Un willing or un able
@@Sarah-sv6wg Thank you for this. Exactly - unwillingness or inability? the difference is crucial, in fact life-threatening for the narcissist. Yours is an expression rarely seen on the plethora of videos on narcissism. I cannot tell you how I appreciate it and your deeper understanding. I'm sorry to say it but even this from the honorable CM makes me sick. Pls see my comment above, and thank you again.
I was emotionally and psychologically abused by a covert narcissist. Rather than identify myself as their victim, I call myself their survivor. For me, the only way to heal was to get completely away from them, block them from any further access to my life, and start over. To this day, I carry with me the lessons she taught me. Nowadays I can spot a narc coming at me from 100 miles away.
It's like we have to be naive to fall for their illusions. But once out of the illusion, we see them so clearly. In my case, I discovered how it manifested in my family and I was surrounded by it, only to find out afterwards how my friendship was a reproduction of my family dynamic. Once you disassociate with each of them, the more power you feel, the better investments you make. Stay blessed. ❤
I heard something VERY helpful - people are not "victims" of Narcissists, they are (or were) targets, or targeted. Bravo to getting away....
To us who survived let's live a wonderful life now.
Be mindful of how you use language. You call yourself "their" survivor - that's possession, that is staying in the personal, keeping your caboose hitched to their power. You were winnowed and weathered and seasoned by a human who embodied a dimension of the Archetype of Narcissist. You have learned to identify a calibre of narcissist - you get to collect the whole set with time and terms such as victim/survivor/wound/heal become irrelevant. May the odds be ever in your flavour.
I got away but my kids are with him 😭@@brendadavidson7987
I was married to a man who had NPD, for 14 years. I did not know he was in the beginning. I have been through it all and to try and explain it to someone else is almost impossible. To understand it they would need to go through it.
I understand ❤
I too, understand, unfortunately 😢❤
Narcissists are blind to their flaws and project a lot as well as gaslight others. Lived with one. Queen complex !
All those who incarnate have 2-3 narcissistic traits that we use for our survival. Just because we show these traits doesn't mean they are a full on narcissist. It's helpful to remember that those who show an overwhelming number of these traits have the lowest form of self esteem. Yes it just to remove yourself from their need to control you but as I have learned sending love to these individuals (from afar) helps heal you. We contracted these individuals into our lives for soul growth and expansion. You can't change them but you certainly can change your self. I needed to be more loving to myself. I needed to realize my self-worth, and the individuals who I contracted to help me in this life did an absolutely amazing job and I thank them every day. 🙏 (of course in prayer)
That's beautiful, thank you.❤
Thank you 🥰 I hope my thoughts help those who suffer. When my parent transitioned into spirit they came to my sister and I and said," don't forget, you both agreed to this," which reminded us that we are not victims but participants in a plan that is difficult for most humans to comprehend. I'm just so grateful for Sacred Contracts 🙏. Caroline's book helped me let go and be thankful. I gift it to those who are struggling. Sending love ❤️
I like to describe the difference (between a True Narcissist and someone with traits of it) as those with traits, will "catch" themselves, become introspective to try and overcome it or at least are AWARE of it... but True Blue Narcs NEVER EVER and CANNOT do that.
And you are absolutely right about an experience with a Narc being soul growth producing. For sure.
Carolyne, as I was listening you, I slowly became inraged because it reminded me of someone that I trusted the most. He was the most spiritual person I knew, one of the most intelligent man . A poet and an artist and our friendship lasted 35 years. I never though of him being a narcissist but as you were describing the characteristics of a narcissist , I recognized him. I think the most dangerous ones, are the ones that are very spiritual. I never associated spirituality and narcissism together. It’s a dangerous combination . Thank you Carolyne for another fascinating archetype.
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I’ve heard this referred to as spiritual materialism. Even spirituality can become an extension of the ego and confirmation of one’s superiority over others. “I’m so enlightened, I’m so much more healed than everyone else, etc. “. I think it’s one of the most insidious presentations because it’s cloaked in “goodness”.
“It’s like getting them out of a cult”. 👏👏👏 Absolutely. I do know a man who definitely has narcissistic personality disorder and it causes immense suffering in his life. He is acutely *aware* that he has NPD, however has no commitment to changing it. I appreciate you said that narcissists need to feel superior/extraordinary in order to feel safe.
My ex didn't think he needed to change. He would only resist, and it's not worth my time and energy. It's not my job to rescue. I don't agree with decisions to violate marital vows, but I accept that ex did what HE wanted to do as a low vibrational being.
These people need an exorcism
I think the reason that self awareness has blossomed is because for centuries, there were the masters and the slaves , the ones in power, and the ones serving the power, and we have entered the age where resources and information are available to everyone if they acknowledge their self responsibility and develop their Skills and talents to no longer be a servant, so self awareness is important to get out from under the rock of master /slave mentality!
such an interesting concept. it would explain why marriage is becoming more and more obsolete. the original survival dynamic of marriage no longer serves us.
Thank you for your wonderful messages. I always get so much from them. One part that I’d like to offer an alternative perspective to is regarding the idea that narcissism is on the increase in current times. I’m in my 60’s and grew up with highly accomplished narcissistic family members. All of their damaging behavior was culturally acceptable in those days. Their sense of entitlement was expected both outside the family and within it. I’m not a psychologist but it seems to me that many cultural norms including sexism, racism, religious supremacy and supremacy-thinking in general are forms of narcissism. I wonder if it seems more prevalent today because we’re becoming more aware of what narcissism is and how cultural norms can mask it, even within a family.
That twist at the end was so insightful! We are all, in some way, facilitating the will of the universe. Love it!
"They feel that they deserve special treatment because of who they are." That is every prominent family in every small town in the USA.
Dearest Caroline, I wish to thank you for your lovingkindness to put forth so much content free for people who do not have the financial resources to pay for the kind of help you are providing. I have purchased: your books, Gaia for access to your Sacred Power Series and Oracle cards, but it takes all those and more information such as your Power of Archetypes series, as we process more and go in to new, deeper terrain for understanding and greater healing. I am a beneficiary of your work in the world - it is working, as I am healing. I am beginning the TRANS-ACENSION now. Sacred Power was really pivotal for my breaking through and the Archetypes Series is carrying me across the threshold.
Great Thanks and Gratitude for all you are doing to prepare awakening people.
Sincerely, Brenda from Toronto, CANADA
The Sacred Power series, is one of the best on Gaia. 👍☝️❤️
Great content, regarding the, “example," archetype in narcissism. (I sound like a nitpicking narcissist now), but the one word that is missing as far as their withholding is, validation. They crave it but rarely give it, in fact, their contribution may be invalidation. If they knew Einstein, they would tell him, “Great job on that relativity thing, but you never got your personal life in order?” Which brings up an even larger point that, everyone is open to criticism, because no one is perfect. But, the narcissist has the internal need to point out the negative, the flaw, and control the victim through invalidation. The need to feed their ego by devaluing you, it just makes them feel good. Which makes me think it’s a dopamine thing, like a compulsion to self soothe, mixed with a lack of empathy. Validation, is weaponized, to control, devalue, and soothe.
There most certainly is & can be a spirit possession in a lot of cases...you cannot unsee what you witness!
Nailed it on the head 💛 I thought I was going crazy before I even knew this character existed. I was naive. My mum has a nack for sniffing a rat out. 😂 and she pointed things out over time. It saved my life and my sanity. Narcissists are geniuses on their own way. But they are impossible to live with it. Discussions end up confusing you and it would almost be easier to have your finger nails pulled out one by one. You must accept them as they are and let them go. They have worlds to conquer apparently….on their own.
I recommend reading “the human magnet syndrome” by psychotherapist Ross Rosenberg. In that book you’ll learn the history of the boom of narcissism, the different levels of narcissism (including the healthy narcissism she describes later in the video) and much more.
All the mothers out there co parenting with a narcissist
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I am one off them:( It is my experience that they use other people's emotions to serve them. To be able to manipulate. Really sick.
All the fathers out there co parenting with a narcissist 🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾
It’s a lifetime sentence! 🤦♀️
I've noticed a strong UNEVOLVED Scorpio/8th house component to narcissism and also dominant fixed sign influence in their charts. They are very fixed in their beliefs and use the energy of others, typical of the Scorpio character as they commonly use others' resources (energy).
I think of narcissism as a damaged sense of human connection - instead of valuing human connection, they feel a great deal of anxiety or repulsion when faced with the needs and feelings of those connected to them. Often narcissists did not get their actual needs met as children (for a whole variety of reasons) and came to see relationships as inherently unsafe. They learned to value relationships only for what they can get from them. If that is never corrected, then narcissism just gets stronger.
I agree. If wounds were on a scale, narcissists would be some of the most wounded people. Their ways are purely for survival. They learned they can only rely on themselves to survive and as they age, more behaviors develop to survive. There is a belief that relationships that are loving cause the most pain and often a pain that is unbearable. It feels as if they won't survive it. This is where the need for control begins. If they can be in control, they don't get to the point of risking the pain. There are extreme wounds early in life.
😂 I just love Carolyn. She is funny as well as a sacred human being.❤❤❤ Love you Carolyn..🤗🌟
Your hair always looks great and so does the rest of you. You also have a wonderful voice and a beautiful diction, both of which you use to say excellent things. Bless you.
The "I'm destined for something special " story, which has fed me up...They were told they "were special and destined for something extraordinary", without telling them that to achieve it, they had to do something about it. I'm also tired of walking on eggshells so that "people destined for something special" don't leave in outbreak. Nothing is free in life, that's it and that's that. Thank you Caroline for having this space ❤.
I'll just say hurt people hurt. I think they are hurting inside more then we could ever be. When we are in pain we grow from there, but they can't, they are just stuck with their pain of nonworthines. That brings compassion and forgivnes in me for those, even if they hurt me I can grow and they remain same, at least in this lifetime. God bless you all and know that you are worthy child of God❤
Enjoying these videos you’re sharing with us Caroline, is an understatement, giggle!
I had to sit and meditate after listening to this. The breakdown of this character is well articulated. Thank you.
Thank you so much for this excellent offering, Caroline 🙏
The ego, or 'Imposter Self', is a mental construct which can only fabricate a facsimile (therefore a distortion) of the Real in us. It's ironic we have to go through a phase of identifying with the Impostor Self, which is deficient in its core. We then try and compensate for the feeling of deficiency by Narcissistically trying to be mirrored as 'special' (using others for 'Narcissistic Supply)'. If we're fortunate, it will fall apart on us sooner rather than later, because it doesn't work this way. If we are not fortunate, we can get stuck there and end up holding other people hostage, viewed as sources of supply for us ('feeding off of people' I once heard a person say). It's truly tragic, and it may just be the real underlying pandemic of our time; the entitled 'gimme-gimme-take-take club'. Ironically, it seems that only when we finally hit bottom on this trick, in true humility, can we begin realizing our underlying true luminous nature, beyond any concept of or need for being special. The ego will never understand how this can be the real privilege of a lifetime. The great irony is that the impact of this realization ends up being profoundly humbling. Ask any addict with a long history of recovery. Amazing Grace this human life is, isn't it?!? Offered with best wishes for the Narcissist, and especially for the real one, in us all. Thanks again, Caroline.
Thank you for sharing this. The more I ponder on it the more I realize how my attachment to identifying with that false self had me believing that I was the constant critical voice and not realizing I was under the scrutiny of something I myself made up. Your explanation resonated with me profoundly.
Very well written and described Susan! This is pivotal: "The ego is a mental construct which can only fabricate a facsimile (therefore a distortion) of the Real in us." Soooo helpful written this way! Thank you!
It would be great if narcs were able to reflect and gain humility. In my rather extensive experience, they don't get to that point. Yes, everyday narcissism does follow this path, people with narc traits etc, people who are able to genuinely face their shadow and face their inner demons, those people can change. But the hardcore narcs I know, all past 50 now, haven't changed that much, theyve simply learned fake humility because they're running out of options
Thank you for this! I love the way you conceived of it.
🤣 how I love listening to you Caroline, especially when you do the ego smack down 🤣
You are absolutely describing someone I worked with for the longest time. We are all here for their purpose.
I've been waiting for the mother archetype, but have not requested it until right now. Please and thank you.
Quite unexpected conclusion ! Glad to hear it.
Oh brilliant. Having grown up with such a mother , and recognizing some -only some- of these aspects in myself, listening to the full arc of this video, is illuminating and also restful.
It's nice to see a video by someone who knows the definition of "Archetypes" before creating content about it!
I work with many who are healing from narcissistic relationships. Boundaries and self care are key 🔑 💗
Don't engage with them, grey rock em
Narcissists have been exposed, because we spiriually aware!
The aging narcissist would be an interesting case study. When what they have used their entire lives is unavailable?? Thank you for this.
Gotcha! My father was a tall handsome ladies man until he wasn’t. He’d actually cry that it WASN’T FAIR for people to get old. Boohoohoo.
They totally lose it !!!!!
Narcissistic collapse
Yep. My friend spends hours telling us how handsome he was, how fun his life was. He says now he is ready to put a bullet in his head,cuz he lost his whole life due to alcoholism
Another reason may be that historically our democracy is being threatened by a narcissist. So important for us to understand the power of the narcissist archetype.
The head Narc…has you fooled.
I can look at my ex husband narcissist with more compassion. Thank you 🙏🏻
It's now understood that there is a genetic component to this disorder, as well. Our family has generations of narcissists. My older sister and my son are narcissists. It's heartbreaking. They are destructive and leave chaos and injury in their wake. The sister is a malignant narcissist and her behaviors, her scheming, her brutalizing of others is nothing short of evil. All while one can see it all stems from such deep insecurity and anxiety. It must be terrible being in these people's minds.
Yes i have always thought there were genes involved
*NO!* Its not in the genes...! It's a generational curse with familiar demons.
Watch the movie Heriditary. Beware of the curses they might cast on you through that movie though.
But our lifestories have a spiritual plot. Our souls do not die!
Were you adopted?
Narcissism is a learned behaviour and why they have no empathy is because they were taught by example. To them it is normal . So normal in fact they believe all parents are like his/her parents behind closed doors.
I will add, even when they “apologize “ is about them! For example: they said, I made a mistake, they never said: I know I hurt you with my infidelity. It’s like...ups , I made a mistake
I know a narcissist very well. I believe he became that way bc he had violent, cruel narcissistic parents. He's not violent, but is really messed up. He's like a powder keg and bristles at even the smallest criticism. He was created by humiliation, shame, and hate. I see his narcissism and related delusions as a coping mechanism.
Well, when you have a narc psycho running from his crimes as a former President no wonder- thank you so much for these - love your take on the archetypal profiles!!! So amazing and interesting!!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much for this 🙏
The last 5 minutes were transformative for me in the acceptance of the other person's journey 🙏💖 I have been struggling with unconditional love in this area particularly, so thank you thank you thank you 😊
It seems like the challenge of true self awareness that is willing to peel through the layers of self importance is just off limits to the narcissist. It takes a dive into deep humility to realize our inherent
worth.
After going out with a narcissist, I couldn’t believe it. It was so bad but this particular one it was about the sax so I came up with the word Sexopath I don’t know if that’s a archetype but thank you for your wise insights.
Blown away by the ending of this video. Honestly, I was about to redirect my attention until the last ten minutes when you shifted to focus on the responsibility (and wonderful opportunities) each of us has to live out the meaning our life has been given --- not in the status way of meaning but rather the sense of meaning that lays latent in each of us. Great work.
I was friends with a male friend, I am female, for almost 30 years, and throughout that time I would periodically distance myself because of the gaslighting and the put downs disguised as jokes and stories where I was the object of the joke. Finally, 10 years ago I stopped contact with him but went back after a year. Then two years ago after my mother’s death and the death of a mutual friend, I just could not take it anymore after several instances of emotionally abusive behavior and gaslighting I cut off all contact and although I questioned myself for a year, I now realize I am better off without him in my life. I knew something was wrong, but I blamed myself until I learned more about narcissistic behavior.
Thank you, Carolyn, for your decades of work and contribution....and making significant chunks available for free on TH-cam. This message penetrated deeply. I believe I will be more able to not shut down into shocked and silent fear when interacting with the narcissists in my family of origin---as a result of the insight and perspective you shared. Blessings
We also hear a lot about. MY MENTAL HEALTH lately.
I really love how the well rounded the description of this is on all levels, the compassionate description of the wounded low self esteem human that underpins the narcissistic coping strategy, the implied gradations of how extreme or partial narcissism can appear depending on how many of the traits are manifest, and that there can be a higher purpose to aspects of the state - it is not simply evil - and the problem arises more from staying stuck in it and over identifying with and attaching to the state. I've recently been noticing narcissistic traits in myself and in those around me and have been horrified. But I'm seeing that the manifestation of some narcissistic traits does not make this necessarily someone's identity and it can be grown out of. There is a compassionate and growthful way forwards.
Sucession is THE BEST series about a narcissistic family... I loved it
Wow. That was a beautiful transition. Yes, we are all sacred and indispensable to the whole, and had we not been, we would not be incarnated here NOW.
Namaste.
as an empath before trully purging my shadowself was in relationship with this type of archtype, I am grateful I am walk away. Self love and self respect really win anytime.
Re: 11:38 - Needs a little more salt. Were you at my Thanksgiving table? Because this actually happened. I spent a week shopping, baking and cooking a feast and all my husband could say was that the turkey needed more salt. Like it would kill him to say thank you for the meal. On Thanksgiving, ironically.
What you get to the end is inspiring and motivating. I LOVE the twist, the pivot. Thank you ❤️
Hi Carolyn, I’m just starting your video. I’m thrilled that you’re doing a talk on narcissism. I have 3 narcissists among my close relatives, two overt (dad & BIL) and one covert (sister). Man am I ever looking forward to hearing what you have to say. I’ve learned almost everything I know about narcissism here on TH-cam.
I’ve been a fan of your’s since my days in Colorado when I would take the backroads to my job in Boulder. Back then there were still horse farms along the way with a stellar view of the Front Range. Your cassette tape series from Sounds True on Energy Anatomy accompanied me on my long commute both coming and going. I listened to your chakra and archetype teachings again and again until I had them memorized.
Later I was grateful that you weighed in on the topic of democracy and that you shared with us that your dad was a Marine. Semper Fi!
Very good. Spot on! Thank you for your work, Caroline.
8:20 We have been saying for a long minute now, the two types of people are those who are talking about it and those who are too busy doing it to be talking about doing it. 🙂
The hyper-awareness is so apparent. There’s so much anger, anxiety, sense of entitlement and grandiosity everywhere now. My narcissistic mother had narcissism down to a T and of course she didn’t like me because I had her sussed from early age. Society has become very narcissistic but narcissistic aware too. Thank you Caroline. Loved your example of people announcing that they’re made for great things!
A Narc. once said to me “ why do your parents love you so much, you have never done anything special “ Being a good human, daughter, mother, business owner, companion…. just wasn’t that special to the narcissist..
So sorry for you / anyone to hear this, or discount "being a good human, daughter, mother, business owner, companion....."
because they don't relate to and experience the true, raw, natural mammalian bond and instinct to connect, nurture and protect.
they have no capability to understand another person's feelings..only their own cold superficial perspective.
so of course, this one was actually in a cold lizard like way, expressing that they can relate to warm blooded bonding mammals
Hi thank you for this exploration despite your hair😍. I have given thought to the word narcissism since I first heard of it on TH-cam and noticec that I was raised by someone with those tendencies. Not totally narcissistic, they definitely had other very strong and good human qualities but the narcissism is like a bitter sauce over a decent meal. I have also noticed it in many people I have encountered over the course of my life. I. even see some of the narcissist quality in myself sometimes. It's terrifying and very difficult to acknowledge. My sense after years of alchemy classes, is that the modern epidemic of narcissism is coming from a kind of vacuity created by our modern culture and predatory capitalism. Our economic policies have been "sucking" the spirit out of humanity's basic resources- clean air, clean water, nutrient containing food, adequate shelter. Early on in my life it. seemed like it only in those far away"third world" countries like the sweatshops, and dow chemicals in Bhopal and chevron in central and South America.. Now it's just everywhere all the time. . Just as the atom bomb created a vacuum, a fireball then a crater of desolation, somehow that happened to our connection to our natural support system. Some souls still have power enough to bridge the desolate chasm to give and receive life resources. Others are driven by the vacuum , running from it and have 0 spirit energy and awareness to fill the void. Hence their only option is to steal it from others endlessly, with no capacity to ever be satisfied. What is worse? an insatiable vacuous greedy human or an AI robot programmed to survive at all costs?
Goose bumps...so coherent approach.Thk you.Blessings❤🌹🌹🌹
This is one of the best ones on archetypes so far. I was waiting for the the unshadowed side. What a marvelous perspective. Thank you.
My experience is that things that happen to you are trivial…however, if they have a cold ‘I almost died’ or any disruption ‘it was a nightmare’.
Thank you for your talk. you've put the narcissistic personality in a larger framework. This is indeed a narcissistic age where we cannot only focus on individuals that we have labelled as narcissists.
I LOVE YOU CAROLINE MYSS!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR THE SPIRITUAL TOOLS YOU SHARE!
I am so impressed in the description, you didnt say The Name! I was gleefully playing "Whats My Line". You done good!
Funny though.
You have reached the Heights of restraint! It just wasn't necessary to mention it.
Thanks for such important description of the Narcissistic Archetype. It’s becoming so common nowadays that at times it is confusing to identify them, especially when they make you doubt yourself. ❤
Seems like a huge piece of the Collective Shadow
I very much enjoyed your take on the Narcissist which falls in line with what I have been noticing over the past few years as the increase of this "narcissist" label has become overused and too generalised. During my many years of facilitating QHHT Regressions where people connect with their Past Lives and (parallel and pre-birth experiences in the womb etc.) it is all about people reconnecting to their personal power and becoming aligned with the "present moment". Connecting with and creating a beautiful life now, which is what I believe the universe is pushing us all towards. The Gaslighting Narcissist that people bandy around so much in their conversations talks more of a Sociopath (in my opnion) - than a dysfunctional suffering narcissist from childhood. I think there are many levels of Narcissism and that most of us have had this within us and around us in some form or another. Becoming conscious and more self-aware of our thoughts and actions and behaviours is key. And so much more of course (in my opinion) because there is so much more to know and to learn that we can only just touch the surface of. The Universe (of which we are a part of) is orchestrating everything is as should be and for the greater good in the long run. I so agree that the Narcissist dilemma is all about bringing us to the eventual self-awareness of our wonderful power to love and be of love to others (rather than the shadow side of self-power and self-destruction). I am passionate about all this so I apologise if I have gone on too long here but I thank you for giving a much more open-hearted talk on this subject that has demonised and generalised suffering dysfunctional behaviours. 🕊😊
“My hair is a wreck” hahahahah I love you so much! And the way you just shrugged it off!
Thank you for this download! It’s so helpful for me and my clients
Carolyn, Thank you so much for this series on archetypes. I've been pondering your observations on the narcissist over the last couple of weeks and was prompted to look at other TH-cam presenters on the subject. Boy, is it a big topic! Dozens of videos to watch. Most say STAY AWAY if you can. I think of all archetypes as having a positive side and a "shadow side". Yet the narcissist seems all shadow to me. I just re-listened to your talk and concentrated on what you say at the end. It showed me the way to understand the flip side of the narcissist. It's positive side shows up if you look at it as a necessary boundary setting self care step in the long journey towards consciousness. I don't think there is much we can do for the narcissist who is so entrenched in their behavior that it becomes an actual personality disorder. ALL shadow. And where/when does that tipping point occur? So I think your "wild thought" has deep merit. I would love for you to address your concept in greater depth. We need all the help we can get!
Only condemning people with narcistic wounds. Know thyself first C. Myss.
I've been waiting from this one.
You learn to not ask questions. Choose your words wisely oh and watch that tone! My ex wasn't diagnosed But after I started dating him I started googling. Hadn't even really heard of narcissist before that. He definitely had the characteristics. Glad I'm put! But dang it was difficult.
No response to them is the best way to disimpower them.
I cannot thank you enough for this wonderfully informative video 🙏🏻❤️🤗
Thank you again Caroline, for another excellent explanation...
will you profile the crone
Thanks Carolyn for bringing light to narcissism. It is a deeply complicated subject. The are some great books out there. The Narcissist in your life by Julie Hall is easy to read and understand. Dr. Rhoberta Shaler’s work is very thorough and accurate. Gabor Mate’s work videos and books.
All narcissism has it's roots in childhood trauma and a child's concept of self and self interest getting damaged. I really wish all content on this topic would start acknowledging that, instead of laying it out like these people are just born this way.
I used to think i was a narcissist. But thank you caroline for making it clear. I realised i am not. I am in control on my power but i also impower others. I feel i am more a rebel.
The world is in a narcissistic state with social media. Everything revolves around the poster. Lovers of self.
I want ZERO part of it
And i love how people say they survived a narssicis but MAYBE YOU WERE THE NARCISSIS. you know who knows a narcissis ... a narcssissis
The last paragraph seems quite narcissistic.
They really are unbelievable truly. Astounding honest to God 😮
I had an experience very brief less then an instant but it took 4 years to get passed the initial shock of it and start to understand what God had revealed to me. There will be a time outside of this construct that we stand alone in front of our Lord and our soul will answer only for ourself to ourself and then for thy God have mercy.
Thank you Caroline. Although I like to consider myself an empathetic person, I also realised I could be narcissistic once in a while, especially when I get triggered. I am now on a journey to become more aware of this energy within me and also when others show me their narcissistic behaviour, I can be more firm and compassionate enough to take the right action to deal with such a person, that includes myself. 🌹🙏❣️
such a great description, love this series. Patty
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge ❤
Thank you, thank you Caroline, for this entire series! Will you please consider covering the WISE WOMAN archetype - or similar archetype? Thanks.
Thank you for redefining this topic. To be honest, everytime I listen to it, it makes me become uncomfortable even more. Dealing with these livelihoods.
Maybe I am ready to hear it or seriously not attached no more. My level has gone up 😂❤.
Thank you Caroline ❤️😘 😊
Thank you for your insights. I was 8 years in relationship with a Narcissist but did not even know what a Narcissist was! You have brought the answers I've needed to understand what happened to me. P.S. I was privileged to see you in conference with Norm Shealy many years ago. ❤
wow really insightful and concise. Thanks Caroline! This one surprised me in some ways. I thought I had a pretty good grasp of the narcissist but talk this gives some great nuances, even helpful elements to understand how to co-create, see our "specialness" with purpose instead of entitlement. Really nice!
Second watch, for is so important & hard to deal with so many narcissistic people…
I love the conclusion. Totally and utterly relate
Love your perspective on this archetype, Caroline.
Spot on - Thank you Caroline
It's so spot on Caroline, thanks. Much love to you. ❤❤❤❤
Really enjoyed this particularly regarding the right of passage through the phase of narcissism- makes sense.
I was wondering whether you might look at the persecutor - I realise that this is a reflection of my own shadow though still curious as to how to heal and look at this archetype.
Thank you ❤
Thoughts on this: narcissists demonize the human. One step further than belittling the human (which I see in many spiritual spaces), they literally think being human - or acting human - is below them. They are above [and actually terrified/horrified of a truth that tells them they're below] others.
Thank you so much. The ending was truly inspiring and comforting.
If you are taking requests, please do the 'monitor' such as in hall-monitor someone who may/or may not have some authority and holds others to account and please do the seductress. Thank you.