Why Oda Is The Strongest Clan: Total War Shogun 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2024
- Why Is the Oda Clan the strongest in total war shogun 2? Well as the Oda I capture Kyoto and End the Ashikaga Shogunate in just 13 turns or 3 years from the game start date on Legendary Difficulty. The super peasant Oda Ashigaru with long pointy sticks can beat even the greatest samurai by taking the prized city of Kyoto.
This video is my 5k subscriber special and is dedicated to my sweet puppy who passed away recently. Thank you all for the support~
0:00-1:43 Opening Moves
1:43-13:16 Defeating the Tokugawa and Imagawa
13:16-20:31 March Towards Kyoto
20:33-38:15 The Siege of Kyoto
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Oda be like: unite Japan speedrun any%
Unite Japan before Nobunaga becomes Daimyo means he doesn’t die at Honnō-ji~
Oda unite japan but all japan is united against him
@@picogagula448 Betas all want to bring down the Sigma, they will fail.
Hattori can capture kyoto on turn 0 xd
Meanwhile Otomo: PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION
Otomo and Shimazu be like: PARRY THIS YOU FILTHY CASUAL!, *heavy gunners and tercos gunfire sounds*
Another shogun 2 magic trick: Around 8:20 you exempted Mikawa from tax to help with unrest, but the thing is, in that turn Mikawa was unhappy even without tax. So, exemption basically does nothing. So what you can do for that turn is set tax to very high and you actually don't lose anything if you manage to bring public order to yellow or green in the next turn. TLDR: If a province is unhappy either way, you might as well just set taxes to very high (although in this specific example that would affect Owari as well).
Right, good point! I did that with Omi should’ve done it with all tbh! Thanks for mentioning this~
But this reduces the town growth very criticially about ten time that province will lose at least 200 wealth points. I like this when starting playing this game very much but not soon later :)).
@@tankiemphituyet5969 yes correct which is why for this run I did it but if it was a longer campaign I wouldn’t really continue to do so~
"Pesants, you are unhappy with the taxes? YOU HAVEN'T SEEN REAL TAXES YET MUHAHAR!"
I certainly wasn't expecting it in a Shogun 2 video, but this happens to be the anniversary of saying goodbye to my dog and it meant a lot to hear you share about your friend. It sounds like he had a very good home.
The dedication at the end was very sincere - really warmed my heart!
Thank you and also glad you watched till then I greatly appreciate that and the comment as well~
sorry for your loss. love the shogun 2 videos.
Thank you~
The trick about erasing large armies is useful on any difficulty but certainly more appreciated on legendary. I played the Morning Sun 3 mod as Korea where I had to deal with 5 stack Manchurian army with a single stack of Korean troops and the method used the same, while they lay siege to my city, I took theirs and erased the entire Manchurian army. Such a good method for dealing with OPMs.
Ikr and whew 5 stacks gone in the blink of an eye! Impressive :D
Wow if only Ming and Korea IRL knew this trick, bye bye Qing empire.
It's always fun to wipe out an entire army stack and their Daimyo all cramped into one little bow kobaya as well. Although I have to admit, I lost my campaign to a landing army, and had to savescum it to kill them off. Still satisfying though xd
@@alliedatheistalliance6776 Pulled that off on FoTS a lot.
6:31 I just learned/worked this out this yesterday 😂. I did it with a secret policeman.
May doggo chase fleeing units up on high
Your happiness from this game is so great. Thank you for this amazing video.
Thank you :) this was a very special video so I’m glad you enjoyed it~
absolutely wonderful. sorry to hear about your dog.
Thank you and glad you enjoyed the video~
Man it’s so fun watching you play this I love shogun 2 so much !
Thanks for the class, I'm still facing some management problems but this video clarified a lot of things.
You're the best. I can never play like you but i enjoy watching you play
Thank you but with practice and time you will learn more about the game and achieve the goals you set out for yourself which is more important!
yooo wth its financial faiz
very useful vid, hope you can do more about shogun 2 ❤
Cheers to you for almost reaching 10k subs. Your dog was the best boy in this side of youtube.
The wolrd sometimes is a really weird place,
I just lost my dog too who (and I hate to say this) was my closest family member and friend. Right after I stumble on this video and clicked it cause of nostalgia.
My prayers go out to you even tho its "already" 11 months. May they play with joy in doggo heaven!
Great video. You got a new sub from me. I'm sorry to hear about your dog bro. RIP.
Thank you I appreciate that and he was a great companion and a dear family member like a brother so it means a lot you saying that~
You should have attacked the outside force at kyoto, this forces the garrisson to join the open battle for easy disposal. Then go for the depleted citadel.
Hehe I know but for the video I had to take Kyoto itself ya know plus it was easier since the defending force remained inside the castle so I could fight each army separately more easily as opposed to on the battlefield they would just group up before I could defeat them in detail
Love you and your dog 💪💪💪
Thank you :D appreciate the view~ yes may he rest in peace he was a great companion.
Excellent game play. Although I am not as sophisticated as you, still want to mention that you can detach your generals into multiple troops to maximize the exp.
made me laugh 9:57 how I wish CA could make a game like this again
nice video, love shogun 2 and sorry about your dog dude.
Thank you~
"Oda is the strongest clan"
Campaign turn 2: *"Great Clan Falls: Oda clan"*
24:16 Reminded me of that clip in American Gods ep 1 when a guy got pincushioned by arrows.
I lost my dog too last year. He's still my phone background. Oda Nobonuga smiles upon you, friend
So sorry for your loss, thank you and mine as well is my phone background :)
I'm glad you're still making videos on this game, I got it recently and have almost 100 hours logged but I feel like I've gotten nowhere. Thanks for the vids, though I think the main problem is just me unfortunately.
Glad you enjoy the videos and I'll be sure to make more guides tell me what you're struggling with and how I can help~
@@TripleZHacker One of my major current problems is usually when I try to keep a cost efficient, small but effective force out of nowhere I'll come up against stacks that have x2 the exp than my own men and sometimes almost double my men. Another is just how big of a fleet should I keep for trade nodes? I either go too hard in the proverbial paint and hemorrhage money, or I get pushed off far easier than I would like.
@@GloriousShiva42 Ah for sure what difficulty do you play on? As for trade fleets you want to have 10 trade ships on the node itself and then a battle fleet defending the trade ships. As for cost efficient armies ashigaru are great early on and then you want to slowly fill your ranks with samurai/monks. Light cav can be really cost efficient early on but it does depend on the clan to some degree too. If you struggle with income the best thing to do is focus on purely economic buildings in your provinces at the beginning (Farms/Markets/Sake Den/Specialized Province Resource Buildings). Make sure to focus on the Way of Chi arts too as there are some nice economic bonuses (Todofuken is great to have early on).
@@TripleZHacker How many combat ships and of what size bune? And as for difficulty I play on a mix of Easy and Normal, not ashamed of it either Shogun II being my first Total War game. I don't even wanna think about getting into Rise of the Samurai and Fall of the Samurai. Also thank you so much for these quick responses! I know it was by happenstance but I just got merked in my last playthrough and was watching a show to blow off steam, and with these responses I already feel pretty confident. Also yes, Todofuken is beloved, I try to make it a split between sprinting for Todofuken and whatever Clans mastery (Like the Chosokabe's Bow Mastery)
@@GloriousShiva42 yeah any difficulty is fine whichever you want to play, the more you learn you can change it over time. Um ideally you want a mix of ships and then eventually just the European ships you get whenever you build a nanban trade post~ I typically don’t fight many Naval battles in the game but a combination of ships usually gets the job done with numbers in most cases!
Being able to rely so heavily on the Ashigaru just gives you so much flexbility, you can rebuild an effective army so quickly and cheaply without having to develop expensive building chains, or sacrifice slots in your city either.
i played Oda some time ago, and somehow i made a same tactics as Macedonian phalanx tactic with long yari ashigaru, bow monks, and yari cav combination
im so sorry about your dog he is in heaven now and that was very smart move i always play in legendary and end up getting recked from all fronts :D
Yay you're back! Welcome
Btw, in campaigns I see my friend not have the 2nd general in the army but actually follow them seperately. The main general leads the other units and the 2nd general follow closely enough that any battles fought will have the 2nd guy join as reinforcement. He says this give extra exp to the 2nd general. Is this true?
I think so since the general gains XP for victories typically I have the Daimyo win the opening series of battles so that they don’t have any disloyal generals from the other generals attaining military glory but it’s a valid strategy for sure~
For a victory except heroic its 10 xp points for the main general, plus 3 points for main general in reinforcement army, and 1 xp point per extra general in your army.mcheck out the viking general channel for more info on the game, sorry for the publicity
@@enriqueolmeda8157 yes that’s correct, and no worries Viking General makes very informative videos on the game that are useful to reference~
After capturing that first town you got warhorses the most expensive trade item in the game any time you ask for trade after getting warhorses demand at least 3 grand before trading
True great point~
So, i don't think i heard you talking about it, but opinion on the Portugal Faction mod? It's not super polished, but it does some very interesting things and if you can go over the hard start, it's a blast to play with such an unique roster of super elites! Your take on them?
Oh I think it’s a great mod, I will definitely cover it on the channel at some point! I love the concept of European intervention in the Sengoku Jidai, wish there was a Dutch faction mod so there would be the competing religions of Catholic and Protestant too.
When Im doing it in my campaign 2 full stack army vs my 1 stack army. Its hard to micro management. But im learning thanks for the vid.
I usually only play Hard due to not liking how the AI gets compensated and your morale seems to take a hit.
That being said, I usually do Oda Short Campaign where I take Kyoto and 25 Provinces, but always go past the "victory scene" to subjugate all of Japan.
Figure it would be fun to do this in Legendary due to the AI's being able to quickly recover their forces for more battles.
the ai gets compensated because it can't match a human's skill, they need these buffs to be competitive at all so just learn the game bro, do VH at the bare minimum or the game is just pathetic easy
@@HenriqueRJchiki I have done VH before and finished it, man.
Granted, I have been tempted to do it again, but with Legendary too. However, I found that sometimes the AI can get "too aggressive" in a way that's to their detriment in the past i.e. enemy officer charging your lines with little support. Or is it just me?
Funny, I chose this for my first playthrough.
May your dog rest in peace ✌️
Short answer
Hehehehe peasant spears.
Also- pike and shot.
Also also, that one movie scene of greeks.
May your doggo rest in peace♥️
I love your style, and I have NO IDEA why I would always just fight the Tokugawa instead of erasing them lmao wow
Thank you glad you enjoyed the video and yeah it’s much more fun watching them evaporate :D
@@TripleZHacker other than the Oda, who is your favorite clan to use? I think the Shimazu are s-tiered with the Oda. Those katana samurai are the chefs kiss lol
@@WrathOfTheShaft Hm I made my tierlist video of all the clans I think my logic is sound still but perhaps I'll make an updated version sometime~
@@TripleZHacker I'll search through your channel later on today, just discovered you today so I'll be sure to check you out.
@@WrathOfTheShaft oh yay for sure glad you enjoyed the video and found me!
Akechi Mitsuhide "Hello there"
wow so quick
dang i instinctively, push wasd button and the Q and E button
Ive never played a Oda campaign before but for sure they are almost always big when the AI plays them
Yeah AI Oda usually does well and give it a try if you want they’re very powerful
I'm sorry for your loss, there is no way to take losing your 4-legged child easily.
Thank you and yes indeed
4-legged child? Cringe
Yes, they're not children at all. But they are very dear friends and they're always innocent.@@Montaggg33
Ever thought about doing a moded run, i got a list for you, shogun 2 on roid rage mode, i hope the audience loves doublestack battles
Oh yeah send the list would be curious what it includes~
That's some good accuracy for your bow units on legendary... I usually only get that kind of accuracy from Bow warrior monks with accuracy upgrades. Weird.
Much love to doggy
I wonder if someones general was the only unit to die in a battle... that would suck
SHogun 2 ODA is overpowered, especially with the unit pack.
Weirdly everyone wants to trade with Oda and will pay for that privilege too.
You occupy a starting zone with essentially 3 corridors of access. Allowing you to lock things down fairly easily.
There are 2 weaponsmith provinces nearby. (3 if you count that one on what i call the shogun mile (long section leading to kyushu)
There are 4 libaries you can reach before realm divide.
Temple mounts, and Ninja schools too.
So you can cap libraries and race to lnd consolidation, build heap of farm, and exponentialy grow income off of surplus food.
You can also produce legions of gold tier weapon long spear yari ashigaru, coupled with general infantry leader level 3 plus stand and fight and encampment weapos upgrade, your long spear ashigaru will literally tear through EVERYTHING.
You can put them in spear wall, and they will kill literally 30-40% of a charging samurai unit within seconds.
WHat's more, if you want to go overkill, you can put long spear in a double spear wall, with normal yari ash or other long spear yari ash.
On top of all of this, oda ashigaru get other bonuses too.
On top of all of this, ODa nobuhide and Oda Nobunaga get HUGE personal trait bonuses the more battles they are in, that give your troops more morale, and instill fear (lower morale) in enemy.
Whilst it is harder to turtle with Oda, compared ot Date and Shiamzu, the Oda campaign has the best bonuses. Once you get gold tier long spear, odds are you have won the legendary campaign. May take another 60 turns, but yo have likel already won.
Based on my customized battles with the AI, Oda long yari units in wall formation are nearly unstoppable on both attack and defense.
Only problem is you need Yari Drill Yard and Encampment to recruit long yari, can't recruit long yari on turn 1 which stinks.
Yeah but you get them quickly enough that it’s nice if you stack some research bonuses it’s usually not too long
my favourite tactic is to line up in yari wall and use the bottom left buttons to make them advance in a straight line
@tennantparry3916 And Total War let's you squish 2 or more units together in wall formation. You can get an insanely high spear density on your front line - each enemy soldier has to face 3 or 4 spears and doesn't last long in close combat.
@@RobertWF42 normally i use that but im finding that the units slowly seperate as they march forward
@@RobertWF42 Yeah when the AI accidently stacks two yari wall together and then starts destorying everything in it's path its pretty insane as you see your Katanas melt before the peasant tide.
in my first playthrough oda nobunaga betrayed me joined the takeda and i had to kill him lmao
When you take kyoto, before realm deivide all clans eage war on you creat vassals as youll get forever loyal subjects when cresting vassals make sure thry are far from majour conmection points
You say that the Oda are the strongest clan, yet only one clan can capture Kyoto as early as turn 1.
This was written by a Hattori supremacist.
That’s true and fair to say lol
I’ll pray for your dog 🙏
CHOKOSABE FOR THE WIIIIIIIN
Hi. What resolution is this? I struggle with small text on 1440p 24". 1080p looks so shit - and the text is still barely readable. And yes i have large fonts pack mod, not helping. UI scale of your resolution tells me it gotta be 1080 or smaller...
Ah it’s 1080, so it’s less scale sorry, I should use the large font pack mod more often, but this was when the new mod manager was just released so I didn’t have any mods active so sorry about the UI difficulties…
U can legit do meatgrind whit the ashigarus until last drop of blood their cheaper better trained and everything
is the music at the end from the soundtrack?
Yes
TASTE MY HOLY GUNPOWDER!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello, do you know what I can do about always getting attacked by multiple Clans at the same time, its not not normal anymore. 5 clans are atacking me on every sides I have. I lost alr 70%
What difficulty are you playing on? Which clan are you playing as also? Sometimes clans will just declare war randomly on harder difficulties, you have to defeat them one at a time, also sometimes if you wipe out their army you can get peace with them.
I play on normal and as Oda😊
Ah okay, well it's tough to manage multiple enemies but its best to have a defensive force on a front and two armies to roam and assist. You want to focus on eliminating clans. Try to defeat the Imagawa and Satio, who you can vassalize, and then try to take out Kiso they have a good province to defend. Try to expand in directions that provide good defensive positions and have two armies support each other when possible. You are the oda so you can overwhelm the other clans with numbers, aside from Ikko @@justwatching5867
But it's honest work
Ashigaru pikes!
Well i just started playing this game and I wonder how do you have more than a 100 units with, for example your yari ashigaru. I tried to find answer for it on the internet but could not. Can somebody explain this to me? Is it related to difficulity?
Oda ashigaru have an upkeep and cost reduction so you can recruit a lot of them also I was constantly going to very high tax rate to get more income to afford such larger armies that quickly.
@@TripleZHacker That one I understand myself. But I never managed to recruit more than 100. Like when I recruit it does not produce more than 100 personnel at a time. So having 200 in a unit is a clan speciality?
@@sandorberenyi5015 oh that has to do with the unit scale/size I have it set to ultra
@@TripleZHacker Okay, that clears it up. Thank you very much
@@sandorberenyi5015 of course it was a misunderstanding on my part initially lol yeah unit scale fun to play around with for campaigns
Everyone playing Shogun 2: the Oda are the strongest clan.
Meanwhile one my first campaign they died on turn 7.
In the hand of a player
Rip Dogo 😢
The bakufu is not going to end, more like gonna be replaced by the oda bakufu xD
Oda be like: I'm writing One Piece
24:18 you guys ever watch American Gods?
Now do it with Ikko-Ikki =0
Right! Much closer to Kyoto, still only Hattori can pull that off as you don’t have to fight the other Ashikaga army outside of the settlement
i finaly finished the total war shougun 2 on normal diffculty with ODA clan and im happy ❤🎉 im pirating the game and dont have steam
Answer: Yari Ashigaru are completely overpowered and needed to be nerfed heavily
Because the AI has no idea how to play around Yari wall.
how can you have 200 yari ashigaru? mine's only have 160
Unit scale/size in the settings you’re on large and I was playing on ultra
@@TripleZHacker thanks
and (S2TW fans)ppl say shogun 2 have smartest ai in battle but i dont see any difference (for now), details are amazing but warscape is killing my experience in game along with unit variety.
Hey, my model amount is lower per unit how come ?
You have to in the settings change the unit size to ultra!
@@TripleZHacker gee, I didn't know that was a thing. Thanks a lot for the fast response
@@valentinocaceres6954 of course and welcome glad to help!
Ah yes Oda, the only clan where I can get 150k thousand men to conquer Japan withouth my economy breaking a sweat.
They just Buff the strongest unit in the game and have the chad version of it long ashigaru. No reason to get fancy samurai even late game cz ashingaru is still stronger because they benefit more from upgrades due to large unit size
Yeah a few samurai are nice but definitely can just Zerg around as the Oda
But this doesnt do anything? you have to hold it for a year...
Yeah but that’s not too difficult to do with the situation regardless you just keep a full army there and win defensive sieges if you get attacked
How are you supposed to make money in this game to allow yourself to build something more exciting than asjigaru? I played a short campaign yesterday in the Rise of Samurai dlc. Taxes is the only reliable income - since sacking a conquered city damages my daymjo honor - this creates civil unrest in the ALL cities and no level of oppression can keep it in check. Oppression methods like garnisons and fortification costs money and has upkeep. Also cool troops like samurai or warrior monks need advanced building tech tree that costs shit tonn of money + that city is usually in the heart of your empire, mening that even if you build some OP units it will take 5-6 turns to make it to the front to your general. 5-6 turns is too long. Oh, yes you can use ship transportation - just to risk to lose all army to constant harrasing fleet of the sea clan. So I had to rush Kyoto only with asjigaru stacks. I managed to hold of Kyoto and Yamato while keeping almost half of far east portion of Japan, and then came a general with a full stack of yari samurai and foot samurai. No tactical genius can beat that shit, I had to survive just 2 turns more while I were backstabbing my trusty ally to get the last goal city... I had no money all game cuz I can only peacefully occupy and I don't trust ratty vassals. Seeing enemy coming forth with 2 armies of pure samurai made me rage quit and delete game 😮😢😅 I also had trade agreements with 90% of Japan, and at all times had war only with 1 faction at a time. So trade + taxes was only good for 3 generals fill stacked with asjigaru. I gave birth eventually for 5 warrior archer monks, they never came in time cus they travelled all the game to the front line. Mad. Mad. 💢
There’s a few options: you can raise taxes to the max every other turn for income, also once you get 9 total honor with your daimyo you can loot freely as you only get a -3 reduction of honor from looting so you’d never lose the 6. Also focus on upgrading units slowly, you will likely use ashigaru throughout the game yeah, playing on lower difficulties it’s easier for sure
Keep in mind Rise of the Samurai plays very differently.
i recently lose my dad and i can understand that emotional breaking in your voice. I dont believe in any religion but I wish some day we meet again with our loved ones and be able to hug them and kiss them again.
I’m so sorry for your loss I feel the same way I’m sure we will all see them again :)
The answer: It's not
Legendary difficulty looks so unfun lol, just ashigaru spam.
Well for this video specifically and for the Oda that’s their play style. Also I focused on taking Kyoto very quickly but in most cases you slowly expand and then build up and then expand again cycle until realm divide.
@@TripleZHacker true, I guess I'm just not a fan of the hyper optimised way of playing total war.
@@blob22201 Well again I’m not necessarily showing that type of gameplay, but the Oda have the potential to do that-plus they do get an ashigaru bonus so you’re going to be using lots of Ashigaru as them! Also taking Kyoto so early is beneficial for some reasons but others not so much lol regardless I think the main thing to consider is how you wish to play and how you can enjoy the game, if you want to challenge yourself or focus on something for your campaigns that’s fine too~
Definitely not an oda propaganda...
Bro nice abuse of territory access…i beat the game in legendary without that.
So you play the game in a suboptimal way. How exactly does that make you a better gamer?
@@kubaGR8 its not suboptimal its harder and more realistic/fair. military access is and will always be a chessing thing. You get free money and provide sth the AI doesnt need or use except in very rare cases. So ofc that makes me a better play since i can beat the game without these tricks. Same goes for reloading failing agents, insane army split abuse etc. Without that the game is insanely hard so ppl better cheese than having to deal with that and think they are so good :D
@@julianlipsky2323 Are all chess grandmasters actually noobs at the game because they can't win without using the best openings all the time? Or moving the Queen piece? It's so strong after all!
Before baking soda was invented, cake was baked by vigorously mixing the batter for hours on end to force the air into it that way, and most still weren't nearly as good as the fluffy goodness we have today.
If I had cake from two bakers, one made with baking powder and the other the old fashioned way, then the baker using baking soda would rightfully be called the better baker, despite the fact that baking with baking soda is easier.
A CS:GO pro team that does not use AKs because they're "too good" would similarily just be worse than a team who does.
Refusing to do the things you might call "cheese" does not make you better at the game, if anything it makes you worse because you're not performing at 100%
@@kubaGR8 so if i don’t use cheat codes i not use the full potential? I think you don’t get it and i don’t get your logic. You compare things that are not matching. Chess is always a fair game, AKs are a normal weapon in a multiplayer game. I talk about a single game where you can get yourself „lame“ advantages. They are just bugs like in every other game. In Speedruns they use them to finish a game faster. But if you want a real challenge you should play it on a mostly fair level. I trick the AI too here and there or reload a battle or agent activity if i think it was too unlucky (like two 80% fail) or i could do much better since i often take the „lazy“ fight first without thinking about an insane outplay tactic. But it’s never a complete abuse. You guys can play the game as you want to but i will not hesitate to criticize it or feel it’s totally boring because most of this cheese is. Not worth watching. It’s not hard to do and doesn’t require skill. Everyone can beat legendary like that.
@@julianlipsky2323 By definition yes. Work smarter not harder.
I'm not talking about a "real challenge", I'm talking about being good at the game.
Just because you work harder doesn't make your work any better. A dude with a shovel will do a whole lot of work to dig a ditch, but he's by all accounts worse at it than the dude who has an excavator.