We did the same thing, followed the markers, a number of years ago. We read an article in the Record Eagle about the trail. Great fun. Marker 15 was missing in the Manistee River and some others were knocked down and in disrepair. Some were hard to find or missing. After we did the trail a boy scout redid the markers, remaking the trail.
I love this kind of stuff. Michigan history fascinates me. I worked in Traverse City for 17 years and have passed by that marker every day and never knew what it was for. Thank you so much for this. I continue to absolutely love your videos.
You are nonpareil. You two are a great educational resource for anyone at all into non-textbook Michigan History. I hope you get as much pleasure making these vids as you give to your viewers, even those that don't take the time to like or comment as well as those that do. Joy, peace and love to you. Thanks for posting.
That trail runs along the edge of our farm and through a farm i rent near the Manistee river. My mom told me about these markers when i was a little fella, bout 45 years ago. Never made the trip you folks did, but i enjoyed it very much!!! Thank you! By the way, the bridge you crossed the Manistee , its on the states top 10 most dangerous bridges!!! HARVEY BRIDGE its called.
Great video. I'm a Traverse City resident. I know boy scout who restored the markers. Restoring the markers was his Eagle Scout project. You can also see the PBS video about his project. I'm going to share your video with the scout.
👍 I've been swimming in the boardman river as a kid, on and off horseback. The horses liked it too, it was a hot day and a cold river. This was back in the previous millennium when winters had deep snow and -10F or lower days.
Thanks for the info. I'm laughing because I used to sleep in my truck right there next to the last marker when I was homeless, and never knew about any of this!
I’m a lifelong Traverse City resident, I’ve seen the Old Indian Trail markers on the sides of roads my entire life but only recently learned what they stood for. Very interesting, and great vid!
Always interesting! You help to further expand my enjoyment of Michigan history which started with my 4th grade teacher in 1961. Thanks for enriching my life!
I must have sped the distance between Cadillac and Traverse City a hundred times. For those who don’t know, it’s the last leg of a vacation or weekend run between “down-state” and TC heaven. So many times and yet I’ve never heard of these markers…maybe I need to slow down and ask more questions. Thanks Viking and Vikqueen!
I lived in michigan before moving to Charleston, my wife and I visit every year, we've seen these markers thought they were survey points. Thank you for this and all your postings we really enjoy them
Native Minnesotan here. Over the last few years, mostly due to reading books based in the UP by Steve Hamilton among others, I have had a growing interest in visiting Michigan. I think it's not all that different from Minnesota in a lot of ways and looks like would be fun to explore. Your videos are feeding this interest! Thanks for putting 'em out there. By the way, is Poppins a last name? Just a guess.
Thanks for stopping by! Poppins was a name given to "Martha" as a radio call sign for an Expedition Team that Chuck used to run (his was "Pathfinder"). Poppins is absolutely a favorite of children, she seems to always have a never ending handbag, makes everything a fun lesson, empowers kids, etc. etc. . . hence her nickname. BTW - Chuck was born in Duluth.
I have been a life- long Michigan resident,but did not know that about those markers ,maybe had seen them in my past when I traveled northern Michigan,but definitely gonna get up there hopefully to explore and find out the interesting things about this and the history behind them.thumbs up and thanks so much appreciated for the information on these markers. Peace and Blessings to you all 🙏 💯👍
New subscriber! Love all the content i cant wait to watch all of your videos. Michigan is such a special spirtual place that doesnt get the credit it deserves!! Thanks!!
Great video guys. Best one so far. Have you visited the Manitou Islands? Good content in the Glen Arbor/Empire area too. I used to own a small farm north of Honor where I sold my fruit/veg and art at the local farmers markets. My barber had a shop in Empire, he was all business in the summer months because of the tourists and cottagers, but off season his shop was a great place to learn the local history from a lot of local people who fished and farm the area. Back in April 2006 I went over to Empire to get my haircut and afterward I went out to walk the beach and I discovered a shipwreck. I never said anything about it, but someone called 9 & 10 News about it and they came out and did a story. In June, I went back for another haircut and when I walked out to where it had been, the lake had reclaimed it. From time to time it resurfaces and they believe they know who she was. Feel free to contact me, I would love to share some history about the area and I think you'd like to make a video from that area too.
Hello Brian, I (Da Viking) have visited the area often and Poppins has family in the area. I've actually kayaked to the Manitous back when the park service would panic at the thought, LOL. We are always poking around for "obscure" history and unique places. Thanks for watching and keep an eye out for us!
Great video! While you were traveling, did the facing orientation of the markers have any sort of consistency (eg, facing the marker points you towards the next one)? Or were they moreso facing people on the trail for visibility?
Very cool video! I have seen some of those markers up in that area and wondered what they were. Sounds like it would be a great day adventure to do! Plus there are some good backwwods camping spots up in that area!
Well. . . not quite. We made it to 26, then Poppins had a family thing in Leelanau. Ya know, drinks, hilarious uncles. . . spend an hour and a half the next day to finish them up. One could do it in a day.
Very interesting, lived in the Great State of Michigan all my life, they do not teach this stuff in school. New to your channel what is your background ?
I would have to expect that "Indian Camp" area would have been chosen for its exceptional qualities such as well drained soil in case of rain, freedom from pesky insects, access to good water and other stuff.
Archeological evidence at the site points to those activities. Site #3 did have a couple of digs back in the 30s and 50s I believe. Some of the history is provided by oral history passed down by the Three Fires people, though it is consider less reliable.
I left the Grand Traverse Band because it is not a tribe, It is a Chicago-based company. I have 7 Chiefs of that tribe that are my Ancestors. But I have been banned by the tribe. Because as they said those unmarked graves of my people in the past. No need to give them a proper burial. Do you want to do a tour of Michigan? Go to Garden Island. The United States' largest Native American Cemetery. Which is also the place where they buried the children from Holy Childhood Indian Boarding School. 3500 unmarked graves. You will also find graves on the 4 surrounding Islands.
I've been to the Garden Island Burial Ground a few times. A sacred place. I've heard upwards of 5,000 umarked graves (depends who I talk to). I've never intended to do a video of that ground, it doesn't seem respectful. Each visit, we've brought an offering.
Thank you for the respect of the land. I'm trying to find someone who wants to show the true story of what happened and still happens on the Island. How much do you know of North Fox Island from 1960 to 1977? I was one of the little boys sent to that island
The number 33 is represented quite often in occult religions.. It is said that Jesus passed away at the age of 33 so they like to claim that number. One third (33 1/3) of the angels rebelled against the Most High. The markers are shaped like obelisks which originate from Egypt / Babylon and are found all over the place in old cemeteries marking free mace graves. It may be an old ley line / geomancy trail.
We did the same thing, followed the markers, a number of years ago. We read an article in the Record Eagle about the trail.
Great fun. Marker 15 was missing in the Manistee River and some others were knocked down and in disrepair. Some were hard to find or missing. After we did the trail a boy scout redid the markers, remaking the trail.
I live in Cadillac Michigan I see them all the time I'm glad to see someone else appreciate them
I’m also from Cadillac ✋👈
Represent!
I have lived and worked in Northern Michigan for over 20 years and drive by these markers all the time. I now know what they are thanks to you two!
One suggestion is to look at postcard collection in empire, Mi and other local museums to see what information they have.
I love this kind of stuff. Michigan history fascinates me. I worked in Traverse City for 17 years and have passed by that marker every day and never knew what it was for. Thank you so much for this. I continue to absolutely love your videos.
Very cool local history !
You are nonpareil. You two are a great educational resource for anyone at all into non-textbook Michigan History. I hope you get as much pleasure making these vids as you give to your viewers, even those that don't take the time to like or comment as well as those that do. Joy, peace and love to you. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for the kind words. They are fun to make, but a little work.
That trail runs along the edge of our farm and through a farm i rent near the Manistee river. My mom told me about these markers when i was a little fella, bout 45 years ago. Never made the trip you folks did, but i enjoyed it very much!!! Thank you! By the way, the bridge you crossed the Manistee , its on the states top 10 most dangerous bridges!!! HARVEY BRIDGE its called.
Haha! I had no idea about Harvey Bridge. It is almost famous with the state putting it on a top 10 list and being dangerous. 😂😂😆
Great video. I'm a Traverse City resident. I know boy scout who restored the markers. Restoring the markers was his Eagle Scout project. You can also see the PBS video about his project. I'm going to share your video with the scout.
👍 I've been swimming in the boardman river as a kid, on and off horseback. The horses liked it too, it was a hot day and a cold river. This was back in the previous millennium when winters had deep snow and -10F or lower days.
Even on a cloudy day you two shine. Production value is rich. thank you for the hike through some history. #mybrotheriscoolerthanyours
We love all of your videos. We are on a mission to enjoy each and every one!
Well, we hope you enjoy!!
I have made that drive a few times and was unaware of this thanks for this👏👍
I have always loved my home state of Michigan, but thanks to you I'm really beginning to love its rich history! Thank you!!
Neat! Very informative! Ty!
Thanks for the info. I'm laughing because I used to sleep in my truck right there next to the last marker when I was homeless, and never knew about any of this!
Definitely off the beaten path with this one! Amazing they're all there and intact! 😎✌️
I love the history you provide of our great state. Having canoed the Manistee many years ago, I went right passed the markers without any notice.
I’m a lifelong Traverse City resident, I’ve seen the Old Indian Trail markers on the sides of roads my entire life but only recently learned what they stood for. Very interesting, and great vid!
Always interesting! You help to further expand my enjoyment of Michigan history which started with my 4th grade teacher in 1961. Thanks for enriching my life!
1961 I was just starting school at Immaculate Conception.
I must have sped the distance between Cadillac and Traverse City a hundred times. For those who don’t know, it’s the last leg of a vacation or weekend run between “down-state” and TC heaven. So many times and yet I’ve never heard of these markers…maybe I need to slow down and ask more questions. Thanks Viking and Vikqueen!
Well, I certainly learned something new today! Hello from Ann Arbor!
Hmmm 🤔 I learn something from both of you all the time! Thank you!
Evidently there is a lot to learn in our wonderful State!!!
I lived in michigan before moving to Charleston, my wife and I visit every year, we've seen these markers thought they were survey points. Thank you for this and all your postings we really enjoy them
Thanks for stopping by!
Wow. Another My Kind Of Adventure! Grew up in the area and came across the TC area ones and for years thought they were old railway markers.
#14 and #27 were replaced.
Educational and entertaining. Look forward to more Beaver Island vids. And thank you both so much!
How interesting, been by many of those markers in TC and Chums area, and never noticed them, now I will!
Very interesting and nice that the markers are so well preserved.
I’m from Cadillac ✋👈 and I’ve seen these markers. I just drove by that first one today!
Good video and interesting. Id like to see a video on rte US12 in southern MI. I heard it was an indian trail.
Just found your channel. Love it! Lived in Michigan for 68 yrs. So much history I knew nothing of. Learning a lot & thank you for your channel!!!
Thanks! and Welcome!
Being a Native of the area and doing my DNA. 16 was the meeting spot on their journey. But You don't need to know what the Natives were doing there.
Thanks for sharing and taking us on your adventures
Native Minnesotan here. Over the last few years, mostly due to reading books based in the UP by Steve Hamilton among others, I have had a growing interest in visiting Michigan. I think it's not all that different from Minnesota in a lot of ways and looks like would be fun to explore. Your videos are feeding this interest! Thanks for putting 'em out there.
By the way, is Poppins a last name? Just a guess.
Thanks for stopping by! Poppins was a name given to "Martha" as a radio call sign for an Expedition Team that Chuck used to run (his was "Pathfinder"). Poppins is absolutely a favorite of children, she seems to always have a never ending handbag, makes everything a fun lesson, empowers kids, etc. etc. . . hence her nickname. BTW - Chuck was born in Duluth.
Also from Minnesota. Love these videos and I agree I think Michigan is probably a lot like Minnesota. would like to visit the UP.
Yes very interesting, never knew about the markers. I'll look for them from now on.
Looking forward to watching this
Interesting. I have a cabin in Manton. This would make a fun adventure to try.
Interesting! Love your videos, guys!
I have been a life- long Michigan resident,but did not know that about those markers ,maybe had seen them in my past when I traveled northern Michigan,but definitely gonna get up there hopefully to explore and find out the interesting things about this and the history behind them.thumbs up and thanks so much appreciated for the information on these markers.
Peace and Blessings to you all 🙏 💯👍
New upload by RV?……Yes….I’m on it
New subscriber! Love all the content i cant wait to watch all of your videos. Michigan is such a special spirtual place that doesnt get the credit it deserves!! Thanks!!
Great video guys. Best one so far. Have you visited the Manitou Islands? Good content in the Glen Arbor/Empire area too. I used to own a small farm north of Honor where I sold my fruit/veg and art at the local farmers markets. My barber had a shop in Empire, he was all business in the summer months because of the tourists and cottagers, but off season his shop was a great place to learn the local history from a lot of local people who fished and farm the area. Back in April 2006 I went over to Empire to get my haircut and afterward I went out to walk the beach and I discovered a shipwreck. I never said anything about it, but someone called 9 & 10 News about it and they came out and did a story. In June, I went back for another haircut and when I walked out to where it had been, the lake had reclaimed it. From time to time it resurfaces and they believe they know who she was. Feel free to contact me, I would love to share some history about the area and I think you'd like to make a video from that area too.
Hello Brian, I (Da Viking) have visited the area often and Poppins has family in the area. I've actually kayaked to the Manitous back when the park service would panic at the thought, LOL. We are always poking around for "obscure" history and unique places. Thanks for watching and keep an eye out for us!
How fascinating, never heard about these markers. ❤
Very cool! Who knew?
This is very cool!!
Great video! While you were traveling, did the facing orientation of the markers have any sort of consistency (eg, facing the marker points you towards the next one)? Or were they moreso facing people on the trail for visibility?
Mostly for visibility from the road, river, intersection, etc.
u guys r great ... thank you
Always interesting
Very interesting video, thanks for posting.
This is so awesome. Thank you!
Very cool video! I have seen some of those markers up in that area and wondered what they were. Sounds like it would be a great day adventure to do! Plus there are some good backwwods camping spots up in that area!
Love the history, love your videos
Xcellent vids but I have to get to work!
🤣😂👍💯
i maintain marker #1
Thanks for your work on keeping the trail alive!
The markers have a unique look! Did you find them all in one day?
Well. . . not quite. We made it to 26, then Poppins had a family thing in Leelanau. Ya know, drinks, hilarious uncles. . . spend an hour and a half the next day to finish them up. One could do it in a day.
Are these stones the originals that Miles Petosky Crosby placed?
I think only a couple were replaced since he placed them. However, I really don't know. Also, he only placed 1-14, I believe.
Milo Crosby was the husband of my grandmother's sister. He was quite the character, I hear, though he died before I was born.
Very interesting, lived in the Great State of Michigan all my life, they do not teach this stuff in school. New to your channel what is your background ?
LOL. Our background has nothing to do with videos or news or entertainment. Our channel welcome video has our background I think. It's a long list.
10-4 good buddy breaker 1-9 out LOL@@RestlessViking
Cute truck
You're cute. . .
I would have to expect that "Indian Camp" area would have been chosen for its exceptional qualities such as well drained soil in case of rain, freedom from pesky insects, access to good water and other stuff.
very cool i need to hit this,where did you get your map? and thanks guys!
We made it. caltopo.com/m/R5TN0
No disrespect just curious you said the 3rd marker was 2023-1200= 823 (your timeline 12:52 ) the year 823, how would we know what was going on in 823?
Archeological evidence at the site points to those activities. Site #3 did have a couple of digs back in the 30s and 50s I believe. Some of the history is provided by oral history passed down by the Three Fires people, though it is consider less reliable.
Enjoyed this thoroughly! You guys find the coolest spots in Michigan!
What did Poppins pickup off of the beach at 12:13 ?
A rock. . . she loves collecting rocks. . .
@@RestlessViking I totally get it. We always come home with a bag or two of rocks from wherever we visit.
@@robjohnston5292 The floor behind Poppin’s seat is often FULL of rocks! 😅😂
I love this kind of stuff!
Is there a method to the distance between the markers?
There doesn't seem to be any method for the distance, rather they are placed where there was something of historical significance.
I left the Grand Traverse Band because it is not a tribe, It is a Chicago-based company. I have 7 Chiefs of that tribe that are my Ancestors. But I have been banned by the tribe. Because as they said those unmarked graves of my people in the past. No need to give them a proper burial.
Do you want to do a tour of Michigan? Go to Garden Island. The United States' largest Native American Cemetery. Which is also the place where they buried the children from Holy Childhood Indian Boarding School.
3500 unmarked graves.
You will also find graves on the 4 surrounding Islands.
I've been to the Garden Island Burial Ground a few times. A sacred place. I've heard upwards of 5,000 umarked graves (depends who I talk to). I've never intended to do a video of that ground, it doesn't seem respectful. Each visit, we've brought an offering.
Thank you for the respect of the land. I'm trying to find someone who wants to show the true story of what happened and still happens on the Island. How much do you know of North Fox Island from 1960 to 1977? I was one of the little boys sent to that island
@@brucelachniet8698 I don’t know much, just a sad thing.
How did your friends react when you told them you were going to marry Poppins?
I saw Marker 13 today ..... and now this video pops up ......... gotta love AI.......
How can one get a map of this
We just happen to have made one. . . Link to the map in the FB post.
facebook.com/photo?fbid=731779192284845&set=a.128419185954185
What’s up with coffee can at marker 14
It is a geocache.
It was old timers GPS
The number 33 is represented quite often in occult religions.. It is said that Jesus passed away at the age of 33 so they like to claim that number. One third (33 1/3) of the angels rebelled against the Most High. The markers are shaped like obelisks which originate from Egypt / Babylon and are found all over the place in old cemeteries marking free mace graves. It may be an old ley line / geomancy trail.