I know HD has been a fantastic support for the channel and i appreciate them, but i would also love to see you review and compare competing Indian models, Indian and HD competing is the best thing to happen to cruisers since rear suspensions were introduced
Is their really a competition. Harley has priced itself so far above everyone else why bother comparing them? The decision of most consumers will be made based on price anyway. And we all know who wins there.
@@adamnagel7436 I don't know about where you live but in Canada Indian Motorcycles prices are comparable and in some cases higher than Harley-Davidson.
I'm 76 and love being on two wheels, I have just down sized to a Moto Guzzi v7 850 and with 200 miles on it so far I'm happy with it, can't wait for the run in miles to be completed! Way more smiles per mile than a trike of any kind!!!!
I find the idea that a big, heavy machine, even like a road glide, would be anyone's last bike. Getting a lighter bike makes way more sense to me. The Meteor 350 is a success for a reason.
Thank you for highlighting how great Nightster is, and how Harley kneecaps it with pricing. Harley needs to throw the larger Rev Max in it, give it the rear monoshock from Sportster S and take the fight to Honda.
I was hoping that the special would get the 1250 engine in it. But even with just the 975 I love the way the bike feels. Crying shame it's priced itself out of competition
Absolutely agree the pricing is terrible. Looked at an ultra limited that my wife liked. Harley website said $29k. Dealership wanted $41k out the door… crazy talk. Went to Honda and bought a GL1800 Goldwing instead.
One thing this video made me realize is Harley gauges/clusters are really busy, especially with the large screens and wind coverage. I never thought of Harley as a brand with a busy cockpit before this video.
Looking forward to part two. My guess is you might show that Matt Levatich was right (long term) about now defunct “More Roads” initiative. That’s a “what if” scenario, so we may never know unless Harley stops making bikes like the Breakout and more like the Nightster at a price-point fit for a modern cruiser.
Not in a million years would I have ever thought I’d be riding an Ultra Limited, but now that I have one I would have have a different primary bike. Comfort and storage.
Great video! I was lucky enough to get a lightly used 2022 Nighster with just 610 miles on it in pristine condition. It was listed as $11,999, which was way too expensive. They Brought it down to $7999, and then gave me $2200 for my 2015 Street 500, so $5799 was my final price. I think that was a great deal and I rode away on it. It is a blast!
Would love to see this with Indian as I don't really understand the differences between their bikes beyond looks. Also would like to see this "shootout" type video with Royal Enfield as I can actually afford those, unlike Harley and Indian.
I road the test fleet last year, and coming from mostly sport bikes my favorites were the Sportster S (fast and light) and the street bob (the lightest 117 I think and it had mini apes and forwards which is nice for a taller guy ).
Now that I know that you read all comments, here is my view.. This was a cool video, and I told my wife about the new Harley lineup... Then she said... Dude, Today you ride your Rebel 500 as a dad biker, but 10 years from now, you will be 60, kids will grow up, start their life... you will get right in the market for one of those bikes. And this is the point, there is always going to be somebody who turns 60, every year, and Harley all they need to do, is keep waiting for these folks to get there. Am I going to be one of them ? Dunno, but I'll tell you 10 years from now, how this goes. Great video, thanks for the time you took to make it.
I have to disagree on the Road King Special. It's lighter and handles better than any of the other touring bikes, doesn't have electronics to become horribly dated in 10 years, and you can put any fairing you want on it and quickly remove it as wanted. That makes it essentially convertible. It's the stripped down hot rod roadster of the touring bikes.
What fortuitous timing on this video. My neighbor let me ride his Heritage and I was instantly hooked. Trying to decide between a RGST and LRST...Great video, thank you! Looking forward to the financial analysis.
I would say the LRST if you're not looking to do a ton of miles. It's lighter, faster, and handles better, but for long distance comfort, you can't beat the RGST
That's not bad for the Street Glide Special. I had a 2015 that was 22,000 at that time, still one of my favorite rides, but getting a Breakout this time around.
I have/had no interest in Harley's as of this morning, but man, the premise of this video really excited me. You all seem to have an appropriate love/hate relationship that a healthy consumer should have, and no true brand loyalty, so I was genuinely curious to hear your take. Not disappointed.
The 2022+ FXLRS is the greatest HD ever made, I've been a Triumph guy most of my life. This HD is a game changer much like the PanAm is shaking the Adventure world, the M8 117 and Rev Max are outstanding.
I just bought my 2022 low rider s yesterday, granted it's my first harley and i'm a bike newbie, it's such an amazing bike. I'm 5"10, 5"11 depending on footwear with pretty long legs, I'm gonna take your advice with getting a taller seat and see if it gives me a better riding position. I'm glad you enjoyed the bike as much as I am!
So glad you loved the Low Rider S. My 2022 LRS as a first Harley is fun as heck and no regrets at all. Great platform to build off of, like you said. 👍 ride safe Brother
I was there that day and rode the blue road king. When I asked, the HD guy in the truck said the road king had a stage 2 with a power cam, not a stage 1. That road king would run off and leave any of the stock 117’s I tested, and was unquestionably faster and smoother than any of the other touring bikes and the most fun out of all of them. I’d give it a 9 out or a 10. I rode all the same bikes a week later when the demo truck rolled into Central Texas Harley and reaffirmed that opinion. The 117’s left me cold as do the CVO models. A cam, pipes and a tune and they would be different animals.
I just got a Nightster. Here in Thailand they gave me 15% discount for the bike (2022 model) and 20% discount for accessories. That made this bike cheaper than a Triumph Bobber or an Indian Scout and just a bit more expensive than a Rebel 1100 over here. Very good deal. With a custom exhaust it sounds kinda like a Ducati V2. Very interesting. Ride way quicker than expected out of the box for a Harley.
Spite, I agree with you on the Breakout! I referred to it as a fat pig when I rode one in Daytona. However your review on the Touring bikes is simply based on a 5-10 mile ride during a test. I challenge you to review a Road Glide special or even the Indian Challenger on a long ride. Even ride one up to Sturgis, then ride the other back. Trust that the platform would be better than the ST for those applications. In town…sure the ST is amazing, but is it the best for a longer trip or an entire day in the saddle? Love the show!!!
I ask you to try out a trike, AND YOU TRIED A TRIKE!!!! thank you so much!! You are freaking awesome!!!! I have a fat bob, and a lowrider st.... but my wife would feel better on a trike. I'm the girl that likes rolling the throttle wide open out of a curve, and holding it.... she's the girl that likes to feel safe... someone said marriage is about compromise? But hey, she's the one that married crazy, not me. You're freaking awesome!
Hay Spike your so right about the nightster. I wanted to buy one but the cost was to much for me so I got a Kawasaki z 400. Best investment ever. Thanks again for your help in my dession to buying the Kawasaki z. Really enjoyed it.
I’m the guy who won the FTR 1200 S. I bought a salvaged Kawasaki Z 400. Guess which bike I like the best? There are some real tight tiny roads on mount Diablo. same goes with Highway one. So guess which bike I am having more fun? Big bikes like that are great, If you want to go fast in a straight line. Which is why I see that they appeal to Texans so much
I've been eyeing an FTR because of all the features and how godly it sounds but damn 20k otd is rough, you can get a fully loaded 1290 super adventure for pretty close
As an experienced motorcycle rider and content creator, may I ask you for a comparison video between indian motorcycles and harleys? Especially the new lowrider s versus the chief sport, but also the scout versus the nightster?
I have the nightster special. I enjoy every moment on it. I just wish it was a little bit warmer outside in NY. Plus, it my first bike and I'm doing fine on it. I agree with the price it is hefty.
Harley needs to bring the topper back as an actual handy form of handy transportation for the performance of small errands in the land of suburban sprawl.
I have a 2023 low rider s and I definitely have no issues with it other than I'm 6'1" and i feel i could have a way better foot position than i do but other than that it's a great bike!
I rode quite a few of those a couple months back when they were here in California. Mainly wanted to ride the Pan America, but why not try a few? The breakout is the most beautiful bike HD makes IMO, but agree with all your points. It was a disappointment to ride. The nightster was impressive, buy not my thing. I was really surprised how much I liked the lowrider ST. You talking about the taller seat makes me even more interested.
Even though I wish you had given some time to the street bob, I am looking forward to your more in depth review of the Nightster, I agree is by far the most interesting of the HD showings.
Glad to finally get your opinions on the nightster, it’s just such a more comfortable bike than the rebel and which made it worth every penny over the Honda
Really makes no sense.. Why would you spend 15k on a nightster when you can put down 3k more and get an LR S... Harley really doesn't want young people riding their stuff, that's the only conclusion I can come to
I have to say, I wasn't sure how things would pan out after splitting from your previous employer, but I'm really enjoying the content. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the demo! You’ve helped me confirm that my second bike later this year will definitely NOT be a Harley! I’m just done with the Harley game. Vastly overpriced bikes with huge dealer markups. As much as I want a rev max Harley to go with my LRS, I’ll probably end up going Japanese or Triumph.
We have two competing HD dealerships in town, both charge dealer markups. It’s just a matter of what you can negotiate with them. They both sell a ton of bikes, so apparently there’s a lot of people paying dealer markups.
Finishing a year on my first bike, a Royal Enfield 350, beginning to look into my second bike, something more highway capable, but I just don’t like the Goldwing style big fairing couches….thanks for showing me the options
I just bought a 2009 BMW R1200RT as a second bike to go with my 2022 INT650, and highly recommend the BMW for highway travel. It's not that heavy at 569 lbs., handles very well, has plenty of power, and is very comfortable for two-up touring. I bought it for travel with my wife, but still love my RE when it's just me.
If you are not set on cruisers, I am riding a yamaha tracer 900 gt and its really good for everyday riding. I did highway miles (cruise control is ablessing) on it and spent days in the twisties it just works.
So my biggest issue with Harley are their stock bars. But nobody will ever agree on bars. In my opinion the biggest issue with the breakout is it's stock bars and seat. And those are what everyone says to replace first. Loved your opinion on the Lowrider as well!! And remember with the new M8 motor a new cam and it's a while new bike. Harley severely undercammed the engine to appease the EPA
You make great videos, I appreciate the brutal honesty. I too despise the high prices. I was a proud Harley owner for a long time. I’ve had 5, still have one. I still like em but now I just feel like they’re for the wealthy. Can’t see spending that much on a bike, ever. Too many other bikes are way more affordable and I’m sure will be just as fun.
I reckon every Harley guy would have the Nightster S as a hooning toy in addition to their ‘main’ bike if they were just that little bit cheaper. I can’t justify the cost for what would be a hobby machine. I can’t bare to part with either of my Heritages (twin cam & M8), but I’m in the market for a CVO SG or Indian Chieftain. I’ll make my decision after testing the 116 Thunderstroke on my dad’s new Springfield that arrives tomorrow 😎
I've been riding nothing but Harley's for the past 17 years but the only thing Harley has convinced me of with their 2023 releases is it's time to move away from Harley-Davidson. Their prices are an absolute insult to a prospective buyer considering what they give you in return.
My obese Robert has 2 personalities, one is under 3000 rpms, dr jeckle.... the other is Mr Hyde, who awakens somewhere just before 3500 rpms.. and Mr Hyde fun, really, really, fun....
Let’s face it, there’s not a single bike Harley makes that is actually worth the price tag. Surprisingly, the Pan American is the most modestly priced model in the lineup. Just because they have to compete with other big ADV bikes and the Harley tax isn’t going to sell in that category. What they don’t realize is that the new “sport” category isn’t going to sell at those prices either. Too much competition in that category as well. The baby Nightster should be $11,500 and the special, $13,000 and they would double their sales overnight. But that will never happen while the German is in charge.
I wanna hear the long tirade on the Nightster S. I'm looking at getting it, coming from a '21 Honda CB1000R as my first bike 😂 . Just looking to expand the stable and variety of riding.
That's the problem it's the price I like hd but it's just to expensive to justify getting one over another brand for any category aside for the pan america
Prices on Harleys are hilarious. I have an Iron 883 which MSRPd for $12-13k. You can get a Triumph Speed Twin for that price and it's basically double the power and 100 lbs lighter, same cool classic looks. I won't be coming back to the Harley brand again unless they can get the Bronx out for $12k or so which won't happen
I love the softails i think they are the best bikes by around every time i ride one it becomes my favorite bike, not a fan of the nightster, my softail standard feels better to me.
@@spitescorner Just constructive criticism, love the channel. Most of the bikes you just cut to the riding from one bike to the next and if you don’t know Harleys or their lingo you have no idea what your looking at.
Great Review! Very entertaining and informative. I pretty much 100% agree with all your thoughts on the bikes you rode. Curiosity plagues me though....you missed probably the best softail out of them all, and one that goes toe to toe in every regard to the Lowrider S....take a bow Mr. Fat Bob. (Not Fat Boy...Fat Bob...two very different bikes for those of you who think im talking about Arnold's Two -wheeled T1000 fighting bike). I suggest you spend some time with one if you haven't already. You think the grin from the LRS was wide..just wait until Bob says hells yes in a corner. Yes it doesn't have the 117, but trust me, the 114 is plenty stout in that machine. I GUARANTEE you won't miss it with the Fat Bob being lighter than the LRS. Also, what about the Pam Am? New kid in the ADV world, taking the segment by storm, fantastic engine, with an amazing chassis and great ergos......Again though, great reviews!! Keep it up and entertaining!! Cheers.
I've spent a ton of seat time in both the Pan America and the Fat Bob. There's a bunch of Pan America videos on the channel. As far as LRS to Fat Bob, stock for stock I'll take the LRS. It handles better with more punch.
I’ve never liked Harleys, but man there’s something about the lowrider that scratches an itch I didn’t know I had. That’s the best way I can describe it. I don’t know what it is, something about it just works for me. I don’t know that I would drop the cash for one, but it’s definitely a rad bike. If Harley wants to sell bikes, they need to look at their pricing model. They’re starting to get to a point where they can’t sell the name anymore, they have to sell bikes, and those bikes aren’t worth the price tag. For your die hard Harley rider who won’t touch anything else, he was willing to pay for the bar and shield, but that guy is getting older now. That guy isn’t buying many bikes anymore. That guy has a small amount of time left on two wheels. And his kids aren’t paying for the Harley name, they want a modest bike, at a modest price, that feels like it’s worth every penny they paid for it. I don’t see myself dropping 25 grand on any Harley and thinking “yeah, this was worth every bit of 25 thousand dollars”.
I've just checked HDs pricing here in our corner of Europe and daaaamn. The absolute base trim Nightster (not the special) with no extras still costs 10% more than a Ducati monster in the SP trim...or rougly the same as the BMW R9T which is considered a rich boy's showoff bike. How will they sell their base, plastic covered, working man's entry level bike like this i have no clue.....
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Came here to say the same thing, I'll buy one if they get the code working.
Same. would totally buy, but code isn’t working :(
I know HD has been a fantastic support for the channel and i appreciate them, but i would also love to see you review and compare competing Indian models, Indian and HD competing is the best thing to happen to cruisers since rear suspensions were introduced
100% agree!
100% true!
I see a lot of new Indians on the road.
Is their really a competition. Harley has priced itself so far above everyone else why bother comparing them?
The decision of most consumers will be made based on price anyway. And we all know who wins there.
@@adamnagel7436 I don't know about where you live but in Canada Indian Motorcycles prices are comparable and in some cases higher than Harley-Davidson.
I'm 76 and love being on two wheels, I have just down sized to a Moto Guzzi v7 850 and with 200 miles on it so far I'm happy with it, can't wait for the run in miles to be completed! Way more smiles per mile than a trike of any kind!!!!
I find the idea that a big, heavy machine, even like a road glide, would be anyone's last bike. Getting a lighter bike makes way more sense to me. The Meteor 350 is a success for a reason.
Thank you for highlighting how great Nightster is, and how Harley kneecaps it with pricing. Harley needs to throw the larger Rev Max in it, give it the rear monoshock from Sportster S and take the fight to Honda.
I was hoping that the special would get the 1250 engine in it. But even with just the 975 I love the way the bike feels. Crying shame it's priced itself out of competition
I've ridden my brother's nightster and was impressed with it. I'm glad others feel the same
Harley taking the fight to Honda. 😂😂😂
Looks like shit
I wondered if the 1250 engine would fit in the Nightster from day one? I really like the Nightsters looks over the Sportster S
Im thinking Harley got Rubles and USD mixed up when figuring pricing...
Absolutely agree the pricing is terrible. Looked at an ultra limited that my wife liked. Harley website said $29k. Dealership wanted $41k out the door… crazy talk. Went to Honda and bought a GL1800 Goldwing instead.
Loved meeting you in person --- keep inspiring us! Appreciate everything you do Sir!
One thing this video made me realize is Harley gauges/clusters are really busy, especially with the large screens and wind coverage. I never thought of Harley as a brand with a busy cockpit before this video.
Looking forward to part two. My guess is you might show that Matt Levatich was right (long term) about now defunct “More Roads” initiative. That’s a “what if” scenario, so we may never know unless Harley stops making bikes like the Breakout and more like the Nightster at a price-point fit for a modern cruiser.
More Roads was the future. It got me excited about the future. Hardwire is all about looking backward.
Nice video, did you take out the Fat Bob? If so what did you think? Thanks
Not in a million years would I have ever thought I’d be riding an Ultra Limited, but now that I have one I would have have a different primary bike. Comfort and storage.
One of the best and most honest reviews of Harleys I've heard in a long time. Keep telling it like it is!
Great video. I kind of knew the Nightster would be a favorite - you just can't beat the affordability, the handling and the looks.
Thanks for showing all these bikes. Looking forward for detailed review of Nightster S.
Great video! I was lucky enough to get a lightly used 2022 Nighster with just 610 miles on it in pristine condition. It was listed as $11,999, which was way too expensive. They Brought it down to $7999, and then gave me $2200 for my 2015 Street 500, so $5799 was my final price. I think that was a great deal and I rode away on it. It is a blast!
Awesome idea for a video! Do you think this could be a series? Quick impressions of full lineups like Indian, Honda etc.?
Would love to see this with Indian as I don't really understand the differences between their bikes beyond looks. Also would like to see this "shootout" type video with Royal Enfield as I can actually afford those, unlike Harley and Indian.
If I see other demo days coming down the pipe, I'll do it for sure
I’m going to an Indian demo here in DFW this coming Friday. Can’t wait. I want to ride the Challenger and especially the sport chief. 😎🤙
Really impressed with how this channel continues to grow.
Loved you're reaction to the Nightster. Mine was the same. And she became my first bike 😂
I road the test fleet last year, and coming from mostly sport bikes my favorites were the Sportster S (fast and light) and the street bob (the lightest 117 I think and it had mini apes and forwards which is nice for a taller guy ).
It has the 114…but yeah that’s a hell a motor on a light-ish softail.
Now that I know that you read all comments, here is my view..
This was a cool video, and I told my wife about the new Harley lineup...
Then she said... Dude, Today you ride your Rebel 500 as a dad biker, but 10 years from now, you will be 60, kids will grow up, start their life... you will get right in the market for one of those bikes.
And this is the point, there is always going to be somebody who turns 60, every year, and Harley all they need to do, is keep waiting for these folks to get there.
Am I going to be one of them ? Dunno, but I'll tell you 10 years from now, how this goes.
Great video, thanks for the time you took to make it.
Nice demo day! The truck is coming my way next week and I'm gonna ride a few HD's myself too. You might have convinced me to ride a Nightster Special.
As usual sir...
Fair review there...
Keep up the good work sir....
Cheers....
I have to disagree on the Road King Special. It's lighter and handles better than any of the other touring bikes, doesn't have electronics to become horribly dated in 10 years, and you can put any fairing you want on it and quickly remove it as wanted. That makes it essentially convertible. It's the stripped down hot rod roadster of the touring bikes.
What fortuitous timing on this video. My neighbor let me ride his Heritage and I was instantly hooked. Trying to decide between a RGST and LRST...Great video, thank you! Looking forward to the financial analysis.
I would say the LRST if you're not looking to do a ton of miles. It's lighter, faster, and handles better, but for long distance comfort, you can't beat the RGST
@@spitescorner Thanks Spite, I appreciate the feedback!
That's not bad for the Street Glide Special. I had a 2015 that was 22,000 at that time, still one of my favorite rides, but getting a Breakout this time around.
I have/had no interest in Harley's as of this morning, but man, the premise of this video really excited me. You all seem to have an appropriate love/hate relationship that a healthy consumer should have, and no true brand loyalty, so I was genuinely curious to hear your take. Not disappointed.
Awesome reviews! And great vid! Nice job
After the sticker shock of $50k you start thinking $28k is a good deal, marketing genius. Next stop, Dylan Mulvaney
She might be too short to ride a bagger, though.
Spite, thanks for your honest review.
The 2022+ FXLRS is the greatest HD ever made, I've been a Triumph guy most of my life. This HD is a game changer much like the PanAm is shaking the Adventure world, the M8 117 and Rev Max are outstanding.
I just bought my 2022 low rider s yesterday, granted it's my first harley and i'm a bike newbie, it's such an amazing bike. I'm 5"10, 5"11 depending on footwear with pretty long legs, I'm gonna take your advice with getting a taller seat and see if it gives me a better riding position. I'm glad you enjoyed the bike as much as I am!
Have fun with it the LRS is a killer bike. Definitely a little jealous
forwards made a big difference for me
@@ericknapp3114 Did it decrease your lean angle? Or do you think that will make scraping more prone?
Great video. Harley needs to make themselves more price competitive. For sure. 😎🤙
Or start making better bikes
So glad you loved the Low Rider S. My 2022 LRS as a first Harley is fun as heck and no regrets at all. Great platform to build off of, like you said. 👍 ride safe Brother
I was there that day and rode the blue road king.
When I asked, the HD guy in the truck said the road king had a stage 2 with a power cam, not a stage 1. That road king would run off and leave any of the stock 117’s I tested, and was unquestionably faster and smoother than any of the other touring bikes and the most fun out of all of them. I’d give it a 9 out or a 10.
I rode all the same bikes a week later when the demo truck rolled into Central Texas Harley and reaffirmed that opinion.
The 117’s left me cold as do the CVO models. A cam, pipes and a tune and they would be different animals.
Buda!! I live there, so that's fun...lol. If you wanna ride a '21 MT-03, let me know!
I just got a Nightster. Here in Thailand they gave me 15% discount for the bike (2022 model) and 20% discount for accessories. That made this bike cheaper than a Triumph Bobber or an Indian Scout and just a bit more expensive than a Rebel 1100 over here. Very good deal.
With a custom exhaust it sounds kinda like a Ducati V2. Very interesting. Ride way quicker than expected out of the box for a Harley.
Spite, I agree with you on the Breakout! I referred to it as a fat pig when I rode one in Daytona. However your review on the Touring bikes is simply based on a 5-10 mile ride during a test. I challenge you to review a Road Glide special or even the Indian Challenger on a long ride. Even ride one up to Sturgis, then ride the other back. Trust that the platform would be better than the ST for those applications. In town…sure the ST is amazing, but is it the best for a longer trip or an entire day in the saddle? Love the show!!!
I ask you to try out a trike, AND YOU TRIED A TRIKE!!!! thank you so much!! You are freaking awesome!!!! I have a fat bob, and a lowrider st.... but my wife would feel better on a trike. I'm the girl that likes rolling the throttle wide open out of a curve, and holding it.... she's the girl that likes to feel safe... someone said marriage is about compromise? But hey, she's the one that married crazy, not me. You're freaking awesome!
Review the can am trikes. Which is better trigllide vs can am
I'll never forget throwing my legs over a nightster and was like damn this just feels like a proper motorcycle the reach to the bars was perfect
Hay Spike your so right about the nightster. I wanted to buy one but the cost was to much for me so I got a Kawasaki z 400. Best investment ever. Thanks again for your help in my dession to buying the Kawasaki z. Really enjoyed it.
I’m the guy who won the FTR 1200 S. I bought a salvaged Kawasaki Z 400. Guess which bike I like the best? There are some real tight tiny roads on mount Diablo. same goes with Highway one. So guess which bike I am having more fun? Big bikes like that are great, If you want to go fast in a straight line. Which is why I see that they appeal to Texans so much
I've been eyeing an FTR because of all the features and how godly it sounds but damn 20k otd is rough, you can get a fully loaded 1290 super adventure for pretty close
The thing about the breakout is that it looks awesome
As an experienced motorcycle rider and content creator, may I ask you for a comparison video between indian motorcycles and harleys? Especially the new lowrider s versus the chief sport, but also the scout versus the nightster?
Great video dude! Appreciate what you do.
Honestly the best things about Road Kings is that there isn't a price premium on the used market for them versus the softails🤷
I love my street glide! I don't like the frame mount faring on the road glide looks cool though
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the Street/XG750 given that you've ridden a lot of Harleys.
I have the nightster special. I enjoy every moment on it. I just wish it was a little bit warmer outside in NY. Plus, it my first bike and I'm doing fine on it. I agree with the price it is hefty.
Harley needs to bring the topper back as an actual handy form of handy transportation for the performance of small errands in the land of suburban sprawl.
I have a 2023 low rider s and I definitely have no issues with it other than I'm 6'1" and i feel i could have a way better foot position than i do but other than that it's a great bike!
I rode quite a few of those a couple months back when they were here in California. Mainly wanted to ride the Pan America, but why not try a few? The breakout is the most beautiful bike HD makes IMO, but agree with all your points. It was a disappointment to ride. The nightster was impressive, buy not my thing. I was really surprised how much I liked the lowrider ST. You talking about the taller seat makes me even more interested.
Even though I wish you had given some time to the street bob, I am looking forward to your more in depth review of the Nightster, I agree is by far the most interesting of the HD showings.
Glad to finally get your opinions on the nightster, it’s just such a more comfortable bike than the rebel and which made it worth every penny over the Honda
It was a real surprise. I was expecting it to not fit at all, but I was really comfortable on it.
Missed you glade I found you again
The nightster was was the only HD I was even considering. But due to the price point, I went with the MT09
Spite, if you are ever in the Marietta GA area, and need a 2022 Nightster to review, let me know.
Where is the ST? I was reading it is one inch taller then the S?
Really makes no sense.. Why would you spend 15k on a nightster when you can put down 3k more and get an LR S... Harley really doesn't want young people riding their stuff, that's the only conclusion I can come to
I'd love to see a Harley Davidson Sport bike ,till then I'll keep lovin' my Fxlrs ,👊💯
I have to say, I wasn't sure how things would pan out after splitting from your previous employer, but I'm really enjoying the content. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the demo! You’ve helped me confirm that my second bike later this year will definitely NOT be a Harley!
I’m just done with the Harley game. Vastly overpriced bikes with huge dealer markups. As much as I want a rev max Harley to go with my LRS, I’ll probably end up going Japanese or Triumph.
What about Indian?
Well yea, you don’t even look at Harley if you care about the price
You only pay dealer markup if you're desperate or a doofus, or if you have no competing dealers in your area and are unwilling to travel for a deal.
Yeah, no one on YT ever pays markup. Funny how that works.
We have two competing HD dealerships in town, both charge dealer markups. It’s just a matter of what you can negotiate with them. They both sell a ton of bikes, so apparently there’s a lot of people paying dealer markups.
I know not a new bike but have you ever road the vrod
I like the tri glide but I price one and the cost goes way to fast up.
The low rider s with forward controls feels great
Finishing a year on my first bike, a Royal Enfield 350, beginning to look into my second bike, something more highway capable, but I just don’t like the Goldwing style big fairing couches….thanks for showing me the options
I just bought a 2009 BMW R1200RT as a second bike to go with my 2022 INT650, and highly recommend the BMW for highway travel. It's not that heavy at 569 lbs., handles very well, has plenty of power, and is very comfortable for two-up touring. I bought it for travel with my wife, but still love my RE when it's just me.
If you are not set on cruisers, I am riding a yamaha tracer 900 gt and its really good for everyday riding. I did highway miles (cruise control is ablessing) on it and spent days in the twisties it just works.
So my biggest issue with Harley are their stock bars. But nobody will ever agree on bars.
In my opinion the biggest issue with the breakout is it's stock bars and seat. And those are what everyone says to replace first.
Loved your opinion on the Lowrider as well!! And remember with the new M8 motor a new cam and it's a while new bike. Harley severely undercammed the engine to appease the EPA
You make great videos, I appreciate the brutal honesty. I too despise the high prices. I was a proud Harley owner for a long time. I’ve had 5, still have one. I still like em but now I just feel like they’re for the wealthy. Can’t see spending that much on a bike, ever. Too many other bikes are way more affordable and I’m sure will be just as fun.
I bet the bogging experienced on the Nightster was the traction control.
Great reviews, thank you !
btw, you convinced me not to buy a HD
Your first reaction to the Low Rider S made me legitimately LOL 😂
Great video - thanks!
Great video! Did you had the chance to test the street bob? If so, what did you think of it? I’m thinking about buying that or a low rider s.
So happy to own my 2016 Kawasaki concours. Absolute legend motorcycle.
I reckon every Harley guy would have the Nightster S as a hooning toy in addition to their ‘main’ bike if they were just that little bit cheaper. I can’t justify the cost for what would be a hobby machine. I can’t bare to part with either of my Heritages (twin cam & M8), but I’m in the market for a CVO SG or Indian Chieftain. I’ll make my decision after testing the 116 Thunderstroke on my dad’s new Springfield that arrives tomorrow 😎
I've been riding nothing but Harley's for the past 17 years but the only thing Harley has convinced me of with their 2023 releases is it's time to move away from Harley-Davidson. Their prices are an absolute insult to a prospective buyer considering what they give you in return.
Can't beat a H-D. Unless you're on a Hayabusa....or a Gold-Wing, or a Versys 1000, or an M-T09, or a Vespa, or any other bike really.
I'd love to see you compare the Low Rider S vs the Obese Robert
My obese Robert has 2 personalities, one is under 3000 rpms, dr jeckle.... the other is Mr Hyde, who awakens somewhere just before 3500 rpms.. and Mr Hyde fun, really, really, fun....
I'd love to shoot em out, but having ridden them both, I think the Low Rider S would take the cake.
@@spitescorner as an obese Robert enjoyer that’s exactly why I’d love to see your take.
bought a Fanttic tire inflator 3 months ago. Wish I could have gotten that deal! 😯
Let’s face it, there’s not a single bike Harley makes that is actually worth the price tag.
Surprisingly, the Pan American is the most modestly priced model in the lineup. Just because they have to compete with other big ADV bikes and the Harley tax isn’t going to sell in that category. What they don’t realize is that the new “sport” category isn’t going to sell at those prices either. Too much competition in that category as well. The baby Nightster should be $11,500 and the special, $13,000 and they would double their sales overnight. But that will never happen while the German is in charge.
Enjoying the content so much more now that hammy boob or whatever his name is gone. Great job spite
Spite, the Fanttik coupon gives you 5%, not 50%. Still, handy portable inflator. Supports your channel as well.
Good harley vid... esp for someone who don't ride harley. You thought about doing some Indians ?
I wanna hear the long tirade on the Nightster S. I'm looking at getting it, coming from a '21 Honda CB1000R as my first bike 😂 . Just looking to expand the stable and variety of riding.
That's the problem it's the price I like hd but it's just to expensive to justify getting one over another brand for any category aside for the pan america
Picking up my new low rider s tomorrow and beyond hyped
Prices on Harleys are hilarious. I have an Iron 883 which MSRPd for $12-13k. You can get a Triumph Speed Twin for that price and it's basically double the power and 100 lbs lighter, same cool classic looks. I won't be coming back to the Harley brand again unless they can get the Bronx out for $12k or so which won't happen
I love the softails i think they are the best bikes by around every time i ride one it becomes my favorite bike, not a fan of the nightster, my softail standard feels better to me.
I hope they let you test the XG750. I would watch that!
I started on an XG750. It was pretty alright. The Street Rod was better
@@spitescorner Sorry Spite. No street cruiser is cooler than a dedicated flat tracker. 😄
That's worthy of 8 Hell Yeah Brothers!
Hey Spite, HD is still making the 107. The Softail Standard survived the cut, and the 107.
I wish you would have at least shown us a picture of what you were riding.
I showed b roll of the bikes
@@spitescorner Just constructive criticism, love the channel. Most of the bikes you just cut to the riding from one bike to the next and if you don’t know Harleys or their lingo you have no idea what your looking at.
Great Review! Very entertaining and informative. I pretty much 100% agree with all your thoughts on the bikes you rode. Curiosity plagues me though....you missed probably the best softail out of them all, and one that goes toe to toe in every regard to the Lowrider S....take a bow Mr. Fat Bob. (Not Fat Boy...Fat Bob...two very different bikes for those of you who think im talking about Arnold's Two
-wheeled T1000 fighting bike). I suggest you spend some time with one if you haven't already. You think the grin from the LRS was wide..just wait until Bob says hells yes in a corner. Yes it doesn't have the 117, but trust me, the 114 is plenty stout in that machine. I GUARANTEE you won't miss it with the Fat Bob being lighter than the LRS. Also, what about the Pam Am? New kid in the ADV world, taking the segment by storm, fantastic engine, with an amazing chassis and great ergos......Again though, great reviews!! Keep it up and entertaining!! Cheers.
I've spent a ton of seat time in both the Pan America and the Fat Bob. There's a bunch of Pan America videos on the channel. As far as LRS to Fat Bob, stock for stock I'll take the LRS. It handles better with more punch.
Take a look at the Fast x (Fast and furious 10) trailer. Jason Momoa drives a harley something that looks vaguely like a naked bike.
It Harley fast. The HDRA is like the Special Olympics of motorcycles.
I’ve never liked Harleys, but man there’s something about the lowrider that scratches an itch I didn’t know I had. That’s the best way I can describe it. I don’t know what it is, something about it just works for me. I don’t know that I would drop the cash for one, but it’s definitely a rad bike. If Harley wants to sell bikes, they need to look at their pricing model. They’re starting to get to a point where they can’t sell the name anymore, they have to sell bikes, and those bikes aren’t worth the price tag. For your die hard Harley rider who won’t touch anything else, he was willing to pay for the bar and shield, but that guy is getting older now. That guy isn’t buying many bikes anymore. That guy has a small amount of time left on two wheels. And his kids aren’t paying for the Harley name, they want a modest bike, at a modest price, that feels like it’s worth every penny they paid for it. I don’t see myself dropping 25 grand on any Harley and thinking “yeah, this was worth every bit of 25 thousand dollars”.
I've just checked HDs pricing here in our corner of Europe and daaaamn. The absolute base trim Nightster (not the special) with no extras still costs 10% more than a Ducati monster in the SP trim...or rougly the same as the BMW R9T which is considered a rich boy's showoff bike. How will they sell their base, plastic covered, working man's entry level bike like this i have no clue.....
I get nervous watching when you take your hands off the handlebars and start gesturing 😮
I have the 2022 Street Bob with the 114. It comes to life when it doesn't have to carry an extra three hundred pounds of dresser crap.
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