+OkieFats ITCXTC The "little TV" thing happened to me, I scored a Philips 60MHz digital storage scope for 5€ because the guy complained that it was from his father and it was an old TV with a little useless screen that was big and useless and moreover it would only show a straight blue horizontal line and the volume selector had weird numbers (referring to the amplitude knob) and that he didn't find the right plug for the four antennas required (the channel BNC plugs)... When I got on the train carrying the oscilloscope I couldn't think about the scene without bursting laughing out very loud every 5 seconds ... a little TV... :-D
douglas lee Yes it is a true story! A friend of mine told me "look one of my friends is throwing out stuff in his garage, there may something good in there so you should take a look" and I did... ant this is what happened (oscilloscope for 5€) I resisted for the whole scene without laughing at the guy who kept calling it the little TV, but as soon as I got out of his garage I couldn't think of the scene without laughing. People on the train were looking at me because I had such a big smile while staring at my oscilloscope :D
Its because designers knew how to make real tools for engineers back in the day that worked properly for an intended purpose. Today's instruments are all cheap plastic and poor quality components and the buyer is expected to report the software bugs back to the manufacturers because they can't be bothered to get it right before putting products on sale.
Awesome, i've had the HM605 scope in storage for a good ten years and keep meaning to get it out (which I will now). I never understood a lot of the functionallity but thanks to this video I now know how all the features work. Thanks!!!!
I like test equipment. If you have a problem with that, don't watch my channel. Or here's a really novel idea, don't watch the videos you don't like. But I know that's really hard to do because of my very cryptic and misleading titles.
Wow! Super nice :) I took electronics in 1985 at a tech school. Love these old oscilloscopes. Wish I could have one and go back into electronics. Thanks for sharing. Your videos are fantastic. Wish I could visit Australia someday before leaving this earth.
I took a dive in a dumpster and pulled out a Hameg 312 that worked well enough to give it a few new pots :) 10MHz, single trace, instructions in German, used a TTL oscillator to calibrate it and it works great now!
+Kevin Zabbo My Hameg 208 arrived this morning. Now have two scopes from the '80s. Both goers and calibrated beautifully. Hitachi V1050F 100MHz Hameg 208 20MHz
Very good advice at 27:30, I recently repaired an hm303-6 with unstable and distorted trace. I tried for several days to figure out what is wrong, then I simply removed the only socketed IC from the TB board and put it back in place and it was like a magic fix!! It was almost stuck and had some rust/dirt on it's legs. Then I cleaned the socket with contact spray and old toothbrush.
My best oscilloscope buy ever... I bought a *pallet* of "dead" scopes, including a Tektronix TAS475 and a Tektronix TDS420A... Get this... For FIFTY CENTS!!! XD Opening bid was $1. I waited the auctioneer out and got him to $0.50! It wasn't me being cheap... I was just waiting for an opening bid from ANYONE other than me! It was the PERFECT auction... My old former employer was consolidating two buildings into one, and had an auction to liquidate unnecessary stuff. There were three types of bidders there that day. People who came in looking for a nice workbench or desk or some shelving for their shop, metal scrappers, and _me_. I was the ONLY person there interested in electronic test equipment. I got a nice digital hipot tester for $3, and a load of other equipment... So, the crowning moment of win was a *Tektronix TDS420A*. It had hit the front BNCs. Channels 2-4 worked, and still tested within their calibration, so I simply replaced the BNCs. Channel 1 was dead though. I went online and I found a dead TDS420A that looked like a dead CPU (based on the item description). I got the dead scope, desoldered the ceramic module for channel 1, transplanted it, took the scope into our calibration lab and made sure it was good!!! And I had a working Tektronix TDS420A! I do regret selling it though... I spent 50 cents, plus $270 for the dead scope, Resold the leftover parts for $230... So I had a $40.50 Tektronix TDS420A. That doesn't even mention the other scopes. about half a dozen that I sold for between $20-80 on ebay, one I sold for $180, and one Tektronix TAS475 that I think I got $270 for. The TAS475 had only ONE problem... The plastic in front of the screen had gotten so dusty inside, that it looked like it had suffered CRT burn... but it was fine. Just needed cleaning! I do still wish i'd have kept the TDS420A... It was nice. I needed cash back then, so... bummer... At least I got $500 for it! XD
Brilliant presentation, Dave. I remember Hameg scopes at college. They were pretty much bomb proof. According one lecturer he said they can bouce without damage. I still have a Hameg 605 60mhz scope and it still works perfectly as does its component tester. Very nice scopes. Thanks for your video. You are a true genius.
I use a 1964 Philips GM5600 electron valve based scope.. got all the service data and schematics recallibrated it and replaced a couple of valves and electrolytics and it works perfect. use it a lot for repairs on SMPS tv and vcr repair.
As far as I'm concerned this was a repair video! As an novice with a descent understanding to electronics jargon goes you've taught me a lot on what to look for and how to make quick fixes and or repair them. BTW: Just keep doing test equipment video's cause I watch them from beginning to end and the length of the video doesn't bother me either.
Nice to see, my first job (while still in school in the 80’s) was repairing those at the Dutch disti, starting with the non-storage models (HM-203 IIRC). Also visited the factory, very impressive. Mr. Hartman believed to have everything in-house even the tools to produce the plastics. Loved the component tester, this video triggered me to hunt for an old Hameg scope to get one :-)
Same here , i need a scope and grew up in the 1990's and have been less than impressed with the latency of digital scopes and their low frame rate. The continuous smooth capability of this analog scope is exactly what i liked about technology and hoped it would take us to futurustic star treck like sci fi, but then came digital and it ruined everything to increase profits.
Thanks for the video and the contact cleaning spray tip for fixing the artefacts when turning the volts/division. Fixed channel 1 using this method. BTW, on the 203-6, you have to pop off the orange cap and unscrew the inner knob first. It doesn't just pull out. All the best.
EEVblog Could you do a calibration video for the Hameg? I have the HM205 which is the version previous to the one in this vid, I've looked through the manual and it doesn't give me the calibration info like you had for the Tektronix 2225 teardown and calibration video.
+MechV what kind of manual do you have? Maybe it is a users manual and you propably need a service manual for that? Sometimes they divide it into multiple documents Mine came with a users manual, a programmers manual, a manual for the various expansion modules and a service manual
I purchased this exact same unit, from the same very auction I suspect - I think I paid $35, I was also thrilled to find mine worked straight away - totally buzzed
I've just used my Rigol DS2072A-S's signal generator output to recalibrate my HM205. If you ever need to recal the HM205-3, you may find that the calibration instructions for the HM205-2 (which tell you about which pots to tweak) work for the HM205-3. They're almost a perfect match for the original HM205 (only the storage board and built-in signal generator instructions differ as the pots have moved). The HM205-2 manual is the most in-depth of the three.
One of the Best Hameg Videos ever. ! I own a Hameg 207, about 40 Years old and it still works. HAMEGS are "built of catalytic converters" - if they do not make it broken, they do not get it broken. Only the capacitors of High-Voltage System or the ray-tube make limp after really long times. Best Hamegs are from 80ies and 90ies, even when HM 205-X appeared. Best devices for use in educational.Awesome devices!
One extra thing to add. Channel 1 and channel 2 should be copies of each other. What you find on the working channel should be present on the bad channel. Comparing simple voltage measurements should be able to knock it down to a certain area.
I am a beginner and have been watching your videos. This one of the $19 Hameg HM205-3 got me excited. Well, you were excited. I found a reasonably priced one owner HM 303-4 (1995) analog 30 mHz scope. It seems to be very similar to the one in your video. It is under $100 after shipping costs. It is working with no known problems according to the seller. I am going for it. Wish me luck with my first oscilloscope.
I have exactly that scope!! Love it! Only the time/div fine adjustment has come loose and needs a fix. Storage mode is great too, even if only really useful at AF.
Just got the HM605, similar but 60mhz, and it has exactly the same issue. The button is esp bad on the 1ms and up high it is okay again. It's just a thing with these scopes I guess, I'll have to dick around with that button a bit, should be working after some bumping around on it haha
Getting rid of some of my old stuff, there was some mis-communication.I offered my stuff to anyone who would like to use it only to return one evening to see my once beloved Telequipment valve scope being thrown straight through the bakelite case of my valve Philips radio in the back of a Luton Transit van. I just couldn't look and walked on.
Excellent video! For the red cal button on the volts knob you should use a tiny allen key to screw the allen bolt that hold the shaft . It was loosen. Thats why it wasnt able to rotate the potentiometer.
My hm605 is still using it today from when I purchased it in 1988 and the HN205-3 which I bought 20 years ago is also still working. I love the component tester. I do have a rigol digital
Oh wow, in secondary school we had one of these as the big posh 'scope for the entire electronics lab. I spent so long learning how to use it and the very similar purely analog versions of them. so many memories!
I just recently scored a Tektronix TAS 475, which is an analog scope with digital controls. The thing is really nice! I get those smooth analog traces and digital cursors with frequency counters and stuff like that. About the only thing it can't do is store a waveform, but so far that hasn't been a big deal. Prior to buying it, I used an old Gould 20 MHz digalog scope kinda like this one. It was OK for audio-frequency stuff, but it just couldn't hack anything higher than about 10 MHz.
It is a very good thing to give this away...by this you are maybe giving some very interested (and poor) electronic beginner a good kick start... It is always fun to share and give when possible.
Actually, you can get downloads of the full operation and service manual including schematics for basically everything from Hameg for free. Rhode&Schwarz, who bought Hameg in the early 2000s, have high quality scans publicly available.
Dave! Thanks for the demo of cleaning contacts on the rotary switches. Little tips like that are so helpful to rookies like me. It was fun watching you fix it.
Got an earlier model (HM204), been using it for over 10 years I think and gotta agree that they're lovely analog scopes. Joy for ever indeed. I'd still love to get a Tek, preferably tube one. The component tester works similar to Mr Carlson's Lab curve/signature tracer, drawing the I=f(V) characteristic for the part. "P for platypus" LOL.
I have a 20Mhz HM-208 and for LF and audio it's great. The only 'fault' is the timebase linearity is out by 1% fast to the right. Other than that it's perfect and in near mint condition. I love it!
I got a 2445 for $50, a GW Instek for $25, and an old 465B for $75. My 1963 tube HP scope was free. It had been modified for strobo tach, so the intensity was pegged out maximum and it was essentially being used as a fancy strobe light. I worked, with some minor repairs, but I salvaged the Dutch ECC88s out of it and it is now a boat anchor.
Hy Dave, You doing awesome reviews about electronics instruments I like all of your videos, especially this one as I managed to get a Hameg HM208 analog scope for free :) as at my work they wanted to throw it away... So I put my hands on it and took it home its working as piece of cake... Greeting from UK a Hungarian test engineer...
To fix the vertical adjustment make a groove at the end of the shaft (at the position of the pot) with a wire cutter. Then squeeze shaft through the pot (retain the pot with the screwdriver so it won't break off the board).
Oh, BTW the 'The Ball and Plate' experiment at university level is a control system that is programmed to balance a steel ball on a flat plate and then the plate moves to make the ball trace out various paths such as circles and the like. That is almost certainly what it was. For school pupils the ball and plate is a timed fall of a ball bearing onto a plate that opens a switch to enable one to determine g by free fall - hope that is of interest. Thanks for a great video!
There is something therapeutic about lifting socketed dips half way out with a bent regular screw driver and shoving them back in. There may even be a law requiring it for the 7400 and 7404.
Cleaning the panel switches and pots with contact cleaner is one of the easiest ways to bring old equipment back to calibration. My 70's vintage HP military scope was really bad. (quite a few marks off of scale for voltage) a little contact cleaner and the 40+ year old scope came back to near perfect. *Always* clean contact points before you start tweaking things and adjusting your tounge angle :P
I have got a Hameg HM-408 (similar vintage/construction, but a bit more bandwidth and a few more features). As far as serviceability is concerned; yes it uses mostly standard parts and the service manual is easily found, but these Hameg scopes are near impossible to take apart. It is not just a matter of unscrewing and unplugging but also desoldering wires to get where you need to be. If you need to do some work on one of the boards (especially the inner ones); good luck!
Nice video Dave, Used Hamegs and Gold (Or is it Gould) at college way back in the early eighties. Those Hamegs back then were Dark grey outer with Lighter fascias. Bandwidth was similar though. You got a gooden there I think. A little work but worth it, great scope for a beginner....
I used that things in school and university, that was in the 90s. ;) Kind of nostalgic feelings come up. But I remember that none of them looked so clean and tidied. :D Congrats on that bargain!
Love it, i actually decided from this video, i will get an analog scope, i like it much better this is way better than low end digital scope. Your price is ridiculously low though, impossible to find except with seller without a clue which is very rare.
Looking at the mechanical interfaces coupled with all the through board components and socketing, explains why oscilloscopes were so expensive historically.
Thank you SO much for that tidbit of information - you are, in fact, a savior. Cheers! Now the guy I've been talking to might be less reluctant to give the repairs a stab, with a service manual.
Nice Video. Just bought a fully working 100 mhz Legend LBO-516 ( made in Japan ) analog scope for 125$. Came with 2 probes and both user and service manuals. Does not seem quite as much of a good deal as this one but im still happy. :) It is my first scope .
The vertical amplifiers seem to work. You can get a dot centered. I'd lean heavily on the front end amplification. Probably got hit with an overvoltage and blew out some transistors.
Had a hameg 204 not in good shape which my father got for free from a former work place, and it was part of my introduction to scopes, but we ended up getting a hp 54501A and like it a lot
When working on these old scopes, how do you use a Variac and an isolation transformer? Do you hook them together or do you use each one separately hooked into the 120VAC power line? Or, do you even need a Variac and an isolation transformer? I would think the Variac is handy in case an unknown condition scope had a major short that you wouldn't want to apply full line voltage to. Is an isolation transformer handy or necessary when working on the old scopes? I'll be working on old Tek 465 scopes.
yeah no problem. the current Hameg distributor in my country (NL) also stocks parts for the old models. In fact, the parts were quite cheap (I also included a few buttons and knob caps etc) but they did charge me a premium for small order costs. In total I had the thing running with 100% original parts for under 50€
I bought an old philips PM3217 for 10€ at school. I could tested it and it works well. I was lucky. I just asked the teacher if he have an old one which he doesn't need.
I had a panasonic vp-5710a 4-channel scope that I sold for next to nothing. It was broken and was sitting on a shelf so I just couldn't be bothered to try and repair it. I couldn't even find a user manual for it... I am actually kind of regretting it now, it was the most heavily features packed scope I've ever seen.
Probably the most enjoyable Oscilliscope video I've seen from you yet. Would have been nice to also show what you were doing with the signal generator, but no big deal there really, and definetly a thumbs up for this one! Great fun seeing what you can produce on the screen, now I want one.
On a side note, one thing the UTS building is good for is navigation!! When I was in high school and caught the train to the city, I could always find central station again.. head for UTS!! you can see it from almost anywhere!
Thanks for the teardown Dave. I love seeing German design but they are usually a pain to work on when they finally break. To be fair, this was a malfunctioning scope for $19. A beginner has no business cracking open a mains powered device in my opinion. The $50 to $100 range is more realistic for an older working model.
On that vernier issue - I kept shouting at my screen - "Check the set screw ... isn't that black thing a set screw???" LOL !! Did you ever check that out? Did it fix it by just tightening the set screw onto the shaft ??
36:20 Never probe these higher voltages with two hands as Dave is doing here; probe one handed with your other hand in your pocket. A gator clip for the ground probe really helps here.
Last time I was in the electronics field back in the early 1990s, a oscope for less than $200 was a steal. One like this one minus the digital, would cost $250 - 300 all day long.
I can't find any cheap scopes here in the US. Everything is at least $150.00 "untested" (which means they tested it and it didn't work). Guess I'll be buying one of those cheap nano pocket scopes.
I'm a bit late, but try checking the website auctionzip to find local auctions. Every once and awhile you will see the motherlode of electronics show up.
Well, I suppose it depends on your location. Around here, you don't see so many local electronics auctions. Near some heavy technology center, I bet you would get more hits. Oh, and worth mentioning- if you are in Arizona, check out the Los Alamos National Labs Auction (Bentley & Associates). We're talking pallets of test equipment. hundreds and hundreds of oscilloscopes. Unbelievable amount of stuff.
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Cool, I scored a 65 Mhz dual channel analog for $25.00. The guy kept calling it a little TV! I thought, yeah, this is going to be a good deal!
That's brilliant! I'm guessing he wasn't an engineer lol
+OkieFats ITCXTC The "little TV" thing happened to me, I scored a Philips 60MHz digital storage scope for 5€ because the guy complained that it was from his father and it was an old TV with a little useless screen that was big and useless and moreover it would only show a straight blue horizontal line and the volume selector had weird numbers (referring to the amplitude knob) and that he didn't find the right plug for the four antennas required (the channel BNC plugs)...
When I got on the train carrying the oscilloscope I couldn't think about the scene without bursting laughing out very loud every 5 seconds ... a little TV... :-D
+MrOpenGL Is that really a true story? If so, it's one of the most hilarious things I've ever heard..... As Dave would say "Good On ya"
douglas lee
Yes it is a true story! A friend of mine told me "look one of my friends is throwing out stuff in his garage, there may something good in there so you should take a look" and I did... ant this is what happened (oscilloscope for 5€)
I resisted for the whole scene without laughing at the guy who kept calling it the little TV, but as soon as I got out of his garage I couldn't think of the scene without laughing.
People on the train were looking at me because I had such a big smile while staring at my oscilloscope :D
Cool, very, very cool. I'm going to remember that story. You got so lucky!
those analogue scopes look so much better than the digital ones
Its because designers knew how to make real tools for engineers back in the day that worked properly for an intended purpose. Today's instruments are all cheap plastic and poor quality components and the buyer is expected to report the software bugs back to the manufacturers because they can't be bothered to get it right before putting products on sale.
I like the look of the old 70's Tektronix 456m
Nick Tate k
Nick Tate @ Because it is not made in China 😉
True, but they did cost the buyer many more orders of magnitude back in the day.
Wow, that is one of the scopes I traind basics for semiconductor manufacturing in Germany. Big thumbs up!
$19 oscilloscope, $100 shipping.
***** Still a bargain.
+inademv Yeah, when you don't even know if it is working or not.
Jaroslav Súkeník"Not tested" "as-is" can probably be assumed as "not-working"
+Jaroslav Súkeník just another adventure , try to fix it if it's f....d
Awesome, i've had the HM605 scope in storage for a good ten years and keep meaning to get it out (which I will now). I never understood a lot of the functionallity but thanks to this video I now know how all the features work. Thanks!!!!
I like test equipment. If you have a problem with that, don't watch my channel. Or here's a really novel idea, don't watch the videos you don't like. But I know that's really hard to do because of my very cryptic and misleading titles.
Just scored a fully working HM305 from the Uni skip bin where I live in Newy. Just starting to learn how to use one.
Wow! Super nice :) I took electronics in 1985 at a tech school. Love these old oscilloscopes. Wish I could have one and go back into electronics. Thanks for sharing. Your videos are fantastic. Wish I could visit Australia someday before leaving this earth.
I took a dive in a dumpster and pulled out a Hameg 312 that worked well enough to give it a few new pots :)
10MHz, single trace, instructions in German, used a TTL oscillator to calibrate it and it works great now!
+Kevin Zabbo
My Hameg 208 arrived this morning. Now have two scopes from the '80s. Both goers and calibrated beautifully.
Hitachi V1050F 100MHz
Hameg 208 20MHz
I like the crunching sound they make in the dual wipe sockets.
Its possible travel with oscilloscope in flight please answare me
I used a lot Hameg scopes when I was at school.30 years ago. They were very reliable. And I believe they should still be perfect for a beginner.
Not just ror beginners, but everyone
Not a beginner scope, as an engineer this scope can do most of what a scope is used for.
Thank, that just helped me to repair my own HM205-3! Had a broken component tester fuse and dicky knobs as well. Thanks again! Love your blog!
Very good advice at 27:30, I recently repaired an hm303-6 with unstable and distorted trace. I tried for several days to figure out what is wrong, then I simply removed the only socketed IC from the TB board and put it back in place and it was like a magic fix!! It was almost stuck and had some rust/dirt on it's legs. Then I cleaned the socket with contact spray and old toothbrush.
My best oscilloscope buy ever... I bought a *pallet* of "dead" scopes, including a Tektronix TAS475 and a Tektronix TDS420A... Get this...
For FIFTY CENTS!!! XD
Opening bid was $1. I waited the auctioneer out and got him to $0.50! It wasn't me being cheap... I was just waiting for an opening bid from ANYONE other than me! It was the PERFECT auction... My old former employer was consolidating two buildings into one, and had an auction to liquidate unnecessary stuff. There were three types of bidders there that day. People who came in looking for a nice workbench or desk or some shelving for their shop, metal scrappers, and _me_. I was the ONLY person there interested in electronic test equipment. I got a nice digital hipot tester for $3, and a load of other equipment...
So, the crowning moment of win was a *Tektronix TDS420A*. It had hit the front BNCs. Channels 2-4 worked, and still tested within their calibration, so I simply replaced the BNCs. Channel 1 was dead though. I went online and I found a dead TDS420A that looked like a dead CPU (based on the item description). I got the dead scope, desoldered the ceramic module for channel 1, transplanted it, took the scope into our calibration lab and made sure it was good!!! And I had a working Tektronix TDS420A!
I do regret selling it though... I spent 50 cents, plus $270 for the dead scope, Resold the leftover parts for $230... So I had a $40.50 Tektronix TDS420A.
That doesn't even mention the other scopes. about half a dozen that I sold for between $20-80 on ebay, one I sold for $180, and one Tektronix TAS475 that I think I got $270 for. The TAS475 had only ONE problem... The plastic in front of the screen had gotten so dusty inside, that it looked like it had suffered CRT burn... but it was fine. Just needed cleaning!
I do still wish i'd have kept the TDS420A... It was nice. I needed cash back then, so...
bummer... At least I got $500 for it! XD
Brilliant presentation, Dave. I remember Hameg scopes at college. They were pretty much bomb proof. According one lecturer he said they can bouce without damage. I still have a Hameg 605 60mhz scope and it still works perfectly as does its component tester. Very nice scopes.
Thanks for your video. You are a true genius.
That's a Sweet Scope, and a great walk-through on it!
You offering this scope to a deserving beginner shown strength of character!
Dave, I grew from boy to man through my apprenticeship with this little beauty, so many happy memories!
I use a 1964 Philips GM5600 electron valve based scope..
got all the service data and schematics recallibrated it and replaced a couple of valves and electrolytics and it works perfect.
use it a lot for repairs on SMPS tv and vcr repair.
I uploaded it 1 minute ago, you haven't even watched it yet!
As far as I'm concerned this was a repair video!
As an novice with a descent understanding to electronics jargon goes you've taught me a lot on what to look for and how to make quick fixes and or repair them.
BTW: Just keep doing test equipment video's cause I watch them from beginning to end and the length of the video doesn't bother me either.
Nice to see, my first job (while still in school in the 80’s) was repairing those at the Dutch disti, starting with the non-storage models (HM-203 IIRC). Also visited the factory, very impressive. Mr. Hartman believed to have everything in-house even the tools to produce the plastics.
Loved the component tester, this video triggered me to hunt for an old Hameg scope to get one :-)
Same here , i need a scope and grew up in the 1990's and have been less than impressed with the latency of digital scopes and their low frame rate. The continuous smooth capability of this analog scope is exactly what i liked about technology and hoped it would take us to futurustic star treck like sci fi, but then came digital and it ruined everything to increase profits.
Thanks for the video and the contact cleaning spray tip for fixing the artefacts when turning the volts/division. Fixed channel 1 using this method. BTW, on the 203-6, you have to pop off the orange cap and unscrew the inner knob first. It doesn't just pull out. All the best.
I kept my old Hameg just for it's component tester. Why don't all scopes have one?
Would love to see a video on how to use the Oscilloscope for testing, even just some basic stuff.
I've never been a jealous person... until now.
offff Mihnea. :)
I scored a $300 scope, my school was throwing it out xD
Nice!
EEVblog Could you do a calibration video for the Hameg? I have the HM205 which is the version previous to the one in this vid, I've looked through the manual and it doesn't give me the calibration info like you had for the Tektronix 2225 teardown and calibration video.
+MechV what kind of manual do you have?
Maybe it is a users manual and you propably need a service manual for that?
Sometimes they divide it into multiple documents
Mine came with a users manual, a programmers manual, a manual for the various expansion modules and a service manual
+Manhi40 Arch lol
+Manhi40 Toy are SO SO SO SO SO SO SO LUCKY!!!!!
I purchased this exact same unit, from the same very auction I suspect - I think I paid $35, I was also thrilled to find mine worked straight away - totally buzzed
I've just used my Rigol DS2072A-S's signal generator output to recalibrate my HM205.
If you ever need to recal the HM205-3, you may find that the calibration instructions for the HM205-2 (which tell you about which pots to tweak) work for the HM205-3. They're almost a perfect match for the original HM205 (only the storage board and built-in signal generator instructions differ as the pots have moved). The HM205-2 manual is the most in-depth of the three.
One of the Best Hameg Videos ever. ! I own a Hameg 207, about 40 Years old and it still works. HAMEGS are "built of catalytic converters" - if they do not make it broken, they do not get it broken. Only the capacitors of High-Voltage System or the ray-tube make limp after really long times. Best Hamegs are from 80ies and 90ies, even when HM 205-X appeared. Best devices for use in educational.Awesome devices!
One extra thing to add. Channel 1 and channel 2 should be copies of each other. What you find on the working channel should be present on the bad channel. Comparing simple voltage measurements should be able to knock it down to a certain area.
I am a beginner and have been watching your videos. This one of the $19 Hameg HM205-3 got me excited. Well, you were excited. I found a reasonably priced one owner HM 303-4 (1995) analog 30 mHz scope. It seems to be very similar to the one in your video. It is under $100 after shipping costs. It is working with no known problems according to the seller. I am going for it. Wish me luck with my first oscilloscope.
How did it turn out?
How’d it turn out
I have exactly that scope!! Love it! Only the time/div fine adjustment has come loose and needs a fix. Storage mode is great too, even if only really useful at AF.
Just got the HM605, similar but 60mhz, and it has exactly the same issue. The button is esp bad on the 1ms and up high it is okay again. It's just a thing with these scopes I guess, I'll have to dick around with that button a bit, should be working after some bumping around on it haha
Getting rid of some of my old stuff, there was some mis-communication.I offered my stuff to anyone who would like to use it only to return one evening to see my once beloved Telequipment valve scope being thrown straight through the bakelite case of my valve Philips radio in the back of a Luton Transit van. I just couldn't look and walked on.
Thats so sad😢
Excellent video!
For the red cal button on the volts knob you should use a tiny allen key to screw the allen bolt that hold the shaft . It was loosen. Thats why it wasnt able to rotate the potentiometer.
My hm605 is still using it today from when I purchased it in 1988 and the HN205-3 which I bought 20 years ago is also still working.
I love the component tester.
I do have a rigol digital
Oh wow, in secondary school we had one of these as the big posh 'scope for the entire electronics lab. I spent so long learning how to use it and the very similar purely analog versions of them.
so many memories!
Woow memories! I used Hameg scopes when I was doing my HNC electronics in college in the early 90's.
I just recently scored a Tektronix TAS 475, which is an analog scope with digital controls. The thing is really nice! I get those smooth analog traces and digital cursors with frequency counters and stuff like that. About the only thing it can't do is store a waveform, but so far that hasn't been a big deal. Prior to buying it, I used an old Gould 20 MHz digalog scope kinda like this one. It was OK for audio-frequency stuff, but it just couldn't hack anything higher than about 10 MHz.
It is a very good thing to give this away...by this you are maybe giving some very interested (and poor) electronic beginner a good kick start... It is always fun to share and give when possible.
Actually, you can get downloads of the full operation and service manual including schematics for basically everything from Hameg for free. Rhode&Schwarz, who bought Hameg in the early 2000s, have high quality scans publicly available.
Great Dave, have one of these myself, great as an analog scope or to track a signal constantly!
Yep, there's a reason for that! They also don't tell you about the urban cyclone that forms between buildings.
No you have perfect timing and content! Thank you for your videos Dave!
I've had an HM203.7 20MHz scope since 1990 and still working perfectly. Cost me 400 UK pounds back in its day. Its a great piece of kit.
Dave! Thanks for the demo of cleaning contacts on the rotary switches. Little tips like that are so helpful to rookies like me. It was fun watching you fix it.
I have sold or given away most I have acquired over the years. I only have the Tek 2225 analog left.
Got an earlier model (HM204), been using it for over 10 years I think and gotta agree that they're lovely analog scopes. Joy for ever indeed. I'd still love to get a Tek, preferably tube one.
The component tester works similar to Mr Carlson's Lab curve/signature tracer, drawing the I=f(V) characteristic for the part. "P for platypus" LOL.
Great vid Dave, always enjoy but this was a real surprise the way it came to life, Good show. DAVE from U.S.A.
I have a 20Mhz HM-208 and for LF and audio it's great. The only 'fault' is the timebase linearity is out by 1% fast to the right. Other than that it's perfect and in near mint condition.
I love it!
I have a Hameg too. The HM412, still works like a charm. -- You will love the way the push-buttons are connected. :-)
Have the exact same model at home, first thing I had it display was a Lissajous curve.
Grande!!
Great scope! I have had mine for years, it works every time i turn it on. If you take care of it, it will take care of you every time! Great videos!
Dave! when you say is easy reparable you can try and replace the boards and see how easy it is! good luck with that!
Very usefull information. I may have some other questions to do. but I'll do it on experimenting. It's like the one I use at school!
I got a 2445 for $50, a GW Instek for $25, and an old 465B for $75. My 1963 tube HP scope was free. It had been modified for strobo tach, so the intensity was pegged out maximum and it was essentially being used as a fancy strobe light. I worked, with some minor repairs, but I salvaged the Dutch ECC88s out of it and it is now a boat anchor.
Hy Dave,
You doing awesome reviews about electronics instruments I like all of your videos, especially this one as I managed to get a Hameg HM208 analog scope for free :) as at my work they wanted to throw it away... So I put my hands on it and took it home its working as piece of cake... Greeting from UK a Hungarian test engineer...
I remember those, we used em at college like 20 years ago ...they were amazing back then lol
To fix the vertical adjustment make a groove at the end of the shaft (at the position of the pot) with a wire cutter. Then squeeze shaft through the pot (retain the pot with the screwdriver so it won't break off the board).
Beauty! always reliable Hameg oscilloscope
Oh, BTW the 'The Ball and Plate' experiment at university level is a control system that is programmed to balance a steel ball on a flat plate and then the plate moves to make the ball trace out various paths such as circles and the like. That is almost certainly what it was. For school pupils the ball and plate is a timed fall of a ball bearing onto a plate that opens a switch to enable one to determine g by free fall - hope that is of interest. Thanks for a great video!
There is something therapeutic about lifting socketed dips half way out with a bent regular screw driver and shoving them back in. There may even be a law requiring it for the 7400 and 7404.
Winner winner chicken...
It is not possibel to buy it in Germany for 90 buggs
Cleaning the panel switches and pots with contact cleaner is one of the easiest ways to bring old equipment back to calibration. My 70's vintage HP military scope was really bad. (quite a few marks off of scale for voltage) a little contact cleaner and the 40+ year old scope came back to near perfect. *Always* clean contact points before you start tweaking things and adjusting your tounge angle :P
I have got a Hameg HM-408 (similar vintage/construction, but a bit more bandwidth and a few more features). As far as serviceability is concerned; yes it uses mostly standard parts and the service manual is easily found, but these Hameg scopes are near impossible to take apart. It is not just a matter of unscrewing and unplugging but also desoldering wires to get where you need to be. If you need to do some work on one of the boards (especially the inner ones); good luck!
I like the Hameg scopes because most models have built in component testers. Not a bad inexpensive starter.
Nice video Dave, Used Hamegs and Gold (Or is it Gould) at college way back in the early eighties. Those Hamegs back then were Dark grey outer with Lighter fascias. Bandwidth was similar though.
You got a gooden there I think. A little work but worth it, great scope for a beginner....
I used that things in school and university, that was in the 90s. ;) Kind of nostalgic feelings come up. But I remember that none of them looked so clean and tidied. :D Congrats on that bargain!
Love it, i actually decided from this video, i will get an analog scope, i like it much better this is way better than low end digital scope. Your price is ridiculously low though, impossible to find except with seller without a clue which is very rare.
Looking at the mechanical interfaces coupled with all the through board components and socketing, explains why oscilloscopes were so expensive historically.
this is really an oldie but a goody!!! love it!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks Dave!
Great job Dave, amazing video! Oscilloscopes are pretty awesome!
30:30 watch out for them "MILF Caps"
Thank you SO much for that tidbit of information - you are, in fact, a savior. Cheers! Now the guy I've been talking to might be less reluctant to give the repairs a stab, with a service manual.
That's a great find imho. I've not encountered the component tester before, though I did try to build one as an accessory.
"we get ourselves a letter, the letter P for... platypus ! " i chuckled
The cheepest osciloscope I can buy in my country is cca 70€ maybe for de 70€ a tube 5mHz one from the 60's and with a extra small screen...
Best affordable scope of all time IMO. I have used several of these over the years in a physics lab and was gutted when they discontinued it
Nice Video.
Just bought a fully working 100 mhz Legend LBO-516 ( made in Japan ) analog scope for 125$. Came with 2 probes and both user and service manuals. Does not seem quite as much of a good deal as this one but im still happy. :)
It is my first scope .
The vertical amplifiers seem to work. You can get a dot centered. I'd lean heavily on the front end amplification. Probably got hit with an overvoltage and blew out some transistors.
Had a hameg 204 not in good shape which my father got for free from a former work place, and it was part of my introduction to scopes, but we ended up getting a hp 54501A and like it a lot
When working on these old scopes, how do you use a Variac and an isolation transformer? Do you hook them together or do you use each one separately hooked into the 120VAC power line? Or, do you even need a Variac and an isolation transformer? I would think the Variac is handy in case an unknown condition scope had a major short that you wouldn't want to apply full line voltage to. Is an isolation transformer handy or necessary when working on the old scopes? I'll be working on old Tek 465 scopes.
yeah no problem. the current Hameg distributor in my country (NL) also stocks parts for the old models. In fact, the parts were quite cheap (I also included a few buttons and knob caps etc) but they did charge me a premium for small order costs. In total I had the thing running with 100% original parts for under 50€
I bought an old philips PM3217 for 10€ at school. I could tested it and it works well. I was lucky. I just asked the teacher if he have an old one which he doesn't need.
Oreganodealer LS OG I've still got a Phillips PM327 50 MHz scope in my lab 👍
Hi Dave,
one thing is for sure, the Hameg is a real thing of beauty and a joy forever :-) I have a HM 203-4.
All the best from Germany,
Ralf
I had a panasonic vp-5710a 4-channel scope that I sold for next to nothing. It was broken and was sitting on a shelf so I just couldn't be bothered to try and repair it. I couldn't even find a user manual for it... I am actually kind of regretting it now, it was the most heavily features packed scope I've ever seen.
And I was watching this with my Hameg ! Great Video Dave
Probably the most enjoyable Oscilliscope video I've seen from you yet. Would have been nice to also show what you were doing with the signal generator, but no big deal there really, and definetly a thumbs up for this one! Great fun seeing what you can produce on the screen, now I want one.
Old stamping ground indeed, when I was there (1978) the labs were in 'Building A'. 100 years old I reckon. No storage CROs back then.
On a side note, one thing the UTS building is good for is navigation!! When I was in high school and caught the train to the city, I could always find central station again.. head for UTS!! you can see it from almost anywhere!
Super video Dave, great content and very entertaining.
No complaints. Good score on the auction.
Thanks for the teardown Dave. I love seeing German design but they are usually a pain to work on when they finally break. To be fair, this was a malfunctioning scope for $19. A beginner has no business cracking open a mains powered device in my opinion. The $50 to $100 range is more realistic for an older working model.
For $19 this was a steal, Dave! I paid $45 for a model very similar in spec to this one about a year ago.
On that vernier issue - I kept shouting at my screen - "Check the set screw ... isn't that black thing a set screw???" LOL !! Did you ever check that out? Did it fix it by just tightening the set screw onto the shaft ??
36:20 Never probe these higher voltages with two hands as Dave is doing here; probe one handed with your other hand in your pocket. A gator clip for the ground probe really helps here.
Last time I was in the electronics field back in the early 1990s, a oscope for less than $200 was a steal. One like this one minus the digital, would cost $250 - 300 all day long.
Only person i know that WANTS an scope that does not work! I love it!!!
Nice. You did do quite a few fixes to the scope than you realised: button, fuse, knots, etc.
I can't find any cheap scopes here in the US. Everything is at least $150.00 "untested" (which means they tested it and it didn't work). Guess I'll be buying one of those cheap nano pocket scopes.
Dave say's "they're a scam" but IDK, how is yours holding up?
I'm a bit late, but try checking the website auctionzip to find local auctions. Every once and awhile you will see the motherlode of electronics show up.
tehsma So it's just a waiting game?
Well, I suppose it depends on your location. Around here, you don't see so many local electronics auctions. Near some heavy technology center, I bet you would get more hits. Oh, and worth mentioning- if you are in Arizona, check out the Los Alamos National Labs Auction (Bentley & Associates). We're talking pallets of test equipment. hundreds and hundreds of oscilloscopes. Unbelievable amount of stuff.
I buyed one in Spain for €650 around 1985, today it work fine.