Transparency Update: The folks at Air Seat responded and told me to keep the product at no charge. Incentives are an important consideration when critically assessing reviews on social media. They also said "Air Seat ride with you to the end of the cliff, haha". I suspect that is supporting that it is a long lasting product, and not advising me to take up stunt cycling.
@@overbikedrandonneuring Seems like a solid brand the stands behind their product. I hope this gets more attention because it seems like an actual unique and innovative product too. There's nothing like it. The rest are just more costly suspension seatposts.
Thanks for the review. Yours is the 1st one I've seen on YT. I got this last year and it was a great addition to my rigid 26er ATB. Was always searching for ways to make my ride more comfortable for my aging body and the Air Seat definitely helped. I've since bought a FS bike and gave the ATB to my son for commuting duties while he's off to college.
Interesting gadget. I put a ShockStop suspension post on my bike a few years ago and loved it. Then I got a new bike but it had a proprietary seat post that did not accommodate the ShockStop. It took a bit of engineering to get it fitted but I managed it after several months of thinking of how to make it work. The benefit of the airseat is that it fits straight onto any post.
My thought exactly. I'll probably keep my Shockstop Pro on my current bike, but it really opens up future frame option to have the Air Seat. What bike did you have that didn't fit the Shockstop, and how to you make it work? I'd love to hear more about this problem solving.
Holy Rube Goldberg!!!! What a great contraption!!! But…where do you put the marble that rolls down ramp when somebody knocks on the door, that scares the mouse nibbling on the cheese which wakes the cat with a tin can on its tail that races after it, causing the dog at your bedside to jump up and start barking to beat the band which wakes you up to answer the door???? p.s.-thanks for that great up-skirt shot of your keester that only your Proctologist was privy to before. That answer a lot of questions.😅😅😅 Jes kidding-good post. But…strong pass on the gizmo. I’d rather stand on the pedals from time to time-like over curbs and speed bumps. Jes give her a little bunny hop.
I also have an air seat and the aesthetic is definitely an acquired taste but it has grown on me over the last month or so of usage. It has really made my ride experience a whole lot more comfortable I will say. I was a little skeptical at first but it really is comfy.
Thanks! Testing the Air Seat has been a great way to ensure I get out on the bike. I can do up to 3 hour rides now, but it takes a few days rest before my neck ready to go again.
I might like this for my touring bike. I wonder how long it would take for play to develop in the pivots. And if it's serviceable when that time comes.
I haven't had it long enough to speak on that. They do not recommend taking it apart, probably due to the rear spring tension being quite high. Surely a risk of eye/face injury. The front springs are held in place with simple grub screws. Bolts and brass bushing make up the rear assembly. I'm sure an intrepid tinkerer could service it with some fresh bushing for ~$10. But at $49 for the 35, and $99 for the 25 models, most people will just replace.
I'm surprised to see commenters saying it's just as good to get a thick gel saddle. That's a terrible idea. Thick padding compresses more soft tissue, pinches nerves and can cause leg and foot pain or numbness. The beauty if this device is it allows you to use the saddle that interfaces best with your sit bones, which is rarely, if ever, the softest saddle available. As for looks, why is that even important?
That is my perspective as well. Ergonomics and vibration isolation are two very different comfort functions. 'Comfort' seats are rarely useful for demanding riding. I get people want their bike to look nice for their own enjoyment and to present well to others though. Road cycling and classic bike enthusiasts have particular aesthetic norms that get rewarded. The Air Seat especially stands out as a classic Fred gadget, which comes with a lot of negative connotations. It was designed in Taiwan and sells well here in Korea where those aesthetic notions are less entrenched. To me, bikes for ultra distance events are tools. I want my tool to be the best it possibly can be, and a future build may require the Air Seat to achieve that goal. If that makes me a Fred, so be it.
@@overbikedrandonneuringGood points. And for some, the looks will be an upside as it's sure to be a conversation starter. I get approached by a lot of strangers when I'm out solo loaded touring. Such a contraption would surely be a conversation piece in a positive sense.
Not bad for a first version of this product. Surely future versions will look more compact and integrated with the seat post. I just did a 100k yesterday and today my butt is very sore so if this product delivers its promise to reduce the pain in that area, I would for sure get one! Another issue is that I have wanted to get aerobars for a while, but I have seen that your posture needs to compromise between the aero and regular positions. It would be nice if the saddle had some sort of pivot or rotation that complies downwards when you lean into the aeroposition. Then it will be a game changer! It looks bulky but whatever, I'll use the extra space to place bars/gels for my long rides.
I'm quite impressed, but there is no guarantee it will help with an aero bar setup. It would theoretically be possible to add the Air Seat to the Redshift dual position seatpost, but that would be quite heavy and the added height may add extra stress to the pivots on the Redshift. You might enjoy my video on aero bars that goes over those fine details of a proper setup for road bikes. I may end up needing a custom frame to get the position just right. Time to save up!
I have kinekt seat posts in use for this purpose, they work very well. But the disadvantage is that I can't combine them with a dropper post. A fully separated suspension like this product seems a very interesting solution to me.
The biggest advantage IMO seems to be the fact that you can use a proprietary seatpost AND this. I use aero bars and ride in a fairly extreme midfoot position, both of which necessitate a fairly steep effective seatpost angle (similar to a TT bike). I say “effective” because usually with most bikes, I compensate for a fairly slack seatpost angle by moving the saddle as far forward as possible. I’ve even used different saddles with extra long rails and offset seatposts backwards to get the position I want. The redshift shockstop seatpost exacerbates this issue by enforcing 12mm of backwards offset. I don’t think it would be as effective if used backwards. Here, if I were to use this Airseat, it would be possible to continue to use an offset seatpost backwards.
Exactly! And so many bikes these days use proprietary seat posts. Thanks for not just commenting on it's looks haha. I get best aero bar performance with the Redshift Shockstop post using an ISM saddle since it moves the sit position very far forward and opens the hips. Still have to slam it forward. It's not my favorite saddle for on the hoods though. The Air Seat opens a lot of possibilities for frame choice while still getting a comfy ride.
@@overbikedrandonneuring I've long considered getting an ISM saddle, but I'm not sure that it would give me much more of a forward position than my standard SQLab 612. I've tried the Cobb Randee and that didn't give me more and it was also not that comfortable. I'm surprised they don't make some type of saddle rail extender to make steep seat tube angles possible. Two questions: 1. Have you tried the SQLab 613? I'm holding out hope that this will be the saddle that gives me enough forward positioning. The saddle seems to have your sit bones positioned in the *middle* of the rails, which seems like it might offer a ton of forward positioning. 2. Have you tried the new Redshift Shockstop Endurance Pro? It seems like it combines the Pro's use of hybrid elastomer/spring and lightweight with the old endurance's long travel. I just bought it for my folding rando bike and the capacity to reduce larger hits is pretty great. I'm not usre how it compares to the Shockstop Race Pro.
@@rdx913 I've not tried a Cobb nor SQ Labs saddle before, but the obtuse angle the 613 has from the nose to the rear is something I try to avoid. Looks can always deceive though. The other tri saddle I use at the moment is the Syncros Belcarra Tri Cutout V2. It results in a rather standard seated fore-aft position, whereas the ISM certainly moves the seated position forward a few cm. Aside from having a bit longer rail, the ISM target position is centered near where the saddle rail curves upwards at the front, so quite forward. I enjoy the ISM and Syncros as they both allow a decent amount of for-aft movement on the saddle while providing a wide enough nose for aero bar use. The Syncros shape is a bit nicer for me riding off the aero bars. When it first came out, used the Redshift dual position seatpost (~2015?). It was kind of a nuisance to pull forward all the time and rode very stiff, but did give a nice forward position. I only have the old Pro seatpost which I think is 2 elastomers and no springs and no adjustability. The Pro Endurance looks to be quite adjustable and have extra 15mm travel, so you should be able to fine tune the spring rate to suite your preferences. I think it's 70grams or so for the added travel and adjustability. I'm quite happy with the older Pro though. The spring rate is perfect and I never need more travel for road riding. The weight is at the upper limit of acceptable. Solving for the effective seat angle problem when using aero bars has been on my mind a lot lately. Custom titanium is an option, and just use a 76* STA. Newer gravel frames may be useful too though. The new Silex has a 74.5* STA and 27.2mm hole, and would just need to be sized down for the correct reach. The Crux is at 74*, which is a minor improvement over 73*. .
@@overbikedrandonneuring thank you for this generous response Re: STA, I too have thought about getting a waltly primarily for this reason. It’s nearly impossible on my folding bike though, so for this reason I am stuck with odd offset seatposts (backwards) and saddles with long rails. One somewhat unorthodox (and likely marginal) solution may be to use an angle headset to slacken the head tube angle and the whole bike falls slightly more forward, slightly steepening the STA. Can you say more about the angle of the SQLab saddle and why you avoid it? The other saddle I’m considering all the Selle SMP saddles. I think they sort of lock you in (not much fore aft movement) but could allow for a more forward position.
@rdx913 Cheers, I like to chat bike stuff so always happy to get into the weeds. I used to have a custom Ti gravel bike that included a custom length fork. I designed it to have typical HTA, STA, and BB drop with the Ti fork and wider road tires, but get more slack and higher BB when swapping to a suspension fork and MTB tires to better reflect conditions. The Ti fork was too noodly despite weighing a kilo sadly, so it lived its life with a Lauf. The HTA adjuster will only help a tiny bit sadly. The SQLab 613 has a very short nose that quickly widens towards the rear versus something like the ISM or Syncros with long noses and more gradual tapering. This typically forces a single position, which is fine if it works. When using road saddles with a similar concept like the Giant Fleet or other Specialized Power clones, either a muscle or tendon of my inner thigh rubs the wide rear or I am forced to sit too far forward and don't get enough support due to narrowing of the nose. My SLR Boost avoids this issue, just barely, and is quite nice as a result. The SQL 316 has a little divot most visible in the rear 3/4 view on their website which would address that issue. You can see a bit of a cradle appearance from than angle, which may function similarly to the general Selle SMP concept. The 316 may well be a successful implementation of the nacho chip-shaped saddle, but I will avoid buying that shape without trying it out first. I really want to try a few SMP models. They look well designed and well made.
Haha, thanks for the recommendation. This might be the most expensive video I've made if I buy a new frame because of the Air Seat works on proprietary seat posts. Great find!
How long are the bottom rails that go on your original seatpost? Does not look like they would allow a lot of longitudinal adjustment (which the top rails should not be used for, as you explained).
40mm long clamp on my alloy seat post, 50mm on my carbon seat post, and the Air Seat has 57mm of railing to clamp to. Thanks for asking, because I just noticed that because the Air Seat centers the saddle vertically above the clamp, the setback caused by seat tube angle is reduced. Saddles end up about 8-9mm forward their normal position.
@@overbikedrandonneuring Thank you for the measurements! So as a result, it seems preferable to use a seatpost that has a narrow clamping area so you can compensate for the 8..9 millimeter setback caused by the Air Seat itself (right?)
@@timoe2469 Yeah, the Air Seat moves the saddle forward 8-9mm (not cm, sorry for the typo) so a narrow seat post clamp can help mitigate that. It may reduce reach which can be good for very long rides. That would be another reason it would be a great temporary solution for race bikes to be used on ultra distance rides.
@ericwade7124 in theory it could be added. The result would be a spring-in-series situation. The lower pivot of the thudbuster may be exposed to higher lateral forces than it was intended to see due to the extra leverage of the Air Seat added height. Unsure if it would be enough to cause problems though
Haha, I edited out a line that went 'Like we learned with the Vecnum stem, amazing performance can be achieved if you abandon aesthetics". Perhaps it wins the 'Miss Congeniality' award. As a tool, the Air Seat does really well at performance/price/weight. Maybe I can sew up a fabric cover like they sell for equally ugly Thudbusters. I've found comfort seats rarely offer suitable shapes for my riding position and are especially bad for aero bar use. I tried to force the B17 to work for over a year to no avail back in my BQ phase. Wish I kept it around for the Brompton though. Saddle shape and padding choice for ergonomics is a great reason to use seat posts or this Air Seat for adding comfort. The sprung B67 is also 850 grams, which is wildly heavy.
Maybe for the Brompton. I'd used a B17 for over a year as my primary saddle on multiple bikes a while back. It was way better than the Fizik Arione and its clones popular in that era. Loved the texture, didn't get along with the shape or tension-as-support at any point in its life span. I kept using it hoping it would finally click, but it never did. Most of my randonneuring friends have also extensively used and given up on Brooks. Saddle designs have improved a lot in the last 10 years. But if it works for you, keep it up. Minimalist suspension like the Air Seat or Redshift Shockstop Pro seatpost allow the comfortable use of any saddle shape and padding level best for ergonomics.
@overbikedrandonneuring Try their sprung versions like the B67 or even better their triple spring versions. They give lateral movement, which reduces pressure and chafing and the need for padded pants. That air seat thing is not going to work because racing seats are designed to be ridgid.
Thanks for sharing. I don't have long term mileage on mine yet. How was the after-sale service? Were the conditions in which it broke abnormal in any way, or just typical use?
Just buy a saddle with thicker padding or built-in buffers or springs or a suspension seatpost - have been around for decades and montage is as simple as any other saddle/post. No need for shit-ugly, over-complicated mechanisms.
The reason I chose to review the Air Seat is that it solves the problem of seat comfort in a way that allows free choice of saddle shape and padding level for best ergonomics like a suspension seat post, but doesn't require a round seatpost hole. 'Comfort' saddle have awful ergonomics for most road riding positions, and more and more bikes sold use proprietary shaped seat posts and don't allow the use of a Redshift/Canyon/Cane Creek. My current bike will likely move forward with the Redshift Shockstop Pro, but I am happy to know I can use any frame for my next build because I have an Air Seat.
Very interesting! I think for gravel riding, a Redshift Shockstop is still a better option, even with that increase of price. A little more tuned for those larger bumps while still soaking the vibration. But I'm most interested in how this one has seemingly more overall compatibility on top of being affordable; I actually have a bike with a dropper post that I've kinda wished also had a bit of suspension too, and this is the only option I know of that would potentially work _with_ a dropper. (if I'm not mistaken there are also droppers with their own suspension, but those would be vertical travel only.)
Agreed, the extra travel of the Redshift Endurance or even a Thudbuster would be better for gravel. I can't think of other options for a dropper post that allows free saddle choice. Just need to be sure you have 3cm of seat post insertion available.
@@overbikedrandonneuring I do happen to have just that combination on a hardtail mountain bike I occasionally also use for commuting; it's an 80mm travel dropper that's actually pretty much maxed out to get to the correct height, so adding 3mm to it would be a help rather then a hindrance! I'm not really convinced I would _need_ any extra cushioning there, but that bike has a lot of weird experiments on it already, so I'm tempted to try just one more :P
For context, this channel is related to ultra distance road cycling like randonneuring, where target rides start at 200km and only go up from there. Insulation from vibration is important to reduce accumulated fatigue over 20+ hours in the saddle, but we still want an otherwise fast setup. Tools like this gives loads of comfort, equivalent to dropping 20 PSI from the tires according to my tests. You should check out your local Audax/Randonneuring club for a 200, 300, or maybe a 600km ride. Then revisit who should receive the clown emoji.
@@b2yes my channel here is focused on ultra distance cycling, so tools we use will not match the aesthetic of a crit bike or pro tour bike. A comfy bum is much more valuable than aesthetics after 16 hours in the saddle.
Transparency Update: The folks at Air Seat responded and told me to keep the product at no charge. Incentives are an important consideration when critically assessing reviews on social media. They also said "Air Seat ride with you to the end of the cliff, haha". I suspect that is supporting that it is a long lasting product, and not advising me to take up stunt cycling.
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@@kontakonte2385 Air Seat. You can find distributors to your country here or email the company directly: airseatliyida.com/en/home/
@@overbikedrandonneuring Seems like a solid brand the stands behind their product. I hope this gets more attention because it seems like an actual unique and innovative product too. There's nothing like it. The rest are just more costly suspension seatposts.
Thanks for the review. Yours is the 1st one I've seen on YT.
I got this last year and it was a great addition to my rigid 26er ATB. Was always searching for ways to make my ride more comfortable for my aging body and the Air Seat definitely helped.
I've since bought a FS bike and gave the ATB to my son for commuting duties while he's off to college.
Interesting gadget. I put a ShockStop suspension post on my bike a few years ago and loved it. Then I got a new bike but it had a proprietary seat post that did not accommodate the ShockStop. It took a bit of engineering to get it fitted but I managed it after several months of thinking of how to make it work. The benefit of the airseat is that it fits straight onto any post.
My thought exactly. I'll probably keep my Shockstop Pro on my current bike, but it really opens up future frame option to have the Air Seat. What bike did you have that didn't fit the Shockstop, and how to you make it work? I'd love to hear more about this problem solving.
Looks like a good product, much better than a seat pad and lighter than some sprung saddles Thanks for posting your views.
Holy Rube Goldberg!!!!
What a great contraption!!!
But…where do you put the marble that rolls down ramp when somebody knocks on the door, that scares the mouse nibbling on the cheese which wakes the cat with a tin can on its tail that races after it, causing the dog at your bedside to jump up and start barking to beat the band which wakes you up to answer the door????
p.s.-thanks for that great up-skirt shot of your keester that only your Proctologist was privy to before. That answer a lot of questions.😅😅😅
Jes kidding-good post. But…strong pass on the gizmo. I’d rather stand on the pedals from time to time-like over curbs and speed bumps.
Jes give her a little bunny hop.
I also have an air seat and the aesthetic is definitely an acquired taste but it has grown on me over the last month or so of usage. It has really made my ride experience a whole lot more comfortable I will say. I was a little skeptical at first but it really is comfy.
Interesting product! I hadn't heard of it. Thank you for making me aware of it.
Looks like your neck got better, nice! The Airseat is very tempting, but looks are a bit of an issue 😅
Thanks! Testing the Air Seat has been a great way to ensure I get out on the bike. I can do up to 3 hour rides now, but it takes a few days rest before my neck ready to go again.
I might like this for my touring bike. I wonder how long it would take for play to develop in the pivots. And if it's serviceable when that time comes.
I haven't had it long enough to speak on that. They do not recommend taking it apart, probably due to the rear spring tension being quite high. Surely a risk of eye/face injury. The front springs are held in place with simple grub screws. Bolts and brass bushing make up the rear assembly.
I'm sure an intrepid tinkerer could service it with some fresh bushing for ~$10. But at $49 for the 35, and $99 for the 25 models, most people will just replace.
I'm surprised to see commenters saying it's just as good to get a thick gel saddle. That's a terrible idea. Thick padding compresses more soft tissue, pinches nerves and can cause leg and foot pain or numbness. The beauty if this device is it allows you to use the saddle that interfaces best with your sit bones, which is rarely, if ever, the softest saddle available. As for looks, why is that even important?
That is my perspective as well. Ergonomics and vibration isolation are two very different comfort functions. 'Comfort' seats are rarely useful for demanding riding.
I get people want their bike to look nice for their own enjoyment and to present well to others though. Road cycling and classic bike enthusiasts have particular aesthetic norms that get rewarded. The Air Seat especially stands out as a classic Fred gadget, which comes with a lot of negative connotations. It was designed in Taiwan and sells well here in Korea where those aesthetic notions are less entrenched.
To me, bikes for ultra distance events are tools. I want my tool to be the best it possibly can be, and a future build may require the Air Seat to achieve that goal. If that makes me a Fred, so be it.
@@overbikedrandonneuringGood points. And for some, the looks will be an upside as it's sure to be a conversation starter. I get approached by a lot of strangers when I'm out solo loaded touring. Such a contraption would surely be a conversation piece in a positive sense.
Not bad for a first version of this product. Surely future versions will look more compact and integrated with the seat post.
I just did a 100k yesterday and today my butt is very sore so if this product delivers its promise to reduce the pain in that area, I would for sure get one!
Another issue is that I have wanted to get aerobars for a while, but I have seen that your posture needs to compromise between the aero and regular positions.
It would be nice if the saddle had some sort of pivot or rotation that complies downwards when you lean into the aeroposition.
Then it will be a game changer!
It looks bulky but whatever, I'll use the extra space to place bars/gels for my long rides.
I'm quite impressed, but there is no guarantee it will help with an aero bar setup. It would theoretically be possible to add the Air Seat to the Redshift dual position seatpost, but that would be quite heavy and the added height may add extra stress to the pivots on the Redshift.
You might enjoy my video on aero bars that goes over those fine details of a proper setup for road bikes. I may end up needing a custom frame to get the position just right. Time to save up!
I have kinekt seat posts in use for this purpose, they work very well.
But the disadvantage is that I can't combine them with a dropper post.
A fully separated suspension like this product seems a very interesting solution to me.
The biggest advantage IMO seems to be the fact that you can use a proprietary seatpost AND this. I use aero bars and ride in a fairly extreme midfoot position, both of which necessitate a fairly steep effective seatpost angle (similar to a TT bike). I say “effective” because usually with most bikes, I compensate for a fairly slack seatpost angle by moving the saddle as far forward as possible. I’ve even used different saddles with extra long rails and offset seatposts backwards to get the position I want.
The redshift shockstop seatpost exacerbates this issue by enforcing 12mm of backwards offset. I don’t think it would be as effective if used backwards. Here, if I were to use this Airseat, it would be possible to continue to use an offset seatpost backwards.
Exactly! And so many bikes these days use proprietary seat posts. Thanks for not just commenting on it's looks haha.
I get best aero bar performance with the Redshift Shockstop post using an ISM saddle since it moves the sit position very far forward and opens the hips. Still have to slam it forward. It's not my favorite saddle for on the hoods though.
The Air Seat opens a lot of possibilities for frame choice while still getting a comfy ride.
@@overbikedrandonneuring I've long considered getting an ISM saddle, but I'm not sure that it would give me much more of a forward position than my standard SQLab 612. I've tried the Cobb Randee and that didn't give me more and it was also not that comfortable.
I'm surprised they don't make some type of saddle rail extender to make steep seat tube angles possible.
Two questions:
1. Have you tried the SQLab 613? I'm holding out hope that this will be the saddle that gives me enough forward positioning. The saddle seems to have your sit bones positioned in the *middle* of the rails, which seems like it might offer a ton of forward positioning.
2. Have you tried the new Redshift Shockstop Endurance Pro? It seems like it combines the Pro's use of hybrid elastomer/spring and lightweight with the old endurance's long travel. I just bought it for my folding rando bike and the capacity to reduce larger hits is pretty great. I'm not usre how it compares to the Shockstop Race Pro.
@@rdx913 I've not tried a Cobb nor SQ Labs saddle before, but the obtuse angle the 613 has from the nose to the rear is something I try to avoid. Looks can always deceive though.
The other tri saddle I use at the moment is the Syncros Belcarra Tri Cutout V2. It results in a rather standard seated fore-aft position, whereas the ISM certainly moves the seated position forward a few cm. Aside from having a bit longer rail, the ISM target position is centered near where the saddle rail curves upwards at the front, so quite forward. I enjoy the ISM and Syncros as they both allow a decent amount of for-aft movement on the saddle while providing a wide enough nose for aero bar use. The Syncros shape is a bit nicer for me riding off the aero bars. When it first came out, used the Redshift dual position seatpost (~2015?). It was kind of a nuisance to pull forward all the time and rode very stiff, but did give a nice forward position.
I only have the old Pro seatpost which I think is 2 elastomers and no springs and no adjustability. The Pro Endurance looks to be quite adjustable and have extra 15mm travel, so you should be able to fine tune the spring rate to suite your preferences. I think it's 70grams or so for the added travel and adjustability. I'm quite happy with the older Pro though. The spring rate is perfect and I never need more travel for road riding. The weight is at the upper limit of acceptable.
Solving for the effective seat angle problem when using aero bars has been on my mind a lot lately. Custom titanium is an option, and just use a 76* STA. Newer gravel frames may be useful too though. The new Silex has a 74.5* STA and 27.2mm hole, and would just need to be sized down for the correct reach. The Crux is at 74*, which is a minor improvement over 73*. .
@@overbikedrandonneuring thank you for this generous response
Re: STA, I too have thought about getting a waltly primarily for this reason. It’s nearly impossible on my folding bike though, so for this reason I am stuck with odd offset seatposts (backwards) and saddles with long rails.
One somewhat unorthodox (and likely marginal) solution may be to use an angle headset to slacken the head tube angle and the whole bike falls slightly more forward, slightly steepening the STA.
Can you say more about the angle of the SQLab saddle and why you avoid it?
The other saddle I’m considering all the Selle SMP saddles. I think they sort of lock you in (not much fore aft movement) but could allow for a more forward position.
@rdx913 Cheers, I like to chat bike stuff so always happy to get into the weeds. I used to have a custom Ti gravel bike that included a custom length fork. I designed it to have typical HTA, STA, and BB drop with the Ti fork and wider road tires, but get more slack and higher BB when swapping to a suspension fork and MTB tires to better reflect conditions. The Ti fork was too noodly despite weighing a kilo sadly, so it lived its life with a Lauf. The HTA adjuster will only help a tiny bit sadly.
The SQLab 613 has a very short nose that quickly widens towards the rear versus something like the ISM or Syncros with long noses and more gradual tapering. This typically forces a single position, which is fine if it works. When using road saddles with a similar concept like the Giant Fleet or other Specialized Power clones, either a muscle or tendon of my inner thigh rubs the wide rear or I am forced to sit too far forward and don't get enough support due to narrowing of the nose. My SLR Boost avoids this issue, just barely, and is quite nice as a result. The SQL 316 has a little divot most visible in the rear 3/4 view on their website which would address that issue. You can see a bit of a cradle appearance from than angle, which may function similarly to the general Selle SMP concept. The 316 may well be a successful implementation of the nacho chip-shaped saddle, but I will avoid buying that shape without trying it out first.
I really want to try a few SMP models. They look well designed and well made.
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Two weeks too late i just bought a suspension seatpost
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Haha, thanks for the recommendation. This might be the most expensive video I've made if I buy a new frame because of the Air Seat works on proprietary seat posts. Great find!
@@overbikedrandonneuring you're welcome! Your data helps out a lot! Hope you have a quick recovery! Much support from the Philippines :D
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@@einundsiebenziger5488 no, i use it in Germany and fuck of:)
How long are the bottom rails that go on your original seatpost? Does not look like they would allow a lot of longitudinal adjustment (which the top rails should not be used for, as you explained).
40mm long clamp on my alloy seat post, 50mm on my carbon seat post, and the Air Seat has 57mm of railing to clamp to.
Thanks for asking, because I just noticed that because the Air Seat centers the saddle vertically above the clamp, the setback caused by seat tube angle is reduced. Saddles end up about 8-9mm forward their normal position.
@@overbikedrandonneuring Thank you for the measurements! So as a result, it seems preferable to use a seatpost that has a narrow clamping area so you can compensate for the 8..9 millimeter setback caused by the Air Seat itself (right?)
@@timoe2469 Yeah, the Air Seat moves the saddle forward 8-9mm (not cm, sorry for the typo) so a narrow seat post clamp can help mitigate that. It may reduce reach which can be good for very long rides. That would be another reason it would be a great temporary solution for race bikes to be used on ultra distance rides.
I have bad back pain. Could this be used also with a Thudbuster installed?
@ericwade7124 in theory it could be added. The result would be a spring-in-series situation. The lower pivot of the thudbuster may be exposed to higher lateral forces than it was intended to see due to the extra leverage of the Air Seat added height. Unsure if it would be enough to cause problems though
@@overbikedrandonneuring Ok. I might give it a go. Thanks.
@@ericwade7124 did you end up trying it? how did it go?
Just buy a dropper post. Within a few months all mine develop "travel" akin to suspension. Finally gave up and put a fixed seatpost back on.
Ooph, that sounds like a frustrating experiment.
I need one too bro.
id think id rather keep my 1993 Softride Powercurve
Jealous! I would love to see Softride make a comeback.
can't they just make the saddle wires thinner and act like suspension?
The catch is it looks cr@p 🤣🤣🤣
unconventionally attractive 😇
Should not be an issue during the ride 😊. And looking on the bright side, your bike is much less likely to get stolen 😅
@@timoe2469 🤣
gosh 300gr each, thats a heavy one.
WTF? 😅 1. Of April? What the heck… never ever. 😅😂
It's a pity Selle Italia stopped making the Turbomatic Gel Flow saddle.. Most comfortable saddle I've ever used, like floating
Sorry, but I think it's butt ugly though. I'd rather look at an "old school" spring saddle (like Brooks makes them)
Haha, I edited out a line that went 'Like we learned with the Vecnum stem, amazing performance can be achieved if you abandon aesthetics". Perhaps it wins the 'Miss Congeniality' award. As a tool, the Air Seat does really well at performance/price/weight. Maybe I can sew up a fabric cover like they sell for equally ugly Thudbusters.
I've found comfort seats rarely offer suitable shapes for my riding position and are especially bad for aero bar use. I tried to force the B17 to work for over a year to no avail back in my BQ phase. Wish I kept it around for the Brompton though. Saddle shape and padding choice for ergonomics is a great reason to use seat posts or this Air Seat for adding comfort. The sprung B67 is also 850 grams, which is wildly heavy.
Just buy a Brooks.
Maybe for the Brompton. I'd used a B17 for over a year as my primary saddle on multiple bikes a while back. It was way better than the Fizik Arione and its clones popular in that era. Loved the texture, didn't get along with the shape or tension-as-support at any point in its life span. I kept using it hoping it would finally click, but it never did. Most of my randonneuring friends have also extensively used and given up on Brooks. Saddle designs have improved a lot in the last 10 years. But if it works for you, keep it up.
Minimalist suspension like the Air Seat or Redshift Shockstop Pro seatpost allow the comfortable use of any saddle shape and padding level best for ergonomics.
@overbikedrandonneuring Try their sprung versions like the B67 or even better their triple spring versions. They give lateral movement, which reduces pressure and chafing and the need for padded pants. That air seat thing is not going to work because racing seats are designed to be ridgid.
Brooks saddle but in ugly
Be careful with this brand. The front structure bar broke on mine.
Thanks for sharing. I don't have long term mileage on mine yet. How was the after-sale service? Were the conditions in which it broke abnormal in any way, or just typical use?
Had to check the date was not April 1 what a waste of money .
Looks a bit ugly.....if you want a more comfortable ride just get a thicker Gel seat....they are cheap too.
Just buy a saddle with thicker padding or built-in buffers or springs or a suspension seatpost - have been around for decades and montage is as simple as any other saddle/post. No need for shit-ugly, over-complicated mechanisms.
The reason I chose to review the Air Seat is that it solves the problem of seat comfort in a way that allows free choice of saddle shape and padding level for best ergonomics like a suspension seat post, but doesn't require a round seatpost hole. 'Comfort' saddle have awful ergonomics for most road riding positions, and more and more bikes sold use proprietary shaped seat posts and don't allow the use of a Redshift/Canyon/Cane Creek. My current bike will likely move forward with the Redshift Shockstop Pro, but I am happy to know I can use any frame for my next build because I have an Air Seat.
Very interesting! I think for gravel riding, a Redshift Shockstop is still a better option, even with that increase of price. A little more tuned for those larger bumps while still soaking the vibration. But I'm most interested in how this one has seemingly more overall compatibility on top of being affordable; I actually have a bike with a dropper post that I've kinda wished also had a bit of suspension too, and this is the only option I know of that would potentially work _with_ a dropper. (if I'm not mistaken there are also droppers with their own suspension, but those would be vertical travel only.)
Agreed, the extra travel of the Redshift Endurance or even a Thudbuster would be better for gravel. I can't think of other options for a dropper post that allows free saddle choice. Just need to be sure you have 3cm of seat post insertion available.
@@overbikedrandonneuring I do happen to have just that combination on a hardtail mountain bike I occasionally also use for commuting; it's an 80mm travel dropper that's actually pretty much maxed out to get to the correct height, so adding 3mm to it would be a help rather then a hindrance! I'm not really convinced I would _need_ any extra cushioning there, but that bike has a lot of weird experiments on it already, so I'm tempted to try just one more :P
Seriously??? 🤡🌎🤦♂️
For context, this channel is related to ultra distance road cycling like randonneuring, where target rides start at 200km and only go up from there. Insulation from vibration is important to reduce accumulated fatigue over 20+ hours in the saddle, but we still want an otherwise fast setup. Tools like this gives loads of comfort, equivalent to dropping 20 PSI from the tires according to my tests. You should check out your local Audax/Randonneuring club for a 200, 300, or maybe a 600km ride. Then revisit who should receive the clown emoji.
I would sorry to say this stuff can not make your bike looks professional.
@@b2yes my channel here is focused on ultra distance cycling, so tools we use will not match the aesthetic of a crit bike or pro tour bike. A comfy bum is much more valuable than aesthetics after 16 hours in the saddle.