Helmets are rare in the netherlands because speeds are moderate and the infrastructure is safe. Turns out, it's not bad equipment that kills you, it's bad infrastructure!
@justdev8965 depends on what you use it for, at this point in time a non electric UA will set you back about €2500 second hand. Electric about €4500-€6000 depending on model year and availability. Think about €300 per annum maintenance at a shop. What you get in return is flexibility and a reasonable price when sold. It is a hell of a lot than even a cheap second hand car, and that takes even more maintenance, insurance and petrol...
Just finished 2 1/2 weeks riding in Germany using a Bosch Motor, Dutch ebike with Shimano nexus 8 speed internal hub. If you ride in ECO it just sips the juice and shows something like 130km range with a relatively small battery. Obviously if you ride a higher level the range decreases. Rode up a mountain a 10% grade for 3 miles non stop. I was hot and sweaty, it was a workout but very doable. Just put in low gear (one) Turbo power level 3 of 4 and just kept pedaling. I’m 72 years old and could not have done this without an ebike. Loved this system. It is not a speed demon, but it works great. Did not miss the throttle. I highly recommend the Bosch motor with a Nexus 8 speed IGH. One other cool thing the brakes Magura hydraulic rim brakes. They rocked no problem on the decline. They are fantastic. The tires Schwalbe Marathon Plus. 22 rider no flats. I have Schwalbe Big Ben on my own have not had a flat the past 3 years, very good tires.
Hey Ryan, great review..hope you are enjoying your time there. Our family of 5 spent 2 weeks past July in Haarlem and explored all over from there via public transit and bikes of course! You are correct about Urban Arrows everywhere, it's like they are the Dutch equivalent of North America SUV. That trip was a real eye opener for us, can't wait to get back 🤙
You say you always wear a helmet in the US. But that is not true. In fact, you never wear a helmet in the US. That is, one of the most common injuries in US car crashes is traumatic brain injuries (TBI). And yet, I have yet to meet even the first American wearing a helmet in a car. Instead I only hear illogical and inconsistent excuses why you should not wear a helmet in a car. Why is that? What suddenly happened to the "safety first" excuse? It is all but forgotten when the conversation switches to cars. No consistency whatsoever.
The dutch people think: "Helmets are for sport. If you don't wear a helmet in your car, why would you on a bike ?" Yes, bikes are as safe as cars in the Netherlands.
Urban Arrow vs. Madsen Bike, which would you prefer? This, is a tough choice for us. On the one hand, the Madsen is a lot cheaper, normal chain & derailleur (cheaper and easier to replace). Madsen might be harder to balance. Thoughts?
I wasn't familiar with Madsen before - I guess I'd lean towards having the kiddos in front but on the other hand I'm a sucker for the most affordable thing that will get the job done.
A whole minute to cross that street? I’m lucky to get 12 seconds to run across a six lane stroad here in Ohio! The infrastructure they built since they decided to move away from a car-centric to a safe for people by design infrastructure is very family and kid friendly. Would be great if we’d move at least a bit in that direction. I hope you enjoy your trip!
Those counters are dynamic, so the speed at which they do the countdown might differ. A bit like the progress bar on a Windows computer. So, you don't get a minute to cross, the counter just starts at 60.
Great family, your a lucky man...The price of that bike is just obscene...As someone who welds and does metal fabrication on the regular, couldn't justify the cost...Although the design is very clever...My home made bikes have more battery, more power, more comfort, for a fraction of the cost, but, everyone is not willing to develop the skill sets required to do it yourself...
@@lb2791 you aren’t too sharp are you? Think about what he is really saying? 🤦🏻♂️ it’s ironic someone saying captain obvious is the clearly clueless one.
A little scary riding with a baby & young child (with no helmet). I know you had a disclaimer, but it's low profile is probably a little difficult for people in cars to see. Hmmmm :/
Notice how they were traveling on protected bike lanes separate from cars? That's the type of infrastructure they have in the Netherlands and why few people wear helmets, they also don't ride bikes particularly fast over there.
Hi there this bike looks great perfect for little ones I’d put a helmet on them if it was my family through that’s just me everyone does what they want in this world there’s nothing wrong with that it’s called freedom. When I was younger I rode race bike and I learned the hard way but if it was for my helmet I wouldent be here today.✌️
Jeff pretty much summed it up here. If we had it our way both kiddos would have had helmets on. Unfortunately traveling abroad it just wasn't easy (we only had the bike for a day and we just did a short ride)
Cars don't need to see you because you're not riding on the street together with cars in the netherlands. A helmet won't protect you from cars, good bike infrastructure will.
Helmets are rare in the netherlands because speeds are moderate and the infrastructure is safe. Turns out, it's not bad equipment that kills you, it's bad infrastructure!
not only bad infrastructure but also the ridiculously large SUV's that have blind spots all over.
It’s the SUV of bikes! Great car replacement for a lot of people.
Sure is!
A lot of people? A lot of people will not ever afford this.
@justdev8965 depends on what you use it for, at this point in time a non electric UA will set you back about €2500 second hand. Electric about €4500-€6000 depending on model year and availability.
Think about €300 per annum maintenance at a shop. What you get in return is flexibility and a reasonable price when sold. It is a hell of a lot than even a cheap second hand car, and that takes even more maintenance, insurance and petrol...
Just finished 2 1/2 weeks riding in Germany using a Bosch Motor, Dutch ebike with Shimano nexus 8 speed internal hub. If you ride in ECO it just sips the juice and shows something like 130km range with a relatively small battery. Obviously if you ride a higher level the range decreases.
Rode up a mountain a 10% grade for 3 miles non stop. I was hot and sweaty, it was a workout but very doable. Just put in low gear (one) Turbo power level 3 of 4 and just kept pedaling. I’m 72 years old and could not have done this without an ebike.
Loved this system. It is not a speed demon, but it works great. Did not miss the throttle.
I highly recommend the Bosch motor with a Nexus 8 speed IGH.
One other cool thing the brakes Magura hydraulic rim brakes. They rocked no problem on the decline. They are fantastic.
The tires Schwalbe Marathon Plus. 22 rider no flats.
I have Schwalbe Big Ben on my own have not had a flat the past 3 years, very good tires.
That sounds incredible. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Ryan, great review..hope you are enjoying your time there. Our family of 5 spent 2 weeks past July in Haarlem and explored all over from there via public transit and bikes of course! You are correct about Urban Arrows everywhere, it's like they are the Dutch equivalent of North America SUV. That trip was a real eye opener for us, can't wait to get back 🤙
Thanks Matthew - that's great! Glad you also enjoyed your trip and thanks for watching.
You say you always wear a helmet in the US.
But that is not true. In fact, you never wear a helmet in the US.
That is, one of the most common injuries in US car crashes is traumatic brain injuries (TBI).
And yet, I have yet to meet even the first American wearing a helmet in a car.
Instead I only hear illogical and inconsistent excuses why you should not wear a helmet in a car.
Why is that?
What suddenly happened to the "safety first" excuse?
It is all but forgotten when the conversation switches to cars. No consistency whatsoever.
The dutch people think: "Helmets are for sport. If you don't wear a helmet in your car, why would you on a bike ?"
Yes, bikes are as safe as cars in the Netherlands.
Different perspective for sure. Thanks for watching!
Its the best out there if you talk about the Cargo model and hauling stuff.
We’re looking for a new city to live in. I’m now pitching Rotterdam to the wife and looking up immigration rules. Wow it’s a great bike and city
We really enjoyed it there. Not as busy as Amsterdam which is nice. I also really enjoyed Utrecht, a bit more of a quant than Rotterdam.
I love these styles of cargo bikes 👍😎👍
Very nice video. Great the opportunity came up to review that thing while on vacation. 😁👍 Good job family ..
Ok - I have no need for a family/cargo bike but I need that bell!
Yeah, impressive!
Search for a "ding-dong fietsbel" , and some shops do ship abroad.
You are a lucky man 👨 looks like you have a blessed family 👪 🙏.may God bless you and your family always 🙏 ❤️ 😊
One of the best reviews out there. Detailed and goes over design and technical details!
Urban Arrow vs. Madsen Bike, which would you prefer? This, is a tough choice for us. On the one hand, the Madsen is a lot cheaper, normal chain & derailleur (cheaper and easier to replace). Madsen might be harder to balance. Thoughts?
I wasn't familiar with Madsen before - I guess I'd lean towards having the kiddos in front but on the other hand I'm a sucker for the most affordable thing that will get the job done.
Why are these as so expensive? They are between AU$9K and AU$15K here!! I can buy a high powered Vespa for less
More of a niche market (lower volume) and high quality components used throughout. Still expensive but if it's your car it's easier to justify.
Ok, where can I get one of those bells?
A whole minute to cross that street? I’m lucky to get 12 seconds to run across a six lane stroad here in Ohio!
The infrastructure they built since they decided to move away from a car-centric to a safe for people by design infrastructure is very family and kid friendly. Would be great if we’d move at least a bit in that direction.
I hope you enjoy your trip!
Yeah, the infrastructure is addicting. It makes it even worse when you experience it first hand and realize what's possible.
Wonder how this compares to Yuba’s from loader… super cargo
Those counters are dynamic, so the speed at which they do the countdown might differ.
A bit like the progress bar on a Windows computer.
So, you don't get a minute to cross, the counter just starts at 60.
3:54 best explanation of the shifting mechanism ever :D
Haha
Nice video! Great to see how it worked with a family of 4. I really like the bike
Thanks! It's quite the luxury ebike.
So fun that your family got to go on this trip! It was fun to hear about this bike from you.
Thanks for watching!
A fellow Sconnie?! Subbed!
Thank you!
Great family, your a lucky man...The price of that bike is just obscene...As someone who welds and does metal fabrication on the regular, couldn't justify the cost...Although the design is very clever...My home made bikes have more battery, more power, more comfort, for a fraction of the cost, but, everyone is not willing to develop the skill sets required to do it yourself...
So how much for one of yours?
Thanks! I agree DIY is always the route to go provided you have the time and skills.
Thank you captain obvious, everything is cheaper if the labour is free!
@@lb2791 you aren’t too sharp are you? Think about what he is really saying? 🤦🏻♂️ it’s ironic someone saying captain obvious is the clearly clueless one.
A little scary riding with a baby & young child (with no helmet). I know you had a disclaimer, but it's low profile is probably a little difficult for people in cars to see. Hmmmm :/
Notice how they were traveling on protected bike lanes separate from cars? That's the type of infrastructure they have in the Netherlands and why few people wear helmets, they also don't ride bikes particularly fast over there.
Hi there this bike looks great perfect for little ones I’d put a helmet on them if it was my family through that’s just me everyone does what they want in this world there’s nothing wrong with that it’s called freedom. When I was younger I rode race bike and I learned the hard way but if it was for my helmet I wouldent be here today.✌️
Really a nice looking bike is that bike an evoke?
Jeff pretty much summed it up here. If we had it our way both kiddos would have had helmets on. Unfortunately traveling abroad it just wasn't easy (we only had the bike for a day and we just did a short ride)
Cars don't need to see you because you're not riding on the street together with cars in the netherlands. A helmet won't protect you from cars, good bike infrastructure will.