Hi I just watched alot of your videos and I respect you . I subscribed to you today because we need people like you giving your thoughts and feelings and listening your experiences is eye opening . Thank you for your channel . 🙏
@@davidicousgregorian Don’t go? Who says you have a say. The way it’s shaping up, mountain warfare is becoming key in training especially considering our next enemy might be China and North Korea in areas that are highly mountainous and cold.
This was my unit in 1988, and i have climbed that exact area, but in winter. We had a lot of wargames with and against the US in this area, and we had a lot of respect for them. Must how ever note that we always beat them, but its our home terrain so quite natural. As a note i experienced how the US troops always depended on their mechanized forces, so we always found Nice chokepoints and held them off, and if we got overpowered we vanished up in the terrain. Met quite a few swiss troops as well, and they were also a pleasure to work with. Also have mind this area is above the arctic circle, so Even if it looks same as Canada or North America its a totally other climate
2009 for me, signal batallion! A guy from my troop applied to this exact unit back in 2009, and he came back after a week totally burned out. He couldn't tell everything, but he told me they were hiking just like this for 7 days on end with little/no sleep, little food and rough conditions in winter time. Wet, cold, hungry, tired.. He had no idea how long it would last so he threw in his helmet and returned back to our troop. He was one of the best soldiers in our batallion, fit, sharp and motivated. No one else applied after that..
@@JulieCaptivatedinFl hehe, well I think those days are well past, especially with some gained weight and 30+ years. But I must say I miss the community feeling among our comrades in arms when we had excercises together. And also the friendly rivalry. Well kudos to all current "bad-asses".
Norwegian former soldier here. To answer your question about cold or jungle, cold you can manage. Good clothing and good routines help a lot and snow is natural cover for when enemy units are in the area. In the jungle the weather is more unpredictable and the wildlife is really scary! I'll take a snowballfight any day!
As you might know, Norway hosts the nato winter excercises where all kinds of european and american+canadian forces participate in. Through my career as a medic i participated in a lot of them and it was always a reminder to see the french,dutch,american - any non arctic nation really - struggle so much in snowy and cold conditions. The cold is nasty for everyone, but i realised what an advantage it was to be raised in it and used to it, everything from how to effectively dress and move, manage when to ventilate your clothing and when to button up, to even just knowing that "this is going to suck, but if i dont do unpleasant task 1,2,and 3 right now, i'm going to suffer tenfold in an hour" kinda comes naturally to us. Locals always have the advantage on home terrain, another fact we underestimated in Afghanistan.
America does have land in the Arctic. I know because I live about 140 or so miles away from our Arctic Circle. However, you are right that those who live in cold regions do things more of a second nature. I would also add that we make sure we have our ‘snow tires’ on, our warm blankets in the vehicle, which I just use to cover the seats, quick and easy food, flares (a must), change of warm layered clothes, heavy duty winter boots, which a lot of Alaskans wear the bunny boots from the armed services, I use my ice fishing boots, and a few other extras in our vehicles simply for safety. I have a plastic bin with all of my gear in minus the boots, and I just take it out in the summer, put the summer one in, and vice versa every change of the season from hot to cold. And because it snowed all day yesterday (9-23-2021), I made sure to go through my bin before stuffing it in the back of the Jeep. I had already put the blankets in our short fall season. Yup, snow is on the ground and is going to stay because a lot of it is frozen already, the ground that is. I’ve only ever had to pull out my bin twice so far in my life. Once in my twenties in northern Minnesota, and once just north of Trappers Creek, Alaska in my mid thirties. I don’t care if I never have to use it again, but I’m dang happy I have it just in case. Be well and stay smiling, life is good
Yes, I did my service in a Norwegian recon unit on the Russian border, I remember very well one platoon from south-west coast of Norway, they have almost no snow and very little skill set for snow, the other platoons was filled with "expert" skiers. One trick in the arctic during cold winter, you wanna move non-stop, so you produce heat and keep warm, but the problem was... that freakn noob platoon always messed up, so we had to stop and wait for them, then u freeze. On one winter recon mission, the whole company was lost in a snow storm, temperature was below -30 C, food was supposed to be heli dropped, but they couldn't find us. One guy went into hypothermia and started with paradoxical undressing, but it went well. In the arctic during bad weather, combat value of troops not trained for it is zero, we would be better off w/o that platoon, which was from the south-west coast, so yes, big difference between regions you from. Altitude is only an issue when above 3000 m, yes you have that in the Alps, but highest peak on mainland Norway is less. I remember someone said "real men climb north walls", ridge is nice compared to a north wall, because you have almost no Sun and you typically start off from a glacier, which cools things down. What gets you is the wind, yes wind combined with low temperature, it don't even need to be that cold, snow storm in 0 C means you get wet and have super fast cooling.
@@billybobgaming2814 I lived three years in Northern Minnesota, I know their so called ‘cold’. You see, there is a HUGE difference between what Alaskans consider cold, and what they do. I’m sure you’ve heard all over and along with their weathermen use the term, ‘windchill ’. They add that little tidbit right after they give the little number that is a minus. They use it all the time they think they’re a bit cold. Alaskans? Never heard of it. None of our weatherman use the term, and none of us sure as hell ever use it either. If it’s -50F outside, it’s -50F outside. We don’t use that rink-a-dink term anywhere around here, not even Anchorage where the wussies hide. It’s also why the SEALs train in Alaska for their winter training, not in Minnesota. Hey, good try, better luck next time. Be well and stay smiling, life is good
@@billybobgaming2814 Heh. Duluth Minnesota is in the same longtitude as france and italy, even the black sea. Go another 20-30 degrees north and see if it gets better or worse.
And Magnus have a part 2 of his video, so I guess Jamesons is only 1/4 on the way. :) Video name: Most brutal Military test Ever - I tried to join the Norwegian LRRP SQN
Did the course myself and later 3 times exercise with them in winter. Always went there with a smile. Norwegians are great souls. Very welcome and warm people. Lots of respect for them. Great Chanel you have. No bs talk 😁👊
Nice one Sir, Magnus is a cool guy and the Norwegian LRRP are hardcore - make sure you see the next video in this series where one of the leaving Soldiers completes part of the fitness test with Magnus. Big Smiley from an old Soldier who was a Nordic & Alpine Instructor. Nice to see your comments on this one. Brilliant to see them always switched on when they get contact later when they're the most tired etc...
This video is made in summertime. Wintertime, a totally different story. Magnus is solid, if he is out of breath…. well, then it’s hard work. Check out the Norwegian female sof as well.
The "treeline", where trees stop growing is at about 800-1000 meters (aprox 3000 feet, i think) in southern Norway. Far north, as we see here, the treelinge is usually as low as 300-400 meters.
@@ThinBlueLineGuardian that's because you are at a lower latitude. The farther away from the equator you get the lower the 'tree line'. Where Oslo (the capital of Norway) is, the treeline sits at about 900 meters. Whereas in the Alps that divide Switzerland and north Italy the treeline stands at well over 2000 meters. Where these guys are is so far north Norway you almost don't have a tree line
I was deployed to Norway three years for six months at a time near Trondheim with the Marine Corps. It was one of the greatest experiences of my life. That's my son in the profile by the way. I am 66 years old now.
Yup, went there for training in Stermoen, Narvik and some other town I can’t remember the name of. Lol Mostly around February and March time frame. Cold as crap. These are some tough dudes.
On one trip we were bivouacked in a lumber yard off the river. We were down river from Russia. Huge stacks of logs everywhere. Wicked cold. Semper Fi brother!!!
I always enjoy your reaction videos sir. It was extra enjoyable to see one from my home country. Mountaineering is a major part of Norwegian culture, and there are a lot of civilians, even families with younger children who hike quite arduous routes all year round. Best wishes from Norway.
@@JamesonsTravels …. Yes indeed! We enjoyed going up there throughout the year from our airbase in Zweibruken Germany back in the day, but we went up TDY each time, so we knew we had an end date every trip which made it bearable. On the flip side, we also traveled to Aviano AB and the US Naval base in Naples Italy each month. It was an excellent trade off. Man I miss those days!!
When I was a recruit we were told that these guys backpacks could weigh as much as 154lbs(70kg). Excluding body armor, weapons and the equipment they are wearing.
You should always be able to carry at least your own body weight, at any times, so it sucks when are a big guy like me who was 90- 100kg 🤣😂 As he said in vid, guys like Magnus often handle the weight better when hiking/ climbing.
That's what Sherpas do, when climbing you need to carry a lot of gear, add to that military gear. Now to copy a Sherpa, need to add high altitudes. I've done done 62% of my weight, no thanks to 100%. :)
my job is manualy loading and unloading trucks and stocking storage rooms , i lift , cary and pile up hundreds of flour and grain bags that are 50kg each every day .. after work i walk 30km to go fishing .. if my crap hole country's military had better pay i'd have invested all that energy in it 🥴
A few years ago I was on the island Svalbard which is part of Norway. This is where the world's Seed Vault is. It was summertime. Not one tree or plant could be seen. It was just like what you see on Mars. It's amazing that there are over 2000 residents! Cold !
My dad was there, he also took pictures of landscapes (summer time) which were just barely green with just a little bit grass here and there. Literally a month later a polar bear attacked a tent and killed two people, it was in the news. Fun fact: every car on Svalbard is equipped with a loaded rifle because of the imminent threat from polar bears who look as humans as snacks.
There are more than 2000 people living in Longyearbyen alone, the most northern town in the world on the island of Spitsbergen. It was founded by an American named Longyear. There is also a Russian town there called Barentsburg.
Magnus is a retired Pro Sport Climber. High end Climbers do indeed have amazing hand strength. They all are able to do not only One Arm Pull Ups, but ☝🏽 one finger pulls. As Jameson stated give Magnus Midtbø Channel a gander …, he goes across the spectrum looking for adventures & new challenges EDIT: BTW when you’re climbing together w/o belays is known as SIMUL•CLIMBING
I worked on the re-floating of the Costa Concordia with some Italian mountain climbers. And as you said, those one finger pull-ups looked easy when they did it on the side of the ship. I couldn't even do one :D
Kudos to the Cameraman. He got the same climbing gears and he traded his weapon system with a studio-quality video camera plus several battery packs and he's not complaining!
if you think the guys with guns are though, you have seen nothing what a C-Man on a mission can do, they will be where ever they need to be to capture the right moments come high hell or water without a single complaint xD
As a grunt in the 82nd, I can appreciate the often overlooked aspect of simply “humping.” Jungle school was fun, but of course, I was a young man. There’s only one thing worse than being cold and that’s being WET and cold. Which one would I prefer? Neither! I’d rather watch the next video at home with a coffee. Please continue. I find the Norwegian mindset to their terrain fascinating.
Spot on with the analysis on everything from hypothermia and working above the Arctic circle to Russia. Great video. He, Magnus, just released a video on physical tests, would be a great follow up to this one.
In Norway, the tree line (above which hardly any trees grow) is around 800-1000 m (2600-3300 ft), depending on how far north and close to the coast you are. The highest peak in norway is 8100 ft. So your guestimate of the mission's altitude is quite far off :) The specific peak they are climbing towards is 4773 ft. So, obviously, the altitude is not an issue. No altitude sickness. No particularly thin air...
Recon is a whole different beast as a whole. In my final year of the Officer Academy, I was assigned with Recon company, everyone there was middle aged, like they had kids my age. It was for me to get experience leading a platoon and those guys taught me a lot. It was a really humbling experience failing to keep up with 45 year old dude at the age of 23. Those guys can ruck for miles on end. The 2 snipers we had in the unit lugged 50 cal rifles and they were damn invisible, I mean they would traverse the forest without making a sound. Yeah, fresh officers need to be thrown in those situations to bring down the ego a little.
Magnus is a great humble dude that isn't afraid to try unfamiliar endeavors. Watch him take on the endurance challenge day after he did this, absolutely brutal.
Yes continue the rest of video. I happen to watch as well and the bigger lead soldier that is leaving the group competes against Magnus in some of the basic minimum requirements test. I have new respect for these LLRP soldiers.
Apparently the Norwegian special forces did very well in Afghanistan as they're used to hauling heavy gear up mountains in harsh climate. I'm pretty sure these guys don't fall under Norways special forces, and that the SF-training is somewhat harder, but these guys are hard as nails no doubt about it
@@jon-kennethklemmetsmo2877 Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from how hardcore these guys are, I've got massive respect for them. I guess my thinking is simply this, a person who made it through FSK/MJK selection would pass this units selection, but someone passing this units selection wouldn't necessarily pass the FSK/MJK-selection
Generally the Jeager units have some of the toughest (hardest, most exhausting) training in Norway, even for regular recruits, because they have to train on survival, OP and rescue operations behind enemy lines. These guys are in a league of their own, however, and above that you have the HJK/MJK and the very secretive FSK. I'm willing to bet that these units often train together.
@@kebman I think the training is just as tough, just focusing on different skill set. FSK is 7 year contract, not sure about LRRP, but I think FSK stays longer and thus gets more training in total. Exception might be HUMINT operator, I assume they do joint battalion training with LRRP, but those guys needs to be exceptionally headstrong in able to operate alone and without support. A friend of mine was in FSK and completed the contract, and I was amazed but their contract bonus. His response: "Remember, i worked 14 years during those 7" EW Coy/EKKP 93-94
You're right. Norwegian SOF (MJK and FSK) was particulary asked to be among the first boots on the ground in Afghanistan. For instance for Operation Anaconda. Their performance there resulted in the Presidential Unit Citation, awarded by President Bush.
Being a former Marine I consider our SF groups to be the best the world. That being said, these savages are beyond top notch. We have trained SF groups in arctic warfare and mountaineering, as do many other countries, but these guys specialize in both at the same time. It's one thing to be trained to do it and another to live it, day in and day out. These guys are on a completely different level. Respect!
This would have been right up my alley. I'm from Maine and used to camp around and on Mt. Katahdin in the winter when I was younger. That said, I never did the hikes with 100lbs pack, or while worrying about being attacked, nor was the elevation that bad. LoL Still, I would have been pretty eager for that kind of training when I was in. ESPECIALLY when ALL our training and deployments were desert based! GREAT video, as usual JT
You'll note that, with a couple of few major wars since 1900, the colder parts of the world have had less conflict than the hotter areas. I often think when you live in a place like I have (Northern Ontario which is about the same climate as Siberia) or further North, you start thinking about surviving the environment more than wasting energy fighting with folks. In fact, being on good terms with the smaller population up there so you can help each other is very useful. I sometimes wonder if all parts of the world had cold winters whether or not the net amount of violence would decline. I think so. Three or four months to hide from the most cuttingly cold winter conditions would tend to cool off a fair number of folks. Lots of respect for the defence strategies of Norway, Sweden, etc. They do have to have them given the proximity of a resurgent Russia.
@@ghandimauler Nice analysis, As a European I can add that most medieval battles were conducted during spring and summer as the wintermonths were unfavorable for troop transportation and food sources were scarce.
@@microangle Damn, that's cold. Around my area it's usually gets about -17c on average, but CAN get signifigantly colder. Plus I'm coastal, which often gives us more ice than snow and much more wind than many others places in my state.
@@ghandimauler A good example is when Germany attacked Russia, AT THE END OF SUMMER! That’s a good example of why there hasn’t been that many conflicts in cold weather regions because Germany got totally bogged down when winter hit and it was miserable for the Germans. It was the same for the U.S during the battle of the bulge.
As a former Norwegian UDT, I definitely choose the cold over the hot and humid, 10/10 times. Then again, I'd rather be 30 meters below sea level, than 1000 meters above.
I did Arctic LRPR for 9 months, took diving licence and had first dive in -35 C. Wasn't too bad, we used dry suits and sea temperature was around 4 C. The coldest part was getting in and out of the diving suit, only time I've undressed in -35 C!
5:08 As someone accustomed to things like this - just not at this pace and not with weapons mind you - you're entirely right. This was not filmed during winter, that would had been something _completely_ different, and there's fair or less wind. During winter you get dehydrated just as quick as summer, at least in activity, and water is basically impossible to get by above 1100m here, far lower in some cases. You can eat snow, but you will drain more energy doing that than you gain. Having the "perfect" ventilation is a never ending struggle doing things like this and you HAVE to have spare clothes, or you have to never stop OR at least 2 layers have to be wool, or you may get all kinds of troubles at least during winter or early spring or late autumn. I love to talk about this stuff and have so much more to say but this was the most relevant. The sun really makes a difference in situations like this like you say and I'm not surprised they're hot, with no wind like that, at this tempo, even at this altitude
Cold is just a matter of clothing. In my time (1980) the field bottle was made of metal. It was often icy, but snow always helps with thirst. Respect from Finland.
thanks Jack for being a loyal supporter. i have always seen the small guys do well. tend to break less, hump more than expected and move quick. Big muscled up guys often break when humping lots of gear. The movies have it were that is the norm but not what I have seen across lots of related activities. Heck, all of the super duper SF guys I ever met, Delta types, were total Dad bod models.
In my experience, that is not the reality once you put weight on their backs and the larger guys also train cardio. The type that only lifts at the gym and therefor has little to low cardio abilities generally dont even make the lower effort intakes, let alone special forces.
@@JamesonsTravels hey guy, I like your vids. I am a Seabee from Desert Storm and I would tend to agree with your assessment. I am a big guy and while we tend to have massive strength right now, we typically do not have the endurance of the skinny guys. My dad was one of the first seals, when they split from UDT and talking to him and his friends, my dad blew thru seal training and he is a 6'1" skinny guy. Talking with the guys that my dad worked with at the railroad, he would work 4:1 compared to them and be running while doing it. Thanks again for the great vids.
Wierd to hear them speak english among eachother. Norwegian specialist soldiers are among the best. Do not forget we were the absolute last pulling out of Afghanistan together with US with our field hospital at Kabul airport
@@mightylad2197 when I was there in 2012 your Parliament had really cut down on what you guys where allowed to do. The fellas I spoke to seemed eager to be doing more
I grew up there and was stationed there for 1 year (not in the recon unit), but this is in the summer so it isn't that cold. But during the winter its normal to see temperatures around -30c, that's a completely different story, and you gotta take avalanche risk into account in addition to everything else.
Good of you to make a point of the risk of hypothermia. Thirthy years ago I experienced that during a hike to Glittertind, the second mountain in Norway at 2 452 meters (approx. 8000 ft.) When I started the trip at 1100 meter (approx. 3600 ft.), it was a sunny day in July, and the temperature was 25 degrees Celsius. Although wearing just a T-shirt, I got sweathy, and when I was just a couple hundred meters away from the top, within a short moment the moutain top got wrapped up inside a cloud. Within minutes I reached the top, and started descending again, so in total I spent perhaps 15-20 minutes inside that misty cloud. Although I got back into the sun, I was now so cooled down I was almost shivering. This lasted the entire trip back to the hotel where I was staying (1,-1,5 hour), and didn't loose it's grip till I got into a steamy shower for 5-10 minutes. I was only 17 years old back then, and lacked basic knowledge about hypothermia. Nowaday I take much more reprecautions before I go hiking, and rarely go any hiking in the mountains without additional set of woolen clothing.
Haha, I was biking from Lillehammer and up to Sjusjøen just in my T. It's nowhere near as high, but when I got up there, the weather suddenly shifted and a hail storm came in. God, I've never been so cold in my entire life lol! And I don't think I've biked faster home either.
A lot of people don’t know what hypothermia is or what it’s like. Especially in California. Just watch some of the stupid stuff they make in their movies. It’s no wonder they have screwed up ideas about putting women in combat. Imagine a woman on this mission. 😖😆
Did cold weather training in Norway. US marines I wasn't special forces or anything .30 days above the artic circle in 1993 .Nothing this hard but I really enjoy it! 😉 I really enjoyed meeting people in Norway. Good people 👍
Im a Norwegian and have some experince in that terrain my self, and different mountains, i would 100/100 prefer the cold than jungle. Body heat is key, clothing is for when youre static.
Yeah, heat is alright but the humidity is what gets you in the jungle. Nothing ever dries up. In the cold, you still get alot of perspiration but the air is low on humidity and clothes dry quicker, which makes for an easier time managaging the temperatures.
@@valhallaiamcoming1376 The chance of that happening is slim to none. You'll need citizenship, which require residency of 7 years (work/study). Army will only accept 28 y.o. or younger. You'll also have to be an exceptional candidate at this point. If you're asking if a Norwegian citizen of foreign descent is allowed to join, then the answer is yes.
The tree line (tree free zone) in the scandinavian mountains varies from 3500 feet in the south to 2300 feet in the most northern area, above sea level.
As a Secound Lieutenant of the Finnish Defense Froces I would most definitely take the hot over the cold. During my 347 days of training the temperatures varied from 86 fahrenheit to -22 fahrenheit. The cold just makes every single basic thing so much more diffucult in the woods. Especially the gear. In the cold you have to have a lot of clothes on but once you take a sprint or have to do some sort of physical activity you sweat like hell, and then when you stop and stay still for hours the hypothermia is definitely a threat.
@Krister L Yeah I agree that both extremes are horrible. I guess my opinion is biased due to the fact that it doesn't get really hot in Finland but it gets really cold so I haven't really experienced both ends of the spectrum.
@@Skerrry Did 5 years at the Army Ranger Battalion in northern Sweden, coldest temperature I experienced there was -45 Celsius. When I went to Iraq the hottest I experienced was 56 degress Celsius. My experience is that the human body can adapt to extreme heat better than it can adapt to extreme cold, but they're both 100% deadly unless you take the right precautions. It took like a month or so for the body to adapt to the heat, but once you were used to it, it was mostly a matter of not running out of water. Cold, on the other hand, is slightly trickier. The body itself can't adapt to it, but we can adapt with clothing and eating more calories to produce body heat. TL:DR I've experienced both extremes and they both suck, and are deadly if not respected.
Thanks! It sure is a tough operation but altitude sickness is not something they have to worry about. The mountains over there aren't high enough. You have to go quickly above 2500 m (8200 ft) and not used to it to get altitude sickness. Back in my Alpine days, the guides used to say you will know whether you get altitude sickness if you get quickly over 3000m (btw, I never did and went up to 3800). The highest peak in Norway is below even 2500 at 2469 m and the peak they are climbing does not seem to be on the list of peaks higher than 2000 in Norway.
Yes, they briefly showed Istinden on the map. That's about 1.500m high. The hills are bare there because it's so far north, beyond the arctic circle. This looks like summer, and that can be pretty warm. I hiked there too, it's glorious. Rago national park further south looks like Yosemite just without the crowds!
Greetings Jameson! I’m an American from New Orleans . I moved to Norway in 2020 to marry my Norwegian fiancée. I have hiked in areas near our home and I’m used to the flat and below sea level topography of New Orleans hahaha. Nevertheless I enjoyed my hikes in various cities in Norway. I must say though I did notice immediate differences in my breathing just walking up these trails. But! The cold I’m welcomed to it. It’s like someone who has been stuck in a house with no ac and walking into the gas station during summer who has the ac on full blast! I love it. I digress, I’ve been all over the west of Norway, south to the east borders of Norway, and as far north as Røros. There is a lot of different temperatures for each of the aforementioned regions of Norway obviously. The comparison is they all have “hills” but are mountains to my eyes! But of course the mountains are amazing. We drove through them from Bergen all the way across Norways west to the east side. Wonderful view and hiking. I love your content, keep up the good work!
so you and i understand sea level and humidity. that is one thing for people to get used to but the evaluation adds a unique level of suck to breathing.
So, as a Dane (norwegians and danes are almost identical.. 😆) Just a curious question. What were the BIGGEST, cultural differenced you experienced when moving to Norway?
@@JamesonsTravels Exactly. Everything he does is technique. It's all about teaching how to solve the problems(Climbs). He does a video where he climbs every wall in a gym in one session and I just couldn't believe it. He not only knows how to solve the problems but he can do it all in one sitting. I watched this video recently and I didn't know he did similar videos with other units. I think he has done like 2-3 of these videos now with high tier units and it just makes me smile. He may not do the shooting part but he can do a 36 hour straight mountain hike. I appreciate you reading my comment. Keep up the hard work brother 🤙
I recently watched a long interview between Jocko and a British SBS soldier. He was former Arctic Recon, and said that Arctic Recon in the British army had, when he was in, a 100% success rate for SAS/SBS selection. It must be pretty damn tough.
When I was stationed in West Germany back in 1989 with D. Co. 6/6 Infantry, our platoon went through Platoon Confidence Training in Bad Toltz, the German alps for 10 days. Froze my butt off but good training.
Wow i too back in 83 spent a month in Bad Tolz with B Company 1/15 3rd Infantry ( it was volunteer training so it was only about 20 of us ), the 1st sign we saw when we got there said LEARNING TO DEAL WITH PAIN IS LEARNING TO DEAL WITH LIFE and with that I said to myself this place is going to be fun. lol it was good training though. You recall if that sign was still there ?
@@jivetalk1045 ....... yeah I believe that's the one , Part of the reason I asked Is I actually still have a picture of the sign and the compound that I took with a throwaway camera that I kept in my pocket .Anyway thanks for the reply and take care
I live in the mountains of Colorado and the word your looking for is tree line and at least in Colorado our tree line is around 11’000 feet, another reason he might find himself feeling hot at high altitudes is that your just simply closer to the sun and it’s radiation. Believe it or not skiing on a sunny day might require more sunscreen than going to the beach in the middle of summer. Hope this info helped anyone who didn’t know keep making great content Mr. Jameson
Arctic Warriors of the Alaska Army National Guard Scout Battalions were the best. Regularly operated in -50 to -70 degrees SAR missions. Sadly they no longer exist.
mountain sickness is rarely a problem i norway. highest mountain is just a litle more than 8000 feet. but its a lot of rough mountains on the westcoast because you start allmoust at sealevel and steep trails.
As being from the northern parts of Norway..this look for me like early June.. that ain't no winter time for us.. shame they didn't show what they go true in the winter time.. this is summer time
Norwegian here who served in the same area they are located. Coldest dips below 40 degrees Celsius through november-march. The treeline is much lower in the North compared to closer to the equator due to the oval shape made by the rotation of the earth, the more north\south you go relative to the equator, the less oxygen there is in the atmosphere. This is why around the equator you can see trees and heavy vegetation covering mountaintops and such.
Istind, the mountain they climbed, is 1455meters above sealevel. Also definetly prefer the cold. Easier to dress for. Might help that i went to the Norwegian armys winter warfare school. Great video, man!
There are less people in Norway than in Manhathan (half the quantity)... imagine how hard it could be to form a full army and, them, select it's elite to form an special squad like this. If quantity makes quality, this guys are real magicians. Cheers!
30 years ago, almost all men in Norway had 12 months of military training. and nowadays women also do military training. After 12 months of training we were dismissed and only did annual training, so the numbers can be "quite" higher than the number of active soldiers in the army. Beside our terrain is made for guerrilla tactics, where a handful of soldiers can do a lot of harm and slow the enemy. So agile and hidden warfare can outlast a large, visible and slow enemy. But we are a defensive nation, with some special forces that are trained in doing attacks. We could never invade and conquer Russia, but we can prevent them from invading us.
The forest line is approx 200-500 meter in the northern part of Norway. The peak of Istind is 1455 MAMSL. I did my service in that area, and went on several "trips" (my unit never did excercises, that sounded much less fun). One night during one trip we dug down in the snow and slept in -42C in an emergency shelter, just to show us that we could. We are just ordinary people, serving 12 months of military duty, but (most of us) learnt how to dress to be outside when we were kids and that is valuable knowledge during military service up in the north during winter. And walking in trousers, a shirt and caps in -20C between the barracks and other buildings was normal.
I prefer cold all day. In the winter I wear jeans and short sleeve shirts in 10°F weather no problem. I can swim in ice water for a good hour or two. Did cold weather training as a kid for hockey and other winter sports and my body is acclimated to 0°F-65-70°F max and then I feel like I'm melting like frosty the snowman.
Since norway is so high north, the actual altitude isn’t that high. It just seems a lot higher since there is no life because of the cold. The mountain they were on is only around 1400 meters above sea level.
"No life"? That's definitely not right, but about the tree line... It depends on the temperature, soil etc. (but mostly temperature) and considering there's a correlation between altitude and temperature; altitude will also have an impact on the tree line. As you pointed out; the climate is colder in Norway and thus the tree line will also be at a lower altitude. In other words; the further you go towards the poles; the lower the tree line; generally speaking of course. In the far north of Norway the tree line is even only as high as the sea level due to the lower temperatures. In the Netherlands, Denmark and Germany; where you have the Frisian Islands this is also the case, but not due to temperature (nor altitude), but due to the salinated soil, heavy coastal winds and tides. Maybe this is what you meant, but I think this is a bit more detailed.
Well, that information is wrong. We have 234 mountains in Norway that's 2000m or higher. If you look at a map over Norway, you'll see mountains from the south and all the way up north, called Nordryggen.
@5.57 when he says "what do we if we get shot at... what it called do we return fire" I think it was him processing what he was wanting to say in Norwegian and then saying it in english.
I was in the Swedish ranger company I22. Located above the polar circle. We were out on a 14 day exercise when the temperature dropped to minus 52.5 degrees celcius (126 Fahrenheit) We lived in tents during those conditions for four days, then the temperature dropped to minus 48C (118 F) I remember it felt warm and cosey... Out of a year, we spent more than 80 days in the mountains and forest. Our task was to act selfindependent, deep inside enemy territory.
ouch, great training but i bet you were glad to get back to a fire. i was in sweden 2019 september. loved the visit. great father is from there. I am swedish and norwegian and wanted to spend some time there again in 2020.
@@Phailzone Well, I don't think i messed it up. We don't use Fahrenheit here so I did check it out in a converter. It said, -52.5° C = - 126° F and - 48°C= - 118.4°F -40° = 104° F
@@JamesonsTravels Nice. Yes. I remember that when we came back to our regiment we walked around in our wollen socks. No need for boots since the air and snow was so dry. It's also good to pre-heat the air when you breath, with a neoprene filter. Take a road trip if you come back. You can stop mor or less wherever you want to set camp. If you go north. I'll recomend Västerbotten area. Places like Kittelfjäll and the national park Sarek. 90000 lakes so you are never without freshwater. If you like to use a canoe or kayak. There is 45000ish islands in the archipielago. Welcome 🍻
@@biotribe123 your not quite correct... as an example 52C is 125.6F.. but -52C is -61.6F... so yeah F is scaled: T(°F) = T(°C) × 9/5 + 32. Cool story though and Crazy cold!!
I was Infantry recon for quite some years while in the US ARMY. Considering how much we train and hump in and around disgusting terrain I have the full confidence Id be able to achieve this. Of course it will difficult but it isn’t impossible. As far as a down helicopter mission. Planning isn’t done deliberately, it’s a hasty COA with a cover and concealed route and you hurry till you reach the Grid-square in which the down pilot is in. Once you reach it you pinpoint on the map where you are to orient the team to the direction of the DP within the grid square and you walk in a wedge until in view of DP. You have to understand you are fighting time during a DP mission. The quicker you arrive the chances are someone is alive. I love this stuff and enjoyed all my years of service.
I'm happy that US is more in Norway for training, I know its among some controversial about the american rotary contigent that swap to do cold weather training among other things, you are our closest allied, ofcourse you are welcomed :-)
It actually can get quite warm in that area during the summer. During the year, the temps range from 82f to -22f. There are a few bases scattered around the basin of that mountain, a lot of American and British troops there too.
I spent 9 months at Setermoen when I was in the military, this must be shot during the summer as there is hardly any snow. We had several different countries that came to us to train.
I was stationed there in 2009, and was sent up that mountain during basic training (following a far less technical route along the ridge opposite to the one shown here) You can't go anywhere near that mountain without proper experience during winter, because of the avalanche hazard.
@@TheVaff3l I know, it's hard up there, we got caught in a blizzard and had to be evacuated by the belt wagons after digging us first a showcase, then a snow pit... I managed to get frost damage, still hurts when the cold weather hits me today...
It looks amazing. I watched trainings of Polish Grom and Formoza and this is another extreme. These people and their Arctic training requires endurance, navigation skills and strong mentality few people possess.
Norway is not really high altitude area ,but i assume that they likley always start at sea level. In the alps you are at higher altitude and thinner air most of the time but you start on a certain level. At the end you may end with the same amount of vertical distance.
The mountains here aren't that high that you risk alt sickness. But the terrain is pretty rough at times. This video was shot during summertime as it is far north and still light outside. The winters up there are dark and brutal, but wouldn't make for a good youtube video.
And Setermoen is a special kind of hell, second only to Skjold. The base is in a depression and the river bends around, creating this area with extra cold and extra humidity. Killer combo for the artic winter. I have experienced several degrees difference between the base and Bardu witch is like half a mile. I remember one time it was -39,5C (outdoor exercise limit was -40C) and on our way to the shooting range the lieutenant asked "Are anyone cold?" If course one imbecile responded "YES, LIEUTENANT!" "ok, then we jog to the range." Everyone had starting frostbites even though it is not a long trek and no-one cared about hitting their targets. EW Coy 93-94
The wife's cousin is Polish but part of this unit in Norway- He is a monster and one scary dude. He spoke about a mission they did to knock a terrorist
We need a part 2 for this ASAP!!! also Magnus has 2 more videos with these guys… one is next day Strength test & A obstacle course challenge! 🔥💪 would be great to get your reaction to that!
I grew up in the arctic in the mountains and had my training with a unit operating north of the polar circle, so it feels a bit strange when people say it’s an extreme environment to operate in. But I guess you’re always going to struggle if you’re from elsewhere, just as I struggle immensely in jungle environment.
True, but as you well know the room for error is so much smaller up there. In -40 and howling winds even losing your mittens could mean mission failure or a lot worse.
@@Kraakesolv yes, that why units operating in these areas are extremely meticulous about how soldiers take care of their equipment. Then again, survival training is also important.
Hey there! Love your channel! Its educating and fun to watch. As for Magnus and the norwegian arctic recon training I can tell all the viewers a little about the location. I used to live in the area. It was filmed just north of a little town called Setermoen, where the Norwegian Army has a large base. They are located just shy of 69 degrees North. Almost 500 km north of the arctic circle. In this area the tree line is only a few hundred meters above sea level. Somewhere between 200-600 meters is common in this area. depending on the local topographic conditions. Even though there is some snow in the video it was filmed in about mid to late summer, as you can see from the green foliage down in the valleys. The lack of steam from peoples breath also gives away the air temperature. It is definitely above 0 degrees, and perhaps as high as about 10-15 degrees Celsius. which would be common summer temperature. Would be interesting to see you do a part two of this video and give your interpretation of the training. All the best! Regards from Norway! K
@@blueeyedpunk They used to do it but not sure now with the Covid-19 roaming around. Btw who would like to invade Greenland the logistic would be a nightmare.
@@jtkfox4717 I think it's more of a matter of control over Greenland and the surrounding sea. You won't have to control all of Greenland for that. So logistical speaking it could be feasible. I can see one of the danish parties have talked about increasing the military and also buying things that can be useful for defending Denmark and the danish commonwealth
@@blueeyedpunk Denmark only has to deploy two or more submarines in the area and they would make it hard for any enemy ships to stay around Greenland. I assume that Denmark has U-boats and has upgraded it. And I bet that they would also place some SAM Sites on that very small Island far out in the sea. :D
I've never been in any special forces, but I have been in the Norwegian army. Some of the things he says is actually a good point. One of the most dangerous things about getting tired and demotivated, is you stop looking hard for enemies. You feel so powerless after a while, that you turn irrational. I would definately go for arctic warfare vs. tropical warfare, because I know how to dress for cold weather, and I know the basics on how to survive the cold. I was in two weeks of training excersise with around -20 degrees celcius every day. You learn so much from that. Small actions that can save you from freezing up. Like having a small shoe brush on you, and completely remove the snow with it, before you enter a warm tent, will save you from getting wet. Because suddenly you have to rush out from the tent, and if you're wet in -20 degrees C, you will not last long. US Marines come to Norway every year, or every 2 years (dont remember anymore) to learn arctic warfare from us. One of the most important lessons is what to wear. From this experience I am having such good time going out in the forest in the winter. Many of my buddies who dont know how to dress for winter have such bad times, and I just sit there with a big smile on my face. Warm and dry :D
as a norwegian who actually did my service up in that area of norway, i would love for you to make a video on norwegian GSV... (Garnisonen i Sør-Varanger) its the border patrol guarding against the russian border, they have the best hunter programs in the world.. i was a k9-handler
How does this compare to the Swiss Mountaineering training - th-cam.com/video/wiRKN4aIEvI/w-d-xo.html Jungle or Artic training?
Jungle. Give me jungle.
I've lived in Switzerland and the alps are no joke. The cold is the biggest threat in my opinion I could never have warm enough socks.
I would want artic training
Hi I just watched alot of your videos and I respect you . I subscribed to you today because we need people like you giving your thoughts and feelings and listening your experiences is eye opening . Thank you for your channel . 🙏
Seems pretty cool and you can never be overprepared when it comes to conflict.
Anything to do with the artic makes things so much harder. These dudes are in my opinion among the better soldiers out there
Yeah sure..
Smarter soldiers don't go to freezing temps to work I'd say not better
@@davidicousgregorian Don’t go? Who says you have a say. The way it’s shaping up, mountain warfare is becoming key in training especially considering our next enemy might be China and North Korea in areas that are highly mountainous and cold.
@@davidicousgregorian you clearly have a hand1cap. It's in your brain.
Smart solders go where ever they are needed....
This was my unit in 1988, and i have climbed that exact area, but in winter. We had a lot of wargames with and against the US in this area, and we had a lot of respect for them. Must how ever note that we always beat them, but its our home terrain so quite natural. As a note i experienced how the US troops always depended on their mechanized forces, so we always found Nice chokepoints and held them off, and if we got overpowered we vanished up in the terrain. Met quite a few swiss troops as well, and they were also a pleasure to work with. Also have mind this area is above the arctic circle, so Even if it looks same as Canada or North America its a totally other climate
I was upp there in 88 also in the winter time, I was in the airforce. That mountain was on our patch :-) Great times.
1982 for me :)
2009 for me, signal batallion! A guy from my troop applied to this exact unit back in 2009, and he came back after a week totally burned out. He couldn't tell everything, but he told me they were hiking just like this for 7 days on end with little/no sleep, little food and rough conditions in winter time. Wet, cold, hungry, tired.. He had no idea how long it would last so he threw in his helmet and returned back to our troop. He was one of the best soldiers in our batallion, fit, sharp and motivated. No one else applied after that..
What you are REALLY saying is you are a badass!
@@JulieCaptivatedinFl hehe, well I think those days are well past, especially with some gained weight and 30+ years. But I must say I miss the community feeling among our comrades in arms when we had excercises together. And also the friendly rivalry. Well kudos to all current "bad-asses".
Norwegian former soldier here. To answer your question about cold or jungle, cold you can manage. Good clothing and good routines help a lot and snow is natural cover for when enemy units are in the area. In the jungle the weather is more unpredictable and the wildlife is really scary! I'll take a snowballfight any day!
As you might know, Norway hosts the nato winter excercises where all kinds of european and american+canadian forces participate in. Through my career as a medic i participated in a lot of them and it was always a reminder to see the french,dutch,american - any non arctic nation really - struggle so much in snowy and cold conditions. The cold is nasty for everyone, but i realised what an advantage it was to be raised in it and used to it, everything from how to effectively dress and move, manage when to ventilate your clothing and when to button up, to even just knowing that "this is going to suck, but if i dont do unpleasant task 1,2,and 3 right now, i'm going to suffer tenfold in an hour" kinda comes naturally to us. Locals always have the advantage on home terrain, another fact we underestimated in Afghanistan.
America does have land in the Arctic. I know because I live about 140 or so miles away from our Arctic Circle. However, you are right that those who live in cold regions do things more of a second nature. I would also add that we make sure we have our ‘snow tires’ on, our warm blankets in the vehicle, which I just use to cover the seats, quick and easy food, flares (a must), change of warm layered clothes, heavy duty winter boots, which a lot of Alaskans wear the bunny boots from the armed services, I use my ice fishing boots, and a few other extras in our vehicles simply for safety. I have a plastic bin with all of my gear in minus the boots, and I just take it out in the summer, put the summer one in, and vice versa every change of the season from hot to cold.
And because it snowed all day yesterday (9-23-2021), I made sure to go through my bin before stuffing it in the back of the Jeep. I had already put the blankets in our short fall season. Yup, snow is on the ground and is going to stay because a lot of it is frozen already, the ground that is.
I’ve only ever had to pull out my bin twice so far in my life. Once in my twenties in northern Minnesota, and once just north of Trappers Creek, Alaska in my mid thirties. I don’t care if I never have to use it again, but I’m dang happy I have it just in case.
Be well and stay smiling, life is good
Yes, I did my service in a Norwegian recon unit on the Russian border, I remember very well one platoon from south-west coast of Norway, they have almost no snow and very little skill set for snow, the other platoons was filled with "expert" skiers. One trick in the arctic during cold winter, you wanna move non-stop, so you produce heat and keep warm, but the problem was... that freakn noob platoon always messed up, so we had to stop and wait for them, then u freeze.
On one winter recon mission, the whole company was lost in a snow storm, temperature was below -30 C, food was supposed to be heli dropped, but they couldn't find us. One guy went into hypothermia and started with paradoxical undressing, but it went well. In the arctic during bad weather, combat value of troops not trained for it is zero, we would be better off w/o that platoon, which was from the south-west coast, so yes, big difference between regions you from.
Altitude is only an issue when above 3000 m, yes you have that in the Alps, but highest peak on mainland Norway is less. I remember someone said "real men climb north walls", ridge is nice compared to a north wall, because you have almost no Sun and you typically start off from a glacier, which cools things down. What gets you is the wind, yes wind combined with low temperature, it don't even need to be that cold, snow storm in 0 C means you get wet and have super fast cooling.
Check out the weather in Duluth Minnesota and come back and tell me about cold.
@@billybobgaming2814 I lived three years in Northern Minnesota, I know their so called ‘cold’. You see, there is a HUGE difference between what Alaskans consider cold, and what they do. I’m sure you’ve heard all over and along with their weathermen use the term, ‘windchill ’. They add that little tidbit right after they give the little number that is a minus. They use it all the time they think they’re a bit cold. Alaskans? Never heard of it. None of our weatherman use the term, and none of us sure as hell ever use it either. If it’s -50F outside, it’s -50F outside. We don’t use that rink-a-dink term anywhere around here, not even Anchorage where the wussies hide.
It’s also why the SEALs train in Alaska for their winter training, not in Minnesota.
Hey, good try, better luck next time.
Be well and stay smiling, life is good
@@billybobgaming2814 Heh. Duluth Minnesota is in the same longtitude as france and italy, even the black sea. Go another 20-30 degrees north and see if it gets better or worse.
Yes, please. You pick really fascinating subjects. Part 2 for the Norwegian Arctic reconnaissance would be cool.
Part 2 is definitely a must
And Magnus have a part 2 of his video, so I guess Jamesons is only 1/4 on the way. :) Video name: Most brutal Military test Ever - I tried to join the Norwegian LRRP SQN
Did the course myself and later 3 times exercise with them in winter. Always went there with a smile. Norwegians are great souls. Very welcome and warm people. Lots of respect for them. Great Chanel you have. No bs talk 😁👊
Nice one Sir, Magnus is a cool guy and the Norwegian LRRP are hardcore - make sure you see the next video in this series where one of the leaving Soldiers completes part of the fitness test with Magnus. Big Smiley from an old Soldier who was a Nordic & Alpine Instructor. Nice to see your comments on this one. Brilliant to see them always switched on when they get contact later when they're the most tired etc...
This video is made in summertime.
Wintertime, a totally different story.
Magnus is solid, if he is out of breath…. well, then it’s hard work.
Check out the Norwegian female sof as well.
The "treeline", where trees stop growing is at about 800-1000 meters (aprox 3000 feet, i think) in southern Norway. Far north, as we see here, the treelinge is usually as low as 300-400 meters.
Here where I'm at in Oregon the tree line stays pretty constant at 3,500 and 4,000 metres (11,500 and 13,100 ft)
@@ThinBlueLineGuardian that's because you are at a lower latitude. The farther away from the equator you get the lower the 'tree line'. Where Oslo (the capital of Norway) is, the treeline sits at about 900 meters. Whereas in the Alps that divide Switzerland and north Italy the treeline stands at well over 2000 meters. Where these guys are is so far north Norway you almost don't have a tree line
@@rastlin1984 I was just talking about where I'm at, I wasn't saying that's the same for everywhere else.
I used to climb in the alps, and there it was around 2000m, that far up north, it's certainly a lot lower.
Istind is 1489 meter at the top. its a 6h hike if you do it as a tourist .
Magnus, a pleasure sir 😁🇺🇲 keep em coming and Magnus ain't done yet with these military videos
I was deployed to Norway three years for six months at a time near Trondheim with the Marine Corps. It was one of the greatest experiences of my life. That's my son in the profile by the way. I am 66 years old now.
Nice! Whatd you like about Trondheim? Did you visit the cathedral?
Yup, went there for training in Stermoen, Narvik and some other town I can’t remember the name of. Lol Mostly around February and March time frame. Cold as crap. These are some tough dudes.
On one trip we were bivouacked in a lumber yard off the river. We were down river from Russia. Huge stacks of logs everywhere. Wicked cold. Semper Fi brother!!!
I was there too for while
I always enjoy your reaction videos sir. It was extra enjoyable to see one from my home country. Mountaineering is a major part of Norwegian culture, and there are a lot of civilians, even families with younger children who hike quite arduous routes all year round.
Best wishes from Norway.
I worked with the Norwegians many many times while I was in USAF Tac Recon. Tromso is such a lovely place in the winter…..
i bet you were glad to get back to some sunshine during the winter. get away to see the sun anywhere south.
@@JamesonsTravels …. Yes indeed! We enjoyed going up there throughout the year from our airbase in Zweibruken Germany back in the day, but we went up TDY each time, so we knew we had an end date every trip which made it bearable. On the flip side, we also traveled to Aviano AB and the US Naval base in Naples Italy each month. It was an excellent trade off. Man I miss those days!!
that's dope! I live in Tromsø
@@hhhhh5899 ….. beautiful BUT ….. brrrrrr
I'm from Tromsø!
When I was a recruit we were told that these guys backpacks could weigh as much as 154lbs(70kg). Excluding body armor, weapons and the equipment they are wearing.
that is crazy af. I have toted 90 with load out and that seemed heavy now add in climbing. no thanks.
You should always be able to carry at least your own body weight, at any times, so it sucks when are a big guy like me who was 90- 100kg 🤣😂 As he said in vid, guys like Magnus often handle the weight better when hiking/ climbing.
That's what Sherpas do, when climbing you need to carry a lot of gear, add to that military gear. Now to copy a Sherpa, need to add high altitudes. I've done done 62% of my weight, no thanks to 100%. :)
whatever
my job is manualy loading and unloading trucks and stocking storage rooms , i lift , cary and pile up hundreds of flour and grain bags that are 50kg each every day .. after work i walk 30km to go fishing .. if my crap hole country's military had better pay i'd have invested all that energy in it 🥴
A few years ago I was on the island Svalbard which is part of Norway. This is where the world's Seed Vault is. It was summertime. Not one tree or plant could be seen. It was just like what you see on Mars. It's amazing that there are over 2000 residents! Cold !
They also have polar bears in Svalbard.
My dad was there, he also took pictures of landscapes (summer time) which were just barely green with just a little bit grass here and there. Literally a month later a polar bear attacked a tent and killed two people, it was in the news. Fun fact: every car on Svalbard is equipped with a loaded rifle because of the imminent threat from polar bears who look as humans as snacks.
There are more than 2000 people living in Longyearbyen alone, the most northern town in the world on the island of Spitsbergen. It was founded by an American named Longyear. There is also a Russian town there called Barentsburg.
Magnus is a retired Pro Sport Climber. High end Climbers do indeed have amazing hand strength. They all are able to do not only One Arm Pull Ups, but ☝🏽 one finger pulls. As Jameson stated give Magnus Midtbø Channel a gander …, he goes across the spectrum looking for adventures & new challenges
EDIT: BTW when you’re climbing together w/o belays is known as SIMUL•CLIMBING
Guys looks amazing. Great content.
I worked on the re-floating of the Costa Concordia with some Italian mountain climbers. And as you said, those one finger pull-ups looked easy when they did it on the side of the ship. I couldn't even do one :D
@@JamesonsTravels ….. He really goes across the board & being an former pro athlete he does bring some unique physical skills.
@@MrOddball63 …. Italian Mountaineering & Alpinism has a long & storied history. Great riggers also
@@robertnewell4054 Indeed... Great guys off work as well...
Kudos to the Cameraman. He got the same climbing gears and he traded his weapon system with a studio-quality video camera plus several battery packs and he's not complaining!
if you think the guys with guns are though, you have seen nothing what a C-Man on a mission can do, they will be where ever they need to be to capture the right moments come high hell or water without a single complaint xD
As a grunt in the 82nd, I can appreciate the often overlooked aspect of simply “humping.”
Jungle school was fun, but of course, I was a young man.
There’s only one thing worse than being cold and that’s being WET and cold.
Which one would I prefer? Neither! I’d rather watch the next video at home with a coffee. Please continue. I find the Norwegian mindset to their terrain fascinating.
Spot on with the analysis on everything from hypothermia and working above the Arctic circle to Russia. Great video.
He, Magnus, just released a video on physical tests, would be a great follow up to this one.
Thanks for the info!
Arctic corcle to Russia?Are they preparing to invade them?good luck with that.
@@bingo5767 That is not what I said at all.
In Norway, the tree line (above which hardly any trees grow) is around 800-1000 m (2600-3300 ft), depending on how far north and close to the coast you are. The highest peak in norway is 8100 ft. So your guestimate of the mission's altitude is quite far off :) The specific peak they are climbing towards is 4773 ft.
So, obviously, the altitude is not an issue. No altitude sickness. No particularly thin air...
Recon is a whole different beast as a whole.
In my final year of the Officer Academy, I was assigned with Recon company, everyone there was middle aged, like they had kids my age. It was for me to get experience leading a platoon and those guys taught me a lot. It was a really humbling experience failing to keep up with 45 year old dude at the age of 23. Those guys can ruck for miles on end. The 2 snipers we had in the unit lugged 50 cal rifles and they were damn invisible, I mean they would traverse the forest without making a sound.
Yeah, fresh officers need to be thrown in those situations to bring down the ego a little.
Magnus is a great humble dude that isn't afraid to try unfamiliar endeavors. Watch him take on the endurance challenge day after he did this, absolutely brutal.
Yeah man that was brutal, i was astonished he did the day after they finsished this one. Thats insane
Yes continue the rest of video. I happen to watch as well and the bigger lead soldier that is leaving the group competes against Magnus in some of the basic minimum requirements test. I have new respect for these LLRP soldiers.
Apparently the Norwegian special forces did very well in Afghanistan as they're used to hauling heavy gear up mountains in harsh climate.
I'm pretty sure these guys don't fall under Norways special forces, and that the SF-training is somewhat harder, but these guys are hard as nails no doubt about it
Not a Special force, but the skills and selection is inline with a SOF unit. This is also a exercise they do every year , same with the gym video
@@jon-kennethklemmetsmo2877 Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from how hardcore these guys are, I've got massive respect for them.
I guess my thinking is simply this, a person who made it through FSK/MJK selection would pass this units selection, but someone passing this units selection wouldn't necessarily pass the FSK/MJK-selection
Generally the Jeager units have some of the toughest (hardest, most exhausting) training in Norway, even for regular recruits, because they have to train on survival, OP and rescue operations behind enemy lines. These guys are in a league of their own, however, and above that you have the HJK/MJK and the very secretive FSK. I'm willing to bet that these units often train together.
@@kebman I think the training is just as tough, just focusing on different skill set. FSK is 7 year contract, not sure about LRRP, but I think FSK stays longer and thus gets more training in total. Exception might be HUMINT operator, I assume they do joint battalion training with LRRP, but those guys needs to be exceptionally headstrong in able to operate alone and without support. A friend of mine was in FSK and completed the contract, and I was amazed but their contract bonus. His response: "Remember, i worked 14 years during those 7"
EW Coy/EKKP 93-94
You're right. Norwegian SOF (MJK and FSK) was particulary asked to be among the first boots on the ground in Afghanistan. For instance for Operation Anaconda. Their performance there resulted in the Presidential Unit Citation, awarded by President Bush.
Being a former Marine I consider our SF groups to be the best the world. That being said, these savages are beyond top notch. We have trained SF groups in arctic warfare and mountaineering, as do many other countries, but these guys specialize in both at the same time. It's one thing to be trained to do it and another to live it, day in and day out. These guys are on a completely different level. Respect!
The cameraman is the most fit out of the bunch
This would have been right up my alley.
I'm from Maine and used to camp around and on Mt. Katahdin in the winter when I was younger.
That said, I never did the hikes with 100lbs pack, or while worrying about being attacked, nor was the elevation that bad. LoL
Still, I would have been pretty eager for that kind of training when I was in. ESPECIALLY when ALL our training and deployments were desert based!
GREAT video, as usual JT
You'll note that, with a couple of few major wars since 1900, the colder parts of the world have had less conflict than the hotter areas. I often think when you live in a place like I have (Northern Ontario which is about the same climate as Siberia) or further North, you start thinking about surviving the environment more than wasting energy fighting with folks. In fact, being on good terms with the smaller population up there so you can help each other is very useful. I sometimes wonder if all parts of the world had cold winters whether or not the net amount of violence would decline. I think so. Three or four months to hide from the most cuttingly cold winter conditions would tend to cool off a fair number of folks.
Lots of respect for the defence strategies of Norway, Sweden, etc. They do have to have them given the proximity of a resurgent Russia.
@@ghandimauler Nice analysis, As a European I can add that most medieval battles were conducted during spring and summer as the wintermonths were unfavorable for troop transportation and food sources were scarce.
this is summer time..not winter time..winter time be prepared for -20 to -40 celsius.. been working outside in -34 celsius..
@@microangle Damn, that's cold. Around my area it's usually gets about -17c on average, but CAN get signifigantly colder. Plus I'm coastal, which often gives us more ice than snow and much more wind than many others places in my state.
@@ghandimauler A good example is when Germany attacked Russia, AT THE END OF SUMMER! That’s a good example of why there hasn’t been that many conflicts in cold weather regions because Germany got totally bogged down when winter hit and it was miserable for the Germans. It was the same for the U.S during the battle of the bulge.
As a former Norwegian UDT, I definitely choose the cold over the hot and humid, 10/10 times. Then again, I'd rather be 30 meters below sea level, than 1000 meters above.
I did Arctic LRPR for 9 months, took diving licence and had first dive in -35 C. Wasn't too bad, we used dry suits and sea temperature was around 4 C. The coldest part was getting in and out of the diving suit, only time I've undressed in -35 C!
@@tor6372 😂👍
I meet some Norwegian Armoured Infantry at MOB Price and they were some of the nicest guys I ever met.
wait - I’ve gotten Denmark mixed up with Norway.
5:08 As someone accustomed to things like this - just not at this pace and not with weapons mind you - you're entirely right.
This was not filmed during winter, that would had been something _completely_ different, and there's fair or less wind.
During winter you get dehydrated just as quick as summer, at least in activity, and water is basically impossible to get by above 1100m here, far lower in some cases.
You can eat snow, but you will drain more energy doing that than you gain.
Having the "perfect" ventilation is a never ending struggle doing things like this and you HAVE to have spare clothes, or you have to never stop OR at least 2 layers have to be wool, or you may get all kinds of troubles at least during winter or early spring or late autumn.
I love to talk about this stuff and have so much more to say but this was the most relevant.
The sun really makes a difference in situations like this like you say and I'm not surprised they're hot, with no wind like that, at this tempo, even at this altitude
Cold is just a matter of clothing. In my time (1980) the field bottle was made of metal. It was often icy, but snow always helps with thirst. Respect from Finland.
Great stuff! suspect that the smaller wirey guys have an advantage over the big hulking guys because of the oxygen deficiency.
thanks Jack for being a loyal supporter. i have always seen the small guys do well. tend to break less, hump more than expected and move quick. Big muscled up guys often break when humping lots of gear. The movies have it were that is the norm but not what I have seen across lots of related activities. Heck, all of the super duper SF guys I ever met, Delta types, were total Dad bod models.
@@JamesonsTravels haha
In my experience, that is not the reality once you put weight on their backs and the larger guys also train cardio. The type that only lifts at the gym and therefor has little to low cardio abilities generally dont even make the lower effort intakes, let alone special forces.
@@JamesonsTravels hey guy, I like your vids. I am a Seabee from Desert Storm and I would tend to agree with your assessment. I am a big guy and while we tend to have massive strength right now, we typically do not have the endurance of the skinny guys. My dad was one of the first seals, when they split from UDT and talking to him and his friends, my dad blew thru seal training and he is a 6'1" skinny guy. Talking with the guys that my dad worked with at the railroad, he would work 4:1 compared to them and be running while doing it. Thanks again for the great vids.
@Krister L yep people always underestimate skinny guys as being weaker when it’s all in the muscle fibers.
Wierd to hear them speak english among eachother. Norwegian specialist soldiers are among the best. Do not forget we were the absolute last pulling out of Afghanistan together with US with our field hospital at Kabul airport
So it was the Norwegians fault the country fell?
@@jayman7752 Norwegians slaughtered terrorists while Americans were kept neutered by vagina leadership and insane rules of engagement.
Tusen takk...
@@mightylad2197 when I was there in 2012 your Parliament had really cut down on what you guys where allowed to do. The fellas I spoke to seemed eager to be doing more
@@jayman7752 yeah mate, sorry about that one. 😉😂
I grew up there and was stationed there for 1 year (not in the recon unit), but this is in the summer so it isn't that cold. But during the winter its normal to see temperatures around -30c, that's a completely different story, and you gotta take avalanche risk into account in addition to everything else.
I definitely wanna see more of the Nordic recon for sure. I loved Norway and miss it tremendously. Beautiful country and awesome people!!
Good of you to make a point of the risk of hypothermia. Thirthy years ago I experienced that during a hike to Glittertind, the second mountain in Norway at 2 452 meters (approx. 8000 ft.) When I started the trip at 1100 meter (approx. 3600 ft.), it was a sunny day in July, and the temperature was 25 degrees Celsius. Although wearing just a T-shirt, I got sweathy, and when I was just a couple hundred meters away from the top, within a short moment the moutain top got wrapped up inside a cloud. Within minutes I reached the top, and started descending again, so in total I spent perhaps 15-20 minutes inside that misty cloud. Although I got back into the sun, I was now so cooled down I was almost shivering. This lasted the entire trip back to the hotel where I was staying (1,-1,5 hour), and didn't loose it's grip till I got into a steamy shower for 5-10 minutes. I was only 17 years old back then, and lacked basic knowledge about hypothermia. Nowaday I take much more reprecautions before I go hiking, and rarely go any hiking in the mountains without additional set of woolen clothing.
What about those 21 Chinese extreme sports runners who froze to death in May 2021?
Mother Nature takes no prisoners unless you treat her with respect.
Haha, I was biking from Lillehammer and up to Sjusjøen just in my T. It's nowhere near as high, but when I got up there, the weather suddenly shifted and a hail storm came in. God, I've never been so cold in my entire life lol! And I don't think I've biked faster home either.
A lot of people don’t know what hypothermia is or what it’s like. Especially in California. Just watch some of the stupid stuff they make in their movies. It’s no wonder they have screwed up ideas about putting women in combat. Imagine a woman on this mission. 😖😆
Yes. Enjoying your reviewing his Channel! Thanks. 👍
What a stud. Looks like some good stuff.
Did cold weather training in Norway. US marines I wasn't special forces or anything .30 days above the artic circle in 1993 .Nothing this hard but I really enjoy it! 😉 I really enjoyed meeting people in Norway. Good people 👍
Im a Norwegian and have some experince in that terrain my self, and different mountains, i would 100/100 prefer the cold than jungle. Body heat is key, clothing is for when youre static.
Can a non native Norwegian join the military? (Either as a combat soldier or a military doctor)
Yeah, heat is alright but the humidity is what gets you in the jungle. Nothing ever dries up. In the cold, you still get alot of perspiration but the air is low on humidity and clothes dry quicker, which makes for an easier time managaging the temperatures.
Same here, winther is better than jungle. ;)
@@valhallaiamcoming1376 I think you have to be a Norwegian or Icelandic citizen to joint the Norwegian Army. Not sure about doctors and stuff.
@@valhallaiamcoming1376 The chance of that happening is slim to none. You'll need citizenship, which require residency of 7 years (work/study). Army will only accept 28 y.o. or younger. You'll also have to be an exceptional candidate at this point.
If you're asking if a Norwegian citizen of foreign descent is allowed to join, then the answer is yes.
Love that you featured the Norwegians. I could be biased, but these Vikings are about as tough as you get. Good stock 🇳🇴 Takk!
The tree line (tree free zone) in the scandinavian mountains varies from 3500 feet in the south to 2300 feet in the most northern area, above sea level.
I'm from Norway myself, I would love to see you do a continuation of this :)
Thanks for the comment. Magnus has a heck of a channel/
As a Secound Lieutenant of the Finnish Defense Froces I would most definitely take the hot over the cold. During my 347 days of training the temperatures varied from 86 fahrenheit to -22 fahrenheit. The cold just makes every single basic thing so much more diffucult in the woods. Especially the gear. In the cold you have to have a lot of clothes on but once you take a sprint or have to do some sort of physical activity you sweat like hell, and then when you stop and stay still for hours the hypothermia is definitely a threat.
@Krister L Yeah I agree that both extremes are horrible. I guess my opinion is biased due to the fact that it doesn't get really hot in Finland but it gets really cold so I haven't really experienced both ends of the spectrum.
@@Skerrry Did 5 years at the Army Ranger Battalion in northern Sweden, coldest temperature I experienced there was -45 Celsius. When I went to Iraq the hottest I experienced was 56 degress Celsius. My experience is that the human body can adapt to extreme heat better than it can adapt to extreme cold, but they're both 100% deadly unless you take the right precautions. It took like a month or so for the body to adapt to the heat, but once you were used to it, it was mostly a matter of not running out of water. Cold, on the other hand, is slightly trickier. The body itself can't adapt to it, but we can adapt with clothing and eating more calories to produce body heat.
TL:DR I've experienced both extremes and they both suck, and are deadly if not respected.
Participated in Battle Griffin '91 with the Norwegian Army. The Norwegians have the best hot field chow, hands down.
Thanks! It sure is a tough operation but altitude sickness is not something they have to worry about. The mountains over there aren't high enough. You have to go quickly above 2500 m (8200 ft) and not used to it to get altitude sickness. Back in my Alpine days, the guides used to say you will know whether you get altitude sickness if you get quickly over 3000m (btw, I never did and went up to 3800). The highest peak in Norway is below even 2500 at 2469 m and the peak they are climbing does not seem to be on the list of peaks higher than 2000 in Norway.
Yes, they briefly showed Istinden on the map. That's about 1.500m high. The hills are bare there because it's so far north, beyond the arctic circle. This looks like summer, and that can be pretty warm. I hiked there too, it's glorious. Rago national park further south looks like Yosemite just without the crowds!
I’ve seen some of the Norway SOFs in CQB work and they are well trained and talk just like this. Calm and clear. Respect
Greetings Jameson! I’m an American from New Orleans . I moved to Norway in 2020 to marry my Norwegian fiancée. I have hiked in areas near our home and I’m used to the flat and below sea level topography of New Orleans hahaha. Nevertheless I enjoyed my hikes in various cities in Norway. I must say though I did notice immediate differences in my breathing just walking up these trails. But! The cold I’m welcomed to it. It’s like someone who has been stuck in a house with no ac and walking into the gas station during summer who has the ac on full blast! I love it. I digress, I’ve been all over the west of Norway, south to the east borders of Norway, and as far north as Røros. There is a lot of different temperatures for each of the aforementioned regions of Norway obviously. The comparison is they all have “hills” but are mountains to my eyes! But of course the mountains are amazing. We drove through them from Bergen all the way across Norways west to the east side. Wonderful view and hiking. I love your content, keep up the good work!
so you and i understand sea level and humidity. that is one thing for people to get used to but the evaluation adds a unique level of suck to breathing.
So, as a Dane (norwegians and danes are almost identical.. 😆)
Just a curious question.
What were the BIGGEST, cultural differenced you experienced when moving to Norway?
@@SortenRavn right? I need to know these answers. She also has to be hot, to move that far Iol.
More than half of Norway is above the Arctic Circle. I'd love to see more of this - one side of my family is Norwegian.
❤️Norway 🇩🇰
@@gabrieljohannson6777 🇳🇴*😉
Less than half in area, about 1/10 in population.
Magnus is hardcore man. The climbing he does is insane. Good to see him getting some love
his stuff looks bad ass. not the normal pranks and fem male youtuber.
@@JamesonsTravels Exactly. Everything he does is technique. It's all about teaching how to solve the problems(Climbs). He does a video where he climbs every wall in a gym in one session and I just couldn't believe it. He not only knows how to solve the problems but he can do it all in one sitting. I watched this video recently and I didn't know he did similar videos with other units. I think he has done like 2-3 of these videos now with high tier units and it just makes me smile. He may not do the shooting part but he can do a 36 hour straight mountain hike. I appreciate you reading my comment. Keep up the hard work brother
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Yes he is :) we love him.
All right! Two of my favorite channels TOGETHER! Magnus has a great channel. I watch it a LOT and I don't even climb!
I recently watched a long interview between Jocko and a British SBS soldier. He was former Arctic Recon, and said that Arctic Recon in the British army had, when he was in, a 100% success rate for SAS/SBS selection. It must be pretty damn tough.
Respect from Sweden
When I was stationed in West Germany back in 1989 with D. Co. 6/6 Infantry, our platoon went through Platoon Confidence Training in Bad Toltz, the German alps for 10 days. Froze my butt off but good training.
Wow i too back in 83 spent a month in Bad Tolz with B Company 1/15 3rd Infantry ( it was volunteer training so it was only about 20 of us ), the 1st sign we saw when we got there said LEARNING TO DEAL WITH PAIN IS LEARNING TO DEAL WITH LIFE and with that I said to myself this place is going to be fun. lol it was good training though.
You recall if that sign was still there ?
@@dreamsofsnow6521
I don't remember, it may have been. I remember the SF & Ranger tabs over the school's name.
@@jivetalk1045 ....... yeah I believe that's the one , Part of the reason I asked Is I actually still have a picture of the sign and the compound that I took with a throwaway camera that I kept in my pocket .Anyway thanks for the reply and take care
@@dreamsofsnow6521
Take care of yourself to my brother.
I live in the mountains of Colorado and the word your looking for is tree line and at least in Colorado our tree line is around 11’000 feet, another reason he might find himself feeling hot at high altitudes is that your just simply closer to the sun and it’s radiation. Believe it or not skiing on a sunny day might require more sunscreen than going to the beach in the middle of summer. Hope this info helped anyone who didn’t know keep making great content Mr. Jameson
Yeah please part two! Nice to see you check out the ol' homeland!
Arctic Warriors of the Alaska Army National Guard Scout Battalions were the best. Regularly operated in -50 to -70 degrees SAR missions. Sadly they no longer exist.
Yes! Keep going with this please. Good stuff
mountain sickness is rarely a problem i norway. highest mountain is just a litle more than 8000 feet. but its a lot of rough mountains on the westcoast because you start allmoust at sealevel and steep trails.
As being from the northern parts of Norway..this look for me like early June.. that ain't no winter time for us.. shame they didn't show what they go true in the winter time.. this is summer time
@Acca Dacca yeah, its kinda ahrd for other countrys to understand it..even hard for norwegian from oslo to understand it
Norwegian here who served in the same area they are located. Coldest dips below 40 degrees Celsius through november-march.
The treeline is much lower in the North compared to closer to the equator due to the oval shape made by the rotation of the earth, the more north\south you go relative to the equator, the less oxygen there is in the atmosphere.
This is why around the equator you can see trees and heavy vegetation covering mountaintops and such.
Ya’ll seen Vikings on Netflix right.
Scandinavians are bad ass.
2 of my favourite channels in one video I love it
I prefer the cold 🥶, not to be picky but the helmet on top of the Bergen is a dead giveaway if you get skylined
Not bergen, Norrøna, much better. 😉😆
Istind, the mountain they climbed, is 1455meters above sealevel.
Also definetly prefer the cold. Easier to dress for. Might help that i went to the Norwegian armys winter warfare school.
Great video, man!
There are less people in Norway than in Manhathan (half the quantity)... imagine how hard it could be to form a full army and, them, select it's elite to form an special squad like this. If quantity makes quality, this guys are real magicians. Cheers!
30 years ago, almost all men in Norway had 12 months of military training. and nowadays women also do military training. After 12 months of training we were dismissed and only did annual training, so the numbers can be "quite" higher than the number of active soldiers in the army. Beside our terrain is made for guerrilla tactics, where a handful of soldiers can do a lot of harm and slow the enemy. So agile and hidden warfare can outlast a large, visible and slow enemy. But we are a defensive nation, with some special forces that are trained in doing attacks. We could never invade and conquer Russia, but we can prevent them from invading us.
@@staalefo don't fell ill about it, because no one can invade and conquer Russia lol
I don't, we like to have social distance to other ;-)
The forest line is approx 200-500 meter in the northern part of Norway. The peak of Istind is 1455 MAMSL. I did my service in that area, and went on several "trips" (my unit never did excercises, that sounded much less fun). One night during one trip we dug down in the snow and slept in -42C in an emergency shelter, just to show us that we could. We are just ordinary people, serving 12 months of military duty, but (most of us) learnt how to dress to be outside when we were kids and that is valuable knowledge during military service up in the north during winter. And walking in trousers, a shirt and caps in -20C between the barracks and other buildings was normal.
Cold over hot any day. Canada representing.
Same, from Norway. The heat would really made me weaker..
From finland , Cold over hot any day
Quebec, Canada here. I'll take the cold any day too.
Magnus is great like his channel. I see these guys are pretty chill (no pun intended). Liked the series you did on my old unit - down under.
Snowy environments can never truly be tamed unless we deploy the mighty Bob Semple tank
I prefer cold all day. In the winter I wear jeans and short sleeve shirts in 10°F weather no problem.
I can swim in ice water for a good hour or two. Did cold weather training as a kid for hockey and other winter sports and my body is acclimated to 0°F-65-70°F max and then I feel like I'm melting like frosty the snowman.
Since norway is so high north, the actual altitude isn’t that high. It just seems a lot higher since there is no life because of the cold. The mountain they were on is only around 1400 meters above sea level.
The climb is significant though, since you start out so low. Is it 7 m.o.h.?
"No life"? That's definitely not right, but about the tree line...
It depends on the temperature, soil etc. (but mostly temperature) and considering there's a correlation between altitude and temperature; altitude will also have an impact on the tree line.
As you pointed out; the climate is colder in Norway and thus the tree line will also be at a lower altitude. In other words; the further you go towards the poles; the lower the tree line; generally speaking of course. In the far north of Norway the tree line is even only as high as the sea level due to the lower temperatures. In the Netherlands, Denmark and Germany; where you have the Frisian Islands this is also the case, but not due to temperature (nor altitude), but due to the salinated soil, heavy coastal winds and tides.
Maybe this is what you meant, but I think this is a bit more detailed.
Well, that information is wrong. We have 234 mountains in Norway that's 2000m or higher. If you look at a map over Norway, you'll see mountains from the south and all the way up north, called Nordryggen.
@5.57 when he says "what do we if we get shot at... what it called do we return fire" I think it was him processing what he was wanting to say in Norwegian and then saying it in english.
I was in the Swedish ranger company I22. Located above the polar circle. We were out on a 14 day exercise when the temperature dropped to minus 52.5 degrees celcius (126 Fahrenheit) We lived in tents during those conditions for four days, then the temperature dropped to minus 48C (118 F) I remember it felt warm and cosey...
Out of a year, we spent more than 80 days in the mountains and forest. Our task was to act selfindependent, deep inside enemy territory.
pretty sure you've got your F's mixed up, Fahrenheit and Celsius are the same at about -40.
ouch, great training but i bet you were glad to get back to a fire. i was in sweden 2019 september. loved the visit. great father is from there. I am swedish and norwegian and wanted to spend some time there again in 2020.
@@Phailzone Well, I don't think i messed it up. We don't use Fahrenheit here so I did check it out in a converter. It said,
-52.5° C = - 126° F
and - 48°C= - 118.4°F
-40° = 104° F
@@JamesonsTravels
Nice.
Yes. I remember that when we came back to our regiment we walked around in our wollen socks. No need for boots since the air and snow was so dry. It's also good to pre-heat the air when you breath, with a neoprene filter.
Take a road trip if you come back. You can stop mor or less wherever you want to set camp. If you go north. I'll recomend Västerbotten area. Places like Kittelfjäll and the national park Sarek. 90000 lakes so you are never without freshwater. If you like to use a canoe or kayak. There is 45000ish islands in the archipielago.
Welcome 🍻
@@biotribe123 your not quite correct... as an example 52C is 125.6F.. but -52C is -61.6F... so yeah F is scaled: T(°F) = T(°C) × 9/5 + 32. Cool story though and Crazy cold!!
I was Infantry recon for quite some years while in the US ARMY. Considering how much we train and hump in and around disgusting terrain I have the full confidence Id be able to achieve this. Of course it will difficult but it isn’t impossible. As far as a down helicopter mission. Planning isn’t done deliberately, it’s a hasty COA with a cover and concealed route and you hurry till you reach the Grid-square in which the down pilot is in. Once you reach it you pinpoint on the map where you are to orient the team to the direction of the DP within the grid square and you walk in a wedge until in view of DP. You have to understand you are fighting time during a DP mission. The quicker you arrive the chances are someone is alive. I love this stuff and enjoyed all my years of service.
The only thing I know about Norway is that they produce some awesome heavy metal bands.. 🤘😁🤘
Magnus uploaded a training video with these guys, a must watch.
Not for the same thing, but my oldest is going to Norway for deployment for a couple months in October.
I'm happy that US is more in Norway for training, I know its among some controversial about the american rotary contigent that swap to do cold weather training among other things, you are our closest allied, ofcourse you are welcomed :-)
It actually can get quite warm in that area during the summer.
During the year, the temps range from 82f to -22f.
There are a few bases scattered around the basin of that mountain, a lot of American and British troops there too.
I spent 9 months at Setermoen when I was in the military, this must be shot during the summer as there is hardly any snow. We had several different countries that came to us to train.
I was stationed there in 2009, and was sent up that mountain during basic training (following a far less technical route along the ridge opposite to the one shown here) You can't go anywhere near that mountain without proper experience during winter, because of the avalanche hazard.
@@TheVaff3l I know, it's hard up there, we got caught in a blizzard and had to be evacuated by the belt wagons after digging us first a showcase, then a snow pit... I managed to get frost damage, still hurts when the cold weather hits me today...
It looks amazing. I watched trainings of Polish Grom and Formoza and this is another extreme. These people and their Arctic training requires endurance, navigation skills and strong mentality few people possess.
Norway is not really high altitude area ,but i assume that they likley always start at sea level. In the alps you are at higher altitude and thinner air most of the time but you start on a certain level. At the end you may end with the same amount of vertical distance.
The mountains here aren't that high that you risk alt sickness. But the terrain is pretty rough at times. This video was shot during summertime as it is far north and still light outside. The winters up there are dark and brutal, but wouldn't make for a good youtube video.
2:15 the forrest in Norway with the highest altitude is at about 4500 feet in Jotunheimen
I used to be stationed at that base. On one of the walls on one of the buildings it says, in Norwegian of course, "hell isn't warm, it's freezing."
And Setermoen is a special kind of hell, second only to Skjold. The base is in a depression and the river bends around, creating this area with extra cold and extra humidity. Killer combo for the artic winter. I have experienced several degrees difference between the base and Bardu witch is like half a mile.
I remember one time it was -39,5C (outdoor exercise limit was -40C) and on our way to the shooting range the lieutenant asked "Are anyone cold?" If course one imbecile responded "YES, LIEUTENANT!" "ok, then we jog to the range." Everyone had starting frostbites even though it is not a long trek and no-one cared about hitting their targets.
EW Coy 93-94
@@bajorgensen Never expect sympathy from your instructors hahah
The wife's cousin is Polish but part of this unit in Norway- He is a monster and one scary dude. He spoke about a mission they did to knock a terrorist
We need a part 2 for this ASAP!!! also Magnus has 2 more videos with these guys… one is next day Strength test & A obstacle course challenge! 🔥💪 would be great to get your reaction to that!
Anything to do with artic training would be appreciated.
magnus by himself is already a beast.. really hammers down the fact the required mental and physcal strength is insane
I grew up in the arctic in the mountains and had my training with a unit operating north of the polar circle, so it feels a bit strange when people say it’s an extreme environment to operate in. But I guess you’re always going to struggle if you’re from elsewhere, just as I struggle immensely in jungle environment.
Well said
True, but as you well know the room for error is so much smaller up there. In -40 and howling winds even losing your mittens could mean mission failure or a lot worse.
@@Kraakesolv yes, that why units operating in these areas are extremely meticulous about how soldiers take care of their equipment. Then again, survival training is also important.
@@Jonsson474 been to the arctic quite a few times and for me the logistics and supply is very hard to plan.
Hey there!
Love your channel! Its educating and fun to watch.
As for Magnus and the norwegian arctic recon training I can tell all the viewers a little about the location. I used to live in the area.
It was filmed just north of a little town called Setermoen, where the Norwegian Army has a large base. They are located just shy of 69 degrees North. Almost 500 km north of the arctic circle. In this area the tree line is only a few hundred meters above sea level. Somewhere between 200-600 meters is common in this area. depending on the local topographic conditions. Even though there is some snow in the video it was filmed in about mid to late summer, as you can see from the green foliage down in the valleys. The lack of steam from peoples breath also gives away the air temperature. It is definitely above 0 degrees, and perhaps as high as about 10-15 degrees Celsius. which would be common summer temperature.
Would be interesting to see you do a part two of this video and give your interpretation of the training.
All the best!
Regards from Norway!
K
I feel like the Norwegian army should help Denmark train soliders in arctic warfare, so that we can defend Greenland if necessary...
Don't they already do that? Also we do train in artic warfare
@@blueeyedpunk They used to do it but not sure now with the Covid-19 roaming around. Btw who would like to invade Greenland the logistic would be a nightmare.
@@jtkfox4717 I think it's more of a matter of control over Greenland and the surrounding sea. You won't have to control all of Greenland for that. So logistical speaking it could be feasible.
I can see one of the danish parties have talked about increasing the military and also buying things that can be useful for defending Denmark and the danish commonwealth
@@blueeyedpunk Denmark only has to deploy two or more submarines in the area and they would make it hard for any enemy ships to stay around Greenland.
I assume that Denmark has U-boats and has upgraded it. And I bet that they would also place some SAM Sites on that very small Island far out in the sea. :D
@@thurah8854 Alot of precious metals there for sure along the west coast.
I did Artic training at the Northern Warefare Training Center, I thought it was tough, but exceptionally good course.
Magnus here is a BEAST when it comes to climbing.
This seem to taken in spring / early summer (Mai/June). Almost no snow and too good weather.
Good stuff JT! Will you react to Mr. Ballens video titled "Navy Seal goes Rogue in Iraq" please! It's a rollercoaster ride! Thanks bro
@ Jamesons Travels. that mission that cost us 22 seals was on a helicopter call sign Extortion 17 the mission was called Lefty Grove.
Norwegians are a different breed
I've never been in any special forces, but I have been in the Norwegian army. Some of the things he says is actually a good point. One of the most dangerous things about getting tired and demotivated, is you stop looking hard for enemies. You feel so powerless after a while, that you turn irrational.
I would definately go for arctic warfare vs. tropical warfare, because I know how to dress for cold weather, and I know the basics on how to survive the cold. I was in two weeks of training excersise with around -20 degrees celcius every day. You learn so much from that. Small actions that can save you from freezing up. Like having a small shoe brush on you, and completely remove the snow with it, before you enter a warm tent, will save you from getting wet. Because suddenly you have to rush out from the tent, and if you're wet in -20 degrees C, you will not last long.
US Marines come to Norway every year, or every 2 years (dont remember anymore) to learn arctic warfare from us. One of the most important lessons is what to wear. From this experience I am having such good time going out in the forest in the winter. Many of my buddies who dont know how to dress for winter have such bad times, and I just sit there with a big smile on my face. Warm and dry :D
as a norwegian who actually did my service up in that area of norway, i would love for you to make a video on norwegian GSV... (Garnisonen i Sør-Varanger) its the border patrol guarding against the russian border, they have the best hunter programs in the world.. i was a k9-handler
The tree line stops at about 1000m or 3300 feet. Been on the top of Istiden, its a nice hike and the view on top there is nice.