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Cheering for #burqa and #Hijab will end all objectification and marginalisation of women. Throw in four wives, instant triple talaq, nikah halala and genital mutilation, and we have a truly liberated feminist society.
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Arif Mohammed khan is as much icon as APJ Kalam…. He’s been saying the side effect of Shah Bano case will be like ever since then… it’s set a really bad precedent in society
@nish I believe that communalism shudnt come to Schools. Besides, hijab is not a progressive practise. If tommorow a god says that woman shud remain chained all the times then does that mean we shud allow women of that religion come to schools n colleges chained condition ? If u say yes, then there is no point in arguing with irrational person
“for great men, religion is bullshit; small people make religion seem like as of it is the most important thing and even use it as a fighting tool” -Me
Can 🇮🇳 and 🇵🇰 coexist ?, YES, Indians ONLY have to take some measures as suggested in a video on following link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html b because Pakistan is already doing its bit by looking after religious places of Hindu community even in Islamabad as shown in this video on below link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html
Creating Muslim personal law board was the biggest blunder of independent Indian history after Kashmir, making mockery of the constitution. With that one stroke of liberal, secular Congress, it made half of the Muslim population just slave objects, taking away the equality and protection from Indian constitution. Shah Bano case put final nail in the coffin for muslim women. Story about camel in the tent must be imbibed on all of us, so that we never forget the lesson. UCC is the only way to fix this mess.
It was strongly apposed by Ambedkar as he wanted uniform civil code embedded in constitution from the very first day. But Congress leadership didn't agreed.
@@syedamjadulla7464 Atleast RSS dont go bombing people like certain isis, boko haram, let, etc. I bet you people want india to become islamic country and follow sharia rule.
When Uniform cannot be mandated in schools, then UCC is long way. Shame on Politicians and Celebrities milking this issue, just because they hate every other party or Ruling BJP.
Thoughts on this. I think I have got the solution. Let women come in their Hijab (only Hijab and not burkha) If anybody harasses these women, punish according to the Constitution. Open a new argument wherein you prove with stats and data that it's a fact that Muslim women wearing hijab are exposed to more conservativism, less freedom and are under male dominated patriarchy. Let women decide then.
@@jam-ss2jc When exactly have women decided for themselves, particularly of the Muslim community ? Your suggestion is good, buddy. But, not at all feasible. Little girls are trained to become accustomed to it and it is always because men want it that way.
There was time when female activists (feminist) in Iran laid down their lives fighting against the Hijab and now comes a time when Hijab is normalised in the name of political correctness.
There was a time when Indians fought with British for freedom. After independence voted for Secularism. But from last few years started voting for Communalism in the name of Political correctness. Why you want to drag Iran when Indian constitution is applicable for India and not Iran.
Let the young girl apart from such restrictions. We have many friends who don't like such restrictions before marriage. Don't know who are these female activists, as this is election time.
My own sister has been coerced severely into wearing the hijab. Most girls are emotionally or physically forced into the hijab but they will never admit it to outsiders because of some sense of loyalty to their religion.
Appreciate your courage to admit the reality dear. I personally think that wearing burqa or hijab it is against Human rights of women.what sin have they committed to hide themselves from rest of world. I think it is up to young people like you from the community to atleast stand against this and support your family women.
I can marry your sister and maker her hindu, no need for hijaab ever? Reply me bro, i am a good match for your sister, never burqa nor hijab. Will even allow bikini on your sister too
@@helcurt2509 Firstly who are you to allow her to wear anything or not?... It's her choice if she wants to wear a particular type of cloth, whatever she wants to wear in Public places & you should respect that. That pretty much tells you that you're not good, not only for his sister but even any other sister.
Then blame who for the coerced behaviour of your family or simply your single dimensional understanding of the Islam I fail to understand these self proclaimed knights under a misogynistic mind set
In my opinion Classroom is the most sacred place on this planet and everybody must fight to keep it free from caste, religion, gender, race or any political ideology.
Sikhs with Turban & Kara and Hindus with Tilak, Threads & Choti which are not the part of dress code of any Schools, Colleges & Offices but people had no issues ever bcs when we believe in co-existance, we respect and let people practice their religious beliefs as constitution allowed and protected. I think, this isn't tough to understand!
@@Omarism how many hindus? Did you encounter ?? And show me one pic from before 1992 where indian muslim woman wore hijab or burqa, go ahead and look at pics of everyone your won't find any
@Sharat Sundar it's the left media politicising an issue where a small school in Udupi restricts a veil well within their right. We're not making the issue we're talking about the one that's already been over politicised. PS: In 2019 Kerala Muslim Educational Society which controls 150 schools banned the hijab or any veil in all their schools. No one made an issue of it. Because it's Kerala after all.
@@Omarism threads are worn by muslims too no one is opposing it neither is anyone asking to have a singular haircut. For Sikhs turban is a compulsary practise
When I was in school, I was once denied entry to classes because I was wearing pants that did not confirm to school uniform standards. It did not seem like I am being denied my right to education. No one in our class used to be in hijab or ghungat. Is this changed lately in our "secular" India? Does Quran now overrides school policies and code of conduct rules?
All this debate over sitting with Hijab inside the classrooms is uncalled for. Religious Fundamentalism as Mr. Gupta says will ensure that if this is allowed for one side now, just a few days later something similar would be coming up from some other side. Educational institutions should be left alone for teaching and UNIFORMS should be the common thing for everyone. Nothing more nothing less. Kids should relate to each other as their peers and not “The Others”. The school should be the place to get education and not practice one’s religion. Religion is personal and we need to keep it personal. 25-30 years ago there never used to be Muslims girls in Co-Education schools at least in Lucknow (UP) with all this hijab stuff and I feel this has a lot to do with the Saudi Wahabbism that has influenced Indian Muslims over the last 2-3 decades. All this is not needed. “Religious Fundamentalism is bad, regardless of which religion it comes from.” “Modern Societies Don’t Need Religious Fundamentalism.” Nice Episode Mr. Gupta 👍🏻
Wahabism and salafism has taken hold of Indian muslim community particularly in Kerala. Most of their public speeches are so filled with hate towards polytheism and even Catholics. Now the right wing hindu and Christian extremists are spreading these videos to polarise people which they are successful in so many ways.
@@vishnusanthosh4594 Yes. However, the ex-Muslim movement also has gained pace in Kerala and it is bound to spread across India - On top of it, with wIth the Internet, it is going to be accessible to the illiterates as well.
@@vanithav7339 yes and also the translation of Quran and Hadis from Arabic to English and other local languages, some of the Hadis are just pure hatred but some of the muslims don't consider these Hadis as divine but these salafi and wahabi does recognise it
That's a nice POV. I think this regression is consolidated within a very small patches of the Muslim community. I personally have so many Muslim Friends and they have never showed me their violent sides nor they talk of violence. And they have good reasoning....... But these chaps, I dunno where they get there motivation from.
Quoting a verse from Qur'an and demanding Court to abide by the islamic law bruh what is this guy smoking This is neither a Islamic nation Nor does it follow Sharia law
Listen mr joker " under the right of freedom of religion" the indian constitution Safeguard's basic tenets of all religions and hijab is one of those tenets thats what he wanted to prove by stating that quran verse
@@byron-ih2ge it holds good only as long as it doesn't infringe on other rights stated in the same constitution. When there is collision, it is the law of the land which should be held higher
4 wives in hijab are simultaneously upholding the rights of women for personal " *choice* " !!! What a Stockholm Syndrome of choice !!! Bravo feminism of half witness worth !!!
@@ahmedrizwan7847 so why you support very regressive burqa practice as freedom of choice & try to normalise these extremely bad practice. Or you think it's progressive......?
Wondering if hindu mothers are looking at the fact that their boys are coming on streets to tell girls what they can wear to enter a place of so called educational institution. This is your up bringing? So you have agreed to this occupation of his? If you don't discipline him now or correct him now , you will face the same treatment tomorrow.
Thoughts on this . Let women come in their Hijab (only Hijab and not burkha) If anybody harasses these women, punish according to the Constitution. Open a new argument wherein you prove with stats and data that it's a fact that Muslim women wearing hijab are exposed to more conservativism, less freedom and are under male dominated patriarchy. Let women decide then.
@@jam-ss2jc hijab is not even indian muslims thing, they started only in1992 from Kashmir and later when people returned from gulf. Look at all the pics from past of Muslim women you won't find hijab there
@@VivekSingh-mu1wc Jeans and t-shirt are not an "Indian Hindu" thing, they started in late 70s from the west and earlier when people returned from trips abroad. Look at all the pics of the past of Hindu men you won't find jeans there. There, corrected it.
@@shubs3566 False equivalence! Hijab and Burka are display of in-your-face religiosity and violation of uniform policy. I don't think schools allow jeans if it violates uniform policy. Teens wearing Hijab or jeans in public or at home is their fundamental right. Some temples and Churches have dress codeas well for understandable reasons. Muslim wearing saree or salwar kameez was common in earlier generation. Comparing jeans to Niqab or Burka betrays intellectual duplicity.
When Shah Bano case happened, I was a young girl.I could never understand Rajiv Gandhi's logic for usurping the supreme court . Your videos give perspective. Thank you.
I will repeat my earlier comment all religions are fundamental in their political manifestation, which is a creation of humans. All religions are inclusive at its spiritual level, which is a creation of God. One needs to understand a woman's rights in Islam to understand the Shah Bano case. Islam gives women right on their property (earned by them or their inheritance). Husbands cannot force wives to use their money for their family, including their children's upbringing. All that is the husbands respinsibility. Mehar is an amount fixed at time of marriage which women get when they get married not when they are divorced. Today the Mehar goes in lakhs in well to do families. Alimony is not a rule in Islam to balance the above. Makes sense?
@Pierre In A marriage in Islam is not a social or spiritual bond like in other religions its a Contract that 2 people agree to with witnesses. It's such a modern/futuristic concept that even in today's world that it is hard to accept. Mehar is not dowry its an amount that the husband has to pay as part of the contract. It's written up as a contract. The conditions of talaq which is the annulment of the contract from either can also be agreed in the marriage contract. Problem is that very few Muslims know or can express this concept and those who know do not want to discuss in a still patriarchal society. You misunderstood and were probably looking for flaws. I did not say that kids don't belong to the husband only. It only says that the finances needed for their upbringing is the fathers responsibility. Possession of Kids is given based on their best interests as any modern court would do. Everything that is old is not out dated. This notion of yours probably comes out of a perception rather than study.
@@Leo-hd5dz Can 🇮🇳 and 🇵🇰 coexist ?, YES, Indians ONLY have to take some measures as suggested in a video on following link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html b because Pakistan is already doing its bit by looking after religious places of Hindu community even in Islamabad as shown in this video on below link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html
@@mahendradev2756 Can 🇮🇳 and 🇵🇰 coexist ?, YES, Indians ONLY have to take some measures as suggested in a video on following link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html b because Pakistan is already doing its bit by looking after religious places of Hindu community even in Islamabad as shown in this video on below link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html
The Sad thing is the true Islamic nations are getting more and more progressive and here people are getting more and more regressive. Like is Hijab necessary for education? Why don't Muslim guys wear Hijab at school? What's the need of that ? Is your clothing your identity?
And what is your problem with headscarf? Covering the headscarf is sin. My brother if you think hijab is one of the problems that distract other student or violate any rules or some fundamentalists have inflicted it on muslim girls then what is the best way to dispose of hijab. The more girls study the more independent they become. With the study they will certainly do away with it moving forward. But on the contrary if you force someone that will have adverse effect. One more question, will you be able to remove turban which is used by sikh brothers, oh I forgot, the most disciplined section in india, indian army, it is there allowed too.
@@communicateeffectively2737 Sikhs should get extra rights in India coz they didn't partitioned our country , neither did they get any seperate country for themselves after independence. But mūslīms did. They got Islamic republic of Pakistan for themselves , who's constitution doesn't give rights to non-Muslims , it's a country only for mūslīms. So mūslīms in India shouldn't get any extra rights , uniform in school should be same for all but we can make an exception for Sikhs coz it's the only place they got that is India.
@@communicateeffectively2737 Problem is that you follow school rules or join a religious schools. You give space and time to offer prayers in schools will be next demand. Don't you have the loudspeakers 📢 blasting off prayers every morning. It is my right not to listen to prayers? I don't believe in a script which world over has massacred people of other faiths under excuse of Blasphemy...it is for a weak twisted script and shows mindset.
And when education is the focal point, why is it important to put unnecessary attention on who wears what as long as they're maintaining the modesty to the minimum! And it applies to everyone, be it a Muslim Hijab, Sikh Turban, Christian Cross, Buddhist or Hindu gerua scarf or not! Nobody is coming as a Nanga Sadhu or so that can be objectionable! Besides, if a hindu married girl is wearing sindoor and other stuff, how that will be treated? RSS-BJP just need to win by wooing and polarizing the fanatics more and more everyday.... and now more votes in UP!
@@bangguyraj why should muslims have any extra rights in today's India? Didn't they partitioned our country on the basis of religion where majority of Indian muslims also voted for in favor and only they got a seperate nation called Islāmic rēpūblic of Pākīstan where non-Muslims have no constitutional rights. Plus a 7th century desert cūlt won't decide the definition of modesty in 21st century.
Mesmerized how Shekhar sir was so unapologetic 😀. Yes, reforms for Muslims is hard in India as India is not Saudi Arabia. Here every change is looked upon as an attack rather than a reform keeping us backward.
@@soudipsanyal I don't think that's the truth. Saudi Arabia is more conservative than India. Saudis are just now opening up. You don't think Wahabist are not resisting changes there? Reform(change) attempts are considered as attacks, always, by conservatives
20:25 Nobody wears ghonghat in karnataka. Especially not in those costal areas where issue came from. Ghoonghat is Islamic influence on North india. South has less Islamic influence so no ghoonghats or parada
@@upamanyuray9383 what??? Rigveda 😂😂 give me proof. Even saw post rigvedic temples. The female gods or other women portrayed on it not even wearing complete saree..... The ghunghat, burkha, parda is complete islamic thing.
@@blackpole5936 if you were so keen, you would have looked for proof on your own. just search 'women during rigveda period', and see the images. And research on the marriages and attire of women during Gupta ages. The ghoonghat was a part of the saree attire worn by women, not necessarily an oppressive symbol. Furthermore it has been there in every abrahamic religion, islam, judaism and christianity - you will still see nuns in India wearing hijab type clothing. Although as Islam became more conservative and popular, the ghoonghat became a truly oppressive thing. Unfortunately the sudden right wave in india does not have the desire to delve in so much history
@@upamanyuray9383 don't go by paintings made by today's artist on rugvedic women. I just asked you give me proof written in rugveda about ghoonghat. The saree thing is very late almost 1000CE. So the ghoonghat started later than Gupta period. Till the Gupta period indian women wearing uttariya and mostly by rich women's. And others only hide their breast. The artist, narrators, tv serials, movies, novel writter made Sadi contemporary to rugvedic to Gupta period.
Kudos to the Print and Mr Gupta. Religious fundamentalism and patriarchy has cost lot to women and this liberals again siding with the fundamentalism will give a rise to new fundamentalism in Hindus too.
@Pierre In Can 🇮🇳 and 🇵🇰 coexist ?, YES, Indians ONLY have to take some measures as suggested in a video on following link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html b because Pakistan is already doing its bit by looking after religious places of Hindu community even in Islamabad as shown in this video on below link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html
“When you support fundamentalism on one side, it becomes the fuel for fundamentalism on the other side” - if there is one thing to take away from this episode (and possibly a guiding principle for public policy), it is this onw quote.
@@pksingh3232 Don't even call them liberals, If person calling claiming as liberal supporting Hijab & burqa in education, they are unfit call themselves as liberals.
.....but that scoundrel says love jihad affects hindu women but says nothing about the harassment they face after the fraud marriage by jihadi scoundrels
Uniform Civil Code is the only way out. Ban and repeal all personal religions i.e. Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Anand (Sikhs), Parsi acts. Goa has a Uniform Civil Code inherited from the Portuguese. I think it's worth the risk.
*Turbans and hijabs now officially part of US Army uniform* In USA 🇺🇸 Sikhs protested because US military required all men to keep a short clean haircut and no Patka/turban. 👳🏻♂️ *But after Sikh protested, they changed the rules.* Now you are allowed to wear turban 👳🏻♂️ and hijab 🧕🏾 in the US army. New regulations will allow soldiers to wear turbans, beards and hijabs in most circumstances unless the head coverings present a "specific, concrete hazard ... that cannot be mitigated by reasonable measures". They were welcomed by the Sikh Coalition. The rules say hijabs and turbans must be made from "a subdued material in a colour that closely resembles the assigned uniform" or, if the soldier is wearing combat gear, camouflage material. Personnel can be ordered to use fire-resistant cloth. An example of authorized hijab and turban wear with the Army Service Uniform (Source: Army Direction 2017-13) - "The material will be free of designs or markings, except that a Soldier wearing the Army Combat Uniform may wear a hijab or turban in a camouflage pattern matching the uniform," according to the directive.
This is what a half baked knowledge looks like, have you even read Goa's so called uniform code? It is riddled with exceptions and ambiguity. It has 0 implementation. Your Google knowledge makes me laugh.
@@helcurt2509 I didn't told to exactly copy the Goa Civil Code. It's not my Google knowledge. Don't assume things before I make any argument. I know what Goa Civil Code is as I have read it in detail about it. I suggested the Goa Civil Code as an example. Goa Civil Code could be adopted at the national level with changes/fixations/alterations etc or create a completely new from the base. And Goa Civil Code do have some problems or ambiguities but it still works. People of Goa use it more than than the separate religious ones.
You were right when you compared this incident with Shah bano case in your 50 word edit.👍👍 However this incident is just about wearing school uniform but some people are behaving like hijab, burkas are going to be banned from everywhere.
You cannot change uniform suddenly. It is like abstaining people to not get education. When you introduce it as part of new academic year, those who still want to wear hijab won't enrol because that ll be contentious issue for them and there the denial of right to education won't come into picture.
@Susan Joseph i don't think they care, because i don't see any counter protest from them. In fact i have seen some media reports where those protesting Muslim girls said that religion and hijab is first priority, they were openly saying these things to reporters on camera. I forgot the name of that media outlet.
It's quiet simple- Mullahs/ PFI want to naturalize burkha among Muslim women. They will argue in court that hijab is an essential part of Islam and that all muslim women are required to wear it. If they can convince the court then burkha (under the garb of hijab) will be worn to show that they are proud muslim. This will mean that every Muslim family will try to coax their girls wear the burkha or hijab and thus creating a perfect patriarchal society at the behest of the mullahs.
@Ashwin Varghese that's the problem with muslim community....they stick to their own kind and don't want to integrate both culturally and socially with other and then they will cry about being sidelined...
@@pikaase the so called "lower caste" people will be the only ones having problem with getting rid of caste system coz they are the only ones who get benefitted by this
@@pikaase Bro, i agree. But u know what its much more complicated. Even the lower castes dont want caste system go. Thats why many politicians from lower castes keep refering to themselves as "Dalits" to take benefits of reservation. Its like they say, "We have suffered for 2000 yrs so we will keep reaping benefits of reservation for another 2000 yrs or as long as it satisfies us" which means upto indefinite time period. So, both sides dont want this to go n also the muslims, communist/marxist dalit messaihs (not actual messaihs) n so on. So, there r political reasons also why caste system isnt removed. Do u reallg believe that dalit politician or a party wants caste system to be removed ? If it is removed how r they gonna ask dalits to vote for them ? How, muslims like Owaisi will say, "I fight for dalits n oppressed sections so vote for me" n so on
I feel so good after hearing this. I 💯 percent agree with the fact that no matter which religion/race it is; the extremists of those groups always Target the weakest/vulnerable people and most often it's the women. It pains me when women or anyone as a matter of fact, is compelled to do something or refrain from something. It always should be a person's personal choice(it just should not harm others). We all want to be free and make our own choices. I hope 🤞 that happens soon ☺️. Everyone has the right to be happy and enjoy life.
Thats not what he is saying. He is saying Burqa is a symbol of patriarchy and he hopes courts rule in favor of uniform, not Burqa. This is basically what Hindus and Hindu students of Karnataka are demanding.
If the country really wants to get progressive, religion should be kept completely out of schools and colleges at the least! Uniform civil code certainly seems to be the right way forward.
Yogi can wear attire of a particular religion by being in the office of Chief Minister of largest state of India representing 22 crore population. Sikh men can wear Turban in all institutions including Defense and Police department. Only Muslim women can not cover their head. What logic is this? This is just part of polarization on communal lines for garnering votes.
@@syedamjadulla7464 is there a uniform prescribed for chief ministers? Regarding Sikh men, they've it as a constitutional right. I don't think it should've been allowed, however, it is and there is nothing that can be done until the constitution is amended. If you look at my comment again, I've said that religion needs to be kept outside of schools, I haven't mentioned any religion in particular, I meant all of them. Please stop playing the victim card everywhere.
@@syedamjadulla7464 sikh community doesn't wear bomb on his chest and said allah hu uber and blast. Why taking only one part of sikh life while ignore good and truthful part. Agar afterlife mila na mujhe sirf hindu ya sikh ya buddhist and even christian hi religion mae born hone ki wish hogi meri . islam jaise radical religion m nhi
@@user-ny7sg9mz1v lol but no one is asking for manusmriti tho, not even 1% have en read it. In survey, majority of muslims want sharia so it should be granted and state enforced with no exceptions. Choice is very ambiguous, i support full burqa with only single eye visible through thin cloth. You think im joking but im not. Its best for everybody, if m's want reform then they themselves will speak when it's time, none of biz of any hindu like me.. triple talaq should be taken back.
This courage somehow totally disappears when talking about reservations. Where was this modernity when discussing the Supreme Court verdict on caste based reservations?
In my school days if we used to wear full pants instead of allowed half pants in summers, teachers used to cut the pant with scissor and make it half, that too in front of whole assembly or class. 😅 And now these kids are fighting to wear hijab or gamcha. Cmon teachers where are you? What happened principal ma'am?
Which is again stupidity. In India we have strange cut off dates for uniforms. I remember boys in my class used to feel so cold as winter approached but the full pant date hasnt come. Full pant is a much better uniform than half pant.
Exactly! I can give you so many instances when well educated muslim women have openly said that Hijab is a sign of patriarchy. But no muslims would come in support of these women. At least many hindus are supporting muslim women here but not a single muslim would support these women who have said about hijab being a sign of male dominated patriarchy.
Look even in many Muslim countries girls occasionally wear hijab except where it is compulsory, even in Pakistan urban cities girls don't wear hijab mandatory. Even in Iran wear hijab is Mandatory law, there many women protest against it wear just cover half head with shawl & half hijab. Saudi prince MBS made many reforms on women rights, Even removed mandatory burqa & hijab. Once in Turkey even hijab is banned. Even Bangladesh PM wear just saree. But in Countries Where Muslims are Minority like in India, UK were people enforcing majority muslim women wear hijab & burqa. And they say it is there religious & individual right to pratice.
Woow I will really have to get a placard or a banner for muslim sister here Get over your facade of this progressive mind set while you harbour but clear prejudices A damn piece of cloth is damning your thinking, as is visible that education, diversity, intolerance and actually freedom of choices have no place but clear set of hooliganism is appreciated, way to go brother Hijab is that big s problem for you while we reel under third world problems woow just woow
Can't express how I feel after watching this episode... Such beautiful explanation of the current status of the country... Every Indian should watch this...instead of blindly watching "TV news".. Great job Shekhar Sir & Team.. Big Big fan of your works ❤️🙏
After watching this episode, I realised why this CTC released after midnight. Thankyou so much Print for the rigorous research and efforts put in by the bunch of SG's young colleagues.. Special thanks to SG for this analysis.
SG says women should have the choice to marry a puncturewala 😂 Love jihad means exactly the opposite! Puncturewalas are deceiving and forcefully converting young (some times minor) Hindu and Christian girls into ☪️
"UNIFORM CIVIL CODE" till you are an Adult (18 yrs) is the solution (apart from matters that is practised by 100% in Religion) It's condescending to School an ADULT.. But it's everyone's interest to treat, teach and raise the next generation UNIFORMLY
Thank you very much Professor for putting things in perspective - the supporters of Hijab and supporters of Ghunghat are from the same side, not opposite sides. Thanks for seeing through. The way Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen were treated by UPA is also anti liberal. Liberals in India need to say this loudly.
Same side??? Who the hell wears ghungat that too in Karnataka? We are not the same...... We believe in equality.... At the same time we are deeply rooted to our culture and religion.. Some call it hindutva.... Its not what u think..... We are being religious but didn't disturb anyone.... Starting from our vijayanagaradynasty but we gave the befitting reply to those who mock us, (deccan sultanates)
@@manin4568 people wearing hijab also say "deeply rooted in thier culture" that's why they are wearing it, and some girls wearing hijab doesn't physically get in anyone's way either. You kinda proved the OP right, in terms of attitude you both are the same. You both use your culture as an excuse to maintain silly practices that are fundamentally illogical.
@@manin4568 you both are biased in your opinion. Vijayanagar established only in 1336. What do you think before that all were repressive. What about mauryan empire? Kushan Empire?Chola dynasty? Etc..... Vijayanagar empire is just a continuation of previous good rulers. I thought only tamils are more assertive and biased but now I'm seeing some from Karnataka too. Are all same in the South, regional nationalism above Indian nationalism.
Having low expectations and being afraid to challenge the Muslim community in the same way as Hindus, condemning the former to perpetual backwardness, is a key failure of Indian liberals. Not to mention forget ignoring Muslim issues, they even support backwards and traditionalist elements: doing a great disservice to fledgling Muslim liberals (anti hijab, pro reform and women etc).. these people they should support they actually hinder! This is why secularism is a joke in India and liberals are considered minority appeasers, no more: one standard for Hindus, a much lower standard for Muslims. Created resentment amongst the former, and perpetuates backwardness amongst the latter!
Educational institutions should be able to set and enforce uniform standards. It has got nothing to do with denying educational opportunities of anyone. Just comply the uniform code or find another institution. Don’t bing in religion inside classroom.
@Vi K hijab don't cover the face. It's only a loose piece of cloth. And today everyone is covering face with mask and they all r covering face with face mask.This shouldn't b an issue at all.
Articulation means nothing -- We need action and delivery - IAS officer can say very beautifully in English why he could not do any improvement in his tenure .. We do not want that .. We need action and less articulation.. Highly articulate Kolkatta is in ruins today. Where are not so well articulated place like Morbi is clock city of India.
Can 🇮🇳 and 🇵🇰 coexist ?, YES, Indians ONLY have to take some measures as suggested in a video on following link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html b because Pakistan is already doing its bit by looking after religious places of Hindu community even in Islamabad as shown in this video on below link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html
One of the best CTC till date. I was having same thoughts on shouldn't education be given more importance then cloths and one other hand why hijab practice is defended and ghoonghat discouraged wherein both are religious fundamentalism. SG literally gave structure to all the random thoughts and now it all makes sense. We need to ensure rights are defended but also work on reducing fundamental ideas for long term societal development.
@@ziaqazi41 during industrial revolution in Europe, Christianity went through a reform...black faith was removed During the 19th century Hindu society also went through reforms, Sati, Purdah and other blackfaiths were removed, much with stiff resistance from the Hindu society and even hindu women.. But Islam awaits such a reform, and such fundamentalist practices of Patriarchy should be done away with..
Can 🇮🇳 and 🇵🇰 coexist ?, YES, Indians ONLY have to take some measures as suggested in a video on following link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html b because Pakistan is already doing its bit by looking after religious places of Hindu community even in Islamabad as shown in this video on below link th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html
2 of my Muslim female colleagues fresh out of engineering colleges got jobs. In 6-7 months time, both of them were married off by paying 10-15 lakh dowry in cash. In 2 to 2.5 years both have 2 children each. We realize that their professional productivity will fall after pregnancy. This is their story and fate. Both of them were good team members. 1 them was very good professionally. 1 wore hijab. The other did not. Both of them quit job. End of Story for Muslim women.
Agree, the moment a woman gives up her financial liberty, it’s game over. Perhaps that’s how some people want to live that way but then they moan about everything, play victim and gain sympathy.
One major thing you deliberately skipped, SG! That, the Hindu's reaction to Hijab row (and earlier in Shah Bano case) is a push back, and not a permanent or long term regressive action. Hindu's are generally liberal and quickly get back to their usual open lifestyle...... Whereas, regressive and growing fundamentalist actions amongst muslim clergy and society/families, strangling female freedoms, is a long term damage to society. We will increasingly struggle with such extreme religiosity and become like Pak or Af in times to come. This aspect needs to be highlighted with full force by the media, by the leaders and in Public Discourse in general.
@KJP Raman If talking about strangling women freedom, there are a few cultures in the North where women are asked to veil. They aren't supposed to remove. Every culture has some repressive rules. Why target only one particular community? Aren't our dhongi babas and pujaris spreading hate and calling openly for genocide just like ISIS, al-qaida? Are they not fundamentalists just like other muslim fundamentalists? They want to make India only Hindu rastra by killing one particular community. Is that progressive thinking? Why is the head of the country silent on that disturbing issue? Didn't even utter a single word. Why? I don't even consider them Hindus. Hinduism doesn't preach hate mongering. We don't want our country to ruled by fundamentalists just like Hitler, Saddam Hussain, Gaddafi, Taliban etc. which is where we are heading. RSS goons beat up people on Valentine's day and are forced to marriage. Go in pubs and beat people create ruckus. Are above points not damaging society?
Even when citing examples of countries with damaged society, you have to consider Pakistan and Afghanistan. Can you name some Christian countries or Buddhism following countries or atheism following countries? The answer is that everytime the number of islamic countries with extremism will be higher and that's because extremism is embedded in this fanatic cult called islam. Progressive Muslim is an oxymoron as the scriptures leave no room for development of an individual or a society and is based on 7th century 💩💩.
Today onwards women's cricket team must allow women cricketers in Hijab too not in prescribed Indian jersey....coz A/T Gupta ji ...you can't deny her right to play just because of Hijab.... ये अलग ही दरबारी पत्रकार हैं
HIJAB is to recognise slave girl and muslim girl during profit mohmad time here is the verses of QURAN 33:59..."o prophet, tell your wives and your daughter and the woman of the believes to draw their cloaks close round them ( when they go abroad) that will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed, Allah is ever forgive merciful... So this quote give licence to the muslim men to make slave other than muslim girl... Ye jihadi sudarne wale nahi hain
This is the first time I am speaking up on this row and I want to say that I absolutely agree with you SG. If you want to end regression in one community, you cannot support it in another one. Using Quran to justify hijab alienates modern Muslim women like me. Those woman should be allowed to schools but on the grounds of right to choose and not right to practice a religion.
Someone gets the point, but you know what this time i really am afraid that if this judgement really allows hijab and calls it an essential part of islam, muslims girls of india will be doomed and so India with them.the judgement Will be used by the conservatives to assert that if you don't wear hijab you are going against Islam. I've always believed that for modern education to begin in a family 1st generation has to shed the personal identities that choice literally changes everything for the better
I agree. They should have the right to wear it. But not because religion mandates it but because they like it. Those court petitions are doing it all wrong
It can't be allowed to wear a hijab as a personal choice to a school or college if that place has a uniform mandated! Otherwise, the remaining students also have the right to wear what they need as their choice instead of the uniform.
That's not what we are discussing here. We are discussing if the reasoning behind it is acceptable or not. Court will take the final decision on entry to school
Very good analysis. You are one of the best neutral journalists from India. I as a Muslim second your opinion. The Holy Quran says "There is no compulsion in religion". Wearing hijab and leaving beard is good and appreciated by our religion and it is good if we practice it but it's not mandatory. So if anyone wears a cap or turban or burqa or leave beard, let it be their own choice. We must respect their choice . Religion is a very personal matter of a person. We should not impose our thoughts or beliefs to others. Thanks. Keep up the good work. Respect from Pakistan.
Nothing is being imposed. Religion is personal matter. YES.👍 Therefore one go schools/colleges for education not for religious practices. Therefore students should wear school/college uniform be it of any religion. They can wear/do whatever they want outside the school/colleges.
Appreciate your views. I have seen some handles in Pakistan that are narrating this whole incident as hindutva people terrorising muslim girls in India. The reality is nothing like that. These are teenagers who are passionate in their views. But the final call will be taken in the court as it should be.
Religion is not a personal matter. Personal matters are not written in 7th century Arabic books. It's a matter of groupism and conditioning. And when the conditioning becoming strong, it's translates into laws. So please dont think religion is personal. The only thing that's personal is what you say in your prayers. That's it.
I have done my schooling from one of the biggest school and a decent college as well. Not once did I see women in ghoonghat Or hijab in these institutions. Therefore, hijab women are not getting their education properly. You don't see hijab women in IITs, IIMs, etc. Meaning they're not free enough.
@Ismail Khan Accha, Tajikistan banned burqa in all public places similarly France and Switzerland. Can India follow these countries? For a long time, the custom has been that muslim girls can wear hijab between school and home, but they will keep it away during classes. Why do these muslim girls want to change it in the middle of school year? Hijab isn't a prescribed thing in Quran. Many muslims will agree with me that Quran only said these are good practices not compulsory. Also, hijab and burkha are meant for women safety in 7th century. What harm will these 21st century women feel if they attend classes without it? They have equated hijab to their identity and that a uniform without it to an attack on their faith. One of the girls even said "I was made to realise I am a muslim"... But no, it is you who are insisting that you are a muslim first and a student later. Only time will tell if this is good or bad for their own interests.
Totally agree with the opinions expressed. As a nation we have indulged so much into whataboutery that we fail to see reason in simplest of things. The way this whole issue is played out, it will simply entrench people more into their opinions.
As you are a Muslim, What is the general notion in your family, among your relatives or your muslim friend circle on the issue,, I asked cause I don't have any idea what an ordinary muslim thinks about the issue..
@@sagnikdebsarkar169 Bengali Hindu lost East Bengal, fled from there to save lives. But love Communist ideology, Great. Waiting for extinction in next 200 years ( low fertility rate than Wahabi fanatics).
What a brilliant insight on this issue!! I hope video gets shared to a vast majority because specially indian Hindus need to understand what they are supporting in order to show their wokenss is nothing but wrong ..if you support hijab that means you support ghoonghat pratha... which is equally wrong!
ghoonghat and hijab are not same omg 🤦♀️ Hijab is an essential practice of muslim women its just like a turban for Sikhs! we were it everywhere we go, it has been commanded by Allah to wear hijab for muslim women. Please get some knowledge and then comment
@@thatbadguy2899 "hijab is not essential practice" says the one who doesn't know anything about islam and regards islam as Saudi a country lol get yourself some knowledge mate 😉
*Turbans and hijabs now officially part of US Army uniform* In USA 🇺🇸 Sikhs protested because US military required all men to keep a short clean haircut and no Patka/turban. 👳🏻♂️ *But after Sikh protested, they changed the rules.* Now you are allowed to wear turban 👳🏻♂️ and hijab 🧕🏾 in the US army. New regulations will allow soldiers to wear turbans, beards and hijabs in most circumstances unless the head coverings present a "specific, concrete hazard ... that cannot be mitigated by reasonable measures". They were welcomed by the Sikh Coalition. The rules say hijabs and turbans must be made from "a subdued material in a colour that closely resembles the assigned uniform" or, if the soldier is wearing combat gear, camouflage material. Personnel can be ordered to use fire-resistant cloth. An example of authorized hijab and turban wear with the Army Service Uniform (Source: Army Direction 2017-13) - "The material will be free of designs or markings, except that a Soldier wearing the Army Combat Uniform may wear a hijab or turban in a camouflage pattern matching the uniform," according to the directive.
@@AJ-vu5gv US also allows gun posession. I do not need to tell you how bad the situation is due to this. India me bhi kr de kya guns allow !!??? So, better apply your brain before spamming a copied comment on every section. Insaan h, to kaahe ko bot bnna h tujhe.
@@harshb747 Why I am not seeing you are calling for ban on Mangalsutra, sindur wearing teachers in schools ? What Indians need is not same as what a bunch of RSS hooligans need. So shut up. Indian constitution ALLOWS every Indian citizen to wear any religious attire they want.
Educational institutions are not legal bodies that can regulate a citizen's right to practise religion. In such cases a person's constitutional freedom is paramount. Even Army in India can not stop Sikhs from wearing Turbans.
It is incredible that there’s an issue here. I have personally known a lot of girls (about 25-30 years ago) in western Maharashtra who went to missionary-run convent schools, which go by name St. Helena or St. Joseph where they would be sent back if they wore bindis or bangles or mehendi to school. It was (probably still is) absolutely banned in those schools. I have never heard anybody or any liberals having any issue with it!
@@Nuamsi why now? These girls were in uniform for years, so were they immoral until now? Muslim women wore burqa , hindus went with saffron scarfs, both were not allowed entry. It's same for all, This is just political drama to divide and rule.
@@anikasrivastava3320 hijab is the headscarf, all this issue started when the collage denied entry to girls who were wearing scarf even though the school dress code says Muslim girls can wear hijab of certain color :-)
Jinnah fought for Pakistan and in 1971, 2.4 million Bengali Hindus were slaughtered during Operation Searchlight. You are just a by product of a thousand years of invasions.
We live in a world where religion is so insecure that if you comment, ask questions - it has enough languishing pop heads to say they were offended. Many years ago it was forbidden to watch movies, tv, own and display photographs in Islam. Now many preacheres are on tv and on various social platforms. When did this change? Likewise is hijab. But qhen its convenient its about modesty and all that jazz. Both priests and politicians are crooks. And yet this is a non issue. Karnataka has much more significant and important issues to address this is not one of them.
why just Karnataka entire country is facing many severe issues like unemployment, poverty because of covid 19 This hijab burqa non sense is just waste of time
@kaiser masood Are you for real a Muslim? We are a very devout Muslim community and have never been "forbidden to watch movies, tv, own and display photographs" . Maybe you lived with Taliban. 😂 A request; don't add fuel to fire, please.
@@inscriptedgold9423 please go ahead and do a through check of your religion. Consult your priests as well. In Islam photography is forbidden. Hence, tv, movies - all come on the same category. When it comes to any religion i dont have to add any fuel. Fuel and fire are both plentiful in all religions.
problem is most of this issue are symptoms of a preindustrialised nation. if you see muslim majority nations like uzbekistan, azerbaijan, kazakhstan, albania, kosovo etc. they are very liberal modern progresive coz they undergone industrialization by soviet regime. if USA havent funded taliban, afghanistan today would be a liberal modern nation. infact some parts of syria were also industrialized by hafez al assad (ex prez of syria)
@@Pravar It's not because of industrialisation, USSR(which was atheist) destroyed religious conservatism in these country,it failed to do so in Afghanistan because of USA The country you said are not industrialised completely they still depend on raw material export for their economy
1). India is a secular country 2). Places of public education are public spaces 3). Uniformity must be there in dressing for all students. 4). Skullcaps and Hijab are not essential for Islam as Turbans are for Sikhs 5). If Hijab is allowed then so is bikini
Hijab IS ESSENTIAL as turbans in Sikhs. Are you kidding me? Do you have a degree on islamic knowledge? No then don't go on commenting about someone's religion you have no knowledge about.
Mr SG, all the religion has one or the other customs and traditions to be followed. Hindus have their own set of rules, Christians have their own and Muslims have their own. But the core principle behind School uniforms is that, once the students came to college, irrespective of their religion they should look similar. Tomorrow, some other student from some other faith will have some issues with the school uniforms. This mater will not end with Hijab. in the future muslim women may demand Naqab or the face cover also. Similar Thing happed in Kerala, no national media reported it. why only concentrate on BJP ruled states? Till December 31st, All the 6 students of Govt Girls' College c=attened college without aany face cover. College even released proofs for it. All of a sudden they demanded for Hijab.
@@namelessentitywatchingyou8439 , **Muslims are saying, If Sikh's turban can get an exemption, why can't Hijab? My answer to this point is well, during the time of partition, three major religions were Hindu-Muslim and Sikhs. Muslims demanded a 'Pak' Land devoid of infidels such as Hindus and Sikhs. and with fire and blood, they got what they needed. But the Sikhs didn't. They remained with us. **For this gratitude, a separate state of present-day Punjab is created for them. Some exemptions were made for their turban and kirpan. **If partition didn't take place in 1947, all the provisions for Hijab could have been done.
@@gautammittal1481, **If Muslim Girls are quoting Quran and Hadith for their argument. As per the Quran, Muslim women can only expose their face (chin to forehead) and their hands. The rest of the body should be covered. The funny part is these Muslim girls are seeking only for the headscarf, they do not seem to be interested to cover their forearm and elbow. As per the Quran whatever the Muslim girls are saying is still not enough. **If the Hon'ble Court has to give judgement based on the Quran, it has to prescribe cover the full body of the Muslim girls, which again create some repercussions. **Tomorrow some Muslim men go to court saying as per their religion, they are supposed to be wearing a shirt having a length that surpasses their knee and a pajama that can never cross their ankle. This madness will never end.
@@akshay4992 I am asking about the "Some Exceptions" regarding Turban & Kirpan. Where is it written that since after Partition Sikhs didn't get their own country so that's why they are exempted. State your authentic sources for that
Excellent video. This is called unbiased analysis and Journalism the way it should be. Salute to Shekhar Guptaji, I sent US $ 25 contribution via Paypal. Thanks
But I saw, Sikhs with Turban & Kara and Hindus with Tilak, Threads & Choti which are not the part of dress code of any Schools, Colleges & Offices but people had no issues ever bcs when we believe in co-existance, we respect and let people practice their religious beliefs. I think, this isn't tough to understand!
@@Omarism Who do you mean by "we"? This "we" that believes in religious freedom? This "we" is a tiny collective in a predominantly intolerant Islam. There was a "we" in Nazi Germany too. And that "we" was proved irrelevant. There's was a "we" in China too. There was a "we" in every anti-civilizational ideology. Everytime it has proved the "we" unfailingly and ultimately irrelevant
@@Omarism Bro Thabeez , Threads , Kara & lockets Are also associated with Muslim community brother don’t be so naive . No one is stopping you to practice your faith, religion is a personal thing and it need to remain personal . You can’t bring your faith in secular institution or educational institutions.
@Ismail Khan Personal choice. Yes. I agree. But are we supposed to overlook the fact that hijab was originally introduced as a form of female oppression? Aren't muslims taught to believe everything written in their book as the only truth? You only need look at 99 percent of muslim countries/societies and their track record at gender equality. Let's not lose sight of the core fundamentals with a lazy attitude and ideological biases.
Excellent analysis shekharji. I was reluctant to watch considering waste of time on this issue but you prove me wrong.Your observation is 100 percent correct
Prasanna ji i think you forgotten the our history. How they distroyed our country. First secular word belongs to came from Central Asia. This word not fit our country.
Everytime I listen to SG, I understand that his legacy stands tall. Beyond all, and everything, no one can parallel him in the coming decades. Thank you for being honest, thank you for being rational, and thank you for voicing that little sanity of a voice from a piece of India we still hold dear. Though we debate and are separated by ideologies, univocally all of us here in the comments agree that you are still the common man's rational.
Dear Mr S B, I live in the same town Udupi, things shown in this video are factually incorrect. 1. College authorities didn't allow the students who came to college with saffron shawls as well. College authorities are more than fair. Why SG talks only about rights of Muslims girls? Why he is not speaking about the rights of Hindu boys and Girls who were denied education?
Thank you for making this cut the clutter. I agree with Mr Shekhar on most of the things he says - Fighting evil on all sides and at the same time is important. However I have one question to Mr Shekhar , if a private school wants to enforce a uniform , do people who not belive in that rule not enroll and go to a school where they can wear their own choice of clothes? If a Texan visits India displaying his guns , should we allow him to roam around in India with his guns ? The concept of uniforms in schools is to bring all students at the same level , doesnt this then defeat the purpose of uniform if we keep bending to all religious beliefs? If i make a religion tomorrow that says being nudist is the rule in my religion , so should schools now allow naked children? Why are the judges becooming politicians and not enforcing the law but trying to find a judgement that doesnt offend the public. The saddest thing is school children who barely understand the issue , are losing more valuable education and school time (all schools in Karnataka are being shut over this having already lost over 2 years of schooling) in the name of politics and will gain nothing from this. Brings a bad name to the country as well as the issue globalises.
i feel govt institutions should have no uniform...with private schools you have a choice, don't like teachers, uniform, playground, morning prayer go to another school. Govt institutions must welcome any student that wants to attend
*Turbans and hijabs now officially part of US Army uniform* In USA 🇺🇸 Sikhs protested because US military required all men to keep a short clean haircut and no Patka/turban. 👳🏻♂️ *But after Sikh protested, they changed the rules.* Now you are allowed to wear turban 👳🏻♂️ and hijab 🧕🏾 in the US army. New regulations will allow soldiers to wear turbans, beards and hijabs in most circumstances unless the head coverings present a "specific, concrete hazard ... that cannot be mitigated by reasonable measures". They were welcomed by the Sikh Coalition. The rules say hijabs and turbans must be made from "a subdued material in a colour that closely resembles the assigned uniform" or, if the soldier is wearing combat gear, camouflage material. Personnel can be ordered to use fire-resistant cloth. An example of authorized hijab and turban wear with the Army Service Uniform (Source: Army Direction 2017-13) - "The material will be free of designs or markings, except that a Soldier wearing the Army Combat Uniform may wear a hijab or turban in a camouflage pattern matching the uniform," according to the directive.
@@AJ-vu5gv Maybe we can also allow hijab that matches with school uniform for muslim girls. Would that be ok? There must be some type of uniform and not a burqa which they wear whether at school and in markets.
Why would a school authority impose an uniform on people from different cultural background ? If they want to do so they should do with after consultation with every community. Why should it exclude certain section ? A school is not a constitutional or legal authority. If they want students from all background they have to cater to their sensibilities. School is not a dictatorship.
@@jaswindersinghnarula4379 you don’t get it… the headscarf is just a minor symbol of a major problem.. you cannot have selective defense of secular values and then have “personal” laws for different religions. That violates secularism like nothing else.
@@garyish I dont get it? It is a scarf for god's sake and you get to personal laws from this! They are wearing and not forcing anyone. I personally dont like the concept behind it (hijaab) but it is just a scarf and if they want to wear then what should be my problem. Live and let live! Let's say tomorrow some school bans turban to Sikh students as that is not part of uniform, what would be your opinion then? It can happen the way things are going. Again it is just a scarf and people are getting so touchy, my god I dont believe it! Such a pathetic state our country has come to. And the response of people to this is giving saffron scarfs to other hindu students so as to divide them more, great! To be honest I dont believe they were actual students and more like hired goons but the division has been done.
@Sharat Sundar There are elections in UP as well. Having said that, dont agree with the practice of hijaab but wont deny anyone an entry because of that.
I am a regular viewer of ur cut the clutter episodes believe it this is the best episodee I have ever seen....I am going to share it with all my friends and family members.
I think Right to education only covers children upto age 14, PUC(pre University) age of those girls will be some 16,17,18 so I don't think they are covered by right to education act
You speak only to clause 1 of artcile 21A but if you read further it covers higer eductation as well. Lets not make the same mistake as our dumass neighbours who read clause 1 of plebiscite and but failed to read the other contigencies and now cry foul.
I asked my mom who is 62 years old whether she saw any muslim girl of her school and college days wearing hizab... She said no.. She didn't even knew hizab exists in India.. Was only aware of burkha that too older ladies used to wear... I'm in my 30s and I too never saw muslim girls of school or college age wearing one.... Why this is happening now? Whether fundamentalism from both side is causing or global influence coming to India????
Ask your great grand mother, whether indian women used to wear blouse 150 years ago.. if you want go back to the past.. I don't understand why the fuck men are even discussing what the women want to wear.
@25:00, Shekhar has easily rugged a complex issue under the carpet by equating Love Jihad law as a state tool to undermine Women's individual Liberty in UP. While you can totally agree that rural areas are still regressive in terms of religious freedom to choose your partner, but you can not say Love jihad is not a problem. The problem is, when the same thing happens in Britain as termed as "Grooming" we accept it happens. But when girls of majority in India are wrongfully targetted, deceived and kind of lured in name of love with ulterior motives, Then the liberals say, oh this law is bad, it's an attack on individual Liberty. Why can't we say that the law should be made full proof and not attack individual Liberty while also preventing girls from falling prey to Love jihad, or Grooming. Whatever you want to call it.
Grooming happened in Britain with underage/minor girls. Almost 98% marriages in India are endogamous I.E within the same community. The Central Govt itself as well as several research papers and NCRB reports have stated that the phenomenon called Love Jihad simply does not exist. Do not try to infantilise women and criminalise love that does not conform to your bigoted standards. Also, don’t draw a false equivalence between unrelated issues to suit your narratives. A syncretic India is precious, educate yourself and stand up for your countrywomen.
In their anti Hindu anti BJP mind, fake names, profiles, grooming, fakery doesn't exist and even if does, any fakery is ok as it is deemed the girl wants to marry. Remember, Hindu boys get killed regularly for romancing Muslim girls... that isn't a problem at all! How dare Hindus act like this? Death is justified. That's the problem.
@@mariyasethwala6609 i believe the urban dwellers in our country are far conncted from the truth. They have little to no understanding of how the tier 3 and 3/4 cities or rural life is. That's why, they prefer living in this utopian world. As much as I would love to agree with what you said. Unfortunately, ground realities differ, and in great contrast. And grooming is not only an under 18 phenomenon.
If Hijab gets allowed on basis of religious book. I m gonna come up with my new religion allowing me to take mobile in exam n if u deny it , its attack on my religion
Shekhar Gupta completely misses the point. Shabano was about court ruling to give a woman a progressive right to overcome a religious restriction. In Hijab case the woman is not asking for a relief from a religious custom. She is praying to be allowed to follow her custom. If denied, effectively it is asking her to choose between one of the two fundamental rights - Education and Religion. In the end it is a choice of a woman to follow her religion or not. If a Hindu woman choses to wear a Bindi, one can't deny that. One can't force her to do that either. Same goes for a Sikh Boy wearing a Turban. Denying those rights - just because Shekhar Gupta thinks it is regressive is not right.
The best I have heard from Sekhar on this channel. Thank you. I request others to circulate it as much as possible. We have now a Shah Bano moment in the country, let's not allow repeat of the mistake of Rajiv Gandhi. Thank You The Print. 🙏
Dear Shekhar Ji, It requires courage to draw out such a nuanced discussion and also poke fingers in the eye of typical Indian hypocritical left liberalism. As a bengali we will also be on huge debt to you for rising voice against the vilification of Meghnad Saha in you another marvellous article in print. Thank you.
Aap chronology note kijiye 1) Dadis on CAA 2) Sikh Farmers on farm laws 3) Muslim school girls on Hijab 4) NGO activist on Pegasus.... Minorities protesting on flimsy issues irrelevant to India or majority of Indians... See the pattern ?? In each case RG goes on "mysterious" holidays to unknown foreign destination just before.... Perfectly shot emotionally evocative videos featuring "star" protagonist appear by magic .... "international" celebrities, media , NGOs , LeLi twitter handles are primed and "waiting" to create "intolerant India" narrative ... How many dots are needed before we connect ??
Going by SG logic, if someone wants to wear hijab in police / army, they should be allowed? If not, then why this choice in schools ? Many schools too have uniforms like police / army. Second - SG is mistaken about having a choice about what’s written in the book. Nothing is optional. Each and every word / diktat is to be compulsorily followed.
You are comparing apples with oranges, firstly the rule book for the govt college clearly states that hijab can be a part of uniform as long as it matches the color of the uniform. It also comes under essential religious duty so who is the state govt to pass a GO and ban it? Secondly, the army/police comes under employment. When someone signs the offer letter they are over atleast 18 and abide by the rules and laws of that entity. This is a govt college for students who are in the teenage years. If they want to put on a hijab, why stop them? And especially why to pass a GO just before UP elections to polarise the issue? The state cannot enforce what a woman should wear
@@AliZee909 can't you comprise even a little bit guys ?? Jain's , Jewish, Buddhists, Christians are also in minority they don't behave like you do always , everyone is going ahead with progressive ideas but you guys don't want to move forward, why is that ? 51% literacy rate is of muslim women 65% is national average of women , you people have the least capita income , you guys can do halal , genital mutilation, polygamy and many more with your special rights , you guys have separate government colleges like Amu and Jamia in which there is 80 % reservation for muslims , there is no special reservation to Jain's , Jewish , Buddhists, they still don't complain....
@@dhruvkaushik2823 they want to be damads of this country and their justification is following the 7th century cult and pulling everything behind with them. The Saudis have understood this and they are the original founders of Islam yet the comparatively new converts shows more enthusiasm in following the regressive diktats of their religion.
my onion for whole episode :keep your so called faith outside school door when you have gone there to study and observe the institute norms. India has minority institutions and those who want education with faith ,go to those minority institiues with ur hijab or what ever you want. Time for UCC(Uniform Civil Code) has come......
Till last month head veils were so called "choice", but now the same guys say to court it's "mandated by religion". In what universe you have the right to 'choose' if it's 'mandatory'? Wtf!!
When you are walking into an institution, you go by its rules. All your 'choice' thing, gets ditched right there. Be it a hijab, a pair of jeans, a ghoonghat or whatever.... You need to drop it, if the institution asks you to. Most of us have grown studying in Convent schools,which didn't allow wearing the Kalawa, or even a Tilak. We didn't create a ruckus. You cannot be imposing your choice of wear, over an institution, that has clear-well written rules on this. When you walk into a Mazaar, you wear your hijab;When you walk into a Gurudwara, you cover your head;When you walk into a temple, follow the rules, that they impose; All this choice BS ,is restricted to your personal space. No institution will respect your choice, incase, if it has a rule, defining the thing.... In this case, the college had a clear rule on the uniform;You don't like it, you are free to leave it. You can go to a place, where your 'choice' can be practised.... When you create public ruckus over it, people will react and resist.... You will cause public nuisance and drama.... Nothing else.
Convent schools are private, the discussion is about public collages that are state funded. The state funds come with the entrapment of following the constitutional law and we follow the American secularism model not the French. So I would assume you have updated ur reference on this issue
Right & Wrong.. Personal choice is a right. Its the other version of patriarchy that you must fit into the specific box. Why are our politicians, elected reps, bureaucrats even defense allows religious dresses (tilaks, caps, kadas, turbans). Lets start change in these public offices & posts. If those in public offices have the right, then every individual has to be given the same right. PS: not in support of all of those including hijabs not in schools but in any institutions. These identities are the seeds of "difference creation" the fuel for those who benefit from binary propagandas.
@@vineethniranjan4 I don't agree.Any institution, be it a religious, private or a government funded institution having rules, will resist your choice of clothing, if it has a RULE based on clothing. If everyone today, starts wearing something of their so called 'CHOICE'....How are we going to create a law - abiding nation?? Discipline is foremost...I don't agree with all this government or private funded BS. St. Stephen's College, Delhi, is funded 95% by the State. But 50% of the seats are reserved for Christians. What are we going to do?? Create ruckus, once again??
@@vemmanr Read my comment carefully. I have clearly mentioned, IF an Institute has set rules on clothing... Follow it. The Constitution DOES NOT mention any rules on the clothing of politicians and bureaucrats. If it would have, I would have supported your claim, on why politicians are dressing themselves up, like Modern Day Raja Babu... But there are no rules set on them. Hence, Sadhvi Pragya wears saffron; Owaisi wears a skull cap.... And so on.... I would not have supported their clothing, had the Constitution restricted it. But it doesn't. So this analogy, doesn't help.
@@vineethniranjan4 It is true that we don't follow Laicité, in this country. We follow the Panth-Nirapaksh model, where the State doesn't side with any one religion. There is NO separation of State from Religion,but at the same time, we also don't side with one.Okay.But the question is, how is it helping?? We are inconsistent in everything,even on the basis of the Indian Model. Let me give you some examples- a. The State controls Hindu Temples, but doesn't control Mosques or Churches. Hindu Devotees pay their money to the State... While others, don't... How is it consistent?? Even on American or Indian terms, this is pure extortion. We are Panth-Nirapaksh, I agree. But how is this even Panth-Nirapaksh, when you are EXTORTING money only from Temples?? How does that make you unbiased?? 2.The State funds Christian Schools and Madrassas... Again, to get a licence, for opening a Hindu School, with State funding.... It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE. I have NEVER seen a State Funded Hindu School.All are private. Even for opening them, you need to fight a long battle of problems. Where is the consistency?? Even on American and Indian terms of Secularism, it is blatantly biased and rigged. Is this the kind of nation-building, we wish to do??
I was waiting for ThrPrint view on this I dont trust the other outlets to cover this issue in a fair manner. They are more interested in increasing viewership or other agenda. As expected the topic was covered from all angle and was very nuanced. Thank you.
I appreciate putting so much effort into making this video. First of all, there were no one wearing hijabs before 8 weeks ago in the same school where the protest started. Please put in more efforts to look into what happened in 8 weeks. 6 girls coming in with hijab and starting to make an issue out of nothing is just an outcome of things that have conspired over the last several weeks. This question of choice and BS doesn’t apply to such a case where the conspiracy is something else. We all understand the right, the choice and fundamentals of constitution.
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Arif Mohammed khan is as much icon as APJ Kalam…. He’s been saying the side effect of Shah Bano case will be like ever since then… it’s set a really bad precedent in society
Congress has distroyed the country
He's a utter piece of shit. Not even comparable to APJ foot.
F#CK ISL4M!!!
TR0UBLE MAKERS!!!
Afghan girls don't like hijab so let's swap these Indian Muslims girls with Afghan girls
Agar hindu extremist hota to hindu personal board ki maang krta ucc ki nhi
When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment will seem like discrimination
..... Thomas Sowell
"lindu khatare me he"
Nonsense
Agar hindu extremist hota to hindu personal board ki maang krta ucc ki nhi
@Ranjeet Kumar whatabout afghanistan, pakistan, bangladesh then😂
The moment students start demanding religious symbols, then you know that the purpose of education has failed miserably.
@nish yes. Its a remnant of the colonial divisive tool which we were unable to repeal.
@@fashidvc5757 So you are inventing a new form of colonialism then, in which you will dictate what others think and don’t think
@nish guys let me tell you "Hazr khawaish esi har khawaish py dam nikly" 😂 HINDUTVA ki yeh halat honi
Well said
@nish I believe that communalism shudnt come to Schools. Besides, hijab is not a progressive practise. If tommorow a god says that woman shud remain chained all the times then does that mean we shud allow women of that religion come to schools n colleges chained condition ? If u say yes, then there is no point in arguing with irrational person
“For great men, religion is a way of making friends; small people make religion a fighting tool”.
-APJ Abdul Kalam
Apj is not good muslim for subcontinent muslims , there were more presence of muslims at funeral of afzal guru
“for great men, religion is bullshit; small people make religion seem like as of it is the most important thing and even use it as a fighting tool”
-Me
Muslims follow Quran not Abdul kslam.
You named a great man who Opposition and Print refuse to count as a great man.
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Creating Muslim personal law board was the biggest blunder of independent Indian history after Kashmir, making mockery of the constitution.
With that one stroke of liberal, secular Congress, it made half of the Muslim population just slave objects, taking away the equality and protection from Indian constitution. Shah Bano case put final nail in the coffin for muslim women.
Story about camel in the tent must be imbibed on all of us, so that we never forget the lesson.
UCC is the only way to fix this mess.
It was strongly apposed by Ambedkar as he wanted uniform civil code embedded in constitution from the very first day. But Congress leadership didn't agreed.
Congress follows pseudo-secularism, in real secularism followed in France.
Spread of RSS and its umbrella Sanghi organizations in India is root cause of all radicalization in India.
@@syedamjadulla7464 Atleast RSS dont go bombing people like certain isis, boko haram, let, etc. I bet you people want india to become islamic country and follow sharia rule.
@@vatsalsingh1555 don't reply these converted Abdools....no need to appease them😊
When Uniform cannot be mandated in schools, then UCC is long way. Shame on Politicians and Celebrities milking this issue, just because they hate every other party or Ruling BJP.
Wut ? BJP is milking the issue
@@rocket5544 and so are liberal parties and media. They even spread fake news that a Hindu replaced the Indian flag with a bhagwa jhanda on a flagpole
Thoughts on this.
I think I have got the solution.
Let women come in their Hijab (only Hijab and not burkha) If anybody harasses these women, punish according to the Constitution.
Open a new argument wherein you prove with stats and data that it's a fact that Muslim women wearing hijab are exposed to more conservativism, less freedom and are under male dominated patriarchy. Let women decide then.
@@jam-ss2jc When exactly have women decided for themselves, particularly of the Muslim community ? Your suggestion is good, buddy. But, not at all feasible.
Little girls are trained to become accustomed to it and it is always because men want it that way.
@Ranjeet Kumar An apt reply, brother 👍🏼
The debate is rather about that the whole concept of uniform is nullified if one wears dress of his own choice
Then a Sikh student in Uttar Karnataka will also have to take off his turbans
@@Critic224 they wear uniforms
@@Critic224 turbans and uniforms can worn at the same time. Hijabs and uniforms can't
@@dattatreyajana9215 hijab is a headgear, ofcourse uniform and hijab cab be worn together . Unless you meant burqa.
@@dattatreyajana9215 n that's how we discriminate enough🤣🤣..
There was time when female activists (feminist) in Iran laid down their lives fighting against the Hijab and now comes a time when Hijab is normalised in the name of political correctness.
There was a time when Indians fought with British for freedom. After independence voted for Secularism. But from last few years started voting for Communalism in the name of Political correctness. Why you want to drag Iran when Indian constitution is applicable for India and not Iran.
@@satyavvduddu7105 we wear it bcoz it is our choice to cover our hair
@Mariyam Zahra rizvi A bird says it loves to live in a cage
@@Vajrapani108 a bird never say it
Let the young girl apart from such restrictions. We have many friends who don't like such restrictions before marriage. Don't know who are these female activists, as this is election time.
My own sister has been coerced severely into wearing the hijab. Most girls are emotionally or physically forced into the hijab but they will never admit it to outsiders because of some sense of loyalty to their religion.
Appreciate your courage to admit the reality dear.
I personally think that wearing burqa or hijab it is against Human rights of women.what sin have they committed to hide themselves from rest of world.
I think it is up to young people like you from the community to atleast stand against this and support your family women.
I can marry your sister and maker her hindu, no need for hijaab ever? Reply me bro, i am a good match for your sister, never burqa nor hijab. Will even allow bikini on your sister too
@@helcurt2509 Looks like you are set to be that stereotypical single disgruntled old man. xD
@@helcurt2509 Firstly who are you to allow her to wear anything or not?... It's her choice if she wants to wear a particular type of cloth, whatever she wants to wear in Public places & you should respect that.
That pretty much tells you that you're not good, not only for his sister but even any other sister.
Then blame who for the coerced behaviour of your family or simply your single dimensional understanding of the Islam
I fail to understand these self proclaimed knights under a misogynistic mind set
In my opinion
Classroom is the most sacred place on this planet and everybody must fight to keep it free from caste, religion, gender, race or any political ideology.
Sikhs with Turban & Kara and Hindus with Tilak, Threads & Choti which are not the part of dress code of any Schools, Colleges & Offices but people had no issues ever bcs when we believe in co-existance, we respect and let people practice their religious beliefs as constitution allowed and protected. I think, this isn't tough to understand!
@@Omarism how many hindus? Did you encounter ?? And show me one pic from before 1992 where indian muslim woman wore hijab or burqa, go ahead and look at pics of everyone your won't find any
@@Omarism turban, kara, tilak are not the same as hijab. Hijab is rooted in patriarchy.
@Sharat Sundar it's the left media politicising an issue where a small school in Udupi restricts a veil well within their right. We're not making the issue we're talking about the one that's already been over politicised.
PS: In 2019 Kerala Muslim Educational Society which controls 150 schools banned the hijab or any veil in all their schools. No one made an issue of it. Because it's Kerala after all.
@@Omarism threads are worn by muslims too no one is opposing it neither is anyone asking to have a singular haircut. For Sikhs turban is a compulsary practise
When I was in school, I was once denied entry to classes because I was wearing pants that did not confirm to school uniform standards. It did not seem like I am being denied my right to education. No one in our class used to be in hijab or ghungat. Is this changed lately in our "secular" India? Does Quran now overrides school policies and code of conduct rules?
Go and Try to tell that USA
Wearing Hijab is a fundamental right
@@alireact1827 😃😃😃 thanks a lot for a nice joke
In US, Soldier in US Military can wear Hijab as Part of a Uniform.
@@nature-lj4sj 🤣
All this debate over sitting with Hijab inside the classrooms is uncalled for.
Religious Fundamentalism as Mr. Gupta says will ensure that if this is allowed for one side now, just a few days later something similar would be coming up from some other side.
Educational institutions should be left alone for teaching and UNIFORMS should be the common thing for everyone.
Nothing more nothing less.
Kids should relate to each other as their peers and not “The Others”.
The school should be the place to get education and not practice one’s religion.
Religion is personal and we need to keep it personal.
25-30 years ago there never used to be Muslims girls in Co-Education schools at least in Lucknow (UP) with all this hijab stuff and I feel this has a lot to do with the Saudi Wahabbism that has influenced Indian Muslims over the last 2-3 decades.
All this is not needed.
“Religious Fundamentalism is bad, regardless of which religion it comes from.”
“Modern Societies Don’t Need Religious Fundamentalism.”
Nice Episode Mr. Gupta 👍🏻
Wahabism and salafism has taken hold of Indian muslim community particularly in Kerala. Most of their public speeches are so filled with hate towards polytheism and even Catholics. Now the right wing hindu and Christian extremists are spreading these videos to polarise people which they are successful in so many ways.
@@vishnusanthosh4594 Yes. However, the ex-Muslim movement also has gained pace in Kerala and it is bound to spread across India - On top of it, with wIth the Internet, it is going to be accessible to the illiterates as well.
@@vanithav7339 yes and also the translation of Quran and Hadis from Arabic to English and other local languages, some of the Hadis are just pure hatred but some of the muslims don't consider these Hadis as divine but these salafi and wahabi does recognise it
Agreed.
That's a nice POV. I think this regression is consolidated within a very small patches of the Muslim community. I personally have so many Muslim Friends and they have never showed me their violent sides nor they talk of violence. And they have good reasoning....... But these chaps, I dunno where they get there motivation from.
Quoting a verse from Qur'an and demanding Court to abide by the islamic law bruh what is this guy smoking
This is neither a Islamic nation
Nor does it follow Sharia law
Listen mr joker " under the right of freedom of religion" the indian constitution Safeguard's basic tenets of all religions and hijab is one of those tenets thats what he wanted to prove by stating that quran verse
🤣🤣🤣 are you Indian? Do you know article 25.
Looks like he will point to Qurans quotes on jihad and ask SC to pass a judgment asking for right to jihad
@@byron-ih2ge it holds good only as long as it doesn't infringe on other rights stated in the same constitution. When there is collision, it is the law of the land which should be held higher
@@byron-ih2ge Hijab is no tenet like sati is no tenet. Forget it.
4 wives in hijab are simultaneously upholding the rights of women for personal " *choice* " !!!
What a Stockholm Syndrome of choice !!! Bravo feminism of half witness worth !!!
In islam women are considered half-wits too.
@@readyforknowing3009 rightly put
@@readyforknowing3009 not true but always there is extremism in every field of life.
@@ahmedrizwan7847 so why you support very regressive burqa practice as freedom of choice & try to normalise these extremely bad practice. Or you think it's progressive......?
Wondering if hindu mothers are looking at the fact that their boys are coming on streets to tell girls what they can wear to enter a place of so called educational institution. This is your up bringing? So you have agreed to this occupation of his? If you don't discipline him now or correct him now , you will face the same treatment tomorrow.
"Shah Bano case ka paap" that is definitely true.
Thoughts on this
.
Let women come in their Hijab (only Hijab and not burkha) If anybody harasses these women, punish according to the Constitution.
Open a new argument wherein you prove with stats and data that it's a fact that Muslim women wearing hijab are exposed to more conservativism, less freedom and are under male dominated patriarchy. Let women decide then.
@@jam-ss2jc hijab is not even indian muslims thing, they started only in1992 from Kashmir and later when people returned from gulf. Look at all the pics from past of Muslim women you won't find hijab there
@@VivekSingh-mu1wc Jeans and t-shirt are not an "Indian Hindu" thing, they started in late 70s from the west and earlier when people returned from trips abroad. Look at all the pics of the past of Hindu men you won't find jeans there.
There, corrected it.
@@shubs3566 False equivalence! Hijab and Burka are display of in-your-face religiosity and violation of uniform policy. I don't think schools allow jeans if it violates uniform policy. Teens wearing Hijab or jeans in public or at home is their fundamental right. Some temples and Churches have dress codeas well for understandable reasons. Muslim wearing saree or salwar kameez was common in earlier generation. Comparing jeans to Niqab or Burka betrays intellectual duplicity.
@@shubs3566 lol who said jeans and t shirt are hindu thing??
When Shah Bano case happened, I was a young girl.I could never understand Rajiv Gandhi's logic for usurping the supreme court . Your videos give perspective. Thank you.
Weak men create hard times.
I will repeat my earlier comment all religions are fundamental in their political manifestation, which is a creation of humans. All religions are inclusive at its spiritual level, which is a creation of God.
One needs to understand a woman's rights in Islam to understand the Shah Bano case.
Islam gives women right on their property (earned by them or their inheritance). Husbands cannot force wives to use their money for their family, including their children's upbringing. All that is the husbands respinsibility.
Mehar is an amount fixed at time of marriage which women get when they get married not when they are divorced. Today the Mehar goes in lakhs in well to do families.
Alimony is not a rule in Islam to balance the above. Makes sense?
@Pierre In A marriage in Islam is not a social or spiritual bond like in other religions its a Contract that 2 people agree to with witnesses. It's such a modern/futuristic concept that even in today's world that it is hard to accept.
Mehar is not dowry its an amount that the husband has to pay as part of the contract. It's written up as a contract. The conditions of talaq which is the annulment of the contract from either can also be agreed in the marriage contract.
Problem is that very few Muslims know or can express this concept and those who know do not want to discuss in a still patriarchal society.
You misunderstood and were probably looking for flaws. I did not say that kids don't belong to the husband only. It only says that the finances needed for their upbringing is the fathers responsibility. Possession of Kids is given based on their best interests as any modern court would do.
Everything that is old is not out dated. This notion of yours probably comes out of a perception rather than study.
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The Sad thing is the true Islamic nations are getting more and more progressive and here people are getting more and more regressive. Like is Hijab necessary for education? Why don't Muslim guys wear Hijab at school? What's the need of that ? Is your clothing your identity?
And what is your problem with headscarf? Covering the headscarf is sin. My brother if you think hijab is one of the problems that distract other student or violate any rules or some fundamentalists have inflicted it on muslim girls then what is the best way to dispose of hijab. The more girls study the more independent they become. With the study they will certainly do away with it moving forward. But on the contrary if you force someone that will have adverse effect. One more question, will you be able to remove turban which is used by sikh brothers, oh I forgot, the most disciplined section in india, indian army, it is there allowed too.
@@communicateeffectively2737 Sikhs should get extra rights in India coz they didn't partitioned our country , neither did they get any seperate country for themselves after independence. But mūslīms did. They got Islamic republic of Pakistan for themselves , who's constitution doesn't give rights to non-Muslims , it's a country only for mūslīms. So mūslīms in India shouldn't get any extra rights , uniform in school should be same for all but we can make an exception for Sikhs coz it's the only place they got that is India.
@@communicateeffectively2737 Problem is that you follow school rules or join a religious schools. You give space and time to offer prayers in schools will be next demand. Don't you have the loudspeakers 📢 blasting off prayers every morning. It is my right not to listen to prayers? I don't believe in a script which world over has massacred people of other faiths under excuse of Blasphemy...it is for a weak twisted script and shows mindset.
And when education is the focal point, why is it important to put unnecessary attention on who wears what as long as they're maintaining the modesty to the minimum! And it applies to everyone, be it a Muslim Hijab, Sikh Turban, Christian Cross, Buddhist or Hindu gerua scarf or not! Nobody is coming as a Nanga Sadhu or so that can be objectionable! Besides, if a hindu married girl is wearing sindoor and other stuff, how that will be treated? RSS-BJP just need to win by wooing and polarizing the fanatics more and more everyday.... and now more votes in UP!
@@bangguyraj why should muslims have any extra rights in today's India? Didn't they partitioned our country on the basis of religion where majority of Indian muslims also voted for in favor and only they got a seperate nation called Islāmic rēpūblic of Pākīstan where non-Muslims have no constitutional rights.
Plus a 7th century desert cūlt won't decide the definition of modesty in 21st century.
Mesmerized how Shekhar sir was so unapologetic 😀. Yes, reforms for Muslims is hard in India as India is not Saudi Arabia. Here every change is looked upon as an attack rather than a reform keeping us backward.
Saudi Arabia is not good example. Indian system is already more progressive than Saudi. Saudi is trying to open up now
More nuanced analysis by Shrub
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Damage has been done in 1947 and 1950 -- Can we join broken glass ? we need to buy new glass now ..
I think that's the truth. This is one of the most insightful comment here.
@@soudipsanyal I don't think that's the truth. Saudi Arabia is more conservative than India. Saudis are just now opening up.
You don't think Wahabist are not resisting changes there? Reform(change) attempts are considered as attacks, always, by conservatives
20:25 Nobody wears ghonghat in karnataka. Especially not in those costal areas where issue came from. Ghoonghat is Islamic influence on North india. South has less Islamic influence so no ghoonghats or parada
Yes ghoonghat in UP, Rajasthan and punjab is a bastardisation of the 🧕 as minorities were forced to practice the same under sharia.
Unlikely. Ghoonghat has its traces from the Rig Veda, although the Muslim influence must have made it more extreme and conservative
@@upamanyuray9383 what??? Rigveda 😂😂 give me proof. Even saw post rigvedic temples. The female gods or other women portrayed on it not even wearing complete saree..... The ghunghat, burkha, parda is complete islamic thing.
@@blackpole5936 if you were so keen, you would have looked for proof on your own. just search 'women during rigveda period', and see the images. And research on the marriages and attire of women during Gupta ages. The ghoonghat was a part of the saree attire worn by women, not necessarily an oppressive symbol.
Furthermore it has been there in every abrahamic religion, islam, judaism and christianity - you will still see nuns in India wearing hijab type clothing.
Although as Islam became more conservative and popular, the ghoonghat became a truly oppressive thing. Unfortunately the sudden right wave in india does not have the desire to delve in so much history
@@upamanyuray9383 don't go by paintings made by today's artist on rugvedic women. I just asked you give me proof written in rugveda about ghoonghat. The saree thing is very late almost 1000CE. So the ghoonghat started later than Gupta period. Till the Gupta period indian women wearing uttariya and mostly by rich women's. And others only hide their breast. The artist, narrators, tv serials, movies, novel writter made Sadi contemporary to rugvedic to Gupta period.
Kudos to the Print and Mr Gupta. Religious fundamentalism and patriarchy has cost lot to women and this liberals again siding with the fundamentalism will give a rise to new fundamentalism in Hindus too.
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“When you support fundamentalism on one side, it becomes the fuel for fundamentalism on the other side” - if there is one thing to take away from this episode (and possibly a guiding principle for public policy), it is this onw quote.
Correct!
@@charulatabiswas6305 Yes and Libtards do support fundamentalism of one side
Agreed
@@pksingh3232 Don't even call them liberals, If person calling claiming as liberal supporting Hijab & burqa in education, they are unfit call themselves as liberals.
.....but that scoundrel says love jihad affects hindu women but says nothing about the harassment they face after the fraud marriage by jihadi scoundrels
Uniform Civil Code is the only way out. Ban and repeal all personal religions i.e. Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Anand (Sikhs), Parsi acts. Goa has a Uniform Civil Code inherited from the Portuguese. I think it's worth the risk.
*Turbans and hijabs now officially part of US Army uniform* In USA 🇺🇸 Sikhs protested because US military required all men to keep a short clean haircut and no Patka/turban. 👳🏻♂️ *But after Sikh protested, they changed the rules.*
Now you are allowed to wear turban 👳🏻♂️ and hijab 🧕🏾 in the US army.
New regulations will allow soldiers to wear turbans, beards and hijabs in most circumstances unless the head coverings present a "specific, concrete hazard ... that cannot be mitigated by reasonable measures". They were welcomed by the Sikh Coalition.
The rules say hijabs and turbans must be made from "a subdued material in a colour that closely resembles the assigned uniform" or, if the soldier is wearing combat gear, camouflage material. Personnel can be ordered to use fire-resistant cloth.
An example of authorized hijab and turban wear with the Army Service Uniform (Source: Army Direction 2017-13) -
"The material will be free of designs or markings, except that a Soldier wearing the Army Combat Uniform may wear a hijab or turban in a camouflage pattern matching the uniform," according to the directive.
Bhai BJP ki dukaan band karega?
@@AJ-vu5gv So what?
This is what a half baked knowledge looks like, have you even read Goa's so called uniform code? It is riddled with exceptions and ambiguity. It has 0 implementation. Your Google knowledge makes me laugh.
@@helcurt2509 I didn't told to exactly copy the Goa Civil Code. It's not my Google knowledge. Don't assume things before I make any argument. I know what Goa Civil Code is as I have read it in detail about it. I suggested the Goa Civil Code as an example. Goa Civil Code could be adopted at the national level with changes/fixations/alterations etc or create a completely new from the base. And Goa Civil Code do have some problems or ambiguities but it still works. People of Goa use it more than than the separate religious ones.
Uniform civil code is the way ahead... 🇮🇳
@@homosapien5140 same people when every go to USA, UK or France can follow all UCC to the T, in India it’s an issue
HOW IT IS POSSIBLE DIFFERENT RELEGION PEOPLES LIVING IN INDIA WITH DIFFERENT CULTURES
@@homosapien5140 nice try abdul, asli ID se aa
@@narutohenaruto sangi to the core ..
@@homosapien5140 UCC isn't equal to French laws.
In UCC law will be same for all(all about UCC). Whatever the law is.
This is the reason why India NEEDS a uniform civil code.
You were right when you compared this incident with Shah bano case in your 50 word edit.👍👍 However this incident is just about wearing school uniform but some people are behaving like hijab, burkas are going to be banned from everywhere.
Yes they are politicising it and turning the public emotion towards communalism
@@sayanmondal1303 according to Shekhar gupta this incident is similar to shah banoo case and it will hurt left wing parties.
You cannot change uniform suddenly. It is like abstaining people to not get education. When you introduce it as part of new academic year, those who still want to wear hijab won't enrol because that ll be contentious issue for them and there the denial of right to education won't come into picture.
Ridiculous to compare it Shah Bano case. Total lack of understanding of Islam.
@Susan Joseph i don't think they care, because i don't see any counter protest from them. In fact i have seen some media reports where those protesting Muslim girls said that religion and hijab is first priority, they were openly saying these things to reporters on camera. I forgot the name of that media outlet.
It's quiet simple- Mullahs/ PFI want to naturalize burkha among Muslim women.
They will argue in court that hijab is an essential part of Islam and that all muslim women are required to wear it.
If they can convince the court then burkha (under the garb of hijab) will be worn to show that they are proud muslim.
This will mean that every Muslim family will try to coax their girls wear the burkha or hijab and thus creating a perfect patriarchal society at the behest of the mullahs.
@Ashwin Varghese You have no idea what social conditioning is.
@Ashwin Varghese that's the problem with muslim community....they stick to their own kind and don't want to integrate both culturally and socially with other and then they will cry about being sidelined...
After a very long time , I agree with SG. When we talk about progressive religious practice it is not confined to one religion but applicable to all.
More importantly caste should be eradicated if one is really looking for a progressive society
@@pikaase the so called "lower caste" people will be the only ones having problem with getting rid of caste system coz they are the only ones who get benefitted by this
@@yuribezmenov9257 Agreed.. Even modern day Rajputs want OBC status...
Agree
@@pikaase Bro, i agree. But u know what its much more complicated. Even the lower castes dont want caste system go. Thats why many politicians from lower castes keep refering to themselves as "Dalits" to take benefits of reservation. Its like they say, "We have suffered for 2000 yrs so we will keep reaping benefits of reservation for another 2000 yrs or as long as it satisfies us" which means upto indefinite time period. So, both sides dont want this to go n also the muslims, communist/marxist dalit messaihs (not actual messaihs) n so on. So, there r political reasons also why caste system isnt removed. Do u reallg believe that dalit politician or a party wants caste system to be removed ? If it is removed how r they gonna ask dalits to vote for them ? How, muslims like Owaisi will say, "I fight for dalits n oppressed sections so vote for me" n so on
I feel so good after hearing this. I 💯 percent agree with the fact that no matter which religion/race it is; the extremists of those groups always Target the weakest/vulnerable people and most often it's the women.
It pains me when women or anyone as a matter of fact, is compelled to do something or refrain from something. It always should be a person's personal choice(it just should not harm others).
We all want to be free and make our own choices. I hope 🤞 that happens soon ☺️. Everyone has the right to be happy and enjoy life.
Thats not what he is saying. He is saying Burqa is a symbol of patriarchy and he hopes courts rule in favor of uniform, not Burqa. This is basically what Hindus and Hindu students of Karnataka are demanding.
@@subhadeepmandal8728 huge generalisation! some indeoendent thinkers do choose!
Agar hindu extremist hota to hindu personal board ki maang krta ucc ki nhi
Here Sangh parivar wants take away the right of Muslim women. TAKING AWAY SOMEONES RIGHT IS CALLED OPPRESSION....Sanghies must be stopped.
Must listen, by rizwan th-cam.com/video/KKEd0Ht9d6A/w-d-xo.html
If the country really wants to get progressive, religion should be kept completely out of schools and colleges at the least!
Uniform civil code certainly seems to be the right way forward.
Yogi can wear attire of a particular religion by being in the office of Chief Minister of largest state of India representing 22 crore population. Sikh men can wear Turban in all institutions including Defense and Police department. Only Muslim women can not cover their head. What logic is this? This is just part of polarization on communal lines for garnering votes.
@@syedamjadulla7464 is there a uniform prescribed for chief ministers?
Regarding Sikh men, they've it as a constitutional right.
I don't think it should've been allowed, however, it is and there is nothing that can be done until the constitution is amended.
If you look at my comment again, I've said that religion needs to be kept outside of schools, I haven't mentioned any religion in particular, I meant all of them.
Please stop playing the victim card everywhere.
@@syedamjadulla7464 yogi is not school teacher and school student but woh randiyaan school ki student thi verses 9.29 quran
@@syedamjadulla7464 sikh community doesn't wear bomb on his chest and said allah hu uber and blast. Why taking only one part of sikh life while ignore good and truthful part. Agar afterlife mila na mujhe sirf hindu ya sikh ya buddhist and even christian hi religion mae born hone ki wish hogi meri . islam jaise radical religion m nhi
Agar hindu extremist hota to hindu personal board ki maang krta ucc ki nhi
I think sharia should be implemented for muslims with special inclusions in ipc for hand cutting and stoning. You can't have it both ways.
nope. no sharia in the land of Rama. We don't impose Hindu laws on anyone. We are secular country isn't it. One country, one law.
Aimplb is doing this from sometime and I'm against it.
In those kind of cases they use Crpc.
Perfectly said
Manusmriti should be implemented for hindus, they can't have both ways.
@@user-ny7sg9mz1v lol but no one is asking for manusmriti tho, not even 1% have en read it. In survey, majority of muslims want sharia so it should be granted and state enforced with no exceptions. Choice is very ambiguous, i support full burqa with only single eye visible through thin cloth. You think im joking but im not. Its best for everybody, if m's want reform then they themselves will speak when it's time, none of biz of any hindu like me.. triple talaq should be taken back.
It requires enormous COURAGE to go against the popular trend and speak the truth.Congratulations to SG!
Yes ...it takes a lot of courage to be absolutely bullshit ...
@@jnm4871 BS how??
This courage somehow totally disappears when talking about reservations. Where was this modernity when discussing the Supreme Court verdict on caste based reservations?
All those who supporting Hijab in school are the the world's biggest jokers
In my school days if we used to wear full pants instead of allowed half pants in summers, teachers used to cut the pant with scissor and make it half, that too in front of whole assembly or class. 😅
And now these kids are fighting to wear hijab or gamcha. Cmon teachers where are you? What happened principal ma'am?
Which is again stupidity. In India we have strange cut off dates for uniforms. I remember boys in my class used to feel so cold as winter approached but the full pant date hasnt come. Full pant is a much better uniform than half pant.
Exam time all these extra clothes what can happen will happen.
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In my schools, there was limit on even jewelery for girls, only ear studs, nothing else precious.. the choice never existed in school uniforms..
Exactly!
I can give you so many instances when well educated muslim women have openly said that Hijab is a sign of patriarchy. But no muslims would come in support of these women.
At least many hindus are supporting muslim women here but not a single muslim would support these women who have said about hijab being a sign of male dominated patriarchy.
Look even in many Muslim countries girls occasionally wear hijab except where it is compulsory, even in Pakistan urban cities girls don't wear hijab mandatory. Even in Iran wear hijab is Mandatory law, there many women protest against it wear just cover half head with shawl & half hijab.
Saudi prince MBS made many reforms on women rights, Even removed mandatory burqa & hijab. Once in Turkey even hijab is banned.
Even Bangladesh PM wear just saree.
But in Countries Where Muslims are Minority like in India, UK were people enforcing majority muslim women wear hijab & burqa. And they say it is there religious & individual right to pratice.
Check the videos first who is fighting on ground for that, saffron guys to hijab ladies directly there is no one in between
@@aniskhan9669 sorry bro i don't follow
Woow I will really have to get a placard or a banner for muslim sister here
Get over your facade of this progressive mind set while you harbour but clear prejudices
A damn piece of cloth is damning your thinking, as is visible that education, diversity, intolerance and actually freedom of choices have no place but clear set of hooliganism is appreciated, way to go brother
Hijab is that big s problem for you while we reel under third world problems woow just woow
@@sarvathshereen6957 fair enough.
But speak for these women as well
th-cam.com/video/A2Eh9g7YQV0/w-d-xo.html
When you don't talk about Lavanya (Tamil Nadu ) Rupeshpandey (Jharkhand)
Even a Calm and communist Man would think to become Hindutvaadi
Can't express how I feel after watching this episode... Such beautiful explanation of the current status of the country... Every Indian should watch this...instead of blindly watching "TV news"..
Great job Shekhar Sir & Team..
Big Big fan of your works ❤️🙏
After watching this episode, I realised why this CTC released after midnight. Thankyou so much Print for the rigorous research and efforts put in by the bunch of SG's young colleagues.. Special thanks to SG for this analysis.
SG, have you ever raised your concern on abduction rape and conversion of Hindu and Christian girls in Kashmir and Pakistan?
@@indiafirst6517 Yes and also no cut the clutter on Lavanya's suicide case as well.
SG says women should have the choice to marry a puncturewala 😂
Love jihad means exactly the opposite! Puncturewalas are deceiving and forcefully converting young (some times minor) Hindu and Christian girls into ☪️
"UNIFORM CIVIL CODE" till you are an Adult (18 yrs) is the solution (apart from matters that is practised by 100% in Religion)
It's condescending to School an ADULT.. But it's everyone's interest to treat, teach and raise the next generation UNIFORMLY
Agar hindu extremist hota to hindu personal board ki maang krta ucc ki nhi
Thank you very much Professor for putting things in perspective - the supporters of Hijab and supporters of Ghunghat are from the same side, not opposite sides. Thanks for seeing through. The way Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen were treated by UPA is also anti liberal. Liberals in India need to say this loudly.
Same side??? Who the hell wears ghungat that too in Karnataka? We are not the same...... We believe in equality.... At the same time we are deeply rooted to our culture and religion.. Some call it hindutva.... Its not what u think..... We are being religious but didn't disturb anyone.... Starting from our vijayanagaradynasty but we gave the befitting reply to those who mock us, (deccan sultanates)
@@manin4568 people wearing hijab also say "deeply rooted in thier culture" that's why they are wearing it, and some girls wearing hijab doesn't physically get in anyone's way either. You kinda proved the OP right, in terms of attitude you both are the same. You both use your culture as an excuse to maintain silly practices that are fundamentally illogical.
@@manin4568 kudos. Exactly body covering is very contrary to kannadiga culture
@@manin4568 you both are biased in your opinion.
Vijayanagar established only in 1336. What do you think before that all were repressive.
What about mauryan empire? Kushan Empire?Chola dynasty? Etc.....
Vijayanagar empire is just a continuation of previous good rulers.
I thought only tamils are more assertive and biased but now I'm seeing some from Karnataka too.
Are all same in the South, regional nationalism above Indian nationalism.
Having low expectations and being afraid to challenge the Muslim community in the same way as Hindus, condemning the former to perpetual backwardness, is a key failure of Indian liberals. Not to mention forget ignoring Muslim issues, they even support backwards and traditionalist elements: doing a great disservice to fledgling Muslim liberals (anti hijab, pro reform and women etc).. these people they should support they actually hinder! This is why secularism is a joke in India and liberals are considered minority appeasers, no more: one standard for Hindus, a much lower standard for Muslims. Created resentment amongst the former, and perpetuates backwardness amongst the latter!
It's rare to find such an objective explanation and analysis of a situation by any media in today's polarized world. Keep up the good work SK sir.
Educational institutions should be able to set and enforce uniform standards. It has got nothing to do with denying educational opportunities of anyone. Just comply the uniform code or find another institution. Don’t bing in religion inside classroom.
Totally agree
have you been called a Sanghi for this view of yours, Jeff? 😂
There is a reason why we have uniform in the first place. Unfortunately most of us don't know why and therefore not even talking about it.
@@mukundvashishth3140 b coz nobody wants to talk about it everybody is busy in politics.
@Vi K hijab don't cover the face. It's only a loose piece of cloth. And today everyone is covering face with mask and they all r covering face with face mask.This shouldn't b an issue at all.
Very well articulated... Is saddening that such eloquent unbiased editorials are missing now-a-days...
Bhai itna accha English kaise likh/bol lete ho... please share some tips
More nuanced analysis by Shrub
m.th-cam.com/video/npCZW5LhUKs/w-d-xo.html
Articulation means nothing -- We need action and delivery - IAS officer can say very beautifully in English why he could not do any improvement in his tenure .. We do not want that .. We need action and less articulation.. Highly articulate Kolkatta is in ruins today. Where are not so well articulated place like Morbi is clock city of India.
Can 🇮🇳 and 🇵🇰 coexist ?, YES, Indians ONLY have to take some measures as suggested in a video on following link
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One of the best CTC till date. I was having same thoughts on shouldn't education be given more importance then cloths and one other hand why hijab practice is defended and ghoonghat discouraged wherein both are religious fundamentalism. SG literally gave structure to all the random thoughts and now it all makes sense. We need to ensure rights are defended but also work on reducing fundamental ideas for long term societal development.
Sikh men can wear Turban. Only Muslim men can not wear Hijab. What a great Sanghi logic!!!
More nuanced analysis by Dhruv
m.th-cam.com/video/npCZW5LhUKs/w-d-xo.html
@@syedamjadulla7464 read your statement once again 😂😂
@@ziaqazi41 during industrial revolution in Europe, Christianity went through a reform...black faith was removed
During the 19th century Hindu society also went through reforms, Sati, Purdah and other blackfaiths were removed, much with stiff resistance from the Hindu society and even hindu women..
But Islam awaits such a reform, and such fundamentalist practices of Patriarchy should be done away with..
Can 🇮🇳 and 🇵🇰 coexist ?, YES, Indians ONLY have to take some measures as suggested in a video on following link
th-cam.com/video/bq79eb_RR8A/w-d-xo.html b because Pakistan is already doing its bit by looking after religious places of Hindu community even in Islamabad as shown in this video on below link
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2 of my Muslim female colleagues fresh out of engineering colleges got jobs. In 6-7 months time, both of them were married off by paying 10-15 lakh dowry in cash. In 2 to 2.5 years both have 2 children each. We realize that their professional productivity will fall after pregnancy. This is their story and fate. Both of them were good team members. 1 them was very good professionally. 1 wore hijab. The other did not. Both of them quit job. End of Story for Muslim women.
Agree, the moment a woman gives up her financial liberty, it’s game over. Perhaps that’s how some people want to live that way but then they moan about everything, play victim and gain sympathy.
One major thing you deliberately skipped, SG! That, the Hindu's reaction to Hijab row (and earlier in Shah Bano case) is a push back, and not a permanent or long term regressive action. Hindu's are generally liberal and quickly get back to their usual open lifestyle...... Whereas, regressive and growing fundamentalist actions amongst muslim clergy and society/families, strangling female freedoms, is a long term damage to society. We will increasingly struggle with such extreme religiosity and become like Pak or Af in times to come. This aspect needs to be highlighted with full force by the media, by the leaders and in Public Discourse in general.
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I've a lot of Muslim friends who don't wear hijab and also some who wear, and they are progressive. Stop doing false propaganda.
Prasnna is going with the facts. The two comments by ABET and Aravind are like that of braying donkeys.
@KJP Raman If talking about strangling women freedom, there are a few cultures in the North where women are asked to veil. They aren't supposed to remove.
Every culture has some repressive rules. Why target only one particular community?
Aren't our dhongi babas and pujaris spreading hate and calling openly for genocide just like ISIS, al-qaida? Are they not fundamentalists just like other muslim fundamentalists? They want to make India only Hindu rastra by killing one particular community. Is that progressive thinking? Why is the head of the country silent on that disturbing issue? Didn't even utter a single word. Why? I don't even consider them Hindus. Hinduism doesn't preach hate mongering.
We don't want our country to ruled by fundamentalists just like Hitler, Saddam Hussain, Gaddafi, Taliban etc. which is where we are heading.
RSS goons beat up people on Valentine's day and are forced to marriage. Go in pubs and beat people create ruckus.
Are above points not damaging society?
Even when citing examples of countries with damaged society, you have to consider Pakistan and Afghanistan. Can you name some Christian countries or Buddhism following countries or atheism following countries? The answer is that everytime the number of islamic countries with extremism will be higher and that's because extremism is embedded in this fanatic cult called islam.
Progressive Muslim is an oxymoron as the scriptures leave no room for development of an individual or a society and is based on 7th century 💩💩.
Today onwards women's cricket team must allow women cricketers in Hijab too not in prescribed Indian jersey....coz A/T Gupta ji ...you can't deny her right to play just because of Hijab.... ये अलग ही दरबारी पत्रकार हैं
Really?? Are you nuts?? Or deliberately try not to understand the argument!!
So Sikh soldiers and players should stop wearing the turban also?
Art 25(1)
Would you say the same thing for sikhs? Would you ask them to take their turbans off? Your silence is an answer itself.
@@tamberlame27 yes, they need to choose between turban and job/education
As a Pakistani, I completely agree with the points made in this video.
HIJAB is to recognise slave girl and muslim girl during profit mohmad time here is the verses of QURAN 33:59..."o prophet, tell your wives and your daughter and the woman of the believes to draw their cloaks close round them ( when they go abroad) that will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed, Allah is ever forgive merciful... So this quote give licence to the muslim men to make slave other than muslim girl... Ye jihadi sudarne wale nahi hain
@@shankoers3349 is this true?
@@akshaymargonwar5331 and then reply me
@@akshaymargonwar5331 and don't forget to share the link to others
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Biggest problem in Asia is people too much religious! Keep the constitution above all. There shouldn't be any law above the constitution
This is the first time I am speaking up on this row and I want to say that I absolutely agree with you SG. If you want to end regression in one community, you cannot support it in another one. Using Quran to justify hijab alienates modern Muslim women like me. Those woman should be allowed to schools but on the grounds of right to choose and not right to practice a religion.
Someone gets the point, but you know what this time i really am afraid that if this judgement really allows hijab and calls it an essential part of islam, muslims girls of india will be doomed and so India with them.the judgement Will be used by the conservatives to assert that if you don't wear hijab you are going against Islam. I've always believed that for modern education to begin in a family 1st generation has to shed the personal identities that choice literally changes everything for the better
Thats the point!! U should be allowed tho..
U cant takeaway somebody's right to wear a hijab
I agree. They should have the right to wear it. But not because religion mandates it but because they like it. Those court petitions are doing it all wrong
It can't be allowed to wear a hijab as a personal choice to a school or college if that place has a uniform mandated!
Otherwise, the remaining students also have the right to wear what they need as their choice instead of the uniform.
That's not what we are discussing here. We are discussing if the reasoning behind it is acceptable or not. Court will take the final decision on entry to school
Very good analysis. You are one of the best neutral journalists from India. I as a Muslim second your opinion. The Holy Quran says "There is no compulsion in religion". Wearing hijab and leaving beard is good and appreciated by our religion and it is good if we practice it but it's not mandatory. So if anyone wears a cap or turban or burqa or leave beard, let it be their own choice. We must respect their choice . Religion is a very personal matter of a person. We should not impose our thoughts or beliefs to others. Thanks. Keep up the good work. Respect from Pakistan.
Nothing is being imposed. Religion is personal matter. YES.👍 Therefore one go schools/colleges for education not for religious practices. Therefore students should wear school/college uniform be it of any religion. They can wear/do whatever they want outside the school/colleges.
Appreciate your views. I have seen some handles in Pakistan that are narrating this whole incident as hindutva people terrorising muslim girls in India. The reality is nothing like that. These are teenagers who are passionate in their views. But the final call will be taken in the court as it should be.
Religion is not a personal matter. Personal matters are not written in 7th century Arabic books. It's a matter of groupism and conditioning. And when the conditioning becoming strong, it's translates into laws. So please dont think religion is personal. The only thing that's personal is what you say in your prayers. That's it.
I have done my schooling from one of the biggest school and a decent college as well. Not once did I see women in ghoonghat Or hijab in these institutions.
Therefore, hijab women are not getting their education properly. You don't see hijab women in IITs, IIMs, etc.
Meaning they're not free enough.
@Ismail Khan Accha, Tajikistan banned burqa in all public places similarly France and Switzerland. Can India follow these countries?
For a long time, the custom has been that muslim girls can wear hijab between school and home, but they will keep it away during classes. Why do these muslim girls want to change it in the middle of school year? Hijab isn't a prescribed thing in Quran. Many muslims will agree with me that Quran only said these are good practices not compulsory.
Also, hijab and burkha are meant for women safety in 7th century. What harm will these 21st century women feel if they attend classes without it? They have equated hijab to their identity and that a uniform without it to an attack on their faith. One of the girls even said "I was made to realise I am a muslim"... But no, it is you who are insisting that you are a muslim first and a student later. Only time will tell if this is good or bad for their own interests.
Totally agree with the opinions expressed.
As a nation we have indulged so much into whataboutery that we fail to see reason in simplest of things. The way this whole issue is played out, it will simply entrench people more into their opinions.
As you are a Muslim,
What is the general notion in your family, among your relatives or your muslim friend circle on the issue,,
I asked cause I don't have any idea what an ordinary muslim thinks about the issue..
@@sagnikdebsarkar169 You lost East Bengal right?
@@sahilbharti7047 ??
@@sagnikdebsarkar169 Bengali Hindu lost East Bengal, fled from there to save lives. But love Communist ideology, Great. Waiting for extinction in next 200 years ( low fertility rate than Wahabi fanatics).
@@sahilbharti7047 hmm..true
Things are pretty bad here
This editorial in my opinion is the best and one of the best in the current issue. Shekhar Sir is just exceptional with his analysis.
What a brilliant insight on this issue!! I hope video gets shared to a vast majority because specially indian Hindus need to understand what they are supporting in order to show their wokenss is nothing but wrong ..if you support hijab that means you support ghoonghat pratha... which is equally wrong!
ghoonghat and hijab are not same omg 🤦♀️ Hijab is an essential practice of muslim women its just like a turban for Sikhs! we were it everywhere we go, it has been commanded by Allah to wear hijab for muslim women. Please get some knowledge and then comment
@@user-ll4zu9xo4h hijab is not an essential practice. That's why Saudi Arabia has changed the law
@@thatbadguy2899 "hijab is not essential practice" says the one who doesn't know anything about islam and regards islam as Saudi a country lol get yourself some knowledge mate 😉
@@user-ll4zu9xo4h isn't essential in a sunni majority country and in the past wasn't essential in Iran which is a Shia country
@@user-ll4zu9xo4h says whose have there forefather as Hindu..and forcefully converted to islam now playing victim card around the world....lol
If any particular education institute restrict any clothes or accessories in the classroom, student should abide the decision.
*Turbans and hijabs now officially part of US Army uniform* In USA 🇺🇸 Sikhs protested because US military required all men to keep a short clean haircut and no Patka/turban. 👳🏻♂️ *But after Sikh protested, they changed the rules.*
Now you are allowed to wear turban 👳🏻♂️ and hijab 🧕🏾 in the US army.
New regulations will allow soldiers to wear turbans, beards and hijabs in most circumstances unless the head coverings present a "specific, concrete hazard ... that cannot be mitigated by reasonable measures". They were welcomed by the Sikh Coalition.
The rules say hijabs and turbans must be made from "a subdued material in a colour that closely resembles the assigned uniform" or, if the soldier is wearing combat gear, camouflage material. Personnel can be ordered to use fire-resistant cloth.
An example of authorized hijab and turban wear with the Army Service Uniform (Source: Army Direction 2017-13) -
"The material will be free of designs or markings, except that a Soldier wearing the Army Combat Uniform may wear a hijab or turban in a camouflage pattern matching the uniform," according to the directive.
@@AJ-vu5gv US is not our ideal. India follows what indians need
@@AJ-vu5gv US also allows gun posession.
I do not need to tell you how bad the situation is due to this. India me bhi kr de kya guns allow !!???
So, better apply your brain before spamming a copied comment on every section.
Insaan h, to kaahe ko bot bnna h tujhe.
@@harshb747 Why I am not seeing you are calling for ban on Mangalsutra, sindur wearing teachers in schools ? What Indians need is not same as what a bunch of RSS hooligans need. So shut up. Indian constitution ALLOWS every Indian citizen to wear any religious attire they want.
Educational institutions are not legal bodies that can regulate a citizen's right to practise religion. In such cases a person's constitutional freedom is paramount. Even Army in India can not stop Sikhs from wearing Turbans.
It is incredible that there’s an issue here.
I have personally known a lot of girls (about 25-30 years ago) in western Maharashtra who went to missionary-run convent schools, which go by name St. Helena or St. Joseph where they would be sent back if they wore bindis or bangles or mehendi to school. It was (probably still is) absolutely banned in those schools.
I have never heard anybody or any liberals having any issue with it!
Indian Who went to Convent School & They did not Protest are People with Low Moral Value.
@@Nuamsi why now? These girls were in uniform for years, so were they immoral until now?
Muslim women wore burqa , hindus went with saffron scarfs, both were not allowed entry.
It's same for all,
This is just political drama to divide and rule.
Dude.. it's Christian missionary run schools, we are talking government collages here, government institutions are supposed to be inclusive..
@@muhammadshahalkc3375 that government school has a uniform code....
If muslim can wear hijab but hindus can also saffron shawl
@@anikasrivastava3320 hijab is the headscarf, all this issue started when the collage denied entry to girls who were wearing scarf even though the school dress code says Muslim girls can wear hijab of certain color :-)
This was the reason when Jinnah fought for freedom and you will see Indian muslims will wakeup sooner or later.
Jinnah fought for Pakistan and in 1971, 2.4 million Bengali Hindus were slaughtered during Operation Searchlight.
You are just a by product of a thousand years of invasions.
We live in a world where religion is so insecure that if you comment, ask questions - it has enough languishing pop heads to say they were offended. Many years ago it was forbidden to watch movies, tv, own and display photographs in Islam. Now many preacheres are on tv and on various social platforms. When did this change? Likewise is hijab. But qhen its convenient its about modesty and all that jazz. Both priests and politicians are crooks. And yet this is a non issue. Karnataka has much more significant and important issues to address this is not one of them.
why just Karnataka entire country is facing many severe issues like unemployment, poverty because of covid 19
This hijab burqa non sense is just waste of time
@kaiser masood Are you for real a Muslim? We are a very devout Muslim community and have never been "forbidden to watch movies, tv, own and display photographs" . Maybe you lived with Taliban. 😂 A request; don't add fuel to fire, please.
@@inscriptedgold9423 please go ahead and do a through check of your religion. Consult your priests as well. In Islam photography is forbidden. Hence, tv, movies - all come on the same category. When it comes to any religion i dont have to add any fuel. Fuel and fire are both plentiful in all religions.
problem is most of this issue are symptoms of a preindustrialised nation. if you see muslim majority nations like uzbekistan, azerbaijan, kazakhstan, albania, kosovo etc.
they are very liberal modern progresive coz they undergone industrialization by soviet regime. if USA havent funded taliban, afghanistan today would be a liberal modern nation.
infact some parts of syria were also industrialized by hafez al assad (ex prez of syria)
@@Pravar It's not because of industrialisation, USSR(which was atheist) destroyed religious conservatism in these country,it failed to do so in Afghanistan because of USA
The country you said are not industrialised completely they still depend on raw material export for their economy
1). India is a secular country
2). Places of public education are public spaces
3). Uniformity must be there in dressing for all students.
4). Skullcaps and Hijab are not essential for Islam as Turbans are for Sikhs
5). If Hijab is allowed then so is bikini
Please Quote authentic verses from Quran to support your point #4 if any. Its baseless as it is. Sorry.
@@naderjunaid6733 Bhaisab, your polygamy is not allowed in many Muslim countries, so why do you do it.
@@naderjunaid6733 the onus is on you to prove.
You should wear a bikini and go to college next time and make that point. Good luck.
Hijab IS ESSENTIAL as turbans in Sikhs. Are you kidding me? Do you have a degree on islamic knowledge? No then don't go on commenting about someone's religion you have no knowledge about.
Mr SG, all the religion has one or the other customs and traditions to be followed. Hindus have their own set of rules, Christians have their own and Muslims have their own. But the core principle behind School uniforms is that, once the students came to college, irrespective of their religion they should look similar. Tomorrow, some other student from some other faith will have some issues with the school uniforms. This mater will not end with Hijab. in the future muslim women may demand Naqab or the face cover also.
Similar Thing happed in Kerala, no national media reported it. why only concentrate on BJP ruled states?
Till December 31st, All the 6 students of Govt Girls' College c=attened college without aany face cover. College even released proofs for it. All of a sudden they demanded for Hijab.
So what about the Sikhs wearing a turban? Will it stop them next?
@@namelessentitywatchingyou8439 , **Muslims are saying, If Sikh's turban can get an exemption, why can't Hijab? My answer to this point is well, during the time of partition, three major religions were Hindu-Muslim and Sikhs. Muslims demanded a 'Pak' Land devoid of infidels such as Hindus and Sikhs. and with fire and blood, they got what they needed. But the Sikhs didn't. They remained with us.
**For this gratitude, a separate state of present-day Punjab is created for them. Some exemptions were made for their turban and kirpan.
**If partition didn't take place in 1947, all the provisions for Hijab could have been done.
@@akshay4992 Where is it written?? Can you share the source
@@gautammittal1481, **If Muslim Girls are quoting Quran and Hadith for their argument. As per the Quran, Muslim women can only expose their face (chin to forehead) and their hands. The rest of the body should be covered.
The funny part is these Muslim girls are seeking only for the headscarf, they do not seem to be interested to cover their forearm and elbow. As per the Quran whatever the Muslim girls are saying is still not enough.
**If the Hon'ble Court has to give judgement based on the Quran, it has to prescribe cover the full body of the Muslim girls, which again create some repercussions.
**Tomorrow some Muslim men go to court saying as per their religion, they are supposed to be wearing a shirt having a length that surpasses their knee and a pajama that can never cross their ankle. This madness will never end.
@@akshay4992 I am asking about the "Some Exceptions" regarding Turban & Kirpan. Where is it written that since after Partition Sikhs didn't get their own country so that's why they are exempted. State your authentic sources for that
Excellent video. This is called unbiased analysis and Journalism the way it should be. Salute to Shekhar Guptaji, I sent US $ 25 contribution via Paypal. Thanks
I am 33 years old in my educational years never seen any Muslim with hijab or a Hindu with Saffron scarf in school or college.
But I saw, Sikhs with Turban & Kara and Hindus with Tilak, Threads & Choti which are not the part of dress code of any Schools, Colleges & Offices but people had no issues ever bcs when we believe in co-existance, we respect and let people practice their religious beliefs. I think, this isn't tough to understand!
@@Omarism Who do you mean by "we"? This "we" that believes in religious freedom? This "we" is a tiny collective in a predominantly intolerant Islam. There was a "we" in Nazi Germany too. And that "we" was proved irrelevant. There's was a "we" in China too. There was a "we" in every anti-civilizational ideology. Everytime it has proved the "we" unfailingly and ultimately irrelevant
@@Omarism Bro Thabeez , Threads , Kara & lockets Are also associated with Muslim community brother don’t be so naive .
No one is stopping you to practice your faith, religion is a personal thing and it need to remain personal . You can’t bring your faith in secular institution or educational institutions.
@Ismail Khan Personal choice. Yes. I agree. But are we supposed to overlook the fact that hijab was originally introduced as a form of female oppression? Aren't muslims taught to believe everything written in their book as the only truth? You only need look at 99 percent of muslim countries/societies and their track record at gender equality. Let's not lose sight of the core fundamentals with a lazy attitude and ideological biases.
One of the best ctc in recent weeks 👏🏻👏🏻
This has to be the most forward looking and the beat decluttering of a topic cut-the-clutter has ever done great job Shekar Sir...
More nuanced analysis by Shrub
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but that scoundrel says love jihad affects hindu women but says nothing about the harassment they face after the fraud marriage by jihadi scoundrels
If a women is forced to wear a hijab, it's bad. But if she chooses to wear it by will, we can't deny her that right.
Excellent analysis shekharji. I was reluctant to watch considering waste of time on this issue but you prove me wrong.Your observation is 100 percent correct
Congratulations to SG and the entire team for this CTC episode. This shall go down as one of the best episodes in times to come. Kudos!
BJP waiting with full hungry. IF the court will talk again uniform civil court, BJP will jump with full-fledged power to implement uniform civil code.
You have not learnt Hard lesson of our History....
Mandate for implementation of UCC is in constitution. Directive principles of state policy. Art 44 ( if I remember right).
Prasanna ji i think you forgotten the our history. How they distroyed our country. First secular word belongs to came from Central Asia. This word not fit our country.
Everytime I listen to SG, I understand that his legacy stands tall. Beyond all, and everything, no one can parallel him in the coming decades. Thank you for being honest, thank you for being rational, and thank you for voicing that little sanity of a voice from a piece of India we still hold dear.
Though we debate and are separated by ideologies, univocally all of us here in the comments agree that you are still the common man's rational.
I'm a critic of SG n print...
But this episode appears to me close to an unbiased exercise...
Thanks SG....
Dear Mr S B, I live in the same town Udupi, things shown in this video are factually incorrect.
1. College authorities didn't allow the students who came to college with saffron shawls as well. College authorities are more than fair. Why SG talks only about rights of Muslims girls? Why he is not speaking about the rights of Hindu boys and Girls who were denied education?
Thank you for making this cut the clutter. I agree with Mr Shekhar on most of the things he says - Fighting evil on all sides and at the same time is important. However I have one question to Mr Shekhar , if a private school wants to enforce a uniform , do people who not belive in that rule not enroll and go to a school where they can wear their own choice of clothes? If a Texan visits India displaying his guns , should we allow him to roam around in India with his guns ? The concept of uniforms in schools is to bring all students at the same level , doesnt this then defeat the purpose of uniform if we keep bending to all religious beliefs? If i make a religion tomorrow that says being nudist is the rule in my religion , so should schools now allow naked children? Why are the judges becooming politicians and not enforcing the law but trying to find a judgement that doesnt offend the public.
The saddest thing is school children who barely understand the issue , are losing more valuable education and school time (all schools in Karnataka are being shut over this having already lost over 2 years of schooling) in the name of politics and will gain nothing from this. Brings a bad name to the country as well as the issue globalises.
i feel govt institutions should have no uniform...with private schools you have a choice, don't like teachers, uniform, playground, morning prayer go to another school. Govt institutions must welcome any student that wants to attend
*Turbans and hijabs now officially part of US Army uniform* In USA 🇺🇸 Sikhs protested because US military required all men to keep a short clean haircut and no Patka/turban. 👳🏻♂️ *But after Sikh protested, they changed the rules.*
Now you are allowed to wear turban 👳🏻♂️ and hijab 🧕🏾 in the US army.
New regulations will allow soldiers to wear turbans, beards and hijabs in most circumstances unless the head coverings present a "specific, concrete hazard ... that cannot be mitigated by reasonable measures". They were welcomed by the Sikh Coalition.
The rules say hijabs and turbans must be made from "a subdued material in a colour that closely resembles the assigned uniform" or, if the soldier is wearing combat gear, camouflage material. Personnel can be ordered to use fire-resistant cloth.
An example of authorized hijab and turban wear with the Army Service Uniform (Source: Army Direction 2017-13) -
"The material will be free of designs or markings, except that a Soldier wearing the Army Combat Uniform may wear a hijab or turban in a camouflage pattern matching the uniform," according to the directive.
@@AJ-vu5gv Maybe we can also allow hijab that matches with school uniform for muslim girls. Would that be ok? There must be some type of uniform and not a burqa which they wear whether at school and in markets.
@@sliverfox4596 what hindu stuff happens in school? Yagya vagere hote hai kya ? Ya ved padhye ja rahe hai mere time to aisa nahi tha
Why would a school authority impose an uniform on people from different cultural background ? If they want to do so they should do with after consultation with every community. Why should it exclude certain section ? A school is not a constitutional or legal authority. If they want students from all background they have to cater to their sensibilities. School is not a dictatorship.
Brilliant episode as always.
You cannot be hypocritical in your defense of liberal values.
It’s time for uniform civil code.
One nation, one law!
What has uniform civil code has to do with this?
@@jaswindersinghnarula4379 everything
@@subhampriyadarshi1645 explain please! Its just a head scarf.
@@jaswindersinghnarula4379 you don’t get it… the headscarf is just a minor symbol of a major problem.. you cannot have selective defense of secular values and then have “personal” laws for different religions. That violates secularism like nothing else.
@@garyish I dont get it? It is a scarf for god's sake and you get to personal laws from this! They are wearing and not forcing anyone. I personally dont like the concept behind it (hijaab) but it is just a scarf and if they want to wear then what should be my problem. Live and let live! Let's say tomorrow some school bans turban to Sikh students as that is not part of uniform, what would be your opinion then? It can happen the way things are going. Again it is just a scarf and people are getting so touchy, my god I dont believe it! Such a pathetic state our country has come to. And the response of people to this is giving saffron scarfs to other hindu students so as to divide them more, great! To be honest I dont believe they were actual students and more like hired goons but the division has been done.
Islam also mandates Hijab for Men as required for men and also mandates Hijab for Women. Men and Women are equal but not Identical.
Thanks Shekhar for putting in words what I was pretty much thinking but not able to describe, even to myself, so well.
Agreed
By telling truth, Shekhar Gupta will have to face animosity from IslamistsLeftists!
Indeed!
Although opinionated, but much needed declutter.
@@iforindia8509 Yes, such a sad time. If u don't agree with them, u r wrong. I mean where is rationale thinking and equality.
Exactly 👀😀
Extremely unbiased analysis, I must say this.
@Sharat Sundar There are elections in UP as well. Having said that, dont agree with the practice of hijaab but wont deny anyone an entry because of that.
@@jaswindersinghnarula4379 every year is a election year in india tbh.
@@jaswindersinghnarula4379 Shekhar Gupta is saying the same thing in 30 min! You don't have to like the idea of hijab to stand with the girls.
I totally agree with SG on this one. Patriarchy needs to be condemned from both sides.
I am a regular viewer of ur cut the clutter episodes believe it this is the best episodee I have ever seen....I am going to share it with all my friends and family members.
I think Right to education only covers children upto age 14, PUC(pre University) age of those girls will be some 16,17,18 so I don't think they are covered by right to education act
You speak only to clause 1 of artcile 21A but if you read further it covers higer eductation as well. Lets not make the same mistake as our dumass neighbours who read clause 1 of plebiscite and but failed to read the other contigencies and now cry foul.
There is difference between free and compulsory education and right to education.
Afghan girls don't like hijab so let's swap these Indian Muslims girls with Afghan girls
I asked my mom who is 62 years old whether she saw any muslim girl of her school and college days wearing hizab... She said no.. She didn't even knew hizab exists in India.. Was only aware of burkha that too older ladies used to wear... I'm in my 30s and I too never saw muslim girls of school or college age wearing one.... Why this is happening now? Whether fundamentalism from both side is causing or global influence coming to India????
Saudi pumping money to madrassas and masjids and is spreading Wahabism
Ask your great grand mother, whether indian women used to wear blouse 150 years ago.. if you want go back to the past.. I don't understand why the fuck men are even discussing what the women want to wear.
@@muhammadshahalkc3375 typical madrasa chap logic !!
Pls have a hijab and don't come to the secular institutions..... Have your hijab in madrasa
@@smokingtom404 ok sir
@25:00, Shekhar has easily rugged a complex issue under the carpet by equating Love Jihad law as a state tool to undermine Women's individual Liberty in UP. While you can totally agree that rural areas are still regressive in terms of religious freedom to choose your partner, but you can not say Love jihad is not a problem. The problem is, when the same thing happens in Britain as termed as "Grooming" we accept it happens. But when girls of majority in India are wrongfully targetted, deceived and kind of lured in name of love with ulterior motives, Then the liberals say, oh this law is bad, it's an attack on individual Liberty. Why can't we say that the law should be made full proof and not attack individual Liberty while also preventing girls from falling prey to Love jihad, or Grooming. Whatever you want to call it.
Grooming happened in Britain with underage/minor girls. Almost 98% marriages in India are endogamous I.E within the same community. The Central Govt itself as well as several research papers and NCRB reports have stated that the phenomenon called Love Jihad simply does not exist. Do not try to infantilise women and criminalise love that does not conform to your bigoted standards. Also, don’t draw a false equivalence between unrelated issues to suit your narratives. A syncretic India is precious, educate yourself and stand up for your countrywomen.
***Cental Govt during Question hour had zero data on Love Jihad
In their anti Hindu anti BJP mind, fake names, profiles, grooming, fakery doesn't exist and even if does, any fakery is ok as it is deemed the girl wants to marry.
Remember, Hindu boys get killed regularly for romancing Muslim girls... that isn't a problem at all! How dare Hindus act like this? Death is justified.
That's the problem.
@@mariyasethwala6609 And no Hindu boys have been killed for romancing girls from other communities. Yes.
@@mariyasethwala6609 i believe the urban dwellers in our country are far conncted from the truth. They have little to no understanding of how the tier 3 and 3/4 cities or rural life is. That's why, they prefer living in this utopian world. As much as I would love to agree with what you said. Unfortunately, ground realities differ, and in great contrast. And grooming is not only an under 18 phenomenon.
I am an atheist and i strongly oppose all religions and their traditions including hinduism/islam/ sikhism wether people think it is good or bad.
If Hijab gets allowed on basis of religious book. I m gonna come up with my new religion allowing me to take mobile in exam n if u deny it , its attack on my religion
You will be declared person of unsound mind 😂
I want to convert in it
I think some supreme court in America did allow Pastafarians to wear colander over their heads.
😅😅
i really like Shri Shekhar Gupta's views and his style of presenting them.
Sir, Thank you. I was blinded by my dislike of BJP. Your cut the clutter has open my mind!
Shekhar Gupta completely misses the point.
Shabano was about court ruling to give a woman a progressive right to overcome a religious restriction.
In Hijab case the woman is not asking for a relief from a religious custom. She is praying to be allowed to follow her custom. If denied, effectively it is asking her to choose between one of the two fundamental rights - Education and Religion.
In the end it is a choice of a woman to follow her religion or not. If a Hindu woman choses to wear a Bindi, one can't deny that. One can't force her to do that either. Same goes for a Sikh Boy wearing a Turban. Denying those rights - just because Shekhar Gupta thinks it is regressive is not right.
True
Very essential dimension of being modern and progressive. Good content
The best I have heard from Sekhar on this channel. Thank you. I request others to circulate it as much as possible. We have now a Shah Bano moment in the country, let's not allow repeat of the mistake of Rajiv Gandhi. Thank You The Print. 🙏
So my JAIN friend wants to dress according to his beliefs so would that be ok with other students??
@Sharat Sundar By common sense, you mean, "you are a man belonging to an Indic religion in India, you have no such thing as rights", naa?
@Sharat Sundar so u have the permission to wear ur religious attire but we don't?? Ur mindset is oppressive..
Dear Shekhar Ji, It requires courage to draw out such a nuanced discussion and also poke fingers in the eye of typical Indian hypocritical left liberalism. As a bengali we will also be on huge debt to you for rising voice against the vilification of Meghnad Saha in you another marvellous article in print. Thank you.
Aap chronology note kijiye 1) Dadis on CAA 2) Sikh Farmers on farm laws 3) Muslim school girls on Hijab 4) NGO activist on Pegasus.... Minorities protesting on flimsy issues irrelevant to India or majority of Indians... See the pattern ?? In each case RG goes on "mysterious" holidays to unknown foreign destination just before.... Perfectly shot emotionally evocative videos featuring "star" protagonist appear by magic .... "international" celebrities, media , NGOs , LeLi twitter handles are primed and "waiting" to create "intolerant India" narrative ... How many dots are needed before we connect ??
Bhai, itni badi conspiracy theory? 😂
@Susan Joseph Lol, main voh "Rahul" se bht disagree karta hu 😅
Going by SG logic, if someone wants to wear hijab in police / army, they should be allowed? If not, then why this choice in schools ? Many schools too have uniforms like police / army.
Second - SG is mistaken about having a choice about what’s written in the book. Nothing is optional. Each and every word / diktat is to be compulsorily followed.
You are comparing apples with oranges, firstly the rule book for the govt college clearly states that hijab can be a part of uniform as long as it matches the color of the uniform. It also comes under essential religious duty so who is the state govt to pass a GO and ban it?
Secondly, the army/police comes under employment. When someone signs the offer letter they are over atleast 18 and abide by the rules and laws of that entity. This is a govt college for students who are in the teenage years. If they want to put on a hijab, why stop them? And especially why to pass a GO just before UP elections to polarise the issue? The state cannot enforce what a woman should wear
Why are sikhs allowed to wear turbans in the indian army then if we follow your logic?
@@AliZee909 where in quran hijab is written can you tellplz?
@@AliZee909 can't you comprise even a little bit guys ?? Jain's , Jewish, Buddhists, Christians are also in minority they don't behave like you do always , everyone is going ahead with progressive ideas but you guys don't want to move forward, why is that ? 51% literacy rate is of muslim women 65% is national average of women , you people have the least capita income , you guys can do halal , genital mutilation, polygamy and many more with your special rights , you guys have separate government colleges like Amu and Jamia in which there is 80 % reservation for muslims , there is no special reservation to Jain's , Jewish , Buddhists, they still don't complain....
@@dhruvkaushik2823 they want to be damads of this country and their justification is following the 7th century cult and pulling everything behind with them. The Saudis have understood this and they are the original founders of Islam yet the comparatively new converts shows more enthusiasm in following the regressive diktats of their religion.
Agreed ! Now I get some perspective. Thank you!
my onion for whole episode :keep your so called faith outside school door when you have gone there to study and observe the institute norms. India has minority institutions and those who want education with faith ,go to those minority institiues with ur hijab or what ever you want. Time for UCC(Uniform Civil Code) has come......
"Everybody is quite interested in covering their women" 🤣🤣 well said. Sad truth.
Till last month head veils were so called "choice", but now the same guys say to court it's "mandated by religion". In what universe you have the right to 'choose' if it's 'mandatory'? Wtf!!
@@invincible...9390 It's not mandatory in Islam
@@invincible...9390 If it's a religious obligation then you don't have the choice. What is there that you are not able to understand?
When you are walking into an institution, you go by its rules. All your 'choice' thing, gets ditched right there. Be it a hijab, a pair of jeans, a ghoonghat or whatever.... You need to drop it, if the institution asks you to. Most of us have grown studying in Convent schools,which didn't allow wearing the Kalawa, or even a Tilak. We didn't create a ruckus. You cannot be imposing your choice of wear, over an institution, that has clear-well written rules on this.
When you walk into a Mazaar, you wear your hijab;When you walk into a Gurudwara, you cover your head;When you walk into a temple, follow the rules, that they impose; All this choice BS ,is restricted to your personal space. No institution will respect your choice, incase, if it has a rule, defining the thing....
In this case, the college had a clear rule on the uniform;You don't like it, you are free to leave it. You can go to a place, where your 'choice' can be practised....
When you create public ruckus over it, people will react and resist.... You will cause public nuisance and drama.... Nothing else.
Convent schools are private, the discussion is about public collages that are state funded. The state funds come with the entrapment of following the constitutional law and we follow the American secularism model not the French. So I would assume you have updated ur reference on this issue
Right & Wrong.. Personal choice is a right. Its the other version of patriarchy that you must fit into the specific box. Why are our politicians, elected reps, bureaucrats even defense allows religious dresses (tilaks, caps, kadas, turbans). Lets start change in these public offices & posts. If those in public offices have the right, then every individual has to be given the same right.
PS: not in support of all of those including hijabs not in schools but in any institutions. These identities are the seeds of "difference creation" the fuel for those who benefit from binary propagandas.
@@vineethniranjan4 I don't agree.Any institution, be it a religious, private or a government funded institution having rules, will resist your choice of clothing, if it has a RULE based on clothing. If everyone today, starts wearing something of their so called 'CHOICE'....How are we going to create a law - abiding nation?? Discipline is foremost...I don't agree with all this government or private funded BS. St. Stephen's College, Delhi, is funded 95% by the State. But 50% of the seats are reserved for Christians. What are we going to do?? Create ruckus, once again??
@@vemmanr Read my comment carefully. I have clearly mentioned, IF an Institute has set rules on clothing... Follow it. The Constitution DOES NOT mention any rules on the clothing of politicians and bureaucrats. If it would have, I would have supported your claim, on why politicians are dressing themselves up, like Modern Day Raja Babu... But there are no rules set on them. Hence, Sadhvi Pragya wears saffron; Owaisi wears a skull cap.... And so on.... I would not have supported their clothing, had the Constitution restricted it. But it doesn't.
So this analogy, doesn't help.
@@vineethniranjan4 It is true that we don't follow Laicité, in this country. We follow the Panth-Nirapaksh model, where the State doesn't side with any one religion. There is NO separation of State from Religion,but at the same time, we also don't side with one.Okay.But the question is, how is it helping?? We are inconsistent in everything,even on the basis of the Indian Model. Let me give you some examples-
a. The State controls Hindu Temples, but doesn't control Mosques or Churches. Hindu Devotees pay their money to the State... While others, don't... How is it consistent?? Even on American or Indian terms, this is pure extortion. We are Panth-Nirapaksh, I agree. But how is this even Panth-Nirapaksh, when you are EXTORTING money only from Temples?? How does that make you unbiased??
2.The State funds Christian Schools and Madrassas... Again, to get a licence, for opening a Hindu School, with State funding.... It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE. I have NEVER seen a State Funded Hindu School.All are private. Even for opening them, you need to fight a long battle of problems. Where is the consistency?? Even on American and Indian terms of Secularism, it is blatantly biased and rigged. Is this the kind of nation-building, we wish to do??
You are only person who made sensible remarks on the issue.
I was waiting for ThrPrint view on this I dont trust the other outlets to cover this issue in a fair manner. They are more interested in increasing viewership or other agenda. As expected the topic was covered from all angle and was very nuanced. Thank you.
The most logical interpretation I have heard on this matter. Respect to you shekar ji
I appreciate putting so much effort into making this video. First of all, there were no one wearing hijabs before 8 weeks ago in the same school where the protest started. Please put in more efforts to look into what happened in 8 weeks. 6 girls coming in with hijab and starting to make an issue out of nothing is just an outcome of things that have conspired over the last several weeks.
This question of choice and BS doesn’t apply to such a case where the conspiracy is something else. We all understand the right, the choice and fundamentals of constitution.
Yes ; There seems to be a strange coincidence at the time of state elections ;
@@maniaphobia4719 campus front of India is behind all this and that poster girl is a political activist ! She has pictures with Kanhaiya , jignesh , opposed CAA nrc
@@aryankumarjha4274 Not a surprise and was waiting ; Misguided youth by religious fundamentalists ;
There were no one wearing hijabs 8 weeks ago.
What's the source ?
Trust me bro.