i mean, the thing is that he never did go through 'character development' to say, because he was always like that- i dont think his morals changed, it was just the different situations in which he took action in different ways. but true, the parallells are funny
like the prev reply, it was not a char dev. He was on a mission from tsarisa herself. And he would complete it whatever the consequences. All other times, he's just a chill dude wanting to fight powerful opponents.
@@PeruvianPotato the only reason why I'm still sticking around is because I like what Steel Wool is doing but otherwise I definitely would've done the same lol
Scaramouche didn't stop killing the bladesmiths because he was bored. He stopped killing when one of them turned out to be Niwa's descendant. I'm not saying this makes him better (or worse), just pointing this out Also, there's a quest in Fontaine called "Questioning Melusine and Answering Machine" (slight SPOILERS) At the end of the quest, a person is left dead on the stage of the Opera House, his tongue torn out and a note left in his mouth. It was an apology letter written by a Harbinger interested in mechanisms, who's not Dottore (so, Sandrone mist likely). I'm very excited to know exactly why said Harbinger felt they needed to apologise to the Traveler
Husk of Opulent Dream states that he grew bored. It’s possible that the text is just reflecting his own excuses/justifications but it’s nonetheless what the text itself says.
@@1L1KEP0TAT0ES i think one of my personal favourite crack theories about Sandrone is that it's actually Alain Guillotin (the guy who created the Fontaine Research Institute and discovered Pneuma & Ousia) Let me explain: Firstly, the girl we see presented as Sandrone in the Teaser looks a lot like an adult version of Mary Ann Guillotin (Alain's sister) who died tragically in an explosion (the same one from which the Melusines were born). Alain himself was heavily involved with the research of machinery, and was a kind of genius in the field. He's known for creating Seymour (the vaguely sentient robot-dog) and clockwork Meka in general. In fact, most of Fontaine's technological progress is his achievement. His death, interestingly enough, is also not specified: he's known to have become a shut-in crazed with his research in his later years, and his final fate is unknown. (Sandrone is also a known shut-in btw). And now Sandrone for some reason felt the need to apologize to the Traveler, whom they haven't met or seemingly interacted with before in any way? The theory's explanation for this would be the Traveler's involvement in Narzissenkreuz Quest. The Traveler fixed Seymour, found and freed the remaining consciousness of Mary Ann Guillotin, and finished Alain's job by disposing of Narzissenkreuz. Again, this is a crack theory mostly held together by vibes, so don't take it too seriously
@@_dragonflies_ THISSS I HAVE BEEN OBSESSED WITH THIS no way that look is a coincidence, although I haven’t though much about Alain, thank you for this info! I think I’ll go an readership it more now :D
Dottore is evil for sure but we still don't know enough about him and why he's so obsessed with human enhancements. Hoyo always cooks with mad scientist type of characters just look at Dr. MEI, Mobius, Vill V and Otto from Hi3rd. I also wouldn't say Scara is on his redemption arc, redemption arc implies he wants to do heroic things but he says it himself he will never be one of the good guys. He sees human relationships transactional which I think is common among harbingers.
i disagree that scara isn't in his redemption arc. maybe it's not a typical redemption arc where he ends up being a good guy or a hero, but it's about him righting past wrongs and taking accountability for the terrible things he's done in the past. in one of his character voice lines (i dont remember which one), he mentions that he wants to find descendants of the raiden gokaden and tell them to truth about what actually happened and tell them that he's the one responsible, and if they want to kill him or hurt him, then so be it. maybe he's not exactly trying to redeem himself, but it seems like he doesn't want to run away from the problems he caused and wants to take accountability for them
For the most part, I agree with where you placed most of the harbingers. I would just move Arle slightly upwards mainly because I don't think people realize how on the whole "grooming child soldiers" she's kinda trapped between a rock and a hard place. She kinda got lucky that the tsaritsa pardoned her for killing Crucabena because I doubt the fatui would let someone who killed a harbinger run around free doing whatever they please. Also, the HoTH is very useful to the Fatui, so its not like Arle can stop providing child soldiers and the rest of the harbingers will be okay with that. Also in terms of her overall goals, I don't claim to know for sure because I have barely seen anyone mention this but I think at some point during her quest I think she mentioned how Clervie wished for the House of the Hearth to be a "real home" where no one died or was sacrificed. So I definitely she wants to separate the House of the Hearth from the Fatui at some point. And I think her "About Lyney" line affirms this. It also makes I think that Lyney will not succeed her as a harbinger but as the director of the House of the Hearth but I digress. In my opinion, Arle has a similar morality to Childe. They are both characters whose family is their main motivation. In fact, their story quests have very loose parallels as they both try to protect/prepare family members for the cruelties the world has to offer. But I also understand why you placed her where you did.
I can concede that she may have been stuck before, but the fact she refuses to do anything _after_ the Fontaine Archon Quests is inexcusable. Considering Fontaine is no longer useful to them, and the fact that they only need one more Gnosis, the Fatui would deem it a waste of soldiers and resources to try and take back a single orphanage.
@@Jackson-ub1uv I am sorry I don't quite follow. The house of the hearth is not just one "single orphanage." It's the Fatui's entire espionage department. So losing that is a huge blow to the fatui. Also, the HotH does not solely operate in Fontaine, you operate all over Teyvat. Fontaine is just their main branch.
@@Jackson-ub1uv My guy, The orphange is a branch of the fatui, not a separate entity it can't leave. Also the orphanage is financially dependant on the fatui. Do you think that Arle is pulling money out of thin air? No, the fatui financially supports the orphanage, but its very difficult to straight up leave the fatui .
@@applesauce4666 My guy, the end of Fontaine's Archon Quests leaves her on decent terms with the Spina di Rosula and Fontaine's government, so she has plenty of options. Neuvillette would be the best option as he'd be able to offer all of the funding needed, and I think the most he'd ask for is to have active Fatui agents be put on trial. Such a deal is incredibly generous, and one that Arlecchino would _have_ to take if she wanted to do what's best for the children; the orphanage would get all of the support it needs, and any convicted agents will be cared for in the Fortress of Meropide.
My opinion - Signora - Evil, Underdeveloped Tartaglia - Middle of the graph, Skirk and the “Foul Legacy” part is still a mystery. We are familiar with the name “Foul and Surtalogi” but not its connection. Balladeer - Somewhat evil, mostly developed, his revenge against Dottore still remains. Dottore - Pure evil, underdeveloped Arlecchino - Mostly developed, inbetween evil and good. Her dynasty’s origins and her real crazy self still remains though.
I agree more with the video’s placement of Childe. He’s certainly more developed than the middle of the x axis. We know most of his motives and still have room to create more stories. Though, he’s less developed than Wanderer because his arc is continuing (I’m not saying Wanderer’s arc is over, he has Abyss and maybe Irminsul, false sky connections too). Childe’s one of the most intriguing characters in Genshin and’s I’m scared they will ruin him in the future tbh, he has so much potential. I hope they don’t sideline him.
@@thomasraines1396 but he doesn’t involve in the plot. Itto is a comic relief, I don’t want that happen to Childe, at least, not when his arc is still going.
For more context in Signora's last words in CH and JP, the implications of her last words in this languages are tied to the promise Pierro made to her, she was determined to get out of Tenshukaku because if she indeed died there she was going be assimilated by the leylines of the current world, She wasn't supposed to died there because that wasn't the happily ever after that was promised to her 😢
I think Arle herself said to the Traveler that she likes being misconceived. If I remember correctly, it's when she lets Traveler know that she knows Lyney is going behind her back. That or its when she gives Lyney another day. Traveler expresses surprise she would be lenient and not just kill him on sight, and that's when she says that.
In my opinion Genshin doesn't have "Villains" in the classic sense, just different people and groups with their own agendas doing what they consider right. The Abyss Order, The Fatui and even Celestia are all groups that are introduced as just villains to be stopped but the line between who is right and wrong becomes increasingly blurred as we learn more and more in the story. Even Dottore who is the closest we have to "pure evil" only does what he does in the name of science and human evolution and not because he just enjoys causing pain and i am curious so see the role he will have on the story
And wtf does that mean, in now way DOttore doing what he does in name of science redeem him. WTF is your statement. Is Ramsay Bolton also not classicaly villain, because he flayes people alive because he "thinks its the right thing to do???"
@@antihmota4625 When did I say that this redeems him? I said that he is a character who does what he does for reasons that in his mind are worth it and not because he likes to cause pain. He won't just kill someone on the street for no reason or torture someone just for pleasure, but at the same time he won't hesitate to use an innocent person as a guinea pig to advance his research. (This is all considering Prime Dottore, as we saw that each of his segments can have very different personalities)
@@aeso3555 Yes, it is definitely evil but for me it is not "Pure Evil" as there is nuance behind it Characters that are "Pure Evil" are those with extremely basic reasons or no reason at all for doing what they do with good examples being Scar, Jafar, Jack Horner, Voldermort, Palpatine, etc...
@@Truck-kun11 With Palpatine I would argue here. He wanted to turn republik into empire and by that gave stability and peace to every corner of galaxy, not selected few that was under republik cape. Does he ruled with iron fist and terror? He did. But for common folk mostly it was a dream scenario (excluding some extreme cases which were only few [don't know much outside movies, but as far I know it indeed was only few]). Imagine that your planet is controlled by rogues and scumbags and you literally are afraid to set your foot wrong, cause in other case you gonna end up as slave and republik have you deep in their ass. Empire provided protection which is mentioned in "Empire Strikes Back" and they offer employment and contracts directly with them that finally allowed engineers around galaxy to develop something new, cause as we know during republik times everything in terms of technology was in stagnation, cause Jedi wanted so. And everything that only for exterminating Jedi and loyalty for Emperor.
Scaramouche is literally a product of society. True he had the body of a small adult, but he was blank on the inside like a child. So society and the people he met made the ¨monster¨ we meet in the archon quest. That´s why I love his character so much
About Wanderer, wasn't there is a lore thing about him and Alhaitham going to arrest some people, and while he was the one beating the shit out of everyone Alhaitham was just...There waiting for him to finish ? No, but, I believe that Nahida is the best god for him, because both are quite similar yet opposite. And I like how even if he is still an asshole you can see he is trying to kinda redeem himself and help other (Like when he gave that bottle of water to Tighnari)
looll, you're right. I remember it was to track the son of the diadem's owner who want to sabotage the event and take the diadem so he can gain his father's wealth or something. I guess he's the type to not like negotiation and pick a "faster" route, yeah he is still very much a jerk and Alhaitham you're no different 🤣
@@Sarah-iq3sc living up to my pfp here, but if you listen to Alhaitham's voice lines he's actually just socially idiotic. He definitely doesn't try to be a jerk, he just comes across as one because he doesn't like being around people my nerd glasses are now off so you can continue lol
I'll be honest with you. At this point in the story, I am 100% sure Childe would have saved Liyue himself if people or Zhongli hadn't. There is just 0 chance he wouldn't, especially after that quest with Knave + the dude likes to challenge difficult opponents. The only question would be, how long it would take him to do so since he couldn't really use foul legacy after he fought Traveler. Altho, again after Fontaine quests, I am sure the dude would just power up and not care lol. Therefor, I will put him on a higher scale for "not evil", we also don't really know what Tsaritsa is after or if she is actually evil, since so far every archon praised how good and warm hearted she was before Khaenri'ah war, but did not comment anything about now, just that she changed... Which doesn't necessarily means "evil". And Childe only agrees with Tsaritsa and no one else from HB (until he actually talks with Knave lol). As far as we know, all the orders might be coming from Jester~ For Scara, I think it's safe to put 2 time lines for him specifically, while yes the erased memory is his atonement of some sort it also represents rebirth for him or new beginning~ Therefor, Scara should be placed at the same spot as Signora (where he is originally placed on ur chart) and new Scara (however u named him) probably above Childe when it comes to "evil" and "not evil" ~ Knave is also not really evil or actually have any choice in the matter when it comes to joining FH, at least thats how I understood. She had to take her "mother" place after she killed her, if she didn't join she would have been killed and the kids from orphanage would most likely be kill or taken by Dottore as experiments, and after reading dialogue she had with Childe it's safe to assume she joined because of the kids. The kids also needed to be trained in order to survive as fatui or again, they would be killed or sent to Dottore. So, her grooming them is basically grooming them for their own survival. For Dottore, I also don't think he would be a playable character. He is just too morally wrong for me to see Hoyo making him one of the playable characters. That said, I did watched a video where someone said that it would be possible if we were to play one of his clones that is actually good, I can 100% see that being the case. Otherwise, nope. I also strongly believe that Jester is using Tsaritsa. He would be the main villain in Snezhnaya and he will be very morally right but at the same time very morally wrong. 100% will have to do with what happened in Khaenri'ah and will be some sort of plot for revenge. I am very much so excited to see other FH, especially Columbina and Capitano (also finally get the full Childe story, it's been years now and all they been doing is fueling my curiosity towards him. What makes him so special? Is he actually a real MC of Genshin? Have we been all fooled this entire time thinking it was the traveler? I actually wouldn't be surprised) 😂
18:57 Yeah, like he respected Niwa, until some random guy lied to him and he immediately believed it. So we just have to wait until Dottore comes back, lies about Nahida to him again in some disguise and he will be a full villain again.
Yeah, I really anticipating when they will reveal Childe's curse by the foul. Bennet is also the same, having a bad luck while Childe is always in the middle of Chaos with his demon in mind.
We actually know quite a bit about Dottore from the flashbacks in Scara's story and the notes in Sumeru He was ostracized and called a monster by everyone so he became a monster, doing his best to abandon his humanity, In essence the opposite of Wanderer's journey
@@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюдаhe didn't delete his "evil" counterparts, he deleted ALL other copies. And what makes you think the the original dottore is a "good" guy? He's pure evil lmao.
@@Blueberry173. why would he even delete his copies? Hoyo's gonna redeem him, they already did. He says that he hates his younger version of himself, but why? Because they're chaotic evil, but now he's GoOd lmao. There hasn't been a single non playable character with playable model yet and they're gona redeem this mf 100%
@@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда lmfaoooo do you even read the story properly? Go and watch the scene with nahida, he doesnt delete his "evil" counterparts he deletes all of them, that was the deal he had with nahida. And no, the original dottore is evil too, he is literally the mastermind over turning scaramouche like how he is, causing the tatarasuna tragedy and even almost everything that happened in sumeru, he was working with the grand sage. I am not saying that they "WON'T" redeem them but they haven't done it yet, the original dottore has done a lot of bad shit and has been a mastermind in all of it. Also, signora had a proper model, but she isn't playable, so it's wrong to say he will be playable just because he had a proper model. He is a very important villain in the story and the problem is that the only way to redeem a person like him is to completely bullshit on the story, he doesnt deserve it. Scaramouche was redeemed because he wasn't the mastermind who pulled the strings, but was a manipulated weapon. Dottore is literally in control with almost everything evil the fatui do lmao. It makes no sense to redeem him.
@@Blueberry173. proper model doesn't mean playable. He has fat default tall male model's cheeks. I know he's evil and all, i've read manhua, but they really did redeem him (partly). I'm kind of tired of writing in americano, so ответь мне на вопрос: зачем он удалил свои копии? Почему разработчики сделали так, что он ненавидит свои "молодые" и более "злые" свои копии?
My main problem with Scaramouche is the caviat that, because Irmunsul, the world forgets him. Any potential for character interaction is just gone (like how he meets Mona again in the 2024 summer event, but naturally they play it like nothing happened), and it feels like, just like the horrible actions Raiden did, his evildoing is just brushed over because he's so dreamy and handsome!! It feels like all that buildup they had for his character just goes to waste because, in a literal sense, nobody knows or cares about it now, and because of Scaramouche's personality, he doesn't care that the world has forgotten him either. And if you think about it, he kills himself twice when he gets his memories back since he just goes back to being the mean version of himself, just with no motive to do evil now. They literally just had to reset him in the story, and it makes his prior involvement feel like a complete waste because it doesnt matter. Also Arlecchino's whole thing of "I don't ACTUALLY kill kids, I just gaslight them into thinking I'm going to kill them! (unless you count a memory wipe as a metaphorical death)" I get that she has her reasons for grooming child soldiers, and that's its to meet her own ends, but it still feels like they have to handwave some things so that she has "good" in her rather than being completely evil or morally gray. It feels more like Lyney chooses to stay with an abuser after seeing what he does at the end of her quest and how even the young kids were turning on each other and growing bloodthirsty. I do like that they are morally gray, just wished they commit to it more rather than having to force in a plot point or two in order to say "theyre good people actually"
The fun thing but at times problem with genshin is that 99% of its lore is implied or shut behind 500 hour world quest that goes on forever and by the end you just want it to end. Not all the Harbingers and other characters development is plainly visible or even confirmed, even with how deep we are into the game there’s a very large amount of lore and story that is just walls on walls of text, random references here and there, or just random world quests that no one cares about. It must be so that people who want to just play it as a fighting game can while lore players can go diving for the lore like a mystery or puzzle game which is nice at times but sometimes it can take away or make developments seem like they come out of nowhere.
How evil Arlecchino's current actions depends on how you view Teyvat. Is there place for orphans. We know some of them are in max security prison just because. Arlecchino was raised to believe survival of the fittest mentality, so in her mind rising children with skills less than savory in our world might be only way for them to survive in Teyvat. I think Arlecchino has best intentions for people of House in a world that doesn't have ways to protect people less fortunate than others. Arlecchino's motivation might just be to keep people of the house alive, if so she would be morally good character in Teyvat. If she had other motivations for the house she would be evil.
Dude, she trains child soldiers, and we have confirmation that they DIE, like fucking die from missions. She also accepts psychopaths, like Foltz (may he burn in hell). This is like saying a pedophile is good in a world with no orphanages because he is the only one giving orphans a home, with the caveat that he uses them to sell "stuff" to other pedos in his pedo organization. The fact they are kept alive is a bare minimum, and shouldnt influence at all the fact that the children are still exploited by the character in question. Now imagine how much worse is Arlecchino that she trains them for mission where they 1) DIE in, 2) most likely have to kill innocents in cuz i doubt the fatui conviniently only make her target evil people, 3) She abuses them psychologically, to the point they fear death with her, and even if the death part is fake they still get their memory whipped, which is essencially death of character. People just bend over backwards for Arleccino because she is "cool character mommy" that sometimes helps out, but 100% does so with ulterior motives. And the writters know this, which is why they have to bend over backwards to justify her being more "sanitized" than Dottore, which is a very very low bar to clear. For example the flooding in Poisson, i call bullshit on Arlecchino just happening to be investigating a ruin near it with just the right amount of fatui and supplies to help the town, because they had to make her and the other fatui scum "heroes" in fontaine. I
Something I would always like about Childe is how....Despite everything, he is still a kid at heart, heck, the game even said so ("Childlike exterior", "pretty boy"), and even is the youngest of the Harbinger, although, this childish side is kinda...Corrupted, in a way. There was this long analysis by someone who is VERY good at analysis, but sadly don't post anymore, about him. And they talked about it Basically. His Foul Legacy in the Golden House can be interpreted almost as a temper tantrum, and he needed to think a bit before realising that the Traveler had no chance (Btw, some translation of the game implies that the Foul Legacy prevent him from thinking coherently, which may add to this) He also has yet to fully mature, because at the end, he doesn't want to share his boat with Signora. And that his battle thirsting is like a child craving for something Heck, it even stand today, because in the Archon Quest, despite him pretty much about to loose counsciouness, instead of like, going to the side to rest, he is being very petty and give that thumb down to Neuvillette (which is confirmed to be him being petty, look at the stickers) And in Arlecchino story quest, not only he just, run away, instead of resting, but he immediatly want to spar. Also, Arlecchino voiceline about him tell a lot too
I might be overcooking but get this: Dottore might be the least evil harbinger. Because let me preface this with some opinions and speculations of mine. (delulu moment) Murder is evil, and Dottore has committed a lot of murders. He has also done a lot of illegal experimentations, and a lot of them were fatal. So, in the view of Teyvat, he is evil, true. Teyvat it speculated to be a world that's in a Samsara, a.k.a. it's been on a cycle, and we also know that fates are already written in the stars, as if your entire life is predestined. It is also speculated to be its 7th cycle, because all characters from Teyvat have 6 constellations, and you need the character itself too, making it 7 copies, and in one of the loading screen tips, it says that "Wherever you go in Teyvat, the stars will always have a place for you." In that case, I'd like to speculate that the "Truth of This World" is that Teyvat is a simulation, a program of sorts being run by Celestia. (not really a program but yk what i mean. for example, something like ark survival evolved, kinda...) Dottore knows the "Truth of This World", therefore, I'd like to say that in Dottore's mind, he is not killing anyone, he is not harming anyone, this is all just a simulation, this is all fake. Death means nothing if you are going to be reborn in the next Samsara. One would not call a programmer deleting lines of code from a program _evil._ Yeah, I'm delusional, I should seek help... huh...? p.s. my english not good, pls no bully me
I believe that Arlecchino is a case of "hoyo wanted to sell a character". She contradicts earlier lore about her to be nicer in eyes of players, all horrible stuff they can put off they put off to Crucabena. Essentially, she doesn't feel like a character to me, but a marketing ploy. "Oh, she's the one players liked most in Lazzo, we can decide what we can do in Fontaine, yay!"
Thank you, you put everything I think about her into words. I never really connected with her because I just kept seeing a „marketable cool and over powerful mommy“ instead of an actual character
Yeah I fricking agree, but unfortunately this is a Chinese GACHA game so her badness HAD to be nerfed. I'm more interested in Crucabena now, but I know she will probably never be mentioned again (another character with missed potential, thanks Hoyo!)
@IMtiredal but we also saw other Fatui from the House before 4.0, who referred to current Arlecchino as someone to be feared of even for the inside circle. Aranyaka Fatui npc, and Tanit quest Fatui npc are scared of being part if the house, and I believe Crucabena is too dead by this time to be responsible.
@@Vickyef619 That has never changed she is still quite frequently described as being a feared by all the kids in the house. However if you do go back to those previous quests you'll find someone who states themselves that they don't actually have a problem with the house. This is one of the biggest pieces of misinformation about it they don't want their younger sister to go there because they're younger sister wants to follow a very specific career path the house is not the best place for that. ( you don't send someone who you know wants to be a dancer to military school regardless of whether you are ok with the military school you send them to a dance school) Honestly this bugs the hell out of me because people need to realise that the characterization of her was not just changed the characterization we got about her back then is very similar the only exception is with the voice Lines. The problem with these voice lines is that everybody jumped on them and let their head cannon run wild, completely forgetting the fact that the two people who gave the voice lines aren't the best narrators. Childe is very much not the best judge of character and has been shown to be easily manipulated and Wanderer has a pessimistic 98% of the people he meets. What people mean when they say that they change her character to make it more marketable whether you like to admit it or not what it actually comes down to is my head canon didn't align with what the actual thing was so clearly they changed it.
@volfawott7417 Alright try to make sense of her character then. What is her motivation? Help the kids? She was at least capable of killing them off. Help Fontaine? No, she states that it was abt the kids, but we see how she cares abt them. Her own goals? Good, what are those??? She's not a fleshed out character, she has some traits like "ruthless" or "demanding", but what drives her, what is she about? You cannot even make a guess, bc her lore was written in two states: "pre-Lazzo", "post-Lazzo". Pre-Lazzo Arlecchino was about running a horrifying spy-like organization, post-Lazzo Arlecchino is about "Traveler has to tolerate her at least somewhat". Unreliable narrator is a trope of when we're fed misinformation, yet combined it gives a grain of truth. It's not an easy way of retconing a character. I'm convinced, hoyo just saw how popular she got and made her a Fontaine Harbinger. Unfortunately, it led to some story mess that she is now
I really don't think that signora needed backstory or screen time. She did her job in procuring multiple of the gnosis and got what was coming to her at the hands of electro archon. No matter how stong you are or devoted to something you are, you will always face obstacles and the raiden shogun was the one she couldn't overcome
15:26 I knew that the balladeer would be incredibly abusive and rude to his subordinates, but he would HIT them? I shoudlve expected that but i didn't know. Where did you find that out?
Hmm, let's see: - Charmed a classmate and strangled her to death, then lured tigers to mutilate her body to cover up his crimes. - Set loose a ruin grader to kill off the rest of his classmates to eliminate any weaknesses. - Conducted experiments on Eliezar patients using DISMEMBERED body parts. - Kidnapped children from all over Teyvat to conduct more experiments. One of the victims being Collei. - Sabotaged the Mikage furnace inTatarasuna, killed Niwa, manipulated Kabukimnon and corrupted him into becoming a cynical, nation destroying monster. Oh yeah, and Tatarasuna is still devastated to this day. - Implied to have been the one responsible for luring Ursa the Drake to attack Diluc's caravan, resulting in Crepus' death and sending Diluc down the path of leaving the KOF and becoming a brooding anti-hero. Also mocked and taunted Diluc during their encoutner. - Collaborated with the sages of the Akademiya to create an artificial god by putting the citizens of Sumeru inside a looping dream. - Worked with Crucabina, another equally morally bankrupt Harbinger. This man has traumatized and ruined the lives of at least three playable characters (Collei, Wanderer and possibly Diluc). At this point, there needs to be a therapy group for all of his victims. This man has the word EVIL plastered on his face and he'll wear it with pride.
@@aeso3555 "This man has the word EVIL plastered on his face and he'll wear it with pride.", more like, he wouldn't care about being called evil. It's just a word to him, nothing more, nothing less. He is just "happy"(insanely so) to be able to continue doing his sick experiments, without caring what anyone might think of him.
I'm somewhat annoyed by Arlecchino's moral ambiguity because it feels like, to me anyway, that it was only written in to give the writers a way to justify the popular theory that the Fatui "had good intentions all along", a potential twist that I absolutely hate. The Fatui have done so much illegal and violent shit that it's basically impossible for me to see them as "good guys", but just as I'm thinking "I guess if there was a kind of rogue faction with the Fatui that could potentially explain it away, but there's been no indication that has been the case." And then by the end of Arlecchino's introduction the House of the Hearth was pretty much established to be that rogue faction, and I was just so overcome with a sense of "Well, better late than never! I GUESS!!!" Her voice lines even have her basically saying "I may be loyal to the Tsarista, bUuUuUuUuT if she does something I don't agree with I would fight against her. Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge- **turns on megaphone and places it next to your ear** GET IT?! I'M FORSHADOWING!!!"
It’s like the parody of “The Shawshank Redemption” where Peter very slowly turns and looks at the audience when he comments on the fact that Andy and Red being friends - as Red is black - would make it more special for the audience.
I don't know about the other harbingers, but Dottore's goal has always been good, for humans to defeat teyvat's law is a good goal, but the methods are evil but also realistic i guess
8:25 La signora is actualy kinder than we can see on game, it's said that she loved visiting the house of the heart snd bring childrens gift because she felt loved or something, i think that overall she wanted to kill the world bc "the world killed her love" (idk just my speculation) 23:41 there's a theory saying that he could have been with Lisa at the Academia, (as most of us know she will soon die) that he fell in love with her and all those experiments are to find a way to make her live longer. that could make him like -1% less evil lmao 28:11 acctualy we know, Arlechinno is a decendent of the red moon dinasty (full or red moon i dont remember the name) she is from kenrhia acctualy anyway sorry if it's not too accurate, this video was fire
In my opinion, I’m pretty annoyed and not fond of Arlecchino’s character. There’s so much text and lines about her being crazy and how terrible the House is but when she finally had a role to play they introduced her caring for kids and a previous harbinger being worse. They also don’t bring up that she’s still very much bringing children into a war and if they want out they have to fight for it; as if they actually chose to be apart of Fatui scheming. I think she would’ve been more interesting if they just actually made her act terribly and loyal to the cause.
Calm down, her character arc wasnt even begin😂, Fontaine is just prologue to her character, considering she is related to Khaenriah Dynasty i dont have a doubt her character will get alot attention in the main story later
@@daffafatih8669 that doesn’t negate the fact she was first debuted right before Sumeru, was given multiple quests lines for lore, and marketed in a way that made it seem she’d be heavily involved in Fontaine but was barely on screen during the Archon Quests. In terms of how the other harbingers have been introduced and spoken of before getting active, Arlecchino is just very unimpressive and boring to me. I’d think differently if her own quest and had a few other tidbits had leaned into her ancient lore instead of trying to go against the image of her being crazy and unfeeling that the game itself presented for more than a year.
@@jonathanrobinson198 I think it's just a matter of taste, maybe you like the harbringer who is aggressive and dominant in his debut and role in the region. Regarding the issue of whether she plays a big role or not, I think that Arlecchino actually plays a very big role in Fontaine, it's just that she plays more on the political side than other harbringers who have to step in and work hard to get gnosis, she is very diplomatic, in fact I think she is the only harbringer who deserves to be called a real diplomat, and plus she was the first person to realize that Furina was not a hydro archon, who then gave instructions to HotH to save the drowning citizens of Fontaine. I think she is someone who is more concerned with sitting and drinking tea while negotiating and talking like a diplomat, compared to other harbringers who take very arrogant and confrontational steps like signora, tartaglia, and scaramouche. the three of them weren't like diplomats at all. Regarding how many characters or NPCs talk about various perceptions about her, from a wolf in sheep clothing to a selfish person, these are just various misconceptions from other people that Arlecchino wants. Her character theme is closely related to the theater theme, even in Fontaine's overture trailer she is on stage talking about perceptions and deceptive personas surrounded by many shadows of harbringers, as if she is exuding a false persona in front of the harbringers who are her audience Regarding why her ancient lore hasn't been discussed in the game, it's probably because it's not the time yet. She is closely related to Khaenriah as a descendant of the ruler of a dynasty that has a hereditary curse, of course this contains a lot of lore that Genshin players should not accept at this time and will probably be discussed further ahead of the Khaenriah chapter. Moreover, there is a possibility that the Genshin anime will discuss her dynasty and ancient power, considering that the Genshin anime will be used as a lore summary which will take place during the archon war era, where the dynasty led by the ancestor Arlecchino was already established in this era. For me, Arlecchino is the most enjoyable harbringer so far, its fresh to see a real diplomat comes to action
@@daffafatih8669 I think youre missing my point. I don’t need a Harbinger to be aggressive out of the box. I think Dottore is amazing and he schemes in the background. My two main issues stem from Hoyo giving players information to create a misconception of a character for multiple years. It means anyone who was actually interested in that kind of narrative or character has waited for nothing because the points of interest aren’t real or heavily misconstrued. It’s one thing to do that for a patch or two, but another if the drip feeding of info from the beginning isn’t correct at all. Second, Arlecchino talks a lot about people needing to take matters into their own hands, and defying fate where I god could not; then isn’t even in the room to learn the truth behind everything and ultimately didn’t achieve what she thought she could. Everything went as Focalor wanted. Nothing was stopped with her efforts aside from offering the idea of a curse at work and saving half a town. Skirk told Neuvillette to get rid of the Gnosis so he had no issue giving it to her when asked in the first place. Then leaves. She’s not even from Fontaine and made her show up just to push the appeal of her caring about the kids. They even gave her a voice line saying she’d betray the Tsaritsa if it came down to it, so from every angle of a harbinger doing their job to her actual contributions so far in the story, she’s by far the least impressive and interesting to me. Dottore at the very least orchestrated openings and applied pressure to get gnosis and the years of lore Hoyo gave Scara to stir interest for people, didn’t turn out to be inaccurate the moment he’s advertising for being involved in an Archon Quest. I’d like Arlecchino a lot more if they talked about her fondness for the orphans from the start and not two years later.
It’s honestly sad that signora’s entire backstory is hidden behind artifact descriptions or domains, therefore being unknown to Aether or Lumine. It’s a good story, but not known or fleshed out. Because if you know the lore… it makes that venti kick seem a whole lot more justified……
Honestly, this is so random, but I’d love to see you do an analysis video of arlecchino specifically. I’d just love to see what you view her as in general from a writing standpoint. Imo, she was used really well in the AQ.
Speaking of Childe I seen a theory that he is the vessel for the third descender, which is the reason why Natlan has the “ode of resurrection”. Last gnosis… most likely will be seeing Mr world wide. I like it but we’ll see!
With Arlecchino and how they basically made the years worth of lore about her irrelevant and even gave her that ass pull at the end of her quest where she could conveniently wipe the children’s memories instead of having to kill them, it all reminds me of how Lestat from Ann Rice’s vampire books was retconned to have only feed on people who were immoral bastards in some fashion, in “Queen of The Damned”, at least if I’m remembering right.
Very Loud and Wrong lmao😂😂😂 Fire in Genshin is always closely related to the concept of "reborn" remember, so her fire can "reborn-ed" HOTH children are not an asspull.
@@daffafatih8669 it was an ass pull, it was for the sake of making her playable, murdering children simply because they want to leave the assassin/spy ring you run isn’t something you can have and still have them be likable, not believably anyway but there are people who sympathize with utterly delusional maniacs, that’s why you have people claiming MCU Thanos was “right” or people unironically quoting the Joker. They hand waved it by having her claim that Childe was simply being misled and she not only doesn’t mind the rumors spreading around her, she actively encourages them as it helps hide her true intentions.
@@thomasraines1396 first off, i don't sympathize with her and whatever she does in SQ, its just Hoyo "tone down" her evilness in her SQ, and I don't have a problem with that. and she actually doesn't need the "aspull" power to be playable, its not like Hoyo planned her character to be dead in the future and Hoyo saw how ppl SIMP for her and they decided to pull an aspull for her lmao. because her character file is alr existed far back then, and in her file name, it says "playable" not like Signora who was labeled "monster" in her file. Genshin is already being planned far back then, in terms of lore, playablity, etc. I've seen you in many comments, judging many characters without in-depth analysis, thats very annoying bro to be honest
@@daffafatih8669 I never said you you specifically sympathized with her, I’m just saying I’ve seen characters who are way worse than her be sympathized with. Yes they did tone her down, that’s what I’m saying. Her being playable had to have some major twist, because pure evil characters aren’t allowed to be played in Chinese games from how I understand it, they always have to have something redeemable about them, which makes me wonder how The Doctor is going to be playable as he - as of now - is one of the more outwardly evil characters. Genshin handles its writing months in advance, so it was just a matter of time until they did something to make Arlecchino seem more likable and they had that be that she’s not actually murdering children and is actively working against the terrorist organization she is apart of. I honestly find her more appealing then Childe or Scaramouche because they write her knowing that she and Aether/Lumine will more then likely have to come to blows one day.
Everything seems on point the only thing that bothers me is that some people were saying that Arlecchino is too strong for the traveler and it seems people forgotten that the archon or other strong characters helped us defeat certain harbingers, to me Arlecchino level of strength is that of childe but more tricky and stronger because of her cold nature, the only harbinger that catches my eye is Colombina
Arlecchino is one of my favourite characters among both Genshin AND Star Rail. Her morally grayness is so interesting, she lies to get what she want, but she doesn’t kill people without a reason. She terrorizes Furina but it comes from a place of concern over the children’s safety. She objects to the abuse of the house yet enforces it in some ways. She’s loyal but would fight the Tsaritsa and Harbingers with hesitation. ITS SO COOL! She’s also just *aesthetically* one of the best characters, the simple black/white/red colour scheme, the unique hands, the wing, the EYES, the DOUBLE SCYTHE!??? THE SUIT?!??? It’s just amazing 10/10
There is nothing morally grey about her, she trains child soldiers, which die in the missions they are sent into. She abuses them and causes them psychological and behavioral damage, turning them into sociopath due to the necesity of that to survive in the HOTH. She has no regard for their wellbeing beyond a very robotical "they are alive, thats the bar i set". This woman also operates an espionage ring for a terrorist organization, assassinates targets or send the kids to do so, which most likely arent all "child abusers" because is the fatui who give her the orders. You couldnt have possibly chosen a less morally grey character. By that metric Hitler was a also a morally grey person because he instituted animal right reforms during his period in control of Nazi Germany. There are characters in genshin who have been killed (reasonably so) and framed as their death being justified and a-ok by the narrative for way less than what Arlecchino ALONE is responsible for.
i think childe feels trapped, he has to do even the more extreme/evil orders in the end bc he knows he can't protect his family from the fatui, i think he is more then willing to fight but he also know he does not have a chance so he has just to obey, even orders he does not like.
4:13 She didn't accept, she HAD to fight. Raiden wouldn't have said "Proceed." If otherwise. That's why she says, "You've learned the ways of the land to your advantage" (despite Traveler never canonically learning this but wtv"
My little theory is that is Dottore would be playable we could play one of his segments gone rogue and opposing his creator, but I am not sure anymore if that is possible since the deal with Nahida. But who knows maybe he did not keep his end of the deal and has one segment hidden away just in case.
Arlecchino's exact motivating ideal is something we don't know yet, which is very exciting! Yet, there are a few things we can figure about her that might give us a hint. The most important thing to understand is that the "self" Arlecchino displays is not a manufactured "false self". We see her as a child precisely as reserved as she is grown-up, and in moments of heightened emotional turmoil, the "mask" over her emotions can be seen to slip, revealing a "true self" that is not much different from how she acts normally. We can understand this as a response to the trauma of her upbringing. Arlecchino is emotionally reserved to a fault. Though she herself claims to put on a front as an "emotionless father", this "mask" is in fact the most honest version of herself that she is capable of being. So, what does Arlecchino want? To approach this question, one must understand that Arlecchino's words and expressions will never properly encapsulate her true feelings about something. To know what Arlecchino feels, you have to look at her actions. That is, in fact, one of Arlecchino's defining character traits; Arlecchino believes that words do not do justice to one's feelings and desires. Given her actions, then, *very* broadly speaking, it seems apparent to me that whatever motivates Arlecchino, outside of her family, it must be something that she believes in with her entire being, and that goes beyond her obligations with the Fatui. In fact, it is entirely possible that her primary motivation is to cut ties with the Fatui at some point, and establish the house of the hearth as an independent entity- we frankly cannot know, because Arlecchino doesn't tend to weight her personal opinion of individuals against the positive results of her actions. Any respect she has for her allies will not be considered. And this is important. Because it means that whatever Arlecchino chooses to do, she will do it believing that it is "right". Based on vibes alone, I predict that her choice will be a good one. I believe that Arlecchino's story is inexorably tied to the concept of "fate", and that she will be forced to reckon with her cursed existence that both defies and is doomed by that concept. The lyrics of Emberfire, I think, already give away the conclusion to this conflict. There is no world in which Arlecchino gives in.
I definitely feel like we are at a point with Dottore where he's been called bad for so long and in so many ways that even though he has fans, I think there would be more outrage at his playability. Especially considering he may have always been bad, if the speculations of him being Zandik are true. You could make a case that he might be trying to help people and that's why he's always trying to cure or improve things but being considered worse off than death in 99% of the cases with him probably doesn't show that it's for a good reason or whatever. Like fine he doesn't have to be morally good but he's not really the popular type of bad for the protagonist's side at least. It's heavily theorized and implied that the Tsaritsa isn't really a bad person and is doing whatever it is she's doing to free Teyvat from Celestia but... Dainsleif also says she has lost the love for her people, so does she really even care enough for us to accept it if their side is later revealed to be "good"? I am not really a Scara fan even now but honestly he doesn't seem or feel as bad as he was placed. He isn't the same person anymore as he was, and only has the memories of that version of himself. There's also still some discrepancy about what Irminsul really *does* (some believe he still did all those acts but that Irminsul just rewrote the history of how they were done, others believe that he really was able to undo it but that those same bad things still happened due to other reasons, as if by an inescapable fate). I lowkey preferred the mellow blank slate version he was before his quest... again, I'm not a simp so I'm sure his diehard fans would have hated that lol, but if nothing bad ever happened, that is the version of him we would have eventually come to know. His current self may be grumpy, but he's never shown to be antagonistic anymore? He's actually shown to be way kind now lol, just sounds like he hates doing it. If anything it might just be because he's embarrassed due to trying to grow from his past? idk how to phrase it For Signora, I'm pretty sure Venti knew who she was. I can't recall where but I'm fairly certain it's said he knows all of the children of Mondstadt or something to that effect. I know bringing her back would cheapen her death, but tbh that whole era of Inazuma felt so poorly executed that the death only felt like shock value. Arlecchino feels fine to me as she is. All of the lead up to her fits with her imposing character and the fact that people didn't truly understand her. Childe and Scara are *supposed* to be "unreliable narrators" because all of the character voice lines about each other are from that character's perspective. (Like Tighnari's line about Layla literally has him scoffing at some of her sleepwalking antics because he thinks they are fake, but we know they are actually true.) And the Fatui we meet that talk about how terrible things are in the HoH also seem like the type she would have freed from their world using the special fire (which seems new considering it happened after Fontaine did). It's pretty clear that she's wanting to be some vague level of "normal" but because she didn't get that, she doesn't know how to give that. She wants Lyney to become her successor and yet it's more or less clear Lyney would never go to some of the lengths she seems willing to go to, or at least in the ways she is willing to do things. She seems like she wants them to literally change things. Also we do know about her powers and more of her backstory... hyv released info on it a few days after her release. I won't say it in case people don't want to be spoiled. I certainly don't think every "villain" needs to be redeemed but some of the characters we haven't really established as villains yet. Arlecchino for example has killed at least one / two for revenge (implied from both of her trailers). But Clorinde has also killed due to her job, and we don't have a morality conversation about it. It's implied Sandrone killed someone/cut out their tongue but he wasn't a good guy so is she a villain? Really the only person we've seen as 100% villain is Dottore, as everyone else in some way shape or form has been given a sympathetic background to explain away their actions or at least make them more understandable, whether people find their morality good or bad. An interesting video to watch!
In regards to playable Harbingers, I actually think its better if certain Harbingers don't become playable. Namely, Dottore, Pierro, Pulcinella (Rooster) and Pantalone. Dottore is someone that I hope we get to fight, as he is probably *the* most evil person in Teyvat. I wouldn't count out Signora just yet though, I think theres a very real possibility of her having a sort of phoenix rebirth.
30:56 it was said she was made the new Knave because the tsarita acknowledged her power and arlecchino just went a long with it (I think, I’m just delulu at times)
Of course she had a choice. She wasn't wrong when she told the Traveler it was dumb for them to show up in Tenshukaku right in front of the Raiden Shogun considering they were a wanted a criminal. At that time, Signora had all the cards, it was only by losing the duel that she guaranteed she would lose her life. Up until accepting that duel she probably could have left with no issue. The Shogun didn't seem to give a crap about what Signora may or may not have done in Inazuma.
@@antihmota4625 You seem to think i desperately want her to return. That is not the case. I dont particularly like her. I feel sorry for her past and thunk ther themes are cool, but how it is right now, i wouldnt pull for her. I just think her comming back is logical given what we know and not bringing her back would be a huge missed opportunity from hoyos side.
the bloodstained knight theory makes me want capitano to be a two faced sociopath with overpowered charisma, that's why no one can say bad things about him or they simply don't know what he does in the shadows
people already mentioned Capitano, and I agree, I WANT to know about him. How he is noble and honest and honorable and reasonable while being No.1 of The evil organisation TM. And also he is the first of them, which means he has power to rival gods themselves BUT. Who I really want to learn about is Pantalone. He seems to be JUST a man with money, but soehow he is the 9th harbinger. They are given nubers based on their strenght, and... how this sly man is stronger than Childe? Like we litterally know nothing abt him besides that he is rich. What is his goals, what are his powers? Nothing. And that what make me want to know him. How this regular dude is higher than ultimate soldier? Oh, and also, I don't see people talking, how we still don't know who is 10th Harbinger. Like... we have no mention of them at all. We don't even have hints towards that 10th place is empty now. No. Just zero information
They are all evil and I just can't see past that. They can have reasons and personal unfair lives lacking justice but that is still sorta pointless because nothing excuse them for doing what they are doing in my eyes. My life is tough and unfair and yet I still don't submit myself to evil, immoral or injust things. I can't relate enough to villains is why I couldn't care less about how developed or gray/evil they are. Some are charming some are blunt, but effect on the world is same in the end. Killing innocents, destroying their lives whenever they are in the way of villain's goal. We need villains for story of course but making them likable to make them "more interesting"...is not my cup of tea.
Agreed a villain doesn’t need to be good, but rather have a actual reason for what they’re doing for instance, if they’re negative actions on the world are actually bringing about a positive light that they’re aware of but the harbinger are simply doing more than good
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS. Im tired of seeing everyone fellate this characters like they are the next Vegetta of redemption arcs, but they all just suck as people, like it would've worked if they were antagonistic but not crossing a line. This people instead dance over it like they wanna flex on them plebs. So far we have a murder hobo turned teachers pet (Scara), a fight slut sociopath who only sees people as weak and doesnt care about anyone but their own personal relatives (Tartaglia), an assassin and spy that makes child soldiers and abuses kids psychologically (Arlecchino), a psychopath obssessed with science (Dottore) and a lot of others who dont seem that good either on account that they work for a terrorist organization thats essencially Nazi Germany blended with the KGB and CCP.
Why would the Jester and Tsaritsa place all their trust in people who are so difficult to control? I think because that unpredictability makes them the people most likely to be able to thwart the machinations of fate (i e. The Heavenly Principles). In a world which enforces lives to play out in certain ways through the stars/ley line matrix, such people are likely necessary to overcome those mechanisms.
I really see Dottore as Rick Sanchez and i can sense i can understand him. If not just because the same colour hair, the same white robe and the same thing of having multiples and alternative versions of himself. Is just the essence, his spirit. I see him as a final boss being irredeemable.
I agree. Hopefully Wanderer will get some sort of contact with his mother Ei by the end of the story. Then Wanderer also needs to get a fight to the finish with El Docttore! (Colli should be included in revenge on El Docttore as well) just to finalize his arc. Maybe he will show up in Natlan.
I hope Signora gets revived and gets some more depth in-game. A good amount of fanart came from Arlecchino's voiceline about Signora being lonely and finding enjoyment with the children, things like that could be expounded upon. A lot of people don't like her though so it may not happen which is disappointing in my opinion.
this is actually the reason why I think she might return, arle voiceover towards her is kind off out of place like, you don't give a positive information about someone who's irrelevant and dead, I can see them redeeming her character later...
@@fromAshesReborn24 It definitely gives me a shred of hope, I also thought something similar when they had that flashback of her and Scara talking to each other in mean banter, I thought they were drawing comparisons between them on purpose. But if she doesn't get revived in Natlan I'm just going to assume they're done with her sadly. Fingers crossed though.
hi dottore did not do direct experimentation on collei!! its even included in colleis wiki!! dottore overlooked someone who was doing mass experimentation on collei! the person who experimented on her name is barnabas. this shit was even in the manga and I'm tired of ppl spreading misinformation.
But he still allowed it. It's like saying Hideki Tōjō wasn't guilty of his crimes because hey, it was other Japanese generals and scientists that participated in Unit 731!
Barnabas is his subordinate, like directly his assistant, he is the one that collects subjects for him. If you really think he didnt had a hand on Collei you must be coping or missing info cuz is clearly stated that he indeed treated her, the method he used was what left her with trauma, and even if he didnt participate directly all the way through he still put her in that situation, so for practical purposes is irrelevant. One way or another he is responsible, and he has had many other subjects so even if Collei, by some miracle wasnt his fault then the other hundreds of people and children he did experiment on would fill the role regardless. This is equivalent to arguing whether Vladimir Putin directly killed a specific individual or left his subordinates to do it for him.
Signora’s death might be connected to the Snezhnaya story later on and that’s only my personal opinion but maybe her death was a better choice in early stages to show cruelty of Tsaritsa’s plan. Even her own people will suffer and the care she gives is “oh too bad anyway let’s give 1 day break from work and then continue”
Dottore's motivation is purely his pursuit of knowledge. As someone from Sumeru, he believes that wisdom is the most important thing. But unlike those folks in Akademiya, he does not restrict himself from any unethical sciences. His ultimate reasoning for any atrocity would be "i wanted to see what happens". He is genuinely so blinded by his ideal, that the only thing he might see as evil, is doing something that doesn't bring any new discovery.
The Harbingers absolutely are complicated characters to be sure, you have some real villains like Arlechomo, who is a bloodthirsty murderer who justifies her own sociopathy by doing the cringe "right targets" nonsense, nevermind the fact she attacked an innocent person (Furina) based on rumours/falsehoods and to date has never apologised for this fact, displaying how prideful and incompetent she truly is. (So pathetic she didn't even play an important part in Fontaine's AQ, and instead was relegated to a forgettable slop story quest.) But I suppose that's what happens when you're used to bullying children and literally gaslighting them into joining your cult/discarding them like trash when they decide to leave. Disgusting, truly. Likewise, there are those who are simply too pathetic or too weak-minded to be worth anyone's notice, such as Scaramouche, the eternal victim, and Pantalone, a pathetic loser who instead of elevating himself and improving wants to drag everyone else down with him, basically a crab in a bucket. Truly detestable, one may add Pulcinella there as well, simply a social climber and manipulator. Not everyone can be beautiful, amazing, and a hero like Dottore, who is trying his hardest to save humanity, alongside the Tsaritsa, and who is beloved by cuties like Columbina. ❤ Childe is pretty based too, W Dottore, W Columbina, W Tsartisa, W Childe. Sandrone is cool too, everyone else is simply ok.
Idc how well written they are it will never make sense to me how they sided with the traveler after they massacred SEVERAL fatui soldiers and are actively the tsaritsa’s enemy😭
The only way I can imagine a positive interaction between the traveler and dottore is him giving the traveler a safe(ish) passage through the the cryo nation, with the promise that he can figure out how the traveler works, but that's definitely stretching it, I kinda hope that they don't pull a redemption ark, I feel that there's a lack of proper evil people in the game, don't get me wrong I like the morally grey thing but a real evil big bad is something I've missed from media
Well, what I am possibly thinking is if Doctorre will even get to be playable seeing in my POV of the only way it could happen. He could intentionally try making more of his segments or whatever you call them after Nahida made him destroy them all as I dont see any implications of Doctorre being unable to make more now. As maybe Doctorre will be in a rush to finish his segment as maybe the traveler and other goons gather up to bring him down causing the segment to have several issues and become a failed experiment much like Scara. And as of such an experiment, this different or new Doctorre will not be as pure evil as one may think of. However, this is all speculation and will probably never happen as I personally think Doctorre will be killed by Scara or be taken down in a different way. I doubt he will ever be a character but its just a "what if" type of thought.
I do have the feeling Signora or Rosalyne to be more specific, will be resurrected or reborn in some way. The story of Genshin has a lot of rebirth in it, like how Nahida is Rukka in the new samsara. But it might just be me getting my hopes up... Her character design and everything is too good to have died so suddenly.
Yeah I was also thinking about senora I always wondered why they made her accustomed weapon All of this fancy stuff if they're just going to kill her in the end just seems like a lot of work for nothing
I think arlecchino never rlly had a choice about joining the Fatui because she was from the house of the hearth and killed Krusebena who was in the fatui so she just joined after. Idk though
Signora just came off like a self centered jerk to me so I didn't care that they killed her off, didn't even know why she had fire powers they don't need to be fleshed out but a surface level monologue should be ending
I fully imagine that the Dottore we see will probably die, but we will get a playable version in a newly created clone that looks like him but doesn't have the evil history, as Hoyo's way of making every playable character redeemable.
we actually have dottore's backstory; he's from sumeru from years ago too. and god he has been disgusting and selfish since the start. you can go to "my name for now" he's made a video on the scattered lore of the doctor.
I love how childe went from almost drowning an entire nation to preventing a nation from drowning, talk about some character development 😂
@@wall6587 Childe Mains Unite
i mean, the thing is that he never did go through 'character development' to say, because he was always like that- i dont think his morals changed, it was just the different situations in which he took action in different ways. but true, the parallells are funny
like the prev reply, it was not a char dev. He was on a mission from tsarisa herself. And he would complete it whatever the consequences. All other times, he's just a chill dude wanting to fight powerful opponents.
guys I think commentor is joking
@@sehrish1837👆🏼
Dottore is the William Afton of genshin
At least there’s a reason as to why The Doctor can come back unlike Aftton.
@@thomasraines1396 Afton had sheer willpower and that's it lmao
@@catdownthestreet....so just bad writing. Yeah I think I had good reason as to why I jumped ship when I was around 14
@@PeruvianPotato the only reason why I'm still sticking around is because I like what Steel Wool is doing but otherwise I definitely would've done the same lol
@@PeruvianPotatohe keeps coming back because of the almighty dollar
Scaramouche didn't stop killing the bladesmiths because he was bored. He stopped killing when one of them turned out to be Niwa's descendant.
I'm not saying this makes him better (or worse), just pointing this out
Also, there's a quest in Fontaine called "Questioning Melusine and Answering Machine" (slight SPOILERS)
At the end of the quest, a person is left dead on the stage of the Opera House, his tongue torn out and a note left in his mouth. It was an apology letter written by a Harbinger interested in mechanisms, who's not Dottore (so, Sandrone mist likely). I'm very excited to know exactly why said Harbinger felt they needed to apologise to the Traveler
Husk of Opulent Dream states that he grew bored. It’s possible that the text is just reflecting his own excuses/justifications but it’s nonetheless what the text itself says.
Not many people paying atention to the world quest which make me sad a bit. I hope during patch 4.8 Hoyo drop a teaser featuring Sandrone
SANDRONE MENTION? All in all though, her character intrigues me very much, I would love to go in depth and get to analyze her when she’s shown
@@1L1KEP0TAT0ES i think one of my personal favourite crack theories about Sandrone is that it's actually Alain Guillotin (the guy who created the Fontaine Research Institute and discovered Pneuma & Ousia)
Let me explain:
Firstly, the girl we see presented as Sandrone in the Teaser looks a lot like an adult version of Mary Ann Guillotin (Alain's sister) who died tragically in an explosion (the same one from which the Melusines were born).
Alain himself was heavily involved with the research of machinery, and was a kind of genius in the field. He's known for creating Seymour (the vaguely sentient robot-dog) and clockwork Meka in general. In fact, most of Fontaine's technological progress is his achievement.
His death, interestingly enough, is also not specified: he's known to have become a shut-in crazed with his research in his later years, and his final fate is unknown. (Sandrone is also a known shut-in btw).
And now Sandrone for some reason felt the need to apologize to the Traveler, whom they haven't met or seemingly interacted with before in any way?
The theory's explanation for this would be the Traveler's involvement in Narzissenkreuz Quest. The Traveler fixed Seymour, found and freed the remaining consciousness of Mary Ann Guillotin, and finished Alain's job by disposing of Narzissenkreuz.
Again, this is a crack theory mostly held together by vibes, so don't take it too seriously
@@_dragonflies_ THISSS I HAVE BEEN OBSESSED WITH THIS no way that look is a coincidence, although I haven’t though much about Alain, thank you for this info! I think I’ll go an readership it more now :D
If Scara doesn't get a single conversation with his mother I'm telling you I _will_ cry
wdym, he does talk to Nahida ;)
@@motemo8413 this person is talking about Raiden
@@Shadowz_417 i know lol
@@motemo8413 Good point :))
I NEED them to meet
Dottore is evil for sure but we still don't know enough about him and why he's so obsessed with human enhancements. Hoyo always cooks with mad scientist type of characters just look at Dr. MEI, Mobius, Vill V and Otto from Hi3rd.
I also wouldn't say Scara is on his redemption arc, redemption arc implies he wants to do heroic things but he says it himself he will never be one of the good guys. He sees human relationships transactional which I think is common among harbingers.
i disagree that scara isn't in his redemption arc. maybe it's not a typical redemption arc where he ends up being a good guy or a hero, but it's about him righting past wrongs and taking accountability for the terrible things he's done in the past. in one of his character voice lines (i dont remember which one), he mentions that he wants to find descendants of the raiden gokaden and tell them to truth about what actually happened and tell them that he's the one responsible, and if they want to kill him or hurt him, then so be it. maybe he's not exactly trying to redeem himself, but it seems like he doesn't want to run away from the problems he caused and wants to take accountability for them
@@Jambalambamuntil he atones for his sins, he shall remain on the shit list 😅
For the most part, I agree with where you placed most of the harbingers. I would just move Arle slightly upwards mainly because I don't think people realize how on the whole "grooming child soldiers" she's kinda trapped between a rock and a hard place. She kinda got lucky that the tsaritsa pardoned her for killing Crucabena because I doubt the fatui would let someone who killed a harbinger run around free doing whatever they please. Also, the HoTH is very useful to the Fatui, so its not like Arle can stop providing child soldiers and the rest of the harbingers will be okay with that.
Also in terms of her overall goals, I don't claim to know for sure because I have barely seen anyone mention this but I think at some point during her quest I think she mentioned how Clervie wished for the House of the Hearth to be a "real home" where no one died or was sacrificed. So I definitely she wants to separate the House of the Hearth from the Fatui at some point. And I think her "About Lyney" line affirms this. It also makes I think that Lyney will not succeed her as a harbinger but as the director of the House of the Hearth but I digress.
In my opinion, Arle has a similar morality to Childe. They are both characters whose family is their main motivation. In fact, their story quests have very loose parallels as they both try to protect/prepare family members for the cruelties the world has to offer. But I also understand why you placed her where you did.
I can concede that she may have been stuck before, but the fact she refuses to do anything _after_ the Fontaine Archon Quests is inexcusable. Considering Fontaine is no longer useful to them, and the fact that they only need one more Gnosis, the Fatui would deem it a waste of soldiers and resources to try and take back a single orphanage.
@@Jackson-ub1uv I am sorry I don't quite follow. The house of the hearth is not just one "single orphanage." It's the Fatui's entire espionage department. So losing that is a huge blow to the fatui. Also, the HotH does not solely operate in Fontaine, you operate all over Teyvat. Fontaine is just their main branch.
@@applesauce4666 If that's the case, then she could at least separate the orphanage from the Fatui and leave the pre-existing agents where they are.
@@Jackson-ub1uv My guy, The orphange is a branch of the fatui, not a separate entity it can't leave. Also the orphanage is financially dependant on the fatui. Do you think that Arle is pulling money out of thin air? No, the fatui financially supports the orphanage, but its very difficult to straight up leave the fatui .
@@applesauce4666 My guy, the end of Fontaine's Archon Quests leaves her on decent terms with the Spina di Rosula and Fontaine's government, so she has plenty of options.
Neuvillette would be the best option as he'd be able to offer all of the funding needed, and I think the most he'd ask for is to have active Fatui agents be put on trial. Such a deal is incredibly generous, and one that Arlecchino would _have_ to take if she wanted to do what's best for the children; the orphanage would get all of the support it needs, and any convicted agents will be cared for in the Fortress of Meropide.
My opinion -
Signora - Evil, Underdeveloped
Tartaglia - Middle of the graph, Skirk and the “Foul Legacy” part is still a mystery. We are familiar with the name “Foul and Surtalogi” but not its connection.
Balladeer - Somewhat evil, mostly developed, his revenge against Dottore still remains.
Dottore - Pure evil, underdeveloped
Arlecchino - Mostly developed, inbetween evil and good. Her dynasty’s origins and her real crazy self still remains though.
I agree more with the video’s placement of Childe. He’s certainly more developed than the middle of the x axis. We know most of his motives and still have room to create more stories. Though, he’s less developed than Wanderer because his arc is continuing (I’m not saying Wanderer’s arc is over, he has Abyss and maybe Irminsul, false sky connections too).
Childe’s one of the most intriguing characters in Genshin and’s I’m scared they will ruin him in the future tbh, he has so much potential. I hope they don’t sideline him.
@@PhuongNguyen-_-they’re not going to side line him, he’s to popular.
@@thomasraines1396 i really hope so
@@PhuongNguyen-_- look at how many times Itto has appeared recently, because he’s popular.
@@thomasraines1396 but he doesn’t involve in the plot. Itto is a comic relief, I don’t want that happen to Childe, at least, not when his arc is still going.
4:39 The BTW got me lol, like, they don't even bother telling us her name in the main storyline
For more context in Signora's last words in CH and JP, the implications of her last words in this languages are tied to the promise Pierro made to her, she was determined to get out of Tenshukaku because if she indeed died there she was going be assimilated by the leylines of the current world, She wasn't supposed to died there because that wasn't the happily ever after that was promised to her 😢
I think Arle herself said to the Traveler that she likes being misconceived. If I remember correctly, it's when she lets Traveler know that she knows Lyney is going behind her back. That or its when she gives Lyney another day. Traveler expresses surprise she would be lenient and not just kill him on sight, and that's when she says that.
In my opinion Genshin doesn't have "Villains" in the classic sense, just different people and groups with their own agendas doing what they consider right.
The Abyss Order, The Fatui and even Celestia are all groups that are introduced as just villains to be stopped but the line between who is right and wrong becomes increasingly blurred as we learn more and more in the story.
Even Dottore who is the closest we have to "pure evil" only does what he does in the name of science and human evolution and not because he just enjoys causing pain and i am curious so see the role he will have on the story
And wtf does that mean, in now way DOttore doing what he does in name of science redeem him. WTF is your statement. Is Ramsay Bolton also not classicaly villain, because he flayes people alive because he "thinks its the right thing to do???"
@@antihmota4625 When did I say that this redeems him?
I said that he is a character who does what he does for reasons that in his mind are worth it and not because he likes to cause pain.
He won't just kill someone on the street for no reason or torture someone just for pleasure, but at the same time he won't hesitate to use an innocent person as a guinea pig to advance his research. (This is all considering Prime Dottore, as we saw that each of his segments can have very different personalities)
Causing immense pain and death in the name of science is evil though.
@@aeso3555 Yes, it is definitely evil but for me it is not "Pure Evil" as there is nuance behind it
Characters that are "Pure Evil" are those with extremely basic reasons or no reason at all for doing what they do with good examples being Scar, Jafar, Jack Horner, Voldermort, Palpatine, etc...
@@Truck-kun11 With Palpatine I would argue here. He wanted to turn republik into empire and by that gave stability and peace to every corner of galaxy, not selected few that was under republik cape.
Does he ruled with iron fist and terror? He did.
But for common folk mostly it was a dream scenario (excluding some extreme cases which were only few [don't know much outside movies, but as far I know it indeed was only few]).
Imagine that your planet is controlled by rogues and scumbags and you literally are afraid to set your foot wrong, cause in other case you gonna end up as slave and republik have you deep in their ass.
Empire provided protection which is mentioned in "Empire Strikes Back" and they offer employment and contracts directly with them that finally allowed engineers around galaxy to develop something new, cause as we know during republik times everything in terms of technology was in stagnation, cause Jedi wanted so.
And everything that only for exterminating Jedi and loyalty for Emperor.
Scaramouche is literally a product of society. True he had the body of a small adult, but he was blank on the inside like a child. So society and the people he met made the ¨monster¨ we meet in the archon quest. That´s why I love his character so much
About Wanderer, wasn't there is a lore thing about him and Alhaitham going to arrest some people, and while he was the one beating the shit out of everyone Alhaitham was just...There waiting for him to finish ?
No, but, I believe that Nahida is the best god for him, because both are quite similar yet opposite. And I like how even if he is still an asshole you can see he is trying to kinda redeem himself and help other (Like when he gave that bottle of water to Tighnari)
looll, you're right. I remember it was to track the son of the diadem's owner who want to sabotage the event and take the diadem so he can gain his father's wealth or something. I guess he's the type to not like negotiation and pick a "faster" route, yeah he is still very much a jerk
and Alhaitham you're no different 🤣
...Yeah, that sounds about right; Wanderer doing his "negotiations" and Alhaitham just letting him cook.
@@Sarah-iq3sc Honestly, I can see him staying a jerk, but that still care for human life
@@ZE.brigitte loveable jerk 🥰
@@Sarah-iq3sc living up to my pfp here, but if you listen to Alhaitham's voice lines he's actually just socially idiotic. He definitely doesn't try to be a jerk, he just comes across as one because he doesn't like being around people
my nerd glasses are now off so you can continue lol
I'll be honest with you. At this point in the story, I am 100% sure Childe would have saved Liyue himself if people or Zhongli hadn't. There is just 0 chance he wouldn't, especially after that quest with Knave + the dude likes to challenge difficult opponents. The only question would be, how long it would take him to do so since he couldn't really use foul legacy after he fought Traveler. Altho, again after Fontaine quests, I am sure the dude would just power up and not care lol. Therefor, I will put him on a higher scale for "not evil", we also don't really know what Tsaritsa is after or if she is actually evil, since so far every archon praised how good and warm hearted she was before Khaenri'ah war, but did not comment anything about now, just that she changed... Which doesn't necessarily means "evil". And Childe only agrees with Tsaritsa and no one else from HB (until he actually talks with Knave lol). As far as we know, all the orders might be coming from Jester~
For Scara, I think it's safe to put 2 time lines for him specifically, while yes the erased memory is his atonement of some sort it also represents rebirth for him or new beginning~ Therefor, Scara should be placed at the same spot as Signora (where he is originally placed on ur chart) and new Scara (however u named him) probably above Childe when it comes to "evil" and "not evil" ~
Knave is also not really evil or actually have any choice in the matter when it comes to joining FH, at least thats how I understood. She had to take her "mother" place after she killed her, if she didn't join she would have been killed and the kids from orphanage would most likely be kill or taken by Dottore as experiments, and after reading dialogue she had with Childe it's safe to assume she joined because of the kids. The kids also needed to be trained in order to survive as fatui or again, they would be killed or sent to Dottore. So, her grooming them is basically grooming them for their own survival.
For Dottore, I also don't think he would be a playable character. He is just too morally wrong for me to see Hoyo making him one of the playable characters. That said, I did watched a video where someone said that it would be possible if we were to play one of his clones that is actually good, I can 100% see that being the case. Otherwise, nope.
I also strongly believe that Jester is using Tsaritsa. He would be the main villain in Snezhnaya and he will be very morally right but at the same time very morally wrong. 100% will have to do with what happened in Khaenri'ah and will be some sort of plot for revenge.
I am very much so excited to see other FH, especially Columbina and Capitano (also finally get the full Childe story, it's been years now and all they been doing is fueling my curiosity towards him. What makes him so special? Is he actually a real MC of Genshin? Have we been all fooled this entire time thinking it was the traveler? I actually wouldn't be surprised) 😂
18:57 Yeah, like he respected Niwa, until some random guy lied to him and he immediately believed it.
So we just have to wait until Dottore comes back, lies about Nahida to him again in some disguise and he will be a full villain again.
Yeah, I really anticipating when they will reveal Childe's curse by the foul. Bennet is also the same, having a bad luck while Childe is always in the middle of Chaos with his demon in mind.
We actually know quite a bit about Dottore from the flashbacks in Scara's story and the notes in Sumeru
He was ostracized and called a monster by everyone so he became a monster, doing his best to abandon his humanity, In essence the opposite of Wanderer's journey
If they redeem Dottore I’m punching a wall as dottore’s n.1 enthusiast
they kinda already did, didn't they? i mean that moment in the AQ when he deleted his "evil" segments
@@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюдаhe didn't delete his "evil" counterparts, he deleted ALL other copies. And what makes you think the the original dottore is a "good" guy? He's pure evil lmao.
@@Blueberry173. why would he even delete his copies? Hoyo's gonna redeem him, they already did. He says that he hates his younger version of himself, but why? Because they're chaotic evil, but now he's GoOd lmao. There hasn't been a single non playable character with playable model yet and they're gona redeem this mf 100%
@@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда lmfaoooo do you even read the story properly? Go and watch the scene with nahida, he doesnt delete his "evil" counterparts he deletes all of them, that was the deal he had with nahida.
And no, the original dottore is evil too, he is literally the mastermind over turning scaramouche like how he is, causing the tatarasuna tragedy and even almost everything that happened in sumeru, he was working with the grand sage.
I am not saying that they "WON'T" redeem them but they haven't done it yet, the original dottore has done a lot of bad shit and has been a mastermind in all of it.
Also, signora had a proper model, but she isn't playable, so it's wrong to say he will be playable just because he had a proper model. He is a very important villain in the story and the problem is that the only way to redeem a person like him is to completely bullshit on the story, he doesnt deserve it.
Scaramouche was redeemed because he wasn't the mastermind who pulled the strings, but was a manipulated weapon. Dottore is literally in control with almost everything evil the fatui do lmao. It makes no sense to redeem him.
@@Blueberry173. proper model doesn't mean playable. He has fat default tall male model's cheeks. I know he's evil and all, i've read manhua, but they really did redeem him (partly). I'm kind of tired of writing in americano, so ответь мне на вопрос: зачем он удалил свои копии? Почему разработчики сделали так, что он ненавидит свои "молодые" и более "злые" свои копии?
My main problem with Scaramouche is the caviat that, because Irmunsul, the world forgets him. Any potential for character interaction is just gone (like how he meets Mona again in the 2024 summer event, but naturally they play it like nothing happened), and it feels like, just like the horrible actions Raiden did, his evildoing is just brushed over because he's so dreamy and handsome!! It feels like all that buildup they had for his character just goes to waste because, in a literal sense, nobody knows or cares about it now, and because of Scaramouche's personality, he doesn't care that the world has forgotten him either. And if you think about it, he kills himself twice when he gets his memories back since he just goes back to being the mean version of himself, just with no motive to do evil now. They literally just had to reset him in the story, and it makes his prior involvement feel like a complete waste because it doesnt matter.
Also Arlecchino's whole thing of "I don't ACTUALLY kill kids, I just gaslight them into thinking I'm going to kill them! (unless you count a memory wipe as a metaphorical death)" I get that she has her reasons for grooming child soldiers, and that's its to meet her own ends, but it still feels like they have to handwave some things so that she has "good" in her rather than being completely evil or morally gray. It feels more like Lyney chooses to stay with an abuser after seeing what he does at the end of her quest and how even the young kids were turning on each other and growing bloodthirsty. I do like that they are morally gray, just wished they commit to it more rather than having to force in a plot point or two in order to say "theyre good people actually"
Ego death is still death.
The fun thing but at times problem with genshin is that 99% of its lore is implied or shut behind 500 hour world quest that goes on forever and by the end you just want it to end. Not all the Harbingers and other characters development is plainly visible or even confirmed, even with how deep we are into the game there’s a very large amount of lore and story that is just walls on walls of text, random references here and there, or just random world quests that no one cares about. It must be so that people who want to just play it as a fighting game can while lore players can go diving for the lore like a mystery or puzzle game which is nice at times but sometimes it can take away or make developments seem like they come out of nowhere.
How evil Arlecchino's current actions depends on how you view Teyvat. Is there place for orphans. We know some of them are in max security prison just because. Arlecchino was raised to believe survival of the fittest mentality, so in her mind rising children with skills less than savory in our world might be only way for them to survive in Teyvat. I think Arlecchino has best intentions for people of House in a world that doesn't have ways to protect people less fortunate than others. Arlecchino's motivation might just be to keep people of the house alive, if so she would be morally good character in Teyvat. If she had other motivations for the house she would be evil.
Dude, she trains child soldiers, and we have confirmation that they DIE, like fucking die from missions. She also accepts psychopaths, like Foltz (may he burn in hell). This is like saying a pedophile is good in a world with no orphanages because he is the only one giving orphans a home, with the caveat that he uses them to sell "stuff" to other pedos in his pedo organization. The fact they are kept alive is a bare minimum, and shouldnt influence at all the fact that the children are still exploited by the character in question. Now imagine how much worse is Arlecchino that she trains them for mission where they 1) DIE in, 2) most likely have to kill innocents in cuz i doubt the fatui conviniently only make her target evil people, 3) She abuses them psychologically, to the point they fear death with her, and even if the death part is fake they still get their memory whipped, which is essencially death of character.
People just bend over backwards for Arleccino because she is "cool character mommy" that sometimes helps out, but 100% does so with ulterior motives. And the writters know this, which is why they have to bend over backwards to justify her being more "sanitized" than Dottore, which is a very very low bar to clear. For example the flooding in Poisson, i call bullshit on Arlecchino just happening to be investigating a ruin near it with just the right amount of fatui and supplies to help the town, because they had to make her and the other fatui scum "heroes" in fontaine. I
Something I would always like about Childe is how....Despite everything, he is still a kid at heart, heck, the game even said so ("Childlike exterior", "pretty boy"), and even is the youngest of the Harbinger, although, this childish side is kinda...Corrupted, in a way.
There was this long analysis by someone who is VERY good at analysis, but sadly don't post anymore, about him. And they talked about it
Basically. His Foul Legacy in the Golden House can be interpreted almost as a temper tantrum, and he needed to think a bit before realising that the Traveler had no chance (Btw, some translation of the game implies that the Foul Legacy prevent him from thinking coherently, which may add to this)
He also has yet to fully mature, because at the end, he doesn't want to share his boat with Signora.
And that his battle thirsting is like a child craving for something
Heck, it even stand today, because in the Archon Quest, despite him pretty much about to loose counsciouness, instead of like, going to the side to rest, he is being very petty and give that thumb down to Neuvillette (which is confirmed to be him being petty, look at the stickers)
And in Arlecchino story quest, not only he just, run away, instead of resting, but he immediatly want to spar.
Also, Arlecchino voiceline about him tell a lot too
If Detore ever becomes playable I would bet my account that it would be a newlywed created segment of himself that harbors no sin.
That’s what I am saying- a fledgling out of the nest…
I might be overcooking but get this: Dottore might be the least evil harbinger.
Because let me preface this with some opinions and speculations of mine. (delulu moment) Murder is evil, and Dottore has committed a lot of murders. He has also done a lot of illegal experimentations, and a lot of them were fatal. So, in the view of Teyvat, he is evil, true.
Teyvat it speculated to be a world that's in a Samsara, a.k.a. it's been on a cycle, and we also know that fates are already written in the stars, as if your entire life is predestined. It is also speculated to be its 7th cycle, because all characters from Teyvat have 6 constellations, and you need the character itself too, making it 7 copies, and in one of the loading screen tips, it says that "Wherever you go in Teyvat, the stars will always have a place for you." In that case, I'd like to speculate that the "Truth of This World" is that Teyvat is a simulation, a program of sorts being run by Celestia. (not really a program but yk what i mean. for example, something like ark survival evolved, kinda...)
Dottore knows the "Truth of This World", therefore, I'd like to say that in Dottore's mind, he is not killing anyone, he is not harming anyone, this is all just a simulation, this is all fake. Death means nothing if you are going to be reborn in the next Samsara. One would not call a programmer deleting lines of code from a program _evil._
Yeah, I'm delusional, I should seek help... huh...?
p.s. my english not good, pls no bully me
I believe that Arlecchino is a case of "hoyo wanted to sell a character". She contradicts earlier lore about her to be nicer in eyes of players, all horrible stuff they can put off they put off to Crucabena. Essentially, she doesn't feel like a character to me, but a marketing ploy. "Oh, she's the one players liked most in Lazzo, we can decide what we can do in Fontaine, yay!"
Thank you, you put everything I think about her into words. I never really connected with her because I just kept seeing a „marketable cool and over powerful mommy“ instead of an actual character
Yeah I fricking agree, but unfortunately this is a Chinese GACHA game so her badness HAD to be nerfed. I'm more interested in Crucabena now, but I know she will probably never be mentioned again (another character with missed potential, thanks Hoyo!)
@IMtiredal but we also saw other Fatui from the House before 4.0, who referred to current Arlecchino as someone to be feared of even for the inside circle. Aranyaka Fatui npc, and Tanit quest Fatui npc are scared of being part if the house, and I believe Crucabena is too dead by this time to be responsible.
@@Vickyef619 That has never changed she is still quite frequently described as being a feared by all the kids in the house.
However if you do go back to those previous quests you'll find someone who states themselves that they don't actually have a problem with the house. This is one of the biggest pieces of misinformation about it they don't want their younger sister to go there because they're younger sister wants to follow a very specific career path the house is not the best place for that. ( you don't send someone who you know wants to be a dancer to military school regardless of whether you are ok with the military school you send them to a dance school)
Honestly this bugs the hell out of me because people need to realise that the characterization of her was not just changed the characterization we got about her back then is very similar the only exception is with the voice Lines.
The problem with these voice lines is that everybody jumped on them and let their head cannon run wild, completely forgetting the fact that the two people who gave the voice lines aren't the best narrators.
Childe is very much not the best judge of character and has been shown to be easily manipulated and Wanderer has a pessimistic 98% of the people he meets.
What people mean when they say that they change her character to make it more marketable whether you like to admit it or not what it actually comes down to is my head canon didn't align with what the actual thing was so clearly they changed it.
@volfawott7417 Alright try to make sense of her character then. What is her motivation? Help the kids? She was at least capable of killing them off. Help Fontaine? No, she states that it was abt the kids, but we see how she cares abt them. Her own goals? Good, what are those??? She's not a fleshed out character, she has some traits like "ruthless" or "demanding", but what drives her, what is she about? You cannot even make a guess, bc her lore was written in two states: "pre-Lazzo", "post-Lazzo". Pre-Lazzo Arlecchino was about running a horrifying spy-like organization, post-Lazzo Arlecchino is about "Traveler has to tolerate her at least somewhat".
Unreliable narrator is a trope of when we're fed misinformation, yet combined it gives a grain of truth. It's not an easy way of retconing a character. I'm convinced, hoyo just saw how popular she got and made her a Fontaine Harbinger. Unfortunately, it led to some story mess that she is now
I really don't think that signora needed backstory or screen time. She did her job in procuring multiple of the gnosis and got what was coming to her at the hands of electro archon. No matter how stong you are or devoted to something you are, you will always face obstacles and the raiden shogun was the one she couldn't overcome
15:26 I knew that the balladeer would be incredibly abusive and rude to his subordinates, but he would HIT them? I shoudlve expected that but i didn't know. Where did you find that out?
It’s stated in the Husk of Opulent Dreams set!
No way Dottore gets a redemption arc right, RIGHT HOYO?!?!
After the things he has done to Collei, Scaramouche, all the folks at the dessert, and who knows how many other poor souls, HOPEFULLY NOT
I hope he won't have a redemption arc
They won't give him a redemption arc. Remember Dottore's Clones?
They'll give us a Blank Clone as a Pull.
Hmm, let's see:
- Charmed a classmate and strangled her to death, then lured tigers to mutilate her body to cover up his crimes.
- Set loose a ruin grader to kill off the rest of his classmates to eliminate any weaknesses.
- Conducted experiments on Eliezar patients using DISMEMBERED body parts.
- Kidnapped children from all over Teyvat to conduct more experiments. One of the victims being Collei.
- Sabotaged the Mikage furnace inTatarasuna, killed Niwa, manipulated Kabukimnon and corrupted him into becoming a cynical, nation destroying monster. Oh yeah, and Tatarasuna is still devastated to this day.
- Implied to have been the one responsible for luring Ursa the Drake to attack Diluc's caravan, resulting in Crepus' death and sending Diluc down the path of leaving the KOF and becoming a brooding anti-hero. Also mocked and taunted Diluc during their encoutner.
- Collaborated with the sages of the Akademiya to create an artificial god by putting the citizens of Sumeru inside a looping dream.
- Worked with Crucabina, another equally morally bankrupt Harbinger.
This man has traumatized and ruined the lives of at least three playable characters (Collei, Wanderer and possibly Diluc). At this point, there needs to be a therapy group for all of his victims.
This man has the word EVIL plastered on his face and he'll wear it with pride.
@@aeso3555 "This man has the word EVIL plastered on his face and he'll wear it with pride.", more like, he wouldn't care about being called evil. It's just a word to him, nothing more, nothing less.
He is just "happy"(insanely so) to be able to continue doing his sick experiments, without caring what anyone might think of him.
I'm somewhat annoyed by Arlecchino's moral ambiguity because it feels like, to me anyway, that it was only written in to give the writers a way to justify the popular theory that the Fatui "had good intentions all along", a potential twist that I absolutely hate. The Fatui have done so much illegal and violent shit that it's basically impossible for me to see them as "good guys", but just as I'm thinking "I guess if there was a kind of rogue faction with the Fatui that could potentially explain it away, but there's been no indication that has been the case." And then by the end of Arlecchino's introduction the House of the Hearth was pretty much established to be that rogue faction, and I was just so overcome with a sense of "Well, better late than never! I GUESS!!!" Her voice lines even have her basically saying "I may be loyal to the Tsarista, bUuUuUuUuT if she does something I don't agree with I would fight against her. Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge- **turns on megaphone and places it next to your ear** GET IT?! I'M FORSHADOWING!!!"
It’s like the parody of “The Shawshank Redemption” where Peter very slowly turns and looks at the audience when he comments on the fact that Andy and Red being friends - as Red is black - would make it more special for the audience.
I don't know about the other harbingers, but Dottore's goal has always been good, for humans to defeat teyvat's law is a good goal, but the methods are evil but also realistic i guess
8:25 La signora is actualy kinder than we can see on game, it's said that she loved visiting the house of the heart snd bring childrens gift because she felt loved or something, i think that overall she wanted to kill the world bc "the world killed her love" (idk just my speculation)
23:41 there's a theory saying that he could have been with Lisa at the Academia, (as most of us know she will soon die) that he fell in love with her and all those experiments are to find a way to make her live longer. that could make him like -1% less evil lmao
28:11 acctualy we know, Arlechinno is a decendent of the red moon dinasty (full or red moon i dont remember the name) she is from kenrhia acctualy
anyway sorry if it's not too accurate, this video was fire
6:24 I'm watching this with earbuds on and what a jump scare that sound effect was. I flinched and all haha. Anyway great analysis
In my opinion, I’m pretty annoyed and not fond of Arlecchino’s character. There’s so much text and lines about her being crazy and how terrible the House is but when she finally had a role to play they introduced her caring for kids and a previous harbinger being worse. They also don’t bring up that she’s still very much bringing children into a war and if they want out they have to fight for it; as if they actually chose to be apart of Fatui scheming. I think she would’ve been more interesting if they just actually made her act terribly and loyal to the cause.
Calm down, her character arc wasnt even begin😂, Fontaine is just prologue to her character, considering she is related to Khaenriah Dynasty i dont have a doubt her character will get alot attention in the main story later
@@daffafatih8669 that doesn’t negate the fact she was first debuted right before Sumeru, was given multiple quests lines for lore, and marketed in a way that made it seem she’d be heavily involved in Fontaine but was barely on screen during the Archon Quests. In terms of how the other harbingers have been introduced and spoken of before getting active, Arlecchino is just very unimpressive and boring to me. I’d think differently if her own quest and had a few other tidbits had leaned into her ancient lore instead of trying to go against the image of her being crazy and unfeeling that the game itself presented for more than a year.
They had to backtrack hard.
@@jonathanrobinson198 I think it's just a matter of taste, maybe you like the harbringer who is aggressive and dominant in his debut and role in the region. Regarding the issue of whether she plays a big role or not, I think that Arlecchino actually plays a very big role in Fontaine, it's just that she plays more on the political side than other harbringers who have to step in and work hard to get gnosis, she is very diplomatic, in fact I think she is the only harbringer who deserves to be called a real diplomat, and plus she was the first person to realize that Furina was not a hydro archon, who then gave instructions to HotH to save the drowning citizens of Fontaine.
I think she is someone who is more concerned with sitting and drinking tea while negotiating and talking like a diplomat, compared to other harbringers who take very arrogant and confrontational steps like signora, tartaglia, and scaramouche. the three of them weren't like diplomats at all.
Regarding how many characters or NPCs talk about various perceptions about her, from a wolf in sheep clothing to a selfish person, these are just various misconceptions from other people that Arlecchino wants. Her character theme is closely related to the theater theme, even in Fontaine's overture trailer she is on stage talking about perceptions and deceptive personas surrounded by many shadows of harbringers, as if she is exuding a false persona in front of the harbringers who are her audience
Regarding why her ancient lore hasn't been discussed in the game, it's probably because it's not the time yet. She is closely related to Khaenriah as a descendant of the ruler of a dynasty that has a hereditary curse, of course this contains a lot of lore that Genshin players should not accept at this time and will probably be discussed further ahead of the Khaenriah chapter. Moreover, there is a possibility that the Genshin anime will discuss her dynasty and ancient power, considering that the Genshin anime will be used as a lore summary which will take place during the archon war era, where the dynasty led by the ancestor Arlecchino was already established in this era.
For me, Arlecchino is the most enjoyable harbringer so far, its fresh to see a real diplomat comes to action
@@daffafatih8669 I think youre missing my point. I don’t need a Harbinger to be aggressive out of the box. I think Dottore is amazing and he schemes in the background. My two main issues stem from Hoyo giving players information to create a misconception of a character for multiple years. It means anyone who was actually interested in that kind of narrative or character has waited for nothing because the points of interest aren’t real or heavily misconstrued. It’s one thing to do that for a patch or two, but another if the drip feeding of info from the beginning isn’t correct at all.
Second, Arlecchino talks a lot about people needing to take matters into their own hands, and defying fate where I god could not; then isn’t even in the room to learn the truth behind everything and ultimately didn’t achieve what she thought she could. Everything went as Focalor wanted. Nothing was stopped with her efforts aside from offering the idea of a curse at work and saving half a town. Skirk told Neuvillette to get rid of the Gnosis so he had no issue giving it to her when asked in the first place. Then leaves. She’s not even from Fontaine and made her show up just to push the appeal of her caring about the kids. They even gave her a voice line saying she’d betray the Tsaritsa if it came down to it, so from every angle of a harbinger doing their job to her actual contributions so far in the story, she’s by far the least impressive and interesting to me. Dottore at the very least orchestrated openings and applied pressure to get gnosis and the years of lore Hoyo gave Scara to stir interest for people, didn’t turn out to be inaccurate the moment he’s advertising for being involved in an Archon Quest. I’d like Arlecchino a lot more if they talked about her fondness for the orphans from the start and not two years later.
It’s honestly sad that signora’s entire backstory is hidden behind artifact descriptions or domains, therefore being unknown to Aether or Lumine. It’s a good story, but not known or fleshed out.
Because if you know the lore… it makes that venti kick seem a whole lot more justified……
Honestly, this is so random, but I’d love to see you do an analysis video of arlecchino specifically. I’d just love to see what you view her as in general from a writing standpoint. Imo, she was used really well in the AQ.
Speaking of Childe I seen a theory that he is the vessel for the third descender, which is the reason why Natlan has the “ode of resurrection”. Last gnosis… most likely will be seeing Mr world wide. I like it but we’ll see!
With Arlecchino and how they basically made the years worth of lore about her irrelevant and even gave her that ass pull at the end of her quest where she could conveniently wipe the children’s memories instead of having to kill them, it all reminds me of how Lestat from Ann Rice’s vampire books was retconned to have only feed on people who were immoral bastards in some fashion, in “Queen of The Damned”, at least if I’m remembering right.
Very Loud and Wrong lmao😂😂😂
Fire in Genshin is always closely related to the concept of "reborn" remember, so her fire can "reborn-ed" HOTH children are not an asspull.
@@daffafatih8669 it was an ass pull, it was for the sake of making her playable, murdering children simply because they want to leave the assassin/spy ring you run isn’t something you can have and still have them be likable, not believably anyway but there are people who sympathize with utterly delusional maniacs, that’s why you have people claiming MCU Thanos was “right” or people unironically quoting the Joker. They hand waved it by having her claim that Childe was simply being misled and she not only doesn’t mind the rumors spreading around her, she actively encourages them as it helps hide her true intentions.
@@thomasraines1396 first off, i don't sympathize with her and whatever she does in SQ, its just Hoyo "tone down" her evilness in her SQ, and I don't have a problem with that.
and she actually doesn't need the "aspull" power to be playable, its not like Hoyo planned her character to be dead in the future and Hoyo saw how ppl SIMP for her and they decided to pull an aspull for her lmao.
because her character file is alr existed far back then, and in her file name, it says "playable" not like Signora who was labeled "monster" in her file. Genshin is already being planned far back then, in terms of lore, playablity, etc.
I've seen you in many comments, judging many characters without in-depth analysis, thats very annoying bro to be honest
@@daffafatih8669 I never said you you specifically sympathized with her, I’m just saying I’ve seen characters who are way worse than her be sympathized with.
Yes they did tone her down, that’s what I’m saying.
Her being playable had to have some major twist, because pure evil characters aren’t allowed to be played in Chinese games from how I understand it, they always have to have something redeemable about them, which makes me wonder how The Doctor is going to be playable as he - as of now - is one of the more outwardly evil characters.
Genshin handles its writing months in advance, so it was just a matter of time until they did something to make Arlecchino seem more likable and they had that be that she’s not actually murdering children and is actively working against the terrorist organization she is apart of.
I honestly find her more appealing then Childe or Scaramouche because they write her knowing that she and Aether/Lumine will more then likely have to come to blows one day.
20:45 Dottore also used children from the house of the hearth to experiment on when Crucebena was the harbinger of the house.
Everything seems on point the only thing that bothers me is that some people were saying that Arlecchino is too strong for the traveler and it seems people forgotten that the archon or other strong characters helped us defeat certain harbingers, to me Arlecchino level of strength is that of childe but more tricky and stronger because of her cold nature, the only harbinger that catches my eye is Colombina
Arlecchino is one of my favourite characters among both Genshin AND Star Rail.
Her morally grayness is so interesting, she lies to get what she want, but she doesn’t kill people without a reason. She terrorizes Furina but it comes from a place of concern over the children’s safety. She objects to the abuse of the house yet enforces it in some ways. She’s loyal but would fight the Tsaritsa and Harbingers with hesitation. ITS SO COOL!
She’s also just *aesthetically* one of the best characters, the simple black/white/red colour scheme, the unique hands, the wing, the EYES, the DOUBLE SCYTHE!??? THE SUIT?!??? It’s just amazing 10/10
Simp
@@nationalgeografic7687 Nice job liking your own comment lol
@@otho69AD oh thanks for reminding it, I just did it.
There is nothing morally grey about her, she trains child soldiers, which die in the missions they are sent into. She abuses them and causes them psychological and behavioral damage, turning them into sociopath due to the necesity of that to survive in the HOTH. She has no regard for their wellbeing beyond a very robotical "they are alive, thats the bar i set". This woman also operates an espionage ring for a terrorist organization, assassinates targets or send the kids to do so, which most likely arent all "child abusers" because is the fatui who give her the orders. You couldnt have possibly chosen a less morally grey character. By that metric Hitler was a also a morally grey person because he instituted animal right reforms during his period in control of Nazi Germany.
There are characters in genshin who have been killed (reasonably so) and framed as their death being justified and a-ok by the narrative for way less than what Arlecchino ALONE is responsible for.
i think childe feels trapped, he has to do even the more extreme/evil orders in the end bc he knows he can't protect his family from the fatui, i think he is more then willing to fight but he also know he does not have a chance so he has just to obey, even orders he does not like.
4:13 She didn't accept, she HAD to fight. Raiden wouldn't have said "Proceed." If otherwise. That's why she says, "You've learned the ways of the land to your advantage" (despite Traveler never canonically learning this but wtv"
holy the sound at 6:25 jumpscared me 😭
My little theory is that is Dottore would be playable we could play one of his segments gone rogue and opposing his creator, but I am not sure anymore if that is possible since the deal with Nahida. But who knows maybe he did not keep his end of the deal and has one segment hidden away just in case.
Yea dottore probably has some backup that nahida can’t confirm because I don’t see Dottore staying true to his deal
Arlecchino's exact motivating ideal is something we don't know yet, which is very exciting! Yet, there are a few things we can figure about her that might give us a hint.
The most important thing to understand is that the "self" Arlecchino displays is not a manufactured "false self". We see her as a child precisely as reserved as she is grown-up, and in moments of heightened emotional turmoil, the "mask" over her emotions can be seen to slip, revealing a "true self" that is not much different from how she acts normally.
We can understand this as a response to the trauma of her upbringing. Arlecchino is emotionally reserved to a fault. Though she herself claims to put on a front as an "emotionless father", this "mask" is in fact the most honest version of herself that she is capable of being.
So, what does Arlecchino want?
To approach this question, one must understand that Arlecchino's words and expressions will never properly encapsulate her true feelings about something. To know what Arlecchino feels, you have to look at her actions. That is, in fact, one of Arlecchino's defining character traits; Arlecchino believes that words do not do justice to one's feelings and desires.
Given her actions, then, *very* broadly speaking, it seems apparent to me that whatever motivates Arlecchino, outside of her family, it must be something that she believes in with her entire being, and that goes beyond her obligations with the Fatui. In fact, it is entirely possible that her primary motivation is to cut ties with the Fatui at some point, and establish the house of the hearth as an independent entity- we frankly cannot know, because Arlecchino doesn't tend to weight her personal opinion of individuals against the positive results of her actions. Any respect she has for her allies will not be considered.
And this is important. Because it means that whatever Arlecchino chooses to do, she will do it believing that it is "right".
Based on vibes alone, I predict that her choice will be a good one. I believe that Arlecchino's story is inexorably tied to the concept of "fate", and that she will be forced to reckon with her cursed existence that both defies and is doomed by that concept.
The lyrics of Emberfire, I think, already give away the conclusion to this conflict. There is no world in which Arlecchino gives in.
i would loveeeeee for dottore to be playable, his design is sickkkkk
I definitely feel like we are at a point with Dottore where he's been called bad for so long and in so many ways that even though he has fans, I think there would be more outrage at his playability. Especially considering he may have always been bad, if the speculations of him being Zandik are true. You could make a case that he might be trying to help people and that's why he's always trying to cure or improve things but being considered worse off than death in 99% of the cases with him probably doesn't show that it's for a good reason or whatever. Like fine he doesn't have to be morally good but he's not really the popular type of bad for the protagonist's side at least. It's heavily theorized and implied that the Tsaritsa isn't really a bad person and is doing whatever it is she's doing to free Teyvat from Celestia but... Dainsleif also says she has lost the love for her people, so does she really even care enough for us to accept it if their side is later revealed to be "good"?
I am not really a Scara fan even now but honestly he doesn't seem or feel as bad as he was placed. He isn't the same person anymore as he was, and only has the memories of that version of himself. There's also still some discrepancy about what Irminsul really *does* (some believe he still did all those acts but that Irminsul just rewrote the history of how they were done, others believe that he really was able to undo it but that those same bad things still happened due to other reasons, as if by an inescapable fate). I lowkey preferred the mellow blank slate version he was before his quest... again, I'm not a simp so I'm sure his diehard fans would have hated that lol, but if nothing bad ever happened, that is the version of him we would have eventually come to know. His current self may be grumpy, but he's never shown to be antagonistic anymore? He's actually shown to be way kind now lol, just sounds like he hates doing it. If anything it might just be because he's embarrassed due to trying to grow from his past? idk how to phrase it
For Signora, I'm pretty sure Venti knew who she was. I can't recall where but I'm fairly certain it's said he knows all of the children of Mondstadt or something to that effect. I know bringing her back would cheapen her death, but tbh that whole era of Inazuma felt so poorly executed that the death only felt like shock value.
Arlecchino feels fine to me as she is. All of the lead up to her fits with her imposing character and the fact that people didn't truly understand her. Childe and Scara are *supposed* to be "unreliable narrators" because all of the character voice lines about each other are from that character's perspective. (Like Tighnari's line about Layla literally has him scoffing at some of her sleepwalking antics because he thinks they are fake, but we know they are actually true.) And the Fatui we meet that talk about how terrible things are in the HoH also seem like the type she would have freed from their world using the special fire (which seems new considering it happened after Fontaine did). It's pretty clear that she's wanting to be some vague level of "normal" but because she didn't get that, she doesn't know how to give that. She wants Lyney to become her successor and yet it's more or less clear Lyney would never go to some of the lengths she seems willing to go to, or at least in the ways she is willing to do things. She seems like she wants them to literally change things. Also we do know about her powers and more of her backstory... hyv released info on it a few days after her release. I won't say it in case people don't want to be spoiled.
I certainly don't think every "villain" needs to be redeemed but some of the characters we haven't really established as villains yet. Arlecchino for example has killed at least one / two for revenge (implied from both of her trailers). But Clorinde has also killed due to her job, and we don't have a morality conversation about it. It's implied Sandrone killed someone/cut out their tongue but he wasn't a good guy so is she a villain? Really the only person we've seen as 100% villain is Dottore, as everyone else in some way shape or form has been given a sympathetic background to explain away their actions or at least make them more understandable, whether people find their morality good or bad.
An interesting video to watch!
In regards to playable Harbingers, I actually think its better if certain Harbingers don't become playable.
Namely, Dottore, Pierro, Pulcinella (Rooster) and Pantalone. Dottore is someone that I hope we get to fight, as he is probably *the* most evil person in Teyvat.
I wouldn't count out Signora just yet though, I think theres a very real possibility of her having a sort of phoenix rebirth.
Dottore has a playable model, when will yall accept this?
30:56 it was said she was made the new Knave because the tsarita acknowledged her power and arlecchino just went a long with it
(I think, I’m just delulu at times)
Another thing to note, signora never accepted the duel, she kinda didnt have a choice 😭
Of course she had a choice. She wasn't wrong when she told the Traveler it was dumb for them to show up in Tenshukaku right in front of the Raiden Shogun considering they were a wanted a criminal. At that time, Signora had all the cards, it was only by losing the duel that she guaranteed she would lose her life. Up until accepting that duel she probably could have left with no issue. The Shogun didn't seem to give a crap about what Signora may or may not have done in Inazuma.
@@anaplaysstuff She never accepted it in the English translation kf the game, i cant speak for any of the other versions
I think Signora will return, there are alot of signs.
Watch out to not choke on that hopium!
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You seem to think i desperately want her to return.
That is not the case.
I dont particularly like her. I feel sorry for her past and thunk ther themes are cool, but how it is right now, i wouldnt pull for her.
I just think her comming back is logical given what we know and not bringing her back would be a huge missed opportunity from hoyos side.
Pls no
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Hm? Why not?
If you watched the anime video, Arrlechino is a Harbinger as a punishment for killing her predecessor
She was forced into it. I can see her continuing to groom child soldiers only because the Alternative of refusing is far worst under the Fatui.
it never said it was a punishment
24:03 litterally near-assasinated furina at open space just to track hydro gnosis
7:53 is this about Khaenri’ah?
We may see her again. The fact she’s lived for 500 years and isn’t a god is…well, fishy.
19:46
I really, really, really hope he becomes playable. Oh my gosh I really hope he does 😭 I don’t care whether or not he’s redeemed…
the bloodstained knight theory makes me want capitano to be a two faced sociopath with overpowered charisma, that's why no one can say bad things about him or they simply don't know what he does in the shadows
I don't want Dottore to have any redemption arc even if he become playable in the future. He is a lot more interesting if he stay the same.
people already mentioned Capitano, and I agree, I WANT to know about him. How he is noble and honest and honorable and reasonable while being No.1 of The evil organisation TM. And also he is the first of them, which means he has power to rival gods themselves
BUT. Who I really want to learn about is Pantalone. He seems to be JUST a man with money, but soehow he is the 9th harbinger. They are given nubers based on their strenght, and... how this sly man is stronger than Childe? Like we litterally know nothing abt him besides that he is rich. What is his goals, what are his powers? Nothing. And that what make me want to know him. How this regular dude is higher than ultimate soldier?
Oh, and also, I don't see people talking, how we still don't know who is 10th Harbinger. Like... we have no mention of them at all. We don't even have hints towards that 10th place is empty now. No. Just zero information
They are all evil and I just can't see past that. They can have reasons and personal unfair lives lacking justice but that is still sorta pointless because nothing excuse them for doing what they are doing in my eyes. My life is tough and unfair and yet I still don't submit myself to evil, immoral or injust things. I can't relate enough to villains is why I couldn't care less about how developed or gray/evil they are. Some are charming some are blunt, but effect on the world is same in the end. Killing innocents, destroying their lives whenever they are in the way of villain's goal. We need villains for story of course but making them likable to make them "more interesting"...is not my cup of tea.
Agreed a villain doesn’t need to be good, but rather have a actual reason for what they’re doing for instance, if they’re negative actions on the world are actually bringing about a positive light that they’re aware of but the harbinger are simply doing more than good
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS. Im tired of seeing everyone fellate this characters like they are the next Vegetta of redemption arcs, but they all just suck as people, like it would've worked if they were antagonistic but not crossing a line. This people instead dance over it like they wanna flex on them plebs. So far we have a murder hobo turned teachers pet (Scara), a fight slut sociopath who only sees people as weak and doesnt care about anyone but their own personal relatives (Tartaglia), an assassin and spy that makes child soldiers and abuses kids psychologically (Arlecchino), a psychopath obssessed with science (Dottore) and a lot of others who dont seem that good either on account that they work for a terrorist organization thats essencially Nazi Germany blended with the KGB and CCP.
miHoYo just has to add Vita in Genshin Impact and that will Confirm that Teyvat is Venus and The People of Teyvat are The Sky People...
Curious to see where Capitano lands on that chart once the Natlan Archon quest approaches its end.
Why would the Jester and Tsaritsa place all their trust in people who are so difficult to control? I think because that unpredictability makes them the people most likely to be able to thwart the machinations of fate (i e. The Heavenly Principles). In a world which enforces lives to play out in certain ways through the stars/ley line matrix, such people are likely necessary to overcome those mechanisms.
yeah i LITERALLY MAIN THE 4TH OF THE HARBINGERS
arle. please kill me.
I really see Dottore as Rick Sanchez and i can sense i can understand him. If not just because the same colour hair, the same white robe and the same thing of having multiples and alternative versions of himself. Is just the essence, his spirit. I see him as a final boss being irredeemable.
I agree. Hopefully Wanderer will get some sort of contact with his mother Ei by the end of the story. Then Wanderer also needs to get a fight to the finish with El Docttore! (Colli should be included in revenge on El Docttore as well) just to finalize his arc. Maybe he will show up in Natlan.
Yeah no, Raiden doesn't deserve anything
NAH no one could make me like you signora.
I hope Signora gets revived and gets some more depth in-game. A good amount of fanart came from Arlecchino's voiceline about Signora being lonely and finding enjoyment with the children, things like that could be expounded upon. A lot of people don't like her though so it may not happen which is disappointing in my opinion.
this is actually the reason why I think she might return, arle voiceover towards her is kind off out of place like, you don't give a positive information about someone who's irrelevant and dead, I can see them redeeming her character later...
@@fromAshesReborn24 It definitely gives me a shred of hope, I also thought something similar when they had that flashback of her and Scara talking to each other in mean banter, I thought they were drawing comparisons between them on purpose. But if she doesn't get revived in Natlan I'm just going to assume they're done with her sadly. Fingers crossed though.
@@fromAshesReborn24Cope😂
hi dottore did not do direct experimentation on collei!! its even included in colleis wiki!! dottore overlooked someone who was doing mass experimentation on collei! the person who experimented on her name is barnabas. this shit was even in the manga and I'm tired of ppl spreading misinformation.
But he still allowed it. It's like saying Hideki Tōjō wasn't guilty of his crimes because hey, it was other Japanese generals and scientists that participated in Unit 731!
Barnabas is his subordinate, like directly his assistant, he is the one that collects subjects for him. If you really think he didnt had a hand on Collei you must be coping or missing info cuz is clearly stated that he indeed treated her, the method he used was what left her with trauma, and even if he didnt participate directly all the way through he still put her in that situation, so for practical purposes is irrelevant. One way or another he is responsible, and he has had many other subjects so even if Collei, by some miracle wasnt his fault then the other hundreds of people and children he did experiment on would fill the role regardless. This is equivalent to arguing whether Vladimir Putin directly killed a specific individual or left his subordinates to do it for him.
your thumbnails always look so lovely, I adore the artwork on them
Signora’s death might be connected to the Snezhnaya story later on and that’s only my personal opinion but maybe her death was a better choice in early stages to show cruelty of Tsaritsa’s plan. Even her own people will suffer and the care she gives is “oh too bad anyway let’s give 1 day break from work and then continue”
BABE WAKE UP a new otsu video dropped
We all know you’re a virgin bro.
Dottore's motivation is purely his pursuit of knowledge. As someone from Sumeru, he believes that wisdom is the most important thing. But unlike those folks in Akademiya, he does not restrict himself from any unethical sciences. His ultimate reasoning for any atrocity would be "i wanted to see what happens". He is genuinely so blinded by his ideal, that the only thing he might see as evil, is doing something that doesn't bring any new discovery.
I am PRAYING on Signora's return. They can't just waste all her story and her resurrection flags.
The Harbingers absolutely are complicated characters to be sure, you have some real villains like Arlechomo, who is a bloodthirsty murderer who justifies her own sociopathy by doing the cringe "right targets" nonsense, nevermind the fact she attacked an innocent person (Furina) based on rumours/falsehoods and to date has never apologised for this fact, displaying how prideful and incompetent she truly is. (So pathetic she didn't even play an important part in Fontaine's AQ, and instead was relegated to a forgettable slop story quest.) But I suppose that's what happens when you're used to bullying children and literally gaslighting them into joining your cult/discarding them like trash when they decide to leave. Disgusting, truly. Likewise, there are those who are simply too pathetic or too weak-minded to be worth anyone's notice, such as Scaramouche, the eternal victim, and Pantalone, a pathetic loser who instead of elevating himself and improving wants to drag everyone else down with him, basically a crab in a bucket. Truly detestable, one may add Pulcinella there as well, simply a social climber and manipulator.
Not everyone can be beautiful, amazing, and a hero like Dottore, who is trying his hardest to save humanity, alongside the Tsaritsa, and who is beloved by cuties like Columbina. ❤ Childe is pretty based too, W Dottore, W Columbina, W Tsartisa, W Childe. Sandrone is cool too, everyone else is simply ok.
Midtorre trashcharacter😂
The Harbingers kinda have thay Batman villain levels of charm to them.
Idc how well written they are it will never make sense to me how they sided with the traveler after they massacred SEVERAL fatui soldiers and are actively the tsaritsa’s enemy😭
The only way I can imagine a positive interaction between the traveler and dottore is him giving the traveler a safe(ish) passage through the the cryo nation, with the promise that he can figure out how the traveler works, but that's definitely stretching it, I kinda hope that they don't pull a redemption ark, I feel that there's a lack of proper evil people in the game, don't get me wrong I like the morally grey thing but a real evil big bad is something I've missed from media
31:03 Imo it's simple, they're strong and they get the job done
Even Hazbin Hotel ain't giving redemption to that Zandik dude
Well, what I am possibly thinking is if Doctorre will even get to be playable seeing in my POV of the only way it could happen. He could intentionally try making more of his segments or whatever you call them after Nahida made him destroy them all as I dont see any implications of Doctorre being unable to make more now. As maybe Doctorre will be in a rush to finish his segment as maybe the traveler and other goons gather up to bring him down causing the segment to have several issues and become a failed experiment much like Scara.
And as of such an experiment, this different or new Doctorre will not be as pure evil as one may think of. However, this is all speculation and will probably never happen as I personally think Doctorre will be killed by Scara or be taken down in a different way.
I doubt he will ever be a character but its just a "what if" type of thought.
Im a simple man. I see Tartaglia in the thumbnail, i click
I like that we characters who do kind of terrible things, but are not full on terrible people.
We are a little of everything, a variety of grays depending on the sunlight in times of darkness. Ha ha ha
U talking about Babymuche
Babymuche: Starts talking shit in the tulpa cave here the echo is... I had to lower the game noise
honestly the knave is indeed a good "father" if you look past the "daddy" jokes
Maybe after the game comes to the end, mihoyo can make a few films that explains many things.
In my opinion, i dont think the fatui are very threatening.
Because. We barely see them. They have less screen time then disney twist villians
I do have the feeling Signora or Rosalyne to be more specific, will be resurrected or reborn in some way. The story of Genshin has a lot of rebirth in it, like how Nahida is Rukka in the new samsara. But it might just be me getting my hopes up... Her character design and everything is too good to have died so suddenly.
Yeah I was also thinking about senora I always wondered why they made her accustomed weapon All of this fancy stuff if they're just going to kill her in the end just seems like a lot of work for nothing
The Return Of The Queen
Signora is still my favorite bro
I really hope she comes back so that all that character potential wasnt wasted
I agree(
@@ruelie She's not coming back lmao
@@PeruvianPotato we'll see
chaotic evil, neutral evil or lawful evil.
I think arlecchino never rlly had a choice about joining the Fatui because she was from the house of the hearth and killed Krusebena who was in the fatui so she just joined after. Idk though
Signora just came off like a self centered jerk to me so I didn't care that they killed her off, didn't even know why she had fire powers they don't need to be fleshed out but a surface level monologue should be ending
I fully imagine that the Dottore we see will probably die, but we will get a playable version in a newly created clone that looks like him but doesn't have the evil history, as Hoyo's way of making every playable character redeemable.
all of his segments are him, if we get one as playable then dottore isn't dead
we actually have dottore's backstory; he's from sumeru from years ago too. and god he has been disgusting and selfish since the start. you can go to "my name for now" he's made a video on the scattered lore of the doctor.
Now it's clear that there are 4 Harbingers will no Doubt Betray the Tsaritsa
Dottore is Genshin's Mr Sinister.
Childe my be the character to tour us when the Traveler finally arrives at Schneznaya
Is it ok If I like both Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail?
also fun detail; childe is the only character in genshin with no eye light
Signora shall be resurrected in Natlan as short girl model, mark my word. She lost her power.. and her size
Cope
@@daffafatih8669you're under every similar comment section writing that every time, do you have anything better to do?