Incense Shop Boxing, Three War form
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Xiāng Diàn Quán / Hyong Naing Gung, Sān Zhàn / Sang Njieng
The San Zhan form (demonstrated by master Wu Kong Tan) is the foundational set of the Xiang Dian Quan style.
Xiang Dian Quan (Incense shop boxing) Is a traditional southern Luohan style practiced in the Fuzhou area of Fujian province. About 100 years ago the owner of an incense shop learned this style of southern Luohan from a Buddhist monk. His martial descendants living in the area named the style Xiang Dian meaning "Incense Shop" literally translated as "fragrant stall/shop".
Karate Nerd bought you here.
Guilty
Me too. Because TH-cam algorithms
Yep 🤷🏻♂️
You know it
mike jai white movie "th-cam.com/video/6e5HOyKQB0E/w-d-xo.html" brought me here, this dance has meaning for self defense, have to interpret with imagination. Shaolin, mauy thai, krav, judo, karate, boxing, aikijujutsu are all the same body movements and principles. the mastery is in the disguising of every move to be unpredictable or predictable to move opponent to their destruction.
Let's hope these styles never die out
Karate nerds report!
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Here!
Is this the same kata that was shown to the karate nerd?
@@greenshifu Yeah the one he was practicing appeared to be San Zhan (ie Sanchin). He also said it was the first form which is traditionally San Zhan. I think there might be 2 versions of San Zhan practiced in some Xiang Dian lines though. I can't remember they have like 6-7 empty hand forms.
Yes
I learned this form and then immediately won my first fight!
I appreciate martial arts and studied Chinese as well as Japanese, but this song and the theme song from “Once Upon a Time in China” are a bit over done.
The music is actually from movie Ip Man and not Wong Fei Hong of Once Upon a Time in China.
TheOlddoggie ditto and both ate too overdone for the last 30 yrs.
Hahahahaha
Agree. We need new music.
Wow. What a rare video!
I learned a southern dragon fist form that had the exact same opening as this sam chien!
Incredible! Thank You!
That theme tune again............. lol Ip Man fever...
Are there any videos with traditional applications of some of these movements?
Yeah look up karate nerd.
If you look up goju ryu bunkai, you can see some of the applications, the movements are amazingly simmilar (the blocking techniques, two handed techniques of pushing the oponent forward after blocking, fliping of the oponent, , especially the bunkai of the black belt katas (bunkai) when done at full speed.
si esto es kung fu de china por este estilo tubo que salir el karate cuando le enseñaron a 1 japones para practicarlo y despues enseñarlo a su forma.
No Japones... Okinawenses. Son dos naciones distinctas.
chzao shie ya hai zhan shie ya hai tong bai ih shui bin jiankshie cai zhai kyang zuo di khan ih li shan zhi zuo pu ih shi lun jong bu tuo shie bu tuo chun chang kshe bu ku tuo jia xia hai she ru chin binn ren xu zhiu tai kong he chin ih tai zai tai zhong zhi th-cam.com/video/EhQJaon1LEQ/w-d-xo.html
That was really cool!
Shieh shieh hen shu ih zhi Rong kuang kan li Shi Wang tu zai Hai she Cai kung fu te Tai Ta te Hai she Wang
I wonder, is simple mean better or simple were lost quality?
depends on what you want to do with it, simple is better for some, complex is better for others.
I have a question. Why doesn't he pull his opposite arm back completely when he throws a punch?
Fully drawing the hand back is not needed with core strength and good body mechanics. Sanchin is never done with hikite. A good question would be, “when is it and when is it not appropriate to fully withdraw the passive hand”?
@@integratingkali1607 Why is it never done with hikite? How do you close the gate without hikite?
I have a diffrent answer, I think it depends on the application, when you pull back the hand, you are using it as a lever for the next move. The aplication here is diffrent the move is intended to push the oponent forward to make some distance. It's not a mere punch. (one hand blocks the attack (a punch then kick) the other pushes the oponent forward once you are close to him after you blocked.
The off hand is likely grabbing something in the long lost application of the form.
Hell, half the time, the punching hand is actually grabbing something.
Practice grappling both shirtless and jacketed, both armed and unarmed, both with and without strikes.
If you pay close attention to grips, handfighting, and limb manipulation, eventually, you will realize how few of the moves within Chinese and Okinawan forms are meant to be strikes.
Not to say that these systems don't contain strikes, but they were adapted from battlefield arts, so even though they are bare handed arts, they still have the battlefield mentality of disabling your opponents weapon/weapon arm, and or throwing them to the ground while you remain standing.
How the heck did we get Sanchin from this?
You didn't, it's not the F-ing ancestor of karate just because a TH-camr happened to need a big discovery reveal segment for his mini series thing.
There are hundreds of San Zhan forms in China. This is just one of them.
@@TeaSerpent what about this makes you angry?
@@Tamales21 At a guess, I would say dozens of people who have never been here before, all asking the same question over and over.
Sanchin comes from White Crane which is a different style. But they all mixed together in Okinawa I think.
No, no, this isn't what originated Sanchin, could inspired, but it was not the major inspiration. Search for San Zhan.
Sorry, could you slow that down a notch? We need to absorb history
You can adjust the playback speed of any video in the setting section under the video.
Herp derp, can you translate "War And Peace" into Babylonian for this 2 minute video?
The speed isn't the issue but the quality
MMA ....MMA.....MMA.........
your mama aint here bruh
Not that impressive.
I don't think you understand the history in what he did there. I don't think he's alive anymore and there's only one person alive that has mastered that style of Kung fu. It's actually the original shaolin Kung Fu which is one of the origins of Karate. No one wants to learn it anymore and only one person is a master in it. No one wanted to get taught it and it's quite sad. Watch the karate nerd in China last episode where the meet the guy.
Ah well... All traditional arts don't look impressive when you don't get to see a guy beat up or knocked down in an "arena". Watch or listen to (edit: why did I type that British Celebrity chef Gordon instead the Martial artist sport coach in Shanghai?) Ramsey Dewey's videos, where he recounts times where even he's encountered traditional lifelong masters that astounded himself (a Sanda/MMA type of guy who probably doesn't take B$ ).
Most people watching this video appreciates the historical link, and it's sad to see arts dying out , like entire libraries burning down with a lifetime of experience.
actually I think that's all I do when I watch other arts... "Does that contribute to my Karate or understanding?" It's all body intelligence at the end as Rick Hotton would say from the Shotokan world. Stay safe and train well.
@@nadroj-88
Wu Kongtan is still alive and teaching.
Xiang Dian Quan is the most popular out of several Luohan Quan styles practiced in Fuzhou prefecture. In fact it's one of the most popular local styles overall in Fuzhou.
There are many masters of this style in and around Fuzhou as well as people teaching the style overseas.
There is no evidence of there having been a historical Shaolin temple in Fujian. all evidence points to it being a fictional creation originating from mid 19th century southern Chinese gang myths.
There is no evidence of any direct link between Xiang Dian Quan and the Bubishi, or between Xiang Dian Quan and karate.
The 4 Luohan forms in the Bubishi do not match any of the 6 main forms in the Xiang Dian system.
@@TeaSerpent "don't match"
Because Karate or Toudi is a bybrid martial arts style. Tegumi played a role. But the leverage movements clearly in fact literally match Karate perfectly.
@@nadroj-88 Yeah, I wish Lin Shan Quan would teach it here in the USA. I would love to learn Incense shop boxing, he was amazing, i watched KarateNerd in China