I've seen some comments confused about the "Grandfathering" membership prices being discontinued which I mentioned at 9:35, so I'd like to clear that up. I've done some more research and I'm glad to say that this is not true, the Grandfather Prices still exist for 1-6 month Subscribers, so long as you "do not lapse out for more than 14 days" Sorry if that part of the video caused any confusion, that wasn't my intention, thanks for pointing it out. You can find more information regarding it here: oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:New_Prices_2024
Yeah "dont lapse out for atleast 14 days" in other words if you dont relapse within 14 days your losing your fix. Lmao jagex is a bunch of clowns. I quit bcuz A while back i bought 5 bonds and it charged my bank twice so i tried for weeks to reach out to jagex and got nothing but automated responses and emails from their bot system. I finally just gave up and took the L i wasnt getting my money or other 5 bonds. Then like 2 months later i got banned for RWT like bruh. I cannot be asked wasting another second of my time or money on a game that could care less of a shot about the ones who feed them. Like you said if jagex said they can do it they could. But they arent going too unless forced by the players after backlash like this. Or its for the right price. And that is disgusting honestly. Account security should be priority and FREE especially if you pay a steep subscription every month and the game take literal thousands of hours to "max your skills". Seeing the survey was just 10 extra nails in the coffin. Im grateful gagex scammed me for 5 bonds. That $25 saved me possibly hundreds on a shotty subscription to this shotty company lol. God bless yall and goodluck on learning some skills irl Edit: i also think jagex banned my main bcuz they know im a pvper and i have 20+ pvp builds i made myself. so they probably think im helplessly addicted to their shot and will just make a new account to do again. But hell nah i would much rather try WoW for 1st time then to even use any of my accs again. I been giving all my good friends my accounts so they have dope builds to use in my legacy lol damn near all of em max too it was such a shame fr i loved this game
ha! i just had to cancel membership on my 20 year old account. My cousin and i share a launcher. She got new phone, tried transferring her stuff to the new phone, and the microsoft auth app wont display her runescape 2fa login. We spent days attempting to contact some form of microsoft support, and didn't get anywhere. So were locked out of our shared laucher. Sadly had to cancel my membership on my account since i cant have access to it. And Jamflex offers 0 resolutions to their approved 3rd party partners for 2fa. Note for everyone, DO NOT USE MICROSOFT. 0 ways to contact an actual representative. And their online guides for help are of 0 use.
As someone from the U.S.A. jack and Jill is a pretty well known story here, but I had no idea it was as true story and that's where it happened, thats so cool to learn
yee in canada its like,, weird if you dont know it.. thats cool, my uncle is neighbours with al capone (or would have been if he lived there in the 1940s) he had one of his very few safehouses in canada in quadeville ontario canada... many ppl say its just speculation and stuff.. i refer them to kaufeldts general store where there is a picture of him out front of this cabin with his boys and a couple women, oh its legit.. he ran his boot legging out of the cabin my uncle lives beside its cool to take a stroll in and see how hes doin.. i swear to god its haunted by something lol
Beside the lameness that’s happening with that survey and all that jazz.. I appreciate the stroll from across the pond it’s so beautiful and green out there!
The issue with accepting the CEO at his word, is that Runescape 3 has had very similar outbursts and the same dog and pony show placated everyone until they forgot two weeks later. While I would love to think the worst is behind us, Jagex's past actions show otherwise. The victory people feel now is false, dont resubscribe too soon.
Thanks for standing up and also speaking out about this raiksey. Often in these troubling times the loudest most influential voices cower in fear of the repercussions. I admire you for this stance and bravery
In the apology from Mod Pips under Ads in Membership he says they will not include in-game advertisement in any REGULAR paid membership while under AFK Timers he says that they will not be reducing AFK timers for ANY paid memberships. This tells me that ads are coming, at least for F2P. Just you wait boys
This tells me yea they are bringing ads and what constitutes a regular paid membership? Buying with cash? That would mean bonded membership may be getting ads too
@@molonlabe3815 It wouldn't shock me at all. What concerns me is that if we allow this to happen, it will make it easier for them to introduce more in the future
100% they keep lying about their player count. I hate the fact they tarnish the name of “old school” like yes we needed updates but the crap coming out now a days just feels like cut rs3 stories and items (yeah what a joke when they talked early on about power creep) like now we have exactly a power creep then they nerf something and make something even stronger lol… like the inferno? Almost as easy as a fire cape using BIS now. Like the game is a mess and they always say “oh no we won’t do that” and then it “passes” a poll. Would love to actually see real poll data. Not just the rigged numbers to get their crappy content passed and when we know nobody wants it and they can’t rig it without being completely obvious, they have some BS reason to put it in the game anyway. “We need to balance the game” sounds like rs3 eoc excuse. Keep in mind how many times they have legit lied, like you could probably make a hour long video on every lie. Cya again when we go back to “old school” again if we aren’t paying $50 a month.
i wouldn't even really call the post an apology honestly they still want to bring these things into the game even talking about exploring the ads in f2p in the "apology" post. We also know at this point they want to increase prices again and use the excuse of better security and player support that we will never see.
you might be too young, but back in teh days (2000-2007) when this game was on Miniclips / browser ONLY you had an ad bar at the top all the time in f2p and even members i think. so its nothing unheard of... f2p ads should be a thing.
I will 100% go to brighter shores if they try to implement any of this bs. Also i want to say that ppl pay less for w.o.w. think about that. Wow is the biggest game in the world and they pay less than we do.
After playing since RS classic days I deleted my character and pulled my annual renewal. Im thankful they tipped their hand because it made it so much easier walking away. I have a lot of great memories but once this PR nightmare blows over ill never think of Jagex or OSRS ever again.
Eh...only because it was going to touch the bank account. If they really cared then this joke of a threat of sailing would not of made it this far hahahaha
I'm just so frustrated. I had all this trust in the game being around for awhile. My goal this year was to max, so I've been grinding a lot. Now with the trust gone, I feel like there's no point. Why learn the he box jongr sepulcher techs? Why spend hours making blood/soul runes? Why even figure out how to do hunter runours? My motivation to engage in the content is just gone. It's frustrating. I liked the game, I was willing to sink hours and money into it. But now that I can see (as I like to term it) "the beginning of the end." My overall feelings have bled to "What's the point?"
For me, the fact that a lot of this is even on the table shows the direction Jagex is wanting to take the game. Even if they apologize and promise to "do better" and they "hear us", it's the same sorry excuse every time they do this. We've heard those exact quotes probably half a dozen times in the past couple years. They 100% plan to go through with at least some of the ideas in the survey, and that's the most concerning thing.
This is exactly it for me as well. It's hard to motivate myself to progress through these endless grinds knowing the current projection they want to take the game. It's way too much of a commitment to be left out to dry in the end.
I'm done until they fully backtrack. I understand the mods and developers may not want this, but at the end of the day the company that owns them has final say on a lot of this, if they don't feel like we will stop, it will eventually get to that point, unless they feel like the money will dry up they will gradually introduced this. EOC killed the game for me for a long time, this is doing it again.
we have been with our favourite OSRS content creators for 10+ years at this point. If runescape dies from atrophy its a sour loss but we still need to keep in touch with the creators, that lives on. I personally havent played RS in like 3 years but I still watch all the creators. That is who I was invested in in the first place!
12:12 I believe those are Jersey cattle, one of the cows that produce the most milk in comparison to other breeds like Angus or Hereford. They're also on the cheaper side, for cows anyways.
Wouldn’t you think they picked a select few to get a specific response? I suppose the response they wanted was what they got they wanted to ask the people who have been around a long time maybe or maybe they tried to get everyone that they thought would agree and failed miserably
I think there's a larger picture to the message you're sending, Raiksey. The same bit about making a fuss and doing something to show your discontent applies to much more than just RuneScape. There's a saying I'm going to butcher, it's something like: "They came for group A, I'm not a part of it. I didn't say anything. They came for group B, I'm not a part of it, I didn't say anything. Then, they came for me and there was no one left to stand up for me."
Totally outrageous what they proposed.. totally agree with your points. Really feel it just demonstrates their viewpoint on managing the game. Very concerning, glad you made the video.
I cancelled my annual sub for the first time since I subbed at osrs launch. They took grandfather pricing. They raised prices three times. And now this. I am tired of the enshitification. I am tired of profits at the expense of the consumer.
you act like it made all the difference to jagex. you are only fooling yourself. Dont act like you dont spend 30$ a week in energy drinks/junk food at the gas station. If you cant afford a simple $12 sub a month then get a new job bud.
@@jackhofalot6705 clearly 12$ wasn’t outside of his budget… he’s complaining about the new changes to membership and how he isn’t going to support it… what’s your problem? Seriously, players like you are aids to a community “how dare you all feel strongly about something that will rip the game apart and push old and new players away” you’re such a weird person bro fr
I too use gp to buy bonds for subscriptions. whats happening is the lattest company that bought Jagex paid 1 billion dollars for it. They want to make their money back within 3 years. It is obvious but the thing is they would make more money on volume than on price. A market of people who can spend 5 dollars a month is 100x larger than a market of people who can spend 50 dollars. Anyone making a game pay attention for a subscription of less than 10 dollars a month you will grow more than increasing your prices by 20 to 30 % per year. or every 6 months.
Yeah this is bad news. I still have 260 days of membership but idk if I will renew directly after. I should be maxed before the end of this membership and this doesn’t look good
Super Cool Video, Honestly, if you worked in In person sections into your videos it would not only keep it fresh, but also allow us to see cool skits/bits keeping it fresh if you wanted lol. Good video though, super cool walk!
My theory is that it's due to the increase in national insurance that companies have to pay for each of their employees. They have to find ways to increase money to offset the extra payment to the government.
like you said, if the player base hadn’t raised their voices in-game and on Reddit, Jagex would’ve totally taken advantage of us. But now the cat’s out of the bag, and we know they’re capable of good customer support and letting us keep our old names. Hopefully, they take that into account and start offering better perks for standard memberships too!
For a private equity firm, it's not enough to just be profitable (which Jagex is). They need to be growing the share price and maximising profits. They see the peak player numbers during Leagues and see a missed opportunity. This is how unfettered free market capitalism works, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see them testing the waters with a survey like this. The good news is the RuneScape community has a history of protesting against shit decisions and boycotting the game when necessary and we've done the right thing by making it clear we will not stand for any fuckery. If they start trying to introduce some of these proposals by stealth we need to be willing to walk away. This is just another example of the blight that is private equity on video games and the industry that makes them. Beyond Runescape, if you hate the way things are going then make a stand - stop playing games with exploitative monetisation models, stop spending money on them and save your time and money for games that don't just treat you like an ATM. And Raikesy lad, I didn't know I needed an IRL vlog channel in which you wander the English countryside and muse on the issues of the day, but now I do.
Hey Raikesy, cool vid, i agree with alot youre saying, but im confused what you mean about the legacy price, im still on old membrers since been subbed since 2017, about £6 a month, it hasnt been removed
Where did he get this removal of loyalty program comment from? I haven't seen that posted anywhere that people are no longer grandfathered into their 5$ rates per month for longstanding subscription. Can someone help show me where and when that change was made?
This is the first time I've ever seen your face brother... I can't believe how good you are at this game. I've played RuneScape for over 20 years and don't even hold a candle to you big man
At this point, I think the only way to save Jagex is for the community to pitch in and buy out Jagex - turning it into a non-profit. This is the only way to retain its integrity and not be subject to corporate greed.
Just to touch on ads, as someone who played at the start, does nobody else remember the ads that used to display above and below the client when it was all hosted on a Web page in f2p? When you subscribed they disappeared. Not sure of the nuances but whats the difference? If its something like that, then thats fine, it all depends on how intrusive they are.
I remember those, but we have been without those for 15+ years, if not 20+ years. They’re bringing back crap updates out of greed. Downfall of the game.
i think this is the beginning of the end. I remember when WoW started to introduce the cash shop. It started off as very small things but its now pretty much their primary focus . If they do the same to osrs ill just have to say goodbye to 20 years of good memories. sadge
They've destroyed the most important thing with a community, trust. I cancelled mine immediately upon learning they were considering this bs. It's obvious from the survey that this is something they've been sitting on for a while, and it's obvious from the responses that they are absolutely still considering it. Like many I will be keeping an eye on things, but I don't have high hopes and I sincerely hope that the backlash from this shows them exactly how much of a monumental trash heap of a decision they've made xD I would have liked to see them put up a video with genuine responses instead of more cooperate damage control nonsense.
Some of that shit is gonna hit the game at some point sadly. Its pathetic, i was actually gonna play some osrs again, but this makes me 100% not gonna re sub again
I pray it is behind us, i hope it doesn’t have to be a huge show down and these people lessen it will kill there game the game i grew up with the game i love my entire life we will see also ive been to Portsmouth England England is very beautiful
That Easter egg of Jack and Jill was awesome. Glad I watched to the end. But you made an interesting point about this company stopped honoring the old prices. I didn’t cancel my membership because I was hoping they would honor old subscribers. Now I k ow that’s not going to happen. Mod pip on other hand is guilty. We should stop defending the man who is pushing this crap. He knows what he did. And this stuff coming into game 100%
They're absolutely going to keep pushing until all of that is in the game unless something changes, like jagex being sold again. I canceled my membership. I've got other things going on in my life that were pushing me away from it already, but I always kept my sub up in case I found the time to play, and because I wanted to support the game. I'll resub if they post a sincere apology and lower the price. Alternatively, if someone were to buy the game and take the company private, then I'd resub. You've got to stand for something.
Surprised this drama has come round so soon. Haven't played since September (last price rise drama) and won't consider playing again till it comes back down (yeah I'm not optimistic either). No amount of profit will ever be enough. Players can without doubt expect these sorts of changes to slowly creep in. Just watch, give it another 6 months maybe even April time.
For people that dont have time to make money in game but enjoy what it has.. you can make a months membership in under and hour of work.. for a month. Whereas grinding for a bond every 2 weeks is a non stop grind
I've been playing for well over 15 years, and I have paid the same price, every month since then. Jagex has made thousands off of me because I love the game. I really hope that it just remains the same. That's what makes Old School RuneScape, Old School.
"Jack an Jill went up the hill, both with a buck and a quarter. Jill came down with 2.50. Ohhhhhhh" -andrew dice clay I think they realized they screwed up and that's the last of it.. they don't wanna replicate how Eoc went. That's why they brought osrs back
When I heard what they were doing with the subscriptions...I figured this is probably the end of OSRS. I never considered that tehres a chance I wont see Raikesy vids for rs :l
I'm a RS3 player but got this video recommended to me and I thought it was a good video so I figure I'd give my perspective as well. Jagex has a decade's worth reputation of broken promises and even though most of the controversies over on OSRS might be gameplay issues, the reverse is true over on RS3. Very few of our controversies are related to gameplay. Most of our issues break down to Jagex lying to us or going back on their word. You can bet your ass that if they're intend on monetising OSRS further, they will do it tiny bit by tiny bit. Do not believe anything they say until their actions have proven their words to be true.
Some of these changes are 100% coming to the game, limited capacity at first to get players acclimated to it, then full blown rs3 mtx, and membership price hikes.
Can say confidently that if my grandfather rights are removed on the price I wont be renewing membership, I only have it running because its £5 a month and I occasionally log in
The Ads for cheaper membership is interesting. Everything else ranged from bad to insultingly near-criminal and abhorrent. And a sneaky worst thing is, is that I play both games - RS3 and OSRS. I alternate when I come back. DO different AFK grinds on alternating games. And the basic* options said "OR", not both games. They want to put ads in my game and take one full game away from me
They got it loud and clear - with that weak ass apology. But the company who actually owns jagex has made it clear, they will r@pe us for our money. We already pay like $150/year. Chill out we don’t need $35/month. I love the game but that’s too high a price when a classic AAA full game with a few DLCs at that - is maybe $100 total, not per year.
The problem is that people have no standards. When people lack standards and expectations as to what a good product or service should be like, you get shit like this. And no, "fiduciary duties" are in fact not to blame, they're not even what's happening whenever people refer to "the company has to make money guyz!!". There's no fiduciary duty to maximize profits, that's simply false and I hate whenever that crap is brought up, especially when "maximizing profits" means shooting yourself in the foot for the long-term. It simply doesn't exist. Fiduciary duty means to properly handle the money and to be transparent on what happens with it. It is to act in the interest of the business and the shareholders, but to compromise the business and its products/services isn't included in that for obvious reasons. Jagex has long sold out and now Jagex is under a new leadership, they've been for years now. The company/ies behind Jagex will milk the company for what its worth and eventually it'll either be resold or just kind thrown away, into perma-maintenance mode or something with 90% of the staff having been fired. It happened to many other MMOs and things in general and could most definitely happen to RS. The new owners and investors care about the short-term and nothing more. They'll squeeze the company dry.
what game companies now a days don't think about is there player base; and this is one of the few games with a player base who have through out the years have protested any unfair practices and updates. so lets see if GREED can over come a detected player/fan base that spans generations of riots, lets see how empty falador stays empty
Even if they do not add it, just them floating this idea was the kick over the edge for me to not return. I've been unhappy with the direction of the game for awhile and I don't want to invest the time into it anymore.
ive always commended Jagex for actually listening to the community. this is the first time ive been disapointed in Jagex for being out of touch with the community
Imagine if fentanyl dealers started only selling dope that didn’t work? Hot take: Jagex (the good guys!?) is on the frontlines of the war on MMORPG addiction and they are there to scorch earth.
I've seen some comments confused about the "Grandfathering" membership prices being discontinued which I mentioned at 9:35, so I'd like to clear that up. I've done some more research and I'm glad to say that this is not true, the Grandfather Prices still exist for 1-6 month Subscribers, so long as you "do not lapse out for more than 14 days"
Sorry if that part of the video caused any confusion, that wasn't my intention, thanks for pointing it out.
You can find more information regarding it here: oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:New_Prices_2024
Yeah "dont lapse out for atleast 14 days" in other words if you dont relapse within 14 days your losing your fix. Lmao jagex is a bunch of clowns. I quit bcuz A while back i bought 5 bonds and it charged my bank twice so i tried for weeks to reach out to jagex and got nothing but automated responses and emails from their bot system. I finally just gave up and took the L i wasnt getting my money or other 5 bonds. Then like 2 months later i got banned for RWT like bruh. I cannot be asked wasting another second of my time or money on a game that could care less of a shot about the ones who feed them. Like you said if jagex said they can do it they could. But they arent going too unless forced by the players after backlash like this. Or its for the right price. And that is disgusting honestly. Account security should be priority and FREE especially if you pay a steep subscription every month and the game take literal thousands of hours to "max your skills". Seeing the survey was just 10 extra nails in the coffin. Im grateful gagex scammed me for 5 bonds. That $25 saved me possibly hundreds on a shotty subscription to this shotty company lol. God bless yall and goodluck on learning some skills irl
Edit: i also think jagex banned my main bcuz they know im a pvper and i have 20+ pvp builds i made myself. so they probably think im helplessly addicted to their shot and will just make a new account to do again. But hell nah i would much rather try WoW for 1st time then to even use any of my accs again. I been giving all my good friends my accounts so they have dope builds to use in my legacy lol damn near all of em max too it was such a shame fr i loved this game
ha! i just had to cancel membership on my 20 year old account. My cousin and i share a launcher. She got new phone, tried transferring her stuff to the new phone, and the microsoft auth app wont display her runescape 2fa login. We spent days attempting to contact some form of microsoft support, and didn't get anywhere. So were locked out of our shared laucher. Sadly had to cancel my membership on my account since i cant have access to it. And Jamflex offers 0 resolutions to their approved 3rd party partners for 2fa. Note for everyone, DO NOT USE MICROSOFT. 0 ways to contact an actual representative. And their online guides for help are of 0 use.
I'm so glad lmao thanks for clearing this up!
a fresh lvl 3 walking from lumbridge to varrock:
Walking to Jagex HQ to protest? Raikesy you truly are a man of the people!
What level wilderness was that?
lets just say if he got tbed he is losing everything
North of Seers Village no +1 PVP world
Wilderness? I see roads and manmade construct..@@lilfrenchgaming3207
It’s locked behind $30 membership.
The ditch for sure.
I've legit missed what's going on due to being busy... But I saw Raiksey out uncomfortably close to touching grass and I knew shit wasn't right.
They're not dumb. They're showing you what hell looks like, so sunburn doesn't feel bad later.
Great to see you still roaming around Lumbridge. Thanks for keeping yourself healthy, brother!
Farmers done a good job on those hedges up the boys 💪🏽
As someone from the U.S.A. jack and Jill is a pretty well known story here, but I had no idea it was as true story and that's where it happened, thats so cool to learn
yee in canada its like,, weird if you dont know it.. thats cool, my uncle is neighbours with al capone (or would have been if he lived there in the 1940s) he had one of his very few safehouses in canada in quadeville ontario canada... many ppl say its just speculation and stuff.. i refer them to kaufeldts general store where there is a picture of him out front of this cabin with his boys and a couple women, oh its legit.. he ran his boot legging out of the cabin my uncle lives beside its cool to take a stroll in and see how hes doin.. i swear to god its haunted by something lol
Beside the lameness that’s happening with that survey and all that jazz.. I appreciate the stroll from across the pond it’s so beautiful and green out there!
The issue with accepting the CEO at his word, is that Runescape 3 has had very similar outbursts and the same dog and pony show placated everyone until they forgot two weeks later. While I would love to think the worst is behind us, Jagex's past actions show otherwise. The victory people feel now is false, dont resubscribe too soon.
That's why I'm extending my break. I already started my break a day before the survey was leaked. CVC will see us as weak if we log in
Thanks for standing up and also speaking out about this raiksey. Often in these troubling times the loudest most influential voices cower in fear of the repercussions. I admire you for this stance and bravery
raikesy more of these genuine takes please, love hearing from raikesy the dude vs raikesy the character
These type of videos are appreciated. 👏
A Nice walk, to collect and to spit your words, from the mind.
More content like this on future discussion thx
Damn… this is early OSRS graphics!
In the apology from Mod Pips under Ads in Membership he says they will not include in-game advertisement in any REGULAR paid membership while under AFK Timers he says that they will not be reducing AFK timers for ANY paid memberships. This tells me that ads are coming, at least for F2P. Just you wait boys
This tells me yea they are bringing ads and what constitutes a regular paid membership? Buying with cash? That would mean bonded membership may be getting ads too
@@molonlabe3815 It wouldn't shock me at all. What concerns me is that if we allow this to happen, it will make it easier for them to introduce more in the future
100% they keep lying about their player count. I hate the fact they tarnish the name of “old school” like yes we needed updates but the crap coming out now a days just feels like cut rs3 stories and items (yeah what a joke when they talked early on about power creep) like now we have exactly a power creep then they nerf something and make something even stronger lol… like the inferno? Almost as easy as a fire cape using BIS now. Like the game is a mess and they always say “oh no we won’t do that” and then it “passes” a poll. Would love to actually see real poll data. Not just the rigged numbers to get their crappy content passed and when we know nobody wants it and they can’t rig it without being completely obvious, they have some BS reason to put it in the game anyway. “We need to balance the game” sounds like rs3 eoc excuse. Keep in mind how many times they have legit lied, like you could probably make a hour long video on every lie. Cya again when we go back to “old school” again if we aren’t paying $50 a month.
i wouldn't even really call the post an apology honestly they still want to bring these things into the game even talking about exploring the ads in f2p in the "apology" post. We also know at this point they want to increase prices again and use the excuse of better security and player support that we will never see.
you might be too young, but back in teh days (2000-2007) when this game was on Miniclips / browser ONLY you had an ad bar at the top all the time in f2p and even members i think. so its nothing unheard of... f2p ads should be a thing.
Ive already quit and moved to Alora rsps. Its decent.
I will 100% go to brighter shores if they try to implement any of this bs.
Also i want to say that ppl pay less for w.o.w. think about that. Wow is the biggest game in the world and they pay less than we do.
Just raising the price isn't a problem. Inflation affects everybody. But doing crazy stuff is no good.
After playing since RS classic days I deleted my character and pulled my annual renewal. Im thankful they tipped their hand because it made it so much easier walking away. I have a lot of great memories but once this PR nightmare blows over ill never think of Jagex or OSRS ever again.
In times like these the osrs community is amazing pushing back bs like this from happening
Eh...only because it was going to touch the bank account. If they really cared then this joke of a threat of sailing would not of made it this far hahahaha
‘Nothing wrong with speaking up about what you believe in, especially when it comes to the game’ iconic, relatable 😂 @6:32
Youre spot on with your take Tom. Great to see you be a positive influence to the community, even after all these years - Joie
The well at 13:36 is very cool.
Grass touching shall commence
I'm just so frustrated. I had all this trust in the game being around for awhile. My goal this year was to max, so I've been grinding a lot. Now with the trust gone, I feel like there's no point. Why learn the he box jongr sepulcher techs? Why spend hours making blood/soul runes? Why even figure out how to do hunter runours? My motivation to engage in the content is just gone. It's frustrating. I liked the game, I was willing to sink hours and money into it. But now that I can see (as I like to term it) "the beginning of the end." My overall feelings have bled to "What's the point?"
I enjoyed watching this peaceful walk through England immensely
For me, the fact that a lot of this is even on the table shows the direction Jagex is wanting to take the game. Even if they apologize and promise to "do better" and they "hear us", it's the same sorry excuse every time they do this. We've heard those exact quotes probably half a dozen times in the past couple years. They 100% plan to go through with at least some of the ideas in the survey, and that's the most concerning thing.
This is exactly it for me as well. It's hard to motivate myself to progress through these endless grinds knowing the current projection they want to take the game. It's way too much of a commitment to be left out to dry in the end.
I'm done until they fully backtrack. I understand the mods and developers may not want this, but at the end of the day the company that owns them has final say on a lot of this, if they don't feel like we will stop, it will eventually get to that point, unless they feel like the money will dry up they will gradually introduced this. EOC killed the game for me for a long time, this is doing it again.
we have been with our favourite OSRS content creators for 10+ years at this point. If runescape dies from atrophy its a sour loss but we still need to keep in touch with the creators, that lives on. I personally havent played RS in like 3 years but I still watch all the creators. That is who I was invested in in the first place!
I be missing so wreck3d, sparc mac live posts and Chris Archie
"There's only so many things that really matter" - the wise words of Raikesy
I knew you lived close to me but wasn’t sure how close! Cool to see a west country lad reppin the ends for RS
That was an awesome story about the hill. Thanks for the video and the history.
12:12 I believe those are Jersey cattle, one of the cows that produce the most milk in comparison to other breeds like Angus or Hereford. They're also on the cheaper side, for cows anyways.
Wouldn’t you think they picked a select few to get a specific response? I suppose the response they wanted was what they got they wanted to ask the people who have been around a long time maybe or maybe they tried to get everyone that they thought would agree and failed miserably
Refreshing to have a ramble video of someone out for a walk opposed to the same screenshots that people have been using :)
geowizard vibe to this video in a good way
walking in a straight line until jagex ruins their game
@Hananniee u r so cool
I think there's a larger picture to the message you're sending, Raiksey. The same bit about making a fuss and doing something to show your discontent applies to much more than just RuneScape. There's a saying I'm going to butcher, it's something like: "They came for group A, I'm not a part of it. I didn't say anything. They came for group B, I'm not a part of it, I didn't say anything. Then, they came for me and there was no one left to stand up for me."
I just don’t get how they’re hurting for cash this much. This is basically the game engine from 2005 lmao they’ve been hoarding cash for like 20 years
You just blew my mind that ive lived in this area all my life and never knew that hill existed
Awesome well! I might have to visit it one time as it’s not too far from Bristol.
Nice stroll, like it when you do these conversation style videos tbh 👍
I just started looking into the whole situation and damn jagex's ceo really went and decided to do EOC 2 electric bugaloo
Its EOM not Eoc... evolution of money.
Not his fault in my opinion. I believe Mat K when he says Pips is the only reason we don't have MTX in the game yet
That sweet, sweet Somerset countryside looks delectable
seeing you walk through this place makes me hate city life so much.
5:46 u need atleast 60 agility to pass that shortcut in that bush😂
Totally outrageous what they proposed.. totally agree with your points.
Really feel it just demonstrates their viewpoint on managing the game.
Very concerning, glad you made the video.
I cancelled my annual sub for the first time since I subbed at osrs launch. They took grandfather pricing. They raised prices three times. And now this. I am tired of the enshitification. I am tired of profits at the expense of the consumer.
you act like it made all the difference to jagex. you are only fooling yourself.
Dont act like you dont spend 30$ a week in energy drinks/junk food at the gas station.
If you cant afford a simple $12 sub a month then get a new job bud.
@@jackhofalot6705 absolutely to the left of the IQ bell curve with that comment.
@@jackhofalot6705 clearly 12$ wasn’t outside of his budget… he’s complaining about the new changes to membership and how he isn’t going to support it… what’s your problem? Seriously, players like you are aids to a community “how dare you all feel strongly about something that will rip the game apart and push old and new players away” you’re such a weird person bro fr
The playercount of recent days is at an alltime high. The math ain't mathing
@jackhofalot6705 it's the principle.
I too use gp to buy bonds for subscriptions. whats happening is the lattest company that bought Jagex paid 1 billion dollars for it. They want to make their money back within 3 years. It is obvious but the thing is they would make more money on volume than on price. A market of people who can spend 5 dollars a month is 100x larger than a market of people who can spend 50 dollars. Anyone making a game pay attention for a subscription of less than 10 dollars a month you will grow more than increasing your prices by 20 to 30 % per year. or every 6 months.
I already removed my card from auto payments, GG boys
same
same
Amazing video. All podcasts now need to be outdoors with the goats and the expensed camera.
Yeah this is bad news. I still have 260 days of membership but idk if I will renew directly after. I should be maxed before the end of this membership and this doesn’t look good
Super Cool Video, Honestly, if you worked in In person sections into your videos it would not only keep it fresh, but also allow us to see cool skits/bits keeping it fresh if you wanted lol. Good video though, super cool walk!
I think you said it best, people who have been loyal to this company for 20 years are now faced to pay full price out of greed. So sad..
My theory is that it's due to the increase in national insurance that companies have to pay for each of their employees. They have to find ways to increase money to offset the extra payment to the government.
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It's cool that you can take a long walk and basically see nobody lol
like you said, if the player base hadn’t raised their voices in-game and on Reddit, Jagex would’ve totally taken advantage of us. But now the cat’s out of the bag, and we know they’re capable of good customer support and letting us keep our old names. Hopefully, they take that into account and start offering better perks for standard memberships too!
Your irl videos are peak. You'd be a great travel content creator :)
For a private equity firm, it's not enough to just be profitable (which Jagex is). They need to be growing the share price and maximising profits. They see the peak player numbers during Leagues and see a missed opportunity. This is how unfettered free market capitalism works, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see them testing the waters with a survey like this. The good news is the RuneScape community has a history of protesting against shit decisions and boycotting the game when necessary and we've done the right thing by making it clear we will not stand for any fuckery. If they start trying to introduce some of these proposals by stealth we need to be willing to walk away.
This is just another example of the blight that is private equity on video games and the industry that makes them. Beyond Runescape, if you hate the way things are going then make a stand - stop playing games with exploitative monetisation models, stop spending money on them and save your time and money for games that don't just treat you like an ATM.
And Raikesy lad, I didn't know I needed an IRL vlog channel in which you wander the English countryside and muse on the issues of the day, but now I do.
Hey Raikesy, cool vid, i agree with alot youre saying, but im confused what you mean about the legacy price, im still on old membrers since been subbed since 2017, about £6 a month, it hasnt been removed
Where did he get this removal of loyalty program comment from? I haven't seen that posted anywhere that people are no longer grandfathered into their 5$ rates per month for longstanding subscription. Can someone help show me where and when that change was made?
This is the first time I've ever seen your face brother... I can't believe how good you are at this game. I've played RuneScape for over 20 years and don't even hold a candle to you big man
Hopefully you’re back to posting those three mega rare series I really enjoy them
Keep up the fight for osrs!
Missed chance to say "fthree hundred and firty fthree dollar per year"....
At this point, I think the only way to save Jagex is for the community to pitch in and buy out Jagex - turning it into a non-profit.
This is the only way to retain its integrity and not be subject to corporate greed.
I’m finally making the move to wow, never tried it and there’s gotta be a reason it’s #1 for 20 years
Play classic anniversary realms
Just to touch on ads, as someone who played at the start, does nobody else remember the ads that used to display above and below the client when it was all hosted on a Web page in f2p? When you subscribed they disappeared. Not sure of the nuances but whats the difference? If its something like that, then thats fine, it all depends on how intrusive they are.
Let me enlighten you, give them an inch they'll take a mile.
I remember those, but we have been without those for 15+ years, if not 20+ years. They’re bringing back crap updates out of greed. Downfall of the game.
i think this is the beginning of the end. I remember when WoW started to introduce the cash shop. It started off as very small things but its now pretty much their primary focus . If they do the same to osrs ill just have to say goodbye to 20 years of good memories. sadge
No ads are fucked, too. Unacceptable with how much this game now costs, and with how much profit it already brings in.
If you don’t take your behind back to your keyboard. You don’t know what to do outside
They've destroyed the most important thing with a community, trust. I cancelled mine immediately upon learning they were considering this bs. It's obvious from the survey that this is something they've been sitting on for a while, and it's obvious from the responses that they are absolutely still considering it. Like many I will be keeping an eye on things, but I don't have high hopes and I sincerely hope that the backlash from this shows them exactly how much of a monumental trash heap of a decision they've made xD I would have liked to see them put up a video with genuine responses instead of more cooperate damage control nonsense.
raikesy looks like he could be the new ceo, dude looks great
Some of that shit is gonna hit the game at some point sadly. Its pathetic, i was actually gonna play some osrs again, but this makes me 100% not gonna re sub again
I pray it is behind us, i hope it doesn’t have to be a huge show down and these people lessen it will kill there game the game i grew up with the game i love my entire life we will see also ive been to Portsmouth England England is very beautiful
That Easter egg of Jack and Jill was awesome. Glad I watched to the end.
But you made an interesting point about this company stopped honoring the old prices. I didn’t cancel my membership because I was hoping they would honor old subscribers. Now I k ow that’s not going to happen. Mod pip on other hand is guilty. We should stop defending the man who is pushing this crap. He knows what he did. And this stuff coming into game 100%
As a welsh man I'm outraged and ill be rioting in fally 😂😂😂
They're absolutely going to keep pushing until all of that is in the game unless something changes, like jagex being sold again.
I canceled my membership. I've got other things going on in my life that were pushing me away from it already, but I always kept my sub up in case I found the time to play, and because I wanted to support the game.
I'll resub if they post a sincere apology and lower the price. Alternatively, if someone were to buy the game and take the company private, then I'd resub. You've got to stand for something.
Surprised this drama has come round so soon.
Haven't played since September (last price rise drama) and won't consider playing again till it comes back down (yeah I'm not optimistic either).
No amount of profit will ever be enough. Players can without doubt expect these sorts of changes to slowly creep in. Just watch, give it another 6 months maybe even April time.
For people that dont have time to make money in game but enjoy what it has.. you can make a months membership in under and hour of work.. for a month. Whereas grinding for a bond every 2 weeks is a non stop grind
I've been playing for well over 15 years, and I have paid the same price, every month since then. Jagex has made thousands off of me because I love the game. I really hope that it just remains the same. That's what makes Old School RuneScape, Old School.
"Jack an Jill went up the hill, both with a buck and a quarter. Jill came down with 2.50. Ohhhhhhh" -andrew dice clay
I think they realized they screwed up and that's the last of it.. they don't wanna replicate how Eoc went. That's why they brought osrs back
love those walking boots
When I heard what they were doing with the subscriptions...I figured this is probably the end of OSRS. I never considered that tehres a chance I wont see Raikesy vids for rs :l
I'm a RS3 player but got this video recommended to me and I thought it was a good video so I figure I'd give my perspective as well. Jagex has a decade's worth reputation of broken promises and even though most of the controversies over on OSRS might be gameplay issues, the reverse is true over on RS3. Very few of our controversies are related to gameplay. Most of our issues break down to Jagex lying to us or going back on their word. You can bet your ass that if they're intend on monetising OSRS further, they will do it tiny bit by tiny bit. Do not believe anything they say until their actions have proven their words to be true.
they messed up so bad we started going outside
Some of these changes are 100% coming to the game, limited capacity at first to get players acclimated to it, then full blown rs3 mtx, and membership price hikes.
Wow, this new OSRS update looks so realistic. I guess this justifies the $30/month.
Can say confidently that if my grandfather rights are removed on the price I wont be renewing membership, I only have it running because its £5 a month and I occasionally log in
How do you drive 2 cars on the road
The Ads for cheaper membership is interesting. Everything else ranged from bad to insultingly near-criminal and abhorrent. And a sneaky worst thing is, is that I play both games - RS3 and OSRS. I alternate when I come back. DO different AFK grinds on alternating games. And the basic* options said "OR", not both games. They want to put ads in my game and take one full game away from me
Video made me just wanna go to the mother land, didn’t even realize it was about osrs
i was grandfather in at $5 , no longer will give them my money. now im waiting for them to ruin the other game i love as much as runescape, SCUM
I played for years and years. Clicking a rock for 300+ hours is an asinine way to live life.
They got it loud and clear - with that weak ass apology. But the company who actually owns jagex has made it clear, they will r@pe us for our money. We already pay like $150/year. Chill out we don’t need $35/month. I love the game but that’s too high a price when a classic AAA full game with a few DLCs at that - is maybe $100 total, not per year.
The problem is that people have no standards. When people lack standards and expectations as to what a good product or service should be like, you get shit like this. And no, "fiduciary duties" are in fact not to blame, they're not even what's happening whenever people refer to "the company has to make money guyz!!". There's no fiduciary duty to maximize profits, that's simply false and I hate whenever that crap is brought up, especially when "maximizing profits" means shooting yourself in the foot for the long-term. It simply doesn't exist. Fiduciary duty means to properly handle the money and to be transparent on what happens with it. It is to act in the interest of the business and the shareholders, but to compromise the business and its products/services isn't included in that for obvious reasons.
Jagex has long sold out and now Jagex is under a new leadership, they've been for years now. The company/ies behind Jagex will milk the company for what its worth and eventually it'll either be resold or just kind thrown away, into perma-maintenance mode or something with 90% of the staff having been fired. It happened to many other MMOs and things in general and could most definitely happen to RS. The new owners and investors care about the short-term and nothing more. They'll squeeze the company dry.
Outstanding.
what game companies now a days don't think about is there player base; and this is one of the few games with a player base who have through out the years have protested any unfair practices and updates. so lets see if GREED can over come a detected player/fan base that spans generations of riots, lets see how empty falador stays empty
Even if they do not add it, just them floating this idea was the kick over the edge for me to not return. I've been unhappy with the direction of the game for awhile and I don't want to invest the time into it anymore.
ive always commended Jagex for actually listening to the community. this is the first time ive been disapointed in Jagex for being out of touch with the community
More raikesy wilderness vlogs plz n ty
Enhanced Customer Support - 0 * 2 is still 0
Imagine if fentanyl dealers started only selling dope that didn’t work?
Hot take: Jagex (the good guys!?) is on the frontlines of the war on MMORPG addiction and they are there to scorch earth.