John Cage "Water walk"
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- John Cage performing "Water Walk" in January, 1960 on the popular TV show I've Got A Secret.
"At the time, Cage was teaching Experimental Composition at New York City's New School. Eight years beyond 4:33, he was (as our smoking MC informs us) the most controversial figure in the musical world at that time. His first performance on national television was originally scored to include five radios, but a union dispute on the CBS set prevented any of the radios from being plugged in to the wall. Cage gleefully smacks and tosses the radios instead of turning them on and off.
While treating Cage as something of a freak, the show also treats him fairly reverentially, cancelling the regular game show format to allow Cage the chance to perform his entire piece. " - เพลง
This is me walking around my house with 15 tasks to do, getting distracted halfway through each one
I think that's the art of the piece
My thought too. This is how an adhd person (me) does housework. 😅
@@recordhead9619 damn so I made a masterpiece by getting distracted? Lol
@@agnesagni same. Was just about to mention ADHD lol
Which is EXACTLY what I was doing this morning - how serendipitous!
The audience doesn't realise that they too are being played, that they are one of the instruments. Their reaction and laughter is part of the composition. (As people have already noted below.)
Cage:
"I'm not locked in here with you!
You're locked in here with me!"
Bit pretentious mate
@@georgegreenland7573 You British? Cause Brits seem to have that weird thing going on where it's frowned upon to try and sound intellectual
@@MatmoeLP I’m all for people sounding (and being) intelligent, I’m not too keen on people pushing objects off of tables and calling it art and getting publicity for it
@@georgegreenland7573 I get that but if we didn't have people like John Cage, Stockhausen, Boulez or Schönberg the whole prog rock scene of the 70s (Zappa, Jethro Tull, Mike Oldfield, King Crimson, Rush, Kansas, Peter Gabriel's Genesis) would pretty much not have been what they are.
I sometimes feel like John Cage did all this stuff for his own amusement to see how far he can go with still getting praise tho.
“millennial humour is so weird and nonsensical, back in my day jokes were well constructed and delivered”
what people were laughing at in 1960:
The presentation was fine in this one
Salve galera! É o biel
@@radominternetuser4161 salve kkkk
Iae Man.
They had great taste
My music teacher told me when he was in college in the 70s at Texas tech John Cage gave a performance and the bread teacher was so offended he grabbed his trumpet and interrupted the performance blasting "anything you can do I can do better" and John Cage's reaction was to start clapping and shouting bravo to the professor
Thank you for that fantastic anecdote! I felt like I experienced it first hand as I read it.
There were bread teachers in the 70s? Different times...
Band teacher
maybe he wasn't offended but he understood his motives.
chad
WE WALKIN IT OUT THE WATER WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
10th July
the first asmr video
Schnitzelwirt lol
LOL
Very very nice my friend. 👌
Legit HAHAHA
Lmao.
Instead of getting angry because of the people laughing, I just take it as an element of Cages piece.
ill try
He surely recognized the absurdity of what he was doing and knew that it would get laughs from the crowd.
He was a genius. This whacky performance is hysterically funny 😄 and brilliant.
That's a good point! Because his theory says that everything is music.
That's kind of how I took it too. It is kind of funny. When he starts pushing shit off the table as part of the piece, it's kind of funny. I appreciate the fact that composers had the freedom to do new and interesting things that many wouldn't consider traditional music and I find it interesting. I don't know if I'd put this on in my car and jam out to it but it's interesting.
Me trying to act natural when my crush is around
Hahahahaha
I read that as he was pushing everything off his desk lol
Hahah
🤣🤣
XD
I like how they were self aware enough to say "if you feel the urge to laugh, go ahead". It gives the random madness a better context. Also good to hear the audience clapping at the end. The respect everyone had for each other allowed more perspective on what could have been just silly randomness.
the laughter is part of the composition for him, i like he just slams the piano to make it sound
yeah just realised, maybe the audience was supposed to laugh in first place
You don't get it. The laughter is not really part of it. They're just laughing at the idiocy of the whole thing.
@@JPVanderbuilt Cage says otherwise.
@RRG U pretending that I'm mad is the idiotic. I'm simply pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. Does that bother you?
@@JPVanderbuilt What he is doing is beyond pretentious in my opinion. He's gone so far down the rabbit hole that any virtuosity he once had is now a joke. He's basically intentionally doing what a non musician could unintentionally do which defeats the purpose of it all.
John Cage:
People: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Best comment ever composed.
Stonks
John Cage: drincc beer
People: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH thats funny bcus he drincc beer on the cup HAHAHAHA
Poetic
I mean yeah y r they laughing
Gotta love the experimental artists. A lot of work for barely any recognition and yet they offer something different and something new. And with all of those efforts occasionally something enduring and worthwhile comes out of it.
This is exactly the opposite. There are generally two categories for people who "perform" in this "art form." The privileged but stupid wanna-be intellectual that basically does a form of gaslighting on themselves, pretending there is something significant here when there isn't, and the fraudster who knows it's crap but pushes the delusion into the commons.
You know this is the exact same dude who made a piece of music that is 4:33 of nothing and one that takes 639 years to perform. I honestly have a hard time believing that he takes that seriously himself
@@urusledge Bro you ever watched a horror movie? You ever hear a noise in a film that comes from something other than an orchestral instrument? That kind of sound design wouldn't exist without the work of these early avant-garde composers.
@Andrei Salvaleon And may you elaborate?
@Andrei Salvaleon Just say you don't like modern art. It's not that hard.
I'm surprised by how many John Cage fans seem to have forgotten that he had a great sense of humor.
The audience laughing adds a lot to this piece.
If only they knew that he is the grandfather of sound sampling and innovator of sound effects. The man took risks but aside from all the cynicism and ridicule, he gave ideas in finding "other" sounds in everyday objects we take for granted.
Not hardly. Any instrument was designed to produce the same effect. The only difference here is the result is simply pedestrian jibberish. Ever heard of a glass harp? A violin? A piano. Any instrument performs the same task as here, but combined with a composer and creativity, actual music gets produced. I'm not denying this can't be defined as music, but it looks more like opportunism and marketing to me. A mosquito hum can be considered music as well. Also a fart. I give this performance 5 farts
@@verga8550 Ahh, the more things change, the more they [evidently] stay the same.
@@verga8550 Faust sample a fart on 1973's "The Sad Skinhead"
@@kelechi_77 I'll look into that. Thanks
@@verga8550 It'ss an amazing song, yeah you'rre right anything can be considered music the 20th century really pushed that idea to it's limit
Lyrics:
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Weird sound*
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Blender sound*
*Piano sound*
*Rubber duck sound*
*Impact sound*
*Impact sound*
*Falling sound*
*Drinking sound*
*E*
these force you to appreciate the sounds naturally produced in everyday life.
Key word is 'force'.
yes, exactly, that's the point.
Alternatively you could just go about your day and experience it
This is sampling in its purest form. What a great performance..
The objects he used were things people use in their everyday lives- I think this is a reflection of how chaotic our lives, and even our minds can get, when we're handling too many things at once. Most of the sounds were abrupt and reflect a darker tone, and so I think this enhances the negative effects of too much noise on our lives.
you're looking too in depth to this. it doesn't mean anything
I had to write this for a music class bro dont @ me 😭
@@caladam6735 It has meaning if you find it
@@caladam6735 And what if you are the one who doesn't?
He said that he doesnt want sounds to talk to him. This has no meaning. (He said so himself)
*Who's here because they need it for their module?*
me hahahaha
Ano answer sa number 1?
ano pong sagot? HAHAHAHA
me😀
Watashi
this is pure comedic gold, but a huge game changer in the music industry. idk how you can't love it
While there is plenty of seriousness to the experiments and concepts of John Cage, he was creating this at the same time as Victor Borge was making classic piano comedy, so I do think Cage had some inspiration of his time that added to his performance style.
Similar sentiments by queers when referring to people being constipated for two weeks.
Shoddy performance. The flowers were slightly out of tune.
The toaster was pretty impressive tho
could they at least get someone who actually knew what they were doing to perform this? disgraceful.
Too much laughter and not enough coughing!
That was about the most Groucho Marx thing I’ve read in the current time! 👏 👏 👏
they are microtonal flowers
John Cage might’ve been the greatest troll in music history.
As a composer, and a great fa of his works, couldnt agree more. But there is a challenger: Haydn. So much so, that the german teached to Beethoven that Trombones could be put in a symphony, and his apprentice did.
He isnt a troll. He just likes sounds.
I had the honour of meeting John Cage at Darmstadt. He was a brilliant thinker and creative artist, pure genius. He had figured out how to cure his rheumatoid arthritis very easily with a specialized macrobiotic diet and avoidance of nightshade foods in the 1970s, he told me all about it. (Take that you medical people could also learn from Cage, plus he was a fascinating mushroom expert.) Completely brilliant composer, a world great, inspirational gifts and talent. Learn from Cage, and examine indeterminacy, it is a very powerful compositional tool celebrating freedom. How lucky we are to have had great thinkers and inventors in music like Cage.
I, too, had the huge honour of working with him briefly in Cologne. A magnificent mind, lovely man and exceptional composer.
@@tobyrobinson3365 absolutely, he was incredible in Germany was he not? He was such a brilliant mind. A great inventor like his father.
I actually find this relaxing and interesting somehow.
Jamz Whilmm its like field recording of 'nature' + man activity
so do millions of others lol
It's kinda creepy without the video
i love how the judging and laughig of the audience is part of the composition..
hes a genius in disguise
One of the very essences of Cage's work is that nobody truly has the reverence or position to define music and sound, and to differentiate the two. Cage experimented with sounds that had never been traditionally used in music composition and opened it out to it's performative equivalents. He wrote more traditional compositions with pianos and small orchestras, but he worked with them as tools rather than instruments and very much revelled in modernist ideas of sound.
In this he's essentially asking us as well as the audience of the game show to listen to the sound and to consider the possibility that what we are hearing could be music and you'd be surprised how much this kind of thing is now used in modern techniques. He famously said that there is no such thing as silence, and sound is like actors; minds of it's own and charisma.
Intellectual yes and something non conformist or traditional, but has immense importance in the sound world.
Laurie Hill very well said... It's a shame people don't relise this and they call it "Rubbish" this is a great conceptual piece.
Yes, eletronic music use these ideia that every sound can be music. I think they main problem with "water walk" is the lack of any rythm. Autechre for example have very chaotic and strange sound but make sense after you get use to it. "Chance music" is just like hear the noise of your house. It is an intellectual thing but completely forgetful for our mind.
thank you
David Lynch and Hanz Zimmer seem to have taken much of this to heart.
Music is easily definable. If you understand it as an art form and a science. Harnessing vibrations into perceivable pitches that have definable characteristics (major or minor) what John cage does is expand on what could be music. Not consider it undefinable. Music is. John cage is what it can be.
The audience is laughing exactly when they are supposed to be laughing. So brilliant
This man is a true artist, I'm bringing him to my space colony...
Never seen anything like this before. Like a musical version of abstract art.
Me trying to pretend I’m busy
1. COMPOSED BY RANDOM PITCHES AND RHYTHM
2. TUPPERWARE, DRUMS, MICROPHONE, WATERJAG, SPOON AND FORK.
Just my answer, kayo na bahala haha.
Thanks po❣
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Thank you very much
Thank you
Luhhh.. 😅😂😂
John Cage definitely had a wonderful sense of humour, which shows in his work.
Why did I feel like I'm gonna be r/wooshed?
When I am making myself a sandwich I didn´t know I was performing music
Ecléctico Iconoclasta surprising isn’t it?
"Everything we do is music"
~John Cage
You are, king
@@nikkarther4632 Yeah every single sound vibration is music
All sounds are music. What makes music different from a sound is how we interpret it. It's all sound waves at the end of the day.
You can feel a lot of action and like something is happening and taking place, while the performance is not entirely musical, it feels interesting and like it's a statement in life that we shouldn't take our daily tasks too seriously..
I believe that we have a life call and mission that we need to do, and this piece adds to it the notion that we need to feel like we're playing while on our way there.
Cage was not really all that interested in "music," but was entirely devoted to "sound."
"Water Walk" inspired me to arrange my public safety scanners around my apartment. The closer the first responders are to my immediate neighborhood, the closer my scanner is to my ears. Ambient noise is music to my ears.
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1. BOTH NATURAL AND MAN-MADE SOUND
2. MICROPHONE
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John Cage had more strange ideas than a crystal meth addict on LSD and angel dust.
Not that there's any problem with what he did --- he was utterly brilliant in his weirdness.
He is like the Picasso of Music.
The audience is just like bunch of random laugh tracks in a Sitcom show, where nothing is really funny
😂 exactly what I was thinking
Avant garde stuff is funny though
i have to say watering the flower in bathtub is quite funny prank
I think you missed the point. People laugh at funny stuff. They also laugh at pretentiousness & idiocy.
@@JPVanderbuilt 0:36 If you are amused, you may laugh
The slow zoom in on his face when he drinks coffee is comedic gold
I have never seen or ear any John Cage recording before, but even so, because some people have told me about him, he is a big inspitation to me and to my work of exploring what is possible to do with sound of things.
This is a briant peace!
Thank you 'Nave' for charing this video.
John Cage was challenging the concept of what can be prepared music in 1960... So amazing..
It's "music" for the avant-gullible
@@JPVanderbuilt Thank you!
Para sa mga module niyo. Mabait kac ako. Grade 10.
Characteristics of chance music that can be deduced from the vedio:
Man-made and doesn't include musical instruments.
Other objects than can be use to create sounds:
-Kitchen materials/tools
-Table
-Door
Module lang kapatid...
Salamat kapatid pero pinapagawa kami ng ganito eh 😭
Pagpalain kapa ng diyos
This is an absolute masterpiece
Thanks, this one sounds so much better than the other uploads of this.
And most of the POP music
AGREED!!
Is it just me or does this sound satisfying to listen to
You gotta understand, the audience are not the typical people that you would find listening to avant garde or noise. These are your mainstream listeners who probably haven’t been exposed to experimental art like this, so I should seem silly to them. Nothing wrong with that tho. I think it adds to this performance
Probably, he intended for it. As he did the same thing with 4'33"
Ícaro De Carvalho no doubt
Changing the concept of music while being acessible to the general public, John Cage is a fucking genius!
"Music and laughter don't have to mean anything" John Cage
Actually, that's a quote by Immanuel Kant. Cage used to iterate it.
It seems the laughter is natural part of the piece that the audience didn't realize they also being orchestrated to act like.
@@NovicebutPassionate Imagine had Cage never given Kant any credit... Makes you think, doesn't it?
It's cool because an open interpretation of his music by the listener means that he himself must be open-minded to the reaction of his music, which judging by this video, he is.
“I only listen to real music.”
... Perfection.
Water walk and 4' 33''
This is what happens when you force a physics major to perform music
@@MaxRamos8 I see no difference? They are all torus.
I think with media like TH-cam, audience comments here added the temporal dimension that Cage couldn't even imagine. Bravo!!
One of the influences to Ross Geller music
Luciano Ramos I knew I heard it somewhere earlier... now I know where!! 😂😂
My favorite part is the glissando followed by the bird call.
Teacher: what Instrument do you play
John cage: I can explain
Anyone complaining about the audience laughing is failing to understand the inherent humor in John Cage’s work.
john cage: does something
crowd: W H E E Z E
This is beautiful
We are all music..walking vibrations.
Gonna perform this next year. Wish me luck!
this is me walking around my house at 2am trying to make some snack
Comedy was so simple then, the people laughed at the smallest things
Do you see what is concerned funny on TH-cam ? Not much has changed.
th-cam.com/video/Un6Y5E4TOv4/w-d-xo.html
Our Humor changes alot, this is their Comedy before. It is really annoying that they just laugh at him making sounds.
I think they find it funny cause they thought to listen some music, they presented it as music... They thought it was a joke.... A comedy...
Well the host clearly prefaced that the artist takes it seriously but that the audience may laugh should they feel compelled to do so. Ideally, just as there are no actual rules as to what defines music, so there are no rules on how music should be consumed. One person may find the piece humorous while another may find him/herself in deep thought. Simply whatever.
His work is super interesting and I’ll just think the audience laughing is apart makes it even better because they way he thinks is awesome.
Good music This music make me relax I hear this when I am sleeping
Wow, i believe this is gonna be a hit.
Every Foley artist: Ahh. So THAT’S how it’s done. 😆
Es magnífico el trabajo de John Cage, Tom Waits y tantos que descubrieron un mundo de posibilidades sonoras
you can laugh or hate, but he is genius. imagine 1960 and you doing this
so specific, weird, out of the box. glad a lot ppl see his game.
I really enjoyed this work.
Recently got into Yoko Ono and find out John Cage is her mentor, damn I'm in for a treat
Screeching for a living shows how affluent civilization has become and why it's deteriorating
Yep she met John Cage before The Beatles were even popular I think. Of course Paul and John became inspired by his work later on in their careers
i feel like this guy has been playing piano since he was a toddler and im watching his burnout
Jesus Christ if you close your eyes it an entirely different universe of a piece
cymbal to the water gag gets me every time
this is what multitasking sounds like
Me trying to coding while playing RTS and listening to hard musical passages be like:
The greatest song ever.
Marvelous, just marvelous!!
This was the first “never let them know your next move” ever
oh the 2000+ ppl who don't even know john cage coming here saying all kinds of shit :)))) genius is what this is
I find it so fascinating that he also uses his audience as part of this event. He needs the reaction out of them but the audience doesn't realize.
That's exactly what "4'33" is.
I find this one really cool--Like, of course he enjoys performing here. But what is so cool is if one puts on headphones and also closes one's eyes, only hearing the sounds, it can sound like what might be heard walking around a busy docking area, with lots of loading/unloading boats, mechanized processes, work commotion; the clanging and thuds, splashing sounds and wildlife such as gulls and whatnot. It is beautiful!
it´s completely in the groove - well done!
I learned about him in my college music appreciation course and his music seems more like a science experiment than music to me
Same, like I can't comprehend how this is "art" or music, same with the piece 4'33? How can that be a composition when it's just silence? I could like do that myself and say oh yeah I created a piece lol I feel its like a joke for actual composers
Experimental Music
@@franciscalopez6403 This "music" is actually interesting, well the fact that daily sounds can be thought as music. I don't think experimental artist deserve a name as serious musicians. But out of all the experiments they perform, there is some value in trying to "understand" it.
@@franciscalopez6403 the way I've always understood 4"33 is not the absence of sound, but the absence of musical performance. The idea that we should stop and take a listen to the sounds of our surroundings, because there is still beauty and musical elements to be found in them
@@franciscalopez6403 The music from 4'33 came from your sorroundings that you're forced to listen to since there is "no music" in the track 😉
I like the MC's introduction.
One of the greatest examples of avant garde
This is that real music man... This is that real music...
a true master of comedy
Me in the morning with my adhd
anything is your instrument. your heart will tell you what feels right. just put it into the world and you will be greatly rewarded, in ways you may not understand yet
This feels so eerie
Grade 10 Music Module
Who's with me?
What characteristics of chance music can be deduced from the video clip
@@leanjadesena2531 they used different objects to produce different kinds of sounds
Thank you
John Cage: drincc beer
People: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH thats funny bcus he drincc beer on the cup HAHAHAHA
That’s seltzer water.
Water and ocean. Inspiring and helpful.
Have you guys seen the extended version where he relieves himself in the bathtub?
Top notch.
Art is weird I love it
brilliant!
Johannus Vogel 😂😂😂
Life is music. You're welcome.
I like this. Dinner will be served right after the concert
I'm here because of our modules. Music 10, anyone? 😆😆😆
pakopya nga
charot HAHAHAHAHAHA
Pakopyaa
fucking genius
that is our lesson in mapeh subject.thanks for apploading..
Pinoy?
How can one appreciate the sequence of sounds when people don't take it seriously and keep on laughing, and Cage himself seems to indulge them?
I cried, I laughed, I forgot where I was.
you are normal sry
I wish the other idiots would shut up too
@@dfsfdsfsdfsdfsadsdfsfdsdsf3587 That's called "being snobbish", my dear.