I think if a person with authority who is supposed to be guiding you spiritually is dictating your sins based on your genitalia, their motivations probably aren’t honest.
Bragging about being involved in deliverance is like bragging about interrupting a rape. It would be better if the violation had never happened. Using someone else's trauma to boost your own ego is a prime example of "lack of empathy," a defining trait of narcissism.
Yet, most people who played that hero's role of stopping would-be perpetrators from committing rape would, in fact, be proud of their involvement in stopping such a heinous crime. So, while I think the overall point about MD's narcissism is correct, the way this is phrased doesn't really drive the point home.
So everyone who brags is a narcissistic type ? No , thats horrible psychology and it doesn't show a lack of empathy. Ego boosting is fine if it doesn't harm others.
When Driscoll says that he sees visions, he's lying. Driscoll probably started with some genuine experience of salvation and a genuine desire to help people, but he is clearly just lying here. How does that feel to him? Does he think honesty to himself "I don't believe in God, but I'm going to lie to develop my public image and authority by lying". Maybe such thoughts are dismissed, repressed, or rationalized on a daily basis in the mind of someone like Mark.
Some people get a small high from succeeding at lying. It's a psychological phenomenon called Duper's Delight. It isn't just what they gain but also the fact that they know they can control "stupid" people and climb the ladder easily. Maybe that's Mark, maybe not, but lying doesn't always lead to guilt for some.
That lady in the closet story sounds like a total tall tale. I love the fact that she was diagnosed with basically every terrible mental illness. Sure, dude.
Regarding MD’s vision of the woman’s sin with a blond stranger, I do think it’s possible for some people to read certain traumas and regrets in another’s demeanor and behavior, indications of shame and pain, but in a way that’s entirely natural, not supernatural. And the specific sources of these regrets are so much more similar among people than we tend to think - being abused as a child, a lone act of adultery by a Christian spouse, teen promiscuity despite a religious upbringing, etc. They aren’t that hard to guess, because we aren’t nearly as unique as we think we are. Put that together with her husband being tall and blond, and the likelihood that most such trysts start at a bar and end at a motel, and you’re 80% there. The question with this sort of empatheticly assisted cold reading is, what’s the accuracy rate ? How many visions did MD have that were wrong or way off ? Anybody can get lucky with the details in 1 out of 10 tries, and the other 9 are forgotten since nothing came of them, and they aren’t remarkable. In the field of Statistics, this is a form of Survivorship Bias, which skews our estimation of how miraculous these abilities really are. This kind of rational demythologizing is all too rare in the evangelical subculture, I’ve found. Christians, who’ve had to give up the titillation of secular sexualized culture, tend to substitute the titillation of the miraculous, including the “anointed” Man of God, in its place.
Cold reading is a thing, but I think it more likely that he's just lying. Like when a comedian frames a joke as a story about something that happened to him -- it didn't happen, it's a thing said for convenience. The difference is that MD is lying but everyone understands that artifice as a comedic technique.
@@js1817lying, but the essence is Mark likes to talk, and loves to tell stories, especially those that include him. Lying just makes a story more astonishing, as per the intro: we have a desire to be astonished.
These deliverance ministries are on the rise yet again. Im hearing this series for the first time, and I believe this Mark Driscoll is still leading a church somewhere? Dear believers, read your bibles. Get educated on the history of the founding of the Healing Ministries. READ YOUR BIBLES.
I think all our answers related to Angelology, Demonology, and all manner of Spiritual things should be Christ at the Center. Just because Jesus did something prior to His atonement at the Cross doesn't mean that is how things are done today in light of Him conquering Sin, Death and the Grave. In His atonement He literally has rendered satanic powers mute. Man's sins are the primary fault of our struggles. The devil made me do it, is no longer valid.
You're clearly cherry-picking. Jesus conquered all those things, but we still sin? We still sin, but demons don't oppress? Do you not see how dishonest that is?
25:06. This is where CT consistently shows its bias towards popular culture. Addressing sin in men and calling them onto the carpet for their behaviors is simple, easy, cut-and-dry, and, as is said: "black and white [...] stuff that's pretty hard to argue with." Indeed. I agree. However, when it comes to women, it's nuanced, tricky, and delicate. We shouldn't be calling women out, in general. That's oppressive, offensive, burdensome, and exposes them to the patriarchy. We saw this a lot in the "What We Do To Women" episode. Make no mistake about it, MD is profane, abusive, and over-the-top in his delivery on all of these topics. But CT continually wants to treat these things as having separate rules -- it looks very, very secular. With men, it's merely the style, delivery, and rigor of MD that is wrong. With women, those same things are wrong, but it's also the very nature of the behaviors called out that are out of bounds ... can't call out those behaviors because it makes women feel bad. Sheesh. 14:02. Perfect example. This gal was sexually promiscuous as a younger person and was offended that people would make callous, off-handed remarks about the absurdity of such a lifestyle. It's stupid to live a life of crime. It's stupid to consume pornography. It's stupid to lie. It's stupid to be sexually promiscuous. I have indulged in some of those things and they are stupid. If I'm too delicate to have people call a spade a spade, then I probably haven't actually repented. At the very least, I need to understand that any soft spots I have are my issue and I don't get to visit my insecurities onto other people in a way that demands them tiptoe around me like a delicate flower. I'll close by repeating that I'm not defending MD in any form whatsoever. I just keep hearing this narrative that critiquing men is OK, when done properly, but critiquing women is not, because it's just too nuanced and requires so much discernment and can be too damaging. Give me a break. Keep dissecting MD and his demise, but you've got to put down this post-modern feminist dogma. It poisoned this series in too many spots.
When a woman accuses you of shaming, it's because she is ashamed and has no response except to shame you back. It is quintessential feminine aggression.
When a woman accuses you of shaming it might be because you shamed her without justification and thereby did something wrong. Quintessential human wrongdoing.
The narrator consistently pronounces the word folks with an L. As a Canadian I find this a bit strange. Does anyone know whether this is idiosyncratic or a regionalism?
I think if a person with authority who is supposed to be guiding you spiritually is dictating your sins based on your genitalia, their motivations probably aren’t honest.
If demons find their Church Building so inviting just maybe the Church isn't there.
Bragging about being involved in deliverance is like bragging about interrupting a rape. It would be better if the violation had never happened. Using someone else's trauma to boost your own ego is a prime example of "lack of empathy," a defining trait of narcissism.
So you believe in literal demon posession?
@@js1817I do, and that was one of the many ministries of Jesus and his apostles. It's real
Yet, most people who played that hero's role of stopping would-be perpetrators from committing rape would, in fact, be proud of their involvement in stopping such a heinous crime. So, while I think the overall point about MD's narcissism is correct, the way this is phrased doesn't really drive the point home.
So everyone who brags is a narcissistic type ? No , thats horrible psychology and it doesn't show a lack of empathy.
Ego boosting is fine if it doesn't harm others.
Now putting someone down to boost your ego is narcissistic.
Boosting your ego in general is normal fr humans.
This is my favorite episode besides The Things We Do To Women.
you can see the hostility toward Mark building as each episode unwinds.
I think hostility is almost completely appropriate for a wolf in sheep's clothing and a leopard who hasn't changed his spots.
@@ferventheat Very well said!
@Tony
Are you a Driscoll fanboy?
You must be suffering from a persecution complex
Which, even if true, doesn't refute anything that was said. Please proceed.
When Driscoll says that he sees visions, he's lying. Driscoll probably started with some genuine experience of salvation and a genuine desire to help people, but he is clearly just lying here. How does that feel to him? Does he think honesty to himself "I don't believe in God, but I'm going to lie to develop my public image and authority by lying". Maybe such thoughts are dismissed, repressed, or rationalized on a daily basis in the mind of someone like Mark.
Some people get a small high from succeeding at lying. It's a psychological phenomenon called Duper's Delight. It isn't just what they gain but also the fact that they know they can control "stupid" people and climb the ladder easily. Maybe that's Mark, maybe not, but lying doesn't always lead to guilt for some.
@@Window4503 That's interesting. The psychology of evil is very interesting. There are many types of temptations that I don't understand.
@@js1817try 'people of the lie ' by m Scot peck. 😢
We want to believe... So true.
God put that impulse in us.
The Enemy takes advantage of this and many people are deceived.
Dude this stuff is interesting but enough to have an add EVERY 3 MINUTES!?
That lady in the closet story sounds like a total tall tale. I love the fact that she was diagnosed with basically every terrible mental illness. Sure, dude.
Regarding MD’s vision of the woman’s sin with a blond stranger, I do think it’s possible for some people to read certain traumas and regrets in another’s demeanor and behavior, indications of shame and pain, but in a way that’s entirely natural, not supernatural.
And the specific sources of these regrets are so much more similar among people than we tend to think - being abused as a child, a lone act of adultery by a Christian spouse, teen promiscuity despite a religious upbringing, etc. They aren’t that hard to guess, because we aren’t nearly as unique as we think we are.
Put that together with her husband being tall and blond, and the likelihood that most such trysts start at a bar and end at a motel, and you’re 80% there.
The question with this sort of empatheticly assisted cold reading is, what’s the accuracy rate ? How many visions did MD have that were wrong or way off ? Anybody can get lucky with the details in 1 out of 10 tries, and the other 9 are forgotten since nothing came of them, and they aren’t remarkable.
In the field of Statistics, this is a form of Survivorship Bias, which skews our estimation of how miraculous these abilities really are.
This kind of rational demythologizing is all too rare in the evangelical subculture, I’ve found. Christians, who’ve had to give up the titillation of secular sexualized culture, tend to substitute the titillation of the miraculous, including the “anointed” Man of God, in its place.
Cold reading is a thing, but I think it more likely that he's just lying. Like when a comedian frames a joke as a story about something that happened to him -- it didn't happen, it's a thing said for convenience. The difference is that MD is lying but everyone understands that artifice as a comedic technique.
@@js1817lying, but the essence is Mark likes to talk, and loves to tell stories, especially those that include him. Lying just makes a story more astonishing, as per the intro: we have a desire to be astonished.
Driscoll isa demon!
These deliverance ministries are on the rise yet again. Im hearing this series for the first time, and I believe this Mark Driscoll is still leading a church somewhere? Dear believers, read your bibles. Get educated on the history of the founding of the Healing Ministries. READ YOUR BIBLES.
Do you have episodes about Life Church?
This is such an obvious fraud. "I see things". Why did no one reject this?
I think all our answers related to Angelology, Demonology, and all manner of Spiritual things should be Christ at the Center. Just because Jesus did something prior to His atonement at the Cross doesn't mean that is how things are done today in light of Him conquering Sin, Death and the Grave. In His atonement He literally has rendered satanic powers mute. Man's sins are the primary fault of our struggles. The devil made me do it, is no longer valid.
You're clearly cherry-picking. Jesus conquered all those things, but we still sin? We still sin, but demons don't oppress? Do you not see how dishonest that is?
❤️
The majority of your elders, all MEN, were deceived by you MD!
25:06. This is where CT consistently shows its bias towards popular culture. Addressing sin in men and calling them onto the carpet for their behaviors is simple, easy, cut-and-dry, and, as is said: "black and white [...] stuff that's pretty hard to argue with." Indeed. I agree.
However, when it comes to women, it's nuanced, tricky, and delicate. We shouldn't be calling women out, in general. That's oppressive, offensive, burdensome, and exposes them to the patriarchy. We saw this a lot in the "What We Do To Women" episode.
Make no mistake about it, MD is profane, abusive, and over-the-top in his delivery on all of these topics. But CT continually wants to treat these things as having separate rules -- it looks very, very secular. With men, it's merely the style, delivery, and rigor of MD that is wrong. With women, those same things are wrong, but it's also the very nature of the behaviors called out that are out of bounds ... can't call out those behaviors because it makes women feel bad. Sheesh.
14:02. Perfect example. This gal was sexually promiscuous as a younger person and was offended that people would make callous, off-handed remarks about the absurdity of such a lifestyle. It's stupid to live a life of crime. It's stupid to consume pornography. It's stupid to lie. It's stupid to be sexually promiscuous. I have indulged in some of those things and they are stupid. If I'm too delicate to have people call a spade a spade, then I probably haven't actually repented. At the very least, I need to understand that any soft spots I have are my issue and I don't get to visit my insecurities onto other people in a way that demands them tiptoe around me like a delicate flower.
I'll close by repeating that I'm not defending MD in any form whatsoever. I just keep hearing this narrative that critiquing men is OK, when done properly, but critiquing women is not, because it's just too nuanced and requires so much discernment and can be too damaging. Give me a break. Keep dissecting MD and his demise, but you've got to put down this post-modern feminist dogma. It poisoned this series in too many spots.
When a woman accuses you of shaming, it's because she is ashamed and has no response except to shame you back. It is quintessential feminine aggression.
When a woman accuses you of shaming it might be because you shamed her without justification and thereby did something wrong. Quintessential human wrongdoing.
@@js1817Thank you. Yours was an excellent response.
The narrator consistently pronounces the word folks with an L. As a Canadian I find this a bit strange.
Does anyone know whether this is idiosyncratic or a regionalism?
Sounds the way Germans pronounce the word. That’s all. An accent.