Breakthrough Listen: Inside the Multimillion Dollar Hunt for Alien Signals
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That 'html nonsense from the past' is still being used today. Some are too ... to learn anything.
The Drake equation should really be a probability function of time equation because there are probabilities associated with most of the parameters and the inevitable Extinction given enough time with many Astro physics Extinction phenomena possible to characterize as a function of time
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I disagree Simon finding out we are not alone is very important and a stunning breakthrough and yes it would have a spotlight in our news cycle for a while.
But just like rocket launches of the past that were mainstream news and covered by every news outlet they have faded from our public consciousness.
Elon Musk’s reusable rockets were astonishing but now they are passing news.
The first few weeks or months of news of the new intelligence in our galaxy would be huge news, then someone would start a Tic Toc trend of peeling potatoes with a cement trowel or snorting tide pods through a straw, and a terrorist attack later and we would slowly move on as a civilization.
Yes the science community would be very concerned and a new generation of scientists would work diligently on it but the fickle public would lose interest.
3:32 The Drake Equation is less visually jumbled when subscripts are used rather than all of the letters being topographically the same.
Part of the problem with hearing or seeing signs of intelligent life is they may be gone by the time we respond. As an example, Sagittarius A is 25,640 light years away from us. A lot can happen in 51,280+ years.
I can get you a date with an alien, but you must pay up front.
Nothing to see there but a big hole
@Melissa BigMac True, however even having irrefutable evidence that a life form was there at that time would be earth shaking.
I think it's just to find any kind of evidence of Aliens corresponding with them would be a little optimistic
yep…but even getting proof someone out there existed at all is still enough to be massive in the way Simon described at the end of the video
One day we are going to find out that simon is actually being held in a studio/prison cell; forced at gunpoint to narrate the scripts for all these different channels that his captors profit off.
No, that's where he keeps his author's, Free Danny!
Really? Never heard that one before. Certainly don't see this comment under every one of his videos. 🤦🏻♂️
Lol
Alledgendly
Yeah and they just gave him that ugly ass sweater for a few vids last year lol
I feel that there’s one thing about SETI which doesn’t get said often enough, which is a shame because it’s a good answer to detractors of the idea. It is this: We aren’t really looking for alien signals. That is impossible, because we do not know what such signals look like, having no examples of them. Rather, we are looking for things which have no natural explanation; and when we find such things, we science the hell out of them to figure out what could cause it which is NOT aliens. In this way, we make all kinds of new and interesting discoveries, and advance our knowledge of the natural universe. Even if we somehow knew in advance that we would NEVER find aliens, that kind of exploration is still worth something, because it helps us identify that which we have yet to fully understand.
3:20 Background music is kinda loud.
I'm so glad my professors didn't pipe in piano music during lectures.
My gosh you do these videos well. I always learn new information from you on topics that I have followed for years. I am grateful for your work. My best to you.
I got to visit the Green Bank Telescope as part of a school trip. It was pretty crazy. Wifi isn't allowed within I'm pretty sure its like 10 miles, because it will make it so the telescope just can't see anything. There was like one room in the facility that had internet and that was in a faraday cage, even though it was all ethernet.
Its also the largest mobile structure in the world iirc.
I like the silence. With no intelligence signals out there, means it's all ours. How awesome is that.
With our luck, we'll find a civilization that doesn't like to share.
It’s good to be the king
Unbelievable.
You just keep on and on and on. You're like the Eveready bunny.
Where do they put his battery . . . ?
Forgot to say, the background looks better since the blue light the shines on the bricks was toned-down. After watching this my kids want to watch ET again. Another great watch, thanks.....
While exciting, I can't help but be spooked by the Dark Forest Theory.
Sounding sick on this one
There is one important thing we have to ask if it turns out that there is alien life: Are they bangable?
I'm not stoned, but I feel the Drake equation would be a lot more fun to contemplate if I was!
Basically the simplest answer to the Drake equation is that nothing can travel faster than light. The equations show there should be many planets with intelligent life, but we can’t see them. Meaning they can’t travel here quick enough for it to be worth it, the light and signals from Earth won’t reach them anytime soon for them to detect. The older galaxies that could have intelligent life are extremely far from Earth, even the closest galaxies like Wolf-Lundmark-Melotte galaxy is the 30th closest in the universe to us. It’s 3,064,500 light years away. The first discernible signals from earth were between 80-125 years ago depending on how strong the signal would have to be. Meaning they won’t even potentially hear from us for another 3,064, 300 years if you round up. It’s just an enormous (just the observable part) universe especially it physics doesn’t allow for light speed travel.
What about our own galaxy which has 400bn stars in a 50,000 light yr radius?
There could be hundreds of goldilocks planets within 100 light years of us. There may even be one orbiting Alpha C which is only 4.2 ly away.
Hottake: we'll never find another intelligent species. The solution to the Fermi Paradox is that the Great Filter is intelligence.
Coughs, Simon, how did you know?
The idea not crazy ? Advanced alien civilizations would be using radio waves, technology that would give out signals. Maybe one day humanity will pick up a signal but i still think alien civilizations wouldn't openly contacted humanity because of competition. Good chance they would watch humanity.
As a big, big boondoggle, this takes some beating!
When he refers to danny being in his basment, he is really secretly asking for help.
I hope you feel better soon, Simon.
I like how he's just got a black globe.
Lasers, and if you make it so directional that if your not in line that you would see it.
The fact is that the immense distances between galaxies makes this near impossible. The Milky Way is 100,000 light-years in diameter so a radio wave would take 100,000 years to get here from the other side. It's never going to be possible to communicate with other beings unless they're extremely close to us.
Never say never. Only 150 years ago we thought it impossible to fly. If we survive long enough, we will invent currently inconceivable methods of communication and travel.
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I refuse to believe that humanity is the only intelligent life in the universe. It's too big, there are too many rolls of the dice for that.
in the universe, sure. but beyond our galaxy (or at most our local group) is too far to detect. the question is whether life is common enough to be detectable in our own galaxy.
The hydrogen line is so likely to be broadcasted on that we are not at all? What if the universe was quit only because everyone is only listening?
anytime i hear the mention of 'the great filter' i am reminded of something else i watched a while back. not sure if it was you simon or one of the other historical youtubers i follow but someone once described humanity as 'humanity is a species with amnesia'. that we barely understand our past from 2000 years ago, let alone 200,000yrs. it makes me think that if such a great filter exists, perhaps humanity has hit that filter and faltered a few times.
Assuming convergent evolution processes will exist in other life systems, as it does/has across our systems/history, things gravitate towards a physical equiliblium; such as predator/prey and long period physical adaptions. This, under steady-state or very slow changes in environmental conditions, provides little or no opportunity to develop 'human' levels of brain and consequent environmental manipulation. For humans to develop (or exist at all) has required numerous mass extinctions of the dominant species AND numerous lesser threatening changes (ice-ages etc) that forced us to evolve different abilities and strategies. If these 'incentives/opportunities' don't happen often enough the dominant species maintains a physical status-quo, if they happen too often there isn't time for ours (or similar) characteristics to develop in a species. How does that fit into the Drake equation?.
I hope it doesn't anger the Lizard Overlords. Allegedly. Cheers from Tennessee
@tst ccnt That's the thing, they know everything. Allegedly.
Hello Simon
whats the background music, calm piano, atmospheric, while he's talking about drake equation in first half
I wonder if Simon knows that he made an anime reference at 4:26
No one says Fooly Cooley by accident 😂 FLCL forever lol. Homie’s personal life is probably more lit than his 15 channels
@@willc3900 He doesnt watch anime though, is where I was going with it, Im assuming the script writer included that
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The difficult part is keeping an open mind as to what intelligent life is. Because we only have one example (us) there is, naturally, a bias towards looking for something in our own image. Okay we have to start somewhere. Because of this I suspect intelligent alien life is as likely to be found by accident as by design.
No open mind needed.
We're trying to detect them from a distance. That means they'll have to send electromagnetic signals into space.
@@lordgarion514 the video pointed out that aliens could be using a technology we haven't got to yet.
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This channel isn't one to get facts from.
It's entertaining, but it gets its info from easy to find sources, and their fact checking isn't much.
And Simon's researchers don't know much about actual science.
No, they aren't going to get technology we don't have that lets them violate the laws of the universe that we do know about.
The only non physical things that anyone is sending into space is electromagnetic radiation.
One big problem, when Voyager 2 found a hum outside of our solar system it likely meant that radiowaves would get so distorted they would likely just look like background noise except in a few specific instances like the famous "WOW!" signal.
I'm kind of shocked that hasn't been talked about more, it was a huge find and should have blown way more minds if we weren't dealing with dumbassery on earth in May 2021 and coming out of the covid winter into summer.
Nobody will speak to us. If I was an alien, I wouldn't.
Yet you are still here
Damn. How did Simon know I’m always stoned when watching space vids…
I bet advanced civilizations communicate through quantum entanglement
The reason we don't hear anything is the Alien's equivalent of a Prime Directive...
I really hope we find their version of tiktok first.
Nothing frames a species' collective personality and moral values like micro video clips with no context
The Drake equation is useless, and there is no Fermi Paradox.
The first generation stars had nothing heavier than lithium, so absolutely no life was possible.
Second generation stars (and by extension, their planets) are literally known as "metal poor" because they don't have a lot.
So you would probably have enough of the heavier elements for life, even intelligent life, but slim chance of enough resources to build infrastructures.
We are orbiting a third generation star (called a population 1), So we have enough extra elements for infrastructure. But we're already having issues with many of those resources......
We might not be the first intelligent life in the universe, but we're in the first generation of stars really capable of having intelligent life WITH technology.
With how long it takes light to get around, it would be shocking if any technologically advanced civilizations were remotely close enough for even their very first signals to have gotten here.
We don't know enough to even make intelligent guesses.
But I watch all your videos stoned besides Drake equations and Quantum mechanics lol
If life out there exists, do we really want to make contact? If life out there exists, do they want to contact us? If life out there exists, are they looking for a new home? The possibilities are endless.
There's infinite planets and resources out there, any advanced civilization that could make it to use could easily make their own earth or find one that doesn't have advances life already
I'm thinking about what happened when European civilisation made contact with the New World, when British civilisation made contact with New Zealand civilisation. And what happened to all those African and Asian civilisations? .... Well, we'd better be first I reckon. And we'll need some really cool weapons!
Always enjoy Simon telling us about stupid ways that governments find to waste money. Ok,so find something that makes us think there is life around that that star. That star that 47 light years away. Goody, now we can waste more money trying to figure out how to get there. Money better spent here on Earth.
I hate that many space projects are multi millions and billion dollar programs, where's the trillion dollar nasa budget?
I like the idea of using scientific methods to look for aliens but in really our methods just state that we are looking for ourselves.
The scary/sad/mod boggling problem is the distances involved if we find one. It could take a satellite multiple decades/centuries to get close, and those civilisations might not even be alive anymore once we get there.
And more importantly, I might not be. 🤬
You're too optimistic. It wouldn't be decades or centuries. It would be more like hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Seriously, look up how many decades it took one of the Voyager probes just to get out of our solar system.
@@perniciouspete4986 Plus the Voyagers haven't even travelled 1 light year yet -- it will take around 18,000 years for Voyager 1 to reach a distance of 1 light year from the Sun... and the nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.26 light years away. Signals from Voyager 1 take just over 22 hours to reach Earth, so it isn't even one light DAY from Earth yet! The distances involved are kinda crazy on a human scale!
Yep…until we develop something akin to warp drive it’s an unsolvable problem
Why this constant search for extra-terrestrial intelligence? Shouldn't one first find terrestrial intelligence?
Not probably, definitely stoned.
The SKA is immensely delayed, very little drive in leadership to get it going and keep backtracking becuase of new technology advancement. Keep trying to chase the latest tech /speeds but doesn't commit and generations move on and designs restart again.
On another completely separate topic, we're still discovering new species in our world and completely ignorant to the ecosystem, I hate to think how we'd treat extraterrestrial beings..
Yes! Aliens?????
And you think the humans on this planet would stop their Petty squabbling and try working on either medical advances to keep us alive longer individuals like Frank Drake or technological advances that would also keep us alive longer so we all could be around to witness whatever the future holds
It'#s never going to happen so it doesn't matter. Anyway the elightened Liberals say Earth is overpopulated so why do you want people to live longer?
If intelligent life could communicate with us they would be screaming at us not to destroy our planet…
'Cos they want to take it over . . . ?
Who else is here from Tom Scott's new video?
Bist du Deutscher? Dein Englisch klingt so :)
N = None
Parks is nothing. It is a single dish and is only relevant because of its role in the moon landings. Tidbinbilla is multiple dishes is bigger and better and newer
Yeah, Parks hasn't done anything since the moon landings, it's not like they were the first to discover FRB's or anything like that.
Simon, are you ok? Blink twice if you're being held hostage to host all of these channels.
Are We sure We want to let every weirdo in the galaxy know where We live? I say We must find them first! So. Shush! If the supercomputers and AIs find aliens with lasers, can We trust them to tell Us?
From my perspective; the amount of civilizations per galaxy is more like three to five max MAX and the rest are deliberately hiding their presences. Good luck.
In a few more years Simon's whiskers are going to take over YT.
Uh, Nope they are already here and among us, observing what a fine mess we have made of this poor planet....IMHO
Lol.. U can tell he HAAAATES catering/ making videos to an American audience 🙄🙄 but they are the ones giving him most of his views, ie money🙄🙄
You ought to take a breath once in a while. Hearing your voice run non-stop like a machine gun grows really annoying after several minutes and my brain freezes up. You might read up on the concept of "white space."
Due to the vast, unfathomable distance between us and the rest of the universe, most of which is now well beyond any possible chance of contact due to the expansion of space, we will never find any other intelligent life, ever.
SETI is laughably irrelevant. We are utterly alone.
the rest of the universe, sure. but the question is whether life is common enough to be detectable within our galaxy.
What a disaster of naming the terms in the equation. Unless it was misstylized on the screen without subscripts.
But imagine putting all that money in developing better ecological technologies and solutions to food and global warming problems.
Some people are so hopeful of there being other forms of life and civilizations out there. It's cute how they make probability calculations saying that there should be incredibly many and we have never observed even a hint of one and they don't think their calculations have a problem, but that our observations have a problem. I think we're all alone in this massively huge and empty place. And in less than 100 years most of us are forever gone.
Absolute waste of cash they don't exsist
YOU got it wrong in regards to the Square KM array on the Australian side, we will not be using dishes but hundreds of xmas tree like antennas.... GET UR F FACTS STRAIGHT! LOL
i like megaproject videos that are not focused on the war machine, but rather the better, more engaging endeavors of humanity. please more of these and less of those ;)
You should consider making an episode on the semiconductor value chain. Perhaps the most mega of all projects ever done. Certainly the most advanced and expensive.
Very timely topic as well given the CHIPS act. I know we can't expect the whole endeavor to start churning out chips overnight, but what exactly **IS** the timeline for when we can expect results?
From being the brunt of jokes & one of the most fringe areas in science to having dozens, soon hundreds, of telescopes across the world dedicated to search for extra terrestrial life.
Yes, we have Drake & Hawking to thank for this most recent investment in SETI... but how many astronomers, astrophysicists, astrobiologists & other planetary scientists were inspired by Carl Sagan? His dedication & enthusiasm, from books like Contact to his work on Voyager, was contagious.
All 3 are sorely missed but their legacies will live on.
That was awesome Simon! One of your best. It's a topic that fascinates me, plus the video was really well done.
thanks! :)
Hunting for extra-terrestrials is amusing. It's like playing chess by mail, except that the mail takes 100,000 years each way.
I believe there's intelligent life out there, possibly because the idea of there NOT being something else out there in that infinity is more terrifying. I may be a solitary person and choose to be alone on this small planet, but for some reason, I don't want to be alone in the universe.
Sadly, facts don't care about our feelings or beliefs.
If there is or isn't life out there is unrelated to us.
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Unless they develop the technology to come visit, especially if they're not nice.
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Sorry, but that comment went from cute sarcasm, to stupid about a decade ago.
DAVID GRUSH.
I do think when the aliens discover the Earth it will be pretty much like the Europeans discovering the Americas, peaceful at first and then boom.
I think you've misunderstood the distances
Maybe the aliens are ignoring and avoiding contacting us.
They're assumed to be intelligent life, so they know what they're doing . . . !
Glad to hear scientists are trying to think of different ways extraterrestrials might be broadcasting. It's honestly a bit dumb to assume beings lightyears away have developed technology even remotely similar to our own.
DAVID GRUSH.
Don't forget radar. Our radar emissions could be detected out to deep interstellar distances too.
Our own emissions can only be detected from 100-150 light years away from Earth, because radar emissions only travel at the speed of light, which is pedestrian like in the grand scheme of things. If there is any extra-terrestrial life listening, they'd have to be within 100-150 light years of us to detect our emissions.
Also, our transmitting and listening is also assuming that aliens are transmitting and listening specifically to radio emissions like we do too. We could be trying to listen to transmissions that we can't detect because we're too technologically primitive.
Kudos to the Iain M Banks fan writing the chapter headings for "Hydrogen Sonata".
Nice Easter egg ;)
Hey Simon!!!
The "Wow"...
Oh, they're out there. It's the sheer SCALE of the universe that prevents us primitives from FINDING anything
They should make a game where you hunt Signals like these in a Simulator of some kind.
Uh, it's not a game, but you can hook-up with SETI and join the hunt....
However ("BUT, BUT,BUT,BUT . . . as Jordan Peterson would say it . . . ), the REAL question is, "Is there intelligent life on Earth?"
Regarding listening for alien radio signals, what about the inverse square path loss? Over a path length of many light years the loss would be so enormous that any alien radio signal would be well below the noise floor.
Beams dear chap
@@beeemm5707With focused radio beams using parabolic dishes the inverse square law still applies dear chap. Focused radio beams using dish antennas improves the effective radiated power of the transmitter and the sensitivity of the receiver but the inverse square law still applies.
Those letters in the Drake equation are supposed to be subscripts... f_p not fp... fp means f*p... there is no p. It's "f subscript p". Equation makes no sense the way it's written in this video.
We should study patterns we simply haven't thought of; using large data sets and dynamical systems theory. We're obviously missing a lot of things but there is plenty we don't know that we don't know.
If we’re looking for messages being sent through the hydrogen line frequency and also not broadcasting on it in order to eliminate some interference, who’s to say an alien race isn’t doing the same thing? Both looking for something that neither is producing. 😆
It is too bad that they couldn't have somehow incorporated a listening device of some sort on our new Webb Telescope that will be visiting more stars and galaxies than Drake ever guessed were out there.
I have decided people name projects based on the Acronym they want instead of something logical.
If you do hear something from out there, it most probably be hundreds of thousands of years old.
Always the frickin' lasers, ain't it? :P
1:30 - Chapter 1 - All the stars in the sky
6:05 - Chapter 2 - A drop in the ocean
9:20 - Mid roll ads
11:00 - Chapter 3 - Hydrogen sonata
14:25 - Chapter 4 - A 1000 points of light
@4:27 Shout out to the classic anime FLCL
1:28 all the stars in the sky
6:02 a drop in the ocean
9:19 sponsorship
10:58 hydrogen sonata
14:23 a thousand points of light
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Simon, I don't wonder, I know.
There fireflies. Fireflies that got stuck up in that big bluish, black, thing.
I remember in the 90s, SETI setup a screen saver one could download and your own computer would check parts of signals downloaded for anything suspicious. I recently tried to find that screen saver to try and find Xenomorphs, but it’s now called BOINC.
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08:55 - Oh why did you discredit us for having filthy piano keys Simon?
You're British 🇬🇧 too mate!
That stereotype has long since be debunked! We actually have better teeth than most Americans! 😂😂