I SENT PSA CARDS FROM BGS & CSG WITH INSANE RESULTS!
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- Today I share a 25-card PSA grading reveal that includes 4 cards I re-graded that appeared to be undergraded originally. This includes 2 from BGS (9 & 9.5), 1 from CSG (9), and 1 from PSA (8). Let's just say, make sure you stick around for the whole order. These cards are INSANE!
I learned a lot by trying this out, and I hope you do as well. Learn from my experience before attempting it yourself :)!
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I'm glad you prioritize family over TH-cam
Thanks Michael! I appreciate that.
I do the same thing with the worse condition cards when I send my orders in. It works especially well when you have multiples or when I send a bunch in from the same set. I'll put a borderline card first or right before a card I really want a 10 on. It seems to work pretty well
Thanks for sharing Jeff, it’s good to hear others have had success with it as well.
Love that you hit a 10 on the Brady, and also I’m enamored by your Finest Manning Collection! Nicely done, and great info as far as your thinking on how to set up your cards for the psychological manipulation of graders LOL!
Hahaha thanks man!! glad you enjoyed. Thanks for the comment
Congrats, man! Love your content and down-to-earth nature.
Thanks Daniel! Maybe it is my midwestern-ness coming out lol
Great Video man. Looks like your Grader was having a good day. I'm almost convinced that you could submit a card three times and get three different grades at PSA. I have re-submitted 5-10 cards recently and over half of them got a different grade.
Seems to be that way. My takeaway is that I’d much rather be grading/sending these cards in myself so I can have a solid idea of condition regardless of what they give it. Vs buying/paying a huge premium for a PSA 10
and you don't think you could do that with other grading companies when it comes to cards that are on the fence as far as what grade they should get?
First time to this channel. I'm now hooked.Very well spoken and presented. Great stuff. Instant subscribe!
Welcome Scott! Thanks for the kind words.
Love those Ronaldhino’s!! Congrats on the upgrades! I might have to try this.
Thanks Billy!! Glad you enjoyed the video.
In the early days of CSG. They graded extremely harsh with surface. If you can find a rare card with a low grade surface...grab it
Great to know! In my (now) limited experience I agree with you lol
Your videos have been super helpful! I am getting my first psa order ever ready to be sent in so fingers crossed!
Amazing!! Let me know how it goes. Don’t be discouraged if the first one is tough, it’ll get easier every time as you learn from them.
I didn’t know they had binders to put your slabs in. Brilliant!
Yes they are great!!!
Congrats, I had over 300 modern cards graded by CSG with the old green labels and it basically bankrupted me lol. They gave 8.5’s out like candy on all modern cards because of “surface issues” and really screwed a lot of people over with such harsh grades. I’ve sent in a CSG 7 green label and gotten a PSA 10 on a silver Prizm Maxey card.
I will avoid using them then. I purchased a CSG 7.5 and it looks mint.
This is good to know for us all. Thank you for sharing. May continue to keep an eye on them, especially with the low surface grades but high everything else
the green label csg was 50/50 centering for a 9.5 gem scale at the time it changed since then psa's is 60/40 for a gem
Man got some nice cards in your collection, congrats on the grade. Never like psa slabs but with sports cards sell better than CSG. I prefer the CSG slabs but them grades they do is insane.
Thanks man! I appreciate that. Yes CSG definitely seems like tough grading (which is a good thing in my opinion).
Let's go! Awesome return, and nice work with the sacrificial lamb cards
Thanks man! That’s a good way to frame it 😂😃
Dude, I'm not big on grading but putting a lesser card in front of the nicer card is down right brilliant! Congrats on the results.
Haha thanks Mike! May not even work at all but at least worth trying lol!
Are you thinking that the bad card makes the next card look that much better?
What price category did you send this cards at?
Great video. I don’t send to PSA anymore. I have seen to many videos of wrong grades from PSA.
Thanks Jason!
Congrats! Amazing stuff! Very strategic.
Thanks Tom! Glad you enjoyed. Either it's strategy or complete nonsense, either way I am going to keep trying lol!
Wow you crushed it!! The good eye and risks paid off great! Enjoy the Brady’s!
Thanks Alberto!! I appreciate you tuning in :)
@@carlsoncards absolutely! You going to inspire me to continue playing the grading game to grow my collection!
Old CSG graded tough
It definitely seems that way. I didn't even realize before this (had never subbed with them), but I am actively going to watch for cards with similar subgrades now.
Congrats! Great sub! Love the content!
Thank you!!! Glad you enjoyed :)
Thanks for showing upgrading is possible and how its can be very rewarding !
You’re welcome! Thanks for checking out the video.
Great results. PSA is far more lenient than CSG any day. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for tuning in! Any time 😀
The baiting works for sure, I have done it with Pokemon cards, I send damaged high end cards and usually put the worst cards first. I have got a couple 1.5s which are super rare because cards were slightly better than the beat to hell card that was just before it.
Thanks for sharing! It’s good to hear others are having success with that strategy as well.
GOOD VIDEO MAN. THANKS GOOD INFO. KEEP DOING VIDEOS LIKE THIS PLEASE. LOVE THE HONESTY.
Thanks for the comment Danny, I appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed this one.
Thanks for the knowledge drop. PSA only.
Thanks for tuning in Mark!
Love your videos. I’m always excited when you upload content
Thanks!! Glad I can bring some enjoyment to you!
Well done! Some major wins 🎉
Thanks Ty! And happy lent to you as well!
Congratulations. Great video and great job picking the right cards
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed
Nice hit on the Brady!!! Go Pats!!! 🇺🇲
This is crazy! I have a bunch of those 05 throwbacks myself. I dont have many refractors though. I also have the same finest manning BUT mine is only a refractor. Really cool! I LOVE chrome! Just followed you on Instagram
You are so good for the hobby! Wish you well brother!
I don’t know if I deserve that compliment but thank you!! Same to you 😃
Gotta sell that Brady 10 my man. Not worth keeping
The dilemma! Either way going to enjoy it for a little while at least :)
Awesome!! Loved this video brother...
Thanks for tuning in!! 🤙
Congratulations on the huge hit! Your content is inspiring
Thanks Matt! I appreciate that
Man I get excited when people get graded a 10! Congratulations
Thanks Wilson!
Congrats on that brady Sick card!
Thanks Colton! Appreciate it
Thanks for doing this! So awesome of you@! Go YOU! Jesus bless!
Thanks Matthew!!! Looking forward to seeing you at the April show.
Cool results! Congrats!
Thanks Zmann! 🤙
Sell it. Keep your 9’s⬇️ and sell 10’s if you have a buyer. The valuation of a 10 compared to 9 is way too great to not liquidate, while there is still a steady market for graded 10 cards.
That's likely where I am leaning as well! Going to enjoy the Brady for at least a little while first :)
I submitted to FCG for the first time because I was curious about their grading process. I submitted a Colorblast, Prizm silver and Prizm silver variation of T-Law. I knew the silvers both had some surface issues. When I received my grades and sub grades they provided a full breakdown (blueprint) of how the cards where graded specific to each card. Very transparent. I’m not a fan of cards that don’t have sub grades because it’s very subjective.
That’s interesting, first I’ve really heard about that process (I don’t watch too much content actually so I probably just missed the boat). Sounds like that could be really nice for PC Cards that you really want a strong gauge of condition on.
Nice slabs. Love em! New subscriber.
Thank you!! I appreciate that. Definitely some nice ones to either add to the collection or help fund the collection. Welcome!
fun video man, congrats!
Thank you!! Appreciate it.
Amazing! Congrats!!! I would 100% sell that Brady too.
Thank you!! Yes will definitely enjoy it for a bit either way 😁
recently 33 card TAG submission --- sga crossed over 2/2 and psa 1/3 w one up and one down and one even
Great strategy definitely a jedi mind trick lol
You can call me Jedi Knight Carlson 😂
I think it’s a bit of an open secret that the lower tier service you take the lower your grade will be. I submitted a load of Wixoss cards to PSA on lowest tier and most cards came back 8 to 10 but one was a 7 and I was blown away. I looked at it under a loupe and couldn’t see any corner damage, surfaces looked good, only very slight centring I noticed. I cracked it open and sent it back using $150 express service and it came back a 9!
Congrats on the Brady!!!!!
Hey good to see you man!! Thanks!
That Brady black refractor! I would lose my mind too😅
You should watch some of those horror story videos on what banks have done to items in a safety deposit box. It is obviously a risk leaving anything valuable anywhere but losing some priceless item or them damaging it over bank incompetence would drive me crazy.
I see the flip side to leaving it at your home is super risky also for multiple reasons. I also assume that a bank losing or hurting someone's items is probably under 2% of people who use them.
Love me some Carlson❤ cards
Thank you! I appreciate you tuning in!
It would take a lot of money to play games with grading companies but it goes to show every body has their own opinion when it comes to grading.
Great video
Thanks John!
Wow, nice hit on the Brady. I would sell and buy the 9 use the rest of your profit to get more cards to try and pull more cross overs
Thanks man! I’m contemplating that same idea. Either way going to enjoy for a bit but may get it up online/bring to some shows. Not used to having a card in this price point in my collection. Much more comfortable in the $200-500 range.
Nice to get upgrades. Funny that it’s still the same cards, but going from one company to another or even a different grader within the same company, produces different results. Just way too much inconsistency and subjectivity.
Without a doubt!
I collect Brady PSA 10's also, but personally for me, I'd have to sell that Brady card just because the money is more beneficial to me. Awesome hit though!
Thanks for sharing!! Yeah I’m in that same dilemma. I’m much more comfortable/used to collecting in the $50-500 range. This gets to a whole new level basically!
Personally, I would HOLD onto that TB12 black refractor until he is up for induction into the Hall of Fame! It will probably double in value if you sell after it is announced he is eligible, but before it is officially announced he is in!!!!
8:20 zestiest reaction ngl hahaha but congrats on that.....personally I think PSA 10's just aren't worth anything for the reason that lower grades from other companies can hit it, but glad you got value out of it, 9:20 I'd just resell something like that and buy more cards I liked but weren't worth as much just like you said you'd probably do.
CSG green labels are criminally underrated. They grade harsh in General but super harsh back then
Totally agree
Came here to say this. When they did the switch I grabbed a bunch, the 9.5s went up to 10s auto which is cool and then I had seen enough of their grades to tell they were super detailed with their reviews.
You should wear tight latex or nylon gloves when handling cards. Fingerprints can prevent getting a grade 10.
I think any card printed under 300 is gonna be worth a lot. Especially RCs and RPAs.
I had the same reaction in a blind reveal of a card I brought in 2005 from eBay and I had it since, a 2002 Dwayne Wade Finest XRC.
Moss is my favorite WR to collect.
I think they are also just inherently so much more collectible! I like knowing very few others have the same card as it sounds like you do as well! Congrats on the big hit
Hadn't heard of the bad card - good card trick, thanks for the info. Jmac Sportscards had a video about not using CSG cause you don't get nearly the same money as a PSA slab. Have you done crossovers with TAG, FCG or HGA slabs?
Any time! Like I mentioned, not 100% certain if it works or not, but it seems to work really well for those borderline type cards. I do think CSG grades extremely strong, so they can be good for cracking out like I did here. Did not yet try TAG/FCG but I have done an HGA 9.5 in the past and it successfully went to PSA 10.
This video should wake people up to how “grading” is a coin flip, and not really a thing that makes sense for 95% of collectors.
It’s another mass delusion, that will fade.
50+ years of collecting and watching the trends.
Good luck everyone 😅
Yes, I am learning more and more every time! My big takeaway is I need to be grading these big cards myself. I don't really see any reason to pay a huge premium at this point for PSA 10's unless I got to see the card prior so I can ensure I really do feel it was deserving a 10.
Csg is way to hard on modern and easy on vintage
Great insight
Thanks Ziggy!!
what kind of binder pages were those? Never seen that for slabs before
I actually found them on eBay. A little pricey but they seem to work really well. Search "graded card binder pages"
Bravo! I have a cgc 8.5 card that I'd like to get regraded by PSA. Should I pack it the same way as a raw card? Or do you suggest cracking it? I would really value your opinion.
Heavily suggest cracking it if you are comfortable doing so, otherwise you’d have to use “crossover” service, and they’ll crack it for you.
Great informative video! Just one thing i'm wondering is it common to have sleeved cards inside of slabs?
BGS seems to use sleeves, I believe PSA does some times but I am not certain on that one.
Nice! Im doing same now!!! From Sgc undergrades.....
I didn't hear you mention anything about upcharges. Did they not upcharge on these huge cards?
Good point, totally slipped my mind actually. No they did not which blew my mind. I think it helped maybe that this was the $499 and under service and the fact that none of the big cards have sold in the last 6 months (if ever).
05:55 that's an awesome binder!
My thoughts are that I would keep that card. You may never see that card again in your life. You’ll thank yourself 50 years from now when you look at your collection
Thanks for the input Colin! I am leaning towards this as well. I still threw it up super high on ebay, but I agree. Not a card I'd likely see/have the chance to get at a reasonable price. The best part is being into it so "cheap".
Just out of curiosity on cards that you crack from BGS with surface issues, do you clean the surface really well before attempting to send the card back in to PSA? I have an awesome Jamal Murray RC die-cut on card auto /35 that got a 7.5 on surface so I’m thinking of cracking it, cleaning the surface and resubmitting to PSA
Yeah! Sometimes a nice wipe down is all it needs to be honest. Might be smudges and surface stains on it
First of all, that is a great collection. However, a BGS 9.5 is essentially the same as a PSA 10. I like the video, but my takeaway is people are wasting money on PSA 10s.
I actually agree with you wholeheartedly. I rarely pay premiums for PSA 10’s. Almost always try to buy raw and grade myself for my collection to save the money!
Make sure to send those old grades into the grading company so they take em off the pop reports. Otherwise it'll just make the price go down in the future because of flooding the markets
Good reminder! I mentioned that in my prior video but I forgot to in this one.
i have never seen graded card binder pages. do you have a link to those you wouldn't mind sharing?
If you search “graded card binder pages” on eBay you should find them! A little pricey but I’ve enjoyed them.
How do you package them when you send them in? What kind of box and stuffing do you suggest with that large amount? Thanks!
I typically use a medium flat rate box from USPS if it is a larger order. Then I wrap stacks of 40ish cards in a rubber band and then wrap in bubble wrap. Then I stuff the excess space in the box with filler material (bubble wrap, newspaper, etc). Hope that helps!
Ive sent a lot of csg cards to psa with poor results .2 Kevin Durant Rcs csg 9s got psa 8 and 7. 2 michael jordan metal universe A csg 9.5 got psa 8 and a csg 9 got a psa 8. a clayton kershaw topps rc csg 9.5 got a psa 9. Csg green labels didnt grade every card tough, only the ones that desrved tens. a csg 9 could be a psa 7,8,9,10. But a PSA 10 would never be a csg 8. The only way to move up a grade is through centering, psa doesnt mind a little off centered, where as a garbage grader llike GMA focuses way to much on centering. you can turn gma 9s into psa 10s. psa will give a current year pack fresh card thats centered 60/40 a 10 50% of the time. everyother grading company will say this card isnt centered its a 9 at best
Thanks for sharing that data! Always good to hear how other's experiences have been.
Added question did you get an upcharge on more than the max value of the slabs? TIA
Thanks for the question! I didn't on this order but I have in the past. It's all over the place though. I've hit cards that were worth $1500 and then got upcharged $50, but then have hit cards worth $6000 and didn't get an upcharge. I think the more common/heavily transacted cards are more likely to get upcharged. Obscure/rare (high dollar) cards are less likely.
Do you submit at the lowest tier possible and just hope they up charge you after grading? I haven't quite figured that part out. Not sure if I submit at the higher tier to let them know I expect a higher grade or submit at the lower level and potential of saving money if it doesn't hit
Unless you have like a 1986 Fleer Jordan, At this point I’d always submit at the lowest tier. I really don’t see any drawbacks to it. Worst case you get 1 or 2 upcharges. I forgot to mention in the video, but this one had zero upcharges. I’ve sent probably close to 2000 cards at this point at the lowest tier (over the past 10-12 months) and have been upcharges approximately 10 or 11 times total. They just charge you the higher service level fee for that particular card. I.e. $30 or $50 depending on value.
@@carlsoncards gotcha! I tried it on my last order just to test and it failed miserably lol. Both cards i sent would have been $5k cards if they hit what I expected but both hit one grade lower and tanked the value. Was out a ton of money just on that order. I sent them email about the tiers and my questions but they haven't answered yet. love the vids bro!
Where did you get the graded binder? Awsome cards
Hi, actually just found them on eBay if you search “graded card binder pages”!
It amazes me that PSA doesn’t flag cards that they are unknowingly regrading that have serial numbers. How don’t they have some check for this???
The grading seems so arbitrary so often.
I think part of it is the card HAS to be regraded irregardless. I.e. what if a 9 got snapped and got damaged during the process and the psa auto gave it a 9, wouldn’t make much sense. That’s just my thought on it! But yes, agree on the arbitrary-ness. I heavily prefer to buy raw or low graded vs paying a premium for a PSA 10. Would MUCH rather grade the card myself so I can ensure the condition was strong.
@@carlsoncards Yeah, 100% agree on raw and low graded cards. You mentioned not using Kurt’s products. I actually purchased one of his kits a few days ago and am waiting for it to arrive. Have you had bad luck? Or just don’t feel it’s necessary? Thanks…and phenomenal videos! Really love the technical discussion and especially when you give advice on card shows, grading, investing in cards, etc.!
I don’t do a very good job of keeping my cards sorted and organized. Any chance you could do a video on what you do?
Also, it would be cool to see a video of how you track your cards (PC and non-PC)…database, etc.? I’ve been keeping a spreadsheet and plan to add sold comps using eBay’s APIs when I have some free time, but I’m always curious about what the people with more experience do.
Again, thanks!
@@JudahEyes for me, it doesn't feel necessary on most cards. Some people really enjoy it and have good luck with it though!
I'll add both of those to my list, they should be worthwhile videos at some point!
Thanks for all the support!!
Have you ever sent in any of the 96-97 metal basketball base cards? I am waiting for seven of the Kobe cards. #181. Also sent in seven of #203 Kobe Fleer 96-97. Held them for many years, just getting around to grading a hundred cards. What are your thoughts on these two cards?
Have never sent but love the designs! I think those are pretty tough grades, but if you could hit a 10 that would be wild!
Cool video! What’s your guidance on setting the declared max value for a card you’re hoping comes back a 10? Is it always best to declare on the higher end when submitting?
I actually declare on the low end (raw price). It’s really just for insurance purposes on the return shipping (from my understanding)!
@@carlsoncards thanks for your reply!
CSG is big 2 now. It's passed up Beckett
They’ve really done well along with SGC!
@@carlsoncards yeah I think SGC held 3rd place with no doubt! Beckett fell out .
Dude, i sent cards in that looked like they had 0 issues, and they came back a 6!!! sometimes the grader just has one of those days
I dont get how PSA hands out 10 and values are up rather than getting a 10 from a harder grading company and the values are low
While you're jumping for joy, this ought to cause you to pause long enough to QUESTION the true quality of graded cards!
I do agree with you, and I think my biggest takeaway is this: I want to be sending the cards in for grading myself. At this point I would heavily question buying a 10 at a steep premium without having seen it myself ungraded (especially a card of this caliber). I feel a LOT better knowing I was able to screen it and felt confident it had the qualities of a 10 prior to sending. That is definitely my top takeaway from these last couple grading experiences. I appreciate the comment!
Hi, have you ever cracked a numbered card graded by psa (9) and try to resubmit to shoot for a psa 10? Is this possible (because it’s numbered)? Thoughts please 🙏🏼
Hi! Yes I have. I’ll link you a video where I’ve done that and had success. People out there will say “you can’t do it/they track the numbering” but that is false.
I RE-SENT 4 CARDS TO PSA & THEN THIS HAPPENED!
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So you can send a numbered card that's a PSA 8 crack it and regrade? Dont they have a record of it already being graded because its numbered?
That’s exactly what I had always thought as well. I’ve done two orders now where I felt the grades were off, and I sent back and have had success. So I guess I was wrong in assuming the grade is set in stone 🤷♂️
@@carlsoncards very cool. Looks like I'll be cracking a few in the future. I appreciate the info.
@@hockeynut06 yep, any time! I cracked my cards that were definitely on the “what the heck happened here?” side of things.
@@carlsoncards well there goes that. I just saw on a sports card investor video that PSA will be tracking this exact thing we were talking about. I have no luck. I guess SGC it is. Ugh
have you sold the brady 6 and if not how much
Yeah, actually just sold it on Friday. $475
It just shows you that PSA is not consistent, and it seems like there’re a little relax on there grading process.
If you aren’t getting 9/10s from PSA then it’s a skill issue. PSA has the lowest standards in the business and that’s why everyone uses them. “But they have the highest resale!!!” Yes, because sellers pass all of the cost/fees for dealing with PSA to you the buyer, that’s your “premium” everyone keeps shouting about. And now that all of these flippers, resellers, scammers etc. are heavily invested in this dog-poo company that is PSA they will put down any competition to protect that investment. “But PSA grades harder now!!!” BS, they just started actually grading now instead of throwing a dart at a board with a 9/10 on it in the morning.
So we're going off a grading system that is not definitive.
It does seem to have some wiggle room in it and varies greatly by company. I want to continue to grade PC cards myself (instead of buying in a 10 already) so I can ensure the card condition. I don't really see much of a benefit in me paying a MASSIVE premium for a 10 on a huge card at this point.
What’s your criteria for snapping out vs opting for the crossover route?
I snap everything. I have not heard too many success stories of the crossover route!
Yea, I struggle with things that are high grade. Like a CSG 10. I’d like it in a PSA holder and my theory is that the good grade would influence the grader to give me a 10 (for the crossover route).
@@scottvaughn9 that’s a good point! Yeah definitely a tough one.
I think you are overthinking things when you think you are "baiting" the grader...I would assume each card is graded on its own merits, not how the previous card graded....another thing to ponder -- since we get our cards back out of order, who's to say that by the time the cards get to the graders, the cards aren't already out of order? The whole process is so "unknown" to those of us who submit cards
Yeah it could be a complete load of crap for all I know ha! I think I mentioned that in the video. I’ve heard a few people say it in the past but obviously no clue if it works or not!
Nice cards! You keep them at your bank?!
Yeah, definitely prefer to keep them in a safety deposit instead of at a vault. I like to be able to stop by and see them lol!
bro what option did you use in PSA? bulk? TIA
Yep! I use the cheapest service level ($19 currently). Its been taking about 1-1.5 months door to door. So really not too bad
Sell the 10s keep the 9s😊
For some reason I seem to want to hold on to the 10’s and sell the 9’s! Maybe that will change over time 😅
that brady maybe worth 1000 now
These inconsistent, subjective grading methods are the reason we developed a new scientific grading rubric a few years ago. Just looking for more intelligent collectors to join our movement. We understand many people have a lot invested in other services, but we are confident in our consistency and hope you are ready to invest in ACTUAL empirically measured grading. -10x Card Grading
How long was the submission process from the day you sent them to the day they returned to your house??
A little over a month! This has been pretty consistent recently, 5-7 weeks.
@Carlson Cards I sent mine last week of January ($40 special) & still waiting.
I'm surprised I haven't gotten them yet b/c my last 2 submissions, I literally got them back within 30 days ( including weekends).