Thank you for making this video Can you also plzz make a video Or tell about bts nominations for this year (like as in if they gave songs like take two and planet which are group songs)will they be nominated as artist of year or not
Please any army explain why these things happened with layover- i only want facts please - hanteo 600k sales dlt - itunes sales suddenly disappeared - all MV views started getting frozen just after 1 hour of LMA started breaking records - physical albums not shipped despite the 1.5+ months pre orders - sd cds not shipped until the tracking period was over and many still didn't got their cds and albums -Digital download available after 3 days of release -US record label refusing to make posts about him until they got mass tagged and than they started retweeting tae twts before they were just making posts abt olivia Rodrigo - whole day Spotify data deleted and slow dancing was nowhere to be found on many countries Spotify charts - slow dancing is currently disappeared from all BB CHARTS
You forget to mention about hobi's interview on radio show on Korea which were imp part of his promotion too where he did long and free conversation and interact with fans too
Thank you for making this detailed explanation of OT7 sólo debute. I wanted to hear your thoughts on them. Because I just thought they all did it differently & in their own way. 💜🥰💟
I'm sure Joon was tired of the meaningless convos and the disrespectful ignorant interviewers so he just decided to go with the people he trusts. Basically what you said❤
I don’t trust fans who don’t trust bts. you don’t have to trust the company, but at least trust bts. they are in control, they have shares in the company, they built that company from the ground up. they are not being manipulated and they are most definitely NOT competing against each other 😭 they care about the music, they take leading roles in planning promotions and concepts. they’re not powerless dolls like other idols , or like some fans want to believe
@@siggispock5102 They have talked about this millions of times in interviews and even in their lives. Watch each member's Suchwita episode and you can listen each of their stories. they have been an open book and they always say "just trust in our word". it's simple.
It's so sad that instead of enjoying the music and promotions that every member gave us, a lot of people only were focused on finding things to complain about and being miserable
A lot of solo stans. Some "Army" also sent ad trucks to Hybe to protest BTS renewing their contracts. Solo fans also wanted V sign with companies from the US. All the talk about sabotages and how Hybe is an evil company that is threatening the boys into renewing their contracts while actively sabotaging their solo albums/work is annoying.
@@norainid.2970yes some ARMY so annoying they always blame company not promote well and company sabotize their bias. Why the company want their artist to fail are crazy
Each member has a very specific vision for their career. Jin wanted a one and done somg that was a love letter to ARMY. A breezy song with an upbeat energy. Suga created a new chapter in his AgustD journey, very much in his vein of hip hop. Such an arc RM wanted to create pure art. He departed the farthest from the BTS sound aside from V. Lush emotional storytelling and lyricism. JHope brough a new hiphop intensity that you can tell he always wanted more of. A harder...more gritty edge that really changed his overall image. He grew up and showed us. Striking. Jimin was creating str8 Kpop. It followed the vein of it very closely. It was the most BTS-esque of the 7, very fun, energetic. Very Jimin! JK wants to be a pop star. His songs are targeted specifically for a global audience. The pop/rnb influence is clear and he is perfect for that genre. He wants the biggest possible reach. V made music he likes to listen to. The bluesy jazz sound is in line with his vibe. His sound departs probably the furthest from BTS. It limits your audience, but its what he desired. All the solo fans need to calm the eff down and use their brain instead of their egos when looking at this stuff.
Face is anything but straight k-pop lol, every single song on that album is from a different genre while I do agree he is the one who had the most BTS's essence, maybe because of the sheer level of versatility of his songs but it wasn't kpop, and BTS is and have always been barely kpop. And Face-off by Jimin is more r&b than anything Jk has released so far(excluding my time, now that's a proper R&B song), both seven and 3D are the definition of mainstream generic pop(not staying it's bad or good, that's personal opinion).
@@stargazing2628are you new to kpop? Face is straight up kpop lmfao. It’s more 2nd gen kpop then kpop today but it’s very kpop. Jk songs aren’t generic pop either. It’s more late 2000s/ british house sounds more then anything… 3D is literally a song you’d imagine nsync/backstreet boys to sing back in the day it sounds nothing like pop of today what are you listening to lmfao
@@ruthiee8344Face is straight k-pop, but 3D is not generic? Face-off is a quintessential rnb song with trap influence, Like Crazy is literally Synth pop and straight 80s, Alone is rnb, Dive is bedroom pop influenced interlude, SMF2 is a legit Hip-hop track, and letter is a pop ballad. I have been in kpop for a long enough time to know that there's a difference between the kpop(industry) and kpop as a genre. Face is not kpop at all. SMF2 straight up sounds like something out of MBDF by Kanye West, hence the nonsensical hate Jimin got from kpoppers for using 30s of autotune. And NSYNC and their music were the definition of generic. Both seven and 3D were songs given to JK which can literally be given to any other artist and not much would change.
I stan 7 smart, seasoned, insanely successful industry veterans who built their company from scratch. That's why I trust them. I support them by consuming their music, not by questioning their intelligence.
If only it were so simple - black and white - like that! That’s not how the music industry works and the LABEL makes the ultimate decisions - like which member is going to be the one who will be the ‘most successful’…though I WILL say they don’t control the gp or fans of another member, so sometimes plans don’t work out the way they want it to, like who won the historic #1 BB. JM will ALWAYS do what’s best for the group- NOT for himself; he has always put his brothers first before himself.
Jin's Astronaut achieved SO MUCH with just 9 days' notice, no instrumentals, just two versions, limited shipping, no US promo, no playlisting or radio play. Jin's power is insane. I'm desperately waiting for his full album, I absolutely love his songs & vocals.
@@ivy721 Is there a reason you feel the need to call another member insulting names just because you're jealous that he got what you wish your fave did? In all of your whining and crying, you never mentioned what JK did wrong to piss you off other than succeed and get support.
@@ZariDV she is a stuborn people that don't want hear any explantion by other people. Jimin who want promote his album in jimmy pallon and korean show why blame bighit not support him if he want to promote his album in radio in us he will and bighit will support. And jimin bighit artist why bighit want jimin album flop think about that with your brain. Suga came to radio us to promote his songs not only jk .why you blame jk and hate him for his succes and about the #1 bb 100 it's not jk foult that jimin not in #1 next week it is billboard platform
I have loved how the Chapter 2 promotions have been unique to each BTS member, showing off their individual charms. Being different is an advantage not a disadvantage. Thank you for summarising it so well.
Yes😌 In a way, when I think about all the different ways they promoted their solo career, it kinda comes together in an abstract way that kinda makes me think of BTS as a group Diverse different and impressionable 😏 I don't know maybe it just sounds silly 😄
Namjoon's promotion is crazy when you think about it. He has all the confidence in the world to specifically curate his "promotion" as an art enthusiast. He created a very beautiful art with that DIA Beacon performance, a nod back at his early career with Rolling Hall, with no unnecessary interview, and he knew his album would sell. His music would sell.
I feel like a lot of armys don’t understand that BTS has transcended the K-pop sphere and aren’t just satisfied by being accepted and acclaimed in K-pop, they want to be accepted and acclaimed in the international body of work respective to each of the genres they pursue. Edit: chill out on the reply section y’all, some of y’all got too heated over nothing or missed the point of my comment entirely.
Right? So many of us have been discussing why they're not 'K-pop' anymore despite being from Korea, for years. WE get it. And they never have been typical K-pop anyway. (Not to mention, K-pop rejected us completely...) But that's the core of the problem, isn't it? They're going full-international and they're gathering a lot of new fans...but the new fans are not ARMYs (yet), don't know BTS's history or discography (yet), and auto-label anything that comes out of Korea as 'K-pop'. And unfortunately, some of these 'fans' aren't ever going to get to the 'yet', because all they're interested in is the English-lyrics music. 'I just LOVE BTS!' 'Oh, cool, which era is your favorite?' 'Era? What's an era? I just love Dynamite and Seven, they're SOOO cute and sexy!' :Sigh:
yes but how does that relate to orders not being shipped on time for debut week even tho the pre-order was place a whole month before? how does it relate to a song being distributed in literally every streaming and buying platform under the wrong credits? I don't see the correlation of what type of music and art bts wanted to release and a company not doing their job properly in such an astoundingly bad manner that it ends up sabotaging the member's debut.
I think you have that some what wrong. We know BTS are more than Kpop but still Kpop most of us aren't even Kpop fans. We know BTS use multi genres of music and we love that it what makes them different one of the things that makes them stand out. We know each member has different musical tastes on top of what they have in common that's means we get a wild spectrum of styles and tastes. It's wonderful when they do their own thing and when they all bring something to the table to make an amazing musical mix. When we go through BTS albums the tracks are not all the same that's the beauty of a BTS album. ARMY understands they are global Super Stars however I'm sure there are people anti's especially who don't want BTS to be global superstars as they overshadow their kpop groups. They will often pretend to be BTS fans and many of them are kpop fans in general eg they belong to multi fandoms and are always telling ARMY we should also support other Kpop Groups. mmmm strange as no one says oh you like this Rapper than you have to also like and all Rappers or you like that pop artist so have to also love this pop artist.. ermmm No sorry that's not how liking a group works.
@@tetete5039 Not being shipped, or not arriving when expected? Once it leaves the company, it's all on the shipping process, and the global shipping process this year is giving VERY poor performance. The wrong credits across all platforms sounds like someone glitched it before distribution, as opposed to a single platform deliberately removing a credit in order to reduce numbers. That one you can lay solidly on the editor, whoever they were. But I really don't think a record-breaking debut can be considered sabotaged, and it's pretty foolish to assume that any company would *want* one of it's most popular and lucrative members to do poorly. It'd be more damaging to the company than to the member.
@@ystrwwhy can't you guys simply accepting anything against company did you guys stan artist or company coz it's freaking company's job to correct the mistakes now even billboard chart messed up sd and after the trending hastag they rapair the whole chart so how come this not affecting the artist
People will start blaming the company but then BTS said themselves that they did their Solo albums by their own freedom and directed how they want it to be.
the clips of RM getting asked the most uninteresting questions in interviews and clearly contemplating his life decisions 😭😭 i’m so glad he can promote his solo projects how he wants to
i think some people forget that while bts is a group with 7 members--each with different sounds and genres to offer, they also each have different goals and ambitions for their own solo music. i say we trust them with the actions they are taking with their art
armys definitely need to break out of the mindset that the only indicator of success is a high position on the Hot100. musical success is so much more than that.
@@nat4618 first of all why do you think *I* am the one in charge of whether members get #1s or not 😭 a #1 on the BBH100 is NOT easy and depends on several factors: firstly the Billboard Hot 100 ONLY tracks US streams, sales and radio (and I'm not from the US so nothing to do with me lmaoo). So that's a huge chunk of BTS' audience cut out. Secondly, Billboard are notoriously corrupt and shift the impact more onto radioplay (which is controlled by huge companies that illegally pay-for-play) as well as coincidentally filtering huge amounts of streams and sales for BTS songs like we saw for the fall of Like Crazy. Those chart positions rely more on music industry privilege than anything, which is why BTS only achieved their first #1 in 2020, which is pretty recent for being the biggest band in the world since 2017. THEN after all of that is the reason why boracity made this video - what audience the music is directed at within the US. A large part of achieving a hit relies on the general public rather than dedicated ARMYs, and like it or not the general public are passive listeners whose ears have been trained by the industry to respond to certain sounds. Those sounds rarely (although this has been changing recently because of tiktok, but very slowly) include indie, rock, hip hop, slow songs or any kind of overly experimental music. Many of BTS' work both as a group and as solo artists fall under this category, on top of both the language barrier with Korean songs and the cultural barrier/stigma that they're unfortunately still fighting. So you see, it's really not that simple. ARMYs have been fighting for BTS to get their well-deserved recognition in Western music and on Western charts for YEARS, and for new fans to come in and undermine all of that, the fact that we quite literally came from nothing, to say that if it's so easy why don't we do it for all the members, is disrespectful. The world doesn't work that way. And I haven't even touched on the intentions of the boys themselves - sure, they want Western recognition, but they are also musicians who want to have a long-lasting impact and create timeless music (Namjoon and the others have said this many times). The fact that you choose to selectively listen to them to fit your narrative is not very ARMY-like of you, but I'd guess you're probably a diet solo or a solo anyway. I know EXACTLY what you people do, you try to place the blame on ARMYs for their "favouritism" to get us to fight each other when it's not about favouring one member at all. You can't fool me. I don't take criticism about favouritism from someone whose entire fan identity is ignoring the boys' love for each other to create their own agenda.
@@rkivelover Your response is so AMAZING! I live in the US and the radio stations play the same 10-25 songs on repeat. Almost at the exact time every day. They may sprinkle in a "throwback" song, but it's only during specific times of the day. I have called in to a radio station that was playing "My Universe" one time because I was SHOCKED! I also heard "Seven" once recently and was again shocked. Happy, but shocked. Unfortunately, I cannot claim to be an OG ARMY, but from all of the content that I've seen, they seem very sincere and focused. I find it hard to believe that they didn't have any input into how their music was promoted, packaged, etc. They also seem to be very respectful and do their best to not bring shame to their families, the group, the company or their country, but I've seen them speak up/speak out about things that they didn't think fit BTS. I've watched many @boracitymagazine videos and have always been impresed with the amount of detail and research that has been put into each one of them. It is hard for me to see some of these comments because I think, did this person even watch the video? Have they even seen any of the other @boracitymagazine videos!?!?!
Each of them have their own vision as solo artists. Army should just trust them to do what the think is best for them and what makes them happy. They have more than 10 years of experience in the industry to back them up. Just enjoy what they have given us and continue to love them unconditionally.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
People should learn that there are hundreds of music genres and not all of them are mainstream and not everyone has to like the same genre. And that makes music versatile, that makes BTS chapter 2 beautiful as each of them pursue different genres to highlight their personal colors, 7 unique pieces. Sadly, solo stans do not respect their individuality or appreciate what content they are blessed with in the limited remaining time with BTS, they only look to the grass on the other side and obsessed about other member's success. They talk as if they could run the company better, accuse the company of paying sh*t, making up lies and harrass other members if they dare standing out. What's the point? Each genre needs different marketing tactics based on its targeted audience. When will people start listening to their music out of enjoyment instead of responsibility, obsession and spite?
I guess it's not really about the promotions that they want clarifications about. The promos, of course, the members chose them. But how do you explain the clear disparity in distribution? Late shippings? No restock? Late digital store? HYBE could have done so much better.
Like Crazy is synth pop, The Astronaut is pop rock, Seven is UK garage pop. All 3 are pop songs but guess which song got proper playlisting and radio play? And guess which song you all are calling "gp friendly" while completely ignoring the 2 other songs?
@allisfair yes, the astronaut was shipped to the US more than a month after release, 3D had 80k on stock while fans had to beg them to restock Like Crazy and the initial stock for it was like 20 or 30k? There's clearly a difference in treatment
RM's album is amazing. I am from the US, but the interviewers in the US usually ask the dumbest superficial questions. The US is not the end all of music. I trust BTS to do what they want to do. We can support them all while still having a favorite genre style. We are allowed to feel a certain way as well.
Also, i can imagine them discussing about how "boring" it'd be for us if all 7 did the same exact type of promotions. All 7 albums in a matter of a year and a half being released in the same exact way. I myself truly wouldn't have a problem with that and I'm sure yall wouldn't either but putting myself in their shoes i'm pretty damn sure that's how they'd think. They always like doing the most for us, and that includes doing the biggest variety of content possible, just like how Taehyung said he tried doing contents we'd like to see from him, or how Jimin said he wanted to see ARMYs at music shows
@@hafsahjawed.s9224 as a Jimin biased, i get that, i truly do. And i'm so glad the hype around his album didn't fade at all which just proves that with more promotion it'd be even more of a huge success. I was just talking under someone else's comment in here about how the management for each member might not be the exact same and we can't possibly know how BigHit deals with that. If it's different production/art director or if it's an entirely different team still within BigHit. We do know Taehyung worked with Min Heejin and Jungkook's working more closely to Scooter Braun, and we can understand their promotional styles way easier than the other members because we have this information. All we know is that Jimin said he chose to work with in-house BigHit producers. I also think it's important to point out that 9 days IS a very short period but Jimin worked /so hard/ every single day, if you've watched his behind the scenes. Set Me Free pt. 2 required so much from him especially, he had the most difficult song to promote out of all the members, the choreo is insane. So in regards of his health it could possibly be too much to extent his promotional schedule, but that's just a guess. We do have his documentary coming up and award shows season (maybe even new music because of those "#ThisIsJimin" videos) so we'll hopefully see more of Jimin before he enlists. It's a learning process, Chapter 2 is new not only for us but for BTS and their teams. I choose to be understanding and supportive, it can't be easy to do what they're doing.
@@lovelyy6491 i think people also forget BTS have been doing this for 10 years, i think it's okay if they don't want an average kpop promotion since they're already quite popular and promoting can take a lot of energy
@@lexsunsh1nepeople completely disregard that BTS are grown intelligent, successful and experienced adults who can make their own decisions and don't need to listen to Sarah from Mississippi for advice 🥴
How some yall will still find a way to put down all the members that aren't your favorite by calling your fav the most talented, most deserving and greater than the others is beyond me. Why are yall making it a competition when its clear they all have different styles and target audiences? There's literally no need to pit them against each other. Their goals are different and if they all wanted the same thing, they'd be doing that. It's not that they can't, it's that they each want something different. Hence, the different promotion strategies.
I saw a comment yesterday saying she will only support V alone. I had to remind her they are 7 and a true ARMY will love and support all 7 solo albums passionately.
@@beany1944 That's crazy because V himself has said himself "we are seven, please support us all". they don't actually care about what the member has to say
as a girl who has been into boy groups for years, not just kpop groups- one of the biggest things you learn is that every member has their own style and target audience. as an army for 6 yrs, nothing about anything they did confused me because most of the members already had pretty defined styles and ways. only thing that actually shocked me (not in a bad way) at first was jk’s explicit lyrics and it was only because he’s never done a song like that before but like he said in his live “how old am i?”. jungkook is a grown man and i think one of the reasons some army don’t like his explicit music is because they’re used to his cookie cutter golden maknae baby act that he gave us when he was 20. they just refuse to let that man be grown, he’s not a kid anymore. anyways, i personally love all of the members solo projects and if you are a lover of music and art too then you’d love their music for what it is and not how they’re promoted or where it charts.
Explicit and dirty are different things. The irony with JK is that this explicit version is also very dirty and he as a non-native speaker can not understand how it sounds for a native. Having explicit lyrics to express yourself is fine. In the context of the song it was f-ing disgusting. I wish him all the best, but I couldn't listen to the song.
@@Yosya8059Bro, so many artists have way more explicit stuff in their songs. It's just not on your face kinda lyrics as the non explicit version has the same meaning under the lyrics.
It's not even about his age or refusing to let him grow. I feel like this hasn't really been said, but most ARMYs really values the meaningful and deep lyrics of BTS music, so Jungkook having a sexual/dirty song is too shocking and other ARMYs are just simply not comfortable with it. They just can't like it. I mean, BTS has an obvious horny teen song before when they were just rookies which could be deemed daring/controversial to kpop. But despite that, "War of Hormone" is still well loved since it's a fun song and even relatable to others, especially that it's written by the members. "Seven" is obviously just too different since it's written by westerners that's why it didn't feel like himself. His own written solo songs before have meanings and emotions, but "Seven" is so westernized and mainstream just like common western artists who sings/raps about sex all the time, that's why other ARMYs find it disappointing when his solo debut should have been more special.
@@Whalien-jb7gf You're just projecting YOUR thoughts about what Jungkook is like and what type of music he likes. HE chose the song so obviously it resonates with him even if he didn't personally write it. Stop being a little child about it. It's okay to admit that you don't like his music, you don't have to spin some sort of fiction about it "not being the true him" lmfao.
@@Yosya8059you’re being so overly dramatic. It’s embarrassing 😂. I find it hilarious that the fans are so scandalized about this. What a bunch of puritans. What’s so disgusting about sex with someone you love/like? You all are weird. As if you’ve never had sex or heard people talking about it. The only jk’s song that is very explicit and sexual is seven. And even in this song i find the lyrics are more sensual than dirty. It’s pathetic how much scandalized people are over this.
The only thing I would emphasize is that Jack In The Box did count for charts- it just didn’t count for the US Billboard 100 or 200 charts! We need to be careful that we do not hold western charts as more superior than others such as Circle or Gaon which is exclusive to South Korea.
Totally agree with you that the US chart is not the only one that matters. Actually, in my country UK, Kpop physical albums do not count for our charts because the randomised photo cards disqualify them. So even if Hobi had released a CD initially, it wouldn't have made any difference in the 3rd biggest music market in the world (unless they took out all the photo cards, stickers etc). His digital albums (from iTunes, Amazon, Qobuz, 7digital etc.) did count, though.
@@troublemaker5749no where in my comment did I say they didn’t care about US charts. I think you’re arguing a completely different point that doesn’t even pertain to this comment in the slightest.
didn't count for the US bb 100 or 200 charts bc he didnt have a digital store for the album and his songs MORE and ARSON unlike the others. have you noticed this difference between them?
@@ParkingAjamal He didn't have a digital store for More, unlike other mmbr's singles, and the digital store he got for JitB was 5 days late and only came because fans (mostly solos) complained so fiercly to geffen records. To think you are making some sort of gotcha to @ilyhsk1 to prove that people are lying about how JitB was mismanaged by admitting that the digital store was late unlike every other release (even ots only got a digital store 2 or 3 days before release) by other members is rather daft. There were varying pre sale time periods for other releases digital stores (while they were allowed digital stores) but none were as badly handled as JitB. At the VERY least the way JitB was handled (the multiple mismanagement issues) should have had the purples up in arms fighting for hb to apologise and do better by j-hope, all other fandoms be they kpop or western artists would have done so. Instead purples attacked anyone who did and supported hb instead of j-hope and to this day the majority of the fandom refsue to acknowldege that it was at the very least mismangaged. Heaven forbid the purple mob ever stand up for and fight for j-hope. You haven't in 10 yrs, you never will.
Thank you for being the voice of reason for ARMY. The boys have all said that they’ve been in control of their solo projects and promotions. How frustrating it must be for them to read some of the nonsense spewed by their ‘fans’ in their name 😒 the boys are all different and equally brilliant. Trust them. Listen to them. Love them. Or… 👋🏼 Love you @boracitymagazine You are brilliant as well! 💜💜💜
Really, then why did Jimin state that his promotion was too short........also, he asked for more mv's for his songs and his snake company told him no. You need to do more research on what's really going on!
Why are you so annoying. Jimin decide his own promotion. Each bts members was given a budget. They decided their own promotion and told bighit what they wanted. Bighit never does more then 3 music videos for solo. Jimin did a callobations song with taeoyong from big bang. Plus he had to callobations for fast and furuos.
Face is easily one of the best albums made and released in the whole BTS universe. The fact that it's so personal yet so cohesive, Jimin is so underestimated for his musicality and versatility, this man has always released bangers and every single song he has released so far is so different from each other while still having that Jimin effect. It's thought provoking.
@@stargazing2628 FACE in it’s entirety is a game changer in storytelling, unique sound, lyrics and concept. Jimin has proved that he is an amazing lyricist and song writer. I had been waiting for Jimin to release his own music for years, not only did he meet my expectations but he exceeded them in every way imaginable. It is the best album that I have heard in a very long time.
As someone who's been in ARMY for a long time the changes our fandom had is tremendous and it is progressive as well. I can see our fam growing into a stage we no longer stress on Billboard, Grammy and streams, just loving and supporting our boys bring us the success. I believe we will reach that level fam Fighting 🫶
We will not because only jk benefits from this. Why would I be a fan of not successful member after all of this? This group will be jk and friends after this politics because only his fans will support. Others will leave for better groups and biases who at least have future or leave kpop
@@ggerdagg I have been encountering opinions like this since their debut. But what I have seen over these years that unpopular members keep getting popular and the number of group stans increased. So with due respect I don't agree with you.
To the loser solos in the comment section: stop calling Jungkook the most successful member. Because that’s simply not true. You people keep forgetting that the music industry does not revolve around the American chart system. It’s also not just pop music. Just because JK is doing well in one genre, it doesn’t mean that the other members have failed.
Yeah I saw many people shade other members or even BTS as a group just coz of jk's western success like it really hurts when they do this and degrade other members hard work and efforts they put in their arts.
@@monikabishnoi7240 Exactly. The other members did really amazing when you take into consideration that they had to overcome many different obstacles. Like a non-radio-friendly music genre for their album or not having a white American man listed as a producer for their songs.
It's all about competition rather enjoying the music. The truth is jk is doing mainstream music unlike others ofcourse he will do greater numbers than others cause he attacks the general public which he wants,cause he said it. But doesn't make others flop. Do what it means to sell millions copies a day,selling arean concerts in just hours. Each member is doing great differently. But solos are just mentally sick
@@haifayassin2842 completely agree. But some people here and on Twitter really have the nerve to say that the other members are somehow failures just because their music isn’t main stream.
I'm so new to BTS! I have only listened to them for the past month. As I'm so new, I started with their solo music and I felt in love with each and every one of them. It really showed me their personalities and their kind of individual art, as I was getting to know them in their shows like Run BTS, In the soop, past interviews, etc. With that being said I LOVED THIS VIDEO so so soooo much. It is so well done and it shows your admiration and respect for this artist. I know I'm new (or baby army) but I love them so much and it makes me so happy when I see other people who love them as well and put their effort, passion and talent in giving good and respectfull information about them. THANK YOU for this video, for your time and professionalism 💜
15:07 I'm so proud of saying I'm one of those fans who really got it, who appreciated the lyrics and the meaningful interviews RM brought. I'm here for the music. 💜
All of this discourse gets shut down as soon as y'all start viewing BTS as the autonomous artists they've always said and proved that they are. They're adults who have been in this industry for a decade and know exactly what they are doing. You, however, know nothing. You don't know better than the boys themselves about promotion strategies and their own personal relationship with Bighit/Hybe. It is a genuine insult to their intelligence as grown adults and industry veterans whenever y'all insist on speaking over them. Trust and accept their decisions or leave because nobody wants to hear for the 1000th time why you think everything and anything is mistreatment.
YES! They are experienced adult professionals and we really need to stop treating them like our babies that we need to coddle. They know what they are doing.
Lovely comment. I truly don't understand this narrative of thinking that you as a fan understand the ins and outs of the music industry better than these people who have literally been in it for so many years, and who have come out on top. Our job as fans is to literally just trust them, as they've asked us to so many times, and support them best as we can in the things we are able to do, not look for things to complain about and cry mistreatment at every turn. Doing that just reflects poorly on no one but yourself.
Exactly I've been saying the same thing, our boys have different tastes, different strategies & their own choice. We know nothing about what happened to that damn company/level. But at least we should respect them & their choice. Just believe in our boys. They know what they want to do or what not. Just have some trust in our boys. If you can't believe in your idol then leave quietly cos nobody cares.
FACT: JIMIN DID THE MOST PROMOS IN THE SHORTEST TIME(exhausted me, exhausted him in appearance, he was so thin this period) - WHICH ALSO AS BORA SAID FRUSTRATED HER BUT "UNDERSTANDABLE" BECAUSE ANOTHER MEMBER'S CONCERT TOUR IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. WHAT WAS NOT MENTIONED WAS SUGA ADMITTING IN SUCHWITA TO RM THAT HE HAD TO DELAY HIS ALBUM'S RELEASE BECAUSE OF WRITER'S BLOCK AND THAT DELAY AFFECTED ONLY ONE MEMBER. I AGREE THEY CHOSE THEIR OWN MANNER OF PROMOTING BUT I DOUBT JIMIN CHOSE TO PROMOTE AT THIS BREAKNECK PACE PUTTING IN TOO MUCH IN SUCH SHORT TIME(he could've done less but we don't know about his or BH's commitment in these shows pre album release) where others are comfortable with the pacing of their promo, Jimin was not, it showed and said as much in his Weverse post. "Armys" gaslighting Jimin biased fans then who were complaining about the short promo period as if it wasn't true just shows that the fandom isn't truly OT7 anymore, they just won't care if it isn't their bias that is affected.
Thanks for the outstanding research! I've tried to explain this to many people. You cant compare apples to oranges. Each MEMBER is different. Like a lot of young BTS fans don't like V's new album. It's because it wasn't made for you... it was made for the RnB and Jazz lovers, who typically ARENT young teens. I am 53yrs old and I like everyone's solo project. I may not like a certain person's genre of music but I will support them anyways. I am not a solo stan. All 7 of the members did what THEY felt comfortable in doing. Love the research and I will be directing those naysayers to this video.
That's why she explained, that each is targeting their audience. That's why each member will succeed differently according to their audience. But I am happy each is doing well, but the ungrateful fans will very be happy cause they are just demanding rather than accepting what's given
This is literally the behaviour everyone is meant to have. You dont have to like everything that bts and thats okay, because bts is so diverse that there’s something for everyone. And that is what makes the special and that is the reason why we support them and make sure that their music reaches the audience it is intended for. Bangtan as 7 made music for everyone else but now its time they made music for themselves 💜
@sof1015 but let's be realistic, music is a business. Sometimes you need to do music that trends to gain money with a bigger audience, but doesn't mean you are less of an artist. At least the army know what bts is capable of doing.
I'm not a "jazz or rnb lover" but Taehyung definitely made me into one. All his songs grew on me randomly, lol. I started to listen to it when I'm driving, writing my schoolwork, or just relaxing. My appreciation for the album started with love me again, for us, blue, slow dancing and finally rainy days and I HATED rainy days...now I cannot go a day without playing it. This album is one of my favourite albums ever thanks to V.
@sandrauna7040 I was exactly the same about Rap and the rap line! Out of curiosity I started watching “Hobipalooza” fully expecting to stop after the first few minutes…1+hours later, I was so blown away by Hobi’s ability to command the stage, by his rap skills, his dance and moves as always so supreme! I was captivated and that made me do a 180 and now I appreciate and LOVE BTS rap line in particular (saw Suga in the US live and on the big screen) and the rap genre in general! I joke that it took 3 rappers rapping in a language I don’t understand to make me appreciate those that rap in a language I DO understand! I have loved and supported every member’s solo projects 💯 ! All of them different but perfect for THEM!💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
It won't because they insist on victimisation narratives even in the face of common sense and the literal words from the members themselves. Instead, this video should help armys who started to slowly believe solo narratives. Those are the people that should be impacted and hopefully deterred from ever believing them again.
Unfortunately not, 😔 they don't care about facts. They don't even care about there fave they just care about there own wants and needs. They also want something to brag about and compete with other solos with 😞 it would be amazing if those solos just shut up but 🤷🏻♀️
Sadly, I don't think so. They have a problem in their head. They are visual stans and because of that they say ridiculous things, they don't listen to their supposed favorite.
Yes its one of my absolute favorite songs i love it i listen to it every morning when i have to get out of the bus and walk the rest of the way to work it makes me feel good and puts me instantly into a good mood i am so greatful that this song exists
We armys are so lucky to stan a group full of members so different from each other. No other fan base has this variety of music and promo strategies to enjoy. I love the guys so much. They are such passionate artists
I have personally thought that each solo project really fits the personality of the artist... And I think your breakdown and explanation makes all the sense in the world. All they asked of us was to support and trust them... So that's not hard to do! They've literally never given us a reason not to trust them... on top of the fact that they trust and support each other! Im so proud of them, they all did an amazing job with their projects!
this video is genuinely so well thought out and clear I am stunned. Your attention to detail, commitment to studying every release strategy, and genuine love for every single bts member shine throughout the video. I am not an army or even a bts fan, but I do like some of their music, and having heard about the controversy surrounding bts solo promotions, I decided to click on this video. Everything was well put in a clear and concise manner for even non-armys to understand. i applaud your effort and commitment to making videos and the care you have for the members of bts. they are genuinely lucky guys to have you as a fan
it's all blind defending pathetic label ... how blind can you be to not see what happened with JIMIN he said it himself even then you guys not listening to him ..
@@hamii613bruh, Jimin himself said his promotion was too short, that he was denied to make more mvs for his album, when he had the vision. His super hit song was not even sent for radioplay despite their being heavy demand, LC was also not submitted for a VMA or a EMA, then these so called fans pretend to act shocked why he wasn't nominated while JK was and so was many nugu groups. The list is literally endless, it's not a propaganda. You'd have to be blind to not see the obvious partial behaviour of the company that pushes forward certain members and literally sabotages certain others.
What nonsense. All 7 bts members have said many times that had control over their own solo promotion. They made their own decisions. You can blame the company. The company did its job. The company payed for everything for your artists .
Very insightful and informative. Please people, don't try and keep the members in a "BTS" shaped box...we will lose them. If we say we love and admire them...but don't let them express their true selves...do we really love them or just the image we have constructed of them?
Exactly. I don't understand when people can't see the glaring irony in their arguments when they praise the members for their creative freedom but in the same vein victimize them for the method of promotion. It also angers me at the sense of entitlement these kind of solo stans feel, as if their idol owes them something or an explanation for their choices. They just need to learn to enjoy the ride and not have the mentality of wanting to fix something. I guess that type of mindset stems from solo stans using their idols and achievements as playing cards to one up each other rather than appreciating the idol's work - I guess over time that is why they become rude, defensive, or offensive (sometimes uncouth) and victimize.
26:42 For Jungkook's solo promo I wanted to add that most akgaes'/solo antis' and overly biased stans' main complaint was jungkook received biasness from hybe, more playlisting and radio from hybe. I would like to say that in one of Jungkook's recent weverse lives he said that he wanted to be "mainstream" and "a big popstar" as a solo artist. So the aggressive western marketing in the form of radio and playlisting similar to butter and dynamite that is being done is in line with the vision he has for himself as a solo artist. He is not being favored by hybe. People reaally think that if other bts members demand mainstream promo from hybe, the company will ignore them?? That's ridiculous. They are hybe's main moneymakers
@@vijayalakshmir8492 weverse live - 20th July (he mentioned he wants to be a global popstar) All members have their own view and their own colours, and I for one, can't wait to witness and experience their art~
All the BTS members reflect on the type of music they listen & enjoy, same with Jungkook he has alway leaned towards mainstream artists Justin Bieber, Charlie Puth, Ariana Harry Styles, etc. You can also see the type of music he listens & covers in live, most of them are trendy songs or from the mainstream artists like Stay, Hold on, Falling, we don't talk anymore etc. I've also seen people complaints about Jk singing in English just like BTS when they did dynamite, I always wonder why people don't have a problem when BTS or Jk sing in Japanese did they think all asian language are same but have a problem when they sing in English, they also don't have problems when they cover English songs by Western artists it only happens when they release their own English song. Now in 2023 we really need to end this discourse and except that BTS are global artists & they can sing in whatever language they choose to sing whether it is Korean, Japanese, English or Spanish (Chicken Noodles Soup)
@@BsjsiGsusus very true, it's always refreshing to see what they come up with. Be it in Korean, Japanese, Spanish, English or any other language for that matter. It's their art they choose to share w us, I don't see any problem w it
I guess what people find frustrating is that HYBE could have done so much better and more. When Jimin released Like Crazy, it was so successful that he could have made another week in the top 10 had HYBE did more for him. His albums were never restocked. And don't tell me this is on Jimin. For sure Jimin said, "Okay! Don't restock my albums." Yes he definitely said that 😬 When some people on Twt asked Hybe to atleast put LC on TTH, everyone was saying "You're going against what BTS stands for" and suddenly when JK had all the playlisting, radio support and ads, everyone was celebrating. The hypocrisy is just so astounding. This debate over the solo promotions is not more about the members but about the company and how "Armys" treated each solo release. If you can't accept that there is a clear disparity between the support of each release, you're definitely delusional or maybe just a heavily JK biased.
I agree with FACE ending too fast as Jimin got only 9 days for promotion but the album is a masterpiece achieving many records and Hybe should have promoted for more days but though it's ended fast, Like Crazy still maintaining the impact even after 6 months which was also #1 on BB Hot 100, Jimin being the first K-Soloist to do that FACE got 1.2B streams being the fastest album by a K-Soloist. Everything proves Jimin's musicality and I am sure he has a bright futire in music industry.
Also, let's not forget how a lot of people jumped to the conclusion that Hobi was being mistreated for not having a physical album (despite him saying multiple times that he took care of every single detail of his debut) only for him to say in the letter of JITB Hope Edition that he felt he "disappointed us" for CHOOSING not to release Jack In The Box originally that way. We, as a fandom, need to start to pay more attention to what the members are saying than to waste time listening to miserable solos who only care about the idea they created of them in their heads to fit their pathetic savior agenda (not to mention those who more than anything want to see them fail in the hopes their true faves will have a chance in the sun).
Yes I remember at the time thinking oh I love physical albums but if you've chosen to do a digital Album I'll not complain I'll make sure I steam even harder. Then he bought one out and I had mixed feeling about it happy for myself that I could now get hold of a physical copy while feeling guilty as he did that against his wishes just to please people like myself. I felt I was being rather selfish tbh.
Thank you Boracity for this thorough analysis of this whole issue .. there are a lot of children and solo stans who don't understand the music industry and they don't realise as yet that BTS are very strategic in their planning .. these people find everything and anything to complain about .. why not just trust BTS like RM says, they know what to do, when to do and how to do it .. just trust them people 👍👍💜💜💜💜
I think one of the biggest mistakes ARMYs do is that they assume ALL numbers are bought about by ARMYs, and that we carry their entire success on our backs🤡 like, if we had that much power, us streaming albums top to bottom debut week would result in equal numbers across the board which they NEVER do....ergo GP plays a massive role. the songs that are GP's taste/trend WILL do better irrespective of what we like or do. id see ARMYs talk day and night about a fan fave song ....but spotify wont reflect correspondingly high numbers ....just cos the fandom liked louder than bombs doesn't mean the GP did too ykwim?? pop albums will 100% do better. rap usually does better too, but lbr its only when u are an established rap artist or have good radio to get the music out there. the best ARMYs can do is boost the songs to increase their visibility....but it simply won't have the same growth as pop genre songs do🤷🏻♀️ also, ARMYs need to let go sometimes and just enjoy it as they planned, especially if its giving you so much stress that you cant enjoy it. we do our best with whats given and we're sad that goals are/aren't met....after the appr despair, WE NEED TO MOVE ON, and not dwelve on it, it drags everyone else down. the way some of yall move trynna control all aspects, from album release to promo schedules, yall giving borderline manti
The thing is jk known to gp more. But so much armys dont accept that. Thats something normal. And like you said we should let it and enjoy. They are doing so many things for fans to enjoy.
Wow! I am so happy that finally I see a very objective and rounded analysis of this topic, and so eternally grateful to Bora City ! I was so done with reading posts and tweets from SOME solo stans (not ARMYs) who tried means and ways to create comparisons, complaints and divides. But this video is really a saviour, the 7 members are creating solo musics because of their immense love for their art , not because they are set to break each others' neck and comparing numbers. They have more depth and substance than some of the naysayers think. This video got to be shared as widely as possible and it's the best one to the antis whenever such ridiculous statements about favouritism is brought up. I can't fathom how far the antis/ toxic solos can go in hoping and pushing for their favourites to break away from BTS, even after BTS announced they are re-contracting, there are these group of solos who are not happy. ARMYs who truly love BTS and the members must unite and continue to give positive vibes and support to them, just like the purple coloour of the rainbow, trust and love them for a long long time, Borahae 💜
I remember when Jungkook did a show and he asked a member of longstanding kpop group Shinhwa how to have longevity as a group. And he responded by saying that they all viewed each other's individual successes as success for the group as a whole. BTS aren't looking at their solo careers as a competition between each other. When 1 member does well they all celebrate the success and are happy for that member. That kind of mentality is important if you want to remain a group for a long time, you can't develop a big ego or become jealous of others. For them BTS is number 1 and their solo music is secondary, not the other way around.
Shinhwa has some wonderful music! I have liked them for quite awhile. Bts covered their "Perfect Man" extremely well! Their, (Shinhwa's) version is really Good...✌💜💜💜
@@gustericaaaohh so other 6 works hard for 10 years to not be successful what is this irony is just that other are satisfied with the success they have while
10:25 I just wanna add, even though astronaut was meant for army, it actually did succeed in attracting an audience outside of the fandom mainly because of the name Coldplay attached to it. It released the same day as Rihanna's song for Black Panther but still did really well. Many liked it.
They have always told us that they put their personal tastes aside to make BTS’ music. Why is anyone surprised that their individual music is different? 🤦🏾♀️
So true how can this people say that this member Dont want be successful and other member want be so sucessful because one said it and other don't dose not make them less ambitious or anything they work hard for those years for it if this people think 6 members wants to be indie singers then why are they launching merch and all its just that even the the channel owner is also bias toward a same member as company favours that the issue
@@DD-fh6uj No one works hard for 10 years with everything they have to be fail yes they don't shout out that loud doesn't mean they want to fail if they seriously don't want be in race they could have already quit and i think every member have enough money so they settle for all the life they are working because they want be successful
Exactly. Just because the other members aren't as loud as JK wanting to be a giant pop star it doesn't mean they don't want to be successful. I won't be surprised if hybe is behind this video.
Thank you for this discussion. I am new relatively to the whole K-pop scene, and certainly to BTS. A few months ago I was hospitalized and mini mini hours of sleeplessness and boredom. I found myself searching through TH-cam and stumbled on some of the early BTS videos. I am fascinated by the absolute passion, energy, artistic development, loyalty and dedication to their crafts that these young people have displayed over all these years. they have certainly deserved every award they have received, and every acclamation of praise for their dedication to their families, brotherhood, and country. The fact that they all have represented their company, their communities, their country in so many ways is astounding. Each of them deserve the title Icons for all they have shared, and continue to share with the world. One of my favorite videos is that one that records the speech at the United Nations. The message was clear, heartfelt, and so impressive. I have been confused why anyone would not see these young people as individuals, with their talents, dreams and hopes, continue to share with the whole world what they have to offer. I am blessed as is the rest of the world for their part in it. Again, thank you for breaking this down because it needed to be said. I’m looking forward to many many more hours of watching these tremendously talented individuals sometimes to the amusement of my grand children exclamation
This video is a ray of light amid the constant guilt-tripping and lying going on in the fandom. Thank you!! And thank you so uch for the closed captions :')
You know if everyone, solos/antis and fans, just listened to what BTS have been saying since June 2022 and onward we would not have any misconceptions. There should be no confusion on how these promotions rolled out if everyone listened to each of the members words coming from their own mouths. Instead, solos/antis throw out the words sabotage and corrupt faster than you can say hello instead of thinking about what they're actually saying. To everyone like me and many other ARMYs who are only listening to the BTS members and actually official sources, we are having a peaceful time enjoying their music and solo content/promotions with ease and we are constantly reassured of their reunion with no doubts that they will together for a very long time 💜
LOVED this comment. I have loved BTS' solo journeys, but I have to admit, JK's direction was not what I had envisioned. Despite that, I don't want to miss out on this chapter of his life by complaining. This is what he chose and how he wants to express himself. I don't get into all of the chart wars and conspiracy theories. This only temporary anyway, they'll all be in the military soon and hopefully be reunited in a couple years. Your post gave me a lot of peace though. Thank you!❤
Too right! Life's too short and we have no time for that nonsense. I am too busy enjoying the solo projects AND going back to my favourites among their earlier stuff so life is good 😊
you know, if everyone, solos, antis and fans, used their brains for once and did not just eat up the bullshit the company PR department puts out, you'd understand that those men have much less control over their lives and their promotions than most of you think. Well, with the exception of Papi Bongo's favorite child Mimi and the two company shills Suga and RM.
No idea why even after watching this video only a handful people understood the content. Most are still acting as solo stans as if they are too deaf and blind to understand the reality. It actually hurts to see the fandom fighting against each other but it has become an everyday story since a while😢 Even BTS seem to be tired of us at this point because even when they try to make us understand everytime that BTS is 1 we still act the same.
The obsession for charts is the main problem to most,they see other members as a threat to their favourite, instead of just enjoying the music as it is
It's their want to see their fav on the top for their own ego satisfaction and nothing more. For example, tae himself said in his live that he don't want to travel for hours for promotions when he can do much here itself. And US had a writer's strike as well. So traveling there for any kind of promotions is useless. And did he sat even for a day during that 1 and half months of promotions. No. He was doing everything for the album. But still his solos are saying he wanted global success but company didn't gave him that. F*** that. You failed as his Stan. You can't even know what he want for himself. Tae always wanted things in his own pace. He always wanted to achieve stuffs one by one. You know this if you have watched his interviews, bts' docus and lives. But will people understand? A big no. That's the example of solos stans. If one solos is like this, imagine other 6. Hobi himself had to confront this in his documentary and how sad he was with the response. But will fans understand??? Those stans who want that global success to their fav like kook, or those who want concert like suga, etc.. are actually not ready to respect their own fav. They are insulting their fav's decisions and choices. That's it
Thank You. 💜 Finally a voice of reason! I was getting tired of hearing ppl (some who've followed BTS for a while) bagging the company for lack of support. It's like they forget this is the members Solo period. As BTS, the company had main control & members contributed. But as Soloists the members are in control & the company is supporting.!
You know when layover era started I was so happy, I'm not even taehyung biased but I was very excited about his debut. Maybe music taste is similar to his, that's why. Then I saw the news bighit won't promote him cause his promotional activities will be handled by min hee jin. I was little bit disappointed but was happy because taehyung must've wanted this. Then love me again and rainy days dropped. I LOVED the songs. They were so easy to listen to, no auto tune, nothing. Then days passed and bighit wasn't moving at all. No billboards, no posts from greffen. Well I thought wait maybe minheejin is handling it differently. Then the numbers came out the next day. It's quite good for slow songs like these. But what shocked me was US armys. Love me again charted on us Spotify with less than 300k. It's the least for any BTS releases. Mind you, jimin's bsides got 400k least( just using as example). Then I'm like okay , maybe because it's a surprise release that's why they couldn't prepare. But I remembered how armys streamed for BTS no matter what. After few days everything became more clear to me. How different armys were becoming. How differently armys acted towards taehyung, they started to ignore his related posts. I was calm still. Then layover dropped. The title track slow dancing. It got 300k from US armys. A title track. Then they dropped it next day. US armys mocked , criticised and bullied Viet and Thai armys for their streaming method. When Thai and Viet armys gave taehyung their biggest streams. You are probably wondering why I am only talking about US armys. It's because they ran this fandom. They decide which member gets praised for something and which not. They only move when bighit tells them to move. Majority of them are shippers but act like they are the ot7. Pretend all you want, but at the end you won't be able to hide it. Anyways then the sales thing happened. Which was at first v chinabars fault. But then shipments got cancelled cause bighit was unable to ship the PREORDER I repeat pre-ordered albums. Greffen aka BTS us label didn't post anything about taehyung til the last day of the tracking week. The last day. Nothing from us came. Do BTS members calls billboard company for ads? Isn't it bighit's job to at least put a billboard for their artists? Anyways let's not blame bighit. Let's talk about how armys energy was completely different when it comes to taehyung. Specially after those rumours. You come here and tell me layover era was easy cause you choose not to see what happened everyday with his album and how his fanbases had to beg armys to participate but no one did. How other members magazine covers got more attention from armys then taehyungs song?? You guys did the same thing with D-day too. Completely abandoned yoongi . Taehyung had 50k stock for slow dancing CDs, Us armys didn't move, they are still not sold out. But for Jungkook they already bought 60k within the 2nd day. Yes jungkook has the GP support but GP isn't buying CDs. Armys are. Everyone is comparing taehyung and jungkook on chart. But did taehyung get several remixes? Did taehyung get singles ? Did taehyung get collaboration from Western artist ever in his 10 year career? Did bang pd come to taehyung with songs? No but jungkook did. Then why compare? Why can't armys give the effort to taehyung when they can see that taehyung isn't being pushed by his label? Why the lack of energy for taehyung? Why did armys disappear whole August and September for taehyung but suddenly active now. Is it because of bighit? Do you realise how important role bighit plays? Even if members choose to go different ways for promotion, it's bighit's job to give the same energy and enthusiasm for each debut. Because that's when armys move. Layover is a beautiful album, probably my 2nd top album of this year. No. 1. Is indigo. But this debut made me realise armys aren't really ot7 , they pretend like they are, so that they can police other armys. I actually cried several times this month cause taehyung really deserved better although his album , all his song did so good on charts. He got everything he wanted. He wanted everyone to focus on every song, look how every songs are doing so well globally excluding US. But the energy can not be hidden. Your favouritism cannot be hidden. Difference in energy between 2 weeks ago and now is so transparent.
I agreee with you, army's are bunch of hypocrite who only put efforts for their fav members nd these big accounts with massive following do this. They just give their all for certain members. It really hurts to see how they ignore few members hard work and efforts so easily.
Thank you for your response. I appreciate your candor without a lot of bashing. I am US ARMY and this is my point of view. I really enjoy BTS music, some songs more than others. Once they announced their solo activities I knew the music I would enjoy more. I like pop music. I can listen to it all day and never get bored. I bought all the members music but I cannot stream the rap line as much as the vocal line. RM’s Wildflower surprised me. I love that song. That is an exception. Now the vocal line. I streamed Jin a lot but decreased when Indigo dropped. Then Vibe and On The Street dropped. There were too many songs to stream. When Jimin’s album dropped and Spotify, Billboard and TH-cam were playing games I dropped all songs but Jimin’s to get him to do well. Everyone was surprised he got number one. Spotify and TH-cam continued their games for three weeks with deleting streams and views. It was crazy. When Suga’s first song dropped only a week after Like Crazy I figured most ARMY would flock to Suga and Jimin still needed support. Plus I love Jimin’s songs and rap is really not my thing. IU has a great voice but I don’t favor her music. I figured Suga solo Stan’s and IU fan base would help Suga’s music and Jimin needed more help after all the bad press with his tumble down the Billboard chart and no more promotions. When JK’s song dropped, the streams for Like Crazy dropped. I figured pop music lovers like me switched to new music. JK’s song did so well I stayed mostly with Jimin to keep him afloat. Then V dropped his music. Again, I am a pop fan, not R&B. Also, I figured, V would do well since he seems to have the most solo stans. Like Crazy streams dropped steeply when V’s music dropped. Like Crazy fell off the Artist chart. I streamed Jimin’s music even more to try and counter the fall. I am saying all this to at least show that I am not trying to undermine other BTS members, I just like what I like and have supported all members with purchases but I am only going to listen to songs that make me happy, especially if I need to do it on repeat.
US army's are biased towards to JK and Jimin. I remember their solo songs euphoria, my time, filter, serendipity sold 500k units in America euphoria sold 1M units none of the other members get those numbers except j-hope mixtape that also sold 1M units. My time and filter also enter in billboard hot 100.
@@michellem6826LC charted 180+ days on spotify it's one of the longest charting Korean song and he charted 188 days on artist chart the only soloist to do so, if he left the chart he needed to release new music again it happened to other artist too.
Solos want their favourite member to be mistreated so bad so they can swoop in and "save" him. Instead of enjoying the music, they pick apart every little thing!!
they want the "X member needs to leave BTS" narrative because they are majority kpopies undercover, they want BTS to disband and token stan one member (sometimes two, especially bc ml stans are full of shippers) lmao
This is a great start point to begin the talk on solo stans, it has become a HUGE problem within the fandom. If solo stans were just over there somewhere enjoying the one member's works that'd be alright (although very weird to not like the other 6 but i digress) but they are ingrained in our army spaces, ruining our peace and being highly disrespectful and hateful towards the other members. We need to talk about this because BTS don't deserve the mess that this fandom has become.
Also Armys forget preference.. these boys have all made their solo debut with the different styles and genres that will not appeal to everyone.. I liked Jimin’s music a lot,I also like some of Jhope’s and RM’s.. I like seven from JK but 3D is not doing it for me at all and I couldn’t connect with V’s songs except for slow dancing..the others were just not it for me and that’s okay.. It doesn’t mean I didn’t support them or don’t love em or they’re being sabotaged.. some armys need to chill..
Facts. Any practical music listener is always prepared for certain things by their favs to not resonate with them. It's so normal it's almost boring to think about. But yeah, being the ARMY I am I still buy and run my streaming playlists to support. And then I use my actual listening playlists for the songs I like. There's no need to do mental gymnastics and come up with wild excuses for why a member "didn't really like the song" or "they were forced to release it" just because you're not vibing with that particular one.
@marygalligan6455 Every member is not the same. They designed and requested the promo they wanted, that was most comfortable for them in this new solo territory. At this point it's either you believe what the members say about their solo desires and learn to accept that some don't match yours. Or you just do not care what they say. BTS are practically BEGGING us to trust their words and so many ARMY proclaim all day that they do. Yet, still, the complaints of favoritism persist. The constant crys of, "yeah but, yeah but, what about...?" I wish y'all would just say you don't believe them and go. Say you think they have no freedom and are just lying to us every time they go live. Say you think their decisions are wrong and that they don't really know what's best for them. Because I'm so tired of the "just saying" crowd. The ones that try not to sound like mantis and solos but have the same arguments in the end.
@marygalligan6455 I'm not new so I've heard all these excuses before, for years. You brought up JK's promo (stop being a coward and say his name) to elude to it being out of favoritism and not simply the choices JK made. Choices the others encouragd him to make, choices he was inspired to make by watching his brothers, choices the other sincerely congratulated him for. These thinly veiled slights your contingent make are child's play and insulting to BTS' support of each other - not to mention their continued trust in their label and crew. Say what you mean outright or say nothing. If you actually respect BTS and their decisions, you'll do at least that much. And telling me your age only makes your comments all the more disappointing.
Boracity, you have the most analytical and comprehensive musical content I’ve ever seen on TH-cam. Please never stop💜 This video was so needed. Thank You.
It always makes me laugh when I see comments like "The company isn't doing anything, -insert member- is doing it all themselves". Because who the heck do these people think set up all the promos in the first place? Do these solos think Taehyung wandered into that cave and casually asked a random worker if he could set up his mic and cameras? Anyway I've said it multiple times, but I will NEVER forgive those "solos" who made Hoseok feel bad for "not doing enough", to the point where he felt he had to apologise, especially knowing he always had the plan to release a physical copy after he enlisted. Their promotions were so very 'them'. The fact that there are people who can't see that is baffling. If 'you' feel that way then you clearly don't pay attention.
While I agree with a lot of this video I have to disagree about Taehyung's album debut. There really was sabotage. From under-stocking pre-ordered albums. China V bar his largest fan club having more than half of their 815,000 album order cancelled so he lost the Hanteo chart first day sales record. - deletion of whole day Spotify streams -No promotion by Geffen in USA they also delayed delivery of his CDs so it didn't go to BB charts. -Target hiding his album. -sandwhiching his album between seven, JHope's album from yr before re-released only 2 weeks before Layover & 2 weeks after his album they released 3D. They could have spaced this out better JITBC had a whole yr to be released why wait until Tae's debut, Seven could been released before as Suga's album was released in April there were 3 months there was nothing else released. There was a lot more done than this it would be a very long answer.
At last someone making total sense. I wish the solos and children would listen. The complainers don’t understand market segmentation. The reason they have said their team is so strong is because they each have areas in which they shine and don’t overshadow each other.
I am so happy that they got to show their special colors and talents like this! We all knew, but they themselves needed to self validate and prove to themselves that they were capable. And now they're starting to pursue other goals, both individually and as a team. Future is looking good for Army! We have BTS! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
My Most favorite Promotion era was For Taehyung.... So Many Shows that he prepared for us. I had so much fun. I also loved how Hobi & JK did Festivals. I need all the members to do more Live shows. Thags the best they are in.
@@sofUs_2by your logic bts every song should have similar results right? .... Also it's impossible to like all the songs equally.... I'm pretty sure you yourself don't listen to all V's song equally..... Accept it or not this fandom has more pop lovers so pop songs do well.....(tbh majority of the world population loves pop). Dreamers and people pt.2 didn't even debut in hot100. Sometimes the contents and the song itself matters too.....
@@sofUs_2 Oh, he did a ton of content, no one questions that. But he did no US promos AT ALL. He had no radio play, not a single US spin. He got on the 100 on sales alone. And that's actually a remarkable achievement for a non-American artist, especially when the song isn't in English. You ought to know by now how the US music industry behaves towards K-pop, and how irrelevant the chart is when it comes to REAL popularity. If BB doesn't want you on the charts, BB will find a way not to put you there, and that's the end of it. What you should be proud of, and praising ARMY for, is that he ran second in sales to Olivia Rodrigo. And SHE released TWENTY-TWO versions of her album PLUS bundles. V got #2 with a *single* version of LayoVer and *no* bundles- the HONEST way- and that's amazing.
I would go even as far as to say that their strategy for this chapter 2 is "divide and conquer". They're not just re-introducing themselves and their own unique color to the industry as soloists, but with each solo project they're all promoting to different audiences and niches of music, thus exposing not only them but also the group to new people who perhaps would initially be put off with the huge statement that is BTS, only this way could look at them in a different light and become potential fans. This kind of soft promotion will bring them new waves of fans even during hiatus and chances are these people will be seated (or even fully dedicated ARMY) when they all return as a group. They're clearly playing the long game and as they said at 2022 FESTA, that's their goal: longevity! It's genius, really! Instead of trying to victimize them as if they were innocent to an industry they are a part of for more than a decade, we should celebrate and respect them for the smart, resourceful and insightful artists they truly are.
Fist bump! Thought the same thing. I was shocked when some 'ARMYs' were upset with JK for singing BTS songs in the Global Citizen concert because 'only BTS should perform BTS songs' when that was part of the genius plan to get BTS songs and name continued during the hiatus.
Well said. As each one has debuted & had a different vibe, I was thinking the same thing. Our very smart boys/men & their brilliant BigHit strategists. They most definitely know what they're doing.... and probably have their next 10-20 years outlined as well!😁 (Their business prowess is one of the reasons I love & respect them so much. Not only extremely talented, smart, & philanthropic, but business savvy. Wish I was 30+ years younger because they are well rounded (& yet still fallible) role models.) Wishing them long, happy careers, whatever form that should take.
Thank you that's exactly what I thought too Divide and conquer without pressuring the members to do what they are not comfortable with Whoever can take this part should take it and who cannot would take another part according to their ambitions
Well Billboard clearly was racist to him and LC is a Korean song radios didn't want to play it It was a hit but not as big as seven in terms of streams. I know you think hybe is big but Billboard is ×10 bigger The song had already dropped sure they would have restocked CDs so it could rise but Billboard sabotage was clear to everyone that could see. And army's tried their best the song lasted I think 5 weeks on hot 100. Seven lasted longer on playlist because it had numbers If not it wouldn't have been able to get TTH no 1 after 8 weeks when it deserved it from the beginning if Spotify was a correct app
@@nakeyo27 estuvo en las más grandes listas de SP y tuvo radios... Eso también impulso los puntos en BB. Aparte de las ventas que Hybe no reabastecio los CD de LC pero de 7 si... Army y los solos de Jimin pidieron en Twitter por meses a la empresa y solo se pudo con Seven e Indigo... Así que si, la empresa no ayudó a Jm... (Aparte de la entrevista Japonesa).
So many lovers of J. Cole discovered J-Hope as well as BTS from J-Hope's collab with J. Cole. Those with TH-cam channels thanked J. Cole for doing the collab and introducing them to the world of BTS. Just lovely. Thank you so much for putting this video together. It's so in depth. Great work.
For me taehyung's album is the best. All songs are best and so much relaxing ❤ You can hear those songs when you are feeling disturbed or wanna fresh your mind. His album brings another kind of happiness to me. In fact my parents also like to hear those relaxing songs. I wish he may go ahead. I'm so proud of taehyung and his album.
From this video out of everything I'm really proud and amazed by The Astronaut. For whatever reason bh limited it's promo to the shortest, just 9 day preorder no playlisting whatsoever added to this is BTS playlist days after release and at #32 but still Jin managed biggest Spotify debut highest entry by an Asian Artist on billboard even surpassed BTS and blackpink and became the first ever million seller Jin's power is actually INSANE can't wait!! Also I meantioned it because I realised it more after this video so I could not help myself but say it out loud coz it really is cRaZy So proud to be an an ARMY it feels relief that I understand what each of the boys meant before releasing their albums ❤
Yeah Jin's power is actually insane it's like he'll never aim for the chart and focus on creating ART which is a masterpiece in itself and get gigantic success without even intending for it😭 He's such a Superstar 😭😭
I'm personally enjoying seeing all the elements that make BTS in the solo debuts. We alos get to see parts of them we couldn't when they were grouped. It's still frustrating when all the comments talk about numbers and charts etc. I always end up thinking 'can nobody else see how amazing this is?', it's great to see there are.
I agree. They, (BTS members) KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING! There is a reason for everything they do, they play the long game not brief fads. Also they have different tastes, ambitions and visions of their arts but that's what makes them so cohesive as a group. 💜
@@KC_5902usted vio todo el vídeo y sigues con esa narrativa? Tienes la misma idea que solo stan 1. Borahae sí lo creo Taehyung para dar un significado profundo cuando vio el proyecto de army para apoyarlos y creo el término para BTS y el fandom. Él incluso puede reclamar y certificarse para él sólo pero sabes que lo dio al grupo y su fandom. Cada vez que lo usan no recibe regalías? 2. Parece que usted no vio ningún suchwita que por lo que sé solos stan son tan ruidosos llamando de manera horrible a Y00ngi porque no salía en el programa y luego que salió les dio la bofetada para ustedes cuando se dio el programa y hablo de lo mucho que quiere estar en el grupo. O acaso él mentía? Ustedes mismos no respetan al que dicen ser stan 3. No has visto que JK dijo que quería experimentar con muchos géneros musicales y le encantaría colaboraciones? Lo dijo, cuál es la sorpresa? Dijo que serían 3 canción con coreografías? Tae saco 5 mv y algunos los llaman privilegiado esto es ridículo cada uno hizo lo que deseo Cuántas veces ellos han dicho que hacen lo que quieren con su música y quieren experimentar? 4. Recuerdo que Tae dijo que no buscaba algo tan grande incluso no ha ido a US igual que otros miembros. Pero fue a Japón (segundo mercado más importante de la música) No entienden que bts elige que hacer con su álbun Debió dolerte mucho esa renovación de contrato sabiendo que de acuerdo a las leyes lo envías cuando todos los miembros están de acuerdo. Es decir que lo decidieron en conjunto Si ellos fueran maltratados y no tuvieran esa libertad lo hablarìan y se hubiera ido. Dime a qué empresa quieres que se vaya? Ustedes ni respetan lo que ellos quieren Te recuerdo que ese Bang PD ya no es el ceo de BH. Y sinceramente esa empresa tendrá sus dificultades y cosas que corregir pero crees que eres el salvador se x miembro? Crees que él es un niño que no sabe nada de música o cómo se maneja la industria musical? Se han graduado hasta de maestrías en entretenimiento y producción y supuestos fans quieren manejarle la vida Literalmente Tae recibió ayuda de una de las productoras de otra subsidiaria de ese consorcio hybe (Ador) eso demuestra que hizo lo que quiso y tiene libertad musical. Y bts sigue siendo un grupo aunque te duela mucho Así que dices apoyarlo al menos respeto el amor a su grupo, a su fandom y quédate en la esquina porque bts continuará
@@ivy721 realizó dos mv: set me free pt2 y like crazy para Face. Su álbum tiene en sí 5 canciones y un skit. El artista decide cuánto mv hacer. Después de todo ellos son los que tienen estar involucrado más lo que quieren transmitir en sus canciones. Supongo que sabes que Face es muy personal para él. Has visto una entrevista en dónde haya dicho que quería hacer más de mvs? Realmente mucho sacan a relucir como si él no si hubiera reunido para su álbum con pdogg e involucrarse de principio a fin con su trabajo y luego salen a minimizar su autonomía porque se molestan porque no sale como los solos stan relatan Ellos sólo nos brindan parte de su experiencia del proceso musical. Todo el proceso no nos lo enseña. Lo que nos corresponde es apoyar y dejar estar en poco de sospecha cuando es un artista ya consumado de más de 10 años de experiencia (como bailarín contemporáneo y miembro de bts) en verdad creen si no estuviera de acuerdo no lo diría? Renovó contrato con su grupo y si ellos les gusta estar en esa empresa bueno ellos sabrán. Ellos no son marionetas ni nadie y menos un supuesto fan puede decirle que hacer porque no le manejan la vida.
@@ivy721 hablo de Jimin y su proceso de su álbum Face Muchos solos stan han estado cuestionando las promociones, proceso musical y más. Y es por ello boracity creo el vídeo. Wn twitter es realmente visible la gran cantidad de odio que lanzan los solos stan de cada chico y no podemos considerar a estas personas como aliados cuando hablan muy mal de los demás chicos al punto que deseaban disolución del grupo
I really like this segment! Each member is a lot more involved and have more input with their solo careers than what people think. I can see each members personality and what they wanted in each members release.
I just don't like the overlap of promotions which makes it seem like the company is being unfair. a for example V has only had 2 weeks of promotions and now the company is promoting 3D by JK. This continues to happen which divides fan support and creates solo stans out of OT7 stans.
That what i said plus jks songs are heavily promoted in west so everyone is gonna talk about it but taes album got sandwich in between to songs who have many versions physical CDs and all
I get it coz it's felt hectic and a lot, but we have to remember that chapter 2 has been as up in the air for them as it has us. They are trying to fit all of this in around their enlistments and not doing things at exactly the same time as each other. It's a weird time period for both us and them. We've heard them talk about how even the plans for their group comebacks and activies can end up getting derailed and changed repeatedly and that's with all efforts focused on one thing. That's now happening 7 times over plus adding in extra releases such a collabs or focused singles. They aren't just focusing on their one solo project, but also trying to think ahead to have things prepared that can be released whilst they're enlisted. They are also having to prepare themselves for enlistment, which must be incredibly daunting. They have a lot going on and a lot to deal with outside of just their solo project/promo period. If they didn't have enlistment then they'd never be cramming 7 individual solo album projects (+ the extras) into 18 months. They obviously chose to all try and release something before enlisting, and if they hadn't and only some members had released something then people would have been unhappy about that too. I just think it helps when I feel a bit frustrated to try and remember the whole perspective of what they are facing to see why things have ended up being like they have. I'm sure solo projects after enlistment will be much more spaced out from each other and handled better.
Tbvh, releases last year were more enjoyable than this year. They all did sooo well though. It's just that for this year, it's all about numbers. Fans are more excited to see how many copies of the album will be sold, how high the songs will rank in the charts, how many streams will it make in the first 24 hours, how many records will it break, etc., instead of just enjoying and feeling the MUSIC they shared. Sometimes, the real intention of the artists in releasing their work is getting overshadowed by the goals of the fans to break records and it would indeed end up getting compared. Sigh. I am just soooo glad all 7 of them have a beautiful relationship with each other that negativities will never get in their way. Ugh I honestly can't wait for 2025.
Agreed. I feel like number/chart updates and 'achievements' have all become meaningless noise at this point. I just want to be able to enjoy the music and whatever else they are putting out without obsessing over numbers all the time. It just sucks all the joy out their releases when that's all you focus on, whilst I've been loving seeing their personalites shine and feeling like we are getting to know each of them a bit more.
It also feels like the numbers and chart updates can no longer be reported without it including 'breaks the record' or 'surpasses' so some of the 'achievements' are starting to become more and more absurd.
@@crunchielover2 Ugh I hate it so much too when huge fanbases use those terms! They are probably unaware but they're making the other members look less successful and they're feeding solos with stuff they can use to drag the other members. This is actually one of the reasons why I don't check twt every time there's a new release.
Fr, I really, really loved Astronaut, it actually made me an ARMY, I always cry whenever I listen to it and then Wildflower was another masterpiece which I can't stop talking about
@@crunchielover2 I must admit I didn't take that notice of achievement of course I heard the all had a smile for the all but my priory was enjoy the music and support them by buying and streaming so they get what they should in terms of getting paid for their art.
Each member have different personal taste. Each member have different directions they want to go. Each member got to decide what was important to them. I trust that they decided what is best for them in the time frame they had. The only thing I wish is that Jin would have had more time to do a full album before he left. 💜 love to all seven!
Question for u - for jimin as you say is targeted to global pop, so what was the reason for no radio play in US and not being in top hits spotify? I just really wanted to understand this part
Payloa it's the illegal pay for play system that rift in the US Radio. BTS and BigHit rightly will not engage in illegal activities. USA ARMY know all about it. Also Boracity has all the receipts on it in one of her videos. Bascially a few years ago 3 main Radio companys went to war they bought out as nearly all the independent radio stations in the US. But US radio is dying a slow death. Now they run an illegal 'Pay for play' system people have been court doing this and have end up in court. Bascially they'll use 'Promoter' as a third party working between the Radio stations and artist music companies. If you don't pay the Radio stations your artist songs don't get played simple as that. The more you pay the more times your song is played. Some artist might get a few old plays but then the subject of money will come up and if the record company is not willing to engage in illegal activies eg pay for play the Radio will stop playing the artist song There are few small independent radio station left but they have very small airwave coverage. I've also found out that a lot of radio stations in the US don't have people there it's all piped from the main stations HQ with only one person who goes in to do the local news annoncements .
maybe because the main single and "og version" was in korean and even bts as a group struggles with radioplay with their korean songs? Wasnt "like crazy" in the top of some charting playlists for weeks? Like i personally read about it being in nr. 1 spot weeks if not months after its release 🤔 I mean I'm not from the Us, so I cant speak for the radioplay of the other members (and frankly i also do not care so much for this kind of stuff lol) , but his overall promotion was more for the korean/asian market as far as i can tell... and i also dont think targeting a "global pop audience" does mean ...the top of US charting system... you can aim for an international audience and not aim for breaking any records at all. Maybe jimin also just wanted to promote it "globally (or USA)" to gain more confidence personally for oversees promotion as a solo artist (and bc he knows that he has a lot of fans over there that he wants to please) and not necessarily for the placative success and fame, who knows? we dont unless they share it with us :)
@@larajackson239 as i remember, both version of like crazy was/is doing good and korean version was viral but only eng version get added in some playlists for days after it's success. And no like crazy wasn't given top of any playlists but it did chart well for weeks and months. like crazy got added in some playlists after days , weeks and some after it's success but soon it got replaced by other songs despite being viral . i don't think anyone while making lc didn't thought about global Audience as their audience cause the whole team including jimin was so happy after it's global success. and global music scene more pop oriented than korean/ asian music scene so it's obvious that the music scene aim was more about global than home / asian focused
I love your content and I couldn't agree more with what you express. I think that the majority of ARMY does not need an explanation, but there is another group of ARMY that should understand that they are 7 different artists who have different visions and tastes. They know best what is best for them and decide how to do it. Some fans go overboard in their desire to protect, but they should know that they are intelligent adults, surrounded by a team that always supports them. We as fans should only trust their decisions and support and enjoy their work.💜Borahae
I appreciate that they were authentic in their solo's. RM, V and J-hope 😘 albums suited my personal music preference. I like and listen to most genre's, however I am a sucker for jazz fusion, neo-soul and hiphop.
Even though all of their styles are very unique, I actually really like all of them. I don't even like rap, but J-Hope's Suga's and RM(I think RM might be my favorite of those 3. I really like Wildflower) lyrics are just so powerful so I listen to them when I feel like reading the lyrics and crying. I also really love Jungkook's classic pop, it's a bop. I'm really drawn to Jin(THE ASTRONAUT AAAAAAAA I mean I know he only got 1 song but that song is dang good) and Jimin's style(Like Crazy, Serendipity, Lie, all such a bop). What is their style called? Idk what it is, I fucking love it so much. I also really like V's work. Singularity and Stigma are just so unique and amazing, I just feel like I'm in an abstract world when I'm listening to them. The rest of his song's I've found are really good study music, really get me in the mood, so they're in my study playlist. Another thing I've noticed is a lot of BTS' songs, if you look at the lyrics, are talking about their struggles of being famous and the negative things it has brought into their life. Which I totally agree with, I think being famous is not good for someone's mental health, especially for k-pop stars due to k-pop training hell and the even stricter rules choking their lives. I just love them for how... real they are. They want to express themselves and you can tell they're really into music. A lot of their songs are like nothing I have ever heard before. A lot of people in the US just think people listen to k-pop because they find the artists hot, but I think a lot of k-pop artists, especially BTS, offer really amazing songs that I get very invested in, not because of their looks. I remember so many times where I listen to their songs and I can't stop crying, or I spontaneously dance like no one is watching, or I just get entranced to where it feels like everything has faded around me, and I'm being brought into the abstract world of their song, their soul. Each BTS member is so amazing, and I'm so glad I discovered them in 2017. A lot of my favorite childhood music memories are with them, they'll always hold a special place in my heart
Thank you yet again for another brilliant video. One thing you said abiut them being multidimensional artists really hit home for me because i remember fighting in a group chat with other army who kept bashing the english releases and saying BTS should have stuck to the korean music that made them famous. It seems some people dont understand that as artists they are and definitely muat explore with whatever genre they want. Sure it could be for a targeted audience but that's what makes them the huge group they are because they can pull fans with different preferences. Trying to put them in a bix of "oh thats what i expect from them and what theyve done" wouldn't let them be the musical giants thwy are now and as their fans we should allow them the freedom to tap into other areas not try to hold them tight and forbid them from changing 💜
it’s true that things are messy right now in the fandom due to a fandom cleanse happening but we can make it till 2025. we need to be organized again like back in the days, don’t let solos gaslight you and manipulate you armys! remember theres no such thing as ot7 army, REAL ARMYS ARE OT7 and love ALL members (also army please vote for jimin on idolplus and tae jin on fan n star)
I want all the solos and antis to get out of this fandom.....thts the best solution cus they're roots for hate.....rumors scandals and many more......😑 they argue with multiple fandoms...... and those fandoms have portrayed army's image as a toxic fandom 🥲
@@Jmsadmirer7 Most of the fandom is great...but some make the fandom look bad! That's the truth. I think nothing is wrong with having a bias or a favorite....Jin is mine...but as fans we must still love and support all 7...and emulate how they are with each other. They have always consistently shown that they are family ...and they are a team!🥰
@@vanessajones8772 ikr...but these solos have sent protest trucks to hybe cus tannies renewed their contract...it's not a bad thing to have a bias...but imagining tht only ur bias works hard only he deserves success is absolutely delusion...thy always try to separate thm by saying...my bias is mistreated blah...blah...thy are even calling themselves as kths...jjk1..pjm's...like this fandom was named as army for a reason...I'm 200% sure tht tannies won't be separated...cus thy are a family 💜✨️
Zach's interview is SO GOOD. I watched all of his interview with kpop idols and he always respect them and saw them as artists. His question is always deep about their music and artistry and I love that about him. I'm so glad RM aware of him and request an interview with him
Excellent!!!! thanks for putting this video essay/analysis out for those who seem to run with narratives other than listening and trusting these 7 talented and intelligent artists. 💜
So SO good! As always breaking things down clearly, concisely, & forever w/ receipts. We must always remember to respect & listen to our 7, they are quite clear on their intentions. All 7 have given us God tier projects. CAN'T WAIT FOR 2025!! THANK YOU!
Thank you for putting up this video. It really hurts my soul to see solo stans turning against one another like that. We are a family bound by our united love for BTS. The messages and actions of the boys throughout the years should teach us better. I appreciate their individual endeavors and approaches to their individual works. It shows how diverse but undeniably talented each of them are. I was not familiar with some of their preferred music genres, but the love I have for them made me willing to try and I completely enjoyed them! They are brothers and they are all for other members’ success. See how Jin said he’s cheering for them during WLIVE every chance he got.
Thank you for making this video, you just put into words what i've been thinking everytime I see someone saying how some members were miss treated or didn't get enough promo, those are artists that have been in the indestry for over 10 years, we should trust that they know what they're doing by now.
Just heard the introduction and gosh i know this is gonna be soo good!!! Edit: people are so annoying with the western thing. Like let them create the songs they want like i LOVE every single release Edit 2: i was one that didnt need the video bc i understood the meaning of each release but is really nice to see it all together in one video
I LOVE Indigo by RM. In my opinion his album is the most cohesive and most interesting. Followed by V. He talked about adult themes and revealed his true self outside the BTS bubble. Closer is one of my favourite songs of all time.
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Thank you for making this video
Can you also plzz make a video Or tell about bts nominations for this year (like as in if they gave songs like take two and planet which are group songs)will they be nominated as artist of year or not
Please any army explain why these things happened with layover- i only want facts please
- hanteo 600k sales dlt
- itunes sales suddenly disappeared
- all MV views started getting frozen just after 1 hour of LMA started breaking records
- physical albums not shipped despite the 1.5+ months pre orders
- sd cds not shipped until the tracking period was over and many still didn't got their cds and albums
-Digital download available after 3 days of release
-US record label refusing to make posts about him until they got mass tagged and than they started retweeting tae twts before they were just making posts abt olivia Rodrigo
- whole day Spotify data deleted and slow dancing was nowhere to be found on many countries Spotify charts
- slow dancing is currently disappeared from all BB CHARTS
You forget to mention about hobi's interview on radio show on Korea which were imp part of his promotion too where he did long and free conversation and interact with fans too
Thanks for your efforts. I love your video so much.
Thank you for making this detailed explanation of OT7 sólo debute. I wanted to hear your thoughts on them. Because I just thought they all did it differently & in their own way. 💜🥰💟
I'm sure Joon was tired of the meaningless convos and the disrespectful ignorant interviewers so he just decided to go with the people he trusts. Basically what you said❤
Agree with you....a lot of interviewers are
so stupid... Namjoon is on another level...
Honestly I am so amazed it truly proves he's a wise artist. Very rare
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I don’t trust fans who don’t trust bts. you don’t have to trust the company, but at least trust bts. they are in control, they have shares in the company, they built that company from the ground up. they are not being manipulated and they are most definitely NOT competing against each other 😭 they care about the music, they take leading roles in planning promotions and concepts. they’re not powerless dolls like other idols , or like some fans want to believe
💜💜💜AMEN 💜💜💜
I am not saying you are wrong, I just wonder what goes into the decision making. And how do you know?
Well, the "they care about the music" part, I'm not so sure of that. 😬 Some do, of course. 😅
@@siggispock5102 They have talked about this millions of times in interviews and even in their lives. Watch each member's Suchwita episode and you can listen each of their stories. they have been an open book and they always say "just trust in our word". it's simple.
@@allisfair To whom are you referring?
It's so sad that instead of enjoying the music and promotions that every member gave us, a lot of people only were focused on finding things to complain about and being miserable
True 💯
A lot of solo stans. Some "Army" also sent ad trucks to Hybe to protest BTS renewing their contracts. Solo fans also wanted V sign with companies from the US. All the talk about sabotages and how Hybe is an evil company that is threatening the boys into renewing their contracts while actively sabotaging their solo albums/work is annoying.
@@norainid.2970yes some ARMY so annoying they always blame company not promote well and company sabotize their bias. Why the company want their artist to fail are crazy
@@elyscahyadi6986Do you guys track company's every moves? Like how they move for their group or soloist?
@@norainid.2970 those people who dares to call themselves "army" are so ridiculous... they're just troublemakers
Each member has a very specific vision for their career.
Jin wanted a one and done somg that was a love letter to ARMY. A breezy song with an upbeat energy.
Suga created a new chapter in his AgustD journey, very much in his vein of hip hop. Such an arc
RM wanted to create pure art. He departed the farthest from the BTS sound aside from V. Lush emotional storytelling and lyricism.
JHope brough a new hiphop intensity that you can tell he always wanted more of. A harder...more gritty edge that really changed his overall image. He grew up and showed us. Striking.
Jimin was creating str8 Kpop. It followed the vein of it very closely. It was the most BTS-esque of the 7, very fun, energetic. Very Jimin!
JK wants to be a pop star. His songs are targeted specifically for a global audience. The pop/rnb influence is clear and he is perfect for that genre. He wants the biggest possible reach.
V made music he likes to listen to. The bluesy jazz sound is in line with his vibe. His sound departs probably the furthest from BTS. It limits your audience, but its what he desired.
All the solo fans need to calm the eff down and use their brain instead of their egos when looking at this stuff.
Face is anything but straight k-pop lol, every single song on that album is from a different genre while I do agree he is the one who had the most BTS's essence, maybe because of the sheer level of versatility of his songs but it wasn't kpop, and BTS is and have always been barely kpop. And Face-off by Jimin is more r&b than anything Jk has released so far(excluding my time, now that's a proper R&B song), both seven and 3D are the definition of mainstream generic pop(not staying it's bad or good, that's personal opinion).
@@stargazing2628 3d is not generic pop
@@stargazing2628are you new to kpop? Face is straight up kpop lmfao. It’s more 2nd gen kpop then kpop today but it’s very kpop. Jk songs aren’t generic pop either. It’s more late 2000s/ british house sounds more then anything… 3D is literally a song you’d imagine nsync/backstreet boys to sing back in the day it sounds nothing like pop of today what are you listening to lmfao
@@ruthiee8344people like to look at "Kpop" like it's derogatory which is stupid to m
@@ruthiee8344Face is straight k-pop, but 3D is not generic? Face-off is a quintessential rnb song with trap influence, Like Crazy is literally Synth pop and straight 80s, Alone is rnb, Dive is bedroom pop influenced interlude, SMF2 is a legit Hip-hop track, and letter is a pop ballad. I have been in kpop for a long enough time to know that there's a difference between the kpop(industry) and kpop as a genre. Face is not kpop at all. SMF2 straight up sounds like something out of MBDF by Kanye West, hence the nonsensical hate Jimin got from kpoppers for using 30s of autotune. And NSYNC and their music were the definition of generic. Both seven and 3D were songs given to JK which can literally be given to any other artist and not much would change.
I stan 7 smart, seasoned, insanely successful industry veterans who built their company from scratch. That's why I trust them. I support them by consuming their music, not by questioning their intelligence.
Extremely well said!
This coment is smooth like BTS butter 🧈 😎👌
Well said, Army 💜
Yessss.....Totally agree .💜🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
it's not their company, it's bang pd and his cousin and someone else, family.
If only it were so simple - black and white - like that! That’s not how the music industry works and the LABEL makes the ultimate decisions - like which member is going to be the one who will be the ‘most successful’…though I WILL say they don’t control the gp or fans of another member, so sometimes plans don’t work out the way they want it to, like who won the historic #1 BB. JM will ALWAYS do what’s best for the group- NOT for himself; he has always put his brothers first before himself.
Jin's Astronaut achieved SO MUCH with just 9 days' notice, no instrumentals, just two versions, limited shipping, no US promo, no playlisting or radio play. Jin's power is insane. I'm desperately waiting for his full album, I absolutely love his songs & vocals.
And with writing credits ✨️
@@ivy721You didn't watch the video at all, did you?
@@ivy721 Is there a reason you feel the need to call another member insulting names just because you're jealous that he got what you wish your fave did? In all of your whining and crying, you never mentioned what JK did wrong to piss you off other than succeed and get support.
@@ivy721 shut up anti
@@ZariDV she is a stuborn people that don't want hear any explantion by other people. Jimin who want promote his album in jimmy pallon and korean show why blame bighit not support him if he want to promote his album in radio in us he will and bighit will support. And jimin bighit artist why bighit want jimin album flop think about that with your brain. Suga came to radio us to promote his songs not only jk .why you blame jk and hate him for his succes and about the #1 bb 100 it's not jk foult that jimin not in #1 next week it is billboard platform
I have loved how the Chapter 2 promotions have been unique to each BTS member, showing off their individual charms. Being different is an advantage not a disadvantage. Thank you for summarising it so well.
Yes😌
In a way, when I think about all the different ways they promoted their solo career, it kinda comes together in an abstract way that kinda makes me think of BTS as a group
Diverse different and impressionable 😏
I don't know maybe it just sounds silly 😄
Namjoon's promotion is crazy when you think about it.
He has all the confidence in the world to specifically curate his "promotion" as an art enthusiast.
He created a very beautiful art with that DIA Beacon performance, a nod back at his early career with Rolling Hall, with no unnecessary interview, and he knew his album would sell. His music would sell.
I feel like a lot of armys don’t understand that BTS has transcended the K-pop sphere and aren’t just satisfied by being accepted and acclaimed in K-pop, they want to be accepted and acclaimed in the international body of work respective to each of the genres they pursue.
Edit: chill out on the reply section y’all, some of y’all got too heated over nothing or missed the point of my comment entirely.
Right? So many of us have been discussing why they're not 'K-pop' anymore despite being from Korea, for years. WE get it. And they never have been typical K-pop anyway. (Not to mention, K-pop rejected us completely...)
But that's the core of the problem, isn't it? They're going full-international and they're gathering a lot of new fans...but the new fans are not ARMYs (yet), don't know BTS's history or discography (yet), and auto-label anything that comes out of Korea as 'K-pop'. And unfortunately, some of these 'fans' aren't ever going to get to the 'yet', because all they're interested in is the English-lyrics music. 'I just LOVE BTS!' 'Oh, cool, which era is your favorite?' 'Era? What's an era? I just love Dynamite and Seven, they're SOOO cute and sexy!' :Sigh:
yes but how does that relate to orders not being shipped on time for debut week even tho the pre-order was place a whole month before? how does it relate to a song being distributed in literally every streaming and buying platform under the wrong credits? I don't see the correlation of what type of music and art bts wanted to release and a company not doing their job properly in such an astoundingly bad manner that it ends up sabotaging the member's debut.
I think you have that some what wrong. We know BTS are more than Kpop but still Kpop most of us aren't even Kpop fans. We know BTS use multi genres of music and we love that it what makes them different one of the things that makes them stand out. We know each member has different musical tastes on top of what they have in common that's means we get a wild spectrum of styles and tastes. It's wonderful when they do their own thing and when they all bring something to the table to make an amazing musical mix. When we go through BTS albums the tracks are not all the same that's the beauty of a BTS album.
ARMY understands they are global Super Stars however I'm sure there are people anti's especially who don't want BTS to be global superstars as they overshadow their kpop groups. They will often pretend to be BTS fans and many of them are kpop fans in general eg they belong to multi fandoms and are always telling ARMY we should also support other Kpop Groups. mmmm strange as no one says oh you like this Rapper than you have to also like and all Rappers or you like that pop artist so have to also love this pop artist.. ermmm No sorry that's not how liking a group works.
@@tetete5039 Not being shipped, or not arriving when expected? Once it leaves the company, it's all on the shipping process, and the global shipping process this year is giving VERY poor performance.
The wrong credits across all platforms sounds like someone glitched it before distribution, as opposed to a single platform deliberately removing a credit in order to reduce numbers. That one you can lay solidly on the editor, whoever they were.
But I really don't think a record-breaking debut can be considered sabotaged, and it's pretty foolish to assume that any company would *want* one of it's most popular and lucrative members to do poorly. It'd be more damaging to the company than to the member.
@@ystrwwhy can't you guys simply accepting anything against company did you guys stan artist or company coz it's freaking company's job to correct the mistakes now even billboard chart messed up sd and after the trending hastag they rapair the whole chart so how come this not affecting the artist
People will start blaming the company but then BTS said themselves that they did their Solo albums by their own freedom and directed how they want it to be.
the clips of RM getting asked the most uninteresting questions in interviews and clearly contemplating his life decisions 😭😭 i’m so glad he can promote his solo projects how he wants to
i think some people forget that while bts is a group with 7 members--each with different sounds and genres to offer, they also each have different goals and ambitions for their own solo music. i say we trust them with the actions they are taking with their art
armys definitely need to break out of the mindset that the only indicator of success is a high position on the Hot100. musical success is so much more than that.
You might be talking about solo stans in which case not ARMY
the members are loterally obsessed with it, if its not an indicator why ur bothering to only give 1 member multiple #1???
@@nat4618 first of all why do you think *I* am the one in charge of whether members get #1s or not 😭 a #1 on the BBH100 is NOT easy and depends on several factors: firstly the Billboard Hot 100 ONLY tracks US streams, sales and radio (and I'm not from the US so nothing to do with me lmaoo). So that's a huge chunk of BTS' audience cut out. Secondly, Billboard are notoriously corrupt and shift the impact more onto radioplay (which is controlled by huge companies that illegally pay-for-play) as well as coincidentally filtering huge amounts of streams and sales for BTS songs like we saw for the fall of Like Crazy. Those chart positions rely more on music industry privilege than anything, which is why BTS only achieved their first #1 in 2020, which is pretty recent for being the biggest band in the world since 2017.
THEN after all of that is the reason why boracity made this video - what audience the music is directed at within the US. A large part of achieving a hit relies on the general public rather than dedicated ARMYs, and like it or not the general public are passive listeners whose ears have been trained by the industry to respond to certain sounds. Those sounds rarely (although this has been changing recently because of tiktok, but very slowly) include indie, rock, hip hop, slow songs or any kind of overly experimental music. Many of BTS' work both as a group and as solo artists fall under this category, on top of both the language barrier with Korean songs and the cultural barrier/stigma that they're unfortunately still fighting.
So you see, it's really not that simple. ARMYs have been fighting for BTS to get their well-deserved recognition in Western music and on Western charts for YEARS, and for new fans to come in and undermine all of that, the fact that we quite literally came from nothing, to say that if it's so easy why don't we do it for all the members, is disrespectful. The world doesn't work that way.
And I haven't even touched on the intentions of the boys themselves - sure, they want Western recognition, but they are also musicians who want to have a long-lasting impact and create timeless music (Namjoon and the others have said this many times). The fact that you choose to selectively listen to them to fit your narrative is not very ARMY-like of you, but I'd guess you're probably a diet solo or a solo anyway. I know EXACTLY what you people do, you try to place the blame on ARMYs for their "favouritism" to get us to fight each other when it's not about favouring one member at all. You can't fool me. I don't take criticism about favouritism from someone whose entire fan identity is ignoring the boys' love for each other to create their own agenda.
@@nat4618members? obsessed??bruh plzzz
@@rkivelover Your response is so AMAZING! I live in the US and the radio stations play the same 10-25 songs on repeat. Almost at the exact time every day. They may sprinkle in a "throwback" song, but it's only during specific times of the day. I have called in to a radio station that was playing "My Universe" one time because I was SHOCKED! I also heard "Seven" once recently and was again shocked. Happy, but shocked.
Unfortunately, I cannot claim to be an OG ARMY, but from all of the content that I've seen, they seem very sincere and focused. I find it hard to believe that they didn't have any input into how their music was promoted, packaged, etc. They also seem to be very respectful and do their best to not bring shame to their families, the group, the company or their country, but I've seen them speak up/speak out about things that they didn't think fit BTS.
I've watched many @boracitymagazine videos and have always been impresed with the amount of detail and research that has been put into each one of them. It is hard for me to see some of these comments because I think, did this person even watch the video? Have they even seen any of the other @boracitymagazine videos!?!?!
Each of them have their own vision as solo artists. Army should just trust them to do what the think is best for them and what makes them happy. They have more than 10 years of experience in the industry to back them up. Just enjoy what they have given us and continue to love them unconditionally.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
People should learn that there are hundreds of music genres and not all of them are mainstream and not everyone has to like the same genre. And that makes music versatile, that makes BTS chapter 2 beautiful as each of them pursue different genres to highlight their personal colors, 7 unique pieces. Sadly, solo stans do not respect their individuality or appreciate what content they are blessed with in the limited remaining time with BTS, they only look to the grass on the other side and obsessed about other member's success. They talk as if they could run the company better, accuse the company of paying sh*t, making up lies and harrass other members if they dare standing out. What's the point? Each genre needs different marketing tactics based on its targeted audience. When will people start listening to their music out of enjoyment instead of responsibility, obsession and spite?
Bravo well said every issue you covered is on point.
I guess it's not really about the promotions that they want clarifications about. The promos, of course, the members chose them. But how do you explain the clear disparity in distribution? Late shippings? No restock? Late digital store? HYBE could have done so much better.
Like Crazy is synth pop, The Astronaut is pop rock, Seven is UK garage pop. All 3 are pop songs but guess which song got proper playlisting and radio play? And guess which song you all are calling "gp friendly" while completely ignoring the 2 other songs?
@@borahae-yp8gu Oh the playlisting and the radio support. So much could have been done for others.
@allisfair yes, the astronaut was shipped to the US more than a month after release, 3D had 80k on stock while fans had to beg them to restock Like Crazy and the initial stock for it was like 20 or 30k? There's clearly a difference in treatment
Jack in The Box It is a Masterpiece and deserves to be awarded. J-hope is one of the best artists in the world of this generation!!!💜👑
RM's album is amazing. I am from the US, but the interviewers in the US usually ask the dumbest superficial questions. The US is not the end all of music. I trust BTS to do what they want to do. We can support them all while still having a favorite genre style. We are allowed to feel a certain way as well.
Also, i can imagine them discussing about how "boring" it'd be for us if all 7 did the same exact type of promotions. All 7 albums in a matter of a year and a half being released in the same exact way. I myself truly wouldn't have a problem with that and I'm sure yall wouldn't either but putting myself in their shoes i'm pretty damn sure that's how they'd think. They always like doing the most for us, and that includes doing the biggest variety of content possible, just like how Taehyung said he tried doing contents we'd like to see from him, or how Jimin said he wanted to see ARMYs at music shows
I am sorry squuezing Jjimins entire schedule in 9 days was cruel .. hile one member got entire half of the year wow
@@hafsahjawed.s9224 as a Jimin biased, i get that, i truly do. And i'm so glad the hype around his album didn't fade at all which just proves that with more promotion it'd be even more of a huge success. I was just talking under someone else's comment in here about how the management for each member might not be the exact same and we can't possibly know how BigHit deals with that. If it's different production/art director or if it's an entirely different team still within BigHit. We do know Taehyung worked with Min Heejin and Jungkook's working more closely to Scooter Braun, and we can understand their promotional styles way easier than the other members because we have this information. All we know is that Jimin said he chose to work with in-house BigHit producers.
I also think it's important to point out that 9 days IS a very short period but Jimin worked /so hard/ every single day, if you've watched his behind the scenes. Set Me Free pt. 2 required so much from him especially, he had the most difficult song to promote out of all the members, the choreo is insane. So in regards of his health it could possibly be too much to extent his promotional schedule, but that's just a guess. We do have his documentary coming up and award shows season (maybe even new music because of those "#ThisIsJimin" videos) so we'll hopefully see more of Jimin before he enlists.
It's a learning process, Chapter 2 is new not only for us but for BTS and their teams. I choose to be understanding and supportive, it can't be easy to do what they're doing.
@@lovelyy6491 i think people also forget BTS have been doing this for 10 years, i think it's okay if they don't want an average kpop promotion since they're already quite popular and promoting can take a lot of energy
@@lexsunsh1nepeople completely disregard that BTS are grown intelligent, successful and experienced adults who can make their own decisions and don't need to listen to Sarah from Mississippi for advice 🥴
björk and BTS! such a great taste u have
How some yall will still find a way to put down all the members that aren't your favorite by calling your fav the most talented, most deserving and greater than the others is beyond me. Why are yall making it a competition when its clear they all have different styles and target audiences? There's literally no need to pit them against each other. Their goals are different and if they all wanted the same thing, they'd be doing that. It's not that they can't, it's that they each want something different. Hence, the different promotion strategies.
I saw a comment yesterday saying she will only support V alone. I had to remind her they are 7 and a true ARMY will love and support all 7 solo albums passionately.
@@beany1944 yes ig she finally realised it too just like i did
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@@beany1944 That's crazy because V himself has said himself "we are seven, please support us all". they don't actually care about what the member has to say
@@beany1944as she should. OT7 is a myth you will realize this too one day
as a girl who has been into boy groups for years, not just kpop groups- one of the biggest things you learn is that every member has their own style and target audience. as an army for 6 yrs, nothing about anything they did confused me because most of the members already had pretty defined styles and ways. only thing that actually shocked me (not in a bad way) at first was jk’s explicit lyrics and it was only because he’s never done a song like that before but like he said in his live “how old am i?”. jungkook is a grown man and i think one of the reasons some army don’t like his explicit music is because they’re used to his cookie cutter golden maknae baby act that he gave us when he was 20. they just refuse to let that man be grown, he’s not a kid anymore. anyways, i personally love all of the members solo projects and if you are a lover of music and art too then you’d love their music for what it is and not how they’re promoted or where it charts.
Explicit and dirty are different things. The irony with JK is that this explicit version is also very dirty and he as a non-native speaker can not understand how it sounds for a native. Having explicit lyrics to express yourself is fine. In the context of the song it was f-ing disgusting. I wish him all the best, but I couldn't listen to the song.
@@Yosya8059Bro, so many artists have way more explicit stuff in their songs. It's just not on your face kinda lyrics as the non explicit version has the same meaning under the lyrics.
It's not even about his age or refusing to let him grow. I feel like this hasn't really been said, but most ARMYs really values the meaningful and deep lyrics of BTS music, so Jungkook having a sexual/dirty song is too shocking and other ARMYs are just simply not comfortable with it. They just can't like it. I mean, BTS has an obvious horny teen song before when they were just rookies which could be deemed daring/controversial to kpop. But despite that, "War of Hormone" is still well loved since it's a fun song and even relatable to others, especially that it's written by the members. "Seven" is obviously just too different since it's written by westerners that's why it didn't feel like himself. His own written solo songs before have meanings and emotions, but "Seven" is so westernized and mainstream just like common western artists who sings/raps about sex all the time, that's why other ARMYs find it disappointing when his solo debut should have been more special.
@@Whalien-jb7gf You're just projecting YOUR thoughts about what Jungkook is like and what type of music he likes. HE chose the song so obviously it resonates with him even if he didn't personally write it. Stop being a little child about it.
It's okay to admit that you don't like his music, you don't have to spin some sort of fiction about it "not being the true him" lmfao.
@@Yosya8059you’re being so overly dramatic. It’s embarrassing 😂. I find it hilarious that the fans are so scandalized about this. What a bunch of puritans. What’s so disgusting about sex with someone you love/like? You all are weird. As if you’ve never had sex or heard people talking about it. The only jk’s song that is very explicit and sexual is seven. And even in this song i find the lyrics are more sensual than dirty. It’s pathetic how much scandalized people are over this.
The only thing I would emphasize is that Jack In The Box did count for charts- it just didn’t count for the US Billboard 100 or 200 charts! We need to be careful that we do not hold western charts as more superior than others such as Circle or Gaon which is exclusive to South Korea.
Totally agree with you that the US chart is not the only one that matters.
Actually, in my country UK, Kpop physical albums do not count for our charts because the randomised photo cards disqualify them. So even if Hobi had released a CD initially, it wouldn't have made any difference in the 3rd biggest music market in the world (unless they took out all the photo cards, stickers etc). His digital albums (from iTunes, Amazon, Qobuz, 7digital etc.) did count, though.
@@troublemaker5749no where in my comment did I say they didn’t care about US charts. I think you’re arguing a completely different point that doesn’t even pertain to this comment in the slightest.
didn't count for the US bb 100 or 200 charts bc he didnt have a digital store for the album and his songs MORE and ARSON unlike the others. have you noticed this difference between them?
@@ilyhsk1This is a lie again. He did have a store but it comes late. Some of you are liars and spread misinformation. Stop this
@@ParkingAjamal He didn't have a digital store for More, unlike other mmbr's singles, and the digital store he got for JitB was 5 days late and only came because fans (mostly solos) complained so fiercly to geffen records. To think you are making some sort of gotcha to @ilyhsk1 to prove that people are lying about how JitB was mismanaged by admitting that the digital store was late unlike every other release (even ots only got a digital store 2 or 3 days before release) by other members is rather daft. There were varying pre sale time periods for other releases digital stores (while they were allowed digital stores) but none were as badly handled as JitB. At the VERY least the way JitB was handled (the multiple mismanagement issues) should have had the purples up in arms fighting for hb to apologise and do better by j-hope, all other fandoms be they kpop or western artists would have done so. Instead purples attacked anyone who did and supported hb instead of j-hope and to this day the majority of the fandom refsue to acknowldege that it was at the very least mismangaged. Heaven forbid the purple mob ever stand up for and fight for j-hope. You haven't in 10 yrs, you never will.
Thank you for being the voice of reason for ARMY. The boys have all said that they’ve been in control of their solo projects and promotions. How frustrating it must be for them to read some of the nonsense spewed by their ‘fans’ in their name 😒 the boys are all different and equally brilliant. Trust them. Listen to them. Love them. Or… 👋🏼 Love you @boracitymagazine You are brilliant as well! 💜💜💜
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Really, then why did Jimin state that his promotion was too short........also, he asked for more mv's for his songs and his snake company told him no. You need to do more research on what's really going on!
Why are you so annoying. Jimin decide his own promotion. Each bts members was given a budget. They decided their own promotion and told bighit what they wanted.
Bighit never does more then 3 music videos for solo.
Jimin did a callobations song with taeoyong from big bang. Plus he had to callobations for fast and furuos.
Even though Face was fast paced, it's impact is still present. I can't stop listening and dancing to Set me free pt2 and Like crazy!
Face is easily one of the best albums made and released in the whole BTS universe. The fact that it's so personal yet so cohesive, Jimin is so underestimated for his musicality and versatility, this man has always released bangers and every single song he has released so far is so different from each other while still having that Jimin effect. It's thought provoking.
@@stargazing2628 Facts
@@stargazing2628 FACE in it’s entirety is a game changer in storytelling, unique sound, lyrics and concept. Jimin has proved that he is an amazing lyricist and song writer. I had been waiting for Jimin to release his own music for years, not only did he meet my expectations but he exceeded them in every way imaginable. It is the best album that I have heard in a very long time.
Самый недооцененный и уникальный альбом. Несмотря на все саботаж от свои же компании всегда на вершине 🔥
As someone who's been in ARMY for a long time the changes our fandom had is tremendous and it is progressive as well. I can see our fam growing into a stage we no longer stress on Billboard, Grammy and streams, just loving and supporting our boys bring us the success. I believe we will reach that level fam Fighting 🫶
We can see the taekook stan are so strong. That they just have to be no. 1 in everything
@@CCL1218-s8z Taekookers are straight up Delulus don't mind them.
This is SUCH a refreshing mature & true statement 💜💜💜💜💜💜
We will not because only jk benefits from this. Why would I be a fan of not successful member after all of this? This group will be jk and friends after this politics because only his fans will support. Others will leave for better groups and biases who at least have future or leave kpop
@@ggerdagg I have been encountering opinions like this since their debut. But what I have seen over these years that unpopular members keep getting popular and the number of group stans increased. So with due respect I don't agree with you.
To the loser solos in the comment section: stop calling Jungkook the most successful member. Because that’s simply not true. You people keep forgetting that the music industry does not revolve around the American chart system. It’s also not just pop music. Just because JK is doing well in one genre, it doesn’t mean that the other members have failed.
Yeah I saw many people shade other members or even BTS as a group just coz of jk's western success like it really hurts when they do this and degrade other members hard work and efforts they put in their arts.
Agreed completely
@@monikabishnoi7240 Exactly. The other members did really amazing when you take into consideration that they had to overcome many different obstacles. Like a non-radio-friendly music genre for their album or not having a white American man listed as a producer for their songs.
It's all about competition rather enjoying the music. The truth is jk is doing mainstream music unlike others ofcourse he will do greater numbers than others cause he attacks the general public which he wants,cause he said it. But doesn't make others flop. Do what it means to sell millions copies a day,selling arean concerts in just hours. Each member is doing great differently. But solos are just mentally sick
@@haifayassin2842 completely agree. But some people here and on Twitter really have the nerve to say that the other members are somehow failures just because their music isn’t main stream.
I'm so new to BTS! I have only listened to them for the past month. As I'm so new, I started with their solo music and I felt in love with each and every one of them. It really showed me their personalities and their kind of individual art, as I was getting to know them in their shows like Run BTS, In the soop, past interviews, etc. With that being said I LOVED THIS VIDEO so so soooo much. It is so well done and it shows your admiration and respect for this artist. I know I'm new (or baby army) but I love them so much and it makes me so happy when I see other people who love them as well and put their effort, passion and talent in giving good and respectfull information about them. THANK YOU for this video, for your time and professionalism 💜
15:07 I'm so proud of saying I'm one of those fans who really got it, who appreciated the lyrics and the meaningful interviews RM brought. I'm here for the music. 💜
All of this discourse gets shut down as soon as y'all start viewing BTS as the autonomous artists they've always said and proved that they are. They're adults who have been in this industry for a decade and know exactly what they are doing. You, however, know nothing. You don't know better than the boys themselves about promotion strategies and their own personal relationship with Bighit/Hybe. It is a genuine insult to their intelligence as grown adults and industry veterans whenever y'all insist on speaking over them. Trust and accept their decisions or leave because nobody wants to hear for the 1000th time why you think everything and anything is mistreatment.
YES! They are experienced adult professionals and we really need to stop treating them like our babies that we need to coddle. They know what they are doing.
Lovely comment. I truly don't understand this narrative of thinking that you as a fan understand the ins and outs of the music industry better than these people who have literally been in it for so many years, and who have come out on top. Our job as fans is to literally just trust them, as they've asked us to so many times, and support them best as we can in the things we are able to do, not look for things to complain about and cry mistreatment at every turn. Doing that just reflects poorly on no one but yourself.
Exactly I've been saying the same thing, our boys have different tastes, different strategies & their own choice. We know nothing about what happened to that damn company/level. But at least we should respect them & their choice. Just believe in our boys. They know what they want to do or what not. Just have some trust in our boys. If you can't believe in your idol then leave quietly cos nobody cares.
FACT: JIMIN DID THE MOST PROMOS IN THE SHORTEST TIME(exhausted me, exhausted him in appearance, he was so thin this period)
- WHICH ALSO AS BORA SAID FRUSTRATED HER BUT "UNDERSTANDABLE" BECAUSE ANOTHER MEMBER'S CONCERT TOUR IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. WHAT WAS NOT MENTIONED WAS SUGA ADMITTING IN SUCHWITA TO RM THAT HE HAD TO DELAY HIS ALBUM'S RELEASE BECAUSE OF WRITER'S BLOCK AND THAT DELAY AFFECTED ONLY ONE MEMBER. I AGREE THEY CHOSE THEIR OWN MANNER OF PROMOTING BUT I DOUBT JIMIN CHOSE TO PROMOTE AT THIS BREAKNECK PACE PUTTING IN TOO MUCH IN SUCH SHORT TIME(he could've done less but we don't know about his or BH's commitment in these shows pre album release) where others are comfortable with the pacing of their promo, Jimin was not, it showed and said as much in his Weverse post. "Armys" gaslighting Jimin biased fans then who were complaining about the short promo period as if it wasn't true just shows that the fandom isn't truly OT7 anymore, they just won't care if it isn't their bias that is affected.
Bravo well said they need to shut up or get out asap.
Thanks for the outstanding research!
I've tried to explain this to many people. You cant compare apples to oranges. Each MEMBER is different. Like a lot of young BTS fans don't like V's new album. It's because it wasn't made for you... it was made for the RnB and Jazz lovers, who typically ARENT young teens. I am 53yrs old and I like everyone's solo project. I may not like a certain person's genre of music but I will support them anyways. I am not a solo stan. All 7 of the members did what THEY felt comfortable in doing. Love the research and I will be directing those naysayers to this video.
That's why she explained, that each is targeting their audience. That's why each member will succeed differently according to their audience. But I am happy each is doing well, but the ungrateful fans will very be happy cause they are just demanding rather than accepting what's given
This is literally the behaviour everyone is meant to have. You dont have to like everything that bts and thats okay, because bts is so diverse that there’s something for everyone. And that is what makes the special and that is the reason why we support them and make sure that their music reaches the audience it is intended for. Bangtan as 7 made music for everyone else but now its time they made music for themselves 💜
@sof1015 but let's be realistic, music is a business. Sometimes you need to do music that trends to gain money with a bigger audience, but doesn't mean you are less of an artist. At least the army know what bts is capable of doing.
I'm not a "jazz or rnb lover" but Taehyung definitely made me into one. All his songs grew on me randomly, lol. I started to listen to it when I'm driving, writing my schoolwork, or just relaxing. My appreciation for the album started with love me again, for us, blue, slow dancing and finally rainy days and I HATED rainy days...now I cannot go a day without playing it.
This album is one of my favourite albums ever thanks to V.
@sandrauna7040 I was exactly the same about Rap and the rap line! Out of curiosity I started watching “Hobipalooza” fully expecting to stop after the first few minutes…1+hours later, I was so blown away by Hobi’s ability to command the stage, by his rap skills, his dance and moves as always so supreme! I was captivated and that made me do a 180 and now I appreciate and LOVE BTS rap line in particular (saw Suga in the US live and on the big screen) and the rap genre in general! I joke that it took 3 rappers rapping in a language I don’t understand to make me appreciate those that rap in a language I DO understand! I have loved and supported every member’s solo projects 💯 ! All of them different but perfect for THEM!💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
This video will surely shut the mouth of those toxic solo stans
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It won't because they insist on victimisation narratives even in the face of common sense and the literal words from the members themselves. Instead, this video should help armys who started to slowly believe solo narratives. Those are the people that should be impacted and hopefully deterred from ever believing them again.
Unfortunately not, 😔 they don't care about facts. They don't even care about there fave they just care about there own wants and needs. They also want something to brag about and compete with other solos with 😞 it would be amazing if those solos just shut up but 🤷🏻♀️
Sadly, I don't think so. They have a problem in their head. They are visual stans and because of that they say ridiculous things, they don't listen to their supposed favorite.
I pray that this comes true 🙏💜
The Astronaut is my fav song makes me kinda feel alive and happy but also makes me cry
Same here :)
Same here, it's such a beautiful song
Yes its one of my absolute favorite songs i love it i listen to it every morning when i have to get out of the bus and walk the rest of the way to work it makes me feel good and puts me instantly into a good mood i am so greatful that this song exists
Exactly how I feel
We armys are so lucky to stan a group full of members so different from each other. No other fan base has this variety of music and promo strategies to enjoy. I love the guys so much. They are such passionate artists
Exactly
If they all did the same thing, same genres, same promotions, same concepts, it’d be boring wouldn’t it??
@@sthanad20 Yes and like most of the Kpop Industry. Notice I wrote most not all.
@@sthanad20 yes .
@@sthanad20 exactly
I have personally thought that each solo project really fits the personality of the artist... And I think your breakdown and explanation makes all the sense in the world. All they asked of us was to support and trust them... So that's not hard to do! They've literally never given us a reason not to trust them... on top of the fact that they trust and support each other! Im so proud of them, they all did an amazing job with their projects!
this video is genuinely so well thought out and clear I am stunned. Your attention to detail, commitment to studying every release strategy, and genuine love for every single bts member shine throughout the video. I am not an army or even a bts fan, but I do like some of their music, and having heard about the controversy surrounding bts solo promotions, I decided to click on this video. Everything was well put in a clear and concise manner for even non-armys to understand. i applaud your effort and commitment to making videos and the care you have for the members of bts. they are genuinely lucky guys to have you as a fan
it's all blind defending pathetic label ... how blind can you be to not see what happened with JIMIN he said it himself even then you guys not listening to
him ..
@@hafsahjawed.s9224just say you don't trust the guys and love twisting their words to suit your agenda and go.. It's pretty obvious 💀
@@hamii613bruh, Jimin himself said his promotion was too short, that he was denied to make more mvs for his album, when he had the vision. His super hit song was not even sent for radioplay despite their being heavy demand, LC was also not submitted for a VMA or a EMA, then these so called fans pretend to act shocked why he wasn't nominated while JK was and so was many nugu groups. The list is literally endless, it's not a propaganda. You'd have to be blind to not see the obvious partial behaviour of the company that pushes forward certain members and literally sabotages certain others.
What nonsense. All 7 bts members have said many times that had control over their own solo promotion. They made their own decisions. You can blame the company. The company did its job. The company payed for everything for your artists .
And you make no sense hybe wants all of its artists to make money. You need to stop this sabotage narrative.
Very insightful and informative. Please people, don't try and keep the members in a "BTS" shaped box...we will lose them. If we say we love and admire them...but don't let them express their true selves...do we really love them or just the image we have constructed of them?
Solo stans victimizing the members, making them look pitiful and they aren't. Every member has done great and we love their product.
Exactly. I don't understand when people can't see the glaring irony in their arguments when they praise the members for their creative freedom but in the same vein victimize them for the method of promotion. It also angers me at the sense of entitlement these kind of solo stans feel, as if their idol owes them something or an explanation for their choices. They just need to learn to enjoy the ride and not have the mentality of wanting to fix something. I guess that type of mindset stems from solo stans using their idols and achievements as playing cards to one up each other rather than appreciating the idol's work - I guess over time that is why they become rude, defensive, or offensive (sometimes uncouth) and victimize.
Victimizing other members and ignore the success of others!
26:42 For Jungkook's solo promo I wanted to add that most akgaes'/solo antis' and overly biased stans' main complaint was jungkook received biasness from hybe, more playlisting and radio from hybe. I would like to say that in one of Jungkook's recent weverse lives he said that he wanted to be "mainstream" and "a big popstar" as a solo artist. So the aggressive western marketing in the form of radio and playlisting similar to butter and dynamite that is being done is in line with the vision he has for himself as a solo artist. He is not being favored by hybe. People reaally think that if other bts members demand mainstream promo from hybe, the company will ignore them?? That's ridiculous. They are hybe's main moneymakers
Which live..
@@vijayalakshmir8492 weverse live - 20th July (he mentioned he wants to be a global popstar)
All members have their own view and their own colours, and I for one, can't wait to witness and experience their art~
All the BTS members reflect on the type of music they listen & enjoy, same with Jungkook he has alway leaned towards mainstream artists Justin Bieber, Charlie Puth, Ariana Harry Styles, etc. You can also see the type of music he listens & covers in live, most of them are trendy songs or from the mainstream artists like Stay, Hold on, Falling, we don't talk anymore etc. I've also seen people complaints about Jk singing in English just like BTS when they did dynamite, I always wonder why people don't have a problem when BTS or Jk sing in Japanese did they think all asian language are same but have a problem when they sing in English, they also don't have problems when they cover English songs by Western artists it only happens when they release their own English song. Now in 2023 we really need to end this discourse and except that BTS are global artists & they can sing in whatever language they choose to sing whether it is Korean, Japanese, English or Spanish (Chicken Noodles Soup)
@@BsjsiGsusus very true, it's always refreshing to see what they come up with. Be it in Korean, Japanese, Spanish, English or any other language for that matter. It's their art they choose to share w us, I don't see any problem w it
I guess what people find frustrating is that HYBE could have done so much better and more. When Jimin released Like Crazy, it was so successful that he could have made another week in the top 10 had HYBE did more for him. His albums were never restocked. And don't tell me this is on Jimin. For sure Jimin said, "Okay! Don't restock my albums." Yes he definitely said that 😬 When some people on Twt asked Hybe to atleast put LC on TTH, everyone was saying "You're going against what BTS stands for" and suddenly when JK had all the playlisting, radio support and ads, everyone was celebrating. The hypocrisy is just so astounding. This debate over the solo promotions is not more about the members but about the company and how "Armys" treated each solo release. If you can't accept that there is a clear disparity between the support of each release, you're definitely delusional or maybe just a heavily JK biased.
thank you so much for putting some sense in the fandom’s head
I agree with FACE ending too fast as Jimin got only 9 days for promotion but the album is a masterpiece achieving many records and Hybe should have promoted for more days but though it's ended fast, Like Crazy still maintaining the impact even after 6 months which was also #1 on BB Hot 100, Jimin being the first K-Soloist to do that FACE got 1.2B streams being the fastest album by a K-Soloist. Everything proves Jimin's musicality and I am sure he has a bright futire in music industry.
exactly, even jimin himself said he wondered if its promotions ended too fast
But he can't sing live. Jimin NEEDS vocal training before he kills his voice completely
@@user-jp4cj3ds7pyou are so wrong
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@@user-jp4cj3ds7p umm okay?
Also, let's not forget how a lot of people jumped to the conclusion that Hobi was being mistreated for not having a physical album (despite him saying multiple times that he took care of every single detail of his debut) only for him to say in the letter of JITB Hope Edition that he felt he "disappointed us" for CHOOSING not to release Jack In The Box originally that way. We, as a fandom, need to start to pay more attention to what the members are saying than to waste time listening to miserable solos who only care about the idea they created of them in their heads to fit their pathetic savior agenda (not to mention those who more than anything want to see them fail in the hopes their true faves will have a chance in the sun).
Exactly
THIS
Yes I remember at the time thinking oh I love physical albums but if you've chosen to do a digital Album I'll not complain I'll make sure I steam even harder. Then he bought one out and I had mixed feeling about it happy for myself that I could now get hold of a physical copy while feeling guilty as he did that against his wishes just to please people like myself. I felt I was being rather selfish tbh.
Thank you Boracity for this thorough analysis of this whole issue .. there are a lot of children and solo stans who don't understand the music industry and they don't realise as yet that BTS are very strategic in their planning .. these people find everything and anything to complain about .. why not just trust BTS like RM says, they know what to do, when to do and how to do it .. just trust them people 👍👍💜💜💜💜
I think one of the biggest mistakes ARMYs do is that they assume ALL numbers are bought about by ARMYs, and that we carry their entire success on our backs🤡
like, if we had that much power, us streaming albums top to bottom debut week would result in equal numbers across the board which they NEVER do....ergo GP plays a massive role. the songs that are GP's taste/trend WILL do better irrespective of what we like or do. id see ARMYs talk day and night about a fan fave song ....but spotify wont reflect correspondingly high numbers ....just cos the fandom liked louder than bombs doesn't mean the GP did too ykwim??
pop albums will 100% do better. rap usually does better too, but lbr its only when u are an established rap artist or have good radio to get the music out there. the best ARMYs can do is boost the songs to increase their visibility....but it simply won't have the same growth as pop genre songs do🤷🏻♀️
also, ARMYs need to let go sometimes and just enjoy it as they planned, especially if its giving you so much stress that you cant enjoy it. we do our best with whats given and we're sad that goals are/aren't met....after the appr despair, WE NEED TO MOVE ON, and not dwelve on it, it drags everyone else down. the way some of yall move trynna control all aspects, from album release to promo schedules, yall giving borderline manti
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The thing is jk known to gp more. But so much armys dont accept that. Thats something normal. And like you said we should let it and enjoy. They are doing so many things for fans to enjoy.
@xxzehel8804 it's all about competition but not enjoying the music,is what I have observed
@xxzehel8804 jk himself is doing music to attack a big audience, if army truly pay attention to what the boys we wouldn't have problems
I downloaded all the songs for all 7 . Love them all . However, RM album hit me different, felt every song.
Wow! I am so happy that finally I see a very objective and rounded analysis of this topic, and so eternally grateful to Bora City ! I was so done with reading posts and tweets from SOME solo stans (not ARMYs) who tried means and ways to create comparisons, complaints and divides.
But this video is really a saviour, the 7 members are creating solo musics because of their immense love for their art , not because they are set to break each others' neck and comparing numbers. They have more depth and substance than some of the naysayers think.
This video got to be shared as widely as possible and it's the best one to the antis whenever such ridiculous statements about favouritism is brought up. I can't fathom how far the antis/ toxic solos can go in hoping and pushing for their favourites to break away from BTS, even after BTS announced they are re-contracting, there are these group of solos who are not happy. ARMYs who truly love BTS and the members must unite and continue to give positive vibes and support to them, just like the purple coloour of the rainbow, trust and love them for a long long time, Borahae 💜
Let's go. And we all look forward to 2025!
I remember when Jungkook did a show and he asked a member of longstanding kpop group Shinhwa how to have longevity as a group. And he responded by saying that they all viewed each other's individual successes as success for the group as a whole. BTS aren't looking at their solo careers as a competition between each other. When 1 member does well they all celebrate the success and are happy for that member. That kind of mentality is important if you want to remain a group for a long time, you can't develop a big ego or become jealous of others. For them BTS is number 1 and their solo music is secondary, not the other way around.
Shinhwa has some wonderful music! I have liked them for quite awhile. Bts covered their "Perfect Man" extremely well! Their, (Shinhwa's) version is really Good...✌💜💜💜
But solos are using bts solo era as competition, yet bts are just growing as artists
@@sofUs_2He probably knows others are not interested
@@sofUs_2why you're so pressed and hating him under all comments
@@gustericaaaohh so other 6 works hard for 10 years to not be successful what is this irony is just that other are satisfied with the success they have while
10:25 I just wanna add, even though astronaut was meant for army, it actually did succeed in attracting an audience outside of the fandom mainly because of the name Coldplay attached to it. It released the same day as Rihanna's song for Black Panther but still did really well. Many liked it.
I so loved the song!
That song made me an ARMY, Jin is amazing! And the song is so beautiful, just like him
My favorite of all....I love Jk's 7....Jimin's Face, Rm, Suga, V, Hobi...all have been great!
I’ve never understood the shock around jungkook being explicit or sexual. He is a grown man. Cope
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They have always told us that they put their personal tastes aside to make BTS’ music. Why is anyone surprised that their individual music is different? 🤦🏾♀️
Also, Pharrell!!! I wasn't sure if that was missed!! This is for RM. He wanted to promote to people that are interested in music!
Please tell me who don't want success ?? Bro 😂 you'll really stan company wake up
So true how can this people say that this member Dont want be successful and other member want be so sucessful because one said it and other don't dose not make them less ambitious or anything they work hard for those years for it if this people think 6 members wants to be indie singers then why are they launching merch and all its just that even the the channel owner is also bias toward a same member as company favours that the issue
Maybe not everyone is the same?? Just because you feel like being hungry for success is the norm doesn’t mean that it’s the same for everyone.
@@DD-fh6uj No one works hard for 10 years with everything they have to be fail yes they don't shout out that loud doesn't mean they want to fail if they seriously don't want be in race they could have already quit and i think every member have enough money so they settle for all the life they are working because they want be successful
Exactly. Just because the other members aren't as loud as JK wanting to be a giant pop star it doesn't mean they don't want to be successful. I won't be surprised if hybe is behind this video.
@@DD-fh6uj so you mean army only support other members if they say loud 📢 like jungkook they want success ??
Thank you for this discussion. I am new relatively to the whole K-pop scene, and certainly to BTS.
A few months ago I was hospitalized and mini mini hours of sleeplessness and boredom. I found myself searching through TH-cam and stumbled on some of the early BTS videos.
I am fascinated by the absolute passion, energy, artistic development, loyalty and dedication to their crafts that these young people have displayed over all these years.
they have certainly deserved every award they have received, and every acclamation of praise for their dedication to their families, brotherhood, and country. The fact that they all have represented their company, their communities, their country in so many ways is astounding. Each of them deserve the title Icons for all they have shared, and continue to share with the world. One of my favorite videos is that one that records the speech at the United Nations. The message was clear, heartfelt, and so impressive.
I have been confused why anyone would not see these young people as individuals, with their talents, dreams and hopes, continue to share with the whole world what they have to offer.
I am blessed as is the rest of the world for their part in it.
Again, thank you for breaking this down because it needed to be said.
I’m looking forward to many many more hours of watching these tremendously talented individuals sometimes to the amusement of my grand children exclamation
I totally agree with you!!!
I hope you’re fully recovered and doing week.
I live in the United States in the state of Alaska. @@SUGABTS669
This video is a ray of light amid the constant guilt-tripping and lying going on in the fandom. Thank you!! And thank you so uch for the closed captions :')
You know if everyone, solos/antis and fans, just listened to what BTS have been saying since June 2022 and onward we would not have any misconceptions. There should be no confusion on how these promotions rolled out if everyone listened to each of the members words coming from their own mouths. Instead, solos/antis throw out the words sabotage and corrupt faster than you can say hello instead of thinking about what they're actually saying.
To everyone like me and many other ARMYs who are only listening to the BTS members and actually official sources, we are having a peaceful time enjoying their music and solo content/promotions with ease and we are constantly reassured of their reunion with no doubts that they will together for a very long time 💜
You've got that right we are enjoying every single solo project and looking forward to the reunion in 2025
You said it... without doubts or surprises... just admiration and enjoying the trip 💜😉
LOVED this comment.
I have loved BTS' solo journeys, but I have to admit, JK's direction was not what I had envisioned.
Despite that, I don't want to miss out on this chapter of his life by complaining. This is what he chose and how he wants to express himself. I don't get into all of the chart wars and conspiracy theories. This only temporary anyway, they'll all be in the military soon and hopefully be reunited in a couple years.
Your post gave me a lot of peace though.
Thank you!❤
Too right! Life's too short and we have no time for that nonsense. I am too busy enjoying the solo projects AND going back to my favourites among their earlier stuff so life is good 😊
you know, if everyone, solos, antis and fans, used their brains for once and did not just eat up the bullshit the company PR department puts out, you'd understand that those men have much less control over their lives and their promotions than most of you think. Well, with the exception of Papi Bongo's favorite child Mimi and the two company shills Suga and RM.
No idea why even after watching this video only a handful people understood the content. Most are still acting as solo stans as if they are too deaf and blind to understand the reality. It actually hurts to see the fandom fighting against each other but it has become an everyday story since a while😢 Even BTS seem to be tired of us at this point because even when they try to make us understand everytime that BTS is 1 we still act the same.
The obsession for charts is the main problem to most,they see other members as a threat to their favourite, instead of just enjoying the music as it is
It's their want to see their fav on the top for their own ego satisfaction and nothing more. For example, tae himself said in his live that he don't want to travel for hours for promotions when he can do much here itself. And US had a writer's strike as well. So traveling there for any kind of promotions is useless. And did he sat even for a day during that 1 and half months of promotions. No. He was doing everything for the album. But still his solos are saying he wanted global success but company didn't gave him that. F*** that. You failed as his Stan. You can't even know what he want for himself. Tae always wanted things in his own pace. He always wanted to achieve stuffs one by one. You know this if you have watched his interviews, bts' docus and lives. But will people understand? A big no. That's the example of solos stans. If one solos is like this, imagine other 6. Hobi himself had to confront this in his documentary and how sad he was with the response. But will fans understand??? Those stans who want that global success to their fav like kook, or those who want concert like suga, etc.. are actually not ready to respect their own fav. They are insulting their fav's decisions and choices. That's it
Thank You. 💜
Finally a voice of reason!
I was getting tired of hearing ppl (some who've followed BTS for a while) bagging the company for lack of support. It's like they forget this is the members Solo period. As BTS, the company had main control & members contributed. But as Soloists the members are in control & the company is supporting.!
You know when layover era started I was so happy, I'm not even taehyung biased but I was very excited about his debut. Maybe music taste is similar to his, that's why. Then I saw the news bighit won't promote him cause his promotional activities will be handled by min hee jin. I was little bit disappointed but was happy because taehyung must've wanted this.
Then love me again and rainy days dropped. I LOVED the songs. They were so easy to listen to, no auto tune, nothing. Then days passed and bighit wasn't moving at all. No billboards, no posts from greffen. Well I thought wait maybe minheejin is handling it differently.
Then the numbers came out the next day. It's quite good for slow songs like these. But what shocked me was US armys. Love me again charted on us Spotify with less than 300k. It's the least for any BTS releases. Mind you, jimin's bsides got 400k least( just using as example). Then I'm like okay , maybe because it's a surprise release that's why they couldn't prepare. But I remembered how armys streamed for BTS no matter what.
After few days everything became more clear to me. How different armys were becoming. How differently armys acted towards taehyung, they started to ignore his related posts.
I was calm still. Then layover dropped. The title track slow dancing. It got 300k from US armys. A title track. Then they dropped it next day. US armys mocked , criticised and bullied Viet and Thai armys for their streaming method. When Thai and Viet armys gave taehyung their biggest streams.
You are probably wondering why I am only talking about US armys. It's because they ran this fandom. They decide which member gets praised for something and which not. They only move when bighit tells them to move. Majority of them are shippers but act like they are the ot7. Pretend all you want, but at the end you won't be able to hide it.
Anyways then the sales thing happened. Which was at first v chinabars fault. But then shipments got cancelled cause bighit was unable to ship the PREORDER I repeat pre-ordered albums. Greffen aka BTS us label didn't post anything about taehyung til the last day of the tracking week. The last day. Nothing from us came. Do BTS members calls billboard company for ads? Isn't it bighit's job to at least put a billboard for their artists? Anyways let's not blame bighit.
Let's talk about how armys energy was completely different when it comes to taehyung. Specially after those rumours. You come here and tell me layover era was easy cause you choose not to see what happened everyday with his album and how his fanbases had to beg armys to participate but no one did. How other members magazine covers got more attention from armys then taehyungs song?? You guys did the same thing with D-day too. Completely abandoned yoongi . Taehyung had 50k stock for slow dancing CDs, Us armys didn't move, they are still not sold out. But for Jungkook they already bought 60k within the 2nd day. Yes jungkook has the GP support but GP isn't buying CDs. Armys are.
Everyone is comparing taehyung and jungkook on chart. But did taehyung get several remixes? Did taehyung get singles ? Did taehyung get collaboration from Western artist ever in his 10 year career? Did bang pd come to taehyung with songs? No but jungkook did. Then why compare? Why can't armys give the effort to taehyung when they can see that taehyung isn't being pushed by his label? Why the lack of energy for taehyung? Why did armys disappear whole August and September for taehyung but suddenly active now. Is it because of bighit? Do you realise how important role bighit plays? Even if members choose to go different ways for promotion, it's bighit's job to give the same energy and enthusiasm for each debut. Because that's when armys move.
Layover is a beautiful album, probably my 2nd top album of this year. No. 1. Is indigo. But this debut made me realise armys aren't really ot7 , they pretend like they are, so that they can police other armys. I actually cried several times this month cause taehyung really deserved better although his album , all his song did so good on charts. He got everything he wanted. He wanted everyone to focus on every song, look how every songs are doing so well globally excluding US. But the energy can not be hidden. Your favouritism cannot be hidden. Difference in energy between 2 weeks ago and now is so transparent.
I agreee with you, army's are bunch of hypocrite who only put efforts for their fav members nd these big accounts with massive following do this. They just give their all for certain members.
It really hurts to see how they ignore few members hard work and efforts so easily.
Thank you for your response. I appreciate your candor without a lot of bashing. I am US ARMY and this is my point of view. I really enjoy BTS music, some songs more than others. Once they announced their solo activities I knew the music I would enjoy more. I like pop music. I can listen to it all day and never get bored. I bought all the members music but I cannot stream the rap line as much as the vocal line. RM’s Wildflower surprised me. I love that song. That is an exception. Now the vocal line. I streamed Jin a lot but decreased when Indigo dropped. Then Vibe and On The Street dropped. There were too many songs to stream. When Jimin’s album dropped and Spotify, Billboard and TH-cam were playing games I dropped all songs but Jimin’s to get him to do well. Everyone was surprised he got number one. Spotify and TH-cam continued their games for three weeks with deleting streams and views. It was crazy. When Suga’s first song dropped only a week after Like Crazy I figured most ARMY would flock to Suga and Jimin still needed support. Plus I love Jimin’s songs and rap is really not my thing. IU has a great voice but I don’t favor her music. I figured Suga solo Stan’s and IU fan base would help Suga’s music and Jimin needed more help after all the bad press with his tumble down the Billboard chart and no more promotions. When JK’s song dropped, the streams for Like Crazy dropped. I figured pop music lovers like me switched to new music. JK’s song did so well I stayed mostly with Jimin to keep him afloat. Then V dropped his music. Again, I am a pop fan, not R&B. Also, I figured, V would do well since he seems to have the most solo stans. Like Crazy streams dropped steeply when V’s music dropped. Like Crazy fell off the Artist chart. I streamed Jimin’s music even more to try and counter the fall. I am saying all this to at least show that I am not trying to undermine other BTS members, I just like what I like and have supported all members with purchases but I am only going to listen to songs that make me happy, especially if I need to do it on repeat.
US army's are biased towards to JK and Jimin. I remember their solo songs euphoria, my time, filter, serendipity sold 500k units in America euphoria sold 1M units none of the other members get those numbers except j-hope mixtape that also sold 1M units. My time and filter also enter in billboard hot 100.
@@michellem6826LC charted 180+ days on spotify it's one of the longest charting Korean song and he charted 188 days on artist chart the only soloist to do so, if he left the chart he needed to release new music again it happened to other artist too.
@@hya_cynth agree. I added the chart to support the drop in streams and my thoughts.
RM's vinyl album is GORGEOUS.
Oooh this about to get SPICYYYY like if we're honest the fandom have never been this divided I hope this helps at least a bit
Solos want their favourite member to be mistreated so bad so they can swoop in and "save" him. Instead of enjoying the music, they pick apart every little thing!!
they want the "X member needs to leave BTS" narrative because they are majority kpopies undercover, they want BTS to disband and token stan one member (sometimes two, especially bc ml stans are full of shippers) lmao
@@delilah9185 lol you hit the nail right on the head. They don't care about a member's artistic vision, only their own desires 🤦♀
@@delilah9185 Oh my that's something I noticed on youtube comments
This is a great start point to begin the talk on solo stans, it has become a HUGE problem within the fandom. If solo stans were just over there somewhere enjoying the one member's works that'd be alright (although very weird to not like the other 6 but i digress) but they are ingrained in our army spaces, ruining our peace and being highly disrespectful and hateful towards the other members. We need to talk about this because BTS don't deserve the mess that this fandom has become.
Also Armys forget preference.. these boys have all made their solo debut with the different styles and genres that will not appeal to everyone.. I liked Jimin’s music a lot,I also like some of Jhope’s and RM’s.. I like seven from JK but 3D is not doing it for me at all and I couldn’t connect with V’s songs except for slow dancing..the others were just not it for me and that’s okay..
It doesn’t mean I didn’t support them or don’t love em or they’re being sabotaged.. some armys need to chill..
Facts. Any practical music listener is always prepared for certain things by their favs to not resonate with them. It's so normal it's almost boring to think about. But yeah, being the ARMY I am I still buy and run my streaming playlists to support. And then I use my actual listening playlists for the songs I like. There's no need to do mental gymnastics and come up with wild excuses for why a member "didn't really like the song" or "they were forced to release it" just because you're not vibing with that particular one.
@marygalligan6455 Every member is not the same. They designed and requested the promo they wanted, that was most comfortable for them in this new solo territory. At this point it's either you believe what the members say about their solo desires and learn to accept that some don't match yours. Or you just do not care what they say. BTS are practically BEGGING us to trust their words and so many ARMY proclaim all day that they do. Yet, still, the complaints of favoritism persist. The constant crys of, "yeah but, yeah but, what about...?" I wish y'all would just say you don't believe them and go. Say you think they have no freedom and are just lying to us every time they go live. Say you think their decisions are wrong and that they don't really know what's best for them. Because I'm so tired of the "just saying" crowd. The ones that try not to sound like mantis and solos but have the same arguments in the end.
@marygalligan6455 I'm not new so I've heard all these excuses before, for years. You brought up JK's promo (stop being a coward and say his name) to elude to it being out of favoritism and not simply the choices JK made. Choices the others encouragd him to make, choices he was inspired to make by watching his brothers, choices the other sincerely congratulated him for. These thinly veiled slights your contingent make are child's play and insulting to BTS' support of each other - not to mention their continued trust in their label and crew. Say what you mean outright or say nothing. If you actually respect BTS and their decisions, you'll do at least that much. And telling me your age only makes your comments all the more disappointing.
Boracity, you have the most analytical and comprehensive musical content I’ve ever seen on TH-cam. Please never stop💜 This video was so needed. Thank You.
Thank you this video made me fall in love with BTS even more
It always makes me laugh when I see comments like "The company isn't doing anything, -insert member- is doing it all themselves".
Because who the heck do these people think set up all the promos in the first place?
Do these solos think Taehyung wandered into that cave and casually asked a random worker if he could set up his mic and cameras?
Anyway I've said it multiple times, but I will NEVER forgive those "solos" who made Hoseok feel bad for "not doing enough", to the point where he felt he had to apologise, especially knowing he always had the plan to release a physical copy after he enlisted.
Their promotions were so very 'them'. The fact that there are people who can't see that is baffling. If 'you' feel that way then you clearly don't pay attention.
While I agree with a lot of this video I have to disagree about Taehyung's album debut.
There really was sabotage.
From under-stocking pre-ordered albums.
China V bar his largest fan club having more than half of their 815,000 album order cancelled so he lost the Hanteo chart first day sales record.
- deletion of whole day Spotify streams
-No promotion by Geffen in USA they also delayed delivery of his CDs so it didn't go to BB charts.
-Target hiding his album.
-sandwhiching his album between seven, JHope's album from yr before re-released only 2 weeks before Layover & 2 weeks after his album they released 3D.
They could have spaced this out better JITBC had a whole yr to be released why wait until Tae's debut, Seven could been released before as Suga's album was released in April there were 3 months there was nothing else released.
There was a lot more done than this it would be a very long answer.
At last someone making total sense. I wish the solos and children would listen. The complainers don’t understand market segmentation. The reason they have said their team is so strong is because they each have areas in which they shine and don’t overshadow each other.
I am so happy that they got to show their special colors and talents like this! We all knew, but they themselves needed to self validate and prove to themselves that they were capable. And now they're starting to pursue other goals, both individually and as a team.
Future is looking good for Army! We have BTS!
💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Completely agree!
My Most favorite Promotion era was For Taehyung.... So Many Shows that he prepared for us. I had so much fun. I also loved how Hobi & JK did Festivals. I need all the members to do more Live shows. Thags the best they are in.
Jin is my bias i luv jin no whats he do i liked watching him💜💜💜🙏👍
@@sofUs_2by your logic bts every song should have similar results right? .... Also it's impossible to like all the songs equally.... I'm pretty sure you yourself don't listen to all V's song equally..... Accept it or not this fandom has more pop lovers so pop songs do well.....(tbh majority of the world population loves pop).
Dreamers and people pt.2 didn't even debut in hot100. Sometimes the contents and the song itself matters too.....
@@sofUs_2you really think that armys have give 15M streams for jungkook ? 😂 we didn't even give that to Bts as a group.
@@sofUs_2 you're so dumb 😭watch the video once again
@@sofUs_2 Oh, he did a ton of content, no one questions that.
But he did no US promos AT ALL. He had no radio play, not a single US spin. He got on the 100 on sales alone. And that's actually a remarkable achievement for a non-American artist, especially when the song isn't in English. You ought to know by now how the US music industry behaves towards K-pop, and how irrelevant the chart is when it comes to REAL popularity. If BB doesn't want you on the charts, BB will find a way not to put you there, and that's the end of it.
What you should be proud of, and praising ARMY for, is that he ran second in sales to Olivia Rodrigo. And SHE released TWENTY-TWO versions of her album PLUS bundles. V got #2 with a *single* version of LayoVer and *no* bundles- the HONEST way- and that's amazing.
Thank you so much! I actually loved everyone's promotion style. It reflected their personality and music 💜💜💜
I would go even as far as to say that their strategy for this chapter 2 is "divide and conquer". They're not just re-introducing themselves and their own unique color to the industry as soloists, but with each solo project they're all promoting to different audiences and niches of music, thus exposing not only them but also the group to new people who perhaps would initially be put off with the huge statement that is BTS, only this way could look at them in a different light and become potential fans. This kind of soft promotion will bring them new waves of fans even during hiatus and chances are these people will be seated (or even fully dedicated ARMY) when they all return as a group. They're clearly playing the long game and as they said at 2022 FESTA, that's their goal: longevity! It's genius, really! Instead of trying to victimize them as if they were innocent to an industry they are a part of for more than a decade, we should celebrate and respect them for the smart, resourceful and insightful artists they truly are.
Fist bump! Thought the same thing. I was shocked when some 'ARMYs' were upset with JK for singing BTS songs in the Global Citizen concert because 'only BTS should perform BTS songs' when that was part of the genius plan to get BTS songs and name continued during the hiatus.
Well said. As each one has debuted & had a different vibe, I was thinking the same thing. Our very smart boys/men & their brilliant BigHit strategists. They most definitely know what they're doing.... and probably have their next 10-20 years outlined as well!😁 (Their business prowess is one of the reasons I love & respect them so much. Not only extremely talented, smart, & philanthropic, but business savvy. Wish I was 30+ years younger because they are well rounded (& yet still fallible) role models.) Wishing them long, happy careers, whatever form that should take.
@@BlooBoop Hobi a;so did some BTS songs as did Suga
Thank you that's exactly what I thought too
Divide and conquer without pressuring the members to do what they are not comfortable with
Whoever can take this part should take it and who cannot would take another part according to their ambitions
@@AR-April I know. And it was great!
Crazy how after Jimin got #1 on billboard the company didn’t do sh#t for pushing the song more
Well Billboard clearly was racist to him and LC is a Korean song radios didn't want to play it
It was a hit but not as big as seven in terms of streams.
I know you think hybe is big but Billboard is ×10 bigger
The song had already dropped sure they would have restocked CDs so it could rise but Billboard sabotage was clear to everyone that could see.
And army's tried their best the song lasted I think 5 weeks on hot 100.
Seven lasted longer on playlist because it had numbers
If not it wouldn't have been able to get TTH no 1 after 8 weeks when it deserved it from the beginning if Spotify was a correct app
@@nakeyo2 seven was on the tth playlist since day one and has combined streams. The company could’ve sent the eng ver of lc 🤷♀️
wdym pushing the song more
@@boujeella radio/playlist
@@nakeyo27 estuvo en las más grandes listas de SP y tuvo radios...
Eso también impulso los puntos en BB.
Aparte de las ventas que Hybe no reabastecio los CD de LC pero de 7 si... Army y los solos de Jimin pidieron en Twitter por meses a la empresa y solo se pudo con Seven e Indigo...
Así que si, la empresa no ayudó a Jm... (Aparte de la entrevista Japonesa).
So many lovers of J. Cole discovered J-Hope as well as BTS from J-Hope's collab with J. Cole. Those with TH-cam channels thanked J. Cole for doing the collab and introducing them to the world of BTS. Just lovely.
Thank you so much for putting this video together. It's so in depth. Great work.
For me taehyung's album is the best. All songs are best and so much relaxing ❤ You can hear those songs when you are feeling disturbed or wanna fresh your mind. His album brings another kind of happiness to me. In fact my parents also like to hear those relaxing songs. I wish he may go ahead. I'm so proud of taehyung and his album.
BTS are very talented artists with each members having different plans for themselves. Trust BTS
From this video out of everything I'm really proud and amazed by The Astronaut. For whatever reason bh limited it's promo to the shortest, just 9 day preorder no playlisting whatsoever added to this is BTS playlist days after release and at #32 but still Jin managed biggest Spotify debut highest entry by an Asian Artist on billboard even surpassed BTS and blackpink and became the first ever million seller Jin's power is actually INSANE can't wait!!
Also I meantioned it because I realised it more after this video so I could not help myself but say it out loud coz it really is cRaZy
So proud to be an an ARMY it feels relief that I understand what each of the boys meant before releasing their albums ❤
Yeah Jin's power is actually insane it's like he'll never aim for the chart and focus on creating ART which is a masterpiece in itself and get gigantic success without even intending for it😭
He's such a Superstar 😭😭
So true I also felt that😭
Thank you Boracity for helping alot of ARMYS in understanding and hopefully putting a stop to this madness. BORAHAE 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Who created the term Borahae? Was it JK? Or was it someone with actual talent who knows how to sing?
@@ML-rs7we the fuck?
@@ML-rs7we it was V who created borahae. Sry, but everyone is talented in Bts.
@@PR_YA it was not JK. JK is talented, but the least talented in BTS
@@ML-rs7we lol wht? 'Least talented ' jk.. He is most popular and talented one in Bts like other members.
I'm personally enjoying seeing all the elements that make BTS in the solo debuts. We alos get to see parts of them we couldn't when they were grouped. It's still frustrating when all the comments talk about numbers and charts etc. I always end up thinking 'can nobody else see how amazing this is?', it's great to see there are.
I agree. They, (BTS members) KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING! There is a reason for everything they do, they play the long game not brief fads. Also they have different tastes, ambitions and visions of their arts but that's what makes them so cohesive as a group. 💜
@@KC_5902usted vio todo el vídeo y sigues con esa narrativa? Tienes la misma idea que solo stan
1. Borahae sí lo creo Taehyung para dar un significado profundo cuando vio el proyecto de army para apoyarlos y creo el término para BTS y el fandom. Él incluso puede reclamar y certificarse para él sólo pero sabes que lo dio al grupo y su fandom. Cada vez que lo usan no recibe regalías?
2. Parece que usted no vio ningún suchwita que por lo que sé solos stan son tan ruidosos llamando de manera horrible a Y00ngi porque no salía en el programa y luego que salió les dio la bofetada para ustedes cuando se dio el programa y hablo de lo mucho que quiere estar en el grupo. O acaso él mentía? Ustedes mismos no respetan al que dicen ser stan
3. No has visto que JK dijo que quería experimentar con muchos géneros musicales y le encantaría colaboraciones? Lo dijo, cuál es la sorpresa? Dijo que serían 3 canción con coreografías? Tae saco 5 mv y algunos los llaman privilegiado esto es ridículo cada uno hizo lo que deseo
Cuántas veces ellos han dicho que hacen lo que quieren con su música y quieren experimentar?
4. Recuerdo que Tae dijo que no buscaba algo tan grande incluso no ha ido a US igual que otros miembros. Pero fue a Japón (segundo mercado más importante de la música)
No entienden que bts elige que hacer con su álbun
Debió dolerte mucho esa renovación de contrato sabiendo que de acuerdo a las leyes lo envías cuando todos los miembros están de acuerdo. Es decir que lo decidieron en conjunto
Si ellos fueran maltratados y no tuvieran esa libertad lo hablarìan y se hubiera ido. Dime a qué empresa quieres que se vaya? Ustedes ni respetan lo que ellos quieren
Te recuerdo que ese Bang PD ya no es el ceo de BH. Y sinceramente esa empresa tendrá sus dificultades y cosas que corregir pero crees que eres el salvador se x miembro? Crees que él es un niño que no sabe nada de música o cómo se maneja la industria musical? Se han graduado hasta de maestrías en entretenimiento y producción y supuestos fans quieren manejarle la vida Literalmente Tae recibió ayuda de una de las productoras de otra subsidiaria de ese consorcio hybe (Ador) eso demuestra que hizo lo que quiso y tiene libertad musical.
Y bts sigue siendo un grupo aunque te duela mucho
Así que dices apoyarlo al menos respeto el amor a su grupo, a su fandom y quédate en la esquina porque bts continuará
@@ivy721 realizó dos mv: set me free pt2 y like crazy para Face. Su álbum tiene en sí 5 canciones y un skit. El artista decide cuánto mv hacer. Después de todo ellos son los que tienen estar involucrado más lo que quieren transmitir en sus canciones. Supongo que sabes que Face es muy personal para él. Has visto una entrevista en dónde haya dicho que quería hacer más de mvs?
Realmente mucho sacan a relucir como si él no si hubiera reunido para su álbum con pdogg e involucrarse de principio a fin con su trabajo y luego salen a minimizar su autonomía porque se molestan porque no sale como los solos stan relatan
Ellos sólo nos brindan parte de su experiencia del proceso musical. Todo el proceso no nos lo enseña. Lo que nos corresponde es apoyar y dejar estar en poco de sospecha cuando es un artista ya consumado de más de 10 años de experiencia (como bailarín contemporáneo y miembro de bts) en verdad creen si no estuviera de acuerdo no lo diría? Renovó contrato con su grupo y si ellos les gusta estar en esa empresa bueno ellos sabrán. Ellos no son marionetas ni nadie y menos un supuesto fan puede decirle que hacer porque no le manejan la vida.
@@ivy721 hablo de Jimin y su proceso de su álbum Face
Muchos solos stan han estado cuestionando las promociones, proceso musical y más. Y es por ello boracity creo el vídeo. Wn twitter es realmente visible la gran cantidad de odio que lanzan los solos stan de cada chico y no podemos considerar a estas personas como aliados cuando hablan muy mal de los demás chicos al punto que deseaban disolución del grupo
I STAN BTS AS A WHOLE! IF ANY OF YOU DO NOT IT IS YOUR CHOICE, BUT PLEASE DON'T SPREAD YOUR NEGATIVITY HERE!
@@huntressmma1822 igual yo
Soy army ot7
Me molesta los solos stan y akgaes que vienen a comentar sus tonterías
Gracias por tus palabras
I'm so damn glad she exists!!! TIGHT SLAPPP TO THE HATERS, SOLO STANS & TOXIC SHIPPERS!!
Oh my goodness, Thank you Yes, Yes and a Big Yes...✌💜
Boracity is a godsend!
I really like this segment! Each member is a lot more involved and have more input with their solo careers than what people think. I can see each members personality and what they wanted in each members release.
I just don't like the overlap of promotions which makes it seem like the company is being unfair. a for example V has only had 2 weeks of promotions and now the company is promoting 3D by JK. This continues to happen which divides fan support and creates solo stans out of OT7 stans.
That what i said plus jks songs are heavily promoted in west so everyone is gonna talk about it but taes album got sandwich in between to songs who have many versions physical CDs and all
I get it coz it's felt hectic and a lot, but we have to remember that chapter 2 has been as up in the air for them as it has us. They are trying to fit all of this in around their enlistments and not doing things at exactly the same time as each other. It's a weird time period for both us and them. We've heard them talk about how even the plans for their group comebacks and activies can end up getting derailed and changed repeatedly and that's with all efforts focused on one thing. That's now happening 7 times over plus adding in extra releases such a collabs or focused singles.
They aren't just focusing on their one solo project, but also trying to think ahead to have things prepared that can be released whilst they're enlisted. They are also having to prepare themselves for enlistment, which must be incredibly daunting. They have a lot going on and a lot to deal with outside of just their solo project/promo period.
If they didn't have enlistment then they'd never be cramming 7 individual solo album projects (+ the extras) into 18 months. They obviously chose to all try and release something before enlisting, and if they hadn't and only some members had released something then people would have been unhappy about that too.
I just think it helps when I feel a bit frustrated to try and remember the whole perspective of what they are facing to see why things have ended up being like they have. I'm sure solo projects after enlistment will be much more spaced out from each other and handled better.
They are running out of time a little Bit so they overlap I think
@@ivy721 I agree jimin also get less promotion doesn't mean tae get it more the sabotage we face during layover is extreme
This is one of most comprehensive and intelligent commentaries I've watched in a long time. Thanks so much.
Tbvh, releases last year were more enjoyable than this year. They all did sooo well though. It's just that for this year, it's all about numbers. Fans are more excited to see how many copies of the album will be sold, how high the songs will rank in the charts, how many streams will it make in the first 24 hours, how many records will it break, etc., instead of just enjoying and feeling the MUSIC they shared. Sometimes, the real intention of the artists in releasing their work is getting overshadowed by the goals of the fans to break records and it would indeed end up getting compared. Sigh. I am just soooo glad all 7 of them have a beautiful relationship with each other that negativities will never get in their way. Ugh I honestly can't wait for 2025.
Agreed. I feel like number/chart updates and 'achievements' have all become meaningless noise at this point. I just want to be able to enjoy the music and whatever else they are putting out without obsessing over numbers all the time. It just sucks all the joy out their releases when that's all you focus on, whilst I've been loving seeing their personalites shine and feeling like we are getting to know each of them a bit more.
It also feels like the numbers and chart updates can no longer be reported without it including 'breaks the record' or 'surpasses' so some of the 'achievements' are starting to become more and more absurd.
@@crunchielover2 Ugh I hate it so much too when huge fanbases use those terms! They are probably unaware but they're making the other members look less successful and they're feeding solos with stuff they can use to drag the other members. This is actually one of the reasons why I don't check twt every time there's a new release.
Fr, I really, really loved Astronaut, it actually made me an ARMY, I always cry whenever I listen to it and then Wildflower was another masterpiece which I can't stop talking about
@@crunchielover2 I must admit I didn't take that notice of achievement of course I heard the all had a smile for the all but my priory was enjoy the music and support them by buying and streaming so they get what they should in terms of getting paid for their art.
Each member have different personal taste. Each member have different directions they want to go. Each member got to decide what was important to them. I trust that they decided what is best for them in the time frame they had. The only thing I wish is that Jin would have had more time to do a full album before he left. 💜 love to all seven!
Question for u - for jimin as you say is targeted to global pop, so what was the reason for no radio play in US and not being in top hits spotify? I just really wanted to understand this part
Payloa it's the illegal pay for play system that rift in the US Radio. BTS and BigHit rightly will not engage in illegal activities. USA ARMY know all about it. Also Boracity has all the receipts on it in one of her videos. Bascially a few years ago 3 main Radio companys went to war they bought out as nearly all the independent radio stations in the US. But US radio is dying a slow death. Now they run an illegal 'Pay for play' system people have been court doing this and have end up in court. Bascially they'll use 'Promoter' as a third party working between the Radio stations and artist music companies. If you don't pay the Radio stations your artist songs don't get played simple as that. The more you pay the more times your song is played. Some artist might get a few old plays but then the subject of money will come up and if the record company is not willing to engage in illegal activies eg pay for play the Radio will stop playing the artist song There are few small independent radio station left but they have very small airwave coverage. I've also found out that a lot of radio stations in the US don't have people there it's all piped from the main stations HQ with only one person who goes in to do the local news annoncements .
that's a good question i also wanna know
maybe because the main single and "og version" was in korean and even bts as a group struggles with radioplay with their korean songs? Wasnt "like crazy" in the top of some charting playlists for weeks? Like i personally read about it being in nr. 1 spot weeks if not months after its release 🤔
I mean I'm not from the Us, so I cant speak for the radioplay of the other members (and frankly i also do not care so much for this kind of stuff lol) , but his overall promotion was more for the korean/asian market as far as i can tell... and i also dont think targeting a "global pop audience" does mean ...the top of US charting system... you can aim for an international audience and not aim for breaking any records at all. Maybe jimin also just wanted to promote it "globally (or USA)" to gain more confidence personally for oversees promotion as a solo artist (and bc he knows that he has a lot of fans over there that he wants to please) and not necessarily for the placative success and fame, who knows? we dont unless they share it with us :)
@@larajackson239 as i remember, both version of like crazy was/is doing good and korean version was viral but only eng version get added in some playlists for days after it's success. And no like crazy wasn't given top of any playlists but it did chart well for weeks and months. like crazy got added in some playlists after days , weeks and some after it's success but soon it got replaced by other songs despite being viral .
i don't think anyone while making lc didn't thought about global Audience as their audience cause the whole team including jimin was so happy after it's global success. and global music scene more pop oriented than korean/ asian music scene so it's obvious that the music scene aim was more about global than home / asian focused
I don't think his solo debut was targeted for specific "pop" audience because if it was the promotion would be lot focused on US like jungkook.
I love your content and I couldn't agree more with what you express. I think that the majority of ARMY does not need an explanation, but there is another group of ARMY that should understand that they are 7 different artists who have different visions and tastes. They know best what is best for them and decide how to do it. Some fans go overboard in their desire to protect, but they should know that they are intelligent adults, surrounded by a team that always supports them. We as fans should only trust their decisions and support and enjoy their work.💜Borahae
I appreciate that they were authentic in their solo's. RM, V and J-hope 😘 albums suited my personal music preference. I like and listen to most genre's, however I am a sucker for jazz fusion, neo-soul and hiphop.
Even though all of their styles are very unique, I actually really like all of them. I don't even like rap, but J-Hope's Suga's and RM(I think RM might be my favorite of those 3. I really like Wildflower) lyrics are just so powerful so I listen to them when I feel like reading the lyrics and crying. I also really love Jungkook's classic pop, it's a bop. I'm really drawn to Jin(THE ASTRONAUT AAAAAAAA I mean I know he only got 1 song but that song is dang good) and Jimin's style(Like Crazy, Serendipity, Lie, all such a bop). What is their style called? Idk what it is, I fucking love it so much. I also really like V's work. Singularity and Stigma are just so unique and amazing, I just feel like I'm in an abstract world when I'm listening to them. The rest of his song's I've found are really good study music, really get me in the mood, so they're in my study playlist. Another thing I've noticed is a lot of BTS' songs, if you look at the lyrics, are talking about their struggles of being famous and the negative things it has brought into their life. Which I totally agree with, I think being famous is not good for someone's mental health, especially for k-pop stars due to k-pop training hell and the even stricter rules choking their lives. I just love them for how... real they are. They want to express themselves and you can tell they're really into music. A lot of their songs are like nothing I have ever heard before. A lot of people in the US just think people listen to k-pop because they find the artists hot, but I think a lot of k-pop artists, especially BTS, offer really amazing songs that I get very invested in, not because of their looks. I remember so many times where I listen to their songs and I can't stop crying, or I spontaneously dance like no one is watching, or I just get entranced to where it feels like everything has faded around me, and I'm being brought into the abstract world of their song, their soul. Each BTS member is so amazing, and I'm so glad I discovered them in 2017. A lot of my favorite childhood music memories are with them, they'll always hold a special place in my heart
Thank you for bringing up this topic. Solo stans are becoming more vocal and more toxic… it needs to stop
If I can clear them from Twitter I will
Thank you yet again for another brilliant video. One thing you said abiut them being multidimensional artists really hit home for me because i remember fighting in a group chat with other army who kept bashing the english releases and saying BTS should have stuck to the korean music that made them famous. It seems some people dont understand that as artists they are and definitely muat explore with whatever genre they want. Sure it could be for a targeted audience but that's what makes them the huge group they are because they can pull fans with different preferences. Trying to put them in a bix of "oh thats what i expect from them and what theyve done" wouldn't let them be the musical giants thwy are now and as their fans we should allow them the freedom to tap into other areas not try to hold them tight and forbid them from changing 💜
it’s true that things are messy right now in the fandom due to a fandom cleanse happening but we can make it till 2025. we need to be organized again like back in the days, don’t let solos gaslight you and manipulate you armys! remember theres no such thing as ot7 army, REAL ARMYS ARE OT7 and love ALL members
(also army please vote for jimin on idolplus and tae jin on fan n star)
Yes this fandom cleanse needs to happen & im glad it is happening. ❤ I'm proud of all 7 of them because they are doing what they want to do.
YESS LOUDER
I want all the solos and antis to get out of this fandom.....thts the best solution cus they're roots for hate.....rumors scandals and many more......😑 they argue with multiple fandoms...... and those fandoms have portrayed army's image as a toxic fandom 🥲
@@Jmsadmirer7 Most of the fandom is great...but some make the fandom look bad! That's the truth. I think nothing is wrong with having a bias or a favorite....Jin is mine...but as fans we must still love and support all 7...and emulate how they are with each other. They have always consistently shown that they are family ...and they are a team!🥰
@@vanessajones8772 ikr...but these solos have sent protest trucks to hybe cus tannies renewed their contract...it's not a bad thing to have a bias...but imagining tht only ur bias works hard only he deserves success is absolutely delusion...thy always try to separate thm by saying...my bias is mistreated blah...blah...thy are even calling themselves as kths...jjk1..pjm's...like this fandom was named as army for a reason...I'm 200% sure tht tannies won't be separated...cus thy are a family 💜✨️
Zach's interview is SO GOOD. I watched all of his interview with kpop idols and he always respect them and saw them as artists. His question is always deep about their music and artistry and I love that about him. I'm so glad RM aware of him and request an interview with him
Excellent!!!! thanks for putting this video essay/analysis out for those who seem to run with narratives other than listening and trusting these 7 talented and intelligent artists. 💜
So SO good! As always breaking things down clearly, concisely, & forever w/ receipts. We must always remember to respect & listen to our 7, they are quite clear on their intentions. All 7 have given us God tier projects. CAN'T WAIT FOR 2025!! THANK YOU!
Thank you for putting up this video. It really hurts my soul to see solo stans turning against one another like that. We are a family bound by our united love for BTS. The messages and actions of the boys throughout the years should teach us better. I appreciate their individual endeavors and approaches to their individual works. It shows how diverse but undeniably talented each of them are. I was not familiar with some of their preferred music genres, but the love I have for them made me willing to try and I completely enjoyed them! They are brothers and they are all for other members’ success. See how Jin said he’s cheering for them during WLIVE every chance he got.
Thank you for making this video, you just put into words what i've been thinking everytime I see someone saying how some members were miss treated or didn't get enough promo, those are artists that have been in the indestry for over 10 years, we should trust that they know what they're doing by now.
Just heard the introduction and gosh i know this is gonna be soo good!!!
Edit: people are so annoying with the western thing. Like let them create the songs they want like i LOVE every single release
Edit 2: i was one that didnt need the video bc i understood the meaning of each release but is really nice to see it all together in one video
WildFlower gives me goosebumps every single time
Indigo goes hard
I LOVE Indigo by RM. In my opinion his album is the most cohesive and most interesting. Followed by V. He talked about adult themes and revealed his true self outside the BTS bubble. Closer is one of my favourite songs of all time.
Classic over trends is top tier, couldn't agree more