McKenna takes the time and improves every player. He will become an even better player with regulars first team football and the coaching he will receive at ITFC.
I don't believe that money is the main reason. I just think the kid wants to play every week. He clearly felt undervalued by West Ham. However, he is a Premier League player and a Europa League Conference winner who was still on U21 wages and was offered little more. Shame on you Sullivan
I appreciate his time playing for West Ham even if he didn’t play a greater role for the club and proved himself enough to the managers/coaches he’s played for. I hope he stays healthy and does well for Ipswich Town. Wish him the best.
The irony now is Sullivan has to do something he hates doing - spending money on a fullback. Good luck to Johnson. He’s been a great servant and pro for the club.
TBH, this one saddens me more than Benni or Fornals, mainly cos it highlights the sheer incompetence of our board even more, and their lack of appreciation for things that are important and meaningful to the fans. Not to mention their complete inability. once again, to see the big picture. Ben is home grown, West Ham through and through, a complete utility player, and one that I believe could have been an absolute asset if given regular games in the right position. He was one of the only bright sparks when our season went turgid and gave the club more than enough opportunity to do right by him. Seemed like a lovely kid too that was very highly thought of by the rest of the squad. There's absolutely no way we can guarantee his replacement will not cost more money than he would've, or will fit in and deliver like he did. Madness! I live in Ipswich so have been keeping a close eye on the team, Manager etc. Although I'm gutted to lose Johnno, I'm glad that he's going to Ipswich. They have a Manager, a team, and a playing style that will really suit him and hopefully get the best out of him. The fans will love him too. Whether they get to play that style in the Prem we'll have to wait and see but I think this was probably the best move he could've made, and I wish him all the very best.
Spot on, this lot will get us relegated one of these days (or only avoided by the mediocrity of others) due to their endless incompetence and lack of real interest in the actual football club, other than that recurring ‘bigger picture’ of theirs.
Hope he goes and proves the club wrong and has an awesome career . Seems like a quality person who gave his all every time he played irrespective of how he was treated . We can’t afford to lose players with good character
I think he's come to the right club. I'm an ITFC fan and can tell you that boy will be well looked after by the club, from the owner, CEO and manager to all the players he plays with. They have made all the players feel part of a family and the results over the past two years have shown that. We may not have the best players the prem, hell we didn't have the best players in the championship. But we had the best togetherness, and everyone from top to bottom fights for each other. If KMc sees that in him, which you guys obviously do, he'll do very well at Portman Road. So thank you WHU for buggering up a simple contract offer to a player who clearly deserved better.
I'm an Ipswich fan. It's always somewhat satisfying to read references that someone is missed. However, your loss is our gain. Keiron McKenna has proven to be outstanding with developing talent, for him the perfect player is one who hasn't played to their potential rather than on already at their peak. Transforming a mid-table League One team to one winning automatic promotion (notably without parachute funds) in 2.5 seasons is an exceptional achievement. Now it's clear just 2-3 signings in summer is insufficient, it seems 7 + goalkeepers are being lined up. Anyway, good luck and may I wish you well for the other 36 games next season ;)
Big shame. Last of the academy players. Looked great as a 19/20 year old breaking into the team and should have become an established PL player. Looked alright last season too. Feel like West Ham let him down and Im surprised so few West Ham supporters and staff rate him.
I believe he’s highly rated by many of the coaches at the club with a couple telling him he should have played more (last season) often. Not that it matters much now though. Next season be first for me with no academy players in the first team (appreciate Earthy get SOME minutes)
If you have someone who gets played in 4 or 5 different positions and is not given a run of games you will leave. Good luck to him and hope he does well.
I can't help but see similarities between the Johnson and Diangana situations. Neither player wanted to leave, both were ultimately pawns in a long game
As an ITFC fan I’m shocked how Ben has been treated it’s a shame especially for home grown talent.. I’m sure our club and KM will treat him so well .. all we ask is a squad player and gives 100%
Johnson comes across as a level headed, intelligent lad. Just the sort of young player that Kieran McKenna will enjoy coaching.. Always sad to see a home grown player drift off... We've got a few at Ipswich, that will probably not be able to keep up with the speed of our trajectory... He''ll get plenty of minutes at Ipswich and he's under the wing of some very good coaching staff. And coming to a very positive dressing room..
Coufal makes more sense to replace. He's ageing and quite simply isn't good enough. Johnson yes isnt good enough to start as Right back but he is a good backup option and Coufal makes more sense to replace seeing that he is a starter and therefore his role is more important to the team and if he isnt pulling his weight (which he isnt) then replacing him makes more sense to me. I do understand where you are coming from tho however, I feel he hasnt had enough game time to show his quality and to be fair when he does play he tends to pull his weight more often than not yet the coaching staff and Moyes clearly disagreed.
Johnson should be at Ipswich. It's the only way he'll be able to prove himself. All of what both of you said is true so no point reiterating your points. Taking a cold calculated view, he still wouldn't beat Vlad out for a starting spot. Nor would he beat anyone else out for their position. Even if we had deigned to pay him what he's worth, he wouldn't play much. He'd continue to be a spare tire for West Ham. He'll get to push his football on at Ipswich under a good manager. He'll be a leader immediately. Arguably, he'll be the most important player in their side. I wish him well and look forward to watching him succeed.
Sad news. I guess he wants a clean slate, and why wouldn't he? Good luck to him, i think he will get a good chance at Ipswich to show just good he could be.. especially if he is not being asked to play in 3 or four different positions..
If the season started tomorrow id probably be starting Johnson. I was hoping that when Jlo came in that he'd stay. Wonder what Mark Noble thinks about this 🤔 I remember on your video with Ricky Martin, Gonzo, that he mentioned how good he was when he'd drop back to the under 23s and what an example he was. Hurts to lose a character like this.
Ben will do a good job and be appreciated at Ipswich.Wan Bissaka with Coufal can cover the right side. Who really knows what is going to be a good fit with this new man in charge. Only time will tell. I don’t see a big improvement initially. Low expectations leads to less disappointments.
As an Ipswich supporter, it is good business for Ipswich, as we have been building a squad where the entire squad is involved, Mc Kenna was not Manager of the Year for nothing. The rumour is £60K a week for Johnson The success of the last two years is the first time ever a team has got 90 plus point two years in a row, with the second year being in a higher division? We will need to up our game to stay up, but in my view we will be between 10th and 12th.
Lots of excellent comments about this. If Lopetegui wanted to keep Johnston I think he’d have made it happen. I don’t think he’d ever be our first choice and he’s decided to go where he thinks he’ll get regular football.
I think Johnson made up his mind to leave months ago, and ironically that's when we saw him showing the kind of freedom and ability that suggested he could be a top 8 player.
Don't blame him. He'll get to play first team football, under an exciting young manager who has shown he wants him. Ipswich will pay more because he's worth more to their team. Wish him all the best.
A few things, club just didn’t really treat him too well but it’s something we struggle with - those from the academy, having the same issue again with Lewis Orford now
As you say, this contract should have been easy to sort out. So why hasn't it been? The obvious answer is that the club didn't think he was good enough. He looked good enough to me and to you two, but what do we know? I wish him well and hope he has a good career, but if he doesn't I won't be all that surprised.
Good luck to Ben, comes across as a nice lad. The dropoff when he replaced Coufal was huge though. If that would have been the same in a new system under lopetgui we will never know.
Think you guys are missing the point today....Ben just wasnt good enough for where we want to be...all be it a squad player who sits on bench and only good enough for a fill in when injuries..(most players who come off the bench should have an impact for 20 mins)..he agreed with his current contract and fullfilled his term....its actually the best for him...to be playing week to week at Ipswich...and he ll be regarded as a quality player there because of his achievements at Hammers being involved in Europe and our profile as a club over past 4 years....he s gotta be excited for the new season and looking back I think he ll agree its the best move for himself...well done Ben...go and enjoy your football....
I think you are missing out point as well though. The club didn’t decide not to give him a new deal, they weren’t good enough offers at all. We also say going to Ipswich is a good move so we agree on that
In that game against sheffield united when Ben came into midfield he was a head above the the other players on the pitch. Although Sheffield was the worst team in the league, he is hardly a bad player. What kind of idiocy is there not to give the likes of Orford, Earthy or Johnsson a decent salary. There are no transfer fees involved so it is cheap. How have these owners been able to get rich. Feedback
Sorry. He’s finished his contract and is moving on. It’s a business. Nothing required beyond what they have done. He’s been made an offer and turned it down.
I think this is a win for Ben, he actually gets to play football and that’s the most important part. It’s better for us because now we are FORCED to buy a RB. Having both Ben and Coufal stops us upgrading, because 3 RB is pointless. So I hope we see us bring in a first team RB that gives us something more than Coufal. Good luck Ben and thanks for your service, but getting back to playing football week in week out will kickstart your career again.
@@HammersChat But traditional we’ve never really had a DoF, so I’m hoping we can get past those mistakes of the past. Slightly naive of me but I live in hope. I think thats why they never really wanted to have Coufal and Johnson on longer contracts, not so much higher money because they needed to always replace both of them, either this year or next. (I’m guessing obviously) So now it’s either a cheap 1 year temp replacement or an upgrade. But either way they need to be faster and more attacking. 🤞
I'm not sure but I think that his "financial" value as a sale (Academy player) on PSR is an immediate benefit ie sale price in total impacts this years bottom line. I hope someone more informed can clarify.
Town won't sack Mckenna, the only way he'd leave is if he's poached by a bigger club. With the choice of English managers in the PL he could even get the England job!
Sorry to see Johnson leave and good luck to him at Ipswich. IMO J-Lop dIdnt rate Ben, if he did the gaffer would make certain promises to him for game time and paid him a 60k a wk wage as we can afford that. Ipswich promised him game time and gave the wage he wants, simple as that. This may be a blessing in diguise as it will force us to bring someome in as Coufal cannot be 1st choice anymore. Get in Wan bisaka or someone who can handle fast and tricky left wingers. COYI
It probably wasn't about money he just didn't want to be second choice and Ipswich told him he was 1st choice I know what you saying about being a good squad player he just wants to play coyi
Wasn't he wanting £50k pw - Coufal is on £30k pw and deserves more than that - maybe £30k is more what he should have been asking for. He may have got game time with us with the new manager but we will never know.
But if you compare him to Ings - £100k per week and more, then he’s not asking for much. I feel it’s harsh to compare versus other players and the club should have a better structure and for the most part I think they do But they really struggle with academy players stepping into the first team and I think it’s down to giving Reece Oxford his deal
@@helenludlow2331 he was but he only signed that eventually, the original contract offer to Declan was a LOT less but he rejected it and numerous more. By time club accept their ask, they’ve played more games etc and their ask has increased. Also with Declan, he was offered £200k a week. Now he was never going to sign it but he was ‘only’ on 60 as he rejected contract offers but he could easily had been on a lot
I think he’s a decent player, never caused an issue, can play various positions and club trained too which can be priceless when in European football. Good enough for first choice right back? Maybe not but more than to have a role in squad, imo anyway.
I think it's a bigger shame that we didn't try to sign Leif Davis? The guy had a quality season in the championship and I don't know why he didn't make the national team? Southgate's in desperate need for a player in the LB position and should've given him the nod especially ahead of Shaw.
Southgate would have been slaughtered taking a championship left back. Also, getting Davis from a promoted Ipswich is laughable. If Ipswich failed to get promoted he would be available. Once they got promoted, we had no chance.
@@philwill0123 a LB who's outperforms Shaw and majority of British LB's? Championship level shouldn't matter Bowen came from the championship, there's plenty of talent in the championship who go on to perform in the top leagues
I don’t have any issues with his wage demands. I don’t think he’s a much worse full back than coufal. Plus, he has inherent value being home grown. No reason why he shouldn’t be paid as much as coufal, minimum.
@@HammersChat I actually agree - but it makes no sense in relation to the expectations that so many folks set up last season as reasons to be disappointed. Still, having real competition for every position shouldn't just come down to his much money you throw at the problem either, no? Isn't that what recruitment is about?
Squad player at best and wish him well as mentioned before by others, great lad but not at the level WH need to break into the top 6 consistently. Would he get into the teams above us? Answer…. No.
@@HammersChat on coufal or johnson? For me its just one average rb replacing another but were losing downes,a player who might actually work for loppy,in the process
@@HammersChat i dont think theres a massive difference,I certainly wouldnt view a straight swap with downes on top of losing johnson for free as a good outcome
As a Town fan, we will look after him
Good luck, he can play in several positions; he’ll want to do well for you m8
You have a good lad there.... always gives his best. Will be sad to see him in a bue shirt, but I wish him the best of luck,
He’s a good lad. ⚒️🫡
I hope so😢⚒️. I'm not being funny when I say, when this boy gets regular footie he will defo get better😊⚒️
McKenna takes the time and improves every player. He will become an even better player with regulars first team football and the coaching he will receive at ITFC.
It is a shame about Ben Johnson. He has been treated poorly. I wish him all the best for his move to Ipswich and for the rest of his career.⚒
Johnson is a good squad player and has been with West Ham since he was a child. I will be sad to see him go.
I don't believe that money is the main reason. I just think the kid wants to play every week. He clearly felt undervalued by West Ham. However, he is a Premier League player and a Europa League Conference winner who was still on U21 wages and was offered little more. Shame on you Sullivan
Couldn’t agree more.
Another poison pill gift from our former Manager.
@@stuartwillard6558nothing to do with Moyes
I appreciate his time playing for West Ham even if he didn’t play a greater role for the club and proved himself enough to the managers/coaches he’s played for. I hope he stays healthy and does well for Ipswich Town. Wish him the best.
Agree with every word
I hope Johnson goes on to have great success at Ipswich and the rest of his career .
The irony now is Sullivan has to do something he hates doing - spending money on a fullback.
Good luck to Johnson. He’s been a great servant and pro for the club.
Gross mistreatment & mismanagement of home grown talent
TBH, this one saddens me more than Benni or Fornals, mainly cos it highlights the sheer incompetence of our board even more, and their lack of appreciation for things that are important and meaningful to the fans. Not to mention their complete inability. once again, to see the big picture. Ben is home grown, West Ham through and through, a complete utility player, and one that I believe could have been an absolute asset if given regular games in the right position. He was one of the only bright sparks when our season went turgid and gave the club more than enough opportunity to do right by him. Seemed like a lovely kid too that was very highly thought of by the rest of the squad. There's absolutely no way we can guarantee his replacement will not cost more money than he would've, or will fit in and deliver like he did. Madness! I live in Ipswich so have been keeping a close eye on the team, Manager etc. Although I'm gutted to lose Johnno, I'm glad that he's going to Ipswich. They have a Manager, a team, and a playing style that will really suit him and hopefully get the best out of him. The fans will love him too. Whether they get to play that style in the Prem we'll have to wait and see but I think this was probably the best move he could've made, and I wish him all the very best.
Spot on, this lot will get us relegated one of these days (or only avoided by the mediocrity of others) due to their endless incompetence and lack of real interest in the actual football club, other than that recurring ‘bigger picture’ of theirs.
Bruva...that was Brilliant written👏👏👏 & is exactly how I feel also😢⚒️
Hope he goes and proves the club wrong and has an awesome career . Seems like a quality person who gave his all every time he played irrespective of how he was treated . We can’t afford to lose players with good character
Letting Ben or any academy player , go for a free, doesn't help our FFP, with the transfer figures. Great video lads
Good luck to him. I expect the regular first team football is what he needs.
Me too, hopefully works out for him and he’s made the right move, it feels like a good one
He didn't quit. He fulfilled his contract.
‘Johnson fulfilled his contract and joined Ipswich’ wouldn’t fit on the thumbnail
@@HammersChat😂
The original poster isn’t wrong, just glad someone seen it the way it was intended, getting fewer these days 😂
Exactly. Anyone leaving on a free fulfilled their obligation. Good luck Ben
Sorry you got moyesed.
Obviously Johnson thought he was bigger than whu
Fairplay to him. The damage had already been done. Wish him the best of luck
I think he's come to the right club. I'm an ITFC fan and can tell you that boy will be well looked after by the club, from the owner, CEO and manager to all the players he plays with. They have made all the players feel part of a family and the results over the past two years have shown that. We may not have the best players the prem, hell we didn't have the best players in the championship. But we had the best togetherness, and everyone from top to bottom fights for each other. If KMc sees that in him, which you guys obviously do, he'll do very well at Portman Road. So thank you WHU for buggering up a simple contract offer to a player who clearly deserved better.
I'm an Ipswich fan. It's always somewhat satisfying to read references that someone is missed. However, your loss is our gain. Keiron McKenna has proven to be outstanding with developing talent, for him the perfect player is one who hasn't played to their potential rather than on already at their peak. Transforming a mid-table League One team to one winning automatic promotion (notably without parachute funds) in 2.5 seasons is an exceptional achievement. Now it's clear just 2-3 signings in summer is insufficient, it seems 7 + goalkeepers are being lined up. Anyway, good luck and may I wish you well for the other 36 games next season ;)
All the best Ben Johnson 😢
Big shame. Last of the academy players. Looked great as a 19/20 year old breaking into the team and should have become an established PL player. Looked alright last season too. Feel like West Ham let him down and Im surprised so few West Ham supporters and staff rate him.
I believe he’s highly rated by many of the coaches at the club with a couple telling him he should have played more (last season) often. Not that it matters much now though.
Next season be first for me with no academy players in the first team (appreciate Earthy get SOME minutes)
I am a west ham fan I hope he scores the winner against us next season
Going to miss him. Great young player who will just keep improving 😢
If you have someone who gets played in 4 or 5 different positions and is not given a run of games you will leave. Good luck to him and hope he does well.
I can't help but see similarities between the Johnson and Diangana situations.
Neither player wanted to leave, both were ultimately pawns in a long game
He deserves to be treated better than our club has in recent years. I'm disappointed.
Just watched your vid after reading the mostly excellent comments,boyyy...BJ would be Proud👏👏👏Spot on boys⚒️HC⚒️
These guys are probably the most down to earth, normal, West Ham fans in the world.
As an ITFC fan I’m shocked how Ben has been treated it’s a shame especially for home grown talent.. I’m sure our club and KM will treat him so well .. all we ask is a squad player and gives 100%
Johnson comes across as a level headed, intelligent lad. Just the sort of young player that Kieran McKenna will enjoy coaching.. Always sad to see a home grown player drift off... We've got a few at Ipswich, that will probably not be able to keep up with the speed of our trajectory... He''ll get plenty of minutes at Ipswich and he's under the wing of some very good coaching staff. And coming to a very positive dressing room..
Right decision for me. Not good enough if we are looking to improve the squad.
Coufal makes more sense to replace. He's ageing and quite simply isn't good enough. Johnson yes isnt good enough to start as Right back but he is a good backup option and Coufal makes more sense to replace seeing that he is a starter and therefore his role is more important to the team and if he isnt pulling his weight (which he isnt) then replacing him makes more sense to me. I do understand where you are coming from tho however, I feel he hasnt had enough game time to show his quality and to be fair when he does play he tends to pull his weight more often than not yet the coaching staff and Moyes clearly disagreed.
The boy probably just wants a fresh start - good luck, all the best, Ben; always put a shift in wherever he was asked to play
Johnson should be at Ipswich. It's the only way he'll be able to prove himself. All of what both of you said is true so no point reiterating your points. Taking a cold calculated view, he still wouldn't beat Vlad out for a starting spot. Nor would he beat anyone else out for their position. Even if we had deigned to pay him what he's worth, he wouldn't play much. He'd continue to be a spare tire for West Ham. He'll get to push his football on at Ipswich under a good manager. He'll be a leader immediately. Arguably, he'll be the most important player in their side. I wish him well and look forward to watching him succeed.
Lovely comment and very fair, agreed too
That's a positive that Ben is probably rightfully excited about,. Excellent point
Sad to see the club not do enough to keep him. Rarely used in his real position, good luck to him.
It’s a disgrace but unfortunately not a surprise. Reeks of Sullivan. Don’t blame Ben and wish him all the very best.
Sad news. I guess he wants a clean slate, and why wouldn't he? Good luck to him, i think he will get a good chance at Ipswich to show just good he could be.. especially if he is not being asked to play in 3 or four different positions..
If the season started tomorrow id probably be starting Johnson.
I was hoping that when Jlo came in that he'd stay.
Wonder what Mark Noble thinks about this 🤔
I remember on your video with Ricky Martin, Gonzo, that he mentioned how good he was when he'd drop back to the under 23s and what an example he was. Hurts to lose a character like this.
...& the boy is gonna end up in the Prem again,No Doubt👍⚒️
Ben will do a good job and be appreciated at Ipswich.Wan Bissaka with Coufal can cover the right side. Who really knows what is going to be a good fit with this new man in charge.
Only time will tell. I don’t see a big improvement initially.
Low expectations leads to less disappointments.
As an Ipswich supporter, it is good business for Ipswich, as we have been building a squad where the entire squad is involved, Mc Kenna was not Manager of the Year for nothing.
The rumour is £60K a week for Johnson
The success of the last two years is the first time ever a team has got 90 plus point two years in a row, with the second year being in a higher division?
We will need to up our game to stay up, but in my view we will be between 10th and 12th.
He’s not on that much wage wise mate!
@@HammersChat I mean at Ipswich
@@kevinbailey3384 me too, he’s not on that wage mate.
He will be a great signing for you and wish him all the best
@@HammersChat Yes, he is a good lad by all accounts, and well liked by West Ham fans
Lots of excellent comments about this. If Lopetegui wanted to keep Johnston I think he’d have made it happen. I don’t think he’d ever be our first choice and he’s decided to go where he thinks he’ll get regular football.
I think Johnson made up his mind to leave months ago, and ironically that's when we saw him showing the kind of freedom and ability that suggested he could be a top 8 player.
He didn’t, he waited up until very, very recently as wanted to see what WHUFC would say/do
I'm sad to see him go, but we'll find out next season if he was good enough to stay.
Not surprised but still gutted all the same. It will be very weird not seeing his name on the team sheet anymore. Was a real asset
shame the staff dont agree :(
lopetegui wanted johnson to stay but could not offer him quaranteed first team football
Correct but damage was already done by those at the club.
Don't blame him. He'll get to play first team football, under an exciting young manager who has shown he wants him. Ipswich will pay more because he's worth more to their team. Wish him all the best.
I’m just wondering if there was something else as you are bang on they should have looked after him..
A few things, club just didn’t really treat him too well but it’s something we struggle with - those from the academy, having the same issue again with Lewis Orford now
the most underrated player for us -
As you say, this contract should have been easy to sort out. So why hasn't it been? The obvious answer is that the club didn't think he was good enough. He looked good enough to me and to you two, but what do we know? I wish him well and hope he has a good career, but if he doesn't I won't be all that surprised.
Tim Steidten wanted to keep him so he looked good enough to Tim as well
Guys your looking into this to deep west ham didn’t want him simply as that ⚒
I can promise you we aren’t
Leif Davis on the left, Ben Johnson Right, that is a seriously good improvement for Ipswich. Very shrewd piece of business there.
I am sad to see Ben go. I think we let him down to be honest. Good luck to him though.
It’s a ‘club’ thing, as Geo says. Fair point
In my opinion its disgraceful what's been done to Johno, Wes Forderingham is getting like £12,000 a wk FFS
Hope he does well at his new club. And don't forget, vote Reform people ! 🇬🇧
Good luck to Ben, comes across as a nice lad. The dropoff when he replaced Coufal was huge though. If that would have been the same in a new system under lopetgui we will never know.
Seems like he'll fit in really well here at Ipswich.
Not happy about this it shows poor player management from the club.
From a tractor boy/oap sounds like a Great signing for Ipswich
Had to make a move for footballing reasons. Like Cullen and a few others
I don't blame him going, treated very unfairly and not really given a long run of playing time.
Think you guys are missing the point today....Ben just wasnt good enough for where we want to be...all be it a squad player who sits on bench and only good enough for a fill in when injuries..(most players who come off the bench should have an impact for 20 mins)..he agreed with his current contract and fullfilled his term....its actually the best for him...to be playing week to week at Ipswich...and he ll be regarded as a quality player there because of his achievements at Hammers being involved in Europe and our profile as a club over past 4 years....he s gotta be excited for the new season and looking back I think he ll agree its the best move for himself...well done Ben...go and enjoy your football....
I think you are missing out point as well though. The club didn’t decide not to give him a new deal, they weren’t good enough offers at all.
We also say going to Ipswich is a good move so we agree on that
In that game against sheffield united when Ben came into midfield he was a head above the the other players on the pitch. Although Sheffield was the worst team in the league, he is hardly a bad player. What kind of idiocy is there not to give the likes of Orford, Earthy or Johnsson a decent salary. There are no transfer fees involved so it is cheap. How have these owners been able to get rich.
Feedback
Where was Nobes in all this?
Messy Messy club,this sends(& other club staff) a silent message!
Sorry. He’s finished his contract and is moving on. It’s a business. Nothing required beyond what they have done. He’s been made an offer and turned it down.
Sorry to see homegrown talent going - good luck to him. But the difficult truth is, he wasn't good enough for West Ham.
It’s a short career, you gotta get what you can
Has never really moved my world......i never thought he was premier level
Best of luck Ben. You've been treated appallingly by West Ham.
I think this is a win for Ben, he actually gets to play football and that’s the most important part. It’s better for us because now we are FORCED to buy a RB. Having both Ben and Coufal stops us upgrading, because 3 RB is pointless. So I hope we see us bring in a first team RB that gives us something more than Coufal. Good luck Ben and thanks for your service, but getting back to playing football week in week out will kickstart your career again.
I’d agree if I was confident we’d invest some money into a good right back, traditionally we tend not to spend much money at full back for some reason
@@HammersChat But traditional we’ve never really had a DoF, so I’m hoping we can get past those mistakes of the past. Slightly naive of me but I live in hope. I think thats why they never really wanted to have Coufal and Johnson on longer contracts, not so much higher money because they needed to always replace both of them, either this year or next. (I’m guessing obviously) So now it’s either a cheap 1 year temp replacement or an upgrade. But either way they need to be faster and more attacking. 🤞
@@kal-nor they offered Ben Johnson a 5 year contract though, literally 2 weeks ago.
@@HammersChat ok, thats my theory out the window. 🤷♂️
We should make it a thing now.
No mention of Moyes.
Sick of hearing his name!,
I'm not sure but I think that his "financial" value as a sale (Academy player) on PSR is an immediate benefit ie sale price in total impacts this years bottom line. I hope someone more informed can clarify.
If we received a fee then yes but he’s he leaving on a free due to expiry of contract
@@HammersChat Apologies
@@trevorhoward5005 no need to apologies, it’s correct for Nathan Trotts sale!
I can see moyes rolling up at Ipswich at some point this season
Leicester for me 😂
, I would fear for them then
@@HammersChat they won't sack cooper
Town won't sack Mckenna, the only way he'd leave is if he's poached by a bigger club. With the choice of English managers in the PL he could even get the England job!
@@jonkernow4477 man utd will take him at Xmas when they Sack the dutchman
Sad really...
I blame Moyes! 😂😂😂😂
Sorry to see Johnson leave and good luck to him at Ipswich. IMO J-Lop dIdnt rate Ben, if he did the gaffer would make certain promises to him for game time and paid him a 60k a wk wage as we can afford that. Ipswich promised him game time and gave the wage he wants, simple as that. This may be a blessing in diguise as it will force us to bring someome in as Coufal cannot be 1st choice anymore. Get in Wan bisaka or someone who can handle fast and tricky left wingers. COYI
It probably wasn't about money he just didn't want to be second choice and Ipswich told him he was 1st choice I know what you saying about being a good squad player he just wants to play coyi
Wasn't he wanting £50k pw - Coufal is on £30k pw and deserves more than that - maybe £30k is more what he should have been asking for. He may have got game time with us with the new manager but we will never know.
But if you compare him to Ings - £100k per week and more, then he’s not asking for much. I feel it’s harsh to compare versus other players and the club should have a better structure and for the most part I think they do
But they really struggle with academy players stepping into the first team and I think it’s down to giving Reece Oxford his deal
@@HammersChat No way should we have given Ings £100k pw but we don't learn - Declan was on £60k and he was captain!
@@helenludlow2331 he was but he only signed that eventually, the original contract offer to Declan was a LOT less but he rejected it and numerous more.
By time club accept their ask, they’ve played more games etc and their ask has increased.
Also with Declan, he was offered £200k a week. Now he was never going to sign it but he was ‘only’ on 60 as he rejected contract offers but he could easily had been on a lot
Is he actually any good though?
I think he’s a decent player, never caused an issue, can play various positions and club trained too which can be priceless when in European football.
Good enough for first choice right back? Maybe not but more than to have a role in squad, imo anyway.
West ham treat him badly i think.
No one has mentioned how poor Coufal was for the Czech side at the euros
We cover the Euros on patreon so don’t want to repeat ourselves constantly, which is easier said than done
(This isn’t a plug, just a FYI kinda thing)
Says it all
John will start every game at Ipswich, and he wouldn't with us.
I’d assume so and best of luck to him, hope it works out
Who's John?
@@DagenhamOutlet that's what Moyes called him
Can’t blame him really. He was treated really badly by the club’s hierarchy. Sad really because he was a good squad player.
I think it's a bigger shame that we didn't try to sign Leif Davis? The guy had a quality season in the championship and I don't know why he didn't make the national team? Southgate's in desperate need for a player in the LB position and should've given him the nod especially ahead of Shaw.
Southgate would have been slaughtered taking a championship left back. Also, getting Davis from a promoted Ipswich is laughable. If Ipswich failed to get promoted he would be available. Once they got promoted, we had no chance.
@@philwill0123 a LB who's outperforms Shaw and majority of British LB's? Championship level shouldn't matter Bowen came from the championship, there's plenty of talent in the championship who go on to perform in the top leagues
I don’t have any issues with his wage demands. I don’t think he’s a much worse full back than coufal. Plus, he has inherent value being home grown. No reason why he shouldn’t be paid as much as coufal, minimum.
If we don't know what he was offered we can't really commit
He will get better under McKenna. Look what he done with a bunch of very average players last season.
We are Ipswich give us all your skillful unwanted players and we will polish them up and play them. Been doing it for years
He's on 60 thousand a week, isn't bad.
He’s not on that much. He’s hardly poor and will make a pretty penny but it’s not £60k a week
Hmm, we need players that can compete for places, not just 'squad' players. Squad players get you mid-table. I thought people weren't happy with that?
Same time we aren’t big enough or rich enough to have two really good players in every position.
@@HammersChat I actually agree - but it makes no sense in relation to the expectations that so many folks set up last season as reasons to be disappointed. Still, having real competition for every position shouldn't just come down to his much money you throw at the problem either, no? Isn't that what recruitment is about?
another fine piece of work by moyes there...sucked the life out the poor kid.....good luck to him...coyfi
If it was solely down to Moyes, why didn’t he sign a new deal?
Squad player at best and wish him well as mentioned before by others, great lad but not at the level WH need to break into the top 6 consistently. Would he get into the teams above us? Answer…. No.
Would he get onto the bench? Yes I think he would. (Not all of them, of course but Newcastles I think he would)
West Ham have lost a great player and morally upstanding man. We at Ipswich will do right by him.
Let me guess Geo thinks its all going to be fine and we shouldnt panic 😂
If we sign then KWP then I’d argue it’s a significant upgrade?
@@HammersChat on coufal or johnson? For me its just one average rb replacing another but were losing downes,a player who might actually work for loppy,in the process
Johnson as that’s who he’s replacing
@@HammersChat i dont think theres a massive difference,I certainly wouldnt view a straight swap with downes on top of losing johnson for free as a good outcome
Who’s gonna sweep the dressing room now
Going on to bigger and better things.
The best tea boy West Ham ever had goodbye Johnson 🤣
A step up for the fella being at Ipswich.
Glad he’s gone…don’t think I’ve ever seen him win any decent tackles
People still tackle l must be watching the wrong game!
Good luck to him...just bring another player in ..simple
I don’t think he’s good enough, and I think whatever we offered him was reflective of that, below average prem player for me
This could come back to bite you on the arse
Maybe he wanted to be a first team player and it's not just about money
No manager can guarantee a player playing time..
I’d put money on it that Lopetegui can guarantee Kudus and Bowen game time