Wow, I can’t believe I was watching Kobe stuff just weeks before he died. I always do stuff like that, kinda start thinking about someone for some reason then that happens 😭
SydneyPhotography2019 Jordan at his worst was probably in 95 when he came back from playing baseball but still put up nearly 50 points on one of his first games back 🐐
yea bring him back cause he knows nothing thats what really make a good debate, dont bring back that other dude, cant think of his name but he has no personality and is a numbers guy, somebody tell me his name , hes black, but dont bring him back
Everybody talks about this. Okay ya sure Lebron had to face the warriors they're stopping him from getting rings. I may understand once they got KD it's impossible to beat GS in a 7 game series. So Lebron has been robbed of rings 2 times so far. Lebron's team beat the warriors that went 73-9 for the title. So obviously the year before when GS had 3 all stars against the Cavs 3 all stars Lebron could have won that series. Now let's talk about the other 5 finals Lebron James has been in. 3 of them Lebron had to face the Spurs which in 2007, Spurs swept the Cavs, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Ginobili were still in their primes, but were starting to wear down through the years they played. Then Lebron beat them in 2013 with help from Ray Allen who hit one of the most clutch shots in NBA history to push it to 7 games. Then they lose to that exact same San Antonio team the next season in 5 games. The other 2 finals Lebron beat the OKC thunder. Props to him. But when Lebron went up against the 2011 Mavs that had just ONE all star (Dirk Nowitzki) against his 3 on the Heat? What the hell happened? Dirk lead the Mavs to a championship over the Heat in 6 games with a starting 5 of an OLD Jason Kidd, JJ Barea, Shawn Marion, Dirk, and Tyson Chandler. This is why Lebron ain't no GOAT.
This narrative to push and compare lebron to jordan is getting annoying. Like every single year, the media keeps talking about this even after lebron keeps on loosing to the finals. Especially in the last finals where he gave up on game 1 and game 4 which led to a sweep. That performance made Charles barkley say that he will puch somebody in the mouth if that somebody is gonna say lebron is better than mj.
@LeGoat James seriously? Did u know when MJ played point guard he averaged a triple double? Did he not make the right play when he set up steve kerr for a WIDE OPEN 3 pt shot in a finals game? Did he not set up bill wennington for a WIDE OPEN game winning dunk in a game dubbed as "double nickel game". You probably just watched his scoring highlights then if you think he lacks passing and playmaking skills. Kyrie's clutch shot was all himself, Ray allen's clutch shot was from chris bosh offensive rebound from LBJ's miss.
sLiCkyWoRm I'd have to take the opinion of someone ; who actually PLAYED on an NBA level . Before , EVER listening to the emotional outbursts of a THOUSAND non playing online respondents though .
And why? I am still think MJ is the goat but you have to be on crack to say that? First of all, before you say superteam, MJ had a superteam. Before you say MJ only stayed in one team, the management made the bulls, not MJ, while Lebron made the heat and the 2014-2018 cavs. People always talk about LeBron's shortcomings but never Jordan's. If you say that D wade or irving saved him, have you seen Pippen?
MJ Moves different he jumped different, he walked different, he shoots different his poise and elegance on the court was poetry in motion - it was Performing art
Theoretically Lebron could have 40,000 points, 10,000 assists, 10,000 rebounds. The second closest is 25,000 points, 4,000 rebounds, 4000, assists. That’s an art too.🤦🏻♂️
Rome O I’m srry but I would have LeBron 2nd I loved kobe. But LeBron is a better all around player. LeBron has to win 2 more rings to match Jordan imo.
Forgot to mention,the NBA rules: Handcheck is already illegal today, and if Jordan "dominated" the game with playrers hacking, trying to INJURE a michael jordan each game and still lead the league in SCORING. How about now? Jordan would've averaged 60 pts on todays NBA. Now, this is a rhetorical question would lebron be the same player now if we bring back the Old rules or Lebron won't be able to Flop as refs during the old days won't call a FOUL without seeing blood literally... ;)
@@richgod9676 you'll never know, several times lbj shows weaker mentality i don't see that those old guys will make him better if he plays on that era. He might get intimated that he'll just be another obscure nba player
Did you see Kuzma shove LBJ towards a close out on a 3 pt shot last night?😂 Dude's D is ridiculously bad now but I actually hear these "sports analysts" saying it's ok to not give the effort on D if you have a big load on O. The game is just not as competitive or entertaining anymore when players don't give their max effort for the team.
No comparison, I stopped watching hoops after all the greats quit. MJ, Bird, Magic Barkley etc. That Olympic Dream team was nutts. Then the new players try it and get beat in the Olympics. They not even close to old school guys.
@Daniel Harper LOL yea you got that right. I don't even watch Labron play thats how he measures on my radar. This changing teams every other year to get a championship is strange. Bird Played for 1 team, MJ really one team that one at the end did not count. Kobe was a chronic team changer? I don't think so.
Daniel Harper by higher ceiling I mean his ultimate talent level and athleticism is higher than that of MJs in my opinion, but LeBron doesn’t have the mentality that MJ had. That win no matter what assassins mentality and that’s what makes MJ more of a goat than LeBron. MJ seemingly applied his abilities all the time and not just some of the time. That somewhat applies to today’s basketball in general. Guys these days are more athletic and continue to be more and more athletic, they’re just softer, much softer.
ash ash LeBron get’s all the credit because when LeBron was playing, LA was a top 5 seed. LeBron gets injured and LA drops, and they were losing games that they should have NEVER lost. When LeBron came back he was still partially injured, as said by the team ITSELF, and couldn’t physically will his team back into the team that they used to be.
That's facts. MJ and KOBE were often TRIPLE TEAMED... Lebron doesn't have that. He had too many shooters waiting at the arc or another elite scorer like Wade or Kyrie, so Bron has mostly seen single coverage with weak side help coming in too late.
Tired of Fools it’s fact that Kobe’s mentality was he would rather shoot with 3 people down his throat than pass to a wide open teammate Lebron doesn’t face as many double or triple teams because he’s an amazing passer who would immediately find an open man as soon as the double team comes.
It ain't even just that. He came off the bench his first 2 years and then still played after his Achilles injury when he was clearly done. That's what messed up Bean's stats not just shooting tough shots cause he can hit those.
I really don't understand how pure heart never come into this conversation most of the time.. Jordan has LeBron beat by a mile in PURE HEART. Period... I will say that LeBron has demonstrated that he has developed more of that Heart over the years.. But Mj still has him beat in that category, AND he came into the league with it.... Mj>Lebron
LeBron is The G.O.A.T. Before LeBron was The G.O.A.T. Kobe was The G.O.A.T. And before Kobe was The G.O.A.T. MJ was The G.O.A.T. Someday a new player will become The G.O.A.T. Sports improve as time goes on.
For the sake of argument, let's say that LeBron James goes on to win 7 N.B.A championship titles, 6 regular season MVPs, 7 finals MVPs and miraculously given his age 2 Defensive player of the Year awards before he retires. From a purely statistical stand-point that would put him ahead of M.J. but he would still fall short to match M.J’s 10 scoring titles. If Basket-ball was a software program well M.J. added a huge piece to the source Code. Meaning that his personal contributions to the development of modern Basket-ball in terms of technical skills, execution, finesse, creativity, signature unguardable moves, offensive and defensive IQ and approaches of the perimeter game are just unmatched. No other professional player in the last 50 years as brought as much novelty and excitement to the game and inspired generations of players like he has. 🐐🔒
Lmfaooooo!!! Hell yea, 9x all NBA 1st team, and 1 time DPOY...uhhhh, yea Jordan is THE GOAT. Fuk outta here, bron just lost to a fukin 12-51 team!!! Hahaha
Why? If you are talking about MJ and Kobe being loyal and winning chips while on one team, have you realized that the front office made it for them. But LeBron's front office excluding the heat was nonexistent and LeBron had to make his own. If D wade/kyrie saved him, then Scottie saved Jordan while Pau/Shaq save Kobe. If you say allen saved him, you forgot kerr and artest. People like you always talk about LeBron being bad but never mentions his great plays, but people like you love to talk about MJ and Kobe's moments.
And Kobe’s game was exactly the way as Jordan’s, Kobe wanted to be the next MJ, but he couldn’t. LeBron looked up to jordan and wanted to do things he did but he didn’t want to be the next MJ he wanted his game to be different from MJ ... And if you think about it what kobe is doing is, If I want to become the GOAT I must become MJ, but guess what Bron doesnt have to become the next MJ to become the GOAT and look at how close Bron and MJ are in terms of Greatest.
@@Jason-gg8gi that's why Kobe is 5-2 and LeBron is 3-6 even though Lebron formed a superteam in Miami with Wade and Bosh and then forms another super team with Kyrie and Love
"He passes better, he's bigger, he's taller." - Only one of those is an actual stat, and that stat is influenced by their respective positions. People must have forgotten the kind of stats Jordan put up when Collins made him play point guard in the 88-89 season; he racked up *SEVEN* consecutive triple doubles (hadn't been done since Chamberlain in 68, wasn't done again till Westbrook in 16-17 when the league was soft). In the 24 games that Jordan played the position, he dropped 12 triple-doubles and averaged 30.4 PPG, 10.7 APG, and 9.2 RPG.
Jordan beats LeBron in every way. But the 3 that stick out to me are 1. The nostalgia of Jordan (I want to be like Mike, Air Jordan’s, 6/6 in the Finals, commercials with Spike Lee, among many others) 2. The Assassins mentality (Self explanatory. The higher pressure the situation, the more screwed his opponents were, 6/6 in the Finals, 6 finals MVP’s) 3. Better two way player. (Better scorer and defender than LeBron)
Literally every most important thing, Jordan is chewing bron in More MVPS Finals Mvps Scoring Titles Defensive teams Defensive player of the year Steals titles Championship
Jordan & Kobe where in the big boy era .. now is the cupcake era .. rules change.. back in the day , fighting, crazy tec fouls , and a lot of trash talk.. now every all star player are friends .. Michael Jordan is the original Kobe Bryant is the remix baby
My main argument with Bron vs Kobe. Does Bron give you back to back championships with Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, once against and 3 Superstar team Celtics?
@@Sparty12111 No LeBron wouldn't win with Kobe team. Haters bring up Kobe 6 of 24 fg but he had 23 pts more then any Lakers or Celtic player along with 15 reb more than any single player on the Celtic that the difference. The same Celtic team held LeBron to 3 of 14 fg and 0 of 4 from 3 pointer for only 15 pts, LeBron got out played by an old Shaq who went 7 of 11 for 21 pts see the difference.
@@Sparty12111 i disagree because we all know when everyone was healthy and present, Bron was getting his ass kicked. It took Draymond to miss a game and a half, steph coming back from injury, Bogut and Iggy getting hurt. All of tht just to win by a step back desperation 3 in a game 7. yehhh issa no for me dawg
@@noahespiritu5524 I was talking about in the NBA finals only. If I was to mention the all the great players and teams he faced, that list would be very very long
Jug, MJ only had 1 all star teammate on his team for all 6 of his titles, the rest were fillers. Lebron lost many times despite having more talent on his team.
And you're an unknown loser who never played the game and you think you understand better? I agree his stats were mis-used as Max pointed out, but he still knows more than most of the people attacking him.
The Kobe dismissals are really annoying. Kobe is a better defender and offensive player than lebron. Anyone that’s watched the 2 can tell you that. This dude max says lebrons states these numbers. Meaning the guy plays for stats. He plays for stats cause he’s nothing like mj or Kobe for that matter and he uses these numbers to build a case for dumb ass stat junkies like max. He don’t move like them, can’t shoot like them, can’t dribble like them, has NO post game like them. All lebron can do is dunk and pass. And he’s great at that but to compare this guy to Jordan is just PLAIN laughable and disrespectful if you ask me. It should’ve NEVER ever been a thing period.
@@Hawkeyes319 lebron averaged 28 on 57% shooting i watched teh series. miami got beat by beautiful basketball. keep blaming it on lebron tho u started watching in 2014
Who could guard Lebron? I see some people says Jordan.. some say Pippen.. sure they both good. Who would guard Lebron and keep him in check? Kukoc. Put Lebron on the Warriors with the best Warriors team out there.. they still wouldn't have beat the bulls. Harper locks up Klay. Jordan Locks up Steph. Pippen Locks up Durant. Kukoc slows down James.. Rodman utterly DESTROYS Draymond, and anyone dumb enough to try to come to the hole. Now, on the flip side.. who stops Jordan from scoring? James? He's an average to, slightly above average defender. That's not holding down MJ. No one else on that Warriors team plays good enough defense to lock down Jordan. That's not even counting Scottie.
@@BenTIStudios prime LeBron was a dpoy level defender. He can't stop the GOAT Jordan but he can slow him down slightly. They can double Jordan cause they don't have to defend Rodman. KD can get Pippen.
There is no taking away Jordan's being the goat he played before them but people neccesarily take kobe out of the conversation you have this man who plays with a killer mentality just like jordan did with people who didn't score as much as him everyone(excluding shaq but kobe was a young player who didnt get time then was put in next to shaq and if you search it up those season they put up similar point) and played with a shoulder injury acl tear and alot of other injuries people just neccesarily take Kobe out with no recognition I say its 1a Micheal 1b Kobe 2 Lebron
Kabir Bariana kobe and mj never run away from pressure or blame somebody they played with a chip and wasnt scared to let out the fucking beast inside of them. ryan talking about fucking golden state shooting pussies who plays defense when they want to and fuck around and get lucky with steph or klay shooting.
@@MrHarshverdhan Hakeem is one of the best and that Dream Team is the best version of Team USA. Jordan is a better player. , but it's because of Dream, why the new kids wouldn't be using their size at their will down low. Throw in DR....whose no slouch himself.
Yeah due to the higher pace and athleticism in today's league. Look what a lack of load management did to Iverson. Nothing wrong with respecting your body's limits and aiming for longevity
That fuckin Ryan is a young dude that never seen MJ play.. doesn't know shit bout basketball standard, who WTF bring out 5 sec plays in finals n OT to the table, Really 5 sec... LeBron went 0-4 last yr finals.. u bump ass
Kawhi is a joke, he ran out of toronto because he knows toronto will never be at the finals for a long time to come considering they just snuck by the limping and depleted warriors. no change in l.a.
steven sparkz lol warriors were barely depleted they only didn’t have kd and klay for like 1 game. Then u have the raptors with kawhi with his knee at 75% Lowry with his wrist injury siakim with his shins, van vleet getting hit in the face and og out. It was evenly matched in terms of injury. And kawhi only left cuz la is his home
Kobe would have a losing finals record to GSW. Put LeBron with Miami for 10 years in the West, he'd win every time he made the finals (undefeated in the finals)
His legacy won't be better, Lebron's legacy is not looking very good anyway, making the finals is not a great accomplishment when talking about being the greatest of all time, these clowns working for the media network are just looking for topic to talk about. 7 straight finals is quite the achievement for sure but it's not an argument you can use in a GOAT debate. Imagine telling someone Lebron is the GOAT because he lost finals. (making to the finals and not winning) So no, media won't do the same for Kobe because media for some reason hate Kobe.
@@JacksonDansel Yea true haha.. As A MIami heat fan I used to think Lebron just quit on us because he was leaving anyway. which he may have quit but Kawhi had Lebron on lock. haha I remember that finals I could not believe what I was watching but after seeing this dude have a problem with a Zone Defense in 2011 then It should not have surprised me.
LeBron: imma make the right play
Mj: I am the right play
Nice
That sounds like his making Mj
Preach lol.
😂😂
Hectic Ice Beat comment I’ve ever saw / heard
Stop bringing Ryan Hollins in please guy has no clue 🤦🏾♂️
Don’t question greatness.
That dude is just another LBJ apologies and a clown with no clue at all
He’s(Hollins) not even allowed to bring the water jug in Jordan ‘s era.
Kris Monroe bro i totally agree .. he can go somewhere else .. dude don’t even make sense sometimes ..
I HATE THIS GUY
Ryan Hollins as an analyst is a bigger joke than Ryan Hollins as an NBA player.
True that just stright garbage. N now he wants to shine n bring up nonsense.
Numbers don’t lie, LBJ is more clutch
Camren Gandee yet he only got 2 rings .... with +1 ring tho since Allen saved him with that great 3 pointer against the Spurs.
Tk Schaaf put MJ on those scrub ass Cavs teams that LeBron was on and I bet he loses too, it’s not LBJ’s fault he’s had shitty teammates
@@camrengandee7942 What about losing on the heat lmao.
Michael and Kobe are the greatest
Maaan, was Jordan ever NOT in his prime? 😂
High school and college maybe.
Wow, I can’t believe I was watching Kobe stuff just weeks before he died. I always do stuff like that, kinda start thinking about someone for some reason then that happens 😭
Yeahh
Wizards
SydneyPhotography2019
Jordan at his worst was probably in 95 when he came back from playing baseball but still put up nearly 50 points on one of his first games back 🐐
Max Kellerman and Stephen A are the Jordan and Pippen of ESPN.
Daniel R Other way around, but yeah I see the comparison.
Man I'm getting out. I remember the time Stephen A and skip being Jordan and pippen
No not max kellerman
No stuart scott was MJ
@@killamatrix1 yes sir 100%
No disrespect but don’t bring back Ryan hollins
Fuck all that. All disrespect. Keep him off that show
He getting paid to say bron is better, he don't actually believe it
Agree 100%
They need idiots on the show just to stir up controversy
yea bring him back cause he knows nothing thats what really make a good debate, dont bring back that other dude, cant think of his name but he has no personality and is a numbers guy, somebody tell me his name , hes black, but dont bring him back
Who the hell let Ryan Hollins back on the set.
Whole Lotta Gang Shit he actually took a W here
idk where tf he came from
Splash God idgaf if he’s right or wrong he just annoying.
Dont you mean Stephen A Smith the second?
Whole Lotta Gang Shit Stop hating on greatness.
“MJ didn’t have to play the warriors”
That’s because MJ WAS the warriors of his time.
Tommywood correct! but the Bulls doesn't have too many all stars back then and they are all oldies when rodman came ...
Bcuz the league talent was so spread out you can’t compare
Everybody talks about this. Okay ya sure Lebron had to face the warriors they're stopping him from getting rings. I may understand once they got KD it's impossible to beat GS in a 7 game series. So Lebron has been robbed of rings 2 times so far. Lebron's team beat the warriors that went 73-9 for the title. So obviously the year before when GS had 3 all stars against the Cavs 3 all stars Lebron could have won that series. Now let's talk about the other 5 finals Lebron James has been in. 3 of them Lebron had to face the Spurs which in 2007, Spurs swept the Cavs, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Ginobili were still in their primes, but were starting to wear down through the years they played. Then Lebron beat them in 2013 with help from Ray Allen who hit one of the most clutch shots in NBA history to push it to 7 games. Then they lose to that exact same San Antonio team the next season in 5 games. The other 2 finals Lebron beat the OKC thunder. Props to him. But when Lebron went up against the 2011 Mavs that had just ONE all star (Dirk Nowitzki) against his 3 on the Heat? What the hell happened? Dirk lead the Mavs to a championship over the Heat in 6 games with a starting 5 of an OLD Jason Kidd, JJ Barea, Shawn Marion, Dirk, and Tyson Chandler. This is why Lebron ain't no GOAT.
Truth
as if lebron didnt horribly lose to nowitzki mavs having wade and bosh
and to SAS team twice and once showed off by kawhi leonard
I didn't know there was a "Bring your kid to work" day at ESPN
Nice 🤣😂🤣🤣
hahahaha
Well apparently there is lol
How many times they talk about this. Lebron ain't Mj. Stop talking about it. Please analyze basketball games and don't gossip
This narrative to push and compare lebron to jordan is getting annoying. Like every single year, the media keeps talking about this even after lebron keeps on loosing to the finals. Especially in the last finals where he gave up on game 1 and game 4 which led to a sweep. That performance made Charles barkley say that he will puch somebody in the mouth if that somebody is gonna say lebron is better than mj.
@LeGoat James lebron is an overrated playmaker stop.
@LeGoat James seriously? Did u know when MJ played point guard he averaged a triple double? Did he not make the right play when he set up steve kerr for a WIDE OPEN 3 pt shot in a finals game? Did he not set up bill wennington for a WIDE OPEN game winning dunk in a game dubbed as "double nickel game". You probably just watched his scoring highlights then if you think he lacks passing and playmaking skills. Kyrie's clutch shot was all himself, Ray allen's clutch shot was from chris bosh offensive rebound from LBJ's miss.
LeGoat James man jus by your username i can tell you don’t know wtf you’re talking about
LeGoat James dedicating your TH-cam profile to Lebron? A little much nah ?
It should be illegal for Ryan Hollins to appear on TV...
Jordan was unguardedable
Dudes a bum
Its illegal in fact. Ryan is on probation right now. Most Sports TV sets have a restraining order against him
Youse a Laker fan . Huh.
These kids now don’t know basketball. Softest game ever.
“82 games a year 40 mins a game both sides of the floor”
Case closed.
They never played organized basketball to begin to understand what it takes
Hiro Kai 💯
Hiro Kai little lady, You Know Your Basketball!!!😉!
MJ played against brick layers gtfoh boy
Nfl sucks 2
LOL @ Ryan Hollins .. 3.7ppg dude questioning MJ's competition ..
sLiCkyWoRm 😂😂😂😂Facts
and forced into retirement at age 30. James Jones has played more than him.
sLiCkyWoRm I'd have to take the opinion of someone ; who actually PLAYED on an NBA level . Before , EVER listening to the emotional outbursts of a THOUSAND non playing online respondents though .
LeBest is LeGreatest
Shalamar Man emotional outburst ? MJ was playing against shaq, Larry Bird, and magic Johnson. All top 10 players lol.
LeBron James will never be on Michael Jordans level sorry
Dakota Guthrie no arguing that
Dakota Guthrie You putting words in my mouth?
Not even on Kobe level
And why? I am still think MJ is the goat but you have to be on crack to say that? First of all, before you say superteam, MJ had a superteam. Before you say MJ only stayed in one team, the management made the bulls, not MJ, while Lebron made the heat and the 2014-2018 cavs. People always talk about LeBron's shortcomings but never Jordan's. If you say that D wade or irving saved him, have you seen Pippen?
Lebron james is past mj level
MJ Moves different he jumped different, he walked different, he shoots different
his poise and elegance on the court was poetry in motion - it was Performing art
Art work was julius erving the man they call the doctor
Theoretically Lebron could have 40,000 points, 10,000 assists, 10,000 rebounds. The second closest is 25,000 points, 4,000 rebounds, 4000, assists. That’s an art too.🤦🏻♂️
Numbers don’t lie, y’all can say what u want but LBJ more clutch
@jocriss Can you fuck off kid.
BIG KOLE Factz ! Class was damn sure in session!!!
Top 3 Players
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. LeBron
That's it
Nailed the players and the order!
My god lmao
Rome O I’m srry but I would have LeBron 2nd I loved kobe. But LeBron is a better all around player. LeBron has to win 2 more rings to match Jordan imo.
Martin Quintanilla 5 3 more rings to match
Ralph Austin (Wilson) yea lol
Says the guy that avg 3.7 pts. 2.2 rb. 0.3 ast. in 518 NBA games
Chris Is The Name lmfao
In today's league at that
Stephen A’s laugh at 1.16 is the greatest of all time 🤣👌🏽👌🏽
Jordan: Flipped a Team around
James: Flipped himslef to another team
Here Lies My dead Personality disoders jordan was fucking 1-9 before pippen came dumbass
@@larriors9124 bron had zydrunas ilgauskas...
And that’s just pippens first meaningful contribution to the bulls. When he came into the league he wasn’t even a starter and averaged like 8 points.
you right LeBron definitely never turned a team around
@Kenneth Erickson yeah and he's been the underdog in all but 2 finals
Am I the only one who believes that LJ is not better than Kobe?
Al B naww u right. lebrons the best regular season player of all time, ntn else.
You ain’t the only one
Al B chill fam lol
Yes.
Nah trust me it’s a whole lot of people that thinks kobe is all around better than lebron
6 rings, enough said! MJ the real #23
11 rings enough said! Bill Russell the real goat
Don't tell Lakers fans that... They'll say *We winning the next 6 years* Delusional MF's*
7 rings, horry is the goat
Lebron: “Jordan is the GOAT.”
SAS: “You’re right.”
Lebron:
SAS:
Ryan Hollins: But here’s why your Wrong
I think the discussion has to be who’s the second best basquetball player on history... the 1 was, is and will be Michael Jordan without discussion...
Runner up would have to be Kareem or Bird or Magic. Then you have Shaq, LeBron, Kobe, Bill Russel, Hakeem Olajuwon.
Watching LeBron is like watching a construction worker on the piledriver.. Watching Mj is like watching a beautiful waterfall..
wow, thanks for the description
Facts
What?
@@driplord7286 One beholds a waterfall.. One respects construction workers..
@@kingme4690 what?
Forgot to mention,the NBA rules: Handcheck is already illegal today, and if Jordan "dominated" the game with playrers hacking, trying to INJURE a michael jordan each game and still lead the league in SCORING. How about now? Jordan would've averaged 60 pts on todays NBA. Now, this is a rhetorical question would lebron be the same player now if we bring back the Old rules or Lebron won't be able to Flop as refs during the old days won't call a FOUL without seeing blood literally... ;)
Nice troll lmao
If lebron came into the leauge like that he probaly wouldn’t flop like this cause he would have a better mentality
@@richgod9676 you'll never know, several times lbj shows weaker mentality i don't see that those old guys will make him better if he plays on that era. He might get intimated that he'll just be another obscure nba player
It’s funny how defense is never brought up in the Bron vs Jordan talks
It's not convenient for lebron fans
Lol. Coz Jordan was 9 times part of the NBA All-Defensive first team selections and was the defensive player of the year back in the days! hahaha...
Did you see Kuzma shove LBJ towards a close out on a 3 pt shot last night?😂 Dude's D is ridiculously bad now but I actually hear these "sports analysts" saying it's ok to not give the effort on D if you have a big load on O. The game is just not as competitive or entertaining anymore when players don't give their max effort for the team.
Capitol H AKA Hollow my comment as well thank you for being a true fan of the game
Funny how Magic dropped a triple double on Jordan in game 1 of the finals & then they switched Pippen onto him for the rest of the series
MJ in his prime beats anybody in their prime. Hands down
MJ in his prime is way better the LeBRON period
Corban Harrod you’re wrong, LeBron in his prime was the greatest basketball athlete we’ve ever seen.
Ehh, LeBron honestly has a higher ceiling than MJ, the only thing that separates them is MJ’s killer instinct
No comparison, I stopped watching hoops after all the greats quit. MJ, Bird, Magic Barkley etc. That Olympic Dream team was nutts. Then the new players try it and get beat in the Olympics. They not even close to old school guys.
@Daniel Harper LOL yea you got that right. I don't even watch Labron play thats how he measures on my radar. This changing teams every other year to get a championship is strange. Bird Played for 1 team, MJ really one team that one at the end did not count. Kobe was a chronic team changer? I don't think so.
Daniel Harper by higher ceiling I mean his ultimate talent level and athleticism is higher than that of MJs in my opinion, but LeBron doesn’t have the mentality that MJ had. That win no matter what assassins mentality and that’s what makes MJ more of a goat than LeBron. MJ seemingly applied his abilities all the time and not just some of the time. That somewhat applies to today’s basketball in general. Guys these days are more athletic and continue to be more and more athletic, they’re just softer, much softer.
Can’t believe this argument still going on these days🤦♂️
MJ the GOAT enough said!
No it's Lebron
Brycen Edwards no
@@brycenedwards648 idiot
Lebron just got eliminated by D'angelo Russel and the nets.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gino you mean the LAKERS got eliminated
@@larriors9124 nah. LeBron gets all credit when he wins and he gets all credit when he loses.
This comment is cold bruh, LMAO, thumbs up 👍🏻
ash ash LeBron get’s all the credit because when LeBron was playing, LA was a top 5 seed. LeBron gets injured and LA drops, and they were losing games that they should have NEVER lost. When LeBron came back he was still partially injured, as said by the team ITSELF, and couldn’t physically will his team back into the team that they used to be.
Hey bruh, did you know that bronsexuas currently own 3 NBA bandwagon jerseys right now 🤣
Lol if Kobe didn’t spend half his career shooting over double teams his stats would be way better🤣
That's facts. MJ and KOBE were often TRIPLE TEAMED... Lebron doesn't have that. He had too many shooters waiting at the arc or another elite scorer like Wade or Kyrie, so Bron has mostly seen single coverage with weak side help coming in too late.
Tired of Fools it’s fact that Kobe’s mentality was he would rather shoot with 3 people down his throat than pass to a wide open teammate Lebron doesn’t face as many double or triple teams because he’s an amazing passer who would immediately find an open man as soon as the double team comes.
Hah
Kobe is actually the most double/triple teamed player. ESPN won't implement it into advance analytics because it would up his overall stats.
It ain't even just that. He came off the bench his first 2 years and then still played after his Achilles injury when he was clearly done. That's what messed up Bean's stats not just shooting tough shots cause he can hit those.
Tbh if it’s not even a debate then stop bringing it up 🤷🏾♂️why keep bringing up the same argument against a man who obviously could fly
I hate when Ryan Hollins talks. He sounds like an old relative no one likes that boast
I really don't understand how pure heart never come into this conversation most of the time..
Jordan has LeBron beat by a mile in PURE HEART. Period...
I will say that LeBron has demonstrated that he has developed more of that Heart over the years.. But Mj still has him beat in that category, AND he came into the league with it....
Mj>Lebron
@@richgod9676 we talking about outside the court not the game but putside the court not the game but outside the court
@@richgod9676 nobody asked
5:44 “NONE OF THOSE SERIES WENT 7(x2)” I don’t know why this has been stuck in my head all this time lmaoo , I miss Max
I never saw MJ play on TV live and I'm a huge Lebron fan, but i don't deny the fact that MJ will always be the GOAT.
LeBron is The G.O.A.T. Before LeBron was The G.O.A.T. Kobe was The G.O.A.T. And before Kobe was The G.O.A.T. MJ was The G.O.A.T. Someday a new player will become The G.O.A.T. Sports improve as time goes on.
For the sake of argument, let's say that LeBron James goes on to win 7 N.B.A championship titles, 6 regular season MVPs, 7 finals MVPs and miraculously given his age 2 Defensive player of the Year awards before he retires. From a purely statistical stand-point that would put him ahead of M.J. but he would still fall short to match M.J’s 10 scoring titles.
If Basket-ball was a software program well M.J. added a huge piece to the source Code. Meaning that his personal contributions to the development of modern Basket-ball in terms of technical skills, execution, finesse, creativity, signature unguardable moves, offensive and defensive IQ and approaches of the perimeter game are just unmatched. No other professional player in the last 50 years as brought as much novelty and excitement to the game and inspired generations of players like he has. 🐐🔒
LBJ losing to dwight Howard and the starless magic in the playoffs
Don't forget losing to Dirk and a group of role players, when he was stacked on a super team.
@HD MUSIC Cause Le3-6 couldnt make it to the playoffs first two seasons. Check and mate..
I'm old enough to remember when MJ got knocked out of the 1st Rd 3 years in a row.
Kids forget those days or they weren't born yet.
@HD MUSIC LBJ never faced one of the best teams ever in the first round. He got swept in the first two seasons. Shut yo ass down.
How do you guard LeBron James? Easy, put young Michael Jordan on him, GAME OVER!!! Michael Jordan = GOAT, THE END!
Lmfaooooo!!! Hell yea, 9x all NBA 1st team, and 1 time DPOY...uhhhh, yea Jordan is THE GOAT. Fuk outta here, bron just lost to a fukin 12-51 team!!! Hahaha
Put Shawn Marion
Dennis Rodman wouldv made him cry
Mj cant guard him
Chaz Serrano lebron is on the lakers, not his own team
MJ, KOBE, not even Lebron is my top 3
Why? If you are talking about MJ and Kobe being loyal and winning chips while on one team, have you realized that the front office made it for them. But LeBron's front office excluding the heat was nonexistent and LeBron had to make his own. If D wade/kyrie saved him, then Scottie saved Jordan while Pau/Shaq save Kobe. If you say allen saved him, you forgot kerr and artest. People like you always talk about LeBron being bad but never mentions his great plays, but people like you love to talk about MJ and Kobe's moments.
Same MJ is the goat and then Kobe
@@kinge9387
Media says he's top 3 not LEGENDS!
3:40 kid in the blue just got his mind blowwwwnnn
Lebron better than Kobe? Max what you smoking...
in my opinion i think Kobe is better than LBJ. Kobe cemented his legacy by dropping 80+ points with 5 Championships... LBJ just padding his stats
And Kobe was a ball hog ... Bron gets his teammates involved he, doesnt have to score 81 points just to prove how good he is ...
And Kobe’s game was exactly the way as Jordan’s, Kobe wanted to be the next MJ, but he couldn’t. LeBron looked up to jordan and wanted to do things he did but he didn’t want to be the next MJ he wanted his game to be different from MJ ... And if you think about it what kobe is doing is, If I want to become the GOAT I must become MJ, but guess what Bron doesnt have to become the next MJ to become the GOAT and look at how close Bron and MJ are in terms of Greatest.
@@Jason-gg8gi that's why Kobe is 5-2 and LeBron is 3-6 even though Lebron formed a superteam in Miami with Wade and Bosh and then forms another super team with Kyrie and Love
In 2015 Kyrie got injured in the finals
"He passes better, he's bigger, he's taller." - Only one of those is an actual stat, and that stat is influenced by their respective positions. People must have forgotten the kind of stats Jordan put up when Collins made him play point guard in the 88-89 season; he racked up *SEVEN* consecutive triple doubles (hadn't been done since Chamberlain in 68, wasn't done again till Westbrook in 16-17 when the league was soft). In the 24 games that Jordan played the position, he dropped 12 triple-doubles and averaged 30.4 PPG, 10.7 APG, and 9.2 RPG.
Jordan beats LeBron in every way. But the 3 that stick out to me are
1. The nostalgia of Jordan (I want to be like Mike, Air Jordan’s, 6/6 in the Finals, commercials with Spike Lee, among many others)
2. The Assassins mentality (Self explanatory. The higher pressure the situation, the more screwed his opponents were, 6/6 in the Finals, 6 finals MVP’s)
3. Better two way player. (Better scorer and defender than LeBron)
Literally every most important thing, Jordan is chewing bron in
More MVPS
Finals Mvps
Scoring Titles
Defensive teams
Defensive player of the year
Steals titles
Championship
But 8 straight Finals doeee
Andrew Blackop in a weak conference thooo
@@DonkeyKong5479 in the garbage ass east gtfo.. he went whole playoff runs facing ZERO hall of famers
shan sellars I know I was just trynna imitate LeBron stans
Lebron needed 3 all stars to win his 1st ring.
Jordan needed 1 all star to win 3 straight rings.
Jordan & Kobe where in the big boy era .. now is the cupcake era .. rules change.. back in the day , fighting, crazy tec fouls , and a lot of trash talk.. now every all star player are friends .. Michael Jordan is the original Kobe Bryant is the remix baby
Even Molly was cringing at the sound of Ryan Hollins' voice
“Killer mentality” is a way to glorify being selfish and taking a bad shot to win a game
Yet Jordan shot the ball just efficient as Bron 🤔
Doesn’t have “ killer mentality” but he destroyed his opponents in playoffs
HOW DO YOU GUARD LEBRON? JUST PUT KOBE ON THE FLOOR
That boy was statistically beaten down
Max: "I'm not talking about Magic or Bird. Btw Bird is so slept on now a days. Lebron's better than those guys"
Me: "Huh ???"
facts bruh i was like 😂 cap
@Ya Boi Tom You on drugs
Stephen A is the SITH LORD OF THIS SHIT!!! “Max you’ve learned well” killed me lol 😭😭😭😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My main argument with Bron vs Kobe. Does Bron give you back to back championships with Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, once against and 3 Superstar team Celtics?
Agree, kobe, wade, bosh would have beaten the Mavs lol
Jason terry outplayed lebron lol
Pau Gasol was one of the better players in the league at the time. Considering Lebron beat GS with Kyrie and Love, I would say yes, he would.
@@Sparty12111 No LeBron wouldn't win with Kobe team. Haters bring up Kobe 6 of 24 fg but he had 23 pts more then any Lakers or Celtic player along with 15 reb more than any single player on the Celtic that the difference. The same Celtic team held LeBron to 3 of 14 fg and 0 of 4 from 3 pointer for only 15 pts, LeBron got out played by an old Shaq who went 7 of 11 for 21 pts see the difference.
@@Sparty12111 i disagree because we all know when everyone was healthy and present, Bron was getting his ass kicked. It took Draymond to miss a game and a half, steph coming back from injury, Bogut and Iggy getting hurt. All of tht just to win by a step back desperation 3 in a game 7. yehhh issa no for me dawg
If lbj had to play back in the day with the defence they played he'd be crying every night # LEBRON IS OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!
Jajajajajaj who is this Bum
LEBRON IS BETTER THAN MJ ?
In what world
*You dumb* dawg. Max and Loud Mouth just made it clear. I seen Jordan play , live. Can't nobody fuck with that Animal. Ask your OG homies.
Ramon Caneda in this one
Earth
"who'd he play against?" ..... magic's showtime lakers, barkley's sun's, gary payton/kemp the sonics, stockton and malone lol
Robin Hood don’t forget Hakeem’s rockets and Orlando’s penny and shaq
@@noahespiritu5524 I was talking about in the NBA finals only. If I was to mention the all the great players and teams he faced, that list would be very very long
Hmmm any of those teams have 4 all stars and two top 20 players?
Jug, MJ only had 1 all star teammate on his team for all 6 of his titles, the rest were fillers. Lebron lost many times despite having more talent on his team.
This is why Ryan Hollins is an unknown former NBA player. He doesn’t understand basketball and is strictly going off stats.
He was basketball player for what team?
He's just riddin lbj's nuts. He got a crush imo
And you're an unknown loser who never played the game and you think you understand better? I agree his stats were mis-used as Max pointed out, but he still knows more than most of the people attacking him.
TheTruthiest And you’re just emotional I understand. But did you know who Ryan Hollins was before ever seeing him on the TV?
“and Max, you’ve learned well. Congratulations. “
Ryan is the only person that BRINGS Max and SAS together
Ironic I got this recommended after Bron’s GW vs Warriors in play in game
if lebron was playing during the Jordan era im sure gary payton will trashtalked him till he can't shoot hahaha
The Kobe dismissals are really annoying. Kobe is a better defender and offensive player than lebron. Anyone that’s watched the 2 can tell you that. This dude max says lebrons states these numbers. Meaning the guy plays for stats. He plays for stats cause he’s nothing like mj or Kobe for that matter and he uses these numbers to build a case for dumb ass stat junkies like max. He don’t move like them, can’t shoot like them, can’t dribble like them, has NO post game like them. All lebron can do is dunk and pass. And he’s great at that but to compare this guy to Jordan is just PLAIN laughable and disrespectful if you ask me. It should’ve NEVER ever been a thing period.
Ryan Hollins was some of First Takes darkest days.
Ryan Hollins must have held those people hostage because they ain’t no damn way they decided to clap of approval on their own
All those other Kobe haters in the crowd don't know basketball
Yo… Stephen A. Face While Ryan Is Talking The First Minute 🤣
6 rings requires great teammates and teamwork
Mj had two hall of famers scottie and Dennis
How do you guard LBJ.... Hezonja got the answers 😂😂😂 locked that man down all 94 feet 😂
Rod Strykez can’t guard prime LeBron 😂
ChiefTy 7 so i guess Lebron was out of his prime this year 🙄.
Stats are good . . . but the intangibles cant be measure . . . talk about the clutch, fire, heart!!!
No player has an entire shoe line to his name, except for MJ/Air Jordans
and still sells alot even after he retired..
Lebrons?
Ryan Hollins: how do you guard Lebron James
Jason Terry has entered the chat.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
im crying
Super Mario Hezonjas mushroom power stopped the clutchness of the evil LeBowser aka King LeKoopa
ppl do stuffs how good was JT guarding lebron the next season when norris cole gave lebron a nice pass 15 feet in the air?
also patrick beverly entered the chat
Ryan Hollins: How do you guard Lebron James?
Kawhi Leonard: Am I a joke to you?
lebron averagerd 28 8 and 5 on 57% shooting against kawhi but ok
@@abudabi1995 on spurs not kawhi.
@@abudabi1995 did you watch the series? they had to switch Kawhi off lebron because he was clamping him.
@@Hawkeyes319 lebron averaged 28 on 57% shooting i watched teh series. miami got beat by beautiful basketball. keep blaming it on lebron tho u started watching in 2014
AMW if they switched off then why bring him up in the first place? If he was constantly switched then apparently he didn’t lock him up
Hollins: "how do u guard lebron james?"
Jordan with a cigar in his mouth: "Hold my beer"
@Ya Boi Tom that would work too.
Who could guard Lebron? I see some people says Jordan.. some say Pippen.. sure they both good. Who would guard Lebron and keep him in check? Kukoc. Put Lebron on the Warriors with the best Warriors team out there.. they still wouldn't have beat the bulls. Harper locks up Klay. Jordan Locks up Steph. Pippen Locks up Durant. Kukoc slows down James.. Rodman utterly DESTROYS Draymond, and anyone dumb enough to try to come to the hole. Now, on the flip side.. who stops Jordan from scoring? James? He's an average to, slightly above average defender. That's not holding down MJ. No one else on that Warriors team plays good enough defense to lock down Jordan. That's not even counting Scottie.
Just ask kawhi how to guard bron
@@BenTIStudios prime LeBron was a dpoy level defender. He can't stop the GOAT Jordan but he can slow him down slightly. They can double Jordan cause they don't have to defend Rodman. KD can get Pippen.
@@kapiln9529 he's never won Defensive player of the year. Sorry but Jordan is getting his. On the regular
Steven A. Should actually have called security to remove Ryan Hollins off the set.
Flashyfinancier for real man wtf
Flashyfinancier god bless you brother thank you!
Nah he should have called the mental hospital
Ryan was baby fight
There’s only one G.O.A.T. “Michael Jordan”.
Good night.
@Ya Boi Tom Kobe who?
Ya Boi Tom shaq carried kobe lol
There is no taking away Jordan's being the goat he played before them but people neccesarily take kobe out of the conversation you have this man who plays with a killer mentality just like jordan did with people who didn't score as much as him everyone(excluding shaq but kobe was a young player who didnt get time then was put in next to shaq and if you search it up those season they put up similar point) and played with a shoulder injury acl tear and alot of other injuries people just neccesarily take Kobe out with no recognition I say its 1a Micheal 1b Kobe 2 Lebron
Ya Boi Tom it’s MJ all the way
🤜
Lebron can be better on paper all he wants, Kobe and MJ are a DIFFERENT BREED.
Kabir Bariana one word assassin
Kabir Bariana kobe and mj never run away from pressure or blame somebody they played with a chip and wasnt scared to let out the fucking beast inside of them. ryan talking about fucking golden state shooting pussies who plays defense when they want to and fuck around and get lucky with steph or klay shooting.
WELL FUCKING SAID
Kobe played robin to Shaqs Batman you right
@@iamLODD two finals MVP's out of Five
Ryan Hollins has no experience in terms giving superstar advice.
He doesn’t irritate me more then rob from undisputed lol now that guy I wish I could reach into the tv and slap
ProfessTheFan wasn’t he drafted by MJ..? I wonder if he’s even old enough to drink..he sounds so young and ignorant
FACTS. let me hear someone who got a ring or a LEGEND talk.
I feel like Hollins would give some excellent insight... on warming the bench. Can someone tell Stephen A. Smith Jr. they are indoors please?
I'd say he's more qualified to give advice than someone who's never played an NBA game in their entire life
Get Ryan Hollins off this show
Let that stupid Ryan Hollins stay in that show to continue to embarrass himself. What an idiot! Hahaha
Get his scrub ass off here
He's awful
🤣🤣🤣
so trash
Stephen and max literally jumped the guy 😭😂
ArnoldinhoMP4 not literally. But yeah.
😭
82 games a year, both sides of the floor, every night! #MJ
Real talk
Michele Ponte Along side with Rodman and pippin two other multiple Defensive Player of the year😂🤦♂️
@Carl Bryant idk about that bro, those are some false claims you watch a era tougher than mjs the 80s the lakers and celtics played 0 defense🤣
Lmao
You forgot the part where he retired multiple times.. no resting at all I thought? Talking bullshit like every other Jordan fan
Ryan Hollins saying that Utah Jazz team was weak??? I didn’t know Karl Malone and John Stockton were nobodies 🤦🏽♂️
John Stockton is a G.O.A.T.
HORNACEK
Olivia D they were washed up
Sad Boi Minute greatest point guard ever
In the paper. but the as a team the is very good, having a good system and will coach.
How do you stop Lebron James??.. you put a 30 year old Jason Terry on him
It was kidd that shut him down not Terry
kidd was older back then..
That wouldn't happen to MJ
Max with the biggest point...... Jordan played 82 .. 40mins both ends of the floor unlike these cupcakes now taking games off for “rest” gtfoh
People really sleep on the hakeem dream. That monster was as scary as shaq
@@MrHarshverdhan Hakeem is one of the best and that Dream Team is the best version of Team USA. Jordan is a better player. , but it's because of Dream, why the new kids wouldn't be using their size at their will down low. Throw in DR....whose
no slouch himself.
No major injuries either.
Steffon Penke He retired three times
Yeah due to the higher pace and athleticism in today's league. Look what a lack of load management did to Iverson. Nothing wrong with respecting your body's limits and aiming for longevity
How do you guard Lebron James?
Ask Spurs, Maverick, Warriors
And Joakim Noah in 2014
The warriors did a great job on Defense. They only allowed him to lead in every major statistical category.
Jordan lost six times before he made it to the finals.
You wanna know how to guard Jordan?
Ask the Celtics and Piston
Don't forget the magic bust that ass also lol
1 Jordan
2 Bryant
3 James
LeBron ain't even close to these killers 🤣
Kareem is better than Kobe
@JeKo Fuentes Kareem is better than Kobe lol
@Ya Boi Tom ok and Kareem won 6 mvp and 6 championships and how many mvp's does Kobe have
@Ya Boi Tom he had very hard competition he had to deal with the Celtics pistons sixers with Dr j
Lebron is better
This man Ryan Hollins jus made me change my mind 😂 Jordan definitely the GOAT
😂😂😂
U're a damn fool if u actually thought LeFlop was/is the G.O.A.T BEFORE hearing Ryan speak! Smfh!
No man get a hold of yourself. LeBron the GOAT
@@qsplak you mad Kobe isn't in the conversation. L
I gotta change my name
You're kidding Lebron isn't even in the same league as jordan defensively
And jordan never choked in the finals
Had little Kuzma to push him to play Defense 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He did in the first round Lebron never did
You’re *
LeBron carried a mediocre Cavs team to 4 finals. Jordan took a team of hall of famers to 6 finals.
When did lebron ever choke in the finals?¿
Why is ryan hollins talking basketball for 🤷🏽♂️
gabriel colon He was a 55 overall in 2k
gabriel colon cause he holding lebron nuts 🥜
gabriel colon Good Damn Question
Holllins: How do you guard LeBron James?
Me: Ask whoever held him to 8 pts in the finals against the Mavericks.
Ravenlife 1372 sadly that was Jason terry.
@@fury_021 The real jet 😂
Lebron went to 8 straight finals to then missing the playoffs. Eastern conference is a joke.
he miss'd like 20 games... dat dont mean shit doe huh?? 😅😅😅
Also for the hate and non credit his teammates always get, I guess they were decent enough to help him get around 50+ wins every season.
Why does everyone forget that the lakers were 4th in the west and smacking the warriors until lebron got hurt?
@@cwilson9341 one game doesn't mean anything. We talking about right now and right now the lakers aren't even in the playoffs
zReNAgAdE504 apparently grammar don’t mean shit either 😴
We all should boycott ESPN if they keep bringing Ryan Hollins back!?!? I know they see these comments.
Still molly pissed me off more than him
That guy don't know shit about basketball
nothing wrong with ryan hollins, he droppin facts
Y’all just grouping up to hate this man cuz it’s funny but he actually makes good points. Stop being a follower
That fuckin Ryan is a young dude that never seen MJ play.. doesn't know shit bout basketball standard, who WTF bring out 5 sec plays in finals n OT to the table, Really 5 sec... LeBron went 0-4 last yr finals.. u bump ass
Ryan Hollins trash 🗑😂😂
Who the fuck is that Ryan Hollins? He probably was wearing diapers during the MJ & Bad Boys era... the NBA rules now are soft compared to the 90's.
He is trash and truly the definition of a clown
Stephen A schooled this fool
MAX IS STUPID. KOBE IS BETTER THAN LEBRON
Ryan Hollins: who can gurad lebron?
Dennis Rodman: Am I a joke to you
T-800 Rodman would have lebron faking injuries and losing what’s left of his hair
@@juanio7036 lmao true
@@juanio7036 😂
I remember "the worm" not just clamp players, he also get to their heads and ruin the whole game.
A Dude like JJ Barea and Shawn Marion, every time these dude played solid defense lebron went straight to the ref complainin
“Need 5 people to guard lebron”
Kawhi: Am I a joke to you?
Lebron had one of the best nba finals against kawhi, not trying to say kawhi can't guard lebron but it's not like kawhi can shut down lebron
@@leonardoramos7964 but iggy or dreymond did
2014 Kawhi won finals mvp and held lebron to an incredible ! 28,8,4,2, lmao yes he must be a joke
Kawhi is a joke, he ran out of toronto because he knows toronto will never be at the finals for a long time to come considering they just snuck by the limping and depleted warriors. no change in l.a.
steven sparkz lol warriors were barely depleted they only didn’t have kd and klay for like 1 game. Then u have the raptors with kawhi with his knee at 75% Lowry with his wrist injury siakim with his shins, van vleet getting hit in the face and og out. It was evenly matched in terms of injury. And kawhi only left cuz la is his home
How do u stop LeBron?? Jason Terry lmao
jj barea
@@RRRaiken jr smith
Be Like Mike23 D , kawhi not!
You mean the Refs
Rodman would make Lebron cry, and break his weak ass mind
Lebron aint no Kobe Bryant. PERIOD
Thank you case closed
Chuuuuurchhh!!!!
Tru!
Yeah he’s better
If you think Kobe is better then lebron your smoking crack lol.
Put Kobe in the eastern conference and his legacy will be greater.
Daniel Sanchez i agree if kobe was on east he probably be on the finals always and he can be had more rings today
jordan michael Kobe would have 7-8 rings.
Not without a HOF center it would lmao he would most likely miss the playoffs or barely squeak in. Can't carry a team.
Kobe would have a losing finals record to GSW. Put LeBron with Miami for 10 years in the West, he'd win every time he made the finals (undefeated in the finals)
His legacy won't be better, Lebron's legacy is not looking very good anyway, making the finals is not a great accomplishment when talking about being the greatest of all time, these clowns working for the media network are just looking for topic to talk about. 7 straight finals is quite the achievement for sure but it's not an argument you can use in a GOAT debate.
Imagine telling someone Lebron is the GOAT because he lost finals. (making to the finals and not winning)
So no, media won't do the same for Kobe because media for some reason hate Kobe.
"How do you Guard Lebron James?" Ask the 2010-2011 Dallas Mavs they could write a whole book on it..
2011 lol😂
MrGrownman455 also ask kawhi
@@JacksonDansel Yea true haha.. As A MIami heat fan I used to think Lebron just quit on us because he was leaving anyway. which he may have quit but Kawhi had Lebron on lock. haha I remember that finals I could not believe what I was watching but after seeing this dude have a problem with a Zone Defense in 2011 then It should not have surprised me.
@Steezy Mac The REAL JET!!!
How to guard jordan... Ask the pistons lmao they could write 2 books on that.. Back to back championships
hollins: how do u guard lebron james?
Kawhi and kobe: excuse us?
Look at lebrons numbers against both those guys