Why We're Very Disappointed With Our Grapes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- First year harvesting our grapes, and why we're very disappointed with them.
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Listen to your wife. Keep a few more years. Because times are getting rough. Love your channel. And it’s nice to see your wife with you.
Don't pull 'em Pete, let the vines mature, it will get better over time. Also, you can mix this variety with the others for juice. Look for fingerlength, I forget the variety my dad grew, but check with local nurseries. If nothing else grow them out for the hens.👍👍🍇🍇🍇🍇🍇🍇
I think it’s called ladyfinger.
@@genevelis6075 that sounds right, thank you.
We live in East Texas (Smith County) and we grow muscadine grapes and table grapes, this is our 3rd year for muscadine and they are doing great and our first year for table grapes. Keep them and juice them, freeze dry the juice.
Keep it for the chickens! 😉
I would keep it, I like the variety and you can always plant more - no land limit, I also agree with your wife to wait for other grapes. You also can try to do wine and dry-freeze - out of curiosity to see what’s gonna happen.
I have the same grapes and I make grape jelly and grape juice from them and they are delicious!
Pete, I think the issue is you are trying to use a "wine" grape variety as a "table" or eating grape. The type you have is for squeezing and juice extraction to make wine. The bitter skin and seed are normally discarded. Try to find "table" grape suited for your area and climate for fresh eating. I would say keep the plants you have, and plant some new varieties in addition to those.
I vote keep it and juice it. Or make Pete B's own wine brand. You have acreages, if you want a different variety, just plant those in a different area. No reason to kill the existing - my opinion anyway. Plus, Mrs Pete B loves it; happy wife, happy Pete B. Remember that.
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Birds got all mine this year. Don't waste all that hard work keep them and find somewhere else to plant new variety.
I agree with your wife! Keep them until your new variety is producing, to see if they're any better. They have good flavor juice going for them. The next ones may not. Don't beat yourself up Pete, this sort of thing happens to all of us gardeners one time or another! Best of luck next year! I think you might have mentioned your winter project/video coming up...better lighting in your kitchen!!! Lol!
Thanks
Our chickens love grapes. Just a thought.
Excellent suggestion from your smart wife!! Give them a couple of years, let your other varieties start producing. We live in your area, would you consider selling us some cuttings? 😃
Just remind me next January and I'll give you a bunch.
If you like the juice keep them and plant table grapes also
Keep!, experiment with freeze drying one tray of juice
keep the grape vines for the chickens and you to make grape juice. You can even buy 2 more grape vines to eat if you want.
New to your channel. 1st. Keep them; the juicer takes out the fiber. Me, OTOH, I could use the fiber. ;-) I'd keep it for the nutrition and, as someone said, nutrition for the chickens. I have two heirloom Concords in their first year. I've watched your training video and others... looking forward to reaching year three with them. I want them to thrive! Thank you for all the help! We also have two seedless Concords growing wild! :-) Organic and yummy, they're in their 3rd or 4th year... ground crawlers... I think I'll start babying them anyway, stick them on a wire... they're great for table grapes! So tasty. I do hear you on the seeds; my heirlooms will have seeds! :-) The seedless Concord was a Lowe's buy on a whim. I'm wondering if you cover blueberries... we have 10-year-old bushes growing wild that need some love and bird netting... No fruit for us for the last two years; the birds ate them all, lol! I'm going to start pruning them and training them if I can find out how. My wife wants to leave them for the birds.. (sigh) We'll see... 😕
Keep them for juicing. Counteract the bitterness by mixing with the other table varieties. Three years vested and the health benefits don’t justify culling them.
We had concord grapes. Sweet center but we spit out the hull's because they were tough. But they made great jelly. I assume you have to grow grapes according to the use of the grape
bitter food is excellent for our health...I would not remove the plants but use them for juice , as they intended....u can also make an experiment doing a grafting with a sweeter grape and see what happen...
I would keep for juice and for the chickens!
I'm thinking about supreme muscadine, 5 female plants and one or two males for pollination.
@@petebeasttexashomesteading Pete, give them another year then you can also harvest the leaves to make Greek dolmades. OMG it's a delicious dish! You can also pickle the grape leaves for later uses. Please don't pull them. It's not like you are limited with land and space.
Try to make compost: spent coffee ground + chicken manure + dead leaves in the fall => the best fertilizer for grapes.
Keep them all or maybe just 2 or 3 and see what you think after you get over being upset with yourself. Like you said, the chicken will love them.
Keep them... of you enjoy the taste, then save them... it sounds like the titch of bitter cuts the sweetness....
I'd try a small batch FD'ed and see how it is.
Blessings ❤
You could have used your Fabio Leonardi machine for the grapes.
I would remove 3 of the least producing vines and save just 2 vines for juicing.
Looking for a grape update 😊 I bought my grapes last year. Waiting for them to bud out in a week or so now.
Keep them, this is a juice grape only. Many juice grapes have a tough bitter skin and a bitter seed. Now eating grapes are very different. Thin skins and tiny seeds that don't have any taste. Great for the table to eat fresh or nice and cold from the fridge. They freeze well too for the kids to eat. Just remember, every juice grape will be just like what you grew. They are only for juice. Even the muscadines, that grow very well in Texas, the juice muscadines have the thick skin and very bitter seeds. The thick skins protect the flesh and keep the sugar high, for good tasting juice. Table eating grapes are thin skin for drying too. Raisins, which my kids enjoy the most. Thank you for your videos, we enjoy watching them. GOD bless you and your family.
Thank you 👍
These are not juice grapes they are wine grapes. They are meant to be used for winemaking they have 2x the sugar of table eating grapes.
Definitely keep them
Sorry you're disappointed with the quality of the grapes...I'd still keep them due to the health benefits and, next time, just plant more grapes... the table grapes.
But, I have a decent amount of acreage...I guess it would depend on how many acres you have to work with.
I love your Dobermans...My Doberman was the best dog ever but, sadly, died of DCM at 7 yo. He was a great homestead dog (never killed my chickens, helped me herd my Pygmy goats to and from the barn, etc.), guarded my property, etc.
How old are yours? Who was the breeder?
Also, what a lovely wife you have! She is right on board with you...I'll bet she's a real help!
I really appreciate that you share everything you are learning...Even the stuff that doesn't work out! THAT helps ALL of us!
I really don't have anymore room in my orchard/garden to grow anymore grapes. My doberman's are 7 years old and going strong. They eat chicken, beef mixed with a little beans. The breeder's were fairly local.
My wife really helps me out a lot. Without her help, I'd go crazy with all I have to do.
FREEZE DRY THE JUICE AND USE THAT AS A POWDER!❤❤❤
I live in east Texas also and planted muscadines that have vines have done well but birds decimate the ripe grapes. If you pull them out do it in winter and I’ll pick them up to replant because wine is what I want to make.
Thanks I'll keep you in mind if I pull them out.
Definitely keep them just for juice if you like them after that much time invested , let us know what kind you find I’m in east tx too I love grapes any grape maybe I can find a place to put some 😁
I have Black Manuka grapes. They are a good table grape, make good tart raisins and I have found seeds in some of mine. The vines like lots of room. They grow like crazy and the clusters are long and very full.
Keep them for juice...already invested a lot of time in them & the juice is good...can use the Concordes etc for jams etc...I have no suggestions for other grapes as I know zero about grapes
Yeah I'll probably keep them and plant a table grape variety near by. The Concord grapes are excellent for juice, jams and jelly.
That is a tough question. I have 4 Thompson seedless that I have been pushing along for 10 years. The grapes are slip skin and the skin is tough and they do not produce well. I purchased a Neptune (seedless) variety and in their second year this year, produced and where much better. I decided I am pulling the Thompson out. Wish I had not waited so long. So I do know how feel. Good luck!
What ZONE are you in?
@@homesteadgmad8223 North Texas,8a.
@@sheraldtaylor1297 I'm 8a, as well. I'm near Gilmer, TX...VERY sandy soil, yet some sections have really hard clay. I always like hearing what works well for folks with the same zone! Thanks for the response!
Consider trying Thomcord grapes. It's a hybrid of Thompson and Concord grapes.
I considered the Thomcord but I already have Concord grapes and alwoods which are very much like Concord taste.
@@petebeasttexashomesteading, I actually searched for Campbell Early when I first looked into growing grapes. I first had them while I was stationed in Korea and loved it. It seems to have dropped in popularity for some reason now though.
With all that work, I would keep them.
Have you considered Black Spanish, a native Texas wine grape variety? I live near Panama City, FL and made wine with them. Sugar content was between 24 and 28 percent. A grape crusher will greatly reduce the number of seeds. Then process with a cheap wine press to get "just juice". Anyway, take care and keep up the good videos.
You want no more than 24 brix for wine otherwise its going to be too alcoholic.
Keep them aand make a the vino!!!
I would but I don't drink anymore.
Don’t get rid of them, juice and freeze the juice, still beneficial, can the chickens have the skins left over from the juicing?
Yep! I also give my chickens the masticated pulp! Nothing goes to waste on my homestead! 😂
I'd keep them for juice and chicken feed.
A wine grape that would grow well where you live is Grenache, or Alicante Bouschet. wine grapes have a lot of seeds and tannins in the skins so they will be astringent but much sweeter than table grapes. Keep the grapes you have but go ahead and try making wine its easy.
Want not waste not….I’d keep them
That's why they call them table or desert or wine grapes, seedless and non-seedless, otherwise they wouldn't need these designations.
Can the juice with Weck Juice bottles, after opening just put a plastic cap on and store in refrigerator, like any other juice bottle. The juice bottles come in different sizes, and caps can be purchased separately. Can the juice just like you would can chicken broth, for example.
Keep them for the juice. You could always process them for juice and freeze dry the juice only, without the skin and seeds.
I would keep these and grow some new varieties too. As long as you have enough freezer space why waste 3 years of work when you have some good quality juice?
Pete....can you graft another variety onto the roots of this variety?
That would be a good option too.
"You're body's telling you, 'No, I don't want to swallow this.'" Exact same thing happens to me when I try to eat fruitcake. Not sure what to tell you what to do. Maybe keep some of those grape plants and replace others with another kind that is good for eating? I like when your wife joins you in these videos. You get to see the whole team.
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I would keep them. You have 3 years invested.
Keep them and make me some wine🍷 😘
I would but I don't drink anymore.
Pete, you could always press those grapes, but it will be a shame to pull em'.🍇🍇🍇🍇
Keep them, make wine. Plant another variety for table grapes.
Vino or freeze pops for adults! They will taste different after fermentation 🤔
Sounds like a summer treat but I don't drink anymore.
Do you have an idea how you will juice once you start filling five gallon buckets with grapes?
What would I do? Make wine!! I wouldn't get rid of them. Just keep them and you will find a way to use them. You have 3 years into it so make the best of the situation.
if you have space keep , I juice all my
Muscadines
Is it possible to graft a different variety onto the established plant, like with apple trees?
Yes but I would have to find a variety I like during the winter with cuttings that are dormant and graft them on.
Keep them IF got room
Does anyone have recommendations for table grape varieties for Minnesota, zone 4?
You have plenty of property to keep them.
Wait until you are sure you want to pull them. You will know when they have to go.
So better you start learning how to make wine. But you need more that grape to make wine. One bowl not enough. Cheers.
I would but I don't drink anymore.
@@petebeasttexashomesteading oh ok. But my suggestion keep it for rootstock.
Seems premature to pull them. Plant another section with what you want, when those are up and going, give these away to someone else (assuming they'll transplant).
Your grapes have tough skins because they were developed for your climate.
From the looks of your grape clusters, you may have picked them too soon. With a new vine, you need to be tasting them every few days to learn when they will ripen in your micro-environment. Seriously. I have one concord on the north side of my lot and one on the south. The north vine (that was made from the south vine) ripens one week earlier. You can test every day using taste, or purchase a refractometer. If they are too ripe they will me mushy when you squeeze them (instead of being like gel) and the sugars will have begun to turn to starch and/or oxidize. The sugar percent will then begin to drop.
Another issue is that your vines are very young and do not have a lot of leaves and roots. The vines are still small and do not have deep roots. It may have been straining to ripen those clusters. I always err on the side of allowing the vine to get larger before bearing any grapes. Commercial growers have small plants with large root systems, thus they can get more grapes ripened with fewer leaves.
My opinion would be to leave the vines in, let them mature some more, and learn more about them in relation to your environment.
You are also using a stacked two cordon system. The inherent problem with that is you will need to keep the top leaves from growing out so they don't shade the lower cordon, causing ripening and disease issues. Fewer leaves means fewer grapes that will ripen.
Another option is to make vinegar with them. You first need to turn them into wine first. If you do decide to make vinegar, do not use sulfates at any stage of the wine making or it will not work.
Most descriptions of vines will state if the skins are tart. If you get another variety, look for that. Skins can have more tannin and/or more acidity than other varieties. Tannins are not the same thing as acidity. And acidity in grapes is not strictly a measure of pH.
All the best in whatever you decide to do.
Area is too moist, too much humidity.
Pull it out, just plant a new one, be happy
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Listen to your wife, wait a couple years to see how it goes with the other ones.
What model of juicer is that?
Would you recommend it?
There's a link in the description under the video.
Just graft it, no need to remove and loose 3 years of roots development
I think you may have researched what grows best but not the type you wanted for consumption. They’re juice and jelly grapes not table grapes
Do you own a grass mower?
i hardly ever eat pulp from fruit, just spit out the skin bruh i dont eat insoluble fibre why would anyone.