14:38 The sound track for this game is prefect for the game content. A Woman sobs, another coughs, footsteps walking down a hall. Constantly with that low hum like you are in a bunker safe from the carnage. The nerve-wracking WANK! when the DECON level goes up, then more in rapid succession as the missiles are flying, the low concussive booms in the background. In the end the final score. Game over. I love this game.
I've always felt the best way to explain this game is that you aren't trying to win so much as trying to lose the least. Which is more or less how nuclear war would go.
I remember reading somewhere that a small-scale nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan, of two hundred nukes, would lead to significantly reduced sunlight in the next 2-3 years. While this isn't total exctinction, its worldwide hunger for several years and decades more to recover completely. The "winner" of a full-scale nuclear war would have very little operational infrastructure to rebuild + finite food supplies until the next harvest distant of several years to a decade, even if all military conflict ceased worldwide and even if we ignored civil war and marauders/bandits. It'll be a veeeery tall order, even if you preserved, let's say, one million people in shelters and they all were super disciplined and level-headed.
@@destroyerinazuma96 as I rightly remember some science teams were working on nuclear war scenarios and they discovered that the nuclear winter is a myth, that if the total nuclear annihilation would happen it’s going to led to 1 cloudy day, depending on an environment, maybe in the overpopulated regions it would cause nuclear winter cuz them are going to get the most of the nukes (Europe, India and east coast of China, coasts of US)
Speaking as a war veteran, the only people I have ever met who argue for war and nuclear deterrence in terms of body count, are people who have never and probably will never experience war. One life lost is a fucking tragedy, and the people who devalue life so easily, are naïve.
People who haven't seen death are easy to lie too about it. Worse, they hype each other up, trying to compete to be the most evil to demonstrate their manhood, poisonously redefined as state utility. The only kind of person who says we should drop the bomb are those who substitute their souls for the state and their pride for its violence. The autonomic sort of brainwashing, whose greatest victims are those who volunteer to be part of it, and push it on others.
Do you know of any way to fix this for a viewer? If you were to mirror the audio, that should resolve it, but I don´t know how you could do that, appreciate all possible advice.
@@hind6461 Sorry for late reply, but there is an option to make the audio output on windows mono, meaning that the output to both left and right is the same.
@@Noah-ost I am so happy right now, I tried fixing this for like a year, but now I found a program called Equalizer and it finally works, thank you so much!
ICBM is also a good game to play. listening to rob in my left ear ad seeing him on the right really made me inspect my headphones to see if they were broke
disarmament should be everyone's ultimate goal. unfortunately, it just isn't feasible. An example is two people pointing guns at each other. Both people won't drop the gun until the other does. Neither side will drop the gun until they are unable to hold it any longer.
1:07:52 'we're almost there we just need more money' summarizes the military-industrial complex. Most of the US 'defense' budget does not go to fighting personnel but to for-profit corporate military contractors. They get the best of both worlds: because their money comes from the government (i.e. you the taxpayer) their funds are guaranteed. As a private entity however they can keep most of their books closed to oversight and public scrutiny. Even better, at the end of the day if they screw up (e.g. look up how many delays and budget overruns plagued the F-22 and F-35 projects) Congress gives them MORE money to fix the errors they themselves created. But sure, let's feel 'patriotic' by waving flags at parades 'for our troops.'
Great video talking with the Expert. One time playing this game, dont know how I pulled this off. I believe it was only ai enemies, I had no alliances, struck cities but silos as well, and ended up with 0 Million Deaths. Didnt get hit once
The reason they cant move their naval fleets is because they are right clicking too close to the fleet. The game also wont let u click/move really close to land.
i'm just sort of listening to this in the background but as soon as he responded to "cynical 90's kids" with CHALLENGER the first thing that came to my mind was Columbia. not quite the same but i was hanging out with a buddy of mine playing the playstation 1 and the whole trailer shook and we were like wtf and went outside and saw the contrail and a little puff of smoke and only found out some time later that it was a space shuttle full of people. real wierd thing to have actually seen even though we were so physically and emotionally removed from it.
In Hearts of Iron and Total War games, you have at least the option to request peace or offer peace. I don't see that kind of war having that option ;_;
1:16:22 Throughout the 90s we had a deal with Iraq that prevented them from building WMDs. As long as that deal was in place international inspectors were breathing down their necks enough that even with things they were hiding they never had enough breathing space to do anything about actually building the weapons. Result? Iraq couldn't build WMDs. (this is not my saying, this is what the intelligence agencies concluded in their report after our invasion) In North Korea we never negotiated a deal and hence in their isolation they could do whatever they wanted on their territory. Result? They built nukes! In Iran we had a deal that prevented them from any large scale development necessary for the capacity to build nukes. We were constantly breathing down their necks. When we abandoned the deal they immediately ramped up that capacity and expelled any check on their WMD aspirations. Would you rather have a criminal on parole who is constantly monitored and has to report to the police that they are refraining from further criminal activity or a criminal you let go completely free because you say 'well, they will lie anyway and commit crimes anyway so why should we ask them to check in with police once in a while? We will just threaten them with guns and that should stop them...'
The same argument about anti ballistic missile system success rates in this game can also be applied to literally everything else in this game up to and including the players themselves. An assumption that 100% of involved mechanisms will function 100% of the time with 100% efficiency is just silly.
Unless the AI got a big upgrade, no, even a new player that has just a couple of games under his belt against other humans will be playing better than the AI.
Such a great idea, loved it! Interview skills could be improved though, ideally you want to ask less leading questions and let the interviewee do most of the talking
solid state / liquid lasers and hyper velocity projectiles that use magnetic acceleration, paired with quantum AI might enable a feasible missile shield
There are all kinds of feasible ABM technologies. Knocking an incoming warhead out of the sky isn't really that hard, especially with modern technology. The problem comes from the fact that, in the battle between ABM systems and MIRVS, MIRVS will always win. No matter how accurate an ABM system is, throwing enough warheads at it *_will_* saturate it, and building more warheads is always easier than building enough ABMs to account for them all. There's also the problem that, if a perfect ABM system *_were_* possible, its owner would effectively become invulnerable. That would mean they could attack with impunity. Imagine if The Cold War USSR had such a system - would The US believe them if they said they wouldn't attack? How about vice versa? No way. They'd start planning, and preparing to neutralise them. There's no version of an ABM system that actually *_lowers_* tensions and makes the planet safer.
So an EMP detonation with dual or tri launch vehicle points that utilize non WMD atmospheric or orbital prosecution points wouldn't be viable? I challenge that a layered system with sufficient critical redundancies would succeed. Though I wouldn't be willing to bet the planet on it.@@stickiedmin6508
@@stickiedmin6508you’re forgetting the important factor that it doesn’t matter if the defense are over saturated. (These are made up numbers for the example) 2 of the 10 missiles intercepted is still a hell of a lot better then having all 10 hit. Also if you look it up I have found that it’s between 55% to 78% successful interceptions from different sources so in the worst case only around half will hit. In a nuclear war there is no winner just who can keep more people alive and infrastructure operating. Some defense is always better then no defense and it’s not like the country’s are suddenly going to disarm all the nuke I’ll put it in an analogy if you’re going into a gun fight and you have the choice to wear some light kevlar or none. I’m going to choose to put it on
What are all those line demarkations in the ocean off the East Coast of Australia? 41:25 This is a beautifully crafted strategy game, but good grief is it depressing! @_@
Ha, just re-watched this last night on Twitch and wondered if it was going to get scooped for YT! A fine piece of work. I've added the game ICBM to my Steam wishlist btw!
You can't move any naval unit within the designated coastlines without mods. Would highly recommend any mod that increases realism towards NATO boundaries. That said, yeah dude, don't park your subs directly on coastlines. That's how you eat ASW from enemy bombers.
… listening to this today as the British defense minister is threatening nuclear war with Russia and Putin is speaking in Moscow right this minute. We’re closer to Armageddon than ever before. There is no place to hide - we will all die. Keep that in mind when tempers get high arguing over Ukraine.
@@stickiedmin6508 Nope. At the time that this comment was made people were talking about how it would be possible to do a nuclear first strike on Russia and take them out. We are ruled by imbeciles.
@@stickiedmin6508 yes. It happened. The population is no longer willing to fight back. No need to nuke when the majority of the population will now do anything a government agency says. Covid. Shots. Masks. Fear of war. Everyone will comply and nobody will fight.
Imagine if an adversarial power patrols using warships/air forces with enough firepower to wipe out most of your major cities a mere 20 nautical miles off your coast in the name of 'freedom of navigation.' Heck, imagine if that distance is 100 nautical miles at a 'safe' distance. How would you react?
Imagine you and your opponent are standing, aiming pistols at each other. Then your opponent acquires a system that lets them neutralise your bullets before they get to him. He can hit you, but you can't hit him. Do you feel safer, or more threatened? The strategic balance has objectively changed, to your disadvantage. He's won the battle before it starts, by making your arsenal, and the deterrent value it represents, worthless. Sounds pretty offensive to me.
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14:38 The sound track for this game is prefect for the game content. A Woman sobs, another coughs, footsteps walking down a hall. Constantly with that low hum like you are in a bunker safe from the carnage. The nerve-wracking WANK! when the DECON level goes up, then more in rapid succession as the missiles are flying, the low concussive booms in the background. In the end the final score. Game over. I love this game.
I imagine doing that in the middle of a nuclear exchange would indeed be nerve-wracking.
Thanks , much appreciated
I've always felt the best way to explain this game is that you aren't trying to win so much as trying to lose the least. Which is more or less how nuclear war would go.
I remember reading somewhere that a small-scale nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan, of two hundred nukes, would lead to significantly reduced sunlight in the next 2-3 years. While this isn't total exctinction, its worldwide hunger for several years and decades more to recover completely. The "winner" of a full-scale nuclear war would have very little operational infrastructure to rebuild + finite food supplies until the next harvest distant of several years to a decade, even if all military conflict ceased worldwide and even if we ignored civil war and marauders/bandits. It'll be a veeeery tall order, even if you preserved, let's say, one million people in shelters and they all were super disciplined and level-headed.
@@destroyerinazuma96 as I rightly remember some science teams were working on nuclear war scenarios and they discovered that the nuclear winter is a myth, that if the total nuclear annihilation would happen it’s going to led to 1 cloudy day, depending on an environment, maybe in the overpopulated regions it would cause nuclear winter cuz them are going to get the most of the nukes (Europe, India and east coast of China, coasts of US)
@@ultraflopp2802 Interesting, I'll look it up. Thanks for sharing.
4:21 game start
9:48 defcon 4
15:48 defcon 3
23:47 defcon 2
33:47 defcon 1
5:00 "Think you're getting Kyiv back? I don't think so."
Speaking as a war veteran, the only people I have ever met who argue for war and nuclear deterrence in terms of body count, are people who have never and probably will never experience war.
One life lost is a fucking tragedy, and the people who devalue life so easily, are naïve.
People are capable of tolerating immense human suffering - so long as it’s happening to someone else.
"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." - Josef Stalin
You. I like the way you think.
People who haven't seen death are easy to lie too about it. Worse, they hype each other up, trying to compete to be the most evil to demonstrate their manhood, poisonously redefined as state utility. The only kind of person who says we should drop the bomb are those who substitute their souls for the state and their pride for its violence. The autonomic sort of brainwashing, whose greatest victims are those who volunteer to be part of it, and push it on others.
@@JavaJunkyquite famous quote.
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@@houstonjoker3836 what?
@@Silent_Death_0 put on earphones, then you’ll get it
Laughs in speakers
Speaker gang bouta pull up
Didnt know i needed this video
This would have been a lot more enjoyable if the audio balance wasn’t so far to the left!
Do you know of any way to fix this for a viewer?
If you were to mirror the audio, that should resolve it, but I don´t know how you could do that,
appreciate all possible advice.
@@hind6461 use speakers
@@LuminoAlgo not possible, but still thanks
@@hind6461 Sorry for late reply, but there is an option to make the audio output on windows mono, meaning that the output to both left and right is the same.
@@Noah-ost I am so happy right now, I tried fixing this for like a year, but now I found a program called Equalizer and it finally works, thank you so much!
6:30
Actually in game ABMs from your silos only have a 25% chance of an intercept per hit
Far from perfect but also way better than irl ABMs.
ICBM is also a good game to play. listening to rob in my left ear ad seeing him on the right really made me inspect my headphones to see if they were broke
46:12 *FINALLY switches from Mono to Stereo again*
This video was fantastic, great idea! Great game and was interesting to hear from an expert!
disarmament should be everyone's ultimate goal. unfortunately, it just isn't feasible. An example is two people pointing guns at each other. Both people won't drop the gun until the other does. Neither side will drop the gun until they are unable to hold it any longer.
1:07:52 'we're almost there we just need more money' summarizes the military-industrial complex.
Most of the US 'defense' budget does not go to fighting personnel but to for-profit corporate military contractors. They get the best of both worlds: because their money comes from the government (i.e. you the taxpayer) their funds are guaranteed. As a private entity however they can keep most of their books closed to oversight and public scrutiny.
Even better, at the end of the day if they screw up (e.g. look up how many delays and budget overruns plagued the F-22 and F-35 projects) Congress gives them MORE money to fix the errors they themselves created.
But sure, let's feel 'patriotic' by waving flags at parades 'for our troops.'
Love your country, hate your government bro…
I lost my right ear hearing from all the nuclear radiation
Great video talking with the Expert. One time playing this game, dont know how I pulled this off. I believe it was only ai enemies, I had no alliances, struck cities but silos as well, and ended up with 0 Million Deaths. Didnt get hit once
Lesson Nº 1: never use a Mac if you're traying to unleash your nukes on the enemy (34:39).
The reason they cant move their naval fleets is because they are right clicking too close to the fleet. The game also wont let u click/move really close to land.
i'm just sort of listening to this in the background but as soon as he responded to "cynical 90's kids" with CHALLENGER the first thing that came to my mind was Columbia. not quite the same but i was hanging out with a buddy of mine playing the playstation 1 and the whole trailer shook and we were like wtf and went outside and saw the contrail and a little puff of smoke and only found out some time later that it was a space shuttle full of people. real wierd thing to have actually seen even though we were so physically and emotionally removed from it.
How about a game of tic-tac-toe Professor Falken?
In Hearts of Iron and Total War games, you have at least the option to request peace or offer peace. I don't see that kind of war having that option ;_;
I think they should have played the game, recorded it and then had a podcast about nuclear war while commentating on what they did in the game.
This was so great! Oh my gosh what a great discussion on a favorite topic of mine. Just bought Defcon and ICBM 😂
1:16:22 Throughout the 90s we had a deal with Iraq that prevented them from building WMDs. As long as that deal was in place international inspectors were breathing down their necks enough that even with things they were hiding they never had enough breathing space to do anything about actually building the weapons. Result? Iraq couldn't build WMDs. (this is not my saying, this is what the intelligence agencies concluded in their report after our invasion)
In North Korea we never negotiated a deal and hence in their isolation they could do whatever they wanted on their territory. Result? They built nukes!
In Iran we had a deal that prevented them from any large scale development necessary for the capacity to build nukes. We were constantly breathing down their necks. When we abandoned the deal they immediately ramped up that capacity and expelled any check on their WMD aspirations.
Would you rather have a criminal on parole who is constantly monitored and has to report to the police that they are refraining from further criminal activity or a criminal you let go completely free because you say 'well, they will lie anyway and commit crimes anyway so why should we ask them to check in with police once in a while? We will just threaten them with guns and that should stop them...'
Defcon one now. 33:47
The same argument about anti ballistic missile system success rates in this game can also be applied to literally everything else in this game up to and including the players themselves. An assumption that 100% of involved mechanisms will function 100% of the time with 100% efficiency is just silly.
1:09:45 anyone have links to where I can read more about this incident? I had no idea this happened.
I demand a replay (please?) with him knowing how to play
When you watch this video, and find out the Audio is only on the left side tickling you: Ha ha, haha, hahahahahhahaha. 😂🤦♂️
Doc seems more devastated by the story of the runner up going to school that all the deaths because of nuclear weapons.
2 seconds in and that audio has made my decision on watching any further for me.
Really interesting discussion! This is the only game I’m glad I’m terrible at
Unless the AI got a big upgrade, no, even a new player that has just a couple of games under his belt against other humans will be playing better than the AI.
It's possible to decap strike against any faction, as long as you know their launch window.
Defcon is the civilian equivalent of 'Able Archer'
The game that War Games is based off on.
other way around. Was based off of War Games.
Ha wow I read his book and ended up here randomly while searching for games. 👏
and here we are again the fear of a nuclear war
Here's my opinion on nukes: nuke=bad
my left ear enjoyed it
Such a great idea, loved it! Interview skills could be improved though, ideally you want to ask less leading questions and let the interviewee do most of the talking
solid state / liquid lasers and hyper velocity projectiles that use magnetic acceleration, paired with quantum AI might enable a feasible missile shield
There are all kinds of feasible ABM technologies. Knocking an incoming warhead out of the sky isn't really that hard, especially with modern technology.
The problem comes from the fact that, in the battle between ABM systems and MIRVS, MIRVS will always win.
No matter how accurate an ABM system is, throwing enough warheads at it *_will_* saturate it, and building more warheads is always easier than building enough ABMs to account for them all.
There's also the problem that, if a perfect ABM system *_were_* possible, its owner would effectively become invulnerable. That would mean they could attack with impunity.
Imagine if The Cold War USSR had such a system - would The US believe them if they said they wouldn't attack? How about vice versa?
No way. They'd start planning, and preparing to neutralise them.
There's no version of an ABM system that actually *_lowers_* tensions and makes the planet safer.
So an EMP detonation with dual or tri launch vehicle points that utilize non WMD atmospheric or orbital prosecution points wouldn't be viable? I challenge that a layered system with sufficient critical redundancies would succeed. Though I wouldn't be willing to bet the planet on it.@@stickiedmin6508
none of these are real words
@@stickiedmin6508you’re forgetting the important factor that it doesn’t matter if the defense are over saturated. (These are made up numbers for the example) 2 of the 10 missiles intercepted is still a hell of a lot better then having all 10 hit. Also if you look it up I have found that it’s between 55% to 78% successful interceptions from different sources so in the worst case only around half will hit. In a nuclear war there is no winner just who can keep more people alive and infrastructure operating.
Some defense is always better then no defense and it’s not like the country’s are suddenly going to disarm all the nuke
I’ll put it in an analogy if you’re going into a gun fight and you have the choice to wear some light kevlar or none. I’m going to choose to put it on
What are all those line demarkations in the ocean off the East Coast of Australia? 41:25
This is a beautifully crafted strategy game, but good grief is it depressing! @_@
Might have helped to sketch out a bit more what is going on in the game, I didn't really know what people were trying to do or why?
Kill more of the enemy population than they kill of yours. That's DEFCON 2:11.
@@johndane9754
That's the concept of the game.
Not the mechanics of it. That doesn't describe what's happening on screen, or why.
So that blue AI player was obviously playing as Wakanda...
My right ear seems to be broken
I literally thought my right AirPod was dead or just messed up
Ha, just re-watched this last night on Twitch and wondered if it was going to get scooped for YT! A fine piece of work. I've added the game ICBM to my Steam wishlist btw!
Read Scott Horton's new book: Hotter Than The Sun
00:05:03 DOGCON 4
LOL
You can't move any naval unit within the designated coastlines without mods. Would highly recommend any mod that increases realism towards NATO boundaries.
That said, yeah dude, don't park your subs directly on coastlines. That's how you eat ASW from enemy bombers.
My left ear enjoyed this video
imagine using headphone
"The only winning move is not to play"
This game looks terrifying. Enjoyed the vid. Some really good points here
Look! What a silly game about war!
10 minutes later: *oh no.*
My left ear enjoyed the video
My left airpod loved this one!
watched the whole thing.
What did you think?
My left ear loved this video
Assuming that russia is a "responsible nuclear power" is a grave mistake.
Half of Canada's population W 😅🤣
When do we get the recently tested lasers and hypersonic missle updates so you can have a proper rematch.
does that dude know what murder means?
Left ear robert...
wow, Rob just really hates Mexicans huh. Sao Paulo is *right there* man
who thought it was a good idea to record in mono
Can I get this game on Android....or is it PC only
Pc only I believe
You are weird but what you said was petty cool
… listening to this today as the British defense minister is threatening nuclear war with Russia and Putin is speaking in Moscow right this minute. We’re closer to Armageddon than ever before. There is no place to hide - we will all die. Keep that in mind when tempers get high arguing over Ukraine.
The British aren't the ones threatening nuclear war here.
Putin is the only one making threats.
@@stickiedmin6508 Nope. At the time that this comment was made people were talking about how it would be possible to do a nuclear first strike on Russia and take them out. We are ruled by imbeciles.
i found one! to say: nothing ever happens and nothing ever will
The game is perfect . . . the users are 'finnicky'😶
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Good job
whats wrong with the sound
You can't hold a controller with nuclear arms.
Stop booing. I'm leaving.
A great game, but nuclear war seems so pointless.
Nice pre programming for what’s about to happen.
Oh yes? What was that? Or are you back on your meds by now?
@@skepticalbadger You live under a rock…
@@rd._874
Has "it" happened yet Tyler? How much longer?
@@stickiedmin6508 yes. It happened. The population is no longer willing to fight back. No need to nuke when the majority of the population will now do anything a government agency says. Covid. Shots. Masks. Fear of war. Everyone will comply and nobody will fight.
Imagine if an adversarial power patrols using warships/air forces with enough firepower to wipe out most of your major cities a mere 20 nautical miles off your coast in the name of 'freedom of navigation.' Heck, imagine if that distance is 100 nautical miles at a 'safe' distance.
How would you react?
“Shooting down ICBM’s is offensive “ WTF? No thats self defense
You didn't listen. He's talking about pro-actively striking ICBMs before launch.
Imagine you and your opponent are standing, aiming pistols at each other.
Then your opponent acquires a system that lets them neutralise your bullets before they get to him.
He can hit you, but you can't hit him.
Do you feel safer, or more threatened?
The strategic balance has objectively changed, to your disadvantage.
He's won the battle before it starts, by making your arsenal, and the deterrent value it represents, worthless.
Sounds pretty offensive to me.