Maaaan.. I don't know how you do it. I'm watching a guy driving a car on the highway and laughing my aaaasss off. You are really talented youtuber, sir.
Loving this high speed test. And proper ninja to do this all in basically two days!! Would love to see a 1000km test Germany edition. Doing 150-160kph on average. But ofc that would be quite a difficult thing for you to do…
I drove my i4 M50 to Munich and back. 2x 1300 km. I went as fast as traffic allowed and kept the battery between 4% and 70% all the way. Fun! I could have done the trip faster if I had settled for a more steady pace. I could have saved at least one 20 min stop.
As a german i can tell you that you probably wont average 150-160kph for 1000 km. Too many other cars that will force you to decelerate. But i think 130 kph on average will be possible.
Hello Bjørn, I am Tore from The Norwegian Automobile Importers' Association. This is a very interesting test to me, as I have ordered an i4 M50 for delivery 1st of August. Also, I myself have tested a lot of cars, several of them on the Autobahn, but so far no BEV's in Germany. I think the A20 is a good test "track" for you. This relatively new-built (in the 90'es) Autobahn runs from around Lübeck (actually from Bad Segeberg) and almost all the way east to Polan, along the Ostseeküste. There you have around 300 + km of non-speed-limited stretch with not too much traffic. (I think we briefly met at the Norwegian importers' dinner in Frankfurt a.M. once.) Gute Fahrt!
I love the way you talk. I am German and your German being thrown into your talking is really cool. Love it. If you get a chance, can you do a video on Chiang Dao and some highlights there ? I only know Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai regions up in the north
Recently for a long range trip I got out of my i3 and into a Model Y performance and had to make some Tesla Bjorn noises during the ride. To be serious: It was very efficient and very fast and the i3 felt really not sporty anymore afterwards. After a week things felt right again.
Very interesting video. I'm in Australia (where we have very few EV's). I've never driven anything other than "a fossil" 🤣 and I've never driven on German autobahns so the entire thing is outside my realm of experience. Enjoyed your commentary and detail around all the stats and calcs. And yeah, in most jurisdictions around the world where I've driven on freeways and expressways, you could not trust other drivers to NOT come across into your lane unexpectedly like you're able to do there, so this is clearly a fundamental level of skill and knowledge the autobahn drivers have. Impressive but still unnerving to watch you whizzing past other vehicles like they're standing still.
not as safe as it seems, especially at night. there you are, pulling out at 95 mph to get past a van only doing 80, you look in the mirrors and it's clear -and as you move out some porsche comes up at 180 mph. and you may not realise the speed it's doing from one glance in the mirror. there's a reason german car blind sport radars are so good at reporting something coming up fast -even when it is still a distance away
What I find unsettling with autobahns is driving in the middle lane, with the porsches on the left at 200 km/h+ and towering lorries to the right at 100 km/h. If you don’t want suprises, its better to be the left-lane hugging guy in the Porsche, that way, efterthing is in front of you.
@@mikaelbohman6694 yes, the potential for a cataclysmic chain-reaction style of pile-up would be ever present with the speed differentials involved. But we don't hear of massive accidents on them very often so I guess that's mostly because the driving population understands what's critical in regards to lane changes and overall behaviour. One wonders though what prepares someone for such a road. I can imagine visitors from OS having no real comprehension and understanding of the speed dynamics involved and them being VERY dangerous by comparison to the well-trained locals. And yes, the middle lane is likely to be a far more dangerous place than the extreme speeds of the left overtaking lane. A lot of potential for people to be making sudden moves from either the left lane back into the slower middle lane or jumping out of the right lane quickly to go around slower trucks. Recipe for disaster frankly!
Sadly, you can no longer trust drivers not to get into the way when driving fast here. I used to dash between cities at 250 km/h, but nowadays you would have to test your brakes pretty soon at that speed. From my point of view it's easy to see a fast approaching car when keeping an eye on rear traffic through the mirror every few moments, but it seems many people are too lazy for that and only do a quick glance. And that is just not enough. I can't even remember when I reached 250 last time, probably 4 or 5 years ago.
This was so great :) A BeeEmmVee in its natural habitat. And all those fossils so slow to accelerate. If BMW can actually make a profit on each sold, they have a product that can compete with Tesla. And apparently ample Ionity chargers between Northern Germany and Oslo. Great memories of the Autobahn. Will be back over there in February :)
To expand. Air resistance is exponential for every doubling of speed resistance squares #physics. This gets amplified by bringing along a comparative small amount of energy stored in a battery vs loads of energy in a tank of petrol. 70L tank of petrol= 650kWh (50kg*45MJ) vs a big battery= 100kWh. Even though most ice engines don't even get 30% of that energy to work, its still double the work vs battery. So every petrol head saying ev suck, yea your box sucks to =P
Such a cool video, fun to see autobahn content! Funny you say that fossil cars don't have the same acceleration - I'd say the equivalent (or maybe slightly higher spec'd) BMW M, AMG or Audi S/RS models accelerate just as fast, if not faster than the i4 M50 :D
Cool video again Björn! Didn't know you can do Finnish! 😄 By the way - "moi moi" is also used around Flensburg (an upper / northern Germany thing I guess) - confuses me every time as a Finn when shopping in Flensburg and they greet you like this 🤣 Very interesting what you mentioned about the battery heat on higher consumption - makes sense... What I've learned also from my Autobahn driving is this exponential consumption - and the consumption really increases dramatically yes... Some kind of a sweetspot seems to be 110 km/h or so... (does this depend on a car? maybe so...)
A pretty frustrating drive. Overheating, very low range, etc. When I used to cross Germany in the 80s and 90s, going at 250/260 km/h, generally in a Porsche 928, or a Mercedes AMG, I would average 400km between stops for fuel. And I never had to ease off the throttle because of overheating.
Did the same as you in the 90s. But nowadays you have to ease off because people are driving slowly in the left lane. Average speeds have dropped a lot. I would definitely not have considered buying a vehicle with a BEV's characteristics back then, but I am waiting for my i4 M50 now..
The talking alone…priceless, I would not even need the video……this is hilarious, I‘m LMFAO😂😂, I’m German, so freakin‘ funny so see a Norwegian completely loosing it on the deutsche Autobahn :-))
For sure not all is great with this car but for me personally it‘s still the best EV on the market today. Even the efficiency in a Tesla is better. But I made many long trips with the i4 M50 and it was always more efficient then i thought. Only when it rains very heavily I made the experience that the range drops pretty much. In total a great video with a great car Bjørn
it cannot be best just because the use same platform for EV and petrol engine. There is a big place for gear box, which is just empty. I love BMW, but unfortunatelly they are few steps behind on EV market. And I dont see how they are going to catch competitors in near future.
Really nice, It was long time I was waiting for long distance full speed test with BMW i4, Because it is definitely one of my favorite cars, How ever thank you Bjorn Nice video 👍, I wish you do this kind of tests more and more with different cars, Like EQS, EV6, Audi E-tron, Genesis GV70 and etc. One more thing please add Full Speed Total Range to your excel sheet then we can compare with different cars.
Thank you for the cool test. As you see, many Germans drive with 140 - 170 km/h. And as we see and know, EVs lose range so much faster than combustion engines, even with a moderate speed of 140-150 km/h (A nice traveling speed imao). That is why Germans might face more difficulties adapting EVs. Will we ever see cars around 40-50k-ish, which manage 400km with a full charge at 130 km/h average?
@J. J. Cunningham Somewhat true. It is a double -moral. There is no reasonable explanation for driving faster than 130 km/h. Or 85 mp/h. And yet, we are used to it and people enjoy it very much. I would consider 150 km/h as a compfortable traveling speed. Currently Germany has far more dirty problems. E. g.: 40% of the total Energy used is from coal and only 17% is from renewables. This has to change… 😬
I'd guess the boost is limited by temperature (motor and/or battery temperature). So it takes some time to cool everything down until boost comes back.
Electric motor actually has higher losses due to higher frequency (i.e. rotating speed). High freq from VFD to Motor causes iron losses to increase dramatically. Best efficiency in any electric motor is on so called field weakening point which is usually is the sweet spot on efficiency.. over it and it is not best, under it same thing. On FWP the motor voltage is full voltage so you get best power i.e. full voltage and current.
My mom actually lives in Quickborn (southern turnaround point). You gotta say hi next time! - Great to see a real high-speed EV test. Also I guess you could do 1000km challenge while driving down to Germany for doing your new highspeed Test. 😊
ICE cars are really inefficient when youre maxing them as well... in 5th gear steady speed not so many revs yeah it just sips... but when youre maxing the revs they get really thirsty... just look at veyron
@bjorn Higher speeds in fossil cars, still consume a lot of fuel, but the efficiency of electric cars is from the start a lot higher than in fossil cars. So even though fossils become more efficient they are still less efficient.
ICE's engine map is just very inefficient at low speeds, gets better hat typical country road speeds, but at autobahn speed power consumption will go up with v^3 just like for EVs (resistance is dominated here by aerodynamic drag which increases with v^2 and power is F*v and neither ICEs nor EVs can escape the laws of physics). EVs just do not have this inefficiency at low speed.
I think the power limit is the inverter heating up. The power limit goes away too quickly for the battery to change temperature enough to effect output power. A liquid cooled inverter would be able to change temperature quickly since there is very little thermal mass.
The problem with high speed driving and consumption is not the heat loss, but the wind resistance. That one has a quadratic dependency on the speed of the car.
Realy intersesting test! I am from the area and use the A7 very often with my Mercedes V6 Diesel. I always wondered if an electric car would suit my current driving style. It does not :) To little range for Autobahn driving if you try to average 135 km/h plus on a long distance journey
Bjorn is a racedriver also! I really liked the calculations. One of my descisions to drive ev was the top speed limmit in NL of 100km/h, it's really fast enough here (yeah here... not germany)
Well, actually it is still 130, they just covered the whole country in speed limits. There’s still enough places to do 130 at “night”, just not in the more populated areas
Sorry, but no...the 100 limit during the day is ridiculous...all Dutch people I know are very annoyed and I've seen probably thousands just ignoring it completely
41:50 they already needed the whole night to place the sight there ... its germany and not a private person so cost 10 times more and need 10 times longer
This result is a bit disheartening...I'm getting my M50 finally next week...starting to have doubts, if it was a good idea to switch from the RS5...I feel a bit cheated esp. with the power throttling
Seems like boost disappeared right before the SoC dropped to 74%. I remember reading something that some cars only allow this kind of boosting above a certain SoC%. This makes sense, since above 70-80% the lithium batteries tend to have much steeper charge/discharge curves and higher voltages. This (high voltage) could be an effective thing to fight back-EMF in PM motors at high speeds or just let huge amounts of current flow through the motor when allowed by the motor ECU.
@@bjornnyland i have just finished the video and seen that boost returned after a slower stretch around 25%. This rendesr my explanation (at least in case of the i40) incorrect. TLDR: Should have watched the video till the end before commenting
Really nice video - as usual! Could you test the upcoming i4 m40 awd (at some point in 2023, when it is available?). I would be really interested in its range and consumption compared to the LR model 3! 😇
The fact that high speed has a much bigger impact on energy-consumption of EV’s, will never change in the future, even with new batteries. The reason is simple. Drag increases with the square of velocity. If speed doubles, air-drag shows a fourfold increase. An EV transforms 80% of energy in motion and drag has therefore a big impact on consumption at high speeds. An ICE car transforms only 20% of energy in motion. The rest is lost as heat. Even at higher speeds, heat loss remains the leading cause of energy consumption in the ICE car, leading to a much smaller impact of drag.
Such a cool video to watch Bjorn! I think the German freeways should be part of your tests!!! We need to see how the PLAID does there. BMW power train and electronics seem terrible compared to Tesla at high speeds wow!
@@theinsiders4561 totally agree! German craftsman quality is amazing! Realistically though Tesla is still the only car for the roads. The rest of the EVs matching it half way are double to triple the price and the worst is that you pay $150,000-$250,000 and you can only make it to the local store since nobody makes charging networks except Tesla! It blows my mind. I have a friend with a rivian and he is so scared to drive farther that 150 miles haha. He takes his Tesla everywhere due to the awfully unreliable third party charging network. Shame on all of the other manufacturers! I’m buying a Tesla for sure !!!!
Nice. At higher speeds more energy to move air, so less efficient regardless of power source. EVs could gear for more range and less acceleration. Or overdrive/ second gear? In B mode the whole way? Boost might be limited when battery percent lower.
For unhindered Vmax try the A31 section between Schüttorf and Bunde.🙂 In reality, speeds above 130 km/h are impractical for EV's to have any practical range.
12:25 surely ICE engines are more efficient at high “load/revs” but they will also be much more thirsty at 200km/h than if driving at 120km/h, so you would probably get half the range of a petrol BMW 4 series too…
finally a proper real world range review. At Europe, mostly it is 130 km /h the speed limit. So this is close to real world. Not the most 110km/h tests.
Bjorn today I have watch one youtube video. Canal name is "Autogefühl". Guy tested Tesla model S plad in autobahn. That test I can't wait from you. Bjorn please we need that hehehe
150km range is very weak but its espected with those electric cars. When i flat out my dad 530e the battery empties so fast as well. But luckily there is gasoline in reserve :D
Great video thanks - Bjorn can you or anyone please share which OBD reader and App you are using? I noticed you put up a display showing IX3 / I4 on one of your videos. I have been unsuccessful in getting any OBD readers to work. Thanks Mike
Something is odd about the car not maintaining Vmax at supposedly over 50% available power. 50% is 175 kW, that should easily be enough to stay at 225 km/h. My 1999 ICE car does 252 with 191 kW. 252^2/225^2=1.25.
Thats why we germans love our 2-3 L Diesels so much. It uses 10-15 Liters of Fuel while driving 230/250 kph, so we get 400-600 Kilometers of range.
“I’m limited to 475 horse power only”
Sending thoughts and prayers 🫡
I think you should make many more videos like this Björn...you'd find them very popular...really great to hear the running commentary..!!..🤣🤣
You have to watch out so that no one thinks you are watching porn 😂
"Ich komme! Ich komme!" You could have made a great career in german adult film industry. 😉
Ja, Helga!
One of the best Videos so far. Tons of fun with some important stats. Gimme more of that! Greetings from Stuttgart.
Go back 3 years Bjorn did lots of full speed tesla Inc 3 with and without spoiler.
This heavy car (2400 kg with driver) at 225 kmh has 1.3 kWh kinetic energy (E =1/2 mv²). At much higher speed energy is E =mc².
That's a lot!
Hi Alan,
You are perfect right, I checked it );
I doubted it because 1.3 kWh in electric energy would only cost here in Germany about 0,5 €
That’s 4700kJ for anyone who uses units that make sense
Ausfahrt the biggest city in Germany LMAO
It has a sister city Sortie in France.
@@svengaefgen5909 And Centre-Ville
Ausfahrt is sooo big, it has got an own TV-Channel. Ausfahrt TV (on YT)
@@svengaefgen5909 and “toutes directions” 😂
We have USCITA in Italy :)
Maaaan.. I don't know how you do it. I'm watching a guy driving a car on the highway and laughing my aaaasss off. You are really talented youtuber, sir.
Thanks Bjørn for providing a test relevant to persons wanting to follow the fast traffic on the Autobahn
Loving this high speed test. And proper ninja to do this all in basically two days!!
Would love to see a 1000km test Germany edition. Doing 150-160kph on average. But ofc that would be quite a difficult thing for you to do…
you will never reach 150-160 on average at daytime anyway.
I drove my i4 M50 to Munich and back. 2x 1300 km. I went as fast as traffic allowed and kept the battery between 4% and 70% all the way. Fun! I could have done the trip faster if I had settled for a more steady pace. I could have saved at least one 20 min stop.
@@PeterEduard what was the time it took you (including charging) for each leg?
As a german i can tell you that you probably wont average 150-160kph for 1000 km. Too many other cars that will force you to decelerate. But i think 130 kph on average will be possible.
Hello Bjørn, I am Tore from The Norwegian Automobile Importers' Association. This is a very interesting test to me, as I have ordered an i4 M50 for delivery 1st of August. Also, I myself have tested a lot of cars, several of them on the Autobahn, but so far no BEV's in Germany. I think the A20 is a good test "track" for you. This relatively new-built (in the 90'es) Autobahn runs from around Lübeck (actually from Bad Segeberg) and almost all the way east to Polan, along the Ostseeküste. There you have around 300 + km of non-speed-limited stretch with not too much traffic. (I think we briefly met at the Norwegian importers' dinner in Frankfurt a.M. once.) Gute Fahrt!
18:00 How to remove a lane hog: Let a fast car behind you pass and do the job for you, then merge back and overtake...
Does not work if you are the fast car.
Björn being surprised of "phantom Baustellen", you realize he is not that often in Germany 😂
I love the way you talk. I am German and your German being thrown into your talking is really cool. Love it. If you get a chance, can you do a video on Chiang Dao and some highlights there ? I only know Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai regions up in the north
You are right, you are supposed to drive right for german citizenship. It could be someone coming wirh 280 km/h or more
There where talks about a guy going ~420 being reckless but it was dismissed
Great german Björn, as always! 😜
Recently for a long range trip I got out of my i3 and into a Model Y performance and had to make some Tesla Bjorn noises during the ride. To be serious: It was very efficient and very fast and the i3 felt really not sporty anymore afterwards. After a week things felt right again.
Great video! Cheers from Portugal!
Very interesting video. I'm in Australia (where we have very few EV's). I've never driven anything other than "a fossil" 🤣 and I've never driven on German autobahns so the entire thing is outside my realm of experience. Enjoyed your commentary and detail around all the stats and calcs. And yeah, in most jurisdictions around the world where I've driven on freeways and expressways, you could not trust other drivers to NOT come across into your lane unexpectedly like you're able to do there, so this is clearly a fundamental level of skill and knowledge the autobahn drivers have. Impressive but still unnerving to watch you whizzing past other vehicles like they're standing still.
not as safe as it seems, especially at night. there you are, pulling out at 95 mph to get past a van only doing 80, you look in the mirrors and it's clear -and as you move out some porsche comes up at 180 mph. and you may not realise the speed it's doing from one glance in the mirror. there's a reason german car blind sport radars are so good at reporting something coming up fast -even when it is still a distance away
What I find unsettling with autobahns is driving in the middle lane, with the porsches on the left at 200 km/h+ and towering lorries to the right at 100 km/h. If you don’t want suprises, its better to be the left-lane hugging guy in the Porsche, that way, efterthing is in front of you.
@@mikaelbohman6694 yes, the potential for a cataclysmic chain-reaction style of pile-up would be ever present with the speed differentials involved. But we don't hear of massive accidents on them very often so I guess that's mostly because the driving population understands what's critical in regards to lane changes and overall behaviour. One wonders though what prepares someone for such a road. I can imagine visitors from OS having no real comprehension and understanding of the speed dynamics involved and them being VERY dangerous by comparison to the well-trained locals.
And yes, the middle lane is likely to be a far more dangerous place than the extreme speeds of the left overtaking lane. A lot of potential for people to be making sudden moves from either the left lane back into the slower middle lane or jumping out of the right lane quickly to go around slower trucks. Recipe for disaster frankly!
Sadly, you can no longer trust drivers not to get into the way when driving fast here. I used to dash between cities at 250 km/h, but nowadays you would have to test your brakes pretty soon at that speed. From my point of view it's easy to see a fast approaching car when keeping an eye on rear traffic through the mirror every few moments, but it seems many people are too lazy for that and only do a quick glance. And that is just not enough. I can't even remember when I reached 250 last time, probably 4 or 5 years ago.
Glad that you had great fun. Love video very much. Thank you.
Very useful, thanks a mill !
This was so great :) A BeeEmmVee in its natural habitat. And all those fossils so slow to accelerate. If BMW can actually make a profit on each sold, they have a product that can compete with Tesla. And apparently ample Ionity chargers between Northern Germany and Oslo. Great memories of the Autobahn. Will be back over there in February :)
That was freakin awesome man!
Thats the test we need :-)) Power restriction after few kilometers on Vmax was surprising :-)
Great sharing your enthusiasm, Bjorn.
You have to love the autobahn. Went this part just today in an M440i. And it was so easy to go fast with many other cars. Great Video
It’s nice to see you drive next to Henstedt Ulzburg where I live.
Willkommen auf der A7. Viel Spaß beim Test.
I always wanted that high speed data . Thanks mate
To expand. Air resistance is exponential for every doubling of speed resistance squares #physics.
This gets amplified by bringing along a comparative small amount of energy stored in a battery vs loads of energy in a tank of petrol. 70L tank of petrol= 650kWh (50kg*45MJ) vs a big battery= 100kWh. Even though most ice engines don't even get 30% of that energy to work, its still double the work vs battery. So every petrol head saying ev suck, yea your box sucks to =P
Such a cool video, fun to see autobahn content!
Funny you say that fossil cars don't have the same acceleration - I'd say the equivalent (or maybe slightly higher spec'd) BMW M, AMG or Audi S/RS models accelerate just as fast, if not faster than the i4 M50 :D
Always of interest master, thx‼️
I think you should make many more videos like this Björn. Test taycan first Nice video,love it 😝
Cool video again Björn! Didn't know you can do Finnish! 😄 By the way - "moi moi" is also used around Flensburg (an upper / northern Germany thing I guess) - confuses me every time as a Finn when shopping in Flensburg and they greet you like this 🤣 Very interesting what you mentioned about the battery heat on higher consumption - makes sense... What I've learned also from my Autobahn driving is this exponential consumption - and the consumption really increases dramatically yes... Some kind of a sweetspot seems to be 110 km/h or so... (does this depend on a car? maybe so...)
It‘s actually „Moin Moin“ 😉
@@mattuk7612 good point 😅
A pretty frustrating drive.
Overheating, very low range, etc.
When I used to cross Germany in the 80s and 90s, going at 250/260 km/h, generally in a Porsche 928, or a Mercedes AMG, I would average 400km between stops for fuel.
And I never had to ease off the throttle because of overheating.
Did the same as you in the 90s. But nowadays you have to ease off because people are driving slowly in the left lane. Average speeds have dropped a lot. I would definitely not have considered buying a vehicle with a BEV's characteristics back then, but I am waiting for my i4 M50 now..
Biorn give as a more of those hight speed videos. Me enjoy it! 😉👍
The talking alone…priceless, I would not even need the video……this is hilarious, I‘m LMFAO😂😂, I’m German, so freakin‘ funny so see a Norwegian completely loosing it on the deutsche Autobahn :-))
Yea you should try it with the Taycan, i think the 2 speed transmission will give you additional pull at high speed.
Plus no Power downgrading and 250kmh Max Speed
For sure not all is great with this car but for me personally it‘s still the best EV on the market today. Even the efficiency in a Tesla is better. But I made many long trips with the i4 M50 and it was always more efficient then i thought. Only when it rains very heavily I made the experience that the range drops pretty much. In total a great video with a great car Bjørn
it cannot be best just because the use same platform for EV and petrol engine. There is a big place for gear box, which is just empty. I love BMW, but unfortunatelly they are few steps behind on EV market. And I dont see how they are going to catch competitors in near future.
@@iManiac7 you are completely wrong . When you read my comment I write that this is for me personally. You can obviously have your own ;)
@@Mike-zp8wp I feel you read mine in wrong way too :) let me ask: why do you want to buy EV?
@@iManiac7 again wrong. I bought this one and I love it. I test so many and this is my favorite EV. 😊
Really nice, It was long time I was waiting for long distance full speed test with BMW i4, Because it is definitely one of my favorite cars, How ever thank you Bjorn Nice video 👍, I wish you do this kind of tests more and more with different cars, Like EQS, EV6, Audi E-tron, Genesis GV70 and etc. One more thing please add Full Speed Total Range to your excel sheet then we can compare with different cars.
I'd love to see EQS... The car is on my wishlist... 😁
Thank you for the cool test. As you see, many Germans drive with 140 -
170 km/h. And as we see and know, EVs lose range so much faster than combustion engines, even with a moderate speed of 140-150 km/h (A nice traveling speed imao). That is why Germans might face more difficulties adapting EVs.
Will we ever see cars around 40-50k-ish, which manage 400km with a full charge at 130 km/h average?
@J. J. Cunningham Somewhat true. It is a double -moral. There is no reasonable explanation for driving faster than 130 km/h. Or 85 mp/h. And yet, we are used to it and people enjoy it very much. I would consider 150 km/h as a compfortable traveling speed. Currently Germany has far more dirty problems. E. g.: 40% of the total Energy used is from coal and only 17% is from renewables. This has to change… 😬
I'd guess the boost is limited by temperature (motor and/or battery temperature). So it takes some time to cool everything down until boost comes back.
this is why Germans have so nice car because they have roads where you can realy squeeze everything from your car. German style test! Nice job!
Electric motor actually has higher losses due to higher frequency (i.e. rotating speed). High freq from VFD to Motor causes iron losses to increase dramatically. Best efficiency in any electric motor is on so called field weakening point which is usually is the sweet spot on efficiency.. over it and it is not best, under it same thing.
On FWP the motor voltage is full voltage so you get best power i.e. full voltage and current.
My mom actually lives in Quickborn (southern turnaround point). You gotta say hi next time! - Great to see a real high-speed EV test.
Also I guess you could do 1000km challenge while driving down to Germany for doing your new highspeed Test. 😊
shouldn't it be Quicklyborn?
15:00 "look at that lane discipline" and just passed a midlane hugger because of which he had to slow down
I enjoyed it very much. In Times of fossil cars i went usually with 170kmh. Seems this car could make a lot of km at this Speed.
You mixture of languages inbetween the words was the most amusing thing in the video :D
Supposedly the i4 M50 has max regen of 195kW. Fun video!!
I could try an electric Opel Corsa, and when driving with its VMAX (150 km/h) the realistic range also was about 130-150km.
I really enjoyed this episode 🙂
Nein..nein..nein. ( i love this episode)
ICE cars are really inefficient when youre maxing them as well... in 5th gear steady speed not so many revs yeah it just sips... but when youre maxing the revs they get really thirsty... just look at veyron
34:34 That was a fucking rolling race ahaha... I love germany ❤
@bjorn Higher speeds in fossil cars, still consume a lot of fuel, but the efficiency of electric cars is from the start a lot higher than in fossil cars.
So even though fossils become more efficient they are still less efficient.
ICE's engine map is just very inefficient at low speeds, gets better hat typical country road speeds, but at autobahn speed power consumption will go up with v^3 just like for EVs (resistance is dominated here by aerodynamic drag which increases with v^2 and power is F*v and neither ICEs nor EVs can escape the laws of physics). EVs just do not have this inefficiency at low speed.
I think the power limit is the inverter heating up. The power limit goes away too quickly for the battery to change temperature enough to effect output power. A liquid cooled inverter would be able to change temperature quickly since there is very little thermal mass.
Cool fun video. Keep them coming Bjorn. 👍👍
The problem with high speed driving and consumption is not the heat loss, but the wind resistance. That one has a quadratic dependency on the speed of the car.
Realy intersesting test! I am from the area and use the A7 very often with my Mercedes V6 Diesel. I always wondered if an electric car would suit my current driving style. It does not :) To little range for Autobahn driving if you try to average 135 km/h plus on a long distance journey
Das Stück Autobahn benutze ich auch immer für Tests 🙂
Finaly a realy excelent video!
Last summer hammering the Volkswagen ID.3 on Germany and 160km/h consumption on 60km "no speed limit" zone was 28,5kWh/100km
Oho! Wow! Thanks for the update!
That’s better than my Model 3, I’m above 300 at these speeds.
Can confirm this. In Summer you cant really go over 30kwh/100 in the real World.
Hahaha! The beaver! I never get tired of your humor Björn 🤣
Bjorn is a racedriver also! I really liked the calculations. One of my descisions to drive ev was the top speed limmit in NL of 100km/h, it's really fast enough here (yeah here... not germany)
Well, actually it is still 130, they just covered the whole country in speed limits. There’s still enough places to do 130 at “night”, just not in the more populated areas
Sorry, but no...the 100 limit during the day is ridiculous...all Dutch people I know are very annoyed and I've seen probably thousands just ignoring it completely
If you want Schnitzel, Bjørn, come to Cologne and I’ll show you the best Schnitzel location ever.
41:50 they already needed the whole night to place the sight there ... its germany and not a private person so cost 10 times more and need 10 times longer
“They make a Baustelle out of nowhere”…
…..aaaahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa😂
This result is a bit disheartening...I'm getting my M50 finally next week...starting to have doubts, if it was a good idea to switch from the RS5...I feel a bit cheated esp. with the power throttling
Seems like boost disappeared right before the SoC dropped to 74%. I remember reading something that some cars only allow this kind of boosting above a certain SoC%.
This makes sense, since above 70-80% the lithium batteries tend to have much steeper charge/discharge curves and higher voltages. This (high voltage) could be an effective thing to fight back-EMF in PM motors at high speeds or just let huge amounts of current flow through the motor when allowed by the motor ECU.
Under normal driving speeds, boost will disappear at 12 %.
@@bjornnyland i have just finished the video and seen that boost returned after a slower stretch around 25%. This rendesr my explanation (at least in case of the i40) incorrect.
TLDR: Should have watched the video till the end before commenting
Thanks for the review, Bjorn! High speed runs are important for Europeans so thanks for that.
Thank you for the video, please do it with the S Plaid … that’s the car that desserve a proper high or very high speed run !
Really nice video - as usual! Could you test the upcoming i4 m40 awd (at some point in 2023, when it is available?). I would be really interested in its range and consumption compared to the LR model 3! 😇
you are one of the rare drivers, who drives fast with brain activated. Nice!
Really like these
Autobahn contents mannn.
The fact that high speed has a much bigger impact on energy-consumption of EV’s, will never change in the future, even with new batteries.
The reason is simple.
Drag increases with the square of velocity. If speed doubles, air-drag shows a fourfold increase.
An EV transforms 80% of energy in motion and drag has therefore a big impact on consumption at high speeds.
An ICE car transforms only 20% of energy in motion. The rest is lost as heat.
Even at higher speeds, heat loss remains the leading cause of energy consumption in the ICE car, leading to a much smaller impact of drag.
19:20 119km/h on trhid road on autobahn. disipline is not gut , Even Estonia highway is new part allowed 120km/h on second row.
actually it's called Brötchen. The english word is rooll or bun.
Next test with EQS 53 please...😉
Loveyour work Bjørn!
Such a cool video to watch Bjorn! I think the German freeways should be part of your tests!!! We need to see how the PLAID does there. BMW power train and electronics seem terrible compared to Tesla at high speeds wow!
But the cat itself is way better. Every time I take my Tesla to Germany, the are two major issues: wind noise and brakes.
@@theinsiders4561 totally agree! German craftsman quality is amazing! Realistically though Tesla is still the only car for the roads. The rest of the EVs matching it half way are double to triple the price and the worst is that you pay $150,000-$250,000 and you can only make it to the local store since nobody makes charging networks except Tesla! It blows my mind. I have a friend with a rivian and he is so scared to drive farther that 150 miles haha. He takes his Tesla everywhere due to the awfully unreliable third party charging network. Shame on all of the other manufacturers! I’m buying a Tesla for sure !!!!
@@georgeaudi You could always charge at the Tesla charger if you really need to.
@@alienincontrol not everywhere yet
@@georgeaudi Yes sadly true, here in NL it's an option.
Nice. At higher speeds more energy to move air, so less efficient regardless of power source. EVs could gear for more range and less acceleration. Or overdrive/ second gear? In B mode the whole way? Boost might be limited when battery percent lower.
For unhindered Vmax try the A31 section between Schüttorf and Bunde.🙂
In reality, speeds above 130 km/h are impractical for EV's to have any practical range.
12:25 surely ICE engines are more efficient at high “load/revs” but they will also be much more thirsty at 200km/h than if driving at 120km/h, so you would probably get half the range of a petrol BMW 4 series too…
I think boost is limited by battery temperature. That would make the most sense.
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Best car💖
That power display is annoying. What does 100% mean? We want to see KW like in a Tesla.
finally a proper real world range review. At Europe, mostly it is 130 km /h the speed limit. So this is close to real world. Not the most 110km/h tests.
Bjorn today I have watch one youtube video. Canal name is "Autogefühl". Guy tested Tesla model S plad in autobahn. That test I can't wait from you. Bjorn please we need that hehehe
Super Bjørn 👍👍
That’s frustrating… only 225kmh..sad 😢
150km range is very weak but its espected with those electric cars. When i flat out my dad 530e the battery empties so fast as well. But luckily there is gasoline in reserve :D
I can't wait to hear how Bjørn will scream when he test Tesla Model S Plaid 🤣
In Tesla it would have been so much more noise, you would have to scream to the camera. Great video and great car
A Tesla is so fast that you will be screaming because of the brutal acceleration.
Thanks for video. Very interesting Audi e-tron GT/Porche Tycan at the same test.
"HELGA ICH KOMME" ... i had to laugh so hard 😂
Great video thanks - Bjorn can you or anyone please share which OBD reader and App you are using? I noticed you put up a display showing IX3 / I4 on one of your videos. I have been unsuccessful in getting any OBD readers to work. Thanks Mike
Love videos like this, you could never do this in the UK without people hogging lane 3 at 60 mph.
A B C always be speeding
Def enjoyed it!!! The race with the Merc made me laugh!! Must have been a performance Merc. Would def enjoy EQS video if wifey allows… 😊
Wait, you need an OK from your wife to watch a video?
@@DjTonioRoffo 😝😝. I meant Bjorn’s wife, as on the video, he mentions it “wifey” allows him to do the German 200km/h runs with odd car… 😝😝
Something is odd about the car not maintaining Vmax at supposedly over 50% available power. 50% is 175 kW, that should easily be enough to stay at 225 km/h. My 1999 ICE car does 252 with 191 kW. 252^2/225^2=1.25.