Mishkutenok & Dmitriev (RUS) - 1994 Lillehammer, Figure Skating, Pairs' Free Skate
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- Hamar, NORWAY - 1994 Winter Games, Figure Skating, Pairs' Free Skate - Natalia Mishkutenok and Artur Dmitriev of Russia placed 2nd in the Free Skate to win the Silver Medal here.
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30 years later, and this program STILL is one of my all time favorites!! Their power, grace, speed, and flow across the ice is just mesmerizing.
Me too. I searched for it today.
absolutely!
This one and Savchenko/Massot in 2018 are my all time favorites. I think M&D should have won this one. Two 5.7’s for presentation??? That’s so wrong.
This was a perfect, perfect, PERFECT skate! I will never ever forget this skate in 1994. I was 13 years old. This gave me chills then. This gives me chills now!
I was 13, as well. I remember being transfixed by this entire final flight of skating. M&D were incredible, here. Soooo close with G&G, for me.
STILL SO PERFECT!!!!!
I cried my eyes 👀 out! Still get teary-eyed every time.
27 years and I still get goosebumps. Yes, I understand all the reasons G&G won, but this remains my favorite pairs program of all time. ❤
I really like the G & G program, but now I wonder why M & D did not win gold. G & G were repeating their core elements. This was really innovative. And not misssteps. (Sergej had a small mistake).
I preferred this program over G&G's. This program was just too powerful. It was so passionate and just packed with interesting nuances and dynamic tricks. This program is legendary.
This really highlights what is wrong with the current system from a creativity and fan perspective. They were free here to skate with unmatched passion to the music instead of skating to a rule book. I dont need every move to be a "level 4". This program was unique and difficult and drama galore. I loved it.
Они феноменальны легко движутся скользят кажетьсявот просто в на самом деле они сколько зрителей тхбполюбили ведь непросто так
Программа. У них сложная и технтчьнач
They were great here, and I do believe they were underscored, but I can see why the judges gave the win to G&G. During the throws and lifts, Dmitriev almost halts to a dead stop in contrast to Grinkov who never stops his momentum, that makes what he does look a lot more effortless. M&D aren't always in sync with each other, especially at 4:30, G&G always had perfect timing except for Grinkov singling his double salchow jump. Both pairs had mistakes, but I think what took it over for the judges is that, you knew you were watching a competitive program from M&D, but G&G always gave a performance because they never fail to draw you in and their chemistry was untouchable. Again, this is just my opinion, I think this could've been either pair's win in terms of the technicality, but in terms of just enjoying the performance, G&G has my vote all the way
Actually D&M were in better in unison here than G&G, who were out of sync not only on that jump but on their separate spins. Yet they got one 6.0 on artistry, which should only given to perfect unison. But hey, the sheer fact that we are still debating this almost 30 years later really says something about how incredible both pairs were.
@@annaamericanaccent9184 That’s very true as well. I love the podium finish that year, because all 3 pairs had their unique style, G&G were the most elegant, D&M had better execution on jumps, and B&L had the most daring lifts
Loved G & G and this pair as well. I can't believe it was that long ago. Still 😢to remember his untimely passing in Lake Placid.
Still the best I've ever seen. Just outstanding
He stumbed on their side by side footwork and she two footed the 2A, I think that's what opened the door despite G&G having their own technical errors. And in the LP if there's a tie, higher presentation wins. G&Gs skating skills, polish and overall presentation was better even if M&D were more expressive and exciting to watch for the average viewer.
Wow I never knew that about higher pcs winning if it’s a tie because today it’s higher technical score that wins. I think I prefer it being this way ( tech score winning ) because pcs has always been a little bit washy when it comes to judging and is SO subjective. Like interpretation marks can be different for any judge, I personally enjoyed this more than G&G performance wise because this is more my style but someone else might prefer the romantic and slow feeling of G&G. AT least with the technical score, you can’t really lie
How do you compare their side-by-side triple jumps? G&G didn't do them.
Завораживающее катаниеПластика Наташи поражает.Потрясающие вращения.Супер!
I never noticed Artur’s “costume change” five seconds from the end of the program. He’s showing his heart. I love it. ❤️
Смотрю в 2022. Как же современно и актуально. Великолепные вращения. Программа просто дышит мощностью и харизмой. Рекомендую к просмотру фанам фк из 2022)
The greatest interpretation of Piano Concerto no. 2 there has ever been.
I always notice arms hands and shoulders on russian skaters. Relaxed and no flailing of arms. Gold
100% pure perfection at all these years!!!!
mishkutenok and dmitriev-the best pair of all times.
What was the American judge looking at--this performance was BRILLIANT!! At least 5.8 technical and 5.9 artistry!!
He was looking at her 2-footed double axel (which is a serioud mistake) and his stumble on the footwork, both are clearly evident. Plus, he comes to a dead stop on both throw jumps and they bump into each other on the throw triple twist. Their lifts were also not great. They only had two and only the last rotation of the first one was one-handed, the other one was completely two-handed. They grind into the ice (I mean they are loud!) to get their speed and they don't really extend and stretch out quite like G & G. Yes, they have all these "gumby" postitions that she gets into but that's really it. The rest just seems so laborious compared to G & G and that is why their presentation wasn't nearly as good. To be honest, the only element that was "harder" than G & G's was the sbs triple toe, everyting was either inferior or a wash compared to G & G.
G & G has more difficult lifts, did 3 of them to M & D's two, had technically superior throw jumps (he's not coming to a dead stop to heave her into the air and running ot catch up). Plus, they had a unique entry into the throw 2-axel which made it much more difficult. They had a superior split triple twist, no bumping on the way down. Even though he stumbled on the 2 flip, he still landed it on one foot which is less of an error than 2 footing a jump. Of course you can argue the single salchow is an issue but that to me is negated with Dmeitriev's slip in their footwork.
So the American judge got it correct.
Greatest of all time!!!❤❤❤❤
Thaniks for uploading the old content.
какая красота и мощь! невозможно налюбоваться этой парой! наташины спирали стали легендой! программа чудо!
I'm reading the book now and Katia writes how funny Artur always was. How good friend of Sergei he was also.
the best i ever saw
My all time favorite routine. Seems like I pull it up every four years. Just brilliant.
Скоростььсильная скоростко чьо неговори он творили чудо
They have the best last 10 seconds of any pair program ever. A gold medal winner in my eyes.
Arthur dmitriev is the GOAT of pair skating
I think it was their lifts that did them in, only 2 short lifts and they only briefly went one handed. G&G had 4 and we're one handed almost completely.
Спустя 30 лет, я кричу им -Браво!!!
Хорошая пара, жаль, что без поддержек и подкрута. А так не плохо
Just wow.
Мощнее, красивее Артура не было и нет
Wow!! 👍
They deserved the gold but given silver because of the established hierarchy in figure skating at the time.
They won silver because their technical content was lacking. Yes, their jumps were better than G&G but jumps are not the only technical element. This program had fewer lifts and the lifts were easier. The twist was lower and the death spiral position was not as nice.
A bit Flailing but packed with content. A harbinger of the future.
Hello, I will create a video montage and it will be on youtube. I will compare the olympic program of Gordeeva/Grinkov and Mishkutenok/Dmitriev. May I use your video for my video montage ? Thanks in advance for your response
Her flexibility is amazing!
2:45 to 3:13 has to be the inspiration for Eric Carmen's "All By Myself".
ellos merecian el oro...oro... oro.... oro... oro
Класс
That was beautiful. Russia has so many excllent skaters. Unbelievable. Also so many excellent composers - Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff etc...I would argue that they were better than G&G,
How did they lose HOW
Can’t go wrong with Rachmaninoff ! ❤
Amazing program from the best pairs skaters I have ever seen. Such a shame that such a beautiful sport has been tarnished by suspect judging. The fact is the judges had already decided who was going to get the gold before the competition even began. This should have won hands down.
...поледний элемент балета от Артура...суупеер
Now I understand why they call the 1994 Olympics the Games where they got all the figure skating gold medals wrong. I used to think just Nancy Kerrigan got robbed by Oksana Baiul two-footing and wobbling her way through her LP with no combination until she tacked on a sloppy double toe to another jump ten seconds before her program was over. Now, I can say after 27 years, even as an avid G&G fan, that M&D were robbed. Regardless of "preference" for style, M&D were perfect that night; G&G weren't with two jump errors from Sergei. These scores are a joke as much as G&G getting nearly all 5.9's for technical merit. How awful for M&D....and the sport.
They were robbed of the gold IMO.
Я читала в интернете Что они лучше катались чем Г и Г.Там еще было написано , чтро судьям понравилась улыбка Е. Гордеевой поэтому их и протащили на 1 место.
Ты Ты про про Артура про Артура пишут нелестные Зачем так делать Он вообще брат муж парень или чем-то должен
Программа сложная по технике, исполнение не идеальное!
I think that Mishtunekove and Dmitrieve were a little bit better than Gordeeva and Gringkov ( as much as I love G&G).
Мне кажется их засудили.
Saw this again for the millionth time and am still captivated. I can watch their move leading to the ending position over and over again. It was so emotional and perfectly in sync with the music and with each other. #goosebumps
Arvin Reuben щ
This program was absolutely flawless and beautifully skated. So technically difficult and powerful yet artistically superb.. I love Natalia and Artur. . They are my favorite pair skaters of all time along with Katia and Sergei. But I remember watching them in these Olympics. They were definitely undermarked here. Their scores should have been much higher.
Просто американцы любили Гордееву и Гринькова, и никуда от этого не уйти. Увы, при той системе судейства субьективность играла очень важную роль.
5.6 за технику, даже дилетанту понятно, что этой оценки быть не может!!!!!
Totally seamless. Flawless, artistic, you never knew it was a skating performance. It was art.
Natalia Mishkutenok's flexibility and ballet training on display was excellent. M/D got my vote!
INCREDIBLE, legendary peformance!!
The first place for me!!!! Just unbelievable!!!
My favorite Pairs competition program ever!! I love their music, their choreography...just love them!!
I don't know who their choreographer was, but she/he certainly did a fabulous jobs with these two programs. The choreography always fit the music perfectly. This is truly one of the most unforgettable Olympic pairs programs in history.
they were so on point with the music. the skating was almost secondary. beautiful expression and interpretation.
One of the most mind-blowing, incredible programs I’ve ever seen! This program and music are two very big reasons why I fell in love with figure skating @ age 10!
My absolute favorite pairs team of all time. Watching the Olympics this year, I can only feel depressed that no one can hold a candle to these two, or to Gordieva and Grinkov. Those were magic moments. The drama, the passion of Mishkutenok and Dmitriev has not been equaled.
Wonderful performance and lovely routine! Love the great Russian school, this pair deserved the gold medal here in my opinion
I love, love, love this program! I agree: They deserved the gold. Artur is so handsome and Natalia is adorable. They're both so incredible!!
I think M and D should have won gold. They were awesome.
My all time favorite performance after all these years.
Mine too
I still cant get over the fact that this wasn't awarded the gold medal. And of all the skates I've seen, this one has the best end I've seen.
Amen! G&G as great as they were, HAD mistakes! The judges awarded by reputation, NOT who skated the best! This same thing happened at the Worlds in 1990-G&G had a flawed performance and yet still won.
What’s also interesting, Arvin is that this program more closely meets the new judging system. The choreography is more intricate than G&G’s program. The shapes they created were stunning.
Dry. Anybody can clown around.
Its horrible they are dreadful
@@reneemckinney8993 absolutely agree, the winners were already decided before the competition. Just listen to the biased commentary! All praising G&at and acting as if they are an Eiffel Tower above the rest. I do love G&G but their love story that was put on display for the whole world is what helped them win this
this is the gold medal winning performance
Yes, it was. I believe that G&G were the sentimental favorites to win. The commentators talked about the perfection of Sergei and Katia (although their short program did have that spin error); but overall their routines tended to put me to sleep, so to speak.
I agree, they should have won
@@bophreyhumgart2953 I definitely thing G&G we’re incredible skaters but I think them having that love story helped them a lot. I keep wondering if they had never fallen in love and if it had never become so public, would some results and the attention and love they got from everyone be different? It’s so easy for the judges to get behind someone who has a story coming into the competition, we even see this today in figure skating. Definitely not taking away from their amazing achievements and incredible skating because they were a top team even before the whole love thing, but every time people mentioned them after they got married, it was always about them being in love and THEN about their skating. I have a feeling that in some competitions, they were the judges sentimental favourites
i have skated and watched skating since I was very little and this is the only performance I remember from the countless performances I have watched. it was very remarkable even from a young age. I asked my mother to play this music for me on her violin and she did.
Breathtaking!!!! Dimitriev always put on a fantastic show and this one was for the books!! Face it! The Russians are the masters in this. I have never seen better. How long must it have taken to make this kind of perfection? The US giving a low score was pure chickenschitte!!! I will watch this many times...............
It's still breathtaking.
This pair was so incredibly innovative with their skating. No doubt they were robbed of the gold medal. The Grinkovs won simply on past laurels and reputation. The gold medal was pretty much decided when they announced their return
Not to take away from G&G but I think you’re right. After they got married it was all about them being in love and the judges ( even in today’s figure skating ) love nothing more than a good story to get behind. Just like at the 2002 Olympics with the Chinese pair who came in second. She fell very hard on a throw quad and had to stop in the middle of the program and came back on the ice. Of course I applaud her so much for doing that, it was such a brave move, but the judges went crazy on their marks even though the rest of the program was skated not to their maximum and their PCs was not really effected even though she literally stopped in middle of her program which is an interruption which should effect pcs. As long as you come in with a story or reputation the judges will never let you down
Nope..... the judges got it right. G & G's performance was top-notch and so beautiful to watch. Scott H. made some great points after G&G preformed. Big difference in the way the programs were skated.
I remember seeing this as a kid and 1) falling in love with Rach 2nd piano concerto 2) realizing that figure skating was basically a sham of a sport. This was one of the most unfair decisions in skating, seeing them walk away with silver instead of gold.
I still think they should have one the gold. After all these years, this is the one pairs performance I still remember and still have the desire to watch now and then, just an amazing performance and flawless. Had a great impact.
I've wavered on this one for 18 years now. Artur did skate w/ "reckless abandon," and I live life that way, which is one reason I loved M&D. At the time I felt they had the gold medal by a narrow margin. Someone made a laborious YT video showing both FSs side-by-side, concluding G&G won it fair and square, and for a long while I was convinced. When I said so, I was massively spammed! First time ever. Now I appreciate both skates, watch them occasionally, but always come back to this one.
I'm in awe.... This was incroyable..... I still can't close my mouth.... Woooooooow!
All of the figure skating Silver medalists during this Olympics game should have one gold!
I couldn't agree more ...Nancy certainly got robbed.
I love that almost 20 years later that we are all talking about it.
After watching both top two performances, I have to say that M/D deserved to win here. They did harder elements with flawless execution. Also with more intricate artistry. In other words, a Moskvina mssterpiece. G/G were great, but had errors and a more simplistic program.
M&D's performance looks harder because of what some people call the "circus" elements between the actual elements. While I wouldn't classify it quite like that, the truth is that G&G had the more difficult program. Their lifts were more difficult, the entries into the throw jumps were harder and they did the more difficult death spiral.
As for flawless, M/D's errors were perhaps less visible to the audience than G&G's but they were more serious:
G&G had 2 errors: Sergei's wobble on the exit from his double flip, and he singled a double Salchow. That's it.
Compare that to M/D: She double-footed the double axel, which is less visible to the audience than Sergei's wobble but more serious in terms of judging criteria. On the triple twist they don't get the same height as G&G and she bumps into him. On the throw jump he stops, throws her and then runs to catch up.On the 2 lifts (compared to G&G's 3) there aren't errors but he only lets go on the 3rd rotation in the first lift and she holds onto him the entire 2nd lift - compared to G&G's fully one-handed lifts that are far more difficult.
G&G make it look so easy but their overall program was both harder and cleaner. That's why they - deservedly - won the gold.
@@dafnabreines301 no. The elements here are harder and they did them flawlessly. Its not understandable how they lost.
@@lb4585 M/D's elements weren't harder: Not their lifts, not their death spirals, and they had overall less elements. And they weren't flawless - a 2-footed landing is, in terms of judging criteria, much more serious than a wobble, even if the latter is more visible to the audience. M/D's form is also not flawless - the stop on the throw triple twist, their entry into the death spiral (her leg is bent and her backside is sticking out), for example. Their overall footwork is also less complicated.
M/D's performance had a lot of wild elements in the fillers which is why it was so popular with the audience. The judges, though are looking at the actual skating technique.
I'm not saying their performance wasn't outstanding; it was. I'm just saying that it's not beyond understanding why G&G took the gold.
5.6 5.7????? Laughable!!
super! super!
Greatest pair skate of all time.
The US judge always gave them the lowest marks! It's so obvious! They were amazing.
libertango They were low-balled on their scores for sure. This program was skated flawlessly.
G&G were the favourites of the Americans especially since they have everyone the love story they wanted. All the American news and streaming channels talked about was G&G being in love and that type of story and reputation can certainly help
I see the tech. merits, their statement, their hunger.... All I am left with in the end is an over-complicated, all over the place program, with very little, if any, grace. By the end of it they were mentally and physically exhausted and it harmed them; less is more. I wish I could see this kind of technique and dedication from current skating athletes...ah.....
I was rooting for Mishkutenok and Dmitiriev so hard, especially after their troubles with the lift leading up to the short program, and how they where they were just about flawless when it counted, and of course Dmitriev's relief afterwards. Like Hamilton said, hands down the greatest pairs free skate competition ever, just wish M&D would have won. Who could have foreseen Grinkov's death just a year later though. So sad.
Someone suggested Natalia's double axel was two footed but no , it was nice and clean and fast. It was wonderful; too bad despite a bobble G and G are magical and while this was clean the lifts were not as strong as G and G. Definitely had harder jumps both throw and individual but the twist and all the lifts favored G and G. G and G also had better skating skills. But artistically who do you choose? What a wonderful choice. Both teams deserved gold.
I think MD were too dramatic and less musical here. If they would skate in terms of presentation like they skated at the Commonwealth later that year it would be much closer to GG, and maybe even the Gold
No doubt M/D was innovative and strong skilled technically but their artistic for me was all over the place. Their fluidity was choppy and not much connection. I know the bobble on G&G was significant but overall it was top notch. Both were great! But, for me G&G was it. It was the battle of the comebacks!
@@RoroFin27 This particular skate was "all over the place") Just check how they did it at the goodwill games later that year: technically weaker but artistically - right on point.
@@bjl301
seems pairs or singles can skate their great before the Olympics and vice versa. Very few will do great skate before and during “skate” their best. I get it Olympics will steal the steels of nerves. Artistic long program goes to G&G
And Technically it goes to M/D
@@bjl301 Yes their Goodwill Games skate was much better overall despite the doubled throw salchow. Had they done that skate with a throw triple salchow like here, they could have won.
Amazing and beautiful.
magnificent. i think that's their best skate ever.
The US and Australian judges must've been on crack with the lousy scores they gave...
Three magic letters: IMG.
Agreed. I wonder if it had something to do with them wanting G&G or even B&E to have a better crack, since M&D had just won 2 years ago.
I loved Natalia. I thought she was the most beautiful skater. I see some people say she seemed robotic, she was shy, extremely shy according to Katia in My Sergi. She I think brought beauty to this pair. Artur was passion and she complimented him. I read something once that said Artur did not think of her as beautiful as the other Russian girls but I disagree. He had the most beautiful and best partner. I don't watch much pairs skating anymore bc to me no pair will ever be this good.
Robotic? Wow, that's a word I would never use to describe Natalia. She had a very reserved quality in terms of her expression but that's a far cry from robotic IMO. It's amazing how people can see things so differently from one another.
Wow, I guess I'll be the odd one out in this comment section. I disagree that M&D were artistically superior to G&G. I didn't like this choreography at all, G&G had better looking positions, and weren't scraping their blades across the ice. I always figured the judges had the same opinion as I do - that M&D's program was technically superior but G&G were, by far, artistically superior. It has really baffled me to see how many people love this program.
Agreed. Just one point - G&G's program was also technically superior in that, overall, it was more difficult and their skating was faster and technically cleaner.
You watch pairs skating from this era and before and you notice there is a great deal of creativity and chemistry that has been lost since we had the COP system in place.
oh Artur. I swoon !
I remember watching this live, and being madly in love with this pair after watching this. G&G were sort of like the perfect looking, boring popular kids in high school that everyone liked, but M&D were like the free spirited, avant-garde cool kids that everyone respected.
That's a very good explanation ....lol.
this was the gold-medal winning performance!!!!!!!!!!
Greatest.Pairs.Skaters.Ever!!...
Amazing. Should have won gold outright. They took that music and made it their own and created a masterpiece. Who would have thought that they could ever do a program as good the Dream of Love? But they did--something of a completely different tone--but still with their trademark passion and authority. That is one of the best pairs performances of all time, IMHO.
Artur Dmitriev was such a stud
loved this, thought they shoulda won.... the energy at the end of the program... the crowd was with them
Her double axel was 2 footed
who cares?! this was riveting!
They deserved the silver medal 100%
These are the Olympic champions
As much as I still think they should have won, I see why the judges gave it to Katia and Sergei. There's not much to separate them, but Katia and Sergei had more/more difficult lifts, a more difficult side-by-side spin, more consistent speed throughout. Still, their program didn't have the impact this one had. I still remember seeing this when I was a little kid. The memory isn't as strong for G & G's program, which while very beautiful, was exactly what you'd expect from them. I dunno. I just feel this program was so special in a way very few are.
ok but M & D had more difficult throws and more difficult side by sides ( G&G could never do the triples)
Yes, but I think that evens everything out. Katia and Sergei had better lifts (everything with one hand, too) and better spins, while Natalia and Artur had one more difficult throw and a harder individual jump. I think the case can be made that the technical content was about equal, but G&G always had more speed and explosiveness to their tricks. I think the results may have been closer if they'd skated in the opposite order, but who knows.
well g/g skated first in the s/p and still ended up being on top after the s/p. so that common misperception that skaters are being held back because they skated first doesn't hold water.
That's true but I thought it was clear G& G were better in the short. Each element they did was more precise and was done with more speed than M&D. I would have put them first regardless of the skating order. That performance wasn't being beat that night. Even still, in the short, G&G got 5.6 to 5.9. There was room there--albeit very slim--for M&D to pass them, especially on the technical side. But the long program was different. I felt M&D were better and didn't quite max out on their marks because the leaders were about to skate next. I think it would have been very difficult for any judge to give M&D marks that G&G couldn't possibly beat.