Global Cycling Network I just use my road bike/Mountainbike with a dynamo in the middle of the wheel and I have the light in all the time because the dynamo is producing electricity all the time when driving si I can just use the light for a small bit of extra safety
I use daytime running lights on every ride. I get comments from other road users pretty regularly about how visible I am, which makes me feel a lot safer on the road. I’ve also seen cars give me a lot of space, and then pass very close to other cyclists who weren’t using any lights. I fully believe that my lights help keep me safer on every ride.
I commute regularly by bike both day and night, and visibility is the most important part of the ride in my opinion. I have two headlights (one narrow+bright and one wide+dim) and two taillights mouned to my bike, plus a very excessive amount of reflective tape. I also have a taillight on my high visibility vest, and a fluorescent yellow backpack cover. This all works incredibly well to keep you safe on the roads, but some drivers seem almost more inclined to drive closely to you and cut you off. They're generally the ones that are well known in local groups though, repeat offenders. If you're curious about my light+tape setup, I'd be happy to upload some images.
I agree about passing distance - it's more noticeable when I'm commuting (as the road is busier), but I get a really good passing distance when I'm using lights. I think the intensity of the light makes me seem larger than I actually am, so the driver passes wider. I don't use them in the summer though, and get regular close passes. Perhaps I should take heed of my own evidence....
z.browning, I have also been using daylight running lights (1st generation Bontrager Ion and Flare RT), I agree totally with you accessment that cars give cyclsit with lights a lot more space!
I work in emergency management and have been racing in cycling and bike commuting for over 30 years. The difference between a collision or non-collision in my opinion is seconds or tenths of seconds more time available to be seen by motorists, pedestrians or other cyclists. Daytime running lights can help give you that extra visibility advantage in marbled shade, in busy backgrounds or when a motorist only briefly glances left and right. Collisions can have many variables but if you can improve your visibility to all other road users, you are reducing one of major risks. Do I use lights in daytime? Yes. Why not. And you don't need the fanciest, sorry Bontrager. Most quality lights have disruptive flash patterns and are newer lights are USB-cable recharging so you can easily recharge them without having to remove AAA batteries and trying to find your battery charger that your swore was in the middle drawer in your kitchen. You have the opportunity to reduce your risks. Why not seize the opportunity?
I have been using daytime running lights (the older version of the Bontrager lights in this video in fact) for the past year and I must say that it has made me feel tremendously safer and more confident when riding long distances. I feel so much more visible, cars definitely notice me from much further away and those cars also give me more space when they pass. Daytime running lights are a definite game changer and I recommend them to everybody.
@@Lasermanprint Indeed it does. My fluorescent bike apparel might make look a bit silly, but it's better to look silly and be seen than to look cool and risk being dead or injured.
I've been using a rear flashing light for a few years. Added a front flashing light last year after a driver exiting a lot looked right at me then pulled out in front of me. He realized what he had done upon hearing my reaction, stopped and apologized, and indicated that he hadn't noticed me. Anything to increase visibility is to the good, which is why I also wear fluorescent sun sleeves and socks as well.
I have lights and I never used them during the day. You have changed my mind on this. I'm sold. From now on I'm using them during the day. Thanks! Great video!
1:15 notice that? A little wave just to acknowledge a fellow cyclist. I’m fed up waving to cyclist and not even getting a simple nod. We all do the same sport!
I always have lights on, day and night. Flashing rear light always. Headlight; steady at night (so I can see,) flashing in the daytime so I can be seen.
great video. definitely sharing it on fb with my clubs. I am an advocate for lights all the time. I run on my bikes cygolite dash 460 in the front and see.sense on the back, I also try to wear colorful kits so its easier to spot me while cycling! great content guys!
Physiologist here. Human visual systems are especially cued into features that change. Presumably they are more relevant for survival. More input into the superior coliculus and not just into the lateral geniculate nucleus for those of especially bio-geeky mindset. The flashes ensure that. I always ride with them when riding alone. Of course it would make you more visible to giant predatory flying dinosaurs. Fortunately that's not a problem where I live. Joking aside it is the flashing that matters and really small cheap lights are quite sufficient.
Human Factors psychologist here: While it is important that during daytime hours, flashing lights increase visibility, one should educate people about the downsights and issues during the night, e.g. decreased ability to perceive distance compared to a steady light source. One further factor which should be researched is how sensibility towards cyclist which don’t use flashing light decreases once people get used towards flashing lights.
When I'm riding on the roads I've always used my trusty Niterider headlight in flash mode and it has noticeably caught the attention of drivers approaching intersections from a cross street. They all pause when they see me. So I totally agree with all findings... and now want to check out these lights too! Great video, thanks.
I’ve used daytime running lights ever since I got knocked off almost 4 years ago. To me as a motorist as well as a cyclist seeing a flashing light attracts you attention.
I am kitting out my recumbent trike and will definately be using daylight running lights. Just bought 2 Bontragers for front to accompany the Moon I already have. Thanks for the insight very useful
Glad to see a video on this. I am a huge proponent for flashing lights in the daytime. Good to see some science behind it, and even the best type of flashes and such. Well done guys!
I avoid riding at night and use DRLs always during the day. Car drivers in the US are too often looking at thier cell phones rather than the road. Anything to attract attention!
@ Ben Jones. I actually prefer riding at night because I can see the lights of an approaching car behind me, I then move as far over as is safe. I’ve had more close calls in the day light than night. I use DRL’s 50% of the time depending on the opportunity to recharge. I’ve always got a AAA powered flasher on the back of my helmet just Incase my main light dies. At night I run both.
I love the idea of light on bikes at all times. I'm also glad that rechargeable lights are now commonplace and the most popular option. However, it is annoying that the batteries usually die within 6-8 hours of use. My biggest challenge is making sure I actually remember to charge all my devices. Just inside my back door I've set up a charging station with 3 micro USB plugs to charge my GPS unit, front light, and rear light/camera. I still don't always remember to plug everything in. The next step in safety is making sure it become a natural processes for users to implement it every time.
Would be good have an internal cabling just for powering (dynamo or battery) and charging all gear (light, bike computer and DI2) from one place. These Bontrager lights are really nice, but I miss a better connector that can be used for permanent cabling.
So I've always wondered about cyclists vanity and the "I'm a wus if I use a light during the day" attitude. For gods sake... car manufacturers make cars that have lights on AUTOMATICALLY when the car is running! Why? BECAUSE IT'S SAFER! Why anyone on a puny little bike would take a chance of NOT being seen by a driver who say... is drunk, or tired, or on meds, or in a hurry, or on the phone, or talking to a passanger, or scratching their balls, or if just plain f'ing blind .... is beyond me. WAKE UP KUNCKLEHEADS! Use a light at all times. It's safer. Btw... I use them all the time in case you were wondering.
I totally agree with you. I didn't understand the vanity nonsense either. I want to be seen on the lanes of the road so if lights help drivers then I'm using them all day everyday. Being hit by a car is not nice!
Super important topic, thanks GCN folks. I've been thinking about adding bike lights, day or night, after few fellow cyclists got into nasty incidents. Noticed more and more riders are using lights recently, nothing bad in my opinion, just get yourself more visible. Side note, same or similar lights on a tri/TT bike should be no problem?
I've also been using daytime lights. Have been ever since I started cycling on the road again. Recently got new Trek bikes for wife and I and I was sure to outfit both with these lights!! I feel better knowing we can be seen in all conditions.
These lights are hell mush better than reflex! I must bye these and thanks Emma and Chris for enjoying safety video! GCN not only bike riding they save lives to!
I've used flashing (pulsing) lights with an irregular pattern during the daytime front and back for several years. Many times I see recognition in a driver's face that they see me - and I'm sure the lights contributed to them recognizing my approach. I also find the lights to be helpful when I my path falls under the shade of roadside trees or I ride through tunnels or underpasses in relative darkness. Drivers would not be able to see me in the relatively dark conditions otherwise. Note, I've heard the Clemson study determined "pulsing" lights are better than "flashing" lights, but have not seen a universally accepted definition of pulse vs. flash.
Since I was hit from behind during daytime, I seriously considered mounting a flashing red light on my motorcycle. I am sure it will help to make me more visible and attract the attention of motorist coming from behind. I am constantly trying to make myself as seen as possible - but people are so ignorant of cyclist and motorbikes...sad but true. I like you video very much!! Thanks you for making it.
Absolutely, every time. I have the Bontrager Flare R, the bigger unit which is great - will look at getting one of those little Ion 200s for summer in NZ when I pack away my bigger front light. Like the connection with the Wahoo, that's useful.
A Great video. I use my lights during the day as well as at night as it helps in so many situations. Drivers notice me and change their behaviour (I've even had 2 that started pulling out in front of me, but when the corner of their eye caught the light they stopped) and other people using the cycle path (I use the one in this video the twins tunnels path) who are walking and in a world of their own, tend to wake up when the light reflects of something in front of them which is better for them and better for me.
Not at all surprising to me. Flashing lights are disorientating and also very, very annoying both to meet and to follow. Solid lights or nothing at all.
Me too. I feel a lot safer being told of when cars are approaching from behind, before I can hear them. And less looking behind me means I can focus on the road ahead. Win-win. The only small caveat I've found is that cars that stalk you at the same speed as the bike don't show up.
What bike path did you use? Also is there any movement to allow bike to have blinking light. I live in a country that does not allow blinking lights. Also seeing the bike and recognizing there is a bike is a big difference. Lights greatly help this
Won't ride without lights. Been using Bontrager Flair R for years. Bright, exceptional battery life, recharges quickly. Also use Lezyne 1100XL macro drive (front) and Lezyne 180 micro drive (rear) lights when doing rides longer than 4 hours duration so I can switch from the first pair when they run low on power to a fresh pair of light. That means I've visible for up to 8 hours which covers most century rides for me. USB rechargeable lights are the only way to go.
My subjective opinion as a driver is that high vis clothing with reflective bits is more noticeable on cyclists than lights on their bikes or person, and I have been told that orange is the best colour to wear as it is the most unusual and disruptive in the environment. Unless I have missed this somewhere, would be interested to see some GCN analysis on the value of high vis. Ta!
Hi Deborah, yes I think you are right. Following up on the statement that moving lights on a knee or ankle is 5+ times more visible. Surely high vis bands on a knee or ankle would have a similar effect, especially at night? I think the research regarding orange came from POC, the helmet and cycle/ski wear manufacturer. Ride on! Tim
It's all about contrast. Consider the area you are riding in. Orange usually contrasts to pretty much any backdrop, whether it's a green forest, a blue or gray sky, or a concrete jungle. Green, and to a lesser degree yellow, tend to blend into green backgrounds more, which often line the sides of the road we ride on. A very bright orange or very bright pink are going to stand out in the most scenarios.
Local Trek dealer HIGHLY SUGGESTED I get the Flair R as a rear light, or something similar, right away. He saw me riding the recumbent trike in the daytime and said I need to be more noticeable. Bought the Flare R, then later the Ion R up front for the daytime running light modes. These are THE BEST attention getters. Not seen any other company provide a daytime running strobe like Bontrager, and it's the randomized pattern and that extra boost on the main flash that grabs attention. Other companies give a cheap strobe that does not grab attention as much as it annoys drivers. Almost tried a Lezyne version as thought perhaps the Germans got it, but I have not tried theirs. Was not as well impressed. I use the older Bontrager Flairs, in fact have two rear Flair R's. Although they do not adjust light intensity or anything, so I may have to bit the bullet and upgrade to RTs.
I us the bontrager ion pro rt, two on the front, two on the rear. Sometimes I spend over 8hrs in the saddle, so with two I always got light, and if I want to run fast through the trails at night...I got two up front. Love em.
Great video topic and great video. I don’t go anywhere without lights on my bike, no matter the time of day. In fact I have a day set and a night set, which are a mix of knog and Bontrager. Love they are all USB rechargeable easily attached and have multiple flash modes. The only other thing I would have added about lights is that there are helmets now that easily accept small lights, and this keeps me seen from a higher level and above the height of most car roofs. There are a lot of distractions for drivers these days, and all of my close calls were from drivers not paying attention or being distracted (smartphone, map), or an oncoming driver not seeing me among the background when turning at an intersection. Lights hitting their mirrors from behind (parked cars included.) can help as well. Stay safe out there riders. I really recommend the Bontrager lights, and while they were pricey, I consider them a form of insurance and wouldn’t buy anything except knog and Bontrager these days.
Well I always use a flashing rear light ( coincidently a Bontrager) ; then as conditions start to get duller and / overcast like going into winter I use a front light. Add with this for winter riding I have a set of full fingered gloves which are a flouro yellow colour.
It’s really made me consider looking into these lights. Also, I’m a psychology student who’s interested in doing research, and I realized that this subject would much likely one that would be worth looking into in my future career.
Only on christmas eve! On all other occasions such behaviour will be persecuted by the holy inquisition as heresy. Of course. And you knew it before posting your comment.
Yes all the time I am on the road day and night. Having a very bright on the front have made pedestrians and drivers look at me and gets their attention. I also have two red flashing lights, one set low left side near the axle and one just above my rear brakes on my Cevelo soloist. I feel it’s made a difference for me after years of riding without them!
Either the Trek website or with any Trek Local Bike Store. The lights in this video were only released in July so might be a few weeks before they are widely available
Hi guys! Following a great review of the Bontrager Flare, I’ve been using one mounted to my seat post as a daytime running light for a couple of months. It’s bright, decent battery life and best of all it’s “light”.. a light light.. adds a little bit more confidence when training or on a commute.. 😁
I started using a daytime back light a year ago and right away noticed vehicles giving me more space when they passed me. I don’t know if it was because they saw me sooner or I gained more respect.
I run a Bontrager flare r for a rear light and alternate between a Bontrager ion 350 r or 800 r for daytime running lights while commuting or recreational riding. I am a firm believer in daytime running lights in that they earn you more respect and visibility on the road. Keep in mind that not all lights serve the purpose of being good daytime lights. The flare r and the new flare rt are designed around daytime visibility and are noticeably better in the day than others. In this “game” I think it is critical to try to put the odds in your favour as much as possible and daytime lights are something that helps your odds.
I'm all for daytime lights. I currently use the first gen Flare R and Ion 800 and absolutely love them. I like to call them "car repellant" as as soon as you turn both on where I live in Montreal, drivers instantly give you space and that goes for the trucks and busses too. I also do the Bio-Motion thing where I use brightly coloured socks so help drivers see me.
I use the Exposure Flares (F&R) with the day bright setting and motorists seem more likely to slow up and give me a little bit extra room when approaching and passing... which is nice
I use the Cygolite 150 and I've had motorists pull up beside me and astonishingly ask, "What kind of light is that???" - I'd say it's pretty visible and at a significantly lower cost than the Bontrager.
As a Dutchie, grown up the country with the most bike-paths in the world, i couldn't really be bothered to have lights on my bike. When out riding on my road bike in Holland i have never used bike lights. 3 years ago i moved to Australia and now i never go out riding without lights on my bike; i genuinely feel unsafe without lights. Night or day. Really nice video !! One thing; Although Holland has lots more bike paths than Australia, the main reason why i feel unsafe is that Australian drivers have absolutely no respect for cyclists. The road rage is of a unbelievable and unimaginable level. there is no "sharing the road". The lack of respect is my main reason for feeling unsafe and im not convinced you can solve that with a bike light. (Yes, im a big fan of using bike lights )
Personally if I were you I would've stayed in Holland / the Netherlands. I was born in this shit hole called the USA in the most populous city (considered to be the most 'bike friendly' in the country of all of the big / capital cities, which is a joke) and if I had the proper resources and the proper situation I'd move and denounce and remove my US naturalized citizenship. Cyclists here are openly or subconsciously discriminated against by the cops, peds, and motorists. God forbid you're a person of color and you drive a bike, the effect compounds racism on top of that. That's not to mention all of the everyday American non-cycling / non-race related bullshit like the politics, lack of proper healthcare, lack of proper education, lack of non-for profit rehabilitation centers / prisons, police, lack of fucking common sense, etc. But while I'm here, I run lights and run a GoPro day and night whenever I go drive my bicycle (or any kind of vehicle) anywhere. Appears to help but nothing short of WatchDogs enforcement will stop peds, cyclists, or motorists that refuse to be decent by any definition of the word.
Where do you live? Here in NYC no one complains about my daytime running lights and instead do what they were designed to do -- give me a chance at being noticeable instead of 200% invisible. The local CitiBikes using all day and night running dynamo powered lights might have something to do with it being acceptable though. However even if it weren't acceptable I wouldn't give a fuck. I run with a 'car horn' on all of my bikes as well which has helped me plenty over a bell and I'll perform whatever maneuvers necessary (that non-cyclists don't understand at all) to keep myself safe. P.S: A bell I use only for 'polite overtakes / passes' of peds and other cyclists which are visibly NOT wearing any audio device over / in the ears, which has become uncommon if not rare, which forces me to use the horn if they put themselves in a situation / obstacle that makes it dangerous / risky for me.
On the road? Absolutely! … along with bright clothing and some "distance wobble" (see a vehicle well back in your rear view add a bit of movement to your line)
I now use lights all year. The main reason for using them on sunny days Is really for when I’m riding through shaded or dappled light areas where a motorist eyes may need time to adjust to the change in light conditions.
It is disappointing to see GCN release a video recommending the use of daytime running lights without simultaneously discussing the etiquette of using such lights on group rides. Perhaps another video could be devoted to this? While they used to be fairly rare, daytime flashing lights have become prevalent on many group rides, at least here in the US. While these lights may reduce accident rates by 20% for solo cyclists, safety enhancements are quickly lost with many lights on group rides. First, a paceline of cyclists is already much more visible than a single cyclist. Second, of all the lights that might be in the line, only the one at the rear is consistently visible to approaching motorists. All the rest are flashing in the faces of riders who have more important demands on their attention and peripheral vision. Many of these lights are mounted incorrectly or even positioned on seatstays so that those lumens which are designed to be seen a kilometer away are now scorching retinas and inducing seizures at the scant remove of three feet. Please, GCN, do a companion video on turning off daytime flashers to keep group rides from turning into rolling video arcades. At the very least, you could suggest that anyone who feels compelled to use their daytime flashers remain at the back of the group so their light is visible to motorists.
If I am on a fast group ride with people using flashing lights, I either try to never ride behind them, hard in a pace line, or just go off and ride alone. If a driver doesn't react to ten riders on the road, chances are pretty good that they won't react to the light either.
I don't agree with most of what you're saying, except for the aiming from the seat stay. If the light is a good focused like these Bontrager's, and it's mounted correctly to face back at 90deg. then it should be okay. When I see lights in that condition it's not been a bother at all. Yes I see them but they're not flashing in my eye.
I am surprised you aren't distracted by lights that command attention a quarter of a mile away when those lights are only 3 feet away, either in your direct line of sight, or in your peripheral vision.
As I said before, when they're aimed right and focused well like the Flare R, it's not a big issue. I ride in groups of 10 or more all with lights going and while I know they're there, it's not become a distraction. Part of it of course is most ppl are too cheap to buy a decent light so they're barely visible to begin with.
I'm currently on the lookout for a good front light to attach to my aero bar. I use this bike for commuting so it should really do it's job well and - as I said - tightly fit onto my flat aero bars. Any recommendations?
I was at a club TT yesterday and I was impressed by how noticeable daytime lights were. They make sense when riding solo but perhaps no so suitable for group rides. But you would hope to be visible in other ways in that situation.
I've been cycling for more than 30 years and in this time I have always kitted my bikes with the latest technology available (going back to the original Cat Eye with 6v globe and 2xC Batteries) in head lights and tail lights unless I'm racing. If one is a road user then it is a no brainier to set yourself up to the nearest standards of a motor vehicle. Safety first, looks second. Every time I buy a new bike it gets setup at the same time with head lights and taillights. I also find if you tuck a rear flashing light in behind the drops (U-Bend) "behind the brake levers" it increases your width from behind and you then have double rear flashing lights. Just be aware you cannot use that brake lever to easily in the low down drop position. So left side paving (GB) then right side of handle bars, and ride side paving (FR) left side of handle bars.
I disagree! I find it very confusing when cyclist run multiple lights front and rear. Not only can I NOT identify what I’m seeing but I also find it difficult to rangefind / judge distance to target. One or two rear max. One good light front.
I’m just worried that NOT having a DTRL will just become another excuse that drivers will use when they hit someone. Also these things are DAMNED annoying on bike trails. My eyes!!! Also the make hard to see other cyclists on bike trails, particularly in the shade.
Ever since I read about the research, a couple of years ago, I've run rear lights, day or night, without fail. Have been running daytime lights for over a year now too. I work in the Australian mining industry, and all vehicles are lit up like Christmas trees, for a very good reason, visibility.
Always have lights on my bike. Flashing when possible. No accidents so far in a couple of thousand miles mostly commuting around a city. But of course it's all part of an arsenal of bright clothing, bells, and riding safe.
always use lights on my rides , front is a lezyne 500 xl and a bonrager back light , use flashing mode with both , as a rulr my rides can be 1 hour to 11 hours on long ones , both stand up to the time used , with the lezyne what i like is there is a flashing mode that is like a strobe which i use in heavy traffic through towns or cities it gets the attention of drivers ,do not like to be without them, for weight couple extra grams does not make that much of a difference , safety first
Do you use lights during the day? Let us know 👇
I use my lights in strobe setting during the day if i'm going to be on the roadway. It really just make sense.
Strobe during day strobe front and rear.
No, easier to have bright color clothes on etc :)
Yes.SOS
Global Cycling Network I just use my road bike/Mountainbike with a dynamo in the middle of the wheel and I have the light in all the time because the dynamo is producing electricity all the time when driving si I can just use the light for a small bit of extra safety
I use daytime running lights on every ride. I get comments from other road users pretty regularly about how visible I am, which makes me feel a lot safer on the road. I’ve also seen cars give me a lot of space, and then pass very close to other cyclists who weren’t using any lights. I fully believe that my lights help keep me safer on every ride.
That's cool, safety is SO important. 👍
I commute regularly by bike both day and night, and visibility is the most important part of the ride in my opinion. I have two headlights (one narrow+bright and one wide+dim) and two taillights mouned to my bike, plus a very excessive amount of reflective tape. I also have a taillight on my high visibility vest, and a fluorescent yellow backpack cover.
This all works incredibly well to keep you safe on the roads, but some drivers seem almost more inclined to drive closely to you and cut you off. They're generally the ones that are well known in local groups though, repeat offenders.
If you're curious about my light+tape setup, I'd be happy to upload some images.
I agree about passing distance - it's more noticeable when I'm commuting (as the road is busier), but I get a really good passing distance when I'm using lights. I think the intensity of the light makes me seem larger than I actually am, so the driver passes wider. I don't use them in the summer though, and get regular close passes. Perhaps I should take heed of my own evidence....
They will think more like how they will overtake a Motorcycle/Moped when they see a light than just the reflectors.
z.browning, I have also been using daylight running lights (1st generation Bontrager Ion and Flare RT), I agree totally with you accessment that cars give cyclsit with lights a lot more space!
I work in emergency management and have been racing in cycling and bike commuting for over 30 years. The difference between a collision or non-collision in my opinion is seconds or tenths of seconds more time available to be seen by motorists, pedestrians or other cyclists. Daytime running lights can help give you that extra visibility advantage in marbled shade, in busy backgrounds or when a motorist only briefly glances left and right. Collisions can have many variables but if you can improve your visibility to all other road users, you are reducing one of major risks.
Do I use lights in daytime? Yes. Why not. And you don't need the fanciest, sorry Bontrager. Most quality lights have disruptive flash patterns and are newer lights are USB-cable recharging so you can easily recharge them without having to remove AAA batteries and trying to find your battery charger that your swore was in the middle drawer in your kitchen.
You have the opportunity to reduce your risks. Why not seize the opportunity?
That's very true, anything we can do to make the roads safer and be seen
Unfortunatelly, the use of flashing lights on bikes is illegal in Germany.
I lost a dear friend because he was not seen approaching in the daylight. Front light just as essential in my opinion.
I agree, My second day out on my bike a car pulled out right in front of me from a stop sign, luckily I was able to stop just in time.
The arguments against DRL are frankly ridiculous, modern motorcycles are fitted with always on lights for a very good reason....
I have been using daytime running lights (the older version of the Bontrager lights in this video in fact) for the past year and I must say that it has made me feel tremendously safer and more confident when riding long distances. I feel so much more visible, cars definitely notice me from much further away and those cars also give me more space when they pass. Daytime running lights are a definite game changer and I recommend them to everybody.
If it makes you feel safer then it's certainly worth it
i've been using daytime lights for a couple of years now and its an effective way of being seen
We think so!
Bright Clothing Helps As well,
@@Lasermanprint Indeed it does. My fluorescent bike apparel might make look a bit silly, but it's better to look silly and be seen than to look cool and risk being dead or injured.
I've been using a rear flashing light for a few years. Added a front flashing light last year after a driver exiting a lot looked right at me then pulled out in front of me. He realized what he had done upon hearing my reaction, stopped and apologized, and indicated that he hadn't noticed me. Anything to increase visibility is to the good, which is why I also wear fluorescent sun sleeves and socks as well.
I have lights and I never used them during the day. You have changed my mind on this. I'm sold. From now on I'm using them during the day. Thanks! Great video!
1:15 notice that? A little wave just to acknowledge a fellow cyclist. I’m fed up waving to cyclist and not even getting a simple nod. We all do the same sport!
I always give fellow cyclists the finger both hands! Welcome to Toronto!!!
I always have lights on, day and night. Flashing rear light always. Headlight; steady at night (so I can see,) flashing in the daytime so I can be seen.
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Same here
I use exactly same setup, especially here in Vancouver where it gets pretty dark in winter months.
great video. definitely sharing it on fb with my clubs. I am an advocate for lights all the time. I run on my bikes cygolite dash 460 in the front and see.sense on the back, I also try to wear colorful kits so its easier to spot me while cycling! great content guys!
Cheers Jorge! It all makes a difference.
Me too!
Physiologist here. Human visual systems are especially cued into features that change. Presumably they are more relevant for survival. More input into the superior coliculus and not just into the lateral geniculate nucleus for those of especially bio-geeky mindset. The flashes ensure that. I always ride with them when riding alone. Of course it would make you more visible to giant predatory flying dinosaurs. Fortunately that's not a problem where I live. Joking aside it is the flashing that matters and really small cheap lights are quite sufficient.
Welp, I just bought a set which do not flash (built by a German manufacturer and conform to German road laws) but not exactly helpful in this regard.
Thanks for sharing that Stuart, we'll have to get the PhD presenters on the bio-geeky stuff!
cerebellum
We are talking about daytime riding.
Neuroscience PhD here, and I concur with Stuart's statements. Especially the flying dinosaurs.
Human Factors psychologist here: While it is important that during daytime hours, flashing lights increase visibility, one should educate people about the downsights and issues during the night, e.g. decreased ability to perceive distance compared to a steady light source. One further factor which should be researched is how sensibility towards cyclist which don’t use flashing light decreases once people get used towards flashing lights.
When I'm riding on the roads I've always used my trusty Niterider headlight in flash mode and it has noticeably caught the attention of drivers approaching intersections from a cross street. They all pause when they see me. So I totally agree with all findings... and now want to check out these lights too! Great video, thanks.
I’ve used daytime running lights ever since I got knocked off almost 4 years ago. To me as a motorist as well as a cyclist seeing a flashing light attracts you attention.
I've been using daytime running lights for years. I currently have the Bontrager Ion/Flare 100 lights. I do think drivers are more likely to see you.
I only cycle in daylight for preference and I always use flashing front and rear lights all the time - feel a lot safer!
If you feel safer then it's certainly worth it
I am kitting out my recumbent trike and will definately be using daylight running lights. Just bought 2 Bontragers for front to accompany the Moon I already have. Thanks for the insight very useful
Glad to see a video on this. I am a huge proponent for flashing lights in the daytime. Good to see some science behind it, and even the best type of flashes and such. Well done guys!
Your video concerning bike lights as very good and helpful. I will definitely use daytime lights now when I can get them.
Great to hear Frankie!
I avoid riding at night and use DRLs always during the day. Car drivers in the US are too often looking at thier cell phones rather than the road. Anything to attract attention!
i think people that are glancing at the phones should be CHARGED as a DUI/DWI. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Ben Jones. I actually prefer riding at night because I can see the lights of an approaching car behind me, I then move as far over as is safe. I’ve had more close calls in the day light than night. I use DRL’s 50% of the time depending on the opportunity to recharge. I’ve always got a AAA powered flasher on the back of my helmet just Incase my main light dies. At night I run both.
Use whistle always
I love the idea of light on bikes at all times. I'm also glad that rechargeable lights are now commonplace and the most popular option. However, it is annoying that the batteries usually die within 6-8 hours of use. My biggest challenge is making sure I actually remember to charge all my devices. Just inside my back door I've set up a charging station with 3 micro USB plugs to charge my GPS unit, front light, and rear light/camera. I still don't always remember to plug everything in. The next step in safety is making sure it become a natural processes for users to implement it every time.
Would be good have an internal cabling just for powering (dynamo or battery) and charging all gear (light, bike computer and DI2) from one place. These Bontrager lights are really nice, but I miss a better connector that can be used for permanent cabling.
I have done the same thing, 3 plugs with micro USB cables so i can charge my rear lights, front light and Garmin at the same time.
Yep ; big fan of them ! Need them around Cornish roads
Another great video. Thanks guys. Love the color of your bike Ema.
Cheers! It's a pretty awesome colour on Emma's Trek!
Thanks for the video I am really pleased with your recommendation as I have just invested in a set of lights for my bike😀
Great stuff Suresh, what lights have you bought?
A pair of see sense ace. Delivery in Sept and it’s made in the UK😀
Hi any recommendations of it in India? Available in decathlon?
No idea I am from Australia.
Yes I use them in day time, especially in time trials .good video.👍
Glad you enjoyed this one Mark
So I've always wondered about cyclists vanity and the "I'm a wus if I use a light during the day" attitude. For gods sake... car manufacturers make cars that have lights on AUTOMATICALLY when the car is running! Why? BECAUSE IT'S SAFER! Why anyone on a puny little bike would take a chance of NOT being seen by a driver who say... is drunk, or tired, or on meds, or in a hurry, or on the phone, or talking to a passanger, or scratching their balls, or if just plain f'ing blind .... is beyond me. WAKE UP KUNCKLEHEADS! Use a light at all times. It's safer. Btw... I use them all the time in case you were wondering.
I totally agree with you. I didn't understand the vanity nonsense either. I want to be seen on the lanes of the road so if lights help drivers then I'm using them all day everyday. Being hit by a car is not nice!
Super important topic, thanks GCN folks. I've been thinking about adding bike lights, day or night, after few fellow cyclists got into nasty incidents. Noticed more and more riders are using lights recently, nothing bad in my opinion, just get yourself more visible. Side note, same or similar lights on a tri/TT bike should be no problem?
Thank you! VERY helpful and informative video!
Fluorescent jackets are very important too..as a driver and cyclist I tend to notice cyclists wearing high visibility jackets more
I've also been using daytime lights. Have been ever since I started cycling on the road again. Recently got new Trek bikes for wife and I and I was sure to outfit both with these lights!! I feel better knowing we can be seen in all conditions.
These lights are hell mush better than reflex! I must bye these and thanks Emma and Chris for enjoying safety video! GCN not only bike riding they save lives to!
Thanks Petinka! Safety first!
Great video. I'm going to try this out on my commute. Thanks.
i do use flashing lights in daytime but having seen this i need to upgrade. as always, GCN puts out great videos. thanks !
I was always in two minds about the advantages of using daytime running lights on my bike but after seeing this video I'm utterly convinced.
Always use my lights when out on the bike day or night. I’d even go so far to say low sun conditions can be worse than riding in the dark
That's true, when the sun is low it can be pretty blinding
Thankyou information
You're welcome
Where would get this type of light
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Awesome Video! Thank you for sharing!
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I've used flashing (pulsing) lights with an irregular pattern during the daytime front and back for several years. Many times I see recognition in a driver's face that they see me - and I'm sure the lights contributed to them recognizing my approach.
I also find the lights to be helpful when I my path falls under the shade of roadside trees or I ride through tunnels or underpasses in relative darkness. Drivers would not be able to see me in the relatively dark conditions otherwise.
Note, I've heard the Clemson study determined "pulsing" lights are better than "flashing" lights, but have not seen a universally accepted definition of pulse vs. flash.
Since I was hit from behind during daytime, I seriously considered mounting a flashing red light on my motorcycle. I am sure it will help to make me more visible and attract the attention of motorist coming from behind. I am constantly trying to make myself as seen as possible - but people are so ignorant of cyclist and motorbikes...sad but true. I like you video very much!! Thanks you for making it.
Absolutely, every time. I have the Bontrager Flare R, the bigger unit which is great - will look at getting one of those little Ion 200s for summer in NZ when I pack away my bigger front light. Like the connection with the Wahoo, that's useful.
Really liked this video. Great work to you both. Thx for the info.
Glad you enjoyed it David
I’ve been using daytime lights for years and high vis kit, maybe all those cyclists wearing all dark kit should do as well.
Good choice
A Great video. I use my lights during the day as well as at night as it helps in so many situations. Drivers notice me and change their behaviour (I've even had 2 that started pulling out in front of me, but when the corner of their eye caught the light they stopped) and other people using the cycle path (I use the one in this video the twins tunnels path) who are walking and in a world of their own, tend to wake up when the light reflects of something in front of them which is better for them and better for me.
Glad you enjoyed the video David
Flashing bike lights are illegal in many european countries. I.e. germany and the netherlands
Yes - another consideration to take into account in your local country.
Wow, that is really surprising, given the cycling-friendliness of those nations.
Robb Chastain No it would be illegal on cars too. It’s just dangerous to have flashing lights
Not at all surprising to me. Flashing lights are disorientating and also very, very annoying both to meet and to follow. Solid lights or nothing at all.
Gabri Has nobody noticed the emergency services driving illegally with flashing lights?
Thank you for your video. I enjoyed it and will be adding DLR lights to my bike.
Very useful video. Thank you.
I’ve always got my Garmin radar back light on. It’s great.
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Me too. I feel a lot safer being told of when cars are approaching from behind, before I can hear them. And less looking behind me means I can focus on the road ahead. Win-win. The only small caveat I've found is that cars that stalk you at the same speed as the bike don't show up.
What bike path did you use? Also is there any movement to allow bike to have blinking light. I live in a country that does not allow blinking lights. Also seeing the bike and recognizing there is a bike is a big difference. Lights greatly help this
Won't ride without lights. Been using Bontrager Flair R for years. Bright, exceptional battery life, recharges quickly. Also use Lezyne 1100XL macro drive (front) and Lezyne 180 micro drive (rear) lights when doing rides longer than 4 hours duration so I can switch from the first pair when they run low on power to a fresh pair of light. That means I've visible for up to 8 hours which covers most century rides for me. USB rechargeable lights are the only way to go.
As i understand, the battery in Flare R is not replaceable. This is not good...
My subjective opinion as a driver is that high vis clothing with reflective bits is more noticeable on cyclists than lights on their bikes or person, and I have been told that orange is the best colour to wear as it is the most unusual and disruptive in the environment. Unless I have missed this somewhere, would be interested to see some GCN analysis on the value of high vis. Ta!
Could certainly be one for the future, thanks Deborah
Hi Deborah, yes I think you are right. Following up on the statement that moving lights on a knee or ankle is 5+ times more visible. Surely high vis bands on a knee or ankle would have a similar effect, especially at night? I think the research regarding orange came from POC, the helmet and cycle/ski wear manufacturer. Ride on! Tim
It's all about contrast. Consider the area you are riding in. Orange usually contrasts to pretty much any backdrop, whether it's a green forest, a blue or gray sky, or a concrete jungle. Green, and to a lesser degree yellow, tend to blend into green backgrounds more, which often line the sides of the road we ride on. A very bright orange or very bright pink are going to stand out in the most scenarios.
Local Trek dealer HIGHLY SUGGESTED I get the Flair R as a rear light, or something similar, right away. He saw me riding the recumbent trike in the daytime and said I need to be more noticeable.
Bought the Flare R, then later the Ion R up front for the daytime running light modes. These are THE BEST attention getters. Not seen any other company provide a daytime running strobe like Bontrager, and it's the randomized pattern and that extra boost on the main flash that grabs attention.
Other companies give a cheap strobe that does not grab attention as much as it annoys drivers. Almost tried a Lezyne version as thought perhaps the Germans got it, but I have not tried theirs. Was not as well impressed.
I use the older Bontrager Flairs, in fact have two rear Flair R's. Although they do not adjust light intensity or anything, so I may have to bit the bullet and upgrade to RTs.
I rarely use them during the day - unless I'm in a lot of shade. But I do always use the irregular flash pattern.
I us the bontrager ion pro rt, two on the front, two on the rear. Sometimes I spend over 8hrs in the saddle, so with two I always got light, and if I want to run fast through the trails at night...I got two up front. Love em.
Great video topic and great video.
I don’t go anywhere without lights on my bike, no matter the time of day. In fact I have a day set and a night set, which are a mix of knog and Bontrager. Love they are all USB rechargeable easily attached and have multiple flash modes.
The only other thing I would have added about lights is that there are helmets now that easily accept small lights, and this keeps me seen from a higher level and above the height of most car roofs. There are a lot of distractions for drivers these days, and all of my close calls were from drivers not paying attention or being distracted (smartphone, map), or an oncoming driver not seeing me among the background when turning at an intersection. Lights hitting their mirrors from behind (parked cars included.) can help as well.
Stay safe out there riders. I really recommend the Bontrager lights, and while they were pricey, I consider them a form of insurance and wouldn’t buy anything except knog and Bontrager these days.
Glad you enjoyed this one and thanks for a great comment!
Idem ! Knogg and Bontrager 👍
I love guys you're the best
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This was very helpful, thanx.
We are much more easily seen by drivers especially whilst riding underneath tree cover with broken light coming through.
I never considered the effect of dappled lighting conditions on road visibility before. Sounds like a good idea!
Brilliant video! I've had DRLs on my bike since the start of the year, a real easy way to make rides safer. If i'm on the bike, the lights are on.
Well I always use a flashing rear light ( coincidently a Bontrager) ; then as conditions start to get duller and / overcast like going into winter I use a front light. Add with this for winter riding I have a set of full fingered gloves which are a flouro yellow colour.
Nice choice 👍
Most helpful. Thank you. I agree!
It’s really made me consider looking into these lights. Also, I’m a psychology student who’s interested in doing research, and I realized that this subject would much likely one that would be worth looking into in my future career.
I absolutely loved this video. I'm definitely getting some of them lights. Well done.👍👍👍👍👍
Awesome! Safe riding!
I've been using lights all the time for years. Great idea
So what you're saying is ideally we need to wrap ourselves in christmas lights?
You'd get a lot of attention for yourself, that's for sure!
Only on christmas eve!
On all other occasions such behaviour will be persecuted by the holy inquisition as heresy. Of course. And you knew it before posting your comment.
Yes all the time I am on the road day and night. Having a very bright on the front have made pedestrians and drivers look at me and gets their attention. I also have two red flashing lights, one set low left side near the axle and one just above my rear brakes on my Cevelo soloist. I feel it’s made a difference for me after years of riding without them!
How much do the lights in the video cost?
Around $50USD/light
andy54giddings where can I get them?
thanks
Either the Trek website or with any Trek Local Bike Store. The lights in this video were only released in July so might be a few weeks before they are widely available
andy54giddings what's the model name?
Great video. It's certainly turned me on to using lights in the daytime!!
Great stuff
All the time - every ride. It's especially helpful on busy roads where there are a lot of cars turning out to join traffic.
@GCN: What kind of front mount is that underneath the Wahoo? Seems like a mount that could fit under a K-edge. Pretty aero.
Hi guys! Following a great review of the Bontrager Flare, I’ve been using one mounted to my seat post as a daytime running light for a couple of months. It’s bright, decent battery life and best of all it’s “light”.. a light light.. adds a little bit more confidence when training or on a commute.. 😁
In Thailand I always have my motorbike lights on during the day, I'll do the same for my road bike. Good reminder video
Why not have the day time lights , I think it’s a great idea with nearly all Lycra used is black. It’s got to help ....right👍🏻
I started using a daytime back light a year ago and right away noticed vehicles giving me more space when they passed me. I don’t know if it was because they saw me sooner or I gained more respect.
I run a Bontrager flare r for a rear light and alternate between a Bontrager ion 350 r or 800 r for daytime running lights while commuting or recreational riding. I am a firm believer in daytime running lights in that they earn you more respect and visibility on the road. Keep in mind that not all lights serve the purpose of being good daytime lights. The flare r and the new flare rt are designed around daytime visibility and are noticeably better in the day than others. In this “game” I think it is critical to try to put the odds in your favour as much as possible and daytime lights are something that helps your odds.
We feel the same, anything that can help a cyclist be seen can only be a good thing
Somehow GCN gave read my mind again. Was just talking to someone in the lbs about these lights for daytime running.
Hope you found the video helpful!
I'm all for daytime lights. I currently use the first gen Flare R and Ion 800 and absolutely love them. I like to call them "car repellant" as as soon as you turn both on where I live in Montreal, drivers instantly give you space and that goes for the trucks and busses too. I also do the Bio-Motion thing where I use brightly coloured socks so help drivers see me.
Nice stuff! What colour socks do you go for?
Anything brightly coloured like high viz yellow, blue and orange. Bontrager has nice lineup of socks like these.
I use the Exposure Flares (F&R) with the day bright setting and motorists seem more likely to slow up and give me a little bit extra room when approaching and passing... which is nice
I use the Cygolite 150 and I've had motorists pull up beside me and astonishingly ask, "What kind of light is that???" - I'd say it's pretty visible and at a significantly lower cost than the Bontrager.
As a Dutchie, grown up the country with the most bike-paths in the world, i couldn't really be bothered to have lights on my bike. When out riding on my road bike in Holland i have never used bike lights. 3 years ago i moved to Australia and now i never go out riding without lights on my bike; i genuinely feel unsafe without lights. Night or day. Really nice video !! One thing; Although Holland has lots more bike paths than Australia, the main reason why i feel unsafe is that Australian drivers have absolutely no respect for cyclists. The road rage is of a unbelievable and unimaginable level. there is no "sharing the road". The lack of respect is my main reason for feeling unsafe and im not convinced you can solve that with a bike light. (Yes, im a big fan of using bike lights )
Personally if I were you I would've stayed in Holland / the Netherlands. I was born in this shit hole called the USA in the most populous city (considered to be the most 'bike friendly' in the country of all of the big / capital cities, which is a joke) and if I had the proper resources and the proper situation I'd move and denounce and remove my US naturalized citizenship.
Cyclists here are openly or subconsciously discriminated against by the cops, peds, and motorists. God forbid you're a person of color and you drive a bike, the effect compounds racism on top of that. That's not to mention all of the everyday American non-cycling / non-race related bullshit like the politics, lack of proper healthcare, lack of proper education, lack of non-for profit rehabilitation centers / prisons, police, lack of fucking common sense, etc.
But while I'm here, I run lights and run a GoPro day and night whenever I go drive my bicycle (or any kind of vehicle) anywhere. Appears to help but nothing short of WatchDogs enforcement will stop peds, cyclists, or motorists that refuse to be decent by any definition of the word.
I used to use lights in the daytime but got sick and tired of pedestrians telling me my lights were on.
Haha, now that's an issue we hadn't thought about!
Where you using flashing lights, or solid lights? I am going to guess solid light on all the time?
Tower Runner flashing lights.
Where do you live? Here in NYC no one complains about my daytime running lights and instead do what they were designed to do -- give me a chance at being noticeable instead of 200% invisible. The local CitiBikes using all day and night running dynamo powered lights might have something to do with it being acceptable though.
However even if it weren't acceptable I wouldn't give a fuck. I run with a 'car horn' on all of my bikes as well which has helped me plenty over a bell and I'll perform whatever maneuvers necessary (that non-cyclists don't understand at all) to keep myself safe.
P.S: A bell I use only for 'polite overtakes / passes' of peds and other cyclists which are visibly NOT wearing any audio device over / in the ears, which has become uncommon if not rare, which forces me to use the horn if they put themselves in a situation / obstacle that makes it dangerous / risky for me.
I noticed you had a mount on your handlebar which held the front light - do you mind responding who makes it - thanks
On the road? Absolutely! … along with bright clothing and some "distance wobble" (see a vehicle well back in your rear view add a bit of movement to your line)
Super important video. ✅✅✅🙏
I now use lights all year. The main reason for using them on sunny days Is really for when I’m riding through shaded or dappled light areas where a motorist eyes may need time to adjust to the change in light conditions.
Completely convinced.
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Love to own a pair of these but I’m struggling to find them in the uk. Where did gcn get them from please?
Thank you
1:49 Quick tell that kid to get daytime running lights!
It is disappointing to see GCN release a video recommending the use of daytime running lights without simultaneously discussing the etiquette of using such lights on group rides. Perhaps another video could be devoted to this?
While they used to be fairly rare, daytime flashing lights have become prevalent on many group rides, at least here in the US. While these lights may reduce accident rates by 20% for solo cyclists, safety enhancements are quickly lost with many lights on group rides. First, a paceline of cyclists is already much more visible than a single cyclist. Second, of all the lights that might be in the line, only the one at the rear is consistently visible to approaching motorists. All the rest are flashing in the faces of riders who have more important demands on their attention and peripheral vision. Many of these lights are mounted incorrectly or even positioned on seatstays so that those lumens which are designed to be seen a kilometer away are now scorching retinas and inducing seizures at the scant remove of three feet.
Please, GCN, do a companion video on turning off daytime flashers to keep group rides from turning into rolling video arcades. At the very least, you could suggest that anyone who feels compelled to use their daytime flashers remain at the back of the group so their light is visible to motorists.
If I am on a fast group ride with people using flashing lights, I either try to never ride behind them, hard in a pace line, or just go off and ride alone. If a driver doesn't react to ten riders on the road, chances are pretty good that they won't react to the light either.
I don't agree with most of what you're saying, except for the aiming from the seat stay. If the light is a good focused like these Bontrager's, and it's mounted correctly to face back at 90deg. then it should be okay. When I see lights in that condition it's not been a bother at all. Yes I see them but they're not flashing in my eye.
I am surprised you aren't distracted by lights that command attention a quarter of a mile away when those lights are only 3 feet away, either in your direct line of sight, or in your peripheral vision.
As I said before, when they're aimed right and focused well like the Flare R, it's not a big issue. I ride in groups of 10 or more all with lights going and while I know they're there, it's not become a distraction. Part of it of course is most ppl are too cheap to buy a decent light so they're barely visible to begin with.
I'm currently on the lookout for a good front light to attach to my aero bar. I use this bike for commuting so it should really do it's job well and - as I said - tightly fit onto my flat aero bars. Any recommendations?
I was at a club TT yesterday and I was impressed by how noticeable daytime lights were. They make sense when riding solo but perhaps no so suitable for group rides. But you would hope to be visible in other ways in that situation.
That's true, when you are out on your own you are less likely to be seen than a big group of cyclists
Never done a single ride where I haven't gone through a dark wooded area, lights on alllll the time!
Even on a sunny day it can become pretty dark in a shady patch!
I've been cycling for more than 30 years and in this time I have always kitted my bikes with the latest technology available (going back to the original Cat Eye with 6v globe and 2xC Batteries) in head lights and tail lights unless I'm racing. If one is a road user then it is a no brainier to set yourself up to the nearest standards of a motor vehicle. Safety first, looks second. Every time I buy a new bike it gets setup at the same time with head lights and taillights. I also find if you tuck a rear flashing light in behind the drops (U-Bend) "behind the brake levers" it increases your width from behind and you then have double rear flashing lights. Just be aware you cannot use that brake lever to easily in the low down drop position. So left side paving (GB) then right side of handle bars, and ride side paving (FR) left side of handle bars.
The more lights, the merrier.
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why can I imagine you just running led strip lights running down the frame of your bike
I disagree! I find it very confusing when cyclist run multiple lights front and rear. Not only can I NOT identify what I’m seeing but I also find it difficult to rangefind / judge distance to target.
One or two rear max. One good light front.
I’m just worried that NOT having a DTRL will just become another excuse that drivers will use when they hit someone.
Also these things are DAMNED annoying on bike trails. My eyes!!! Also the make hard to see other cyclists on bike trails, particularly in the shade.
Ever since I read about the research, a couple of years ago, I've run rear lights, day or night, without fail. Have been running daytime lights for over a year now too.
I work in the Australian mining industry, and all vehicles are lit up like Christmas trees, for a very good reason, visibility.
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Always have lights on my bike. Flashing when possible. No accidents so far in a couple of thousand miles mostly commuting around a city. But of course it's all part of an arsenal of bright clothing, bells, and riding safe.
Very true Adam, the lights make a difference but so does the other factors you have mentioned
Okay, in about 100,000 k over the past six years I haven't had one accident while riding without lights.
Chris Opie could have been a Blue Peter presenter. Kudos on the expressiveness dude.
always use lights on my rides , front is a lezyne 500 xl and a bonrager back light , use flashing mode with both , as a rulr my rides can be 1 hour to 11 hours on long ones , both stand up to the time used , with the lezyne what i like is there is a flashing mode that is like a strobe which i use in heavy traffic through towns or cities it gets the attention of drivers ,do not like to be without them, for weight couple extra grams does not make that much of a difference , safety first
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Are you aware of any bontrager straps long enough for mounting the rear light to aero seatpost? (Canyon Aeroad) cheers!