this is the legendary Billy Robinson?! holy shit! I know he was probably around 70 or something with a cane and all,but he could still kick ass! R.I.P. Mr. Robinson.
Catch wrestling is pretty much kryptonite for anything. Wrestlers with submission skills have dominated MMA for the past 25 years. Even now 7 out of 8 UFC champion comes from a wrestling background.
Deiverson figueiredo- Bjj Sterling -Bjj Volka -Rugby Islam - Sambo Leon Edwards - Kickboxing Alex Pereira - Kickboxing Jiri- Muay Thay Francis Nganou - Boxing Maybe 3 years ago you were right😂
@@ivancorreia602 Dude, what are you talking about? Gigueiredo, Sterling, Volkanovski and Islam all started their martial arts in wrestling. E.g. Volkanovski was national wrestling champion before transitioning to rugby. You really should read their bio before commenting. The other 4 champs are strikers though.
@@kallepikku4991 either way, the man is showing unbelievable ignorance. What is Sambo? Sambo is a mix of Catch Wrestling and Judo. And in MMA it’s no-gi and therefore a lot more Catch than Judo. And as far as most of the strikers on this list goes, they’re lucky to have avoided good submission wrestlers.
I like how the interviewer immediately called bullshit on the "strength is nothing" myth in grappling. The truth is when you roll, the stronger you are the sloppier your techniques can be and you still win. Strength is usually only overcome with a large technical advantage, whereas a small strength advantage will produce the same result
Patrick Boebel a smaller guy also has to be tough to take the pressure that is going to be put on him and he needs a game plan centered around beating bigger men. We can see with Marcelo Garcia that smaller guys can beat bigger guys but then again there were no heavy weights that were close to Garcia in his prime.
I’d say it depends on the level. At high level strength means a lot since technique can only get so perfect. At lower and mid levels technique changes a lot. Then again if someone is stronger than you, you could be way more creative and kind of render the strength useless since they will waste it on the wrong movement.
It's important for sure. Strength is important. But, at some point, either can become irrelevant. If you are grappling an MG, idc how much you weigh, if you don't train and aren't high level, you lose. On the other hand, if I'm fighting a gorilla, all the technique on the world won't save me. ON THE OTHER OTHER HAND, small weak humans keep gorillas locked up in cages, hunt them, even eat them...
There’s all ready a guy like that who’s small but his cardio and technique are superior to his larger opponents! Curran Jacobs the current world Catch champions
My dad always said you don't have to be the biggest, strongest, and fastest to win the day...but it sure as hell dont hurt!...about as true as it gets.
My family lives in the North of England, about 20 miles West of Wigan. My brother worked in Wigan at a McDonalds in the 80s and I remember him telling about how "hard" the Wigan lads were. We had notorious soccer hooligan gangs at the time and my brother used to say that some 16 year olds from Wigan would sort them out no problem. The other thing that makes me laugh is the fact that in 1975 I was learning Judo at the Red Triangle club in Southport and enjoying the freestyle rough housing before the class much more than the actual judo. If only Billy Riley had been more of a marketing man, we had our own martial art just up the road.
I've been umming and arring about visiting the dog pit in Ainsdale on a Thursday to train (I'm 37 and wake up with a new ache every day). I was working in furniture removals and I met "The Mighty Atom" and he told me about The Dog Pit, he's still training people there now.
Good for you!!! Tell them your friends at DamageControlMMA said hello. You're going to have a great time. And trust me, Coach Robinson will Catch and correct even the smallest mistake. Thank you for supporting our friends!
Dont think of styles as separate try to find the common principles the name means nothing but the mechanics and principles are everything you'll learn a lot quicker
It's always guys that aren't physically strong that undermine strength. It ALL matters. If you lacking in any one area, you will be exposed. Technique matters, stamina matters, strength most definitely matters, speed matters, timing matters, relaxing matters, etc..etc..etc....it all matters when your going against top caliber competition.
wish I was around more to see what's up..... Sorry for the lose of such a great man and coach. RIP Billy Robinson. That is the fun thing about wrestling. It is all about position, handles, and pure good Teq
MMA has catch wrestlers like Saku and Josh Barnett keeping the art alive in legitimate competition, and pro wrestler Davey Boy Smith Jr keeps the Wigan style relevant
@@dannyhipolito817 I really wish that it would be popularize again, cause Catch wrestling is your foundation you'd be a beast in any other grappling art like BJJ.
Robinson is a Master at his system of fighting, I wish I had learned Boxing & CACC first it would of made me a better fighter as well as better at the Judo & JJ fighting systems - in England we have forgotten that we have a great history of fighting systems - Boxing is greatly known of course but CACC I have only learned about recently through interest in the Bare knuckle boxing days when the JJJ fighters like Maeda who also helped Gracies start BJJ Pankration MMA & Talhoffer western MA is back
This tall guy with shaved head, has he ever sparred even in practice. I have never seen any of that from him. He just shows technique and has knowledge. He might be the guy who also is the biggest spoke person for Catch.
@Richdanahuff I've trained with them both in Salt Lake - he's for real (and has the most powerful Figure-4 Body Lock I've ever experienced... Jaysus...)... read his life story... he survived a broken neck at a young age... among other things....
@kaindrg, it got knocked out in an MMA fight against Adam Faulkner. You can see the ending of the fight in our youtube video "MMA NHB Thai Boxing Utah II "
Plus in the old days catch/pro wrestlers competed and learned from judokas. Or how one of the father of bjj was PRO/catch wrestler maeda matsuma. Remembered pro wrestling evolved from catch wrestling and is a STAGED form of catch. And bjj actually evolved from judo. And catch wrestlers and judokas learned from each other in the old days.
@DuaneLila There all like that in wigan where hes from, leigh's the same town down the road i train with catch lads there. There serious submission artists.
Apples and oranges - you only apply these AFTER getting in close. Billy boxed too, so it is highly unlikely you will find him ignorant of the pugilistic fine points
please some one upload some cacc guys wrestling and im not talking about a pro fight im talking about just a normal class of guys having a wrestle, rolling ect. cacc vs cacc i want to see how it is so different
@yoshiofdeath I can see Jake can wrestle and understand his background. I wrestled and still grapple I have seen few wrestlers without the bullnecks. I just think its funny how skinny it is given what he can do. Muscle size does not account for strength of tendons etc....
Yea, but punches to the face remain the main way of winning a fight in the ufc and on the street. Wrestling beats boxing, but the wrestler who can box beats the wrestler who can't.
Catch wrestling is pretty much kryptonite for everything. Wrestlers with submission skills have dominated MMA for the past 25 years. Even now 7 out of 8 UFC champion comes from a wrestling background.
I personally don't think there is a dominate wrestling style. Since everyone likes to argue. Catch wrestling vs bjj vs judo. That's right I said judo. Nobody talks about it yet Rhonda Rousey destroys people with it.
angel666 I don't see that at all. Certainly there is a push for more BJJ masters. Just cause of popularity. BJJ's main advantage is newer gi techniques otherwise it's the same. Judo and catch wrestling have actually benefited from being sports. Cause pins will tire out someone who wants to be on the bottom. Sports might of also have led to some bad habits as well. Especially if your not fully sparing. It was free style and greco roman guys that were the first to beat bjj guys. They resorted to brute force. As they could obtain dominate position and defend themselves. The answer was ground and pound. BJJ guys had to adapt and not be so limited. Typically if you fight in the octogon with one style, its not gonna help you. But other than that it comes down to the practitioner.
*BJJ is a version of Judo.* Jujitsu the original is where Judo came and started out from. Jujitsu is 17th century while Judo wasn't developed until the 18th Century.
a snap down like your e shaking your hands from water, you have to be strong with it and as well until they let go they can't do anything so keep your defense ready for anything
a snap down like your e shaking your hands from water, you have to be strong with it and as well until they let go they can't do anything so keep your defense ready for anything
a snap down like your e shaking your hands from water, you have to be strong with it and as well until they let go they can't do anything so keep your defense ready for anything
here is a list of ufc fighters with bjj black belts. Miguel Torres,Raphael Assuncao,Jose Aldo,Kenny Florian,Rani Yahya,Diego Nunes,Javier Vasquez, Hatsu Hioki,Antonio Carvalho, Nam Phan,Yuri Alcantara,Gleison Tibau,Jim Miller,Thiago Tavares, George Sotiropoulos,Mark Bocek,Evan Dunham,Rafael Dos Anjos, Rafaello Oliveira,Vagner Rocha,BJ Penn,Jon Fitch,Georges St-Pierre,Paulo Thiago,Matt Serra,Jake Shields,Nick Diaz,Carlos Rocha,Erick Silva,Anderson Silva,Demian Maia,
i still dont get it because i look for those moves when in turtle or someone is on my back. please show me footage of cacc guys wrestling not pro fighters. just armature guys in the gym so i can see the difference. it just seems catch has no guard game, but bjj has top and bottom. take down, guard passing, submissions, escapes, turn overs and sweeps. bjj doesnt neck crank but i want to see the live footage where amature cacc guys do.
How many times in ADCC,BJJ guys lost to like of: Frank Trigs(bit JJ MACHADOS) ;MARK KERR bit MARIO SPERRY and RIGAN MACHADO; In UFC: MATT HUGHS bit Royce Gracie ;All because of Superior Game of CLINCH and TAKEDOWN! All these wrestlers are proud of their background of FOLK WRESTLING(another name for CATCH) not just their Conventional wrestling.Go read and learn,NEW COMER
England, has forgotten its wrestling heratige. Along with all the other heritage and culture that's been lost or destroyed. Tradition is a silly word in the UK, people will laugh at you and will. often laugh at their own traditions.
I still cant believe this legend is gone. I hope his legacy lives on.
R.I.P. GRANDMASTER
Iron Fist Gym - Maysville, KY. Alive and well.
this is the legendary Billy Robinson?! holy shit! I know he was probably around 70 or something with a cane and all,but he could still kick ass! R.I.P. Mr. Robinson.
Catch wrestling is pretty much kryptonite for anything. Wrestlers with submission skills have dominated MMA for the past 25 years. Even now 7 out of 8 UFC champion comes from a wrestling background.
Deiverson figueiredo- Bjj
Sterling -Bjj
Volka -Rugby
Islam - Sambo
Leon Edwards - Kickboxing
Alex Pereira - Kickboxing
Jiri- Muay Thay
Francis Nganou - Boxing
Maybe 3 years ago you were right😂
@@ivancorreia602 Dude, what are you talking about? Gigueiredo, Sterling, Volkanovski and Islam all started their martial arts in wrestling. E.g. Volkanovski was national wrestling champion before transitioning to rugby. You really should read their bio before commenting.
The other 4 champs are strikers though.
@@kallepikku4991 either way, the man is showing unbelievable ignorance. What is Sambo? Sambo is a mix of Catch Wrestling and Judo. And in MMA it’s no-gi and therefore a lot more Catch than Judo.
And as far as most of the strikers on this list goes, they’re lucky to have avoided good submission wrestlers.
Curtis blaydes:
@@ivancorreia602
That old man has the voice of a legend.
those arent wrists theyre heavy duty steel grade adjustable wrenches that are designed to break Your ARM in half,
Thank you guys for this video R.I.P Billy Robinson
I appreciate all those keeping CACC knowledge alive. So awesome
Always a pleasure seeing Billys demonstration videos
Pamugay!
Our respect and admiration to this institution in Catch Wrestling. R.I.P.
Honestly such a brilliant art to add to any combination of martial arts from escrima to bjj
I like how the interviewer immediately called bullshit on the "strength is nothing" myth in grappling. The truth is when you roll, the stronger you are the sloppier your techniques can be and you still win. Strength is usually only overcome with a large technical advantage, whereas a small strength advantage will produce the same result
Patrick Boebel a smaller guy also has to be tough to take the pressure that is going to be put on him and he needs a game plan centered around beating bigger men.
We can see with Marcelo Garcia that smaller guys can beat bigger guys but then again there were no heavy weights that were close to Garcia in his prime.
I’d say it depends on the level. At high level strength means a lot since technique can only get so perfect. At lower and mid levels technique changes a lot. Then again if someone is stronger than you, you could be way more creative and kind of render the strength useless since they will waste it on the wrong movement.
It's important for sure. Strength is important. But, at some point, either can become irrelevant. If you are grappling an MG, idc how much you weigh, if you don't train and aren't high level, you lose. On the other hand, if I'm fighting a gorilla, all the technique on the world won't save me. ON THE OTHER OTHER HAND, small weak humans keep gorillas locked up in cages, hunt them, even eat them...
There’s all ready a guy like that who’s small but his cardio and technique are superior to his larger opponents! Curran Jacobs the current world Catch champions
My dad always said you don't have to be the biggest, strongest, and fastest to win the day...but it sure as hell dont hurt!...about as true as it gets.
honestly as a BJJ practitioner, i admire how even the best CACC wrestlers understand the importance of leverage.
My family lives in the North of England, about 20 miles West of Wigan. My brother worked in Wigan at a McDonalds in the 80s and I remember him telling about how "hard" the Wigan lads were. We had notorious soccer hooligan gangs at the time and my brother used to say that some 16 year olds from Wigan would sort them out no problem. The other thing that makes me laugh is the fact that in 1975 I was learning Judo at the Red Triangle club in Southport and enjoying the freestyle rough housing before the class much more than the actual judo. If only Billy Riley had been more of a marketing man, we had our own martial art just up the road.
you ever been to Paddy Durkin's?
I've been umming and arring about visiting the dog pit in Ainsdale on a Thursday to train (I'm 37 and wake up with a new ache every day).
I was working in furniture removals and I met "The Mighty Atom" and he told me about The Dog Pit, he's still training people there now.
That's great! Thanks for posting this guys!
Eric Paulson is a great continuation of this knowledge
This was much better than I expected it to be
Thanks so much for uploading!!!
What a legend! Rest In Peace grande!
I love watching this videos.
Good for you!!! Tell them your friends at DamageControlMMA said hello. You're going to have a great time. And trust me, Coach Robinson will Catch and correct even the smallest mistake. Thank you for supporting our friends!
Legend no other way to describe him
very informative thank you so much for for posting
Thanks for sharing i love Utube so many differant martial artist sharting their knoledge..
Catch vids have helped my Jiu Jitsu alot
Billy Robinson makes this stuff look so effortless. He could have your legs behind your head by the time you finish blinking.
Awesome grip advice!
What a wonderful man. A great teacher and a thorough gentleman, but not the kind of guy you would ever want to cross!
Billy Robinson has huge freakin hands! The other guy looks like a light bulb!
Billy Robinson is a legend.
literally the lightbulb went off in my head at 2:00 😲💡
Dont think of styles as separate try to find the common principles the name means nothing but the mechanics and principles are everything you'll learn a lot quicker
blackdynamite barnes Spoken like a man who's been around the block a few times.
i been in martial art since i was 4 i am 31 now from karate-do,wrestling,MCMAP,Brazilian jujitsu,judo,boxing,muay thai and it goes on so short yeah
He is GOOOOD good luck Billy.
Luv this
The hands on that man!!
The pastor of my old church had fingers that were atleast 1½" wide, dutch blood
awesome awesome stuff
amazing
i do gracie bjj but catch wrestling is awesome n would like to learn some just wish there was more gyms that tought it
Superb
Legend
I have all of Billy's DVDs
It's always guys that aren't physically strong that undermine strength. It ALL matters. If you lacking in any one area, you will be exposed. Technique matters, stamina matters, strength most definitely matters, speed matters, timing matters, relaxing matters, etc..etc..etc....it all matters when your going against top caliber competition.
Where did you get that AWESOME shooto shirt???
@mrexcrete roy wood and jack mountford teach around manchester and bolton,both trained for decades in catch.Darren morris around that area too.
Don't forget Shane Rigby 😜
He’s really quite gentle considering
People don't understand how important this is
I am gonna do this on my friends
whoa i got those same shorts!
Hi Jake!
wish I was around more to see what's up..... Sorry for the lose of such a great man and coach. RIP Billy Robinson.
That is the fun thing about wrestling. It is all about position, handles, and pure good Teq
@1lostinspace Billy Robinson: Been there done that
Nice
Cool stuff. Definitely a lost art.
MMA has catch wrestlers like Saku and Josh Barnett keeping the art alive in legitimate competition, and pro wrestler Davey Boy Smith Jr keeps the Wigan style relevant
@@dannyhipolito817 I really wish that it would be popularize again, cause Catch wrestling is your foundation you'd be a beast in any other grappling art like BJJ.
R.I.P. Billy..
@yoshiofdeath I'm a student of the art of CACC.
This old guy can kick some ass still. I say he takes on Epic Beard Man.
Good way to take the back
@TakingItToTheMMAT do u guys have any shooto vids>?
Somebody please show me this "pump handle" arm drag being used in a competitive match. I'm skeptical, but would like to see it in action.
Robinson is a Master at his system of fighting, I wish I had learned Boxing & CACC first it would of made me a better fighter as well as better at the Judo & JJ fighting systems - in England we have forgotten that we have a great history of fighting systems - Boxing is greatly known of course but CACC I have only learned about recently through interest in the Bare knuckle boxing days when the JJJ fighters like Maeda who also helped Gracies start BJJ Pankration MMA & Talhoffer western MA is back
This tall guy with shaved head, has he ever sparred even in practice. I have never seen any of that from him. He just shows technique and has knowledge. He might be the guy who also is the biggest spoke person for Catch.
@Richdanahuff I've trained with them both in Salt Lake - he's for real (and has the most powerful Figure-4 Body Lock I've ever experienced... Jaysus...)... read his life story... he survived a broken neck at a young age... among other things....
@kaindrg, it got knocked out in an MMA fight against Adam Faulkner. You can see the ending of the fight in our youtube video "MMA NHB Thai Boxing Utah II "
It's funny how so many martial arts moves are independently universal, I learned this exact stuff in Korean hapkido a few years back
Plus in the old days catch/pro wrestlers competed and learned from judokas. Or how one of the father of bjj was PRO/catch wrestler maeda matsuma. Remembered pro wrestling evolved from catch wrestling and is a STAGED form of catch. And bjj actually evolved from judo. And catch wrestlers and judokas learned from each other in the old days.
The former apprentice to Billy Robinson in this video Jake Shannon was a pro wrestler. So was Billy Robinson.
Were all human, legs arms and necks only bend so many ways no matter where youre from
@DuaneLila There all like that in wigan where hes from, leigh's the same town down the road i train with catch lads there. There serious submission artists.
Beautiful this is so effective reminds me of my tomiki AIKIDO classes.. very effective
Is that Paddy Pimblit
When you "slap it on" you could leave your leg between his, and go for a judo throw.
what kind of arm lock was that? at 4:35?
he remindds me of transformers lol the big airplane british decepticon dude
I would love to have seen some young person try to physically intimidate an elderly Billy Robinson. Movie script idea
Apples and oranges - you only apply these AFTER getting in close. Billy boxed too, so it is highly unlikely you will find him ignorant of the pugilistic fine points
i just dont get it. what do cacc guys do if there on the bottom? do they just give up?
I have a hard time understanding what Mr. Robinson calls this technique at 4:46. Can anyone make out what he's saying? It almost sounds like "Alpine".
lol the guy in the middle looks like a mix between benny the jet and siegfried from siegfried and roy
O senhor parece com meu amigo que tem um comércio seu pasquin
Catch wrestling is the alpha version of MMA
please some one upload some cacc guys wrestling and im not talking about a pro fight im talking about just a normal class of guys having a wrestle, rolling ect. cacc vs cacc i want to see how it is so different
@yoshiofdeath I can see Jake can wrestle and understand his background. I wrestled and still grapple I have seen few wrestlers without the bullnecks. I just think its funny how skinny it is given what he can do. Muscle size does not account for strength of tendons etc....
He can't Wrestle for shit! When Ian Bromley challenged him he cowered like the scare bitch he is!
R.I.P. Coach Robinson
Hes a wigan lad there all limke that hard guys easy going but gain for a fight.
To people saying you'd get punched: In real time Billy Robinson executes these moves in a split second, you wouldn't be landing any punches on him.
what happened to his tooth?
I.d stick with Catch. Scientifically backed with principles to high percentage holds, locks, and such.
watch james toney fight randy couture if you think a boxer can do anything to an experienced grappler. wrestling is boxing's kryptonite.
Yea, but punches to the face remain the main way of winning a fight in the ufc and on the street. Wrestling beats boxing, but the wrestler who can box beats the wrestler who can't.
Catch wrestling is pretty much kryptonite for everything. Wrestlers with submission skills have dominated MMA for the past 25 years. Even now 7 out of 8 UFC champion comes from a wrestling background.
Aggressive style is catch, gentle style is bjj. Does that mean judo is the balance style?
Genuinely thought jake Shannon was a BOB punchbag 😂😂
I personally don't think there is a dominate wrestling style. Since everyone likes to argue. Catch wrestling vs bjj vs judo. That's right I said judo. Nobody talks about it yet Rhonda Rousey destroys people with it.
BJJ is a version of Judo.
It's essentially Newaza
angel666 I don't see that at all. Certainly there is a push for more BJJ masters. Just cause of popularity. BJJ's main advantage is newer gi techniques otherwise it's the same. Judo and catch wrestling have actually benefited from being sports. Cause pins will tire out someone who wants to be on the bottom. Sports might of also have led to some bad habits as well. Especially if your not fully sparing. It was free style and greco roman guys that were the first to beat bjj guys. They resorted to brute force. As they could obtain dominate position and defend themselves. The answer was ground and pound. BJJ guys had to adapt and not be so limited. Typically if you fight in the octogon with one style, its not gonna help you. But other than that it comes down to the practitioner.
*BJJ is a version of Judo.*
Jujitsu the original is where Judo came and started out from. Jujitsu is 17th century while Judo wasn't developed until the 18th Century.
And BJJ only developed after a judoka - Mitsuyo Maeda - went to Brazil and taught judo there.
im not hating on cacc i watch the vids because there is some good info but as a total system bjj has proved its self over and over again not twice.
@kevined92 Yeah he looks like a wrestler as well Jake SHannon has the skinniest neck in grappling which is unusual for real wrestlers
how to set free, if the oponent grip both wrists
+Erick Marquez headbutt
a snap down like your e shaking your hands from water, you have to be strong with it and as well until they let go they can't do anything so keep your defense ready for anything
a snap down like your e shaking your hands from water, you have to be strong with it and as well until they let go they can't do anything so keep your defense ready for anything
a snap down like your e shaking your hands from water, you have to be strong with it and as well until they let go they can't do anything so keep your defense ready for anything
In wrestling you grab one of their hands with both of yours. In a street fighter headbutt definitely work.
did he not have a mouth guard???
True,but Escapes and guard were problems and are solved now,by Ceccine and Iaskevitch.
Bucky Larson MMA
here is a list of ufc fighters with bjj black belts. Miguel Torres,Raphael Assuncao,Jose Aldo,Kenny Florian,Rani Yahya,Diego Nunes,Javier Vasquez, Hatsu Hioki,Antonio Carvalho, Nam Phan,Yuri Alcantara,Gleison Tibau,Jim Miller,Thiago Tavares,
George Sotiropoulos,Mark Bocek,Evan Dunham,Rafael Dos Anjos,
Rafaello Oliveira,Vagner Rocha,BJ Penn,Jon Fitch,Georges St-Pierre,Paulo Thiago,Matt Serra,Jake Shields,Nick Diaz,Carlos Rocha,Erick Silva,Anderson Silva,Demian Maia,
LOL
Bjj or cacc
i still dont get it because i look for those moves when in turtle or someone is on my back. please show me footage of cacc guys wrestling not pro fighters. just armature guys in the gym so i can see the difference. it just seems catch has no guard game, but bjj has top and bottom. take down, guard passing, submissions, escapes, turn overs and sweeps. bjj doesnt neck crank but i want to see the live footage where amature cacc guys do.
Catch wrestling dominates bjj it's been proven.
It's all about bullying your opponent into submission
Josh Barnett vs Dean Lister Jr. CACC wins.
Adam Rowley Gordon Ryan vs josh Barnett bjj wins
How many times in ADCC,BJJ guys lost to like of: Frank Trigs(bit JJ MACHADOS) ;MARK KERR bit MARIO SPERRY and RIGAN MACHADO; In UFC: MATT HUGHS bit Royce Gracie ;All because of Superior Game of CLINCH and TAKEDOWN! All these wrestlers are proud of their background of FOLK WRESTLING(another name for CATCH) not just their Conventional wrestling.Go read and learn,NEW COMER
There has never been a catch champion at adcc. Bjj has been proven to be more effective
Interesting take on the arm drag and completely wrong way to complex for such a simple yet effective move
England, has forgotten its wrestling heratige. Along with all the other heritage and culture that's been lost or destroyed. Tradition is a silly word in the UK, people will laugh at you and will. often laugh at their own traditions.